100% It's lame comparing brand new tyres with worn ones (and they did look absolutely fooked), the new ones are always going to be optimum. Also, MPSS are known for not being quite as good in the wet/cold, but are better in warm/dry. Also, the review would hold more weight if both tyres were not only brand new, but also the same width ! Wider tyres are going to be grippier, it's not rocket science.
Did you realise when you went up a width that the profile (side wall depth) also increased, making the Spedo slightly out of calibration and increased the circumference. This will also affect the handling. Normally if you go up a width you must go down a profile to compensate.
PS4S have for sure better grip in cold and wet condition: But PSS in hot or dry condition is still the more sporty, more direct tyre with more steering feedback
Put PS4S on my '18 Golf R (Stage 1 APR, Bilstien B16 suspension), did not like them for this car and for the intended purpose. Sent them back to Tire Rack in exchange for PSS which were still in stock, much happier. PS4S do have great grip, great wet performance and quiet, smooth ride. BUT they were squirmy, less immediate during turn-in, and permitted excessive body motion when braking during sweeping turns. PSS much more precise feeling, firmer sidewalls, better feedback. Cannot speak to acceleration traction, since I'm AWD. Overall, to me the PS4S feel more like a "sporty luxury" tire with great grip rather than an all-out sports tire.
Gutted I can only get these for front tyres on my M140i without different rims 😭 245/35/R18 doesn’t seem to be a thing. Stage 2+ here too 😁 manual though
Super Sports winter it’s a big no no. Have a look at my video from few months back from Peak District. I was all over the road on PSS. They are dead when they are below 12c. Good video.
Hi, it seems the PS4S is star mark @6:25 which has a big difference to standard PS4S Though Standard PS4S is still have a better wet performance and breaking compared to PSS star mark
@@realtorque 😂 any tire would be better than a worn out one don’t you think…. Can’t really make a comparison to worn out set vs a new set of anything. Common sense
Superb informative video once again, you nailed it once more please keep posting, really look forward to your videos seriously brilliant. Well done buddy.
Great vid mate and I’m with you on having to take wets/semi slicks to a trackday, its a ball ache, the PS4S isn’t an all out track tyre as we know but it caters for all weather conditions when you rock up.
Iv made exactly the same change on my own m2c. Only thing I would add is when its a warm day and your working the car hard on lanes or roads you know well, the ps4s do seem to just take a split second to settle into faster corners than an mpss. They dont quite have as connected feel at their optimum. However, those days are rare, and as you demonstrated 99% of the time the 4s is the more capable tyre. I also find in colder conditions running an extra 1-2 psi compared to mpss helps with some of that vagueness.
So by getting wider tyres being on a different road (not covered in a thin layer of oil like a main road) and at the limit of old tyres tread, this is no way a fair comparison. From tyre tests I've seen the PS4s are better in the wet by around 1 second a lap.
@@realtorque fair point my friend, just very hard to justify around 3 seconds 0-60 difference on the tyre made for the 599 Ferrari and put on the Bugatti Veyron just because of a wet road in favour of an updated tyre! With that jump in performance all other tyre manufacturers should just shut shop and go home in the top tier. Message if you're interested in M240i with new from today pilot supersports test against your M2 on PS4s tyres. (If of interest of course and you don't have other available options for your channel.) Anyway peace out my friend, thank you for taking the time to make a RUclips channel and sharing your experiences and thoughts.
Thank you for this review. Since both tires are wider and the same 35 series, there will be a SLIGHT (very slight) difference in outside diameter which will affect your speedometer (in this case read just a tiny bit slower). Worn tires will make your speedometer read faster, so take this with a grain of salt. I consider this when shopping for different size tires, but I'm moving from 255 to 295 wide tires, so I had to move from a 40 series to a 35 series to keep the same outside diameter. Different brands also measure different outside diameters for the same tire size. These are things that I care about, but I'm pretty picky. I had Pilot SS tires on my Acura TL AWD and loved them. They stuck like glue and wore like iron. As other here have mentioned they were okay, but not great, in wet conditions. They did, however, made me a true believer in Michelin. I'm in the process of buying a 2013 Corvette Z06 with only 7K miles on it, but still has the original tires. These WILL need to be replaced even though they still look like new. I'll be going with the Pilot Sport 4S since the Pilot SS is not available in the sizes I need.
Unfortunately I can’t control the weather conditions and done what I could where I could. I know it’s not the fairest of tests. But I’ve experienced both of these tyres on and off of track and the PS4S’s are far more superior
Nice video. Any chance you noticed one tire picking up more rocks than the other. I’m looking to get new tires for my corvette and would like to save my paint as much as possible.
my M2 (for nearly 7 years now), in summer always the pilot super sports, they are the best. Never a problem, never understeer, very good in wet. If you drive summers in 1°C... you looking for problems. Just put winters on it. Also with winters, never ever a problem.
Have you tried toyo r888r ? just wonder how traction difference between p4s and r888.. i've been using cup 2 now and want to upgrade between r888 or p4s.
@@realtorque will do, I’ll be sizing up like you did. It’s a no brainer cost and advantage wise. Not sure why the M2 came with the 245/265. The M3/4 came with the 255/275, I guess since they are a slight heavier car maybe or more arch gap to fill. Who knows.
Just found your channel and great content on the M2Comp! I got an M2C late last year after a Porsche 997.1 C2S and I was really surprised about the difference (i.e. lack of grip) between the 2 cars - admitted, the Porsche had 295’s and a big engine pushing down on the rear tyres. I’m seriously considering upgrading to the PS4’s and also doing what you’ve done with upsizing to 255’s and 275’s. One question (living in Central London), do the wider tyres also mean less chance of kerbing the alloys??
Thanks buddy! And nice I bet you loved the Porsche! I’d defo make the change to the tyres big difference, but not sure on the kerbing element side of things
So your old worn out super sports vs wider brand new sport 4s's? Really mate? Horrible comparison video. Absolutely horrible and unfair to the iconic Super Sport tread compound tire. There is another side by side comparison and the only difference is larger cuts in the edge stipling. So many video of people glazing their 4s tires 🙄
Well, it’s the best I could do with the resources I had. Either way, I’ve used both tyres on various cars on and off of track and the PS4S’s are a far better tyre
@@realtorque Agreed. I've had two M4's, a CTS-V, and an M6 that were all on Super Sports. I now have PS4S's on the M6 and there is a noticeable difference for sure.
New tyres are better than old tyres on their wear markers…. Who knew 🤷♂️🙄😂 Now doubt the PS4S is a great tyre but not sure what you’re trying to show comparing worn to new tyres
![This Is Why You Should Fit OE Tires To Your Car! [Michelin Pilot Sport 4S vs 4S*]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/COA630Juf_U/mqdefault.jpg)
What tyres would you recommend?
Bridgestone Potenza Sport. Good for wet and dry. They tend to melt on track though but for road the hug the road hard
@@simonlo7595 yeah good point on those! I’ve found they’re understeer a bit when pushed hard
ruclips.net/video/t10y-87oiD4/видео.html this bloke knows tyres
Cup 2 r best tire
@@7h3th1 Worst tire in wet conditions tho 😋
Not overly fair comparing worn out MSS to new PS4S's. Also, wider new tyres. Still, I would consider PS4S's over current MSS.
100%
It's lame comparing brand new tyres with worn ones (and they did look absolutely fooked), the new ones are always going to be optimum.
Also, MPSS are known for not being quite as good in the wet/cold, but are better in warm/dry.
Also, the review would hold more weight if both tyres were not only brand new, but also the same width !
Wider tyres are going to be grippier, it's not rocket science.
Did you realise when you went up a width that the profile (side wall depth) also increased, making the Spedo slightly out of calibration and increased the circumference. This will also affect the handling. Normally if you go up a width you must go down a profile to compensate.
PS4S have for sure better grip in cold and wet condition:
But PSS in hot or dry condition is still the more sporty, more direct tyre with more steering feedback
Yes, they are very good in optimal conditions for sure
@@realtorque of you drive PSS you definitely will go for winter tyres
Another absolute banger bro! You’re not lying! Big difference when I had my m2, I don’t think people know until they try them!
Thanks brother! Yeah insane difference. Feels like a different car for sure
Should we go with PSS if only using in dry weather?
Yes
Put PS4S on my '18 Golf R (Stage 1 APR, Bilstien B16 suspension), did not like them for this car and for the intended purpose. Sent them back to Tire Rack in exchange for PSS which were still in stock, much happier. PS4S do have great grip, great wet performance and quiet, smooth ride. BUT they were squirmy, less immediate during turn-in, and permitted excessive body motion when braking during sweeping turns. PSS much more precise feeling, firmer sidewalls, better feedback. Cannot speak to acceleration traction, since I'm AWD. Overall, to me the PS4S feel more like a "sporty luxury" tire with great grip rather than an all-out sports tire.
Just bought these before for my stage 2+ 440i because I struggle to go anywhere with the tyres I had previous! Getting fitted Saturday!
Nice man! Honestly it’s such a big difference!
Gutted I can only get these for front tyres on my M140i without different rims 😭 245/35/R18 doesn’t seem to be a thing. Stage 2+ here too 😁 manual though
Super Sports winter it’s a big no no. Have a look at my video from few months back from Peak District. I was all over the road on PSS. They are dead when they are below 12c. Good video.
They’re horrible aren’t they haha! I’ll have a look now
Hi, it seems the PS4S is star mark @6:25 which has a big difference to standard PS4S
Though Standard PS4S is still have a better wet performance and breaking compared to PSS star mark
How are you comparing the super sports when you said they were so worn they were illegal?????
I’ll tell you how. I had worn SS’s and timed them. Then fitted new PS4s’s and then timed them. Magic
@@realtorque 😂 any tire would be better than a worn out one don’t you think…. Can’t really make a comparison to worn out set vs a new set of anything. Common sense
Superb informative video once again, you nailed it once more please keep posting, really look forward to your videos seriously brilliant. Well done buddy.
Thanks John!!!! As always I massively appreciate the support
Great vid mate and I’m with you on having to take wets/semi slicks to a trackday, its a ball ache, the PS4S isn’t an all out track tyre as we know but it caters for all weather conditions when you rock up.
Thanks Karl! Yeah I’d love to have some semi slicks but is such a pain
Dude, can u please repeat what size you have had (front and rear) and what you have now?
love the 4s so so good (Subscribed) the only trouble putting wider tyres on it can induce understeer more but different on every car
Great informative video mate! Question, are the new tyres bmw spec ? (Star marked)
Hey pal! Thank you and no they’re not
Iv made exactly the same change on my own m2c.
Only thing I would add is when its a warm day and your working the car hard on lanes or roads you know well, the ps4s do seem to just take a split second to settle into faster corners than an mpss.
They dont quite have as connected feel at their optimum.
However, those days are rare, and as you demonstrated 99% of the time the 4s is the more capable tyre.
I also find in colder conditions running an extra 1-2 psi compared to mpss helps with some of that vagueness.
Totally agree. The SS do feel a little bit more reactive on entry. But yes overall the ps4s are a better tyre and hold their own on track too
So by getting wider tyres being on a different road (not covered in a thin layer of oil like a main road) and at the limit of old tyres tread, this is no way a fair comparison. From tyre tests I've seen the PS4s are better in the wet by around 1 second a lap.
It’s the resources I had a available to me. I’ve had plenty of time on both tyres and overall the PS4s is far more superior
@@realtorque fair point my friend, just very hard to justify around 3 seconds 0-60 difference on the tyre made for the 599 Ferrari and put on the Bugatti Veyron just because of a wet road in favour of an updated tyre! With that jump in performance all other tyre manufacturers should just shut shop and go home in the top tier.
Message if you're interested in M240i with new from today pilot supersports test against your M2 on PS4s tyres. (If of interest of course and you don't have other available options for your channel.)
Anyway peace out my friend, thank you for taking the time to make a RUclips channel and sharing your experiences and thoughts.
Which winter tyres do you run ?
I’d run these all year round
Thank you for this review. Since both tires are wider and the same 35 series, there will be a SLIGHT (very slight) difference in outside diameter which will affect your speedometer (in this case read just a tiny bit slower). Worn tires will make your speedometer read faster, so take this with a grain of salt. I consider this when shopping for different size tires, but I'm moving from 255 to 295 wide tires, so I had to move from a 40 series to a 35 series to keep the same outside diameter. Different brands also measure different outside diameters for the same tire size. These are things that I care about, but I'm pretty picky.
I had Pilot SS tires on my Acura TL AWD and loved them. They stuck like glue and wore like iron. As other here have mentioned they were okay, but not great, in wet conditions. They did, however, made me a true believer in Michelin.
I'm in the process of buying a 2013 Corvette Z06 with only 7K miles on it, but still has the original tires. These WILL need to be replaced even though they still look like new. I'll be going with the Pilot Sport 4S since the Pilot SS is not available in the sizes I need.
You get star rated PS4S or just standard?
Just standard buddy
Just ordered a set so buzzing to get them on in a couple of days
How are they?
@@realtorque good overall and can feel the difference in handling but can feel more bumps on the road. Overall happy
Will pilot 4s fill the arch more than super sport ?
Not really unless you size up like I did
There od rain during PSS test and no rain during testing ps4s? Look at side windows during acceleration...
Unfortunately I can’t control the weather conditions and done what I could where I could. I know it’s not the fairest of tests. But I’ve experienced both of these tyres on and off of track and the PS4S’s are far more superior
how much do a set of rears cost on the m2?
For a decent set. Around £250-£300
@@realtorque and that's for both? not per corner?
@@jacobhess8572 that’s per corner bud
@@realtorque thanks man, enjoyed the video!
Nice video. Any chance you noticed one tire picking up more rocks than the other. I’m looking to get new tires for my corvette and would like to save my paint as much as possible.
Tbf I’ve not really had any issues with that on these
Ride quality any better now you've changed tyres?
more or less the same. The slightly softer tyre wall helps
Just upgraded to this on my OG m2, couldn’t agree morr
Thank you for the recommendation!!!!
Brilliant!
Thank you!!!
I love that new tire feeling and oil change.
my M2 (for nearly 7 years now), in summer always the pilot super sports, they are the best. Never a problem, never understeer, very good in wet. If you drive summers in 1°C... you looking for problems. Just put winters on it. Also with winters, never ever a problem.
Have you tried toyo r888r ? just wonder how traction difference between p4s and r888.. i've been using cup 2 now and want to upgrade between r888 or p4s.
I’ve had them on my track car! Great tyre to be fair. A bit sketchy in the wet
Everyone recommends these for good reason
Just a brilliant tyre aren’t they
Cual es mejor para suelo seco??
El super SPORT
35 front and rear?? Why?
Why not?
I need some new ones on 305 35 19 very soon. Currently run the super sports. For the GT350 in my channel.
They’re great tyres
Just changed from the original PS4 to Bridgestone RE 71RS on my M2C. This over PS4S or PS5
Oh really? I’m always changing my tyres so will certainly look at this for my next set. How are they in rain?
Bridge stone are the shittest tyres don’t try them lmao
The 4s are run flat zp capable ?
I’m too sure. I don’t think so
I'm away to buy Continental SC 7. They seem to be up there with PS4s if not better in terms of feel.
I’ve heard really good things about these. Let me know how you get on
@@realtorque will do, I’ll be sizing up like you did. It’s a no brainer cost and advantage wise. Not sure why the M2 came with the 245/265. The M3/4 came with the 255/275, I guess since they are a slight heavier car maybe or more arch gap to fill. Who knows.
Just found your channel and great content on the M2Comp! I got an M2C late last year after a Porsche 997.1 C2S and I was really surprised about the difference (i.e. lack of grip) between the 2 cars - admitted, the Porsche had 295’s and a big engine pushing down on the rear tyres. I’m seriously considering upgrading to the PS4’s and also doing what you’ve done with upsizing to 255’s and 275’s. One question (living in Central London), do the wider tyres also mean less chance of kerbing the alloys??
Thanks buddy! And nice I bet you loved the Porsche! I’d defo make the change to the tyres big difference, but not sure on the kerbing element side of things
I‘d go for PS4S and not PS4 on these powerful cars
I will never use another tyre for performance over then ps4s
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 they’re great aren’t they
@@realtorque yes. Shame they don't make for mlite standard.
@@derekporter66 I totally agree
Ps5s ? 😂 coming soon
@@performancecars4835 hahah
If the wheel size is the same but a bigger tire, that doesnt equal more grip.
PS4 the 4 is kinda all season more so.The PSS is car better in dry warmer air.
So your old worn out super sports vs wider brand new sport 4s's? Really mate? Horrible comparison video. Absolutely horrible and unfair to the iconic Super Sport tread compound tire. There is another side by side comparison and the only difference is larger cuts in the edge stipling. So many video of people glazing their 4s tires 🙄
Bald worn out super sport vs brand new sport 4s? Not a vary far comparison
Well, it’s the best I could do with the resources I had. Either way, I’ve used both tyres on various cars on and off of track and the PS4S’s are a far better tyre
@@realtorque Agreed. I've had two M4's, a CTS-V, and an M6 that were all on Super Sports. I now have PS4S's on the M6 and there is a noticeable difference for sure.
How is this a fair comparison when you changed tire sizes? That's not apples to apples comparison.
Testing worn PSS in the wet? 😆Super Sport in dry and when cold has waaaaay less grip than even a Pilot Sport 4 let alone 4S
Ps4s are the baddest tyre abour
New tyres are better than old tyres on their wear markers…. Who knew 🤷♂️🙄😂
Now doubt the PS4S is a great tyre but not sure what you’re trying to show comparing worn to new tyres
It’s my initial impressions. My rears still had plenty of tread before changing and the overall tyre feels much different 👍🏼
@@realtorque fair enough, was just going by you’re comments of recommending the tyre place getting you in because the rears are almost illegal.
I need these tires for my RCF so I can half way keep up with the bummer boys 😂
Guy is comparing 🙄 finished MSS in the rain with practically no groves left vs new MS4 ... not a good comparison. 2/10 for this video.
Better than zero. Cheers
@@realtorque Classy reply! Pure positivity and politeness!
@@Democratiser haha cheers