Even when you consider the numbers, the clone were spread thin across the galaxy. Even when you also consider the B2 being used as shields, the jedi and the clones lost easily.
I'm still confused as to how only 3 million clones were fighting a galactic wide war...Germany invaded Russia with that many men yet I'm expected to believe the Republic was winning a galactic war with the same amount of men?
@@shamrockshnake1366 well palpatine was controlling the war, if he wanted the republic to win the republic will win, if he wants the separatists to win the separatists will win
No matter how good the droids are, they can't outmatched the clones in conventional combats, reducing the number of your soldiers to try to match the clones skills, ingenuity and independent acting ability would be a death sentence. As said in the video, you have to play to your army's strength, not to your enemy's
the real ultimate force would be the use of every race under the sun droids as regs clones as there controllers and commanders jedi as shock troops mandolorions as quick responce and so on and so forth every race in the SW galaxy has some niech position in a military but no faction has ever exploited
Two possibilities, they didn’t have the facilities to produced battle droids in large numbers. And there may not have been a great need for them as the Rebels were more starfighter oriented, and the majority of the Rebels greatest victories against the Empire were in space, not on a planet.
Some things to note about the B1, post-Naboo design: - You very rarely needed to alter their designs for different environments. Because they had about the strength of your average human, combined with their relatively light-weight, you could deploy them in just about any most gravity wells. - They could identify friend from foe. This may seem common sense but sometimes organics can mistakenly fire on friendlies due to confusion. And though it might be easy to confuse a B1 that is operating independently of a Droid Control Ship, said confusion seldom results in friendly fire. - They can jog. Walking is controlled falling and jogging even more difficult, this means that on average, despite being cheap, their gyroscopic systems were pretty good (Clone Wars Series shenanigans aside.) - Their design allowed them to operate in multiple roles. Having fingers means you can push buttons and operate controls. While the B1s do not posses the capabilities to operate more high speed craft, in the general performance as crew of let's say a capital starship, accidents are rare. - Engineering: Here is an interesting one, this requires its own division. Engineers are problem-solvers and have to have a pretty good understanding of what they are working on. Take the case of the Malevolence and the repair of its hyperdrive. A hyperdrive is very complex and the fact that the B1s were able to successfully repair one, is not something to be ignored. true they were not too quick about it, but they still did it. - Machine-learning: Much like our real world has programming languages such as C++ and Javascript, Star Wars Droids have their own as well. it is called bab-prime. The very nature of this code has self-optimization built right in, which means droids learn over time, eventually resulting in the Star Wars equivalent of sentience, called Meta-programming state in SW lore. Even the dumbest droid, given enough time without memory wipes will become sentient. In a meta-programming state, b1s will undoubtedly resolve the problems with both their software and the limits of their hardware.
When you take the individual specialties into account, the B1 droids have the greatest amount of utility. The fact you can take advantage of the mass production of B1s and give them many different specialties like sniper, anti-armor, and even pilot and firefighter is pretty amazing in my eyes.
@@UnswimmingFishYT if the writers weren’t adamant on constantly using the b1’s as jokes, they’d have been much more effective. During the Prequel Movies (apart from the third) they were competent enough to do their jobs. As soon as the squeaky voice appeared they immediately became walking targets.
@@Taskmasterxyz This is true to an extent, but there are some cases in the clone wars where you still see the effectiveness of B1s when they swarm, like Di getting killed early in the show. I think they could have shown more of that, but being initially started as a kids' show, they probably wanted to keep more comical elements in.
@@UnswimmingFishYT True. I’d have loved if they were able to make the droids comedic, but not at the expense of their effectiveness. More scenes like that would have done the trick, but we often have the main three Jedi (Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka) as the jedi around, and they could not die.
Fun Fact: Ossus, the largest habitable planet in Star Wars, is 29,000 km long, while coruscant is 12,240 km, being 502 km smaller than Earth. Mustafar is one of the smallest planets at 4,200 km.
@@Mate397 I believe the gravity is slightly different than earth as most structures seen are stated to need gravity supports. However Anakin and Obiwan’s duel makes it tricky to say🤣
The Droideka would have been far more practical as a miniature tank-shaped robot with a rotating turret. This would enable it to attack while moving, with its shield up, on any terrain.
I always loved Commando Droids. Imagine if the Empire used them! They would’ve been great as throw-away assassins, commandos, or infiltrators. The ISB or Rebels could’ve used them too to infiltrate the Stormtrooper Corps too. Would’ve been interesting.
You know I thought the B1 was gonna be at the bottom but seeing them at the top kinda makes me happy. Especially since it works with the saying: " Cannot beat a classic."
I think the B2 was cost effective enough that the seps could have deployed them in overwhelming numbers if they had abandoned the B1 and not wasted money on some of the more experimental Droid models. That would have been a terrifying army.
B1’s made up the bulk of the Seppies maintenance crews, and engineers and pilots. B2’s don’t have that level of versatility due to their bulky design and the fact that some of them have a cannon arm.
@@Taskmasterxyz It always puzzled me why they didn't have hybrid crews to save on money, using B2's as the main fighting force whilst humans crew the ships and do all the labor. I know they don't have the same numbers as the republic but it's not asking much from a confederacy of multiple planets.
Commando droids were just insane. It takes a very skilled veteran clone to take these guys out in close quarters. Also I think the B2 variants are just busted especially the Super rocket trooper an absolute menace in space and in the sky.
Idk why, but I just love how in the thumbnail the B1 and B2 are arm wrestling, while using a rolled up Droideka as a table and the BX is there as the ref.
Part of the reason why the commando druid wasn’t so effective in the show is because they weren’t used right about 80% of the time they were as standard infantry instead of the role that’s in their name, commandos. They demonstrated their effectiveness in the episode rookies by them easily taking the Rishi outpost but almost killing Rex and Cody at the same time. The only reason why they lost is because of plot armor allowing them not to notice several flaws in Rex’s plan to get inside.
The Destroyer Droid was really more mobile artillery than infantry. It was designed to quickly get somewhere and stay there, launching heavy fire and being a hard to destroy element. Another thing that made B1s effective (and maybe B2s but I haven't seen art with it) were STAPs. Despite being lightly armored, that speed and extra firepower in almost any terrain, meant your flanks and rear were never really safe.
I always figured the CIS battle droids produced by the star forge could be the ultimate weapon that could conquer the galaxy. Imagine making various limitless droids specializing in the vast tactics of war and occupation.
Not really, they were there to do the job themselves. a 37% kill rate (against Clone troopers) considering they have inhibition restraints for legal purposes and the jedi blocking everything isn't a bad kill rate at all
@@tk-6967 well if other droids were involved I was just trying to justify the relevance of having the other droid. Your not wrong at all. Its like justifying an expense for logical reason lol. rather than just because you felt like it haha.
I like to take the route of the B2 Supers if only for the fact that Republic Commando displayed how deadly they could be and how well armored they were.
The performance of a B1 is perfectly on display late in the Clone Wars, when Windu and Kenobi together are completely overwhelmed going after Trench, and if not for Echo's hacking, there's a serious chance they could have killed Windu, possibly the best fighter the Republic had as a whole. It makes complete sense to claim the B1 is the best, because nobody can really fight 100 of them.
@@Kyle-gu3ge They're certainly more dangerous in terms of individual units, but B1s are at least three times cheaper to make, and three of them is a serious threat to most people. If we assume it's exactly triple cost, a B2 is better in small numbers, because one of those can outperform B1s enough to be worth it. However if we look at how many are used, a B1 appears to be closer to ten times cheaper, and while a B2 would be pretty challenging to deal with for an average soldier, 10 B1s is impossible for most individuals without having a massive tactical advantage over them, like a bomb or extremely well-set defensive position.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Clone commandos are a bit overrated. They had drastically better equipment, but weren't all that much better as fighters in most cases. There are several times regular clones take out B2s and it's a fair match, and we also have times when regular people beat clones, which must mean a standard clone trooper is a good example of average soldiers. Based on this, it's reasonable to expect a normal person could break a B2, as long as they're not just brute-forcing it. They're certainly advantaged over most, but it's similar to how sword duels have worked in reality. Well-trained knights used to be killed by average foot soldiers with inferior equipment sometimes. The biggest advantage in any large-scale fight tends to be either a very good position or a bigger army.
My pick will be the commando droids, so much so that it, alongside the BTL-B Y-Wing and Hyena bomber, the Wolfpack clones, the Resurgent-class battlecruiser, and lightsaber crystal bleeding, should have been part of the CWMMP and the rest of Legends first.
B1 battle droids were the tits. Cheap, numerous in numbers, efficient, and of all the battle droids, were pretty fucking hilarious. Their loyalty was unmatched. I remember that time when they reprogrammed the B1's. R2's B1 squad was one of the most human I've seen in a robot
I actually agree with this assessment. One of the things that most people don't remember to take into account is that in practically all cases the Republic army was invading separatist controlled worlds. And this was not because the Republic was taking it to the separatists as often as it was that the separatists were claiming more planets faster than the Republic could keep up with. And fact of the matter is that most of the other models of droid used by the separatists army were not around until later in the conflict, or at least not in Mass, like the B1 battle droid was. As deeply put it it was a highly underrated Droid design.
That was supposed to say as Geetsly put it, but I was listening on the road at the time so I was using voice typing (also why separatists wasn't capitalized like Republic was).
My bet was with the B1 and didn't disappoint me, but now I have a question, how does the droid army works in battle? How is controlled? What is their main strategy and tactics during an aggressive or defensive battle?
Aside from environmental factors, put your pricey units where they can shine, then yeet B1's at the enemy with B2's dotted about to spice it up for the Clones.
The Magnaguards (not mentioned here, although they were in service from the First Battle of Geonosis) were even better in a one-to-one fight than the commando droids, but were even more expensive.
Three things: 1.) If you're looking for better Droid models, how about Magna Guards, they could go toe to toe with Jedi and even win. 2.) Fan of the B2: What about the Battle of Danttoni in the 2003 Clone Wars micro series, the army of B2s there did decently well against the Clones. Two Clones had to team-up to take down just one B2, and even then, the B2 managed to take several of their shots before exploding and said explosion knocked the Clones back. 3.) Personally, I'd go with the Commandos over the B1s. They are pretty good, even when they lost fighting the Jedi and Cones at the Citadel in Season 3 of The Clone Wars, they put up a good fight, remember the one that headbutted Obi-Wan.
Sometimes, they fail, as the likes of fighting Shaak Ti have shown. Dantooine, and yeah, blast explosive damage. Curse some video games for spoiling me for not having them. If only they were a part of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project first though, alongside some other TCW 2008 material.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Fair point. Yeah, I always loved being able to use the explosion damage to send enemies flying in the OG Battlefront games. I'd love to use that trick on Jedi and Sith in Cloud City in Battlefront 1 to kill them by blasting them off the edge. I can agree with that.
I think the B1 is the best. This is due to how good they are compared to how cheap they are to create. They are competent gunners and pilots as well. Although they are fairly unintelligent, they still know how to shoot a blaster in any direction. I rest my case.
My favourite droid is probably the b2 with the wrist rocket launcher, even if it isn't the best, I feel with the rocket launcher it makes it the best multi-purpose droid in the clone wars. The rocket gives it that extra bonus that caused the regular b2 droids to be just not quite good enough.
For me the commando droid is my favorite able to operate effectively in small numbers and independently. Use a large force of B1s and B2s as a unavoidable distraction then send in a commando squad to strike the enemy's logistics and sabotage strategic targets then as the enemy is without supply and attempting to repair the damage finish them off.
3:18 the funny thing is that it’s only within the last century at most that the saying “jack of all trades, master of none,,,,” not only had its second half almost forgotten about but began having the saying used in a negative manner. The full saying is “jack of all trades, master of none, is still better than a master of one.”
The good ol' strategy of sheer numbers. I guess the republic would end up on a stalemate at some point and be forced to make some concessions if the subplot to the war did not exist Also, now I'm thinking of the starfighter droids and how would they rank. Or rather, comparing them to your standard Republic/Rebel/Empire starfighter pilot
The Rebels have the best overall pilots, but in terms of consistency with good pilots, it would be CIS-Empire-Rebels-Republic (not including Force peoples).
The B1 battle droids were literally the back bone to the Confederacy war efforts, and without them the CIS would have never be able to stand against the Galactic Republic’s population alone.
Geetsly's: The B1 Battle Droids are the best inventions of the Separatists Alliance! Battle Droids: And this is why we are the true faces of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Not General clanking Grievous!
I feel like droidekas were misused by the CIS. They would have performed best as platoon machine gunners, taking up a static position, presumably one that provides cover in addition to the defense the shield grants, and laying down suppressive fire to pin clones in position while the B1’s and B2’s move up to take ground. They wouldn’t even need to produce them in particularly large numbers compared to the other droids, maybe 1 for every 100 B2’s and every 500 B1’s, if even. Droidekas could provide heavier suppression at a company level, while individual platoons and squads have B1’s with lighter MGs.
While I myself view them differently, I cannot argue with your logic! The Droideka, you're spot on. The BX is the superior model by design and function. The B2 is in my view alot better than you make it out to be, but it is all in all just a beefed up B1 that never got it's potential fully exploited. The B1 deserves this spot, because if it didn't it would not have been the hallmark unit of the CIS, it's design was almost 20 years old by the time the Clone Wars broke out and it's use persisted far beyond that. It's weaknesses was also it's strenghts in many ways. The B1 is in many ways a timeless droid unit, but so is the B2. Personaly, I belive that the superior Battle droid would have been a B2 with the droid brain of a BX, thus allowing them to work alot better to their strenghts. Even better if they had used a down-sized form of the B3 Ultra battle droid. But hey, that's just me!
Probably Lucien Draay. Sure, his Jedi Covenant wreaked havoc by being blindsided by a wonky prophecy involving red spacesuits, rogue Padawans, and the return of the Sith, but his second, more benevolent Covenant come the end of his KotOR comic story arc was implied to have helped revitalize the Old Jedi Order after the events of KotOR II.
In related, in the Skywalker saga Lego game, when playing the Droidika If you do some combination of air attacks and move right after You can actually dash while having the shield up I haven't found a way to repeat it consistently But I have done it multiple times Simply jump and attack and start moving If done right, the shield should deploy while moving It's not that practical but is nice to use when you want to travel the super speed it's known for and just zoom past enemies
Geetsly's: 'B1s are individually useless and can't do anything on their own' Meanwhile B1s having a 37% kill rate against the *much* more expensive clone troopers.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Comes at the cost of being much more expensive. How are they gonna replenish ammo as well? B1s can do pretty much anything at the cost of them being more talkative. They can go from being programmed to just figure out how to pilot any small vehicle to being a pro sniper to controlling capital ships to being a frontline doofus, all for a relatively cheap cost and easy storage.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Those aren't modifications, those are separate models. And the price point is significant enough. They are fine as sergeants or squad leaders with some firepower, but B2s without B1 support is ridiculous. Honestly you may as well get droidekas if you wanted to cash out that much, especially given that they were still being used and manufactured illegally.
for me, is the droidica... those things have a great rate of fire and a shield generator... not to mention that when they are in the ball form they are pretty fast... they are army breakers.
We now have Jedi: Survivor with all 4, and individually, the commando droids were the hardest to deal with. But when I did the force tear challenge that essentially just sent swarms of B1s at me, I had trouble, but the commando droids were still more scary to me. So either there weren't enough B1s in that challenge, or the BX commando was just overwhelmingly skilled.
The droidikas having 3 legs would have just as much stability than 4, if not more. Ever have a wobbly chair where one leg is a bit off? The most stable stools have 3 legs - three points of contact is also general rule when mountain climbing.
I believe the best droid in the C.I.S. Would be the B1-A Series Air Battle Droid. It’s cheap at only 2,100 credits, it’s weapons were built in, their flight abilities allowed them to be deployed in the air without the need to use easy to hit transports, and swarm tactics would work to this droids favor as hitting a legion coming at you from above would be hardest to hit than columns of droids marching at you on foot.
I feel like the "ultimate" battle droid would be something like a B1.5. Put the motors and coordination software from something like a Commando in the body of a B1, and keep everything else. You suddenly have a vast army of droid marines that can take and hold ground by closing distance, boxing in the enemy and giving them no chance to take a breath without inhaling several blaster bolts owing to having absurd agility when compared to an organic soldier, and even by just applying basic tactics they'd be able to get in and out of good firing positions and push an offense. Assault droids.
"A young soldier is grateful for the quality of his gun, an old soldier is grateful for the quality of the logistic". As you said, if it wasn't for Sidious, the Republic would have been absolutely crushed in less than 2 weeks into the Clone War.
I mean yes and no. The main problem was the CIS were more prepared for war than the Republic was but later on the tide did shift and Sidious did hinder both sides
@@kingorange7739 I don't really agree here, from my perspective, Sidious made sure that the Republic win the war, even though it was significantly weaker than the CIS. For example, take the first battle of Geonosis : at that point, the jedis were (almost) the only armed forces of the Republic, and they were absolutely mauled by the droid army in the arena. The very best warriors of the galaxy were crushed thousands of droids. Even if your soldiers are well trained and efficient, you cannot fight an enemy who outnumber you a thousand times.
@@Confused_surprise which for the early war point I would agree. However as time went on the tide of the war was turning to the Republic’s favor. And don’t forget Sidious provided much intel to the CIS that they otherwise wouldn’t of had if he wasn’t in the picture. I agree the CIS in the early to mid war period would had likely won, but I don’t agree with the idea that the Republic would had been crushed in a matter of weeks
The vultur droid were also one of the best droid in the CIS alongside the B1 While on a ground a single battledroid of any model couldnt Hope to match an organic soldier, a vultur droid would be more than a match against non jedi pilot on top of being able to be mass produced and Can also be used on the ground effectively
On paper, I'd say the commandos just for sheer versatility and effectiveness. The droideka may be the better infantry mulcher and guard unit, but nothing can match the BX commandos' combination of intelligence, agility, toughness and adaptability.
Yeah but they're not as effective as some of the assassin droids and clone commando is always going to be better than a droid commando. They lack the human part needed to be an effective commando
Here's my take: I think the BX is the more effective droid. In its limited production, while it was outmatched by Jedis and Clones, it most often won against non-commando units in its designated field - sabotage and infiltration. It was made to complement the main line of B1 and B2 pushes as flankers and saboteurs lay the groundwork for the main push. We have to keep in mind that because of the scale of the clone wars, how often would they encounter commandos or Jedi? Because of the point-of-view we're given throughout the show, we only see the times they've lost. These BX commandos regularly destroy clones and push commando units to their limits. They had an incredible K/D ratio that made them effective and they could still be produced in a number that the clones could not hope to match for special-forces training. To get a comparable soldier, years of training would have to be undertaken, several battles worth of experience has to be accrued, and a degree of luck in terms of personality to stay consistent and resistant to morale shocks has to be met - this is simply not enough to compete to a completely replaceable squad of BX commandos which deploy more units than their clone counterparts anyway. Moreover, their strengths and weaknesses are not variable, unlike organics. You know their strengths and weaknesses as they were produced. The same could not be said of two individual clones - the same physique but not the same skills and specialization or even experience. They were terrifying to face on the battlefield when employed correctly by their commanders and when supported by their counterparts. TL, DR BX units were just operationally more effective when compared to their B1 counterparts. They got more kills per individual unit and they didn't always encounter Jedi or comparable Elite forces on the battlefield - in fact, Jedi would've been a rarity considering how large the theatre of war really was. They usually deployed around 6-10 units per squad which work together to destroy standard clones and push their elite clone counterparts. Though expensive, they were cost-effective. Often accomplishing their mission or doing enough damage to weaken their objective so that a follow-up operation could be launched. Their use was different from both the B1 and B2 (the same could be said for the Droideka, it was used to protect against ship-to-ship boarding and locking down urban areas), the use of the BX was to flank, outmaneuver, distract, weaken, and possibly eliminate enemy forces so that their B1 and B2 brothers could punch through enemy lines - at this, they were very effective.
“The B2 was considered to be the direct successor to the B1. The B1 was cheap but was mostly a gentle administrator and confused security guard. The later in the war, the more often B2s were fielded across the galaxy, all of the B1s remained in light infantry divisions and usually appeared combined arms efforts. The dreaded cool simple fast and deadly, yet it could be vulnerable a couple times. It is often a Deathwish if you encounter a controlled area, and the price tag is not expected. Variations of it for us so annoying test to deal with on the large battlefields, especially when they are taking a long range pot shots at your armored vehicles. However, they usually don’t stand long against said armored vehicles without running or breaking. And I will say, I don’t even fully understand how they adapted the BX from the B1, but they were highly successful at making a mass-produced killer.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
Huge fan of your videos Geetsly! Its rare that I disagree with you, but just like the Templin Institutes dismissal of the clone army, I have to say that, in my opinion, this is a mistaken assessment. B1's maybe cheap to the point of always outnumbering the enemy by massive margins, but that only shows you how little the CIS is getting for its expenditure. B1's are easily tricked, easily intimidated, easily dodged, broken, and defeated. They are, I'm sad to say, waaaaay too overbalanced in favor of cost effectiveness. Don't get me wrong, if every B1 could be a quarter of the monster that Mr. Bones was, then they would pay for themselves in a heartbeat. But as they stand, literal street urchins with rocks and stick could run circles around an occupying force of B1's, to the point that even their more primitive, networked security models used in the battle of Naboo are hand and fist more effective than the "more advanced" independently "intelligent" B1 battle droids that followed. Sure, they have a huge, glaring weakness with the control ships, but at least those things could hit targets, patrol streets competently, and win battles. The B1's rarely do anything marginally competent om screen, while their precursors took over a planetary capital and defeated the Gungan army. Let me put it this way, if I had a certain amount of credits to purchase droids with, and I had to choose a single type of droid to use all the credits on, and then accomplish a random military objective, I would be more likely to lose at any given thing using a mess of B1's vs an equivalent value of any of the others. They really are more worthless than valuable if you take them by their observed feats, and obvious, constantly flaunted weaknesses. I would even take an equal value of their earlier, networked models, I don't mind them being less intelligence, I don't need the kind of "intelligence" that makes my droid soldier pause to ask another droid soldier if they do or do not take prisoners, or question my orders, consider or discuss surrender, or make jokes on a regular basis. The B1's aint it. (In my opinion)
I know the clone wars was made for kid's mostly but I do like the B1 battle droids humor they're dumb but funny personally. Also maybe Droidkas could be more effective to have walker legs intead? What about assassin droids? They're effective too and don't look too expensive to make I think?
I don't know how others feel, but I got PTSD from Republic Commandos looking at B2s. Republic Commandos made Droidekas feel like a pest/nuisance that only cost you a few rounds of ammo. But the B2s were like walking tanks that would soak up grenades and half your ammo supply. I still have nightmares of the Geonosis Droid factory when the team splits up and I'm alone with rows of B2s, not sure which ones will activate, and if I use a grenade, I risk waking up all of them.
People usually overestimate the effectiveness of horde armies. Keep in mind every soldier needs food, shelter, and transportation. So as a army increases in size, it becomes exponentially expensive to utilize it. Even b1s need battery refuels, and the greatest warriors can sometimes just die to environmental hazards before the battle has even started.
Actually, both the B1 Variants, and the other B-series models and others were specialized for their own mission profiles. What I mean is that the B1 was meant for simply overwhelming enemy positions or defending an extremely large area, and the B2 was meant for heavy battle on dangerous battlefields, and the BX was meant for infiltration, espionage, assassination, and bodyguard tasks, as well as missions that B1's and/or B2's cannot perform. The Destroyer Droid was meant for flushing out enemies outside the battlefield and stopping them from achieving whatever they would accomplish. Jedi didn't just fear them because of their capabilities, they also feared them because they could actually be anywhere. They could hide anywhere with their tremendous speed, and as seen with the Sharpshooter variant of the Destroyer Droid, they could pick off their targets from a distance. Ultimately, all of the droid units, overall, work hand-in-hand.
This same debate and result is applicable to the CIS fleet with the Munificent Star Frigate as the "B1" of the fleet. It's far from the strongest but is still quite capable even individually but on masse it's a terrifying thing to combat.
I think B2 could have been templated to specific roles, like base defense, mountaineers, drop bots or shock troopers. Basically anywhere you might need a more armored tactical specialist where sheer numbers don't matter. Built for the situation at hand.
The BX series Commando Droids are 100% the most badass of the bunch, they kind of remind me of a watered down version of John Rambo, if anyone has seen the Rambo movies
This isn't directly the topic of this video but, I need to know who was head of security while the Separatist Leaders were on mustafar? Who gives the most important people in the whole Separatist Alliance like 5 or was it 4 B1 battle droids? they couldn't even spare at least a few Magna guards for them or Commando Droids not even B2's? The place didn't even have any on-site droid security? unless the 4 droids protecting them was the on-site security and they brang no droids on their ship or brang any escorts in-case they were boarded or shot at on their way to the planet? Truly even the worst Separatist Officers had Commando droids guarding them. This problem in the Revenge of the Sith movie annoyed me the most, admit it they messed up. Don't tell me no one else ever looked at their security and felt they must really not know how many people want them dead. This is something that needs its own video, who agrees?
Kinda shocked that the B2 isn’t at the top but that’s just me be biased because I recently played republic commando and have a newfound respect for how god damn tanky those bastards are
In all fairness the B2's in Republic Commando are greatly OP. They are impressive though way tougher than they really should be. R2D2 wouldn't be doing what he did in Episode III, to the B2's, let's just put it that way. Republic Commando's B2's are the toughest they've ever been in any media.
The flaw with the B1 is the central computer. The B2 and BZ can operate independently if the central computer is taken out. The B1 couldn't until very late in the war and even then not well. Sci Fi 101: Never have a mass "off" button for your army.
Not to mention that the CIS army was designed to take out jedis, which is why the B1 is the best design; Overwhelming numbers is the weakness of the Jedis, if you surround them and shoot from all sides, the jedi can't block all shots, even if it depends on the level of the jedi, he will take down a few droids that will be replaced by a dozen more
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Even when you consider the numbers, the clone were spread thin across the galaxy. Even when you also consider the B2 being used as shields, the jedi and the clones lost easily.
I'm still confused as to how only 3 million clones were fighting a galactic wide war...Germany invaded Russia with that many men yet I'm expected to believe the Republic was winning a galactic war with the same amount of men?
@@shamrockshnake1366 well palpatine was controlling the war, if he wanted the republic to win the republic will win, if he wants the separatists to win the separatists will win
@@potatoheadpokemario1931 well duh, but 3 million clones and supporting crew can't fight a galactic war it's just not logistically possible
@@shamrockshnake1366 not all planets are important, simple as.
@@shamrockshnake1366 Planetary defense forces played a big role too
Honestly, the commando droids are so terrifying and badass. If the CIS had these guys as the standard infantry, the clones would be in trouble
Only downside being they're very expensive to make
@@chrislaurent1137 true. Though as we’ve seen throughout numerous battles, they’re very much worth the price.
No matter how good the droids are, they can't outmatched the clones in conventional combats, reducing the number of your soldiers to try to match the clones skills, ingenuity and independent acting ability would be a death sentence. As said in the video, you have to play to your army's strength, not to your enemy's
the real ultimate force would be the use of every race under the sun
droids as regs
clones as there controllers and commanders
jedi as shock troops
mandolorions as quick responce and so on and so forth
every race in the SW galaxy has some niech position in a military but no faction has ever exploited
@@neofulcrum5013 I'd definitely fear them and for good reasons.
Since the majority of the Separatist alliance joined the Rebels afterwards, I've always been surprised why didn't the Rebels use the Droid army.
Yeah, they could have used some Droids to supplement their vastly outnumbered organic forces.
It might be because of the separtists bad reputation which the republic turned empire saw as the bad guys
This was most likely due to negative stigma associated with battle droids during the Clone Wars.
I thought I was about to be one of first thousand to see this. But not this time. Oh well.
Two possibilities, they didn’t have the facilities to produced battle droids in large numbers. And there may not have been a great need for them as the Rebels were more starfighter oriented, and the majority of the Rebels greatest victories against the Empire were in space, not on a planet.
Some things to note about the B1, post-Naboo design:
- You very rarely needed to alter their designs for different environments. Because they had about the strength of your average human, combined with their relatively light-weight, you could deploy them in just about any most gravity wells.
- They could identify friend from foe. This may seem common sense but sometimes organics can mistakenly fire on friendlies due to confusion. And though it might be easy to confuse a B1 that is operating independently of a Droid Control Ship, said confusion seldom results in friendly fire.
- They can jog. Walking is controlled falling and jogging even more difficult, this means that on average, despite being cheap, their gyroscopic systems were pretty good (Clone Wars Series shenanigans aside.)
- Their design allowed them to operate in multiple roles. Having fingers means you can push buttons and operate controls. While the B1s do not posses the capabilities to operate more high speed craft, in the general performance as crew of let's say a capital starship, accidents are rare.
- Engineering: Here is an interesting one, this requires its own division. Engineers are problem-solvers and have to have a pretty good understanding of what they are working on. Take the case of the Malevolence and the repair of its hyperdrive. A hyperdrive is very complex and the fact that the B1s were able to successfully repair one, is not something to be ignored. true they were not too quick about it, but they still did it.
- Machine-learning: Much like our real world has programming languages such as C++ and Javascript, Star Wars Droids have their own as well. it is called bab-prime. The very nature of this code has self-optimization built right in, which means droids learn over time, eventually resulting in the Star Wars equivalent of sentience, called Meta-programming state in SW lore. Even the dumbest droid, given enough time without memory wipes will become sentient. In a meta-programming state, b1s will undoubtedly resolve the problems with both their software and the limits of their hardware.
Someone give this man an award for looking past the comedic clone wars shenanigans and actually being able to see the droids for what they are!
When you take the individual specialties into account, the B1 droids have the greatest amount of utility. The fact you can take advantage of the mass production of B1s and give them many different specialties like sniper, anti-armor, and even pilot and firefighter is pretty amazing in my eyes.
True, but having seen it in action, I'd hate to have B1s as firefighters. They might water the grass while your house burns.
True!
@@UnswimmingFishYT if the writers weren’t adamant on constantly using the b1’s as jokes, they’d have been much more effective. During the Prequel Movies (apart from the third) they were competent enough to do their jobs. As soon as the squeaky voice appeared they immediately became walking targets.
@@Taskmasterxyz This is true to an extent, but there are some cases in the clone wars where you still see the effectiveness of B1s when they swarm, like Di getting killed early in the show. I think they could have shown more of that, but being initially started as a kids' show, they probably wanted to keep more comical elements in.
@@UnswimmingFishYT True. I’d have loved if they were able to make the droids comedic, but not at the expense of their effectiveness. More scenes like that would have done the trick, but we often have the main three Jedi (Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Ahsoka) as the jedi around, and they could not die.
Fun Fact: Ossus, the largest habitable planet in Star Wars, is 29,000 km long, while coruscant is 12,240 km, being 502 km smaller than Earth. Mustafar is one of the smallest planets at 4,200 km.
You mean has the diameter of 29 000km. And how is Mustafar smaller than Mercury yet so active vulcanically with Earth-like gravity?
@@Mate397 the force
@@Mate397 I believe the gravity is slightly different than earth as most structures seen are stated to need gravity supports. However Anakin and Obiwan’s duel makes it tricky to say🤣
@@Mate397 Fuck it. Density?
@@Mate397 because the dark side of the force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural
That ‘Grievous crosses the Delaware’ painting is positively majestic!
I'm not gonna lie, I love the driodeka, easily the coolest droid concept in all of star wars!!!
My favorite Droid design is the vulture, but the droideka is really cool too, with the "Roll Out" feature
Agreed! I especially love the variants like the Colicoid Infiltrator and the Droideka Oppressor.
The Droideka would have been far more practical as a miniature tank-shaped robot with a rotating turret. This would enable it to attack while moving, with its shield up, on any terrain.
All of the colicoid droids are fucking sick looking, take the scorpinex annihilator, droidrka, tri droid, and protodeka
@@Nobody4786 theres also droideka mark 2 -4
I always loved Commando Droids. Imagine if the Empire used them! They would’ve been great as throw-away assassins, commandos, or infiltrators.
The ISB or Rebels could’ve used them too to infiltrate the Stormtrooper Corps too. Would’ve been interesting.
They did vader ceased quite a few and had a special squad composed of them
The MK1 Dark Trooper could fill a similiar role.
You know I thought the B1 was gonna be at the bottom but seeing them at the top kinda makes me happy. Especially since it works with the saying: " Cannot beat a classic."
I think the B2 was cost effective enough that the seps could have deployed them in overwhelming numbers if they had abandoned the B1 and not wasted money on some of the more experimental Droid models. That would have been a terrifying army.
You still have to charge them in mass quantities so you still wouldnt be able to field all those droids at once unless you wanted to go broke
@@james192599 true. It’s better to be cost effective.
B1’s made up the bulk of the Seppies maintenance crews, and engineers and pilots. B2’s don’t have that level of versatility due to their bulky design and the fact that some of them have a cannon arm.
@@Taskmasterxyz It always puzzled me why they didn't have hybrid crews to save on money, using B2's as the main fighting force whilst humans crew the ships and do all the labor. I know they don't have the same numbers as the republic but it's not asking much from a confederacy of multiple planets.
Commando droids were just insane. It takes a very skilled veteran clone to take these guys out in close quarters.
Also I think the B2 variants are just busted especially the Super rocket trooper an absolute menace in space and in the sky.
Idk why, but I just love how in the thumbnail the B1 and B2 are arm wrestling, while using a rolled up Droideka as a table and the BX is there as the ref.
damn, I didnt even look at that! such a cool picture 😄
Yeah and the famous George Washington picture replaced with the separatists lol.😂
Part of the reason why the commando druid wasn’t so effective in the show is because they weren’t used right about 80% of the time they were as standard infantry instead of the role that’s in their name, commandos. They demonstrated their effectiveness in the episode rookies by them easily taking the Rishi outpost but almost killing Rex and Cody at the same time. The only reason why they lost is because of plot armor allowing them not to notice several flaws in Rex’s plan to get inside.
The Destroyer Droid was really more mobile artillery than infantry. It was designed to quickly get somewhere and stay there, launching heavy fire and being a hard to destroy element.
Another thing that made B1s effective (and maybe B2s but I haven't seen art with it) were STAPs. Despite being lightly armored, that speed and extra firepower in almost any terrain, meant your flanks and rear were never really safe.
I always figured the CIS battle droids produced by the star forge could be the ultimate weapon that could conquer the galaxy. Imagine making various limitless droids specializing in the vast tactics of war and occupation.
Basically B1s were designed to grind down the enemies defenses while their more individually capable allies could finish of the weakend enemy.
Not really, they were there to do the job themselves. a 37% kill rate (against Clone troopers) considering they have inhibition restraints for legal purposes and the jedi blocking everything isn't a bad kill rate at all
@@tk-6967 well if other droids were involved I was just trying to justify the relevance of having the other droid. Your not wrong at all. Its like justifying an expense for logical reason lol. rather than just because you felt like it haha.
Each droid is unique, but I do love the design of the Commando Droids.
Also, I love how the droids in the thumbnail are using a Droidika as a table. 🤣
I like to take the route of the B2 Supers if only for the fact that Republic Commando displayed how deadly they could be and how well armored they were.
The performance of a B1 is perfectly on display late in the Clone Wars, when Windu and Kenobi together are completely overwhelmed going after Trench, and if not for Echo's hacking, there's a serious chance they could have killed Windu, possibly the best fighter the Republic had as a whole. It makes complete sense to claim the B1 is the best, because nobody can really fight 100 of them.
True.
Supers are still far more terrifying. Play Republic Commando and you see how scary they are without jedi around.
@@Kyle-gu3ge They're certainly more dangerous in terms of individual units, but B1s are at least three times cheaper to make, and three of them is a serious threat to most people. If we assume it's exactly triple cost, a B2 is better in small numbers, because one of those can outperform B1s enough to be worth it. However if we look at how many are used, a B1 appears to be closer to ten times cheaper, and while a B2 would be pretty challenging to deal with for an average soldier, 10 B1s is impossible for most individuals without having a massive tactical advantage over them, like a bomb or extremely well-set defensive position.
@@UnswimmingFishYT I wouldn't say average soldier when even commandos had trouble with b2s.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Clone commandos are a bit overrated. They had drastically better equipment, but weren't all that much better as fighters in most cases. There are several times regular clones take out B2s and it's a fair match, and we also have times when regular people beat clones, which must mean a standard clone trooper is a good example of average soldiers. Based on this, it's reasonable to expect a normal person could break a B2, as long as they're not just brute-forcing it. They're certainly advantaged over most, but it's similar to how sword duels have worked in reality. Well-trained knights used to be killed by average foot soldiers with inferior equipment sometimes. The biggest advantage in any large-scale fight tends to be either a very good position or a bigger army.
My pick will be the commando droids, so much so that it, alongside the BTL-B Y-Wing and Hyena bomber, the Wolfpack clones, the Resurgent-class battlecruiser, and lightsaber crystal bleeding, should have been part of the CWMMP and the rest of Legends first.
It’s a scam
B1 battle droids were the tits. Cheap, numerous in numbers, efficient, and of all the battle droids, were pretty fucking hilarious. Their loyalty was unmatched. I remember that time when they reprogrammed the B1's. R2's B1 squad was one of the most human I've seen in a robot
I actually agree with this assessment. One of the things that most people don't remember to take into account is that in practically all cases the Republic army was invading separatist controlled worlds. And this was not because the Republic was taking it to the separatists as often as it was that the separatists were claiming more planets faster than the Republic could keep up with. And fact of the matter is that most of the other models of droid used by the separatists army were not around until later in the conflict, or at least not in Mass, like the B1 battle droid was. As deeply put it it was a highly underrated Droid design.
That was supposed to say as Geetsly put it, but I was listening on the road at the time so I was using voice typing (also why separatists wasn't capitalized like Republic was).
My bet was with the B1 and didn't disappoint me, but now I have a question, how does the droid army works in battle? How is controlled? What is their main strategy and tactics during an aggressive or defensive battle?
Their main tactic is to attack in mass and overwhelm the enemy.
Aside from environmental factors, put your pricey units where they can shine, then yeet B1's at the enemy with B2's dotted about to spice it up for the Clones.
I mean there's also the fact the b1 can use tanks, fighters and man stations ment for humans
The humble B1 battle Droid is going to be always in our hearts ❤️😎
Roger roger
"I knew that Jedi have a built in kill limit...."
-Tactical Droid
If you played republic commando, those B2 droids are terrifying lol
The Magnaguards (not mentioned here, although they were in service from the First Battle of Geonosis) were even better in a one-to-one fight than the commando droids, but were even more expensive.
The CIS was the epitome of the philosophy of "We have reserves" and the B1 was the perfect unit for that philosophy.
Thanks to the Intergalactic Banking Clan's involvement, the CIS basically had infinite money to throw at their war effort!
Imperium of Man but without commissars
Love that painting "Grievous and His Droids Crossing the Delaware" at the beginning of the vid
Three things:
1.) If you're looking for better Droid models, how about Magna Guards, they could go toe to toe with Jedi and even win.
2.) Fan of the B2: What about the Battle of Danttoni in the 2003 Clone Wars micro series, the army of B2s there did decently well against the Clones. Two Clones had to team-up to take down just one B2, and even then, the B2 managed to take several of their shots before exploding and said explosion knocked the Clones back.
3.) Personally, I'd go with the Commandos over the B1s. They are pretty good, even when they lost fighting the Jedi and Cones at the Citadel in Season 3 of The Clone Wars, they put up a good fight, remember the one that headbutted Obi-Wan.
Sometimes, they fail, as the likes of fighting Shaak Ti have shown.
Dantooine, and yeah, blast explosive damage. Curse some video games for spoiling me for not having them.
If only they were a part of the Clone Wars Multimedia Project first though, alongside some other TCW 2008 material.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Fair point.
Yeah, I always loved being able to use the explosion damage to send enemies flying in the OG Battlefront games. I'd love to use that trick on Jedi and Sith in Cloud City in Battlefront 1 to kill them by blasting them off the edge.
I can agree with that.
How about the B2 Grapple varient.?
I think the B1 is the best. This is due to how good they are compared to how cheap they are to create. They are competent gunners and pilots as well. Although they are fairly unintelligent, they still know how to shoot a blaster in any direction. I rest my case.
My favourite droid is probably the b2 with the wrist rocket launcher, even if it isn't the best, I feel with the rocket launcher it makes it the best multi-purpose droid in the clone wars. The rocket gives it that extra bonus that caused the regular b2 droids to be just not quite good enough.
It's nice to see the b1s getting the respect they deserve. One on one not much of a threat but a legion of them a different matter.
For me the commando droid is my favorite able to operate effectively in small numbers and independently.
Use a large force of B1s and B2s as a unavoidable distraction then send in a commando squad to strike the enemy's logistics and sabotage strategic targets then as the enemy is without supply and attempting to repair the damage finish them off.
3:18 the funny thing is that it’s only within the last century at most that the saying “jack of all trades, master of none,,,,” not only had its second half almost forgotten about but began having the saying used in a negative manner. The full saying is “jack of all trades, master of none, is still better than a master of one.”
The good ol' strategy of sheer numbers. I guess the republic would end up on a stalemate at some point and be forced to make some concessions if the subplot to the war did not exist
Also, now I'm thinking of the starfighter droids and how would they rank. Or rather, comparing them to your standard Republic/Rebel/Empire starfighter pilot
The Rebels have the best overall pilots, but in terms of consistency with good pilots, it would be CIS-Empire-Rebels-Republic (not including Force peoples).
The B1 battle droids were literally the back bone to the Confederacy war efforts, and without them the CIS would have never be able to stand against the Galactic Republic’s population alone.
Geetsly's: The B1 Battle Droids are the best inventions of the Separatists Alliance!
Battle Droids: And this is why we are the true faces of the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Not General clanking Grievous!
I really feel like if Palpatine didn't rig the whole thing the Seperatists would've had a really good chance at winning the war
I feel like droidekas were misused by the CIS. They would have performed best as platoon machine gunners, taking up a static position, presumably one that provides cover in addition to the defense the shield grants, and laying down suppressive fire to pin clones in position while the B1’s and B2’s move up to take ground. They wouldn’t even need to produce them in particularly large numbers compared to the other droids, maybe 1 for every 100 B2’s and every 500 B1’s, if even. Droidekas could provide heavier suppression at a company level, while individual platoons and squads have B1’s with lighter MGs.
Member when Magnaguards were Commando Droids in Battlefront? Badass! Like T800s man!
While I myself view them differently, I cannot argue with your logic!
The Droideka, you're spot on.
The BX is the superior model by design and function.
The B2 is in my view alot better than you make it out to be, but it is all in all just a beefed up B1 that never got it's potential fully exploited.
The B1 deserves this spot, because if it didn't it would not have been the hallmark unit of the CIS, it's design was almost 20 years old by the time the Clone Wars broke out and it's use persisted far beyond that. It's weaknesses was also it's strenghts in many ways.
The B1 is in many ways a timeless droid unit, but so is the B2.
Personaly, I belive that the superior Battle droid would have been a B2 with the droid brain of a BX, thus allowing them to work alot better to their strenghts.
Even better if they had used a down-sized form of the B3 Ultra battle droid.
But hey, that's just me!
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In related, in the Skywalker saga Lego game, when playing the Droidika
If you do some combination of air attacks and move right after
You can actually dash while having the shield up
I haven't found a way to repeat it consistently
But I have done it multiple times
Simply jump and attack and start moving
If done right, the shield should deploy while moving
It's not that practical but is nice to use when you want to travel the super speed it's known for and just zoom past enemies
Depends, are we talking about regular SBDs or Republic Commando SBDs? Either way, B1s are the best because they're a walking comedy show.
Loved the B1 swarm tactics
Geetsly's: 'B1s are individually useless and can't do anything on their own'
Meanwhile B1s having a 37% kill rate against the *much* more expensive clone troopers.
37% is still bad. I'd rather take supers.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Comes at the cost of being much more expensive. How are they gonna replenish ammo as well? B1s can do pretty much anything at the cost of them being more talkative. They can go from being programmed to just figure out how to pilot any small vehicle to being a pro sniper to controlling capital ships to being a frontline doofus, all for a relatively cheap cost and easy storage.
@@tk-6967 b2s aren't extremely expensive, a lot more dangerous, and can have a variety of modifications from blasters to rockets to jet packs.
@@Kyle-gu3ge Those aren't modifications, those are separate models. And the price point is significant enough. They are fine as sergeants or squad leaders with some firepower, but B2s without B1 support is ridiculous. Honestly you may as well get droidekas if you wanted to cash out that much, especially given that they were still being used and manufactured illegally.
The moment I see the robots do backflips and whipping out short swords, I think I'm done fighting
Where are those DROIDEKAS
Just imagine a bx commando droid model made of cortosis, it would have been absurdly op
The Grand Plan was the Senate’s best invention.
for me, is the droidica... those things have a great rate of fire and a shield generator... not to mention that when they are in the ball form they are pretty fast... they are army breakers.
Always liked the B1 battle droid
Great video! But my list is-
1. Commandos
2. B1 Battle Droids
3. Rollers
4. B2 Battle Droids
We now have Jedi: Survivor with all 4, and individually, the commando droids were the hardest to deal with. But when I did the force tear challenge that essentially just sent swarms of B1s at me, I had trouble, but the commando droids were still more scary to me. So either there weren't enough B1s in that challenge, or the BX commando was just overwhelmingly skilled.
what i like about the B1 is that when they are destroyed they can be easily rebuilt
Seeing the Droideka rolled up into a ball makes me super nostalgic for Neo Shifters.
my favorite droid is B1
they are the best
3:15 "a Jack of all traits is a master of non, but often times beter than a master of one"
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The droidikas having 3 legs would have just as much stability than 4, if not more. Ever have a wobbly chair where one leg is a bit off? The most stable stools have 3 legs - three points of contact is also general rule when mountain climbing.
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I really enjoy your videos before going to bed
I believe the best droid in the C.I.S. Would be the B1-A Series Air Battle Droid. It’s cheap at only 2,100 credits, it’s weapons were built in, their flight abilities allowed them to be deployed in the air without the need to use easy to hit transports, and swarm tactics would work to this droids favor as hitting a legion coming at you from above would be hardest to hit than columns of droids marching at you on foot.
I feel like the "ultimate" battle droid would be something like a B1.5. Put the motors and coordination software from something like a Commando in the body of a B1, and keep everything else. You suddenly have a vast army of droid marines that can take and hold ground by closing distance, boxing in the enemy and giving them no chance to take a breath without inhaling several blaster bolts owing to having absurd agility when compared to an organic soldier, and even by just applying basic tactics they'd be able to get in and out of good firing positions and push an offense. Assault droids.
I think the B2. Was a realy big struggle for the clones and still cheap and mass deployable
"A young soldier is grateful for the quality of his gun, an old soldier is grateful for the quality of the logistic".
As you said, if it wasn't for Sidious, the Republic would have been absolutely crushed in less than 2 weeks into the Clone War.
I mean yes and no. The main problem was the CIS were more prepared for war than the Republic was but later on the tide did shift and Sidious did hinder both sides
@@kingorange7739 I don't really agree here, from my perspective, Sidious made sure that the Republic win the war, even though it was significantly weaker than the CIS.
For example, take the first battle of Geonosis : at that point, the jedis were (almost) the only armed forces of the Republic, and they were absolutely mauled by the droid army in the arena. The very best warriors of the galaxy were crushed thousands of droids.
Even if your soldiers are well trained and efficient, you cannot fight an enemy who outnumber you a thousand times.
@@Confused_surprise which for the early war point I would agree. However as time went on the tide of the war was turning to the Republic’s favor. And don’t forget Sidious provided much intel to the CIS that they otherwise wouldn’t of had if he wasn’t in the picture. I agree the CIS in the early to mid war period would had likely won, but I don’t agree with the idea that the Republic would had been crushed in a matter of weeks
Just started watching your videos, they are great! Easily explained and good content!
The vultur droid were also one of the best droid in the CIS alongside the B1
While on a ground a single battledroid of any model couldnt Hope to match an organic soldier, a vultur droid would be more than a match against non jedi pilot on top of being able to be mass produced and Can also be used on the ground effectively
B2 Battle Droids still see use by the Neimodians over half a century after the clone wars.
Droidekas, when they were allowed to use their Shield Generators. 🛡
Some reason that was not always.
Obviously R3-S6. Perfect infiltration unit
If it weren't for Ahsoka's naive insistance on accepting that very *sus* droid, Anakin would've rejected R3-S6 and gone to find R2-D2 right away.
What about those transforming Demolition Droids?
On paper, I'd say the commandos just for sheer versatility and effectiveness. The droideka may be the better infantry mulcher and guard unit, but nothing can match the BX commandos' combination of intelligence, agility, toughness and adaptability.
Yeah but they're not as effective as some of the assassin droids and clone commando is always going to be better than a droid commando. They lack the human part needed to be an effective commando
Here's my take: I think the BX is the more effective droid. In its limited production, while it was outmatched by Jedis and Clones, it most often won against non-commando units in its designated field - sabotage and infiltration. It was made to complement the main line of B1 and B2 pushes as flankers and saboteurs lay the groundwork for the main push. We have to keep in mind that because of the scale of the clone wars, how often would they encounter commandos or Jedi? Because of the point-of-view we're given throughout the show, we only see the times they've lost. These BX commandos regularly destroy clones and push commando units to their limits. They had an incredible K/D ratio that made them effective and they could still be produced in a number that the clones could not hope to match for special-forces training. To get a comparable soldier, years of training would have to be undertaken, several battles worth of experience has to be accrued, and a degree of luck in terms of personality to stay consistent and resistant to morale shocks has to be met - this is simply not enough to compete to a completely replaceable squad of BX commandos which deploy more units than their clone counterparts anyway. Moreover, their strengths and weaknesses are not variable, unlike organics. You know their strengths and weaknesses as they were produced. The same could not be said of two individual clones - the same physique but not the same skills and specialization or even experience. They were terrifying to face on the battlefield when employed correctly by their commanders and when supported by their counterparts.
TL, DR
BX units were just operationally more effective when compared to their B1 counterparts. They got more kills per individual unit and they didn't always encounter Jedi or comparable Elite forces on the battlefield - in fact, Jedi would've been a rarity considering how large the theatre of war really was. They usually deployed around 6-10 units per squad which work together to destroy standard clones and push their elite clone counterparts. Though expensive, they were cost-effective. Often accomplishing their mission or doing enough damage to weaken their objective so that a follow-up operation could be launched. Their use was different from both the B1 and B2 (the same could be said for the Droideka, it was used to protect against ship-to-ship boarding and locking down urban areas), the use of the BX was to flank, outmaneuver, distract, weaken, and possibly eliminate enemy forces so that their B1 and B2 brothers could punch through enemy lines - at this, they were very effective.
“The B2 was considered to be the direct successor to the B1. The B1 was cheap but was mostly a gentle administrator and confused security guard. The later in the war, the more often B2s were fielded across the galaxy, all of the B1s remained in light infantry divisions and usually appeared combined arms efforts. The dreaded cool simple fast and deadly, yet it could be vulnerable a couple times. It is often a Deathwish if you encounter a controlled area, and the price tag is not expected. Variations of it for us so annoying test to deal with on the large battlefields, especially when they are taking a long range pot shots at your armored vehicles. However, they usually don’t stand long against said armored vehicles without running or breaking. And I will say, I don’t even fully understand how they adapted the BX from the B1, but they were highly successful at making a mass-produced killer.” -CS/CT-8711-12 “Cheng”, former Captain and Scout of the 442nd Siege Battalion
It's like deciding whether you want to pit druids greatest strength against humanity's greatest weakness or vice versa
Huge fan of your videos Geetsly! Its rare that I disagree with you, but just like the Templin Institutes dismissal of the clone army, I have to say that, in my opinion, this is a mistaken assessment. B1's maybe cheap to the point of always outnumbering the enemy by massive margins, but that only shows you how little the CIS is getting for its expenditure. B1's are easily tricked, easily intimidated, easily dodged, broken, and defeated. They are, I'm sad to say, waaaaay too overbalanced in favor of cost effectiveness. Don't get me wrong, if every B1 could be a quarter of the monster that Mr. Bones was, then they would pay for themselves in a heartbeat.
But as they stand, literal street urchins with rocks and stick could run circles around an occupying force of B1's, to the point that even their more primitive, networked security models used in the battle of Naboo are hand and fist more effective than the "more advanced" independently "intelligent" B1 battle droids that followed. Sure, they have a huge, glaring weakness with the control ships, but at least those things could hit targets, patrol streets competently, and win battles. The B1's rarely do anything marginally competent om screen, while their precursors took over a planetary capital and defeated the Gungan army.
Let me put it this way, if I had a certain amount of credits to purchase droids with, and I had to choose a single type of droid to use all the credits on, and then accomplish a random military objective, I would be more likely to lose at any given thing using a mess of B1's vs an equivalent value of any of the others. They really are more worthless than valuable if you take them by their observed feats, and obvious, constantly flaunted weaknesses. I would even take an equal value of their earlier, networked models, I don't mind them being less intelligence, I don't need the kind of "intelligence" that makes my droid soldier pause to ask another droid soldier if they do or do not take prisoners, or question my orders, consider or discuss surrender, or make jokes on a regular basis.
The B1's aint it. (In my opinion)
I know the clone wars was made for kid's mostly but I do like the B1 battle droids humor they're dumb but funny personally. Also maybe Droidkas could be more effective to have walker legs intead? What about assassin droids? They're effective too and don't look too expensive to make I think?
I don't know how others feel, but I got PTSD from Republic Commandos looking at B2s.
Republic Commandos made Droidekas feel like a pest/nuisance that only cost you a few rounds of ammo.
But the B2s were like walking tanks that would soak up grenades and half your ammo supply.
I still have nightmares of the Geonosis Droid factory when the team splits up and I'm alone with rows of B2s, not sure which ones will activate, and if I use a grenade, I risk waking up all of them.
People usually overestimate the effectiveness of horde armies. Keep in mind every soldier needs food, shelter, and transportation. So as a army increases in size, it becomes exponentially expensive to utilize it. Even b1s need battery refuels, and the greatest warriors can sometimes just die to environmental hazards before the battle has even started.
The first sentence in Geetsly's constitution: "Not all droids were created equal."
all the droid models together now that’s a stacked house
Actually, both the B1 Variants, and the other B-series models and others were specialized for their own mission profiles. What I mean is that the B1 was meant for simply overwhelming enemy positions or defending an extremely large area, and the B2 was meant for heavy battle on dangerous battlefields, and the BX was meant for infiltration, espionage, assassination, and bodyguard tasks, as well as missions that B1's and/or B2's cannot perform. The Destroyer Droid was meant for flushing out enemies outside the battlefield and stopping them from achieving whatever they would accomplish. Jedi didn't just fear them because of their capabilities, they also feared them because they could actually be anywhere. They could hide anywhere with their tremendous speed, and as seen with the Sharpshooter variant of the Destroyer Droid, they could pick off their targets from a distance. Ultimately, all of the droid units, overall, work hand-in-hand.
This same debate and result is applicable to the CIS fleet with the Munificent Star Frigate as the "B1" of the fleet. It's far from the strongest but is still quite capable even individually but on masse it's a terrifying thing to combat.
plot twist the video is only 120 seconds long and just ends
I think B2 could have been templated to specific roles, like base defense, mountaineers, drop bots or shock troopers. Basically anywhere you might need a more armored tactical specialist where sheer numbers don't matter. Built for the situation at hand.
OOM-9 and the droid that snipped that gunner in the battle of onderon
What about the Buff Battle Droids? :P
My order best to worse would be B1 B2 Commando and rolly polly.
The BX series Commando Droids are 100% the most badass of the bunch, they kind of remind me of a watered down version of John Rambo, if anyone has seen the Rambo movies
And now you have to do a comparison video on clone commando vs commando droid!?!?
This isn't directly the topic of this video but, I need to know who was head of security while the Separatist Leaders were on mustafar? Who gives the most important people in the whole Separatist Alliance like 5 or was it 4 B1 battle droids? they couldn't even spare at least a few Magna guards for them or Commando Droids not even B2's? The place didn't even have any on-site droid security? unless the 4 droids protecting them was the on-site security and they brang no droids on their ship or brang any escorts in-case they were boarded or shot at on their way to the planet? Truly even the worst Separatist Officers had Commando droids guarding them. This problem in the Revenge of the Sith movie annoyed me the most, admit it they messed up. Don't tell me no one else ever looked at their security and felt they must really not know how many people want them dead. This is something that needs its own video, who agrees?
Kinda shocked that the B2 isn’t at the top but that’s just me be biased because I recently played republic commando and have a newfound respect for how god damn tanky those bastards are
Yea games are the best measure of film accuracy...
Try the Grapple varient
In all fairness the B2's in Republic Commando are greatly OP. They are impressive though way tougher than they really should be. R2D2 wouldn't be doing what he did in Episode III, to the B2's, let's just put it that way. Republic Commando's B2's are the toughest they've ever been in any media.
The flaw with the B1 is the central computer. The B2 and BZ can operate independently if the central computer is taken out. The B1 couldn't until very late in the war and even then not well.
Sci Fi 101: Never have a mass "off" button for your army.
The droidekas are the deadliest droids due to their shield. But they're all deadly in their ow right.
I still dread the B2 since I played Republic Commando. They were so tough to deal with.
Not to mention that the CIS army was designed to take out jedis, which is why the B1 is the best design;
Overwhelming numbers is the weakness of the Jedis, if you surround them and shoot from all sides, the jedi can't block all shots, even if it depends on the level of the jedi, he will take down a few droids that will be replaced by a dozen more
Those commando droids were ridiculously OP. B2s as heavy infantry support and the clones wouldn’t of stood a chance.
Geetslys: No droid could hope to beat organic soldiers, much less force sensitivies
HK-47: Annoyed statement - We'll see about that, meatbags