I've read somewhere that Adi Gallia used red specifically because at the time the jedi believed the sith have been extinct for 1000 years and that believing a lightsaber was "evil" just because it was red was ridiculous. Also, she switched to blue because the Sith returned and she didn't want to be confused as one. Can't remember where I read that, though.
I remember that, too. I first saw her in the Phantom Menace game where you can choose which hero to use, and she had a red one. I also thought Plo Koon had a yellow one because game.
I use it just diffrent meaning we use something along the lines we are all blue so you make fun of your selves if you make fun of someone else same goes for other students trust me people use more than you think just diffrent phrases and meanings
Looking at Sharad Hett, as a Jedi he was the poster boy for the Jedi Peacekeeper. He had so many titles and achieved so much good in the pursuit of justice. And for Hett that mindset didn’t really change when he became a Tusken Raider. He saw their raids as a just act because their natural resources were being taken by people who were not from Tatooine. Somewhere between his heroic acts of a Jedi and the loss of his family and self imposed exile, something changed inside him. Perhaps the dark side affected him more than he realised, turning his universal sense of justice in an almost personal vendetta to rally to the disparate Tusken tribes into a larger singular army to fight back against the settlers. And as a Tusken, both he and A’Sharad would quickly learn the harsh reality of surviving the unforgiving sands of Tatooine. Perhaps it is from that primal need to survive that turned their crystals red (more so A’Sharad since his father already had a red blade) and as is said in the video, time is of the essence for a nomadic tribe always on the move. I like the idea that the red blade for a Jedi represents justice achieved through (almost) any means necessary. Like Jedi who wield purple blades are said to walk the line between the light and dark sides, I believe that Jedi with red blades walk a fine line between justice and vengeance.
I have an idea for another ranking video: Clone Wars era Jedi who showed a high degree of physical resilience such as K’kruhk, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Quinlan Vos, etc
@@iceomistar4302 its rumored he even survived the purge of the mouse. If you listen closely, you can still hear him smashing the helmets of clone troopers together
When it comes to the lightsaber crystals I prefer the Legends version of the crystals. In the young Jedi novels that follow the Solo twins and their friends. how each of them find crystals that call to them and none of them are Kiber crystals. hell Lowbaca's is from a computer console in the old rebel base on Yavin 4 and its a molten bronze in color.
"Basically the Star Wars setting analogue to Draco Malfoy." Jensaarai1 that is actually so brilliant. And in general, these fire side discussions are so much fun to listen to.
Interesting discussion. As you said, I think the Jedi who use red lightsabers are more pragmatic as one would expect a Jedi to be given how they are supposed to be detached from emotion. One topic that I would like to see you and Jen discuss is the character of Kreia from KOTOR II. I think she is fascinating and I'd love to hear the two of you talk about her.
Again I did comment about something like this in the "Sith That didn't use Red Lightsabers" video but Krayt Pear's can be found in blue, green, red, white, and black. So in theory, if you had a red Krayt Pearl logic dictates that the pearl should produce a red plasma blade in a Lightsaber or a black Krayt Pearl should make a black plasma blade. To make it clear there is no Expanded Universe lore to back up the claims here. Regardless, I do enjoy thinking that the Hett son and dad duo were originally using red Krayt Pearls because of the religious importance Krayt Pearl's have in Tusken society.
I’ve been watching you since i was in 2nd grade Evan and I’ve never once regretted it. Because of you I went from casual Star Wars fan to Star Wars legends nerd . I’m 18 and in college and even now every time I watch one your videos it brings a smile to my face. Thank you for all your hard work.
So glad you are still making videos Evan, you and the Council Forcecast are one of the main reasons why I love the EU and why I am giving a shot at being a SW youtuber. Just wanted to give you guys a shout out and keep up the good work! Also, don't have to answer this, but what happened to the Council and the Fanalysis channel? Once again, thank you Evan and thank you Jensaarai1 for championing the survival of the EU, me and many others do really appreciate it.
Rewatching this video got me thinking how the three main practitioners of Vaapad appeared to approach the form differently just by looking at their lightsabers. Firstly you have Mace Windu, who is primarily uses a purple blade (a colour that is a combination of blue and red) but also uses a blue crystal. The purple crystal working for him because of his own inner darkness. Then you have Sora Bulq who used blue lightsabers throughout his entire career and only using red once he fully committed himself to the dark side. Finally there is Depa Billaba who uses a red lightsaber with the crystal as a focal point for the dark side so that she can better use Vaapad, using the red crystal in times of more “aggressive negotiations” while also switching over to her green crystal on other occasions. By the time of Shatterpoint her fall to the dark side means that the red crystal is no longer required so she is able to fully embrace and utilise Vaapad.
TLDW: Jedi with red blades were mostly before George Lucas’s mandate that Jedi wield green/blue lightsabers while sith use red blades. Most red blade wielding Jedi were retconned to the more traditional colours
@@sithstalker7499 that's been explained multiple times by now. Basically he's so fast and strong that most Jedi are forced to use all their focus in the fight and in enhancing their reflexes and physical abilities, because if they lose focus for half a second Grievous has already gutted them. If you're sufficiently powerful and skilled you can split your focus and actually force crush him, but the only guys capable of that are people like Sidious, Yoda and Windu.
Like the idea, but I’m inclined to agree with the others. Greivious probably wins. Lumiya’s not one to instantly bust out the force powers like Sidious and Vitiate would. Which is what is needed to stop him. Shoot even Mace, and Dooku did this and they’re guardians.
@@sithstalker7499 Also, mace only force crushed grievous because moments before, mace fought grievous in a duel and grievous pressured mace enough and dragged the fight on that his computers analyzed and copied a close approximation of vaapad. Mace decided "fuck that" and didn't want grievous to copy any more of his technique so he force crushed him.
The common reason for these Jedi to use red blades and the varied reasons for the Sith Lords who didn't wield red blades is rather symbolic if you think about it: With the non-red Sith having so many reasons for their blade differences, it plays into the trap that the Sith fall into: Infighting. For all we know, with The Galaxy being so large and with thousands of years of war, there may have been two or more Sith who disagreed so much as to why not to use a red-bladed lightsaber that one of them ended up killing the other. By contrast, the Jedi who _did_ use red-bladed lightsabers, as you pointed out, seemed to all have a single, unifying reason to do so, showing that for all their flaws, particularly near the end of their heyday, the Jedi would still look out for each other and stand as one. If my name seems familiar, it's because I comment sometimes on the Fanalysis reviews on the Harry Potter chapters, typically giving insight and Fridge Brilliance from TV Tropes.
Coincidentally, I was watching one of the Republic comic discussions on Fanalysis earlier today where you guys discussed this with the example of A'sharad Hett.
@@EvanNova95 on the topic of Fanalysis, I'm guessing that the reason for Episode 9 being the last Star Wars discussion video you guys did has something to do with the unfortunate circumstances that have derailed everything this year. Either way, it's really unfortunate as some of those videos encouraged me to start exploring Legends deeper than I had previously with stuff like the Dark Lord Trilogy last year. Getting the Clone Wars Omnibuses for Christmas and my Birthday last year helped get my love for Star Wars back after I was incredibly underwhelmed by Rise of Skywalker and hated most of the film. I think those Omnibuses contain some of my favourite comics in all of Star Wars and they make me wish I was old enough to enjoy the prime of the expanded universe as content came out. I'm also thinking of trying to get the classic Thrawn Trilogy by this Christmas.
HOLY SHIT!!! i used to watch your channel for years man, almost every morning on the way to school id be watching one of your videos. i finally found your channel again in my recommended after searching for a good good 2 months, to see the channel still up and going 😁
I've always thought that the Jedi's restrictions on lightsaber color became somewhat lax because they believed the Sith were believed to be extinct and that those who carried red sabers switched back after the Order learned from Obi-Wan that they were back.
I remember in this fanficton me and my friends wrote a few years ago there was a jedi and a sith who's lightsaber hilts looked the same and they switched weapons several times because of them dropping their weapons. AT the end the Jedi used the red and the sith used the blue
Regarding crystals the tuskans would have had access to, what about krayt dragon pearls? Surely a Jedi would be able to best one and have access to the pearl. ( Sorry about my spelling it's been a hot minute since I've played old republic.)
The people have requested and here it is! Been looking forward to this! Another problem I have with the "Kyber Crystals" is why isn't there more diverse colors shown during Geonosis? Since individuals are diverse and the crystals are supposed to change color based on the state of the force and personality of the force user by how the Kyber Crystals work we should be seeing a whole range of colors. Legends had a perfect explanation as to why we mostly just saw blues and greens.
I do find that to be one of the biggest arguments against Kyber crystals. I have to wonder if the people who spoke to George at length on the nature of the Jedi discussed their lightsabers and the philosophy behind them.
If you say they're supposed to change color due to the mood for lack of a better term how can you say that the greens and blues weren't for bravery or kind of like a rally a few of the jedi genuinely thought that the sight of so many lightsabers would cause the enemy to surrender
That's why I feel like a lot of the new canon contradicts some things we already saw in other canon material. Like, I kind of rationalize the dominance of the dominance of and green and blue lightsabers by saying that by the time of the fall of the Republic, the order was almost exclusively relying on Ilum as a source of saber crystals, which probably only had blue and green in vast quantities. This is why other colors, like the purple of Mace Windu's saber and the yellow of Rey's by the time of RoS are exceedingly rare so you'd have to go out of your way to get something else. As for the red crystals, they can either be created synthetically through the dark side or made from former Jedi crystals through bleeding. I kind of like both and feel like they could coexist. Perhaps in times where the sith order was larger and needed more crystals, synthetic crystals could be used for the masses of apprentices, dark Jedi, and later sith inquisitors, while the sith lords needed to bleed a crystal they had taken from a Jedi to forge a true sith lightsaber.
YeSsssSsS!! I looove this channel, been watching for almost 10 years now I think, it's been a long time, I miss these collabs with Jensaari!, actually his username is the reason I know what a Jensaari is, and I love his channel too! FOR THE EMPIRE!
A shame Adi Gallia got wasted in TCW, she was always so interesting to me. Her TPM figure was always one of my favorites. i still have it and to this day i prefer the TPM figures of Jedi with their unique lightsabers like Saesee Tiin's purple bladed, black hilted saber, Plo Koon's yellow blade or Ki Adi Mundi's purple one. Great video!
I would love to see Bane and Zannah VS Kyle and Jaden with Jen doing bane and Zannah and nova doing Kyle and Jaden. My 2 favorite Sith VS my 2 favorite Jedi in the EU
JensaaraiOne is my second-favorite creator of the VS series. You are number one, Evan. Thanks to you, I know that Sidious would defeat Emperor Vitiate without question.
With the Hetts, there are a few different crystals available on tatooine. If you keep the lore from SWTOR in mind, there are multiple facilities on tatooine that were owned by the sith empire, and multiple facilities that were established by the infinite empire of the Rakata, so it would be reasonable to assume that synthetic crystals would be somewhere there, or at least the equipment to make them, though the Rakata used Orange crystals. Even beyond that, there are Krayt Dragon Pearls, which tend to provide a green blade but sometimes also provide them in other colors like white or purple. There are also of course plenty of natural minerals and gemstone mines, though there is no history of those having much in the way of the force. But then Lambent crystals were used in the post yuuzhan-vong war era, so that's not neccessarily a barrier.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Saba beats Urr on the basis of physical strength and lightsaber skill, also equivalent power to him in the Force (she was able to ragdoll Kenth Hamner, an acting Grandmaster in the NJO). Also manhandles Karkko pretty decisively, as her sensory powers render his illusions moot and his other Force abilities aren't shit compared to higher-ranking members of the NJO (who she routinely spars with). There is not enough on Hoth to use him for a versus matchup, I don't care what Evan has said in the past. Just go watch Greyjedi91's rebuttal.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I agree that Hamner was a poor choice, but any of the higher-ranking NJO members compare favorably to the Clone Wars-era Council. He might be on the lower end of that scale and isn't beating Windu or Kenobi anytime soon, but the NJO is pound for pound the most powerful iteration of the Jedi Order extant in Legends on the basis of experience, training and knowledge.
Except for black holes being moved around by jedi and vitiate and how despite their being a billions planet destroyers somehow theres still habitable planets
@@Akbar_and_Shaa no those just add more to the overall story and gives actual credence to the power that is the force. It shows that Jedi and with in legends are much more powerful then we ever believed, and until Disney came along was the mainstream canon. Perhaps your reasoning for disliking such power is how often it’s used or the deviation from skill and swordsman ship to planet busting power. But I find that it adds more personally. It is widely known that force users even sith almost always hold back in terms of power for the Jedi to avoid casualties, and for the sith to protect themselves from their own power. Also if any powerful sith went around destroying planets non stop there wouldn’t be much of a reason to be a sith anymore, which is why most of them don’t. If they do gain something out of it however then they most definitely will destroy it. Like with darth nialus and his constant planet surface destruction for his hunger
I recall Adi Galia once saying she used a red crystal because she thought it was pretty and she switched it out so as not to be confused for a Sith once they returned. I don't recall the name of the comic that's from.
@@DanieleMulas-up7np I think Kao would win, but not easily of course. Both are masters of Forms I-VII and juggle between them very effectively. Kas’im’s paired sabers does give him more fighting options, but I doubt it would give him an edge. After all, Darach used and defended against Jar’Kai in the swtor trailer. Kao probably gets a slight edge as a Force user since he’s a bit more willing to incorporate Telekinetic attacks in his technique. But the question is, can he penetrate Kas’im’s Force wall?
When I was reading my dad’s old marvel Star Wars comics, Luke’s lightsaber was red. There was also this one blind bounty who used a green lightsaber, can’t remember he’s name.
I think the majority of these could be written off as simple inconsistencies, I'm afraid. In fact, I can almost guarantee that you two put more thought into this than the respective creators did. Respect to you guys for keeping it real.
Saba Sebatyne definetely needs to be featured more in Versus videos, same for Adi and Even. Also, 18:15 , Connor are you trying to say something ? Ferus would be another welcome addition
Kenobi used one of Asaaj Ventress' red light sabers during the clone wars cartoon i think in season 4 during a fight with Savage Opress and Darth Maul.
Actually Agen Kolar changed his saber to blue using the saber crystal of his deceased Padawan to honour his memory. So not a duel-phase saber. Still, great video :)
AWESOME video! Thanks for sharing this with us. Personally I always assumed Luke gave Leia a red lightsabre as a way to help her get over her issues with being Vader's child. Classic "turn a negative into a positive" type of thing.
Talking about the Hetts, I believe it's said somewhere Krayt Dragon Pearls can be used as lightsaber focusing crystals, with the area being Tatooine, the cultural significance of Krayt Dragons to Tuskan hunters and the fact that A'sharad becomes Darth Krayt, if the color could be explained, the use of the pearls would make perfect sense for Tuskan Jedi.
If you could find the time, I'd appreciate a video on Beilert Valance. That terminator looking dude sounds like a cool character and I'm so surprised not many know about him.
Some honorable mentions would be Cal Kestis and Obi-Wan Kenobi himself, but only in a technicality, as Cal is just a NG+ exclusive customization option that's basicly 100% non-cannon and Obi-Wan was just using one of Asajj Ventress' Lightsabers when he didn't have access to his when fighting alongside her against Darth Maul and Savage Opress in Clone Wars
@Shaun Welch Ahsoka Tano uses two white lightsabers in the Rebels TV series. In short, she took two red crystals from an Inquisitor (dark Jedi) and "healed" them. There is also an old guy in the Clone Wars series who has one.
Okay so this might be me hearing things but the background music around about the start reminds me of the background music in assassin's Creed brotherhood when Desmond is going through the medieval sewers
Rewatching for nostalgia and I just noticed he referred to Jensaarai1 as another "creature" instead of another human as a reference to the previous video
I once read a pretty well-made SW OC Jedi character’s backstory on Reddit, who had a red lightsaber. By way of the current canon, it was stated that during a duel with an unnamed Sith Acolyte, the OC in question was wounded so severely yet refused to stop fighting that all of the emotion he felt in the duel was poured into his previously green lightsaber, turning it red. I thought it made a lot of sense.
That's new Disney canon's take on the lightsaber crystals. Sith in Disney canon pour their emotions into the crystal to make them red. Sith in the EU and Legends made synthetic crystals
You missed one, Evan. Jax Pavan wielded a red lightsaber in Coruscant Nights III: Patterns of the Force, and is implied to have used it further into his career. It’s even stated that the lightsaber had belonged to Aurra Sing herself.
Reti4 has been struck this past year with some pretty heavy life and work related issues which has prevented him from making more content. Fortunately things are starting to clear up and I know he wants to get back into the saddle soon.
@@EvanNova95 With the release of Season 7 of the clone wars series has your opinion of Maul as an overall combatant changed with regards to the crazy force abilities he used? Been wondering for ages so thought I'd ask the main guy!
As far as Luke's shoto, I view it as a contribution to Yoda and Anakin. Luke has seen his father as Vader using a red crystal and the shoto, even though Luke has never seen him use a lightsaber, it would make sense for Yoda to use a shoto due to his height. It was practical in the moment, but Luke has always been effected by what I refer to as a Master's influence, and Luke has it by three different individuals. So using a red blade for Luke kinda makes sense
4:07 Wow, after all the times I've seen that movie, I did not know that. Very interesting. You would think that that would be one of the things they would change with all of these new editions and changes and shit to the re-releases of the films. 4:22 I thought that was Eeth Koth in AOTC which was why it was previously revealed that he died in the clone gunship you see be shot down on-screen before TCW retconned that. 9:50 I guess I hadn't looked too deeply into that passage or mistook that passage to be attributing to when A'Sharad returned to Tatooine without realizing that he did it sometime later. And I do find that to be a pretty major retcon. In my headcanon, I like to think that he had multiple crystals much like Ki-Adi Mundi did in AOTC where he would use green crystals some of the time and red crystals other times. 13:31 I have both of those figures. I don't know if I want to get Adi Gallia though, but I think it would be good to have that unique figure with the red lightsaber as a way to reflect on her comic book appearances with it. Also I could've sworn that I've seen a Dark Empire Leia figure with a red lightsaber as well. I could be mistaken.
I made some synthetic crystals the primary colors were black , red , green and white . The order of colors is also the order for how much and how hard they were .
Probably a hot take but I prefer the way canon has handled lightsaber crystals. They are more connected to the force and their user, and through the force they project the color of the user. Dark side users corrupt their crystals by using the force.
@@lapplandkun9273 I never said that, I said I prefer the lore they established around one specific thing (lightsaber crystals) and how they explained it in Star Wars.
@@shookistheblaine8521 Oh, I apologize. Im not accusing you of liking the new canon's take on the lightsaber crystals. Im just asking if you prefer them over legends. Which is fine. If you like them, that's fine. I apologize if my question came off of accusatory
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“Darth Vader used an organic crystal towards the end of his career” he says career like he retired
Can't keep working if you're dead
@@region7rra881 technically yes you are no longer eligible for employment after death
I mean force ghost is retirement for force wielders from a certain point of view
Also these people are talking specifically about legends not so much cannon
More like “Forced” retirement 😏
Been watching this guy since i was 8 I’m 16 about to be 17 now. Thanks for all the good memories
Sorry Evan Ive actually been watching since I was 9 all most 10 I just looked back at some old videos of your and realized my math was a bit off
@@samuelbumgardner5518 You should probably just list that as an addendum to your first comment.
It's comments like this that make it all worth it. This is the first time I'm ever watching this channel and seeing the comment just made me smile 🧡
Same bro, I’ve been watching since the lightsaber color meanings video, been hooked since
That’s sad that many of your good memories are online.
I wonder if a red lightsaber is the padawan equivalent of a goth phase.
Probably more emo than goth
“It’s not a phase Master!”
"It's not just a phase. It's a dual-phase!"
Lmao
Yes.
I've read somewhere that Adi Gallia used red specifically because at the time the jedi believed the sith have been extinct for 1000 years and that believing a lightsaber was "evil" just because it was red was ridiculous. Also, she switched to blue because the Sith returned and she didn't want to be confused as one. Can't remember where I read that, though.
I remember that, too. I first saw her in the Phantom Menace game where you can choose which hero to use, and she had a red one. I also thought Plo Koon had a yellow one because game.
I read somewhere that she chose it because of what happened to her family...might have been the CCG card of her lightsaber...
To paraphrase the great Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.; "Judge not a man by the color of his lightsaber,but by the content of his character..."
Very famous quote, wish people used it more.
I use it just diffrent meaning we use something along the lines we are all blue so you make fun of your selves if you make fun of someone else same goes for other students trust me people use more than you think just diffrent phrases and meanings
@@SaiKisaragi I wish people DID this more.
Yeah!
So true it depends on the wielder actions.
When it came to the red lightsabers of Sharad Hett and Asharad Hett my head Cannon was they were using red Krayyt Dragon pearls in their lightsabers.
Do red krayt dragon pearls exist in legends?
@@r.cdahuman7682 Yes in Legends they could be found in Red,Blue,Green,Black,and White
@@allenyork3239 imma lore whore, and this is new to me. Interesting to say the least.
@@r.cdahuman7682 It's always interesting to learn something new because it means there is still more to learn
@@r.cdahuman7682
Yeah man it’s in KOTOR for a mission
Looking at Sharad Hett, as a Jedi he was the poster boy for the Jedi Peacekeeper. He had so many titles and achieved so much good in the pursuit of justice. And for Hett that mindset didn’t really change when he became a Tusken Raider. He saw their raids as a just act because their natural resources were being taken by people who were not from Tatooine. Somewhere between his heroic acts of a Jedi and the loss of his family and self imposed exile, something changed inside him. Perhaps the dark side affected him more than he realised, turning his universal sense of justice in an almost personal vendetta to rally to the disparate Tusken tribes into a larger singular army to fight back against the settlers. And as a Tusken, both he and A’Sharad would quickly learn the harsh reality of surviving the unforgiving sands of Tatooine. Perhaps it is from that primal need to survive that turned their crystals red (more so A’Sharad since his father already had a red blade) and as is said in the video, time is of the essence for a nomadic tribe always on the move.
I like the idea that the red blade for a Jedi represents justice achieved through (almost) any means necessary. Like Jedi who wield purple blades are said to walk the line between the light and dark sides, I believe that Jedi with red blades walk a fine line between justice and vengeance.
I have an idea for another ranking video: Clone Wars era Jedi who showed a high degree of physical resilience such as K’kruhk, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Quinlan Vos, etc
K'kruhk as long as he has his hat will survive anything.
@@iceomistar4302 its rumored he even survived the purge of the mouse. If you listen closely, you can still hear him smashing the helmets of clone troopers together
When it comes to the lightsaber crystals I prefer the Legends version of the crystals. In the young Jedi novels that follow the Solo twins and their friends. how each of them find crystals that call to them and none of them are Kiber crystals. hell Lowbaca's is from a computer console in the old rebel base on Yavin 4 and its a molten bronze in color.
Legends is superior
Disney canon for crystals is stupid. Like the crystals colour can change based on how u feel? So dumb
@@spongederp160 yeah, that one is kinda dumb, but synthetic and learning to bleed a crystal in original cannon is pretty cool
@@jackojoyanimations Bleeding a crystal is dumb too, it means that red crystals are restricted to dark side usage
@@spongederp160 well the crystals are alive, it is how they choose you
I never realized that Ki-adi's blade color changed during the collosiuem battle. Interesting.
It's just a mistake on the production side of things. It's only one shot where he has a green one.
Twice the Evan, Double the Jen!
“Hello RUclips!”
This is where the fun begins.
Wish I had some popcorn with me!
@@ironinquisitor3656 Same.
"Basically the Star Wars setting analogue to Draco Malfoy."
Jensaarai1 that is actually so brilliant.
And in general, these fire side discussions are so much fun to listen to.
I listen to them all the time while drawing.
I've been looking forward to this
My powers have doubled since the last time we met, count.
@@theunknownguy5775 good twice the pride double the fall
Your moves are clumsy, Kenobi...too predictable. You’ll have to do better.
@@goroakechi6126 rots novelization reference i see . Very nice a man of culture
Interesting discussion. As you said, I think the Jedi who use red lightsabers are more pragmatic as one would expect a Jedi to be given how they are supposed to be detached from emotion. One topic that I would like to see you and Jen discuss is the character of Kreia from KOTOR II. I think she is fascinating and I'd love to hear the two of you talk about her.
Again I did comment about something like this in the "Sith That didn't use Red Lightsabers" video but Krayt Pear's can be found in blue, green, red, white, and black. So in theory, if you had a red Krayt Pearl logic dictates that the pearl should produce a red plasma blade in a Lightsaber or a black Krayt Pearl should make a black plasma blade. To make it clear there is no Expanded Universe lore to back up the claims here. Regardless, I do enjoy thinking that the Hett son and dad duo were originally using red Krayt Pearls because of the religious importance Krayt Pearl's have in Tusken society.
This is the only video longer than 7 minutes on this topic I could find.
Thank you for detail and length.
I like how evan learned from his previous video and says "creature" rather than "human being"
I’ve been watching you since i was in 2nd grade Evan and I’ve never once regretted it. Because of you I went from casual Star Wars fan to Star Wars legends nerd . I’m 18 and in college and even now every time I watch one your videos it brings a smile to my face. Thank you for all your hard work.
I just wanna say thanks, your lightsaber video is literally what introduced me to the Expanded Universe
I’m sorry but I’m a bit old school when it comes to Star Wars so the fact that you brought out the old books for references makes me happy. Thank you.
So glad you are still making videos Evan, you and the Council Forcecast are one of the main reasons why I love the EU and why I am giving a shot at being a SW youtuber. Just wanted to give you guys a shout out and keep up the good work!
Also, don't have to answer this, but what happened to the Council and the Fanalysis channel?
Once again, thank you Evan and thank you Jensaarai1 for championing the survival of the EU, me and many others do really appreciate it.
Rewatching this video got me thinking how the three main practitioners of Vaapad appeared to approach the form differently just by looking at their lightsabers. Firstly you have Mace Windu, who is primarily uses a purple blade (a colour that is a combination of blue and red) but also uses a blue crystal. The purple crystal working for him because of his own inner darkness. Then you have Sora Bulq who used blue lightsabers throughout his entire career and only using red once he fully committed himself to the dark side. Finally there is Depa Billaba who uses a red lightsaber with the crystal as a focal point for the dark side so that she can better use Vaapad, using the red crystal in times of more “aggressive negotiations” while also switching over to her green crystal on other occasions. By the time of Shatterpoint her fall to the dark side means that the red crystal is no longer required so she is able to fully embrace and utilise Vaapad.
TLDW: Jedi with red blades were mostly before George Lucas’s mandate that Jedi wield green/blue lightsabers while sith use red blades. Most red blade wielding Jedi were retconned to the more traditional colours
Seeing a new Evan video made my day!
I just came up with a versus video idea a few days ago and thought it could be interesting
General Grevious (Legends obviously) Vs Lumyia.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner How come jedi can't just force crush Grievous?
@@sithstalker7499 that's been explained multiple times by now. Basically he's so fast and strong that most Jedi are forced to use all their focus in the fight and in enhancing their reflexes and physical abilities, because if they lose focus for half a second Grievous has already gutted them.
If you're sufficiently powerful and skilled you can split your focus and actually force crush him, but the only guys capable of that are people like Sidious, Yoda and Windu.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner So could Sidious force crush Grievous since he's so powerful?
Like the idea, but I’m inclined to agree with the others. Greivious probably wins. Lumiya’s not one to instantly bust out the force powers like Sidious and Vitiate would. Which is what is needed to stop him.
Shoot even Mace, and Dooku did this and they’re guardians.
@@sithstalker7499 Also, mace only force crushed grievous because moments before, mace fought grievous in a duel and grievous pressured mace enough and dragged the fight on that his computers analyzed and copied a close approximation of vaapad. Mace decided "fuck that" and didn't want grievous to copy any more of his technique so he force crushed him.
Criminally underrated someone call the authorities this man needs more subs lmao
The common reason for these Jedi to use red blades and the varied reasons for the Sith Lords who didn't wield red blades is rather symbolic if you think about it: With the non-red Sith having so many reasons for their blade differences, it plays into the trap that the Sith fall into: Infighting. For all we know, with The Galaxy being so large and with thousands of years of war, there may have been two or more Sith who disagreed so much as to why not to use a red-bladed lightsaber that one of them ended up killing the other. By contrast, the Jedi who _did_ use red-bladed lightsabers, as you pointed out, seemed to all have a single, unifying reason to do so, showing that for all their flaws, particularly near the end of their heyday, the Jedi would still look out for each other and stand as one.
If my name seems familiar, it's because I comment sometimes on the Fanalysis reviews on the Harry Potter chapters, typically giving insight and Fridge Brilliance from TV Tropes.
Tell me your down bad without telling me your down bad
…What?
idc nobody recognizes you
The return of the king
I knew I wasn't going crazy - I can hear the AC: Brotherhood soundtrack in the background!
I wonder if they would consider an ac versus match, I think it would be really cool and nice change of pace
Coincidentally, I was watching one of the Republic comic discussions on Fanalysis earlier today where you guys discussed this with the example of A'sharad Hett.
The Force works in mysterious ways. :)
@@EvanNova95 on the topic of Fanalysis, I'm guessing that the reason for Episode 9 being the last Star Wars discussion video you guys did has something to do with the unfortunate circumstances that have derailed everything this year. Either way, it's really unfortunate as some of those videos encouraged me to start exploring Legends deeper than I had previously with stuff like the Dark Lord Trilogy last year. Getting the Clone Wars Omnibuses for Christmas and my Birthday last year helped get my love for Star Wars back after I was incredibly underwhelmed by Rise of Skywalker and hated most of the film. I think those Omnibuses contain some of my favourite comics in all of Star Wars and they make me wish I was old enough to enjoy the prime of the expanded universe as content came out. I'm also thinking of trying to get the classic Thrawn Trilogy by this Christmas.
Been a subscriber for about 6 years now, so glad I did.
HOLY SHIT!!! i used to watch your channel for years man, almost every morning on the way to school id be watching one of your videos. i finally found your channel again in my recommended after searching for a good good 2 months, to see the channel still up and going 😁
I've always thought that the Jedi's restrictions on lightsaber color became somewhat lax because they believed the Sith were believed to be extinct and that those who carried red sabers switched back after the Order learned from Obi-Wan that they were back.
My dude, I remember watching you back when I was little, I'm 16 now and I'm glad to see you're still at it.
18:18 Jen, are you trying to tease us with something ?
I remember in this fanficton me and my friends wrote a few years ago there was a jedi and a sith who's lightsaber hilts looked the same and they switched weapons several times because of them dropping their weapons. AT the end the Jedi used the red and the sith used the blue
Regarding crystals the tuskans would have had access to, what about krayt dragon pearls? Surely a Jedi would be able to best one and have access to the pearl. ( Sorry about my spelling it's been a hot minute since I've played old republic.)
The people have requested and here it is! Been looking forward to this! Another problem I have with the "Kyber Crystals" is why isn't there more diverse colors shown during Geonosis? Since individuals are diverse and the crystals are supposed to change color based on the state of the force and personality of the force user by how the Kyber Crystals work we should be seeing a whole range of colors. Legends had a perfect explanation as to why we mostly just saw blues and greens.
I do find that to be one of the biggest arguments against Kyber crystals. I have to wonder if the people who spoke to George at length on the nature of the Jedi discussed their lightsabers and the philosophy behind them.
If you say they're supposed to change color due to the mood for lack of a better term how can you say that the greens and blues weren't for bravery or kind of like a rally a few of the jedi genuinely thought that the sight of so many lightsabers would cause the enemy to surrender
@@JohnSmith-li6mn That's an interesting way of looking at it lol.
That's why I feel like a lot of the new canon contradicts some things we already saw in other canon material. Like, I kind of rationalize the dominance of the dominance of and green and blue lightsabers by saying that by the time of the fall of the Republic, the order was almost exclusively relying on Ilum as a source of saber crystals, which probably only had blue and green in vast quantities. This is why other colors, like the purple of Mace Windu's saber and the yellow of Rey's by the time of RoS are exceedingly rare so you'd have to go out of your way to get something else.
As for the red crystals, they can either be created synthetically through the dark side or made from former Jedi crystals through bleeding. I kind of like both and feel like they could coexist. Perhaps in times where the sith order was larger and needed more crystals, synthetic crystals could be used for the masses of apprentices, dark Jedi, and later sith inquisitors, while the sith lords needed to bleed a crystal they had taken from a Jedi to forge a true sith lightsaber.
YeSsssSsS!! I looove this channel, been watching for almost 10 years now I think, it's been a long time, I miss these collabs with Jensaari!, actually his username is the reason I know what a Jensaari is, and I love his channel too! FOR THE EMPIRE!
The legend is back
Im so happy you guys made this video, thank you!
A shame Adi Gallia got wasted in TCW, she was always so interesting to me. Her TPM figure was always one of my favorites. i still have it and to this day i prefer the TPM figures of Jedi with their unique lightsabers like Saesee Tiin's purple bladed, black hilted saber, Plo Koon's yellow blade or Ki Adi Mundi's purple one. Great video!
Great video. I always enjoy your videos, Evan. This is the passion that makes the Star Wars fandom so much fun.
I would love to see Bane and Zannah VS Kyle and Jaden with Jen doing bane and Zannah and nova doing Kyle and Jaden.
My 2 favorite Sith VS my 2 favorite Jedi in the EU
Dude that would be awesome!!!!
Would totally love to see a vs series match between those two teams.
JensaaraiOne is my second-favorite creator of the VS series. You are number one, Evan. Thanks to you, I know that Sidious would defeat Emperor Vitiate without question.
With the Hetts, there are a few different crystals available on tatooine. If you keep the lore from SWTOR in mind, there are multiple facilities on tatooine that were owned by the sith empire, and multiple facilities that were established by the infinite empire of the Rakata, so it would be reasonable to assume that synthetic crystals would be somewhere there, or at least the equipment to make them, though the Rakata used Orange crystals. Even beyond that, there are Krayt Dragon Pearls, which tend to provide a green blade but sometimes also provide them in other colors like white or purple. There are also of course plenty of natural minerals and gemstone mines, though there is no history of those having much in the way of the force. But then Lambent crystals were used in the post yuuzhan-vong war era, so that's not neccessarily a barrier.
What a breath of fresh air to hear about synthetic crystals again after only hearing about the bleeding of crystals for the last 5 years...
Are you considering featuring Saba Sebatyne in versus series?
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I think Saba vs Kkruhk would be a cool matchup
@@exarkun42 Saba stomps the shit out of K'kruhk with the possible exception of his Legacy iteration. Even then, my chips are on her.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner Saba beats Urr on the basis of physical strength and lightsaber skill, also equivalent power to him in the Force (she was able to ragdoll Kenth Hamner, an acting Grandmaster in the NJO).
Also manhandles Karkko pretty decisively, as her sensory powers render his illusions moot and his other Force abilities aren't shit compared to higher-ranking members of the NJO (who she routinely spars with).
There is not enough on Hoth to use him for a versus matchup, I don't care what Evan has said in the past. Just go watch Greyjedi91's rebuttal.
@Wes Bradley-Taubner I agree that Hamner was a poor choice, but any of the higher-ranking NJO members compare favorably to the Clone Wars-era Council. He might be on the lower end of that scale and isn't beating Windu or Kenobi anytime soon, but the NJO is pound for pound the most powerful iteration of the Jedi Order extant in Legends on the basis of experience, training and knowledge.
Legends > Cannon
of course man
I prefer Legends
Except for black holes being moved around by jedi and vitiate and how despite their being a billions planet destroyers somehow theres still habitable planets
@@Akbar_and_Shaa no those just add more to the overall story and gives actual credence to the power that is the force. It shows that Jedi and with in legends are much more powerful then we ever believed, and until Disney came along was the mainstream canon. Perhaps your reasoning for disliking such power is how often it’s used or the deviation from skill and swordsman ship to planet busting power. But I find that it adds more personally. It is widely known that force users even sith almost always hold back in terms of power for the Jedi to avoid casualties, and for the sith to protect themselves from their own power. Also if any powerful sith went around destroying planets non stop there wouldn’t be much of a reason to be a sith anymore, which is why most of them don’t. If they do gain something out of it however then they most definitely will destroy it. Like with darth nialus and his constant planet surface destruction for his hunger
*canon
You should do another video like this talking about Jedi that used force lightning/electric judgement.
and exclude rey, or just add her as a joke
Would you be willing to do an episode comparing Jedi council members from the prequels? Love your videos! So thorough.
I would use a red blade, even as a jedi, it's my favourite colour.
I've been looking forward to this!
I recall Adi Galia once saying she used a red crystal because she thought it was pretty and she switched it out so as not to be confused for a Sith once they returned. I don't recall the name of the comic that's from.
I think kasim deserves to get a versus series video .Interesting matchups for kasim would be saba sebatyne , plo koon or corran horn
Jensaarai is working on it. Ka'sim VS Kao Cen Darach
@@DanieleMulas-up7np oh that's great . This is better than the ones that i recommended
@@DanieleMulas-up7np I think Kao would win, but not easily of course. Both are masters of Forms I-VII and juggle between them very effectively. Kas’im’s paired sabers does give him more fighting options, but I doubt it would give him an edge. After all, Darach used and defended against Jar’Kai in the swtor trailer. Kao probably gets a slight edge as a Force user since he’s a bit more willing to incorporate Telekinetic attacks in his technique. But the question is, can he penetrate Kas’im’s Force wall?
All three would beat Ka'sim. Plo would probably be his closest match of the choices you listed.
@@wristofkings maybe he would stand a better chance in lightsabers only . He would probably beat plo and maybe saba . Corran would defeat him though
When I was reading my dad’s old marvel Star Wars comics, Luke’s lightsaber was red. There was also this one blind bounty who used a green lightsaber, can’t remember he’s name.
You talking about Orman Tagge?
@@sonofluke3172 yes, thanks man.
I think the majority of these could be written off as simple inconsistencies, I'm afraid. In fact, I can almost guarantee that you two put more thought into this than the respective creators did. Respect to you guys for keeping it real.
"I think the majority of these could be written off as simple inconsistencies, I'm afraid."
Sure we COULD do that but where's the fun in it?
Nope. Pretty sure they were retcons.
@@Wright805 Absolutely!
@@lapplandkun9273 Which part in particular are you referring to?
Oddly satisfying and nostalgic to see that your intro has stayed exactly the same after all this time
Never heard of natural red crystals being in tune with the dark side. They're just red.
Saba Sebatyne definetely needs to be featured more in Versus videos, same for Adi and Even. Also, 18:15 , Connor are you trying to say something ? Ferus would be another welcome addition
Kenobi used one of Asaaj Ventress' red light sabers during the clone wars cartoon i think in season 4 during a fight with Savage Opress and Darth Maul.
There has to a sequal of non force wielders that use lightsabers
Yes!
Jedi who don't use lightsabers as well.
Didn't Sabine use a lightsaber against the deathwatch dude?
@@CupcakeKitty yeah, Sabine used Ezra's saber to duel Gar Saxon, who had taken the darksaber. Saxon was an imperial tho, not death watch
Actually Agen Kolar changed his saber to blue using the saber crystal of his deceased Padawan to honour his memory. So not a duel-phase saber. Still, great video :)
13:25 Star Wars legacy collection Jaina Solo action figure also comes with red lightsaber
AWESOME video! Thanks for sharing this with us.
Personally I always assumed Luke gave Leia a red lightsabre as a way to help her get over her issues with being Vader's child. Classic "turn a negative into a positive" type of thing.
Great video love diving deeper into sw lore
i miss the stories u would narrate
What a classic channel many memories
You guys have a point. It's not the weapon that's inherently dark, it's the weilder.
Good to see you again, old friend.
Talking about the Hetts, I believe it's said somewhere Krayt Dragon Pearls can be used as lightsaber focusing crystals, with the area being Tatooine, the cultural significance of Krayt Dragons to Tuskan hunters and the fact that A'sharad becomes Darth Krayt, if the color could be explained, the use of the pearls would make perfect sense for Tuskan Jedi.
I love when you collab with Jen serai 1
Awesome video bro!
If you could find the time, I'd appreciate a video on Beilert Valance. That terminator looking dude sounds like a cool character and I'm so surprised not many know about him.
There is the bleeding method, but I also heard of a synthetic kyber crystal which is actually stronger than a regular one, with a red color.
Some honorable mentions would be Cal Kestis and Obi-Wan Kenobi himself, but only in a technicality, as Cal is just a NG+ exclusive customization option that's basicly 100% non-cannon and Obi-Wan was just using one of Asajj Ventress' Lightsabers when he didn't have access to his when fighting alongside her against Darth Maul and Savage Opress in Clone Wars
Assassins creed music on the back ground just awesome and chilling 😋
Personally, i like force users that wield purple or black lightsabers.
So...maul, Windu, Mara, Kyp and Revan.
@@goroakechi6126 yeah, their really cool.
If I could have a lightsaber, I would like it in the 1969 MOPAR color of "Plumb Crazy Purple"
@Shaun Welch
The Darksaber is the only black lightsaber we know of.
@Shaun Welch Ahsoka Tano uses two white lightsabers in the Rebels TV series. In short, she took two red crystals from an Inquisitor (dark Jedi) and "healed" them.
There is also an old guy in the Clone Wars series who has one.
Okay so this might be me hearing things but the background music around about the start reminds me of the background music in assassin's Creed brotherhood when Desmond is going through the medieval sewers
No mention of Kyp Durron in the Jedi Academy Leviathan comics?
Rewatching for nostalgia and I just noticed he referred to Jensaarai1 as another "creature" instead of another human as a reference to the previous video
Hmmmmm I think Wookiee’s with red/yellow/bronze/orange sabers fit very well
Famously Luke's crysral in RotJ is synthetic despite being Green.
I once read a pretty well-made SW OC Jedi character’s backstory on Reddit, who had a red lightsaber. By way of the current canon, it was stated that during a duel with an unnamed Sith Acolyte, the OC in question was wounded so severely yet refused to stop fighting that all of the emotion he felt in the duel was poured into his previously green lightsaber, turning it red. I thought it made a lot of sense.
That's the new canon, where they changed the crystals to be mood rings.
Love the red blade. It’s not the blade it’s the person wielding it. Thank you for the video. ✌🏾👍🏾💯
From what I understand and one of the books that I've read the sith don't find the red crystals are there synthetic they bleed the crystals
That's new Disney canon's take on the lightsaber crystals. Sith in Disney canon pour their emotions into the crystal to make them red. Sith in the EU and Legends made synthetic crystals
I have an idea for a discussion video related to lightsabers. How about a video of Jedi who use lightsabers that aren’t blue or green?
You missed one, Evan. Jax Pavan wielded a red lightsaber in Coruscant Nights III: Patterns of the Force, and is implied to have used it further into his career. It’s even stated that the lightsaber had belonged to Aurra Sing herself.
Evan can I ask a question? What happened to the Fanalysis channel? There hasn't been a video for half a year now. Just wondering why...
Reti4 has been struck this past year with some pretty heavy life and work related issues which has prevented him from making more content. Fortunately things are starting to clear up and I know he wants to get back into the saddle soon.
@@EvanNova95 Oh, I see. May the force be with him..
@@EvanNova95 With the release of Season 7 of the clone wars series has your opinion of Maul as an overall combatant changed with regards to the crazy force abilities he used? Been wondering for ages so thought I'd ask the main guy!
Always two there are, no more no less.
As far as Luke's shoto, I view it as a contribution to Yoda and Anakin. Luke has seen his father as Vader using a red crystal and the shoto, even though Luke has never seen him use a lightsaber, it would make sense for Yoda to use a shoto due to his height. It was practical in the moment, but Luke has always been effected by what I refer to as a Master's influence, and Luke has it by three different individuals. So using a red blade for Luke kinda makes sense
Luke assumed Yoda to used a short blade, lmao
4:07 Wow, after all the times I've seen that movie, I did not know that. Very interesting. You would think that that would be one of the things they would change with all of these new editions and changes and shit to the re-releases of the films.
4:22 I thought that was Eeth Koth in AOTC which was why it was previously revealed that he died in the clone gunship you see be shot down on-screen before TCW retconned that.
9:50 I guess I hadn't looked too deeply into that passage or mistook that passage to be attributing to when A'Sharad returned to Tatooine without realizing that he did it sometime later. And I do find that to be a pretty major retcon. In my headcanon, I like to think that he had multiple crystals much like Ki-Adi Mundi did in AOTC where he would use green crystals some of the time and red crystals other times.
13:31 I have both of those figures. I don't know if I want to get Adi Gallia though, but I think it would be good to have that unique figure with the red lightsaber as a way to reflect on her comic book appearances with it. Also I could've sworn that I've seen a Dark Empire Leia figure with a red lightsaber as well. I could be mistaken.
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
I would like to request a battle between Marka Ragnos vs Darth Vitiate/Valkorian. The duel of the ancient Sith emperors.
I made some synthetic crystals the primary colors were black , red , green and white . The order of colors is also the order for how much and how hard they were .
Probably a hot take but I prefer the way canon has handled lightsaber crystals. They are more connected to the force and their user, and through the force they project the color of the user. Dark side users corrupt their crystals by using the force.
So you prefer disney canon?
@@lapplandkun9273 I never said that, I said I prefer the lore they established around one specific thing (lightsaber crystals) and how they explained it in Star Wars.
@@shookistheblaine8521 Oh, I apologize. Im not accusing you of liking the new canon's take on the lightsaber crystals. Im just asking if you prefer them over legends. Which is fine. If you like them, that's fine. I apologize if my question came off of accusatory
Does anyone know the music at 21:30?
The use of a Krait Dragon Pearl is said to be deep red. And an Akkab Ingot crystal is a firey-red/orange.
Part 3: The Jedi Who Didn’t Use Blue or Green (or even Red) Lightsabers?