Personally I would think that Obi Wan Kenobi is proof that any force wielder can become more powerful than what his force potential would allow much like how any normal person in the real world surpassing a certain limit.
No, not any person in the real world can surpass certain limits, it's fine to think that it makes people feel good but that's not the reality, certain people are born with tools that make more profficient and talented than someone who we could call normal. No matter how hard people trained from birth they will be talented as magnus Carlson, michael Phelps, lebron james etc.
So glad to see you still passionate about Star Wars after all these years. Your videos serve to me as a sort of contentment, the productions quality is high, yet the "feel" of the video is nostalgic in a sense. Thanks for the video Evan, keep the content rolling so long as you enjoy making these videos.
I Will ALWAYS Remember Yarael Poof Thanks to Robot Chicken! Especially for being the ONE Jedi in the council who had the balls to call out Yoda and Mace for basically talking all the important decisions themselves/getting all the screen time besides Obi.
This video is just fantastic, I do think with the absolute ridiculous nerfs and amps that Depa had over mace makes that feat nearly mute, I’d say Ki adi’s feats and more importantly statements implying he’s on par with plo koon and a genuine threat to Palpatine’s plan puts him above. Also Shaak is directly stated as inferior to Cin Drallig in the temple during order 66 and only landed those hits to GG when she wasn’t exhausted. Mundi also gained more kills in direct competition to anakin in the second battle of Geonosis. Other then that it’s literally a perfect scale in my honest opinion very very well done
I’m gonna defend Coleman Trebor a bit, he was a defensive master and a diplomat he likely went to engage Dooku to try and de escalate the situation and was simply caught off guard by how quick of a shot Django actually was. Credit to him he was a Soresu master and knew Dookus skill with Makashi and was likely going in by himself to hold off Dooku to protect other Jedi from engaging him and dying if the negotiations failed
1:01:04 See! I knew there was a reason that Yariel in the Robot Chicken Sketch was so Good, same as in here, he's the one Council Member with the Balls to Remind Yoda and Mace that there are other people in the council who matter besides them when they forget!
Indeed. “Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger.” - Mace Windu, ROTS Adult novel The man is explicitly stating Anakin is stronger than everyone including him now and is clearly getting stronger
@@gevarradesmon1999 Worth noting is that Mace, as written by the same author in Shatterpoint, doesn't consider himself especially powerful. Up against Kar Vastor, Mace reflects that Vastor is younger than he is, physically stronger than he is, and has more Force power than Mace has ever had. Which is why when Mace has to finally put him down he uses a combination of skill and a surprise attack to do it. Mace doesn't view himself as exceptionally powerful in terms of raw Force potential; it's his experience, tactical prowess, and mastery of Vapaad that make him so damn confident.
Disney gave us some more lore for Coleman Kcaj. Apparently he survived Order 66, potentially surviving til 9 BBY before being killed by the Inquisitors or Darth Vader, which seeing his lack of lore in the EU I could see happening there too. Of course we don't know where he was during Order 66, but depending on the circumstances of his survival he could potentially be more powerful than Stass Allie plus he must have done something of importance to be even considered for a seat on the council, especially since there are several other Jedi (like Aayla Secura or Luminara Undula) who could have taken the seat.
Plo Koon is/was probably the most underused Jedi in canon. It was good that they gave him a larger role TCW, but he should have had more presence in the films too. He was like the last of what the Jedi have been / were long ago. He and Qui-Gon, probably Babylon Skoll too, could have made kick-ass new order light-grey Jedi - not quite as on the fence as most greys, but not as myopic as the Jedi.
It's great to see another video from you. I think your rankings are fair. I actually forgot Coleman Trebor was a Council Member because Jango Fett takes him out so quickly in Attack of the Clones.
Is no one going to talk about how ABSOLUTELY OP the Infant of Saha feat is? Because it basically means that the majority of high council members are at least capable of using their force abilities to contend with planet busters, mind you, Coroscaunt is a large planet.
I saw the VS Battles Wiki calc for that feat and it was only Planet Level, not Large Planet Level. Large Planet Level would be if you destroyed a planet as big as our gas giants. Still insanely impressive for Poof and the council though. 82.42 Zettatons of TNT is a crazy AP feat.
I generally view that fan made duel for Ben and Vader as the actual physical depiction of the fight, and the New Show duel to be where they are at before that. Obi could still Beat Vader for a time post Revenge of the Sith, but eventually time and isolation undid him. Vader was constantly fighting and training with so much more wealth and resources to put into it, in training material and sparring partners while Ben had no one.
Thanks for this bro. It would be lit if you made other tierlists using the same standard, for perhaps SWTOR sith council, and other eras in SW. Then we could compare a C tier jedi from the prequels to a C tier jedi from SWTOR or kotor era and it would be relatively comparable, obviously a true versus would have way more factors that go into it.
Great video! I do think that Yoda and possibly Mace and Anakin too should've been placed a tier above Kenobi though. Yoda outright states he wouldn't stand a chance against Sidious, whereas at least Yoda and Mace definitely would, and as you mentioned it is also stated many times that Anakin was a superior fighter and stronger in the force than Kenobi, with Kenobi's victory being very circumstantial. Add to that instances like Kenobi and Anakin's respective performances against Dooku, and I think it stands to reason that, though Kenobi is superior to everyone below him on this list, he is not on par with the other members of S tier.
You're not giving Obi Wan enough credit for his wisdom during battle. Sure Anakin was a slightly better duelist, but that's all he could do overpower the enemy. While Obi Wan on multiple occasions was able to use the environment to his advantage. The high ground wasn't some magical unfair advantage that just happened to be there. Obi Wan knew he can't defeat Vader outright and the whole fight he was luring Anakin to new locations to look for something that'll help him secure the win.
I do believe it's calculated to be around 19 strikes a SECOND that Obi-Wan rather easily (for someone fighting off 19 strikes a second), not only deflected, but out right countered (cutting off limbs) from General Grievous. 4 angles, strengths and styles attacking someone with one blade - someone who was once moved out of the Jedi Knight path because of his weaker connection to the force, shows that hard-work and experience can outclass almost anything.
Given that all of the council members spent decades/centuries residing above a giant Darkside nexus hidden below the Jedi Temple, when not in the field, basically nerfing their overall force connection it makes me wonder if they would be able to compete with Luke's new council if it did not exist. The Skywalkers would likely still overpower the vast majority, but with a few exceptions, the others would likely have a harder time maintaining their superiority over the old council. Although I can't think of a Jedi on Luke's council who would be below a D tier so who knows.
-Mace Windu chimes in: An impressive list, but I would have to point out that this is a list of the Jedi council. Young Skywalker was allowed to sit on behalf of Palpatine, but he was not granted the rank of Master!
Mace Windu made that decision because he did not trust Anakin or even liked him for that matter. The fact that Obi-Wan was granted the rank of Knight for "killing" Darth Maul but Anakin was denied Master for killing Count Dooku is outrageous; it's unfair!
I would personally place me above Revenge of the Sith Anakin. It is often argued (as in this video) that both Anakin and I are nerfed during this fight so it's difficult to power scale us. I was nerfed by my desire to not kill Anakin while he was nerfed by his arrogance. But, we cannot only take the cons, we must also take the pros. What I mean by this is that while Anakin was nerfed by his arrogance, he was boosted by his anger and rage in the Dark Side. Turning to the Dark Side both made him stronger while making him more reckless. But that is the nature of the Dark Side, every Dark Side user will become stronger and more overconfident when they fully embrace it. That is why I would argue Anakin was not nerfed, he was at full strength. If was are doing to count any power boosts, we also need to account to any weakness that come with that boost which is why I would argue I beat a full powered, Dark Side Anakin. Additionally, the novelization has me holding back for most of the fight but I still match Anakin hit for hit. But at the end of the fight, it is clearly stated that I let go of any attachment for him and let the Force flow thought me. When that happens, the fight actually becomes easy. That was me at full strength, not holding back anything and is when I beat Anakin. I was so strong that I beat Anakin without even meaning to. So I would agree that I am stronger than Anakin because I ordinarily do not hold anything back and the instant I don't Anakin was defeated. Additionally, my intelligence has to be accounted for when ranking my power. I was not physically as strong as Anakin but knowing how to use power is far more important than power itself. I routinely used said intelligence to wear Anakin down and place him in difficult scenarios and battle sense is just as important in a fight as battle ability (which I had as well). For all those reasons, I would strongly argue that I am above Anakin. I had more battle sense, I won the instant I stopped holding back, and Anakin's overconfidence from the Dark Side cannot be separate from the extra strength he gained from the Dark Side. My defeat of him was not a fluke, it was a clear win. Even Vader later acknowledged this saying he was still the leaner when we met again and it's why Yoda sent to fight Anakin which such confidence, he knew I could win.
Just to let you know, Supernatural Encounters, the trials and transformations of Arhul Hextrophon, an unreleased EU book by Joe Bongiorno, have been released on Amazon in 3 separate volumes.
50:37 A small nitpick, the Son and Daughter were not really the avatars of the light and dark side, they were more like embodiments. It might seem like there is no difference but they were not the will of the force, they "just" represented it
Just small note; Syfo Dias was not alive past the phantom menace like Jocasta nu, he died shortly before it possibly concurrent; as chancellor calorimeter sent him for a secret mission when he died from the pykes and dooku and the phantom menace volorum was succeeded by palpatine unless he like real life elections had a time still as chancellor until vacating his seat after palpatine won there’s a formality of a month maybe before switching positions. However, I doubt this as I’m tales of the Jedi dooku in his third episode during the time at the end of the phantom menace when he’s mourning qui gons death while the council heads to the funeral on nano, he tells sudokus he betrayed everything syfo Dias the clones kamino records, showing that he already killed dias after learning about his vision and commissioning clones and told palpatine about it stole the project and erased records by that point. In the clone wars when anakin fights dooku on naboo and is captured to prisoner exchange with grievous, dooku tells a anakin he was part of that first battle on naboo and and helping the sith so it all lines up that syfo was killed shortly or months prior to the naboo conflict and was helping in the shadows killing his friend stealing project erasing kamino then whilst jinns funeral is happening dooku kills yaddle and goes from fallen jedi or dark side/sith acolyte to official apprentice of sidious when he tells him to rise and calls him apprentice
Great vid, one that ive looked forward to for a long time! One thing im really happy about is to hear you pointing out that Anakin *and* Obi-Wan were conflicted and hindered during their Mustafar duel. So many people make excuses for Anakin, bring up to high heavens how hindered he was (which is true), but conveniently ignoring ENTIRELY how conflicted Kenobi was. Hell, just hours before, Obi-Wan outright stated that he thought he *could not* kill Anakin (which ultimately proved true), and that he'd rather go into almost certain death against Sidious than to fight his own brother. And the novel clearly states how out of the flow Obi-Wan is in the first half of the duel, showing he isnt in the state he was against Grievous. It wasnt until he was nearly killed, that he managed to achieve unity with the force and get into the flow of battle. Anakin is still above Obi-Wan overall for sure, as you stated. But i hate when people pretend like Obi-Wan was in tip-top shape and in his prime on mustafar, while anakin was a wreck who couldnt even control himself. It is true that anakin by that point was an uncontrolled whirlwind of emotion and was unchained and unfocused, while in truth, Obi-Wan was also very conflicted, just watched his life come down around him, watched a close friend of 13 years be choked to unconsciousness by the love of her life, and had to fight his closest friend, his own brother, to the death. He was not in good circumstances either.
NJO time Jedi just all get “scaled” really high according to most people since they chronologically came last and writers love to use statements like “most powerful or greatest”, but the actual feats of alot of them besides Luke, Jacen, Kyle, and Kyp are generally less formidable then the prequel era council I’d say
I always find the Killik to be a really unreliable source for any information. Like in there own trilogy where they forget they attacked a group of people.
Where do you place the strongest form of Qui-Gon Jinn and Count Dooku in this list? And please Rank Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 1 and 2
I would rank ROTS Dooku in S Tier and Qui-Gon in C Tier though we don't know for sure how strong Qui-Gon was in his Prime. I would say Episode 2 Anakin/Obi-Wan would also rank in C Tier given that Kit Fisto was shown to be stronger than what was basically THAT version of Obi-Wan in the Novel Cestus Deception. I would currently say that episode 1 Obi-Wan would rank in E Tier and Episode 1 Anakin wouldn't even make the list since he's a literal kid.
This has been a good video. I love EU content the best. To hell with Filoni and the rest of modern Lucasfilm defiled disrespectful tainted fruits. For these Jedi in their orginally intended and designed EU continuity foundation versions how much trouble could say something like Astartes, Eversors, and Dark Eldar Wyches from Warhammer 40k give them in melee combat and the physical and mental performance to keep up with such brutal grimm warriors? I think mentally even alot of experience mentally fortified Jedi will be having trouble in that kind of situation if they had to perceive the intense dark thoughts and feeling of what something a Wych is like or how insanely unstable being broken so many times a Eversor can be.
Your back! Will the versus series also continue? If so my recommendations are: - Anakin (Episode 3) and Luke (Dark Empire) vs Jaina and Jacen. - Kao Cen Darach and Satele Shan vs Rahm Kota and Starkiller - Darth Revan and Darth Malak vs Darth Krayt and Darth Talon.
Evannova95 In the ROTS novelization: Anakin is stated to be the fastest Jedi of his generation How do you feel about this statement and can it be debunked?
I don't like how so many people underrate Obi Wan because he got rekt by Dooku. It's the only fight we see him getting so overwhelmed and in ROTS he kept up with Dooku until Dooku used the force. Dooku also knocked down Anakin just before this but focused on removing Obi Wan from the fight.
Will there be new Star Wars stuff (Legends reviews) on Fanalysis? Also idk if I would subscribe to the NJO council stomping the PT one (unless you mean the one from FOTJ?). Idk I really dislike the Denningverse and there's extremely weird power scaling in there.
Obi-Wan Kenobi was a legendary Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master who served on the Jedi High Council during the final years of the Republic Era. As a Jedi General, Kenobi served in the Grand Army of the Republic that fought against the Separatist Droid Army during the Clone Wars. Kenobi, however, was forced into exile as a result of the Great Jedi Purge. As a mentor, Kenobi was responsible for training two members of the Skywalker family, Anakin and Luke Skywalker, both of whom served in turn as his Padawan in the ways of the Force. Kenobi was born on the planet Stewjon in 57 BBY. He was Force-sensitive, and therefore taken from his family and inducted into the Jedi Order as a child. Raised in the Jedi Temple on the planet Coruscant, Kenobi was assigned to Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn. In 32 BBY, Kenobi attained the rank of Jedi Knight by defeating the Sith Lord Darth Maul during the Invasion of Naboo. He also chose to train Anakin Skywalker-the prophesied Chosen One who was destined to destroy the Sith and restore balance to the Force-having promised Jinn who died in the lightsaber duel against Maul. With the advent of the Clone Wars in 22 BBY, Kenobi adopted the military rank of High Jedi General in the Grand Army of the Galactic Republic, and was given command of the Open Circle Fleet, the Third Systems Army, and the 7th Sky Corps. Clone Marshal Commander CC-2224 "Cody" served as his second-in-command throughout the galaxy-wide conflict, with their forces achieving multiple victories over the Confederacy of Independent Systems. In the midst of the war, his old enemy Maul re-emerged into galactic affairs, bent on revenge against Kenobi for his debilitating defeat decades prior. Though they clashed in heated duels on multiple occasions, Maul failed to end Kenobi's life or cripple his spirit, despite murdering his former love, Satine Kryze, Duchess of Mandalore. In 19 BBY, Kenobi killed the Separatist Supreme Commander, General Grievous during the Battle of Utapau, effectively ending the Clone Wars. He later survived the initial onslaught of the Great Jedi Purge against the Jedi Order, which resulted from the machinations of the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. After discovering that Skywalker had turned to the dark side of the Force, becoming Sidious' Sith apprentice under the name of Darth Vader, Kenobi defeated his former Padawan on Mustafar and exiled himself to the Outer Rim planet Tatooine as the Galactic Empire rose to power. Adopting a hermit lifestyle as "Ben Kenobi," he watched over Vader's and Senator Padmé Amidala's son, Luke. Ten years later, Kenobi left exile to rescue Leia Organa, Luke's twin sister, and was pursued by the Empire's Inquisitorius and Vader himself. Later, Kenobi was hunted down once again by Maul, whom he finally slew to protect the young Luke. Kenobi began the boy's Jedi training in 0 BBY, and soon after encountered Vader aboard the first Death Star, where he sacrificed himself to ensure that Luke and his allies escaped from the Sith Lord. In death, Kenobi became one with the Force which allowed him to continue guiding Luke throughout the Galactic Civil War. In 4 ABY, Kenobi reunited with his former student, Anakin Skywalker, who died destroying his Sith Master in order to save his son. Kenobi was remembered as a legendary Jedi Master during the rise of the New Republic; Ben Solo, the son of Luke's twin sister, Princess Leia Organa, was named after Kenobi. Solo's turn to the dark side left Luke disillusioned with the Jedi Order's legacy, and he held Kenobi responsible for Anakin's transformation into Vader. However, Luke's faith would eventually be restored with the aid of Darth Sidious's granddaughter Rey, to whom Kenobi would lend his voice and strength in a final battle and victory against her resurrected ancestor on Exegol in 35 ABY. Called to the cold planet Orto Plutonia to ascertain why the Republic had lost contact with a clone outpost, Kenobi and Skywalker, along with Pantoran Chairman Chi Cho and Senator Riyo Chuchi from the nearby moon Pantora, traveled to the Republic base. They found it to be to be devoid of life, as all clones stationed there having been killed-with a monument of their helmets erected inside. After visiting a nearby Separatist base, similar destruction was found, leading Kenobi to believe that the murders at the Republic's base were done by a third unknown party. Logs showed mysterious warriors had taken out the Separatist droids when investigating the world's southern canyon, which Kenobi decided would be a good starting point for their investigation.[87] Separatist base, similar destruction was found, leading Kenobi to believe that the murders at the Republic's base were done by a third unknown party. Logs showed mysterious warriors had taken out the Separatist droids when investigating the world's southern canyon, which Kenobi decided would be a good starting point for their investigation.[87] ObiWanHugged-Trespass Kenobi surprised by a hug given by Thi-Sen in lieu of a handshake. When Skywalker and Kenobi headed to the location they met the leader of the Talz people Thi-Sen and their associates, communicating with the natives using rudimentary hand signals and drawings. The Jedi learned that battle droids had attacked the Talz and the clones were accidentally caught in the middle of the conflict. The pair returned to the Republic base, and knowing that the Talz only wanted peace, arranged a diplomatic meeting between the Pantorans and Talz. However, Chi Cho angrily refused to accept any peaceful outcome and provoked a war between him and Thi-Sen's people as he refused to accept peace despite the protests of Chuchi and the Jedi. He declared it an internal affair of Pantora to remove the Jedi from the equation, ordering them to submit to him because they were under the Senate's jurisdiction.[87] When Skywalker and Kenobi appealed to Chuchi to find a way to resolve the political matter diplomatically, she contacted the Speaker of the Pantoran Assembly who granted her the authority to negotiate peace and declared the Chairman out of order. Though Chuchi wanted the Jedi to negotiate on Pantora's behalf, they refused, as it was her people who the Talz were warring with. However, the solution came too late as Chi Cho was attacked before Kenobi, Skywalker, and Chuchi landed and halted the Talz's attack. To settle the conflict between the Pantorans and the Talz, Chuchi met with Thi-Sen, establishing an agreement that allowed the Talz to live in peace on the planet. As the Senator and the Jedi boarded a gunship off-world, Kenobi congratulated the Senator in establishing peace and urged her to make it last and act as an example to others.[87] The Jedi Master felt that the peace achieved through the balancing of both sides had been a unique challenge.[55] The Jedi Council later agreed to send Kenobi, Skywalker, and Tano, to Naboo in response to intelligence that suggested that a Separatist bio-lab had been set up on the planet at Amidala's suggestion. When Amidala and Binks lost contact while searching for the lab, Skywalker sent Tano along with the Gungan native Peppi Bow to locate them. Meanwhile, Kenobi and Skywalker arrived on Naboo learned from new information discovered by Captain Gregar Typho that Separatist scientist Nuvo Vindi was using the lab to perfect the deadly Blue Shadow Virus so as to release it into key Republic star systems. Kenobi and Skywalker proceeded to plan an infiltration of the facility to prevent the virus from being spread across the galaxy.[89] While they waited in the hangar bay, Kenobi took note of Skywalker's increased levels of agitation during the mission. After being contacted by Tano, Kenobi and Skywalker left instructions for her to cause a diversion. On the other side of the lab, the pair entered and met with her before beginning a search for Vindi's viral bombs. Kenobi located the room where the bombs were held with his clone troopers, instructing his men to deactivate them all. Though Vindi attempted to release the virus, the Jedi were able to apprehend him and rescue Amidala and Binks.[89] Angel2 Kenobi talking to an Angel on Iego As Kenobi and Skywalker prepared to transfer Vindi to Coruscant for trial, Tano, Amidala, and several clones discovered that a vial of the virus was missing. Though the alarm was sounded prior to the vial's detonation, the virus was released throughout the lab. Tano, Amidala, and the clones with them were compromised and infected by the virus. As they worked to ensure droids would not escape the facility, Skywalker and Kenobi implored the Naboo as to what the cure for the virus was. Upon learning it, the Jedi then flew to planet Iego to search for the reeksa root antidote to the virus found there.[88] While on Iego, Skywalker destroyed a number of reprogrammed battle droids owned by the local native Jaybo Hood, which Kenobi chided him for. Hood then told the pair where to find the antidote they were looking for, though warned it was dangerous. The young man also informed the Jedi that the phantom leader of Iego, Drol, would not allow any individual to leave the planet. Kenobi and Skywalker rode a xandu to the bottom of a ravine and quickly gathered some reeksa root before escaping from the carnivorous plant. Upon trying to leave Iego, the two Jedi discovered that "Drol" was actually a Separatist laser security system surrounding the planet and enlisted Hood's help in destroying it despite the skepticism of the other natives. When successful, Kenobi and Skywalker traveled back to Naboo and delivered the antidote that saved Tano, Amidala, and the clone troopers. Kenobi also offered Binks blaster training to hone his skills, which the Gungan enthusiastically accepted.[88] After the event, the Jedi Master became more keenly aware of Skywalker's emotional instability when around Amidala and resolved to watch the pair more closely as the war continued.[55]
Great Video! I love ranking characters within universe good to see one online of such quality. I think I'd put Kit Fisto in A Tier. He was one of the few Jedi to withstand Grevious, was considered the Shii Cho master, and we see him most often despite no lines in the films. In fact I don't know if I'd agree with most of A Tier as a sure thing except Ki Adi Mundi and Shaak Ti. Don't know about Plo Koon and Depa Bilaba. I'd put Depa in the B tier. Blades expert but relatively weak in the Force. She'd have been on Mace's strike team if available. If the rest of that strike team is B then so is she. Plo is powerful in the Force and a Jedi ace, but I can't think of a single notable lightsaber combat he excelled in. Token video game throwaway line aside. Savage is a brute who always needed back up from Dooku, Maul or Asajj. If Yaddle is C so is he. Yaddle dueled Dooku in the recent Tales of the Jedi and did better than Plo would be able to. I'm curious where you would put Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, The Dark Lady? Also curious where you'd rank the various Padawans of the Legends Prequels Era. Anakin, Ferus Olin, Ahsoka, Barriss Offee, Zett Jukas, Whie Malreaux, Scout,-I think that's the order I'd put them in.
Kit Fisto never stood against Grievous in legends and he literally defeated by Ventress in 1v1 also Dooku said himself many times that Grievous is much more stronger and faster than Ventress. Also Depa Billaba with rage amp literally defeated Mace Windu in a duel and she is also a master of Vaapad just like Mace. She is probably the strongest one in A tier and she literally comatised after that duel because she went insane and her mind couldn't handle the darkside, war's reality and Republic's future. She literally foresee the future unlike Mace and said "Jedi will lost". That's why she wasn't in council anymore and wasn't one of Mace's team because She was in a vegetative state for months but in canon she wake up somehow and died in order 66. Depa is such an underrated character tho
Hey Evan. Have you ever considered a video about your feelings on the new Disney Star Wars? If that's out of your wheelhouse then I get it. I was just curious because you definitely seem to gravitate towards legends, but it seems like you at least keep up with the new stuff.
A very well done video, I've always loved seeking out different, yet not unreasonable, evidence and views of Star Wars power scaling, its never something that everyone wants to agree with but the context evidence and conversation to be had is by far the most interesting part of SW power scaling to me
side note: despite being subbed to Evan for a few years now I'd forgotten about his content, was introduced to Evan by watching his versus series, starting with vids like mace windu v Galen marek, @EvanNova95 thank you for all your content over the years :)
In canon would it be something like 1.ROTS Yoda 2.ROTS Mace Windu 3.ROTS Anakin 4.ROTS Obi-Wan 5.DD Vos(pre ROTS I think he would be 4 but if it's the entire clone wars then I don't think so) 6.ROTS Plo Koon After than in canon im not sure who would be 7 but I assume Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Ahsoka, Eeth Koth, and other people I am forgetting would prob be there
People gotta stop putting yoda as top, he has 900 yrs of experience & couldn't beat Sidious who only had what 50-60 yrs? HE IS DOG SHIT! He should've been bodying Palpa for free but he couldn't beat him in saber combat nor force & had to retreat. He also couldn't beat Dooku who beat Anakin & Obi-Wan with ease & Yoda with no sweat. Dooku ripped them rocks down with no effort but yoda is seen struggling his ass off, Yaddle didn't even struggle that hard with a giant blast door dropped on top of her weighing similar or more weight in a compromised position. Yoda was & is weak. Mace beat & wouldve killed Palpatine in a 1v1 which idiots denied al these yrs cause he definitely wanted to electrocute himself & feel that pain to the point it disfigured himself 😒 Mace is grand master rank & the 1 smart enough to not trust Anakin, when the moment he did give him an ouch he betrayed him & fucked the galaxy. Yoda is master rank & at best B+ tier. Yoda couldn't even help him or see through his bs lies to prevent what happened.
Lucas has said Mace beat Palpatine. The Novelists added their opinions outside of the movie's script/screenplay's. This is where you have to remember that when the movie takes precedence over novelations in terms of canon. Jedi Masters/Knights don't have Power Levels like Goku vs Ginyu on Namek with some scouter. Midichlorian ratings mean nothing. Anakakin & Obi-Wan lost plenty of battles in the Clone Wars, but they were some of the best. Age, lightsaber style, experience, type of battle, situation, all play a role in whether 1 person would win over another.
Ok but wasn’t Coleman Kcaj one of the Jedi that evaded Order66 and survived under the Empire? Like the guy who was on the list along with Oppo Rancisis or smth?
In my personal opinion, Oppo Rancisis should have been in B tier. Especially with his tactical insight and force abilities, plus Battle Mediation is VERY HARD to master Spiritually and Rancisis' Mediation was just as potent up there with jedi akin to Odan-Urr, Nomi Sunrider, and Legacy era Tra'Saa. He might not be as powerful as Kolar and Fisto in terms of Saber combat but he is most definitely in their league when it comes Force Abilities (Definitely Stronger than Kolar and every other users in lesser tiers) and in my opinion in the same league as Mundi and Billaba. This is a dude who fought a taskforce of skilled Anzati Assassins (which most already know are trained to kill Jedi and are essentially Space Vampires) who got the drop on him and still won with him being physically and Spiritually exhausted plus old age and fatigue playing their parts as well. This to me is just as impressive as Shaak Ti fighting a swarm of Magnaguards during the Battle of Coruscant when she was tired as well before the fight. If he was healthy, I believe Oppo could have had a shot of taking out Sora Bulq especially if Sora is going all Savage Oppress on Rancisis.
disagree with where you put gallia. she mastered force lightning, the shockwave ability, even force mesmerise. she was also unlucky when she got hit with the force blast- unlike obi wan and anakin, dooku, ventress who suffered the same with their barriers pierced.. doesn't mean they lacked in skill or focus..no, and gallia just landed in the side of a ship with 80 km speed and force, hitting her head, getting stunned. so, she is higher.. koth and mundi- high, though i rate tiin lower than where you put him- lower than koth and adi, even lower than agen potentially, his duelling abilities are non existent beyond mere sparring, and that's next to nothing. i also put agen lower than eeth- why? he has nothing near the force precision, skill or power that eeth brings in legends and canon- there's more indication of eeth being a swordsmith than agen, even though agen has it listed as a notable skillset of his (eeth seen with a green double bladed lightsaber and being present at the jedi temple workshop in cwa ), and eeth is just too close in duelling skill to have any compensation in that area from agen. while you can argue fairly in both sides that oppo, yaddle, yarael, piell are overhyped/rated, tiin and kolar are actually overhyped with far more to support that claim than refute it. literally no indication of any special offence-defence force abilities usable in any serious duel kolar and tiin didn't survive grievous twice, didn't survive dooku once- no feats like that. imo you also have knight anakin a whisker too high, ti a little too low, koon and kenobi are neck and neck with her, kenobi being a combination of them both in his style and combative approach. why do i rate anakin lower? because he is not as skilled as other council members when he is not in his avatar state, he is only stronger than most. he has frequently been brought up short in both universes because his arrogance got in the way, or his fear did. he did not work as hard as other jedi who weren't the chosen one, who were jedi since birth or age 2, no matter how you look at it that is the case. i would like to see where you'd place tyvokka and micah giiett.
Personally I would think that Obi Wan Kenobi is proof that any force wielder can become more powerful than what his force potential would allow much like how any normal person in the real world surpassing a certain limit.
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Valid Point(💯).
No, not any person in the real world can surpass certain limits, it's fine to think that it makes people feel good but that's not the reality, certain people are born with tools that make more profficient and talented than someone who we could call normal. No matter how hard people trained from birth they will be talented as magnus Carlson, michael Phelps, lebron james etc.
Finally… some Shaak Ti respect
I would LOVE an NJO Jedi Council ranking video. That would be crazy amazing, hope thats something you'll be able to work on soonish.
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So glad to see you still passionate about Star Wars after all these years. Your videos serve to me as a sort of contentment, the productions quality is high, yet the "feel" of the video is nostalgic in a sense. Thanks for the video Evan, keep the content rolling so long as you enjoy making these videos.
I Will ALWAYS Remember Yarael Poof Thanks to Robot Chicken! Especially for being the ONE Jedi in the council who had the balls to call out Yoda and Mace for basically talking all the important decisions themselves/getting all the screen time besides Obi.
Love the respect for Mace 👍👍 The initials on his Lightsaber says it all.
We’ve been waiting all this time in anticipation for you to explain why Coleman Trebor solos the rest of the council, thanks Evan!
Coleman Trebor is the Yamcha of SW. He either solos the rest of the council, or curb stomped by Liam the Padawan.
And he trains for 7 years in anticipation of his greatest trial only to roll his ankle when he steps onto the field.
When Obi says, "Send me to kill the Emperor," you know he's at the top
This video is just fantastic,
I do think with the absolute ridiculous nerfs and amps that Depa had over mace makes that feat nearly mute, I’d say Ki adi’s feats and more importantly statements implying he’s on par with plo koon and a genuine threat to Palpatine’s plan puts him above. Also Shaak is directly stated as inferior to Cin Drallig in the temple during order 66 and only landed those hits to GG when she wasn’t exhausted. Mundi also gained more kills in direct competition to anakin in the second battle of Geonosis.
Other then that it’s literally a perfect scale in my honest opinion very very well done
Thank you for keeping the Legends Lore alive. Your videos are great, man!
*Expanded Universe lore
I’m gonna defend Coleman Trebor a bit, he was a defensive master and a diplomat he likely went to engage Dooku to try and de escalate the situation and was simply caught off guard by how quick of a shot Django actually was. Credit to him he was a Soresu master and knew Dookus skill with Makashi and was likely going in by himself to hold off Dooku to protect other Jedi from engaging him and dying if the negotiations failed
I love Trebor, but if he was going to negotiate, why would he have his saber out?
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1:01:04 See! I knew there was a reason that Yariel in the Robot Chicken Sketch was so Good, same as in here, he's the one Council Member with the Balls to Remind Yoda and Mace that there are other people in the council who matter besides them when they forget!
Personally, I think the quotes are better for Anakin. Even Mace Windu thinks Anakin as stronger/equal
Indeed.
“Skywalker is arguably the most powerful Jedi alive, and he is still getting stronger.” - Mace Windu, ROTS Adult novel
The man is explicitly stating Anakin is stronger than everyone including him now and is clearly getting stronger
@@gevarradesmon1999 Worth noting is that Mace, as written by the same author in Shatterpoint, doesn't consider himself especially powerful. Up against Kar Vastor, Mace reflects that Vastor is younger than he is, physically stronger than he is, and has more Force power than Mace has ever had. Which is why when Mace has to finally put him down he uses a combination of skill and a surprise attack to do it. Mace doesn't view himself as exceptionally powerful in terms of raw Force potential; it's his experience, tactical prowess, and mastery of Vapaad that make him so damn confident.
Disney gave us some more lore for Coleman Kcaj. Apparently he survived Order 66, potentially surviving til 9 BBY before being killed by the Inquisitors or Darth Vader, which seeing his lack of lore in the EU I could see happening there too.
Of course we don't know where he was during Order 66, but depending on the circumstances of his survival he could potentially be more powerful than Stass Allie plus he must have done something of importance to be even considered for a seat on the council, especially since there are several other Jedi (like Aayla Secura or Luminara Undula) who could have taken the seat.
The inquisitors are low rank low knight level fodder who couldn't even defeat Kanan. I honestly say Vader killed him
Plo Koon is/was probably the most underused Jedi in canon. It was good that they gave him a larger role TCW, but he should have had more presence in the films too. He was like the last of what the Jedi have been / were long ago. He and Qui-Gon, probably Babylon Skoll too, could have made kick-ass new order light-grey Jedi - not quite as on the fence as most greys, but not as myopic as the Jedi.
Let’s gooo!!! Thanks for always keeping us updated and delivering as promised. Great video as always. It was worth the wait.
Thanks for putting this out Evan. The passion you put into your work shows and it's always nice to see more content from you.
Literally the nerdiest shit I’ve ever watched.
And I loved every second. Bro really spent a lot of time in the archives to make this content
It's great to see another video from you. I think your rankings are fair. I actually forgot Coleman Trebor was a Council Member because Jango Fett takes him out so quickly in Attack of the Clones.
Is no one going to talk about how ABSOLUTELY OP the Infant of Saha feat is? Because it basically means that the majority of high council members are at least capable of using their force abilities to contend with planet busters, mind you, Coroscaunt is a large planet.
I saw the VS Battles Wiki calc for that feat and it was only Planet Level, not Large Planet Level. Large Planet Level would be if you destroyed a planet as big as our gas giants. Still insanely impressive for Poof and the council though. 82.42 Zettatons of TNT is a crazy AP feat.
Good work! I'm still a LIIIIIIITLE hesitant to consider Ben Kenobi THAT powerful, but you make a good argument as always.
There's nothing that chaps my ass more than being reminded how much of a badass Yarael Poof was. I mean... just _look_ at him.
Coleman Trebor is actually very underrated...
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I generally view that fan made duel for Ben and Vader as the actual physical depiction of the fight, and the New Show duel to be where they are at before that. Obi could still Beat Vader for a time post Revenge of the Sith, but eventually time and isolation undid him. Vader was constantly fighting and training with so much more wealth and resources to put into it, in training material and sparring partners while Ben had no one.
Glad to see you continue to both release and consistently improve your content with every video! Thank you for everything you do, Evan!
Props for giving Obi mad respect.
Thanks for this bro. It would be lit if you made other tierlists using the same standard, for perhaps SWTOR sith council, and other eras in SW. Then we could compare a C tier jedi from the prequels to a C tier jedi from SWTOR or kotor era and it would be relatively comparable, obviously a true versus would have way more factors that go into it.
Great video! I do think that Yoda and possibly Mace and Anakin too should've been placed a tier above Kenobi though. Yoda outright states he wouldn't stand a chance against Sidious, whereas at least Yoda and Mace definitely would, and as you mentioned it is also stated many times that Anakin was a superior fighter and stronger in the force than Kenobi, with Kenobi's victory being very circumstantial. Add to that instances like Kenobi and Anakin's respective performances against Dooku, and I think it stands to reason that, though Kenobi is superior to everyone below him on this list, he is not on par with the other members of S tier.
You're not giving Obi Wan enough credit for his wisdom during battle. Sure Anakin was a slightly better duelist, but that's all he could do overpower the enemy. While Obi Wan on multiple occasions was able to use the environment to his advantage. The high ground wasn't some magical unfair advantage that just happened to be there.
Obi Wan knew he can't defeat Vader outright and the whole fight he was luring Anakin to new locations to look for something that'll help him secure the win.
I do believe it's calculated to be around 19 strikes a SECOND that Obi-Wan rather easily (for someone fighting off 19 strikes a second), not only deflected, but out right countered (cutting off limbs) from General Grievous.
4 angles, strengths and styles attacking someone with one blade - someone who was once moved out of the Jedi Knight path because of his weaker connection to the force, shows that hard-work and experience can outclass almost anything.
Given that all of the council members spent decades/centuries residing above a giant Darkside nexus hidden below the Jedi Temple, when not in the field, basically nerfing their overall force connection it makes me wonder if they would be able to compete with Luke's new council if it did not exist. The Skywalkers would likely still overpower the vast majority, but with a few exceptions, the others would likely have a harder time maintaining their superiority over the old council. Although I can't think of a Jedi on Luke's council who would be below a D tier so who knows.
Nice to see you still making videos. Though I'd say nightfall vader beating mace windu with extreme difficulty I agree with the rest of the ranking.
It is here at last. Now to wait for the Tyranus vs. Malak Vs. Match.
That’s going on Jensaari1’s channel, not Evan’s.
Yes, I am aware of it.
I like to think the dark Jedi Yoda fought was camping himself with the dark side cave
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An impressive list, but I would have to point out that this is a list of the Jedi council. Young Skywalker was allowed to sit on behalf of Palpatine, but he was not granted the rank of Master!
Mace Windu made that decision because he did not trust Anakin or even liked him for that matter. The fact that Obi-Wan was granted the rank of Knight for "killing" Darth Maul but Anakin was denied Master for killing Count Dooku is outrageous; it's unfair!
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Oh yeah! Always look forward to your uploads, Evan! God bless!
I would personally place me above Revenge of the Sith Anakin. It is often argued (as in this video) that both Anakin and I are nerfed during this fight so it's difficult to power scale us. I was nerfed by my desire to not kill Anakin while he was nerfed by his arrogance.
But, we cannot only take the cons, we must also take the pros. What I mean by this is that while Anakin was nerfed by his arrogance, he was boosted by his anger and rage in the Dark Side. Turning to the Dark Side both made him stronger while making him more reckless. But that is the nature of the Dark Side, every Dark Side user will become stronger and more overconfident when they fully embrace it. That is why I would argue Anakin was not nerfed, he was at full strength. If was are doing to count any power boosts, we also need to account to any weakness that come with that boost which is why I would argue I beat a full powered, Dark Side Anakin.
Additionally, the novelization has me holding back for most of the fight but I still match Anakin hit for hit. But at the end of the fight, it is clearly stated that I let go of any attachment for him and let the Force flow thought me. When that happens, the fight actually becomes easy. That was me at full strength, not holding back anything and is when I beat Anakin. I was so strong that I beat Anakin without even meaning to. So I would agree that I am stronger than Anakin because I ordinarily do not hold anything back and the instant I don't Anakin was defeated.
Additionally, my intelligence has to be accounted for when ranking my power. I was not physically as strong as Anakin but knowing how to use power is far more important than power itself. I routinely used said intelligence to wear Anakin down and place him in difficult scenarios and battle sense is just as important in a fight as battle ability (which I had as well).
For all those reasons, I would strongly argue that I am above Anakin. I had more battle sense, I won the instant I stopped holding back, and Anakin's overconfidence from the Dark Side cannot be separate from the extra strength he gained from the Dark Side. My defeat of him was not a fluke, it was a clear win. Even Vader later acknowledged this saying he was still the leaner when we met again and it's why Yoda sent to fight Anakin which such confidence, he knew I could win.
Dude your my favorite star wars channel. Your breakdowns and lore are amazing! Please keep them coming!!
Hahahah this is awesome to listen to while I'm driving to work just perfect timing 😁
I do the same thing with their vs matches.
Just to let you know, Supernatural Encounters, the trials and transformations of Arhul Hextrophon, an unreleased EU book by Joe Bongiorno, have been released on Amazon in 3 separate volumes.
50:37 A small nitpick, the Son and Daughter were not really the avatars of the light and dark side, they were more like embodiments. It might seem like there is no difference but they were not the will of the force, they "just" represented it
Well that's no less confusing...
If Yarrel Poof could solo Misfits of the Omniverses which has 2 Boundless characters, and 1 High Outerversal character I’d die laughing
Just small note; Syfo Dias was not alive past the phantom menace like Jocasta nu, he died shortly before it possibly concurrent; as chancellor calorimeter sent him for a secret mission when he died from the pykes and dooku and the phantom menace volorum was succeeded by palpatine unless he like real life elections had a time still as chancellor until vacating his seat after palpatine won there’s a formality of a month maybe before switching positions. However, I doubt this as I’m tales of the Jedi dooku in his third episode during the time at the end of the phantom menace when he’s mourning qui gons death while the council heads to the funeral on nano, he tells sudokus he betrayed everything syfo Dias the clones kamino records, showing that he already killed dias after learning about his vision and commissioning clones and told palpatine about it stole the project and erased records by that point. In the clone wars when anakin fights dooku on naboo and is captured to prisoner exchange with grievous, dooku tells a anakin he was part of that first battle on naboo and and helping the sith so it all lines up that syfo was killed shortly or months prior to the naboo conflict and was helping in the shadows killing his friend stealing project erasing kamino then whilst jinns funeral is happening dooku kills yaddle and goes from fallen jedi or dark side/sith acolyte to official apprentice of sidious when he tells him to rise and calls him apprentice
Great vid, one that ive looked forward to for a long time! One thing im really happy about is to hear you pointing out that Anakin *and* Obi-Wan were conflicted and hindered during their Mustafar duel. So many people make excuses for Anakin, bring up to high heavens how hindered he was (which is true), but conveniently ignoring ENTIRELY how conflicted Kenobi was.
Hell, just hours before, Obi-Wan outright stated that he thought he *could not* kill Anakin (which ultimately proved true), and that he'd rather go into almost certain death against Sidious than to fight his own brother. And the novel clearly states how out of the flow Obi-Wan is in the first half of the duel, showing he isnt in the state he was against Grievous. It wasnt until he was nearly killed, that he managed to achieve unity with the force and get into the flow of battle.
Anakin is still above Obi-Wan overall for sure, as you stated. But i hate when people pretend like Obi-Wan was in tip-top shape and in his prime on mustafar, while anakin was a wreck who couldnt even control himself. It is true that anakin by that point was an uncontrolled whirlwind of emotion and was unchained and unfocused, while in truth, Obi-Wan was also very conflicted, just watched his life come down around him, watched a close friend of 13 years be choked to unconsciousness by the love of her life, and had to fight his closest friend, his own brother, to the death. He was not in good circumstances either.
great video, and i’d love to see a video ranking the NJO-FOTJ era council, and seeing how they stack up against the strongest prequal era jedi
NJO time Jedi just all get “scaled” really high according to most people since they chronologically came last and writers love to use statements like “most powerful or greatest”, but the actual feats of alot of them besides Luke, Jacen, Kyle, and Kyp are generally less formidable then the prequel era council I’d say
59:12 Looks at Anakin's theta storm feat
The same classic intro after all this time, we really do love to see it
Just starting it… thank you for doing this content.
I always find the Killik to be a really unreliable source for any information. Like in there own trilogy where they forget they attacked a group of people.
Evan nice video but can you now do Kao Cen Darach vs Kas'im? Would be SUPER interesting
Let’s go!! Thanks so much for all the hard work here, very much enjoyed the video!!
Video Recommendation: Mace Windu vs Darth Krayt
Just gotta add that i love how you have ratchet and clank music in the background :)
Vibing to the intro
Where do you place the strongest form of Qui-Gon Jinn and Count Dooku in this list?
And please Rank Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode 1 and 2
I would rank ROTS Dooku in S Tier and Qui-Gon in C Tier though we don't know for sure how strong Qui-Gon was in his Prime. I would say Episode 2 Anakin/Obi-Wan would also rank in C Tier given that Kit Fisto was shown to be stronger than what was basically THAT version of Obi-Wan in the Novel Cestus Deception. I would currently say that episode 1 Obi-Wan would rank in E Tier and Episode 1 Anakin wouldn't even make the list since he's a literal kid.
I absolutely love your videos, mate. keep up the amazing work
S+ Tier (Post Prequal/Hypothetical):
Full Potential Anakin Skywalker, OT Yoda, Ben Kenobi (A New Hipe), Shaak-ti (Force Unleashed)
S Tier (Strongest Jedi ever):
Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi
A Tier (Highest Echelon):
Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Depa Billaba, Ki-Adi-Mundi
B Tier (Among the strongest in Jedi History):
Kit Fisto, Agnen Kolar, Saesee Tiin
C Tier (Exceptional):
Oppo Rancisis, Eeth Koth , Yaddle
D Tier (Average):
Yarael Poof, Even Piell, Adi Gallia
E Tier (Below Average):
Stass Allie, Coleman Trebor
F Tier (Fodder):
Coleman Kcaj, Unnamed purple guy, Unnamed Gran
Well, this upload made my month.
I'd bump Ki Adi Mundi up to the top of his tier, but other than that a good list.
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This has been a good video. I love EU content the best. To hell with Filoni and the rest of modern Lucasfilm defiled disrespectful tainted fruits.
For these Jedi in their orginally intended and designed EU continuity foundation versions how much trouble could say something like Astartes, Eversors, and Dark Eldar Wyches from Warhammer 40k give them in melee combat and the physical and mental performance to keep up with such brutal grimm warriors?
I think mentally even alot of experience mentally fortified Jedi will be having trouble in that kind of situation if they had to perceive the intense dark thoughts and feeling of what something a Wych is like or how insanely unstable being broken so many times a Eversor can be.
Your back! Will the versus series also continue? If so my recommendations are:
- Anakin (Episode 3) and Luke (Dark Empire) vs Jaina and Jacen.
- Kao Cen Darach and Satele Shan vs Rahm Kota and Starkiller
- Darth Revan and Darth Malak vs Darth Krayt and Darth Talon.
Stop using anakin and Luke and use someone new.
53:57-53:59 really funny Evan 😂😂
Now we need a sith ranking tier list next please.
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In the ROTS novelization: Anakin is stated to be the fastest Jedi of his generation
How do you feel about this statement and can it be debunked?
He is. Legends Post IH Anakin scales with Pre order 66 Sidious while Mace only scales with Dooku
I don't like how so many people underrate Obi Wan because he got rekt by Dooku. It's the only fight we see him getting so overwhelmed and in ROTS he kept up with Dooku until Dooku used the force. Dooku also knocked down Anakin just before this but focused on removing Obi Wan from the fight.
Will there be new Star Wars stuff (Legends reviews) on Fanalysis? Also idk if I would subscribe to the NJO council stomping the PT one (unless you mean the one from FOTJ?). Idk I really dislike the Denningverse and there's extremely weird power scaling in there.
Shaak ti died to vader in order 66, yoda sees it in his vision in one of the last episodes of season 6
could you do a list of weapons masters?
Coleman deserves to be ranked a little higher I think. He survived Order 66.
Amazing as always!
Remember Adi Gallias red lightsaber in the classic game Star Wars Episode 1: Jedi Power Battles ? And Plo Koons yellow lightsaber in it?
Are you gonna do a “Sith weakest to strongest”?
Eventually! Depends what you guys want and how I can put it together.
It's finally here! COLEMAN TREBOR SWWEEEEEEPPPPP
Obi-Wan Kenobi was a legendary Force-sensitive human male Jedi Master who served on the Jedi High Council during the final years of the Republic Era. As a Jedi General, Kenobi served in the Grand Army of the Republic that fought against the Separatist Droid Army during the Clone Wars. Kenobi, however, was forced into exile as a result of the Great Jedi Purge. As a mentor, Kenobi was responsible for training two members of the Skywalker family, Anakin and Luke Skywalker, both of whom served in turn as his Padawan in the ways of the Force.
Kenobi was born on the planet Stewjon in 57 BBY. He was Force-sensitive, and therefore taken from his family and inducted into the Jedi Order as a child. Raised in the Jedi Temple on the planet Coruscant, Kenobi was assigned to Jedi Master Qui-Gon Jinn. In 32 BBY, Kenobi attained the rank of Jedi Knight by defeating the Sith Lord Darth Maul during the Invasion of Naboo. He also chose to train Anakin Skywalker-the prophesied Chosen One who was destined to destroy the Sith and restore balance to the Force-having promised Jinn who died in the lightsaber duel against Maul.
With the advent of the Clone Wars in 22 BBY, Kenobi adopted the military rank of High Jedi General in the Grand Army of the Galactic Republic, and was given command of the Open Circle Fleet, the Third Systems Army, and the 7th Sky Corps. Clone Marshal Commander CC-2224 "Cody" served as his second-in-command throughout the galaxy-wide conflict, with their forces achieving multiple victories over the Confederacy of Independent Systems. In the midst of the war, his old enemy Maul re-emerged into galactic affairs, bent on revenge against Kenobi for his debilitating defeat decades prior. Though they clashed in heated duels on multiple occasions, Maul failed to end Kenobi's life or cripple his spirit, despite murdering his former love, Satine Kryze, Duchess of Mandalore.
In 19 BBY, Kenobi killed the Separatist Supreme Commander, General Grievous during the Battle of Utapau, effectively ending the Clone Wars. He later survived the initial onslaught of the Great Jedi Purge against the Jedi Order, which resulted from the machinations of the Sith Lord Darth Sidious. After discovering that Skywalker had turned to the dark side of the Force, becoming Sidious' Sith apprentice under the name of Darth Vader, Kenobi defeated his former Padawan on Mustafar and exiled himself to the Outer Rim planet Tatooine as the Galactic Empire rose to power. Adopting a hermit lifestyle as "Ben Kenobi," he watched over Vader's and Senator Padmé Amidala's son, Luke. Ten years later, Kenobi left exile to rescue Leia Organa, Luke's twin sister, and was pursued by the Empire's Inquisitorius and Vader himself. Later, Kenobi was hunted down once again by Maul, whom he finally slew to protect the young Luke. Kenobi began the boy's Jedi training in 0 BBY, and soon after encountered Vader aboard the first Death Star, where he sacrificed himself to ensure that Luke and his allies escaped from the Sith Lord. In death, Kenobi became one with the Force which allowed him to continue guiding Luke throughout the Galactic Civil War. In 4 ABY, Kenobi reunited with his former student, Anakin Skywalker, who died destroying his Sith Master in order to save his son. Kenobi was remembered as a legendary Jedi Master during the rise of the New Republic; Ben Solo, the son of Luke's twin sister, Princess Leia Organa, was named after Kenobi. Solo's turn to the dark side left Luke disillusioned with the Jedi Order's legacy, and he held Kenobi responsible for Anakin's transformation into Vader. However, Luke's faith would eventually be restored with the aid of Darth Sidious's granddaughter Rey, to whom Kenobi would lend his voice and strength in a final battle and victory against her resurrected ancestor on Exegol in 35 ABY. Called to the cold planet Orto Plutonia to ascertain why the Republic had lost contact with a clone outpost, Kenobi and Skywalker, along with Pantoran Chairman Chi Cho and Senator Riyo Chuchi from the nearby moon Pantora, traveled to the Republic base. They found it to be to be devoid of life, as all clones stationed there having been killed-with a monument of their helmets erected inside. After visiting a nearby Separatist base, similar destruction was found, leading Kenobi to believe that the murders at the Republic's base were done by a third unknown party. Logs showed mysterious warriors had taken out the Separatist droids when investigating the world's southern canyon, which Kenobi decided would be a good starting point for their investigation.[87] Separatist base, similar destruction was found, leading Kenobi to believe that the murders at the Republic's base were done by a third unknown party. Logs showed mysterious warriors had taken out the Separatist droids when investigating the world's southern canyon, which Kenobi decided would be a good starting point for their investigation.[87]
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Kenobi surprised by a hug given by Thi-Sen in lieu of a handshake.
When Skywalker and Kenobi headed to the location they met the leader of the Talz people Thi-Sen and their associates, communicating with the natives using rudimentary hand signals and drawings. The Jedi learned that battle droids had attacked the Talz and the clones were accidentally caught in the middle of the conflict. The pair returned to the Republic base, and knowing that the Talz only wanted peace, arranged a diplomatic meeting between the Pantorans and Talz. However, Chi Cho angrily refused to accept any peaceful outcome and provoked a war between him and Thi-Sen's people as he refused to accept peace despite the protests of Chuchi and the Jedi. He declared it an internal affair of Pantora to remove the Jedi from the equation, ordering them to submit to him because they were under the Senate's jurisdiction.[87] When Skywalker and Kenobi appealed to Chuchi to find a way to resolve the political matter diplomatically, she contacted the Speaker of the Pantoran Assembly who granted her the authority to negotiate peace and declared the Chairman out of order. Though Chuchi wanted the Jedi to negotiate on Pantora's behalf, they refused, as it was her people who the Talz were warring with. However, the solution came too late as Chi Cho was attacked before Kenobi, Skywalker, and Chuchi landed and halted the Talz's attack. To settle the conflict between the Pantorans and the Talz, Chuchi met with Thi-Sen, establishing an agreement that allowed the Talz to live in peace on the planet. As the Senator and the Jedi boarded a gunship off-world, Kenobi congratulated the Senator in establishing peace and urged her to make it last and act as an example to others.[87] The Jedi Master felt that the peace achieved through the balancing of both sides had been a unique challenge.[55]
The Jedi Council later agreed to send Kenobi, Skywalker, and Tano, to Naboo in response to intelligence that suggested that a Separatist bio-lab had been set up on the planet at Amidala's suggestion. When Amidala and Binks lost contact while searching for the lab, Skywalker sent Tano along with the Gungan native Peppi Bow to locate them. Meanwhile, Kenobi and Skywalker arrived on Naboo learned from new information discovered by Captain Gregar Typho that Separatist scientist Nuvo Vindi was using the lab to perfect the deadly Blue Shadow Virus so as to release it into key Republic star systems. Kenobi and Skywalker proceeded to plan an infiltration of the facility to prevent the virus from being spread across the galaxy.[89] While they waited in the hangar bay, Kenobi took note of Skywalker's increased levels of agitation during the mission. After being contacted by Tano, Kenobi and Skywalker left instructions for her to cause a diversion. On the other side of the lab, the pair entered and met with her before beginning a search for Vindi's viral bombs. Kenobi located the room where the bombs were held with his clone troopers, instructing his men to deactivate them all. Though Vindi attempted to release the virus, the Jedi were able to apprehend him and rescue Amidala and Binks.[89]
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Kenobi talking to an Angel on Iego
As Kenobi and Skywalker prepared to transfer Vindi to Coruscant for trial, Tano, Amidala, and several clones discovered that a vial of the virus was missing. Though the alarm was sounded prior to the vial's detonation, the virus was released throughout the lab. Tano, Amidala, and the clones with them were compromised and infected by the virus. As they worked to ensure droids would not escape the facility, Skywalker and Kenobi implored the Naboo as to what the cure for the virus was. Upon learning it, the Jedi then flew to planet Iego to search for the reeksa root antidote to the virus found there.[88] While on Iego, Skywalker destroyed a number of reprogrammed battle droids owned by the local native Jaybo Hood, which Kenobi chided him for. Hood then told the pair where to find the antidote they were looking for, though warned it was dangerous. The young man also informed the Jedi that the phantom leader of Iego, Drol, would not allow any individual to leave the planet. Kenobi and Skywalker rode a xandu to the bottom of a ravine and quickly gathered some reeksa root before escaping from the carnivorous plant. Upon trying to leave Iego, the two Jedi discovered that "Drol" was actually a Separatist laser security system surrounding the planet and enlisted Hood's help in destroying it despite the skepticism of the other natives. When successful, Kenobi and Skywalker traveled back to Naboo and delivered the antidote that saved Tano, Amidala, and the clone troopers. Kenobi also offered Binks blaster training to hone his skills, which the Gungan enthusiastically accepted.[88] After the event, the Jedi Master became more keenly aware of Skywalker's emotional instability when around Amidala and resolved to watch the pair more closely as the war continued.[55]
Great Video! I love ranking characters within universe good to see one online of such quality.
I think I'd put Kit Fisto in A Tier. He was one of the few Jedi to withstand Grevious, was considered the Shii Cho master, and we see him most often despite no lines in the films.
In fact I don't know if I'd agree with most of A Tier as a sure thing except Ki Adi Mundi and Shaak Ti. Don't know about Plo Koon and Depa Bilaba.
I'd put Depa in the B tier. Blades expert but relatively weak in the Force. She'd have been on Mace's strike team if available. If the rest of that strike team is B then so is she.
Plo is powerful in the Force and a Jedi ace, but I can't think of a single notable lightsaber combat he excelled in. Token video game throwaway line aside. Savage is a brute who always needed back up from Dooku, Maul or Asajj. If Yaddle is C so is he. Yaddle dueled Dooku in the recent Tales of the Jedi and did better than Plo would be able to.
I'm curious where you would put Sora Bulq, Quinlan Vos, The Dark Lady?
Also curious where you'd rank the various Padawans of the Legends Prequels Era. Anakin, Ferus Olin, Ahsoka, Barriss Offee, Zett Jukas, Whie Malreaux, Scout,-I think that's the order I'd put them in.
Kit Fisto never stood against Grievous in legends and he literally defeated by Ventress in 1v1 also Dooku said himself many times that Grievous is much more stronger and faster than Ventress. Also Depa Billaba with rage amp literally defeated Mace Windu in a duel and she is also a master of Vaapad just like Mace. She is probably the strongest one in A tier and she literally comatised after that duel because she went insane and her mind couldn't handle the darkside, war's reality and Republic's future. She literally foresee the future unlike Mace and said "Jedi will lost". That's why she wasn't in council anymore and wasn't one of Mace's team because She was in a vegetative state for months but in canon she wake up somehow and died in order 66. Depa is such an underrated character tho
I actually cannot wait to watch this
Idea for versus match: Rahm Kota vs. one of the Legends Inquisitors.
Please rank the Sith Lords Next
Ok, everything is gine, but TFU Shaak Ti is not above ROTS Yoda xd
Ayo wtf
best sub noti all year🙏🏻
Love your work sir. But for next verse match you should do Kyle katarn vs. Obi wan
Today is a good day for the Force!!!!😊
Hey Evan. Have you ever considered a video about your feelings on the new Disney Star Wars?
If that's out of your wheelhouse then I get it. I was just curious because you definitely seem to gravitate towards legends, but it seems like you at least keep up with the new stuff.
A very well done video, I've always loved seeking out different, yet not unreasonable, evidence and views of Star Wars power scaling, its never something that everyone wants to agree with but the context evidence and conversation to be had is by far the most interesting part of SW power scaling to me
side note: despite being subbed to Evan for a few years now I'd forgotten about his content, was introduced to Evan by watching his versus series, starting with vids like mace windu v Galen marek, @EvanNova95 thank you for all your content over the years :)
I would love a ranking of the major sith video from vitiate to palptine to darth Cadeus to darth kraty ect.
Nice! Great job
In canon would it be something like
1.ROTS Yoda
2.ROTS Mace Windu
3.ROTS Anakin
4.ROTS Obi-Wan
5.DD Vos(pre ROTS I think he would be 4 but if it's the entire clone wars then I don't think so)
6.ROTS Plo Koon
After than in canon im not sure who would be 7 but I assume Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Ahsoka, Eeth Koth, and other people I am forgetting would prob be there
Shaak ti is our immortal queen she never dies why did anikan go too palatine when he should have got taught by her smh
People gotta stop putting yoda as top, he has 900 yrs of experience & couldn't beat Sidious who only had what 50-60 yrs? HE IS DOG SHIT! He should've been bodying Palpa for free but he couldn't beat him in saber combat nor force & had to retreat. He also couldn't beat Dooku who beat Anakin & Obi-Wan with ease & Yoda with no sweat. Dooku ripped them rocks down with no effort but yoda is seen struggling his ass off, Yaddle didn't even struggle that hard with a giant blast door dropped on top of her weighing similar or more weight in a compromised position.
Yoda was & is weak. Mace beat & wouldve killed Palpatine in a 1v1 which idiots denied al these yrs cause he definitely wanted to electrocute himself & feel that pain to the point it disfigured himself 😒 Mace is grand master rank & the 1 smart enough to not trust Anakin, when the moment he did give him an ouch he betrayed him & fucked the galaxy. Yoda is master rank & at best B+ tier. Yoda couldn't even help him or see through his bs lies to prevent what happened.
that s+ is nastyyyy
Lucas has said Mace beat Palpatine. The Novelists added their opinions outside of the movie's script/screenplay's. This is where you have to remember that when the movie takes precedence over novelations in terms of canon. Jedi Masters/Knights don't have Power Levels like Goku vs Ginyu on Namek with some scouter. Midichlorian ratings mean nothing. Anakakin & Obi-Wan lost plenty of battles in the Clone Wars, but they were some of the best. Age, lightsaber style, experience, type of battle, situation, all play a role in whether 1 person would win over another.
Ok but wasn’t Coleman Kcaj one of the Jedi that evaded Order66 and survived under the Empire? Like the guy who was on the list along with Oppo Rancisis or smth?
Well Coleman Kcaj also survived Order 66
In my personal opinion, Oppo Rancisis should have been in B tier. Especially with his tactical insight and force abilities, plus Battle Mediation is VERY HARD to master Spiritually and Rancisis' Mediation was just as potent up there with jedi akin to Odan-Urr, Nomi Sunrider, and Legacy era Tra'Saa. He might not be as powerful as Kolar and Fisto in terms of Saber combat but he is most definitely in their league when it comes Force Abilities (Definitely Stronger than Kolar and every other users in lesser tiers) and in my opinion in the same league as Mundi and Billaba. This is a dude who fought a taskforce of skilled Anzati Assassins (which most already know are trained to kill Jedi and are essentially Space Vampires) who got the drop on him and still won with him being physically and Spiritually exhausted plus old age and fatigue playing their parts as well. This to me is just as impressive as Shaak Ti fighting a swarm of Magnaguards during the Battle of Coruscant when she was tired as well before the fight. If he was healthy, I believe Oppo could have had a shot of taking out Sora Bulq especially if Sora is going all Savage Oppress on Rancisis.
disagree with where you put gallia. she mastered force lightning, the shockwave ability, even force mesmerise. she was also unlucky when she got hit with the force blast- unlike obi wan and anakin, dooku, ventress who suffered the same with their barriers pierced.. doesn't mean they lacked in skill or focus..no, and gallia just landed in the side of a ship with 80 km speed and force, hitting her head, getting stunned. so, she is higher.. koth and mundi- high, though i rate tiin lower than where you put him- lower than koth and adi, even lower than agen potentially, his duelling abilities are non existent beyond mere sparring, and that's next to nothing.
i also put agen lower than eeth- why? he has nothing near the force precision, skill or power that eeth brings in legends and canon- there's more indication of eeth being a swordsmith than agen, even though agen has it listed as a notable skillset of his (eeth seen with a green double bladed lightsaber and being present at the jedi temple workshop in cwa ), and eeth is just too close in duelling skill to have any compensation in that area from agen. while you can argue fairly in both sides that oppo, yaddle, yarael, piell are overhyped/rated, tiin and kolar are actually overhyped with far more to support that claim than refute it. literally no indication of any special offence-defence force abilities usable in any serious duel kolar and tiin didn't survive grievous twice, didn't survive dooku once- no feats like that.
imo you also have knight anakin a whisker too high, ti a little too low, koon and kenobi are neck and neck with her, kenobi being a combination of them both in his style and combative approach. why do i rate anakin lower? because he is not as skilled as other council members when he is not in his avatar state, he is only stronger than most. he has frequently been brought up short in both universes because his arrogance got in the way, or his fear did. he did not work as hard as other jedi who weren't the chosen one, who were jedi since birth or age 2, no matter how you look at it that is the case.
i would like to see where you'd place tyvokka and micah giiett.
Plo koon is definitely S tier