Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S vs Michelin Pilot Super Sport
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- Опубликовано: 14 фев 2017
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We tried to make a 5 minute video to explain the differences between the new Michelin Pilot Sport 4 S, and it's older brother the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Sadly we failed, and this video is 9 minutes. If you're not a tyre geek, but are curious about the differences between the two tyres, feel free to skip to the conclusion at 6:10 as that covers most of it.
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Sick video dude! Very informative with lots of stats that I'll try and get my head round haha
Thanks Paul, appreciated. Look forward to working together in the future!
Good suggestion/plug. Came here thanks to exhaust experts ep4
You should try them out on your Merc @SOL - Supercars of London
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Yes please ! More tyre tests would be great. A lot of people don't understand the importance of good tyres (or tires for the Americans), so it's worth educating people more on this topic.
Thank you!
We're working on a number of videos this year covering all aspects of tyres :) Subscribe to keep up to date :)
I love these PS4s tires. And I’ll admit, I bought them mostly for the looks 😂
Where did u buy them from? Cant seem to find any available. I read they come at 285/35/18 but cant find any
Pavlos Pilakoutas same issue
Apparently they are no longer in production
I waited a month at bjs before they figured that out. I went to a local tire shop yesterday who said they had them and i could get them next day. When i came to the shop it was the pilot sport a/s 3+. After making a fuss i just said eff it and got them, i cant be bothered with this anymore. Also they are $200 cheaper and all season vs summer.
@@AG-xt6ei i have ps3 now, and most likely will go for the super sport model.
Used to have the pirelli p zero before, cant remember the models in front and back, rosso something, but michelin are top notch. For me that is.
@@AG-xt6ei I hope your A/S3+ have served you well. We put them on our 2019 RS 3 in 245/40;/18 size using new 18x8.5 alloy wheels, now at 12,978 fast back roads use, 5,047 local driving and they have performed very well. Clearly superior to the factory Pirelli 235/35/19 original configuration. Will replace shortly with Michelin A/S 4S soon as the A/S3+ have been discontinued.
How long did they lasted
Awesome, I love actual reviews that do comparisons. Not a "I tested the tire and it's great", which doesn't mean anything. Having actual similar cars, and back to back testing is amazing, and not seen much these days. Kudos to Tyre Reviews, you got me subscribed!
Thanks for the kind words :) Back to back testing is a lot of fun!
Love the detailed analysis of your review. You really nail down the pros/cons instead of the more common ‘hand waving’ of other reviewers 😉. Keep it up!
Thank you, appreciated :)
Jon fantastic video and thank you for all your help with getting specific information from Michelin. I've being a long fan on the MPSS since fitting to my 911 where it offered more or less cup levels of grip in the dry but was also superb in the wet and on my 911 they lasted 2-3x longer than any other tyre I had tried previously on track and road. Just fitted the 4S today to the rear and though it is way to early to give performance data the first and immediate thing I noticed over the worn MPSS was NVH and road noise significantly reduced.
A thumbs up and subscription from me! :)
No problem Gibbo, glad you got there in the end. Keep us updated with your thoughts as the tyres bed in and you get more miles on them :)
Great video! This helped me a lot with my decision making. After watching, I've decided to go with the PS4Ss for my M4.
Let me know how you get on :)
would like a track test between MPSS/MP4S/CUP2, to see how close the tyres are on track (have the MPSS on daily wheels, the CUP2 on trackset).
We're doing our best to make it happen!
Tyre Reviews cool! :)
And road too please. A lost of us don't track but still want an ultra sticky tire for dry road use.
We'll try our best! :)
I had same combo on my A45. PSS daily and Cup2 for track. The Cup2 as a daily did not last (about 50% of the longevity, not surprising as they start off with less tread depth), The Cup2 were worth just over a second on track, but did aquaplane earlier on a wet track (but were still ok in wet with the awd assistance compared to the pussies in their Porsche’s)
I'm a Tire Technician and I'm around tires everyday. I've learned a lot in the 3 years that I've been in the field. I currently have the PSS on my vehicle and there a night and day difference compared to other UHP tires out there. I'm really excited to put the PS4S on my ride as soon as they become available at my shop. Thank you for the video!
Jorge Quirante look forward to hearing how you find them!
This helped me out a lot!
My Focus RS came with Pilot Super Sports and when in doubt, go with the same tire.
But now that you produced a direct side by side comparison I am more informed and now know, with confidence, that the PS4S is the upgraded tire.
Thank you very much!
and thank you to the companies and manufactures that invite "Tyre Reviews" to review and quantify tires.
Let me know how you find the swap!
Impressively detailed... the kind of approach us tiregeeks appreciate. Many many thanks.
Just stumbled upon your channel. Very well done, covering many aspects of tyres that enthusiasts care about. Don't worry about being long in run time. Personally I prefer more detailed info over less. I'm also happy to hear you compare directly with other brands in a review. Keep up the good work!
That's fortunate as I've just finished a 16 minute edit that should be going live tomorrow :)
Great informative video. Well done. What really impressed me, is the honesty & objectivity. Look forward to more videos from you. And yes we would love to see video(s) comparing mpss/mp4s/mp Cup2/conti sport contact 6. It will be an instant hit, especially with people like myself who owns many Porsches with mpss & cup2 & P zero & MPA4 tires. It will be also great to see videos of tire reviews of same or comparable (ultra high performance) tires but at lower temperatures (e.g 33F to 49F) in both dry & wet conditions. Many owners of exotic or sport cars still drive their cars with these ultra high performance tires at these lower temperatures if they live in areas where it does not normally snow, but only very few of these tires perform reasonably OK under such conditions. Again geat job and please keep them coming. Mark
Great video guys and a great addition to your website!
Very well put together, I am currently running the pss on my a4 Quattro it's streets ahead of the conti sc3 my car came with from Audi, given how good the pss is I will have my eye on the new ps4s for sure. So far the tread wear on the pss is outstanding they are so much better than Continentals.
Great review, I have MPS 4’s on my 650hp Z06 and love them!
Glad you're enjoying them :)
Thanks for the great explanation. I have the super sports on my S3 now and love them but now I am looking for new tires and really just need a good everyday tire. The 4S looks like it might be my next tire I am just not ready to spend a 1000 dollars again.
Thank you for this video. It was exactly the information I needed. Just a little more wet grip is just the ticket. I ran Continental's last year. Super grip, as long as they had at least a little contact with tarmac. LOL, then things got a little unpredictable.
EXTREMELY HELPFUL REVIEW! Thank you, just went with the 4s for my BBS FI-R
Great news, let me know how you get on :)
No these ps4s are something else... not all tires are the same!
once again a truly informative video, thank you. would be great if there were charts depicting the results. looking forward to the next video
Stef Stef thank you :) the plan for the PSS VS PS4S VS PSCup2 currently involves a lot of objective data collection on track, which means there should be plenty of graphs in the video :)
Very informative and really useful to get your comparison
Many Thanks
Hey guys, I'm sure you guys have limited time and resources for reviews but if you ever have the opportunity, please start reviewing a wider range of performance tyres, in terms of price range and brands (e.g. Bridgestone, Yokohama, other lesser known brands). You guys put out great reviews that I'm sure an increasing number of people want to watch and covering a wide range of performance tyres will make it relevant to lots of people with many types of cars. Thank, great job, guys.
Joshua D'Oliveiro thank you for the kind words! We're working towards a number of interesting videos this year so be sure to subscribe to keep up to date with the latest content. They won't all be as long and as boring as this one!
Great review ,
Thanks
Great driving skills, I've always believed the top tyre manufacturers improve their products yearly and is some of the most up-to-date "tech" available to the auto consumer
The premium manufacturers definitely have the most tech in their tyres. Michelin spend over one million euros per day in R&D alone!
Thanks for making this video. Yes, I would too like to see a test between the PSS, P4s and P Cup. I am glad to go smoke the P4s this weekend ...
+JpadIceCoffee subscribe and you'll see :)
absolutely need a Pilot Sport 4 S vs pilot sport 4 vid please , my biggest problem with tyres these days is soft side walls , totally hate them some are frankly shocking and completely ruin all driving dynamics , i just dont get how some manufactures can make the sidewalls so dam soft on some tyres , look forward to the next vid thanks
It's an issue with the label demands and OE requirements. Nearly all OE manufacturers are calling for quieter more comfortable tyres, and the label rolling resistance grade requires a low rolling resistance. This means manufacturers are taking material and strength out of the sidewalls.
As noted in the video, the PS4S is ever so slightly softer than the PSS. The next step in Michelin would be the PSCup2.
Manufacturers who don't score as well on comfort can sometimes give you improved steering feel, such as the Yokohama V105
Great vid, just completed my order.
Appreciate the info bro !!!
Thank you for your excellent review. Exactly what I need to make a decision, 4S shoes will be on my F80 M3 very soon.
Great review, thanks.
I've only recently (Oct 2016) bought a set of PSS ( to replace Bridgestone 050's) for my rather lowly Mondeo Titanium X Sport, but they are such an improvement. I've only used them for just over a month before switching to my winter wheels/tyres, so I think by the time I replace the PSS, the PS4 will have been superseded possibly?...but certainly looks promising for the future anyway.
Frembrit Nez the PSS was on the market for 4 years before the launch of the PS4S, so it depends on how many miles you do. Either way, we're excited at the thought of the PS5S (or whatever Michelin decide to name it!)
I run the 225/40 R18 88Y Michelin SS and have been really impressed with the all season grip and wear is superb for such a soft compound. I may be mistaken but the newer Michelin Sports PS3/4 and 4s don’t offer the lower load rating of 88Y which is standard equipment on some older cars (most cars are now 92Y XL) and therefore will stick with the SS. It’s all you need for everyday driving.
If you have 180hp the ss are good lol
Thanks great video very informative 👍
Very good review. Great website too. Just fitted MPSS to my 335d F31 m sport (would've gone with the PS4S but am on 18" Wheels), replaced the awful S001 run flats, drives like a different car. Never will I have run flats again. Absolutely love the car now, has made a huge difference!! Hopefully Michelin will release a star marked PS4S for 18" wheels befroe my MPSS need replacing. It really is very important to get tyre selection right if you're even slightly enthusiastic about driving.
Glad you're enjoying them :) They wear so well by the time you need to replace them, the PS5S might be on the market!
VERY helpful and informative video, thank you. I even signed into my phone to find it again so I could 'thumbs up' it!
I will be investing in a set of these for my C63, a car which would benefit hugely from some better RW grip!
Thanks again.
Subscribed.
R08Z1 thanks, really appreciated! Be sure to let us know how you get on with them, they'll be a great match for an awesome car like the c63!
Thanks! I just replaced my PSS with PS4s on my RCF. I was up in the air worrying that the 4S would be more of an all-season tire (I.E. boring and less dry grip) than the PSS. Clearly, that's not the case. Cheers!
Can not get a better tyre review 👍
Just perfect! After your vid. i just ordered new tyres and subsribe to your channel !
Thank you, let us know how you get on!
lol, I did the same. :)
Really excellent work here.
Good news on the NVH + Wet Traction on the 4's... they'll go on once the PSS's are finished! Thanks for the commentary.
Enjoy, let me know how you get on :)
Great review thanks! My E92 CP M3 had 4S' fitted and when I upgraded to my F82 CP M4 which had SS I couldn't believe the reduced wet weather performance! Add that to the massive increase in low down torque with the (lovely) M4, I can't wait to replace the SS with a nice set of 4S.....
Reduced with 4s or ss ?
@@GG-hd8rr I believe he’s saying the SS performed worse in wet weather, which is a common point made when comparing the two tires. I’ve never owned SS but I’ve had multiple sets of PS4S and they do perform exceptionally well in the wet.
great review, moved from supersport and got my 4S set and they rock...
Great to hear! If you get some time feel free to leave a review on www.tyrereviews.com :)
Great review, thanks for taking the time and effort to film for us.
Clive Walpole thank you for your kind comment, be sure to subscribe for more in the future :)
Tyre Reviews - Yes, I have subscribed. It was refreshing to listen to a tyre review from someone who actually understands tyre and car dynamics, a rare thing indeed! I run Supersports and Cup 2's on different cars, and I'm looking forward to using a new set of PS4S.
Clive Walpole be sure to let us know how you get on :)
Thanks - great video,really informative and I'm now off to buy some PS4S for the M3! Looking forward to better wet grip.
Let us know how you get on!
Very good review!
Andreas Sjöström thanks you, really appreciated :)
Great video exactly what I was looking for
+mas921 glad you enjoyed it!
excellent thank you, be good to see the Cup vs PSS vs 4S on track in your other video now...Cheers
Love Your Videos . . . Always Informative . Thanks
Thanks :)
Put on PSS last year on my Vectra OPC/VXR Caravan before the release of the PS4S. Was driving at 250km/h in Germany and the handling was great. I can't wait to wear them out to put on the PS4S and see the difference! And for a prettier look also of course :) Thanks for the review, I watch a lot of your video you're great! Big Up!
I look forward to your thoughts on the swap :)
They do look great - glad I'm not the only one who thought so!
I just had a set of 4s put on my S65 AMG. Funny thing was the tire shop "accidentally" put Super Sports on the front...I'll bet they weren't expecting me to notice.
Just ordered a set of the Michelin pilot super sports not the 4S today, 5/1/2017. Hoping a decent tire for my Mustang GT! Great vid and new subscriber!
Thank you and enjoy the tyres :)
how did you find them? I can't afford the 4S so I'm tempted by the SS
Great video on this subject, and one of the first ones which is very informative with lots of detail! I'm having the PSS on my GT86 and it's incredible. Shame for me is that manufacturers put more resources in larger sizes nowadays. 18" is already something of the past. Now 19-20" are the benchmark tires. One question to the car manufacturers: is this really necessary? For the next gen cars you have 18" for the Fiesta ST, 19" for the Mégane RS and now 20" on a Civic Type-R. For me 17" is correct size for a Fiesta and 18" is for a Focus RS, Mégane RS or Civic Type-R. For the car enthusiast 19-20" is not payable. Certainly if you do 5-10000 kilometers with a set of tires.
Maybe an idea for a next video to discuss that matter. Keep on doing these video's. It's an asset on RUclips!
Thank you for the kind words, really appreciated. We are in the process of planning a 17 vs 18 vs 19 inch test, so keep an eye on the channel :)
We agree the PS4S should be in 18", and while it isn't yet, that's not to say it won't be in the future. The tyre manufacturers will react to the demand of the market, and there's so much interest in an 18" PS4S in Europe, lets see what happens in 2018 :) Fingers crossed!
I had Pilot Super Sport on my 2006 BMW E60 550i(394ps), I took the car to track day with NASA and Speed Venture quite a few times, it turns and hold up very well(This set of tyres sees 4 track days and a lot of highway driving, includes two round trips from California to Utah)
Unlike the Pilot Sport 4s on my BMW E92 335i, , already started to get massive understeer and very little feed back from the front axel after only 3 laps, the first three laps feels acceptable, but just not feel as precise and the level of grip the Pilot Super Sport has.
forgive me if you have done this video. I think it could be interesting looking at retro tires, and perhaps cars that had dedicated tires for that are no longer in production, or newer versions have come out. Im thinking e-type/911 regarding the first video and clio v6 regarding the second. Have learnt a lot from your videos. Always honest and informative.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll add it to the list :)
Great review man!
Thank you :)
Will be running pilot sport 4s on my sti this summer. Got em in my garage cant wait to put em on. Great looking tire too!
getting ready to get a new set of rims and these tires for mine
@@Madvillian nice! 18x8.5 +55 offset seems to be a good size to clear the calipers and all that. I have an appointment at the dealer may 11th to swap my tires out. Its still a bit cold up here in nj
Great video.
However the MP4S isnt available in all sizes the MPSS was, so a test of MPSS vs MP4 (non S) would be great.
Agreed!
Had these on my golf r. Just got them for my 1 series. Best tyre ever. MPSS.
Great review.
Agreed, I'm a big fan!
Sweet video man really useful info 👌
Thank you :)
Thanks for uploading, great video! I can't wait till Michelin makes the 4S's in the size I need on my 08 350Z, which is 275/40/18. I've been running the PSS's for about a yr now and they are phenomenal, especially in the wet. I was also impressed by their wear quality. I gets lots of use out of'em in my area, I live close to the Tail of the Dragon (aka Deals Gap) here in the states...it's my therapy. ; ) Cheers
Glad you're enjoying the tyres :)
If you are ever in the states, do yourself a favor and check out the Tail of the Dragon in east TN, you will thank me. It's a stretch of a U.S. hwy (129) with 318 curves in 11 miles, plus it has no interconnecting roads or private drives in that 11 mile stretch. Here's a small dose, about the last 2-3 miles of it actually, I'm chasing two sportbikes. This was pre-PSS's...think I had some crappy 595S's when I filmed this.
ruclips.net/video/IFSB3BlPK9Q/видео.html
Looks amazing, sure will :)
First of all thanks for this channel! Its amazing!
I would still have a question. I drive a bmw m140i and would like to change the tyres to 235 front and rear with 4s or 245 front and rear with pss. Would the wider tyres still perform better even if the 4s is the better tyres or would you recommend the smaller tyres but 4s?
Thanks a lot and best wishes from Germany
Thanks for the video, just ordered a set for my M2 to replace the Conti's that came with it.
T Bone let us know how you find them :)
Outstanding comparison!
Appreciated, thank you :)
Awesome!!! Pilot Sport 4 vs 4S review please! Couldn’t find ANYTHING anywhere!!!
fransarj I really want to do it, but as there's very few cross over sizes at the moment in the UK, it's not high on the list. PS4S VS Cup 2 is though :)
I also support the idea of comparing the PSS to the P4S to the PSC2 for both road and track use
Very informative video Sir. I have made decision to put PS 4S in my new wheels after watching this. Thank you so much.
Get, let me know how you get on :)
I just got 4S for all 4 wheels on my coupe and OMG...this is the BEST tire I have ever owned. Smoother ride but gives fantastic grip...sooo sticky! It is also much harder to spin the wheel from a hard launch. Completely satisfied.
Glad you're enjoying them :)
I did not skip the video to 6:10, great video!! I'm debating on Pilot 4S vs Continental Extremecontact sport
Let me know what you decide!
Great vid! Another vote for a comparison between MPSS, 4S and Cup2's on road and track please! :)
+Fastfishracing already working on it :)
Nice video! Yeah you feel the indirect steering massive between these 2 tyres.
Put the 4s on a c63s w205 amg, you will see death in front of you.
The car feels like a boat on 4s, didn’t believe it first but after switching back to super sport the car felt like a train.
Nice to see a balanced review on these at last. Been waiting for these to come out in 225/40/19 for the front of my E46 M3 but looks like its not gonna happen. Need to bite the bullet and get 235/40/19 instead as it has the lowest effect on the speedo compared to the cheaper ones closest to my size (negligible really as it's just under 1% as compared to up to 4% with the other sizes). Have already just fitted the standard PS4 (non "S") on the rear and they are phenomonal, really can't rate them highly enough. They replaced an old set of PS3's that lasted 14k over the past year which were a brilliant set of all year tyres as well. With the new PS4S on the front and my new bilsteins fitted all round the car will be like a go kart - cant wait!
sarcastixx74 thank you for the feedback :) for what it's worth I ran 235/35 R19 fronts on the TyreReviews E46 M3 without problem, just make sure you let your insurance company know as technically it is classed as a modification
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Thanks for the reply. The 235/40/19's would give the lowest speedo error (under 1%) while the 235/35/19's would be just over 2%. I know it's marginal but I want to keep the same 40 profile as the 35 will probably increase road noise. It's only 18 quid per tyre extra for the size I want compared to the size you listed. If it was more than that though I probably would have settled for the 235/35s! As for insurance, they already have my modifications listed on the policy which includes my non factory alloys/tyres. Thanks for the reminder though, always best to disclose all mods to insurers ;)
sarcastixx74 be sure to let us know how you get on with the new rubber :)
Great vdo, thanks.
Would you make a vdo of Pilot Sport4 vs Pilot Sport 4S ?
That would be fantastic.
Make sure you subscribe, it's coming soon! :)
Nice review.
Just fitted a set of 255/35/19s to all four corners of my Quattro, replacing rather sorry set of Super Sports that came with the s/h car. Can't vouch for grip or mileage, but they are certainly a LOT more comfortable without feeling soft.
I look forward to your full review when you've got some more miles on them :) I'm still being impressed by the grip every time I go out!
Great video. Subbed.
thanks for your great review, my 2010 911 came with Sport Cups but they were discontinued for the base 18 inch size in the Sport Cup 2 so I needed to find a tire that would be a suitable replacement. I ended up with the 4S and like how the tires are quieter but have yet to test the grip. Living in LA our roads are crappy - with a lot of bumps and potholes in the roads, so going 19 inch was not a wise option if I wanted more comfort. I believe this is the best compromise since I never track the car. I have Super Sports on my M4 CS and love them but will use this review once I need a new set as well.
Sounds like you made a great choice :)
Great review. looking forward to testing the pss4. most tests have been done on the smaller high performance car m3.
would really like to see a tyre a review on the bigger cars. m5 v10 /v8, rs6 v10 /v8 and e63
iamsadam no problem... If you happen to have an rs6 you can lend us we'll do a review straight away :)
Excellent review . . . . Informative
I have been fitting top level Michelin tyres (Super Sport etc) to my cars for years. I watched a documentary about Michelin a number of years ago, and they made a true believer of me.
Thankyou for covering such an important topic related to car safety. Many people spend big $ buying a great high performance car, then put shi##y third rate tyres on their vehicle.....It is almost like driving around Without Brakes.
Good luck with your new channel, I just subscribed, as getting unbiased information on this subject is near impossible.
nice work on this episode.very good info.
Thank you!
Thank you for the review! Think I'll be replacing my Super Sports on my F10 M5 with the Sport 4 S this summer.
Let me know how you get on with them!
I got em on my f10 m5 and it's crazy how you cannot understeer
PS4 vs PS4S vs PSC2 would be a great thing. It would defenitely help in undertsaning the different levels of "sportiness"
dufonrafal it's something we're definitely planning for this year :)
Great review. Very few sources of this kind of information. Highly valuable.
Too bad they don't make them in 18's anymore, hopefully the standard 4 won't be too far off
The PS4 already betters the PSS in a number of areas, so while there's quite a big jump in NVH and wet grip from the PSS to the PS4S, the difference between the PS4 and the PS4S will be much smaller.
We're constantly talking with Micheli about an 18" PS4S. We're lobbying for one!
Tyre Reviews please keep trying 18” is a huge market place
Would love to see PS4 vs PS4S as sadly only PS4 will be available in 370z sizing. CS6 is available but worried they may wear very quickly!
Both the PS4S and CSC6 only go down to 19", and there's very few PS4 sizes in 19", apart from 255/35 R19 (which is covered by the PS4S too)?!
I had a brief email exchange with someone at Michelin the other week and while they have plans to introduce 275/35 R19 in PS4 there's no plans for PS4S in 245/40 R19. That's why I'm definitely interested in seeing how PS4 compare to PS4S/CSC6...otherwise PSS may be best?
We've at least got you covered on the PSS vs CSC6 question - ruclips.net/video/27PcQObpNsQ/видео.html
Recently got new tires for my 370Z stock rims and since the stock tire size in front is 245/40 R19 I went with PS4 in the front and 275/30 R19 PS4S in the rear. I was wondering why Camskill didn't have the PS4S for the 245/40 but if it doesn't exist yet then I got my answer.
@aslan abioqa how are you finding that combo ? i have a supercarged 370z and i am looking at doing the same
i figure the extra grip in the rear cant hurt ?
Super nice video @Tyre Reviews. When is the test coming between the MPS4 and the MPS4S and MPSC2?? Im very curious between the differences of the MPS4 and the MPS4S!
Bokkem01 thanks :) it's still being planned, I'm really hopeful it will be this year!
I got new forged wheels on my i8 and didn't know whether to go with the PS4S' or PZero's. I wound up going with the PS4S' once I read it was Michellin's "improved" version of the super sports. This video gave me validation knowing I chose the right tire. Thanks!
Enjoy the tyres, it's a difficult choice between the top brands as the margins are so small, but all the tests so far indicate you made the right choice :)
Thank you Sir. for the review. I have never ridden on Mu$helins tyre or bought em, but Im sold. After researching Im getting a set for my BMW. I got some Nitto nt555 g2 on my jdm Tacoma and love those for the value and what I get. What Sold me on the ps4s is not only all the good tech and reviews but the tyres are a few pounds lighter also In the same sizes. Im getting new 18" lightweight wheels on the Bavarian Machine with the lighter Mu$helins. Woohoo!!! 😘🇩🇪☝...
Thanks for the vid!
It would be great to see PS4 vs PSS, especially as the PS4S is only 19 inch + :-/
(WHY!!!!)
I have the ps4s in 18s
I have the PS4 pro
@@casualblunts9186 That is true I just ordered some PS4 18" as well
Thank you very much...pretty much my determining factor when buying UHP rubber is what the feedback is at loss of traction time...that is what matters to me...which is why I still prefer Cup2 tires as I can feel what they are up to at traction loss time...but as my '18 Z06 has PSS's and I was considering Cup2's or PS4's I will now scratch the PS4 thought.
thnks for this mate!
I was reading the 4S specifications provided by Michelin and compared them to the PSS specifications. It appears that the tread width is significantly wider on the PSS over the 4S. It appears that a 275 section width 4S is about the same width as a 255 section width PSS. Certainly narrower than a 265 PSS. Did any of your measurements/observations detect this change?
There's a variance allowed in each size bracket, Michelin assured us the PS4S is within the allowance.
The PS4S 255/35 R19 front on the M3 rubs slightly, where the PSS / CPC6 didn't. This could be down to the sidewall profile, or shoulder width / profile!
Installed on my A45 today. Fantastic tires!
Glad you're enjoying them :)
Would really love a video of Sport 4 vs Sport 4 S vs Cup 2 like you mentioned in the end of the video.
4S vs Cup 2 coming very soon! Just waiting on some camera bits, it should be live within 2 weeks :)
Awesome! Looking forward to it...
Nice review, since this summer I have put 19 inch PS 4S on my Mercedes E500 coupe, much better grip and stability at high speed on the Autobahn than with 18 inch PS4 before. Best tyres so far for daily drive (> 60000 km per year)!
how about noise and comfort ? ps4 vs ps4s :)
@@kleroooo The downside is little less comfort and little more noise but way more performance. It was worth for me, it depends on what you prefer.
You have provided the best review so far. I just would like to ask; how will the 4s handle in colder weather 40 to 30? I would just like to drive my Porsche a bit longer into the coder months.
Awesome review- I totally see the difference in handling since I drive through Mulholland Dr (Los Angeles, CA) for 11 miles everyday. I’m I loving the PS4S? Yes! Are they better than the PS2’s? In every way except for handling in canyon driving. If Michellin could improve that- well that could be the ultimate tire! Again- very nice review
The Cup 2 might be the ultimate canyon driving tyre, but not so good in the wet!
Please make the video of the PSC2!! thanks for the hard work!!
South Coast Photography thank you, we're trying to get one organised at the moment!
Great work you guys are doing with tyre reviews.
Since PSS and PS4S don't come in 17, I can either stick to the classic PS2 N3 or try the PS4 for my 993.
Tyres are getting softer these days, I'm not so sure that the 8 time test winner PS4 will give the same driving fun and feeling as the old PS2N3..
I'd stick with the PS2 in this case, the PS4 won't give you as much feeling :)
Great reviews mate im sold on these tyres for my sc v8
Let me know how you find them :)
Awesome video, I was really curious as to how the steering feel compares. My only complaint after 3 sets of MPSS was the soft sidewall and lack of steering feel. It always felt like about 5% more on center dead spot.
Russell G.S. Centre dead spot and steering speed improved have slightly improved! If you want the best steering feel and feedback from a Michelin tyre, it will be the Pilot Spot Cup 2 (or the original Pilot Sport, that was an epic tyre!)
Super video thanks
I replaced the Bridgestone Potenza S007s that were the OEM tire on my Nissan 370Z sport coupe 6M with a set of these PS4Ss and I noticed that the steering feels vaguer and less precise than the with the Potenzas. It seems to me as if the sidewalls of the Michelins are less stiff and are geared towards higher levels of comfort and less noise. Do you get a similar impression with these tires in comparison to other Max Performance tires?