I don't think you understand my tried and true strategy, Josh. I don't do any practicing but I watch all of these to learn how to play better when I hit the course.
It needs to be said... I love that you're slimming down and looking so good, Josh!! Your OT shirts are getting baggier every video! Thanks for the great tips ❤
I have been playing casually for about 2.5 years and always struggled with BH. I would only FH because BH always felt unnatural and yeilded horrible results. I told myself no more putting it off and really started to work on it after watching your last video about grip. after just doing some fieldwork in my yard for an hour or so, i have to say these videos have helped me so much. breaking it down in simple steps is making a huge difference. after an hour im already getting pretty clean releases and consistantly getting over 200ft with my putters, which was unheard of before. Thank you!!
As i'm a guy who is trying to slim down and havents wathed your clips for long time (busy) - whoowww.. you slimming down man.. good for you. plus i think the robotic way is probably 90% of new players.. really well said and explained.. love it.
This is going to sound silly, but that waboom! sound que is what allowed me to feel the weight transfer of the disc for the first time. Thank you josh!
I am so glad I found this channel. I have watched a lot of tutorials and tips on RUclips, but you really stand out. You explain it superbly, give examples for great drills, break things down so even someone like me (45y old, not very athletic) can understand. On top of that you are funny and likeable. Now I have several moments that I can practice (right now the windthingy with the bottle, and learning the right release point). And everything is still shit and I only through 160 feet, BUT, I do feel a difference, now that I have actual moves I can work on. Husband and I are great fans and we are definitely looking into the patreon options 💖.
I've watched most of your videos over the years and I have to say these last few have been some of the best videos to learn from since the Beto drill. I felt a lot of your early stuff focused on how to throw like a professional and something Stokely teaches is that we're all built different so trying to emulate the pros to learn is unrealistic. You've done an amazing job breaking down "the right stuff" into basic mechanics particularly in this and the backhand timing videos. Also you're looking great Josh keep up the hard work.
The quality of your videos are getting better and better. Someone at O.T is getting pretty good with the special effects. As always great information and instruction.
At the risk of sounding too much like Dave Dunipace, I would also say that reaching back with a bent elbow helps as well. If you look at Calvin, Seppo Paju, Ricky, and even Simon, they don't reach back with a locked-out elbow. It doesn't affect distance since, as pointed out the video, the throw is primarily from the swinging out of the forearm from the power pocket. Having the elbow bent in the reach back helps the elbow "float" into the power pocket more easily before exploding out with the forearm since you're not having to extend the arm out then bending the elbow again (IMO, of course). For an "extreme" example of this, check out Emerson Keith: ruclips.net/video/25m7kKa0fBE/видео.html
It never left this has always been the correct form, but I agree this does slightly insinuate muscling is the right play where I think the goal of this video is for beginners to feel the way the disc comes through and out instead of around the body. I'm sure the next video will be about how to start this motion with the hips
I know this is a non-serious comment, but it's a great observation. I don't think it necessarily deviates from some of the more recent form paradigms, like the "out-in-out" motion of the forearm that folks like Ezra espouse or even OT's box drill. What pushing the elbow forwards does is allow for more distance for the forearm to swing out allowing throwers more time to accelerate and build speed through the whip. If you have the athleticism of Ezra or Drew, you may not need the extra 2-3" of forearm whip because the leg/core strength and explosiveness (more than) make up for it. What do think is "obsolete" is the "starting the lawn mower" paradigm which ignores the most important part of the throw, the forearm swing
Okay looking at Simon when he comes through the power pocket his upper arm is staying anchored to his shoulder so that it maintains a 90 degree bend. I think Ezra (Mr. Hit Box) does the same thing, that angle stays 90 degrees until after he releases the disc. If you are elbowing down a door and pulling your elbow well past your body frame like you're showing here, you've now opened up this angle quite a bit.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I've watched that video several times ... when the disc is released, his upper arm and his shoulder are 90-degrees. Actually, his entire arm and his shoulders are making a 90 degree angle when the disc is leaving his hand. It's not unti after the disc is gone that that angle becomes greater than 90 degrees. I'm not saying his elbow doesn't pass his body frame before release, but he clearly is rotating his shoulder and not just keeping it perpindicular to the the target line like the demonstration here. You can see it in the face-on video, the same thing you can see in the Ezra power pocket video where Ezra draws the angles on the screen. Ezra even says pulling with the arm is a weak move. I went to a clinic given by Thomas Gilbert and asked him about pulling the arm and he said he wants to drive the elbow toward the target for as long as he can but he's using his entire body to do it, not just pulling with his arm across his chest. ruclips.net/video/uQIzQcY05nE/видео.html
@@dlewisfl Simon’s chest to upper arm angle is roughly 135 degrees at release. As is Drew’s. I have it still framed from above with angles measured in OnForm right now. It is not 90. Not even close. Garrett Gurthie is at 160 degrees at release. If you drive the elbow you open up the chest angle.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Look at the thumbnail man. Look at Simon's and Gibson's upper arm vs. shoulders then look at yours, angles not even close and the disc position is pretty close to the same spot. Their chest is facing the disc as they rotate, yours is looking straight at the camera as the disc passes by. Krisitin Kuoksa has instructional series and he points out how the chest should face the disc as the body rotates through the pocket. Here's another 90% angle tutorial from someone other than Ezra .. this guy can throw 600 and he talks about the inconsistency of pulling with the arm and how it throws the timing off. ruclips.net/video/SQ2CuQCSjsA/видео.html
The say "form is for the field." But let me tell you... I watch these and try them for the first time on the teepad of #1 at the local B-tier. Up, up, down, up seemed to work that way lol
Maybe its me or how I interpreted the content, but I ended up throwing with my arm more after this video. I think what did it was the focus on moving my elbow with my arm instead of my elbow moving on its own using the hips/shoulders. My radar went from 45 mph on a full run up to basically starting in the pocket, rotating my hips first shoulder following and releasing hitting the same speed with less effort.
For the wrist part, are you teaching to keep it curled in until the hit (because then it will unfurl / "tip of the whip" explode open), or are you saying it should stay locked at the hit, and essentially the back of the hand will be facing the target at moment of release?
Stupid Question after half the Video....would the Drill not end up with "pullig" the Arm intead of using the hips and the core? Is this not training another "bad habbit"?
I hope your elbow feels better by now. I have the same issue. I find that keeping the wrist curled in helps. Most of the damage to my elbow happened when I used to open up the wrist (before watching video 1), it passed the momentum onto the elbow.
@@Theorose80 thanks! Two things have helped me: 1. Focusing on not pulling the disc to power pocket using my biceb even just a little. But keeping my arm loose and the power pocket happens naturally. 2. Really focusing on weight shift as the power generator for my drives and never ripping with my arm with over 90% force. Unfortunately no distance gained but none lost either.
when i get that deep into the pocket i end up grip locking to the right. i tend to get to my left peck before shoulders come through and i can get the disc to leave on time and accurate. every time i try to get my disc deep into the hit it goes right fast. how i can i stop this.
You are killing me with the lack of shoulder rotation going into the hit. 😵As you demonstrate in slow motion, you always stop your shoulders in line with the direction of the throw, demonstrating "arming" the disc through the hit. If you look at Simon's shoulders at 3:34, they are open at least 30 degrees (just like his hips) at the point of release. As someone who "armed" his discs for too many years and have worked hard to re-learn, throwing easy is so much about shoulder rotation.
The feel you're looking for is the directed momentum drive towards the target. That drive will trigger the forearm whip when you're roughly lined up to the target; however your body does not move in a straight line, so your shoulders will continue to rotate (see the over-rotation comment thread above this one). Also, keep in mind, pros, especially Simon, are usually far more athletic (and in my case younger) than we are and can afford some amount of inefficiency we typically can't. If you watch footage of pros head-on off the tee, you'll see that their shoulders are pretty neutral to their line at the hit and quickly open from there
One other thing to note: pros, esp. Simon, are stepping "into" the shot. Therefore, their front foot is to the left of the target (RHBH), so when the shoulders are lined up to the target at the hit, it appears that their shoulders are more open than they are
I have to chime in and agree with Mike here. I was playing a par 2 round of disc golf a few months ago, and was having the worst performance in years. I was horrified and had no idea why all my releases were terribly off. Either really early, or late, or often fluffy (disc coming out prematurely, with no snap). The next day I filmed myself throwing and I realized my arm was basically doing all the work. The shoulders just weren't rotating forward, and the arm was basically doing 100% of the throwing past a certain point. It's one thing for the arm to move ahead of the shoulders during the throw. It's another thing for the shoulders to basically stop rotating and the arm doing the rest of the work. Nearly all of the pros really only extend the arm past the shoulders AFTER the disc releases from the hand. That's a part of the follow through. But it can't happen before release.
@@NickCarroll Right, your shoulder rotation should be "trebucheting" your lower arm out; there shouldn't be a strong-arming from the power pocket position. The point at which that happens is when your shoulders are roughly pointed toward the target. Your upper body should never actually stop rotating, but the position Josh shows is where the kinetic chain activates. Danny does a great job of explaining it: ruclips.net/video/9lg9JzxagDk/видео.html
Snap doesn't occur from any stopping motion. It will occur at the natural release point of the disc. The follow through is extremely important. Just like throwing a ball in any other sport.
My elbow continues to drop and my forearm gets slightly above the elbow causing problems. What are some reasons this could be happening? Im not finding it yet in my slo mo’s.
Is it possible this happens naturally for some people? I usually keep my arm 100 percent relaxed and it looks like in the slow motion my completely relaxed arm naturally goes elbow first. Just asking so I know if I need to work on adding some muscle to get the most out of the levers
Quick question: do you think the part of the throw where the arm goes through the hit should be actively pushed by the arm muscles? I see conflicting advice on this from various sources. Some say the arm muscles should be completely unused in the throw but I feel like when I actively push my arm through the hit I get noticeably more speed and power on it.
Shoulder direction should be on-target at the release correct? I think my main issue is rushing through this too quickly and over-rotating at times which leads to more of a pull than a straight shot. Maybe some clarity on that would be great.
Your leading shoulder should be basically pointed at your target. You can use the (perceived) stopping of the shoulders to trigger the forearm whip and keep everything in line. (In reality, you'll be a little right of your target, but it should feel directed towards it)
Check out this loop ghost video: ruclips.net/video/eULzMfHKyvA/видео.html. It's about weight shift and uses a "battering ram" analogy. The feeling you're looking for is directing the "battering ram" at the target which will, essentially, line up your front shoulder to the target (or just slightly right). As you accelerate through the hit, your arm/followthrough and continued momentum will pull you through the rest of the movement, facing you up to the target after the disc leaves. This "battering ram" motion will help keep you from over-rotating since it focuses on a (somewhat) linear direction of force toward the target vs. simply spinning your hips and shoulders
Saw an old mention of this as: do regular throws but put 110% focus into throwing with ONLY your brace leg on the ground. Over exaggerate and lift the back leg way high. This will help you get used to not having the support and balance of the toe drag. Good luck!
Question - do people really get to the right pec? Seems like in most slow motions they "throw-out" starts from center chest at most. Maybe double-G gets it a bit deeper. Or is this just different for everyone depending on mobility etc?
It's worth noting that not everyone's forearm is the same length in relation to their shoulders. I think that the angles are more important than the absolute positions, and the same angles will produce different positions if one person has wide shoulders and a short forearm but the next person has narrow shoulders and a long forearm
Wow, this is fantastic. I've been avoiding my drives and focusing on approach shots (I generally play a short course), but soon I will switch to working on drives. I did get a net, used your affiliate link, and hope you got the payout. I was an affiliate once, but I complained because some of my sales weren't generating revenue... so they permanently banned me. All of that to say, my unsolicited advice is to never ever complain or even mention anything to Amazon about anything affiliate related. This video is great, I'm super excited to get to beating up my net. Smash.
Question...your left arm seems to go down behind your hip... I tell my guys to make sure the left arm(RHBH) is slightly in front of left hip...ive always thought behind the hip its more of a brake...im i wrong?😅🙈
that went quick! That's awesome man. I lost over 100lbs at one point (150 to be exact) and ended up gaining 40 back when we had a kid. And it's those 40 you just went through, the real pain in the ass ones...I got stuck on this wall so many times, I'm sure you feel awesome!
I love your content bro, but your latest videos are very confusing. First, if this is so important, why weren't you teaching this earlier. Do coaches GATEKEEP? I don't understand this grip, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO KEEP WRIST CURLED ON A FULL SPEED THROW WITH FOLLOW THRU. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS BETTER AS IT.SEEMS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU.
I won’t speak for all coaches, but I don’t gatekeep. As I learn and teach, what is important changes or is emphasized more or less. Do not actively unfurl the wrist is what I’m saying. The wrist might straighten out a bit but it isn’t active
Hey could you try to make your videos shorter? I think almost all of them could be half as long. Too much self-promotion and other unnecessary things. I want to watch your videos to learn but I'm dreading the length and unnecessary fluff.
I don't think you understand my tried and true strategy, Josh. I don't do any practicing but I watch all of these to learn how to play better when I hit the course.
It needs to be said... I love that you're slimming down and looking so good, Josh!! Your OT shirts are getting baggier every video! Thanks for the great tips ❤
Honestly I need to be doing what ever he is doing. All of it
I have been playing casually for about 2.5 years and always struggled with BH. I would only FH because BH always felt unnatural and yeilded horrible results. I told myself no more putting it off and really started to work on it after watching your last video about grip. after just doing some fieldwork in my yard for an hour or so, i have to say these videos have helped me so much. breaking it down in simple steps is making a huge difference. after an hour im already getting pretty clean releases and consistantly getting over 200ft with my putters, which was unheard of before. Thank you!!
Thanks for the warning about hyper-extending the elbow. I was working on the grip drill and for sure was going too far.
same bro
As i'm a guy who is trying to slim down and havents wathed your clips for long time (busy) - whoowww.. you slimming down man.. good for you. plus i think the robotic way is probably 90% of new players.. really well said and explained.. love it.
This is going to sound silly, but that waboom! sound que is what allowed me to feel the weight transfer of the disc for the first time. Thank you josh!
The last few minutes of this were absolute gold for me!! I had a major 'aha' moment. Thanks homie!!!!!!!
I am so glad I found this channel. I have watched a lot of tutorials and tips on RUclips, but you really stand out. You explain it superbly, give examples for great drills, break things down so even someone like me (45y old, not very athletic) can understand. On top of that you are funny and likeable. Now I have several moments that I can practice (right now the windthingy with the bottle, and learning the right release point). And everything is still shit and I only through 160 feet, BUT, I do feel a difference, now that I have actual moves I can work on. Husband and I are great fans and we are definitely looking into the patreon options 💖.
I've watched most of your videos over the years and I have to say these last few have been some of the best videos to learn from since the Beto drill. I felt a lot of your early stuff focused on how to throw like a professional and something Stokely teaches is that we're all built different so trying to emulate the pros to learn is unrealistic. You've done an amazing job breaking down "the right stuff" into basic mechanics particularly in this and the backhand timing videos. Also you're looking great Josh keep up the hard work.
Thanks on all fronts
Such great quality production. I appreciate you guys.
The quality of your videos are getting better and better. Someone at O.T is getting pretty good with the special effects. As always great information and instruction.
That’d be Mikey. I no do edit
It’s unbelievable y’all are putting this on the internet for free
I tried this the other day as was getting about 30-50ft more distance. Thanks!
At the risk of sounding too much like Dave Dunipace, I would also say that reaching back with a bent elbow helps as well. If you look at Calvin, Seppo Paju, Ricky, and even Simon, they don't reach back with a locked-out elbow. It doesn't affect distance since, as pointed out the video, the throw is primarily from the swinging out of the forearm from the power pocket. Having the elbow bent in the reach back helps the elbow "float" into the power pocket more easily before exploding out with the forearm since you're not having to extend the arm out then bending the elbow again (IMO, of course). For an "extreme" example of this, check out Emerson Keith: ruclips.net/video/25m7kKa0fBE/видео.html
If Emerson Kieth posted to a form review group, they'd blast him for "massive rounding" and swear he was lying about his distance
Great videos, thanks for making these!
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So disc golf form has gone full circle and we are back to elbowing down the door? Dang lol.
It never left this has always been the correct form, but I agree this does slightly insinuate muscling is the right play where I think the goal of this video is for beginners to feel the way the disc comes through and out instead of around the body. I'm sure the next video will be about how to start this motion with the hips
I thought we had moved away from this as well. It really doesn't look like it happens in any slow mo videos, even the one of Simon he provides.
Can you elaborate on the "say good bye to your disc golf career" part?
Are you suggesting biceps injury?
Tendon damage in the elbow.
I know this is a non-serious comment, but it's a great observation. I don't think it necessarily deviates from some of the more recent form paradigms, like the "out-in-out" motion of the forearm that folks like Ezra espouse or even OT's box drill. What pushing the elbow forwards does is allow for more distance for the forearm to swing out allowing throwers more time to accelerate and build speed through the whip. If you have the athleticism of Ezra or Drew, you may not need the extra 2-3" of forearm whip because the leg/core strength and explosiveness (more than) make up for it. What do think is "obsolete" is the "starting the lawn mower" paradigm which ignores the most important part of the throw, the forearm swing
Okay looking at Simon when he comes through the power pocket his upper arm is staying anchored to his shoulder so that it maintains a 90 degree bend. I think Ezra (Mr. Hit Box) does the same thing, that angle stays 90 degrees until after he releases the disc. If you are elbowing down a door and pulling your elbow well past your body frame like you're showing here, you've now opened up this angle quite a bit.
Watch Simon footage from the above view then get back to me.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf I've watched that video several times ... when the disc is released, his upper arm and his shoulder are 90-degrees. Actually, his entire arm and his shoulders are making a 90 degree angle when the disc is leaving his hand. It's not unti after the disc is gone that that angle becomes greater than 90 degrees. I'm not saying his elbow doesn't pass his body frame before release, but he clearly is rotating his shoulder and not just keeping it perpindicular to the the target line like the demonstration here. You can see it in the face-on video, the same thing you can see in the Ezra power pocket video where Ezra draws the angles on the screen. Ezra even says pulling with the arm is a weak move. I went to a clinic given by Thomas Gilbert and asked him about pulling the arm and he said he wants to drive the elbow toward the target for as long as he can but he's using his entire body to do it, not just pulling with his arm across his chest.
ruclips.net/video/uQIzQcY05nE/видео.html
@@dlewisfl Simon’s chest to upper arm angle is roughly 135 degrees at release. As is Drew’s. I have it still framed from above with angles measured in OnForm right now. It is not 90. Not even close.
Garrett Gurthie is at 160 degrees at release.
If you drive the elbow you open up the chest angle.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Look at the thumbnail man. Look at Simon's and Gibson's upper arm vs. shoulders then look at yours, angles not even close and the disc position is pretty close to the same spot. Their chest is facing the disc as they rotate, yours is looking straight at the camera as the disc passes by. Krisitin Kuoksa has instructional series and he points out how the chest should face the disc as the body rotates through the pocket. Here's another 90% angle tutorial from someone other than Ezra .. this guy can throw 600 and he talks about the inconsistency of pulling with the arm and how it throws the timing off.
ruclips.net/video/SQ2CuQCSjsA/видео.html
@@dlewisfl where would you like me to post a photo so you can see it from a proper angle?
amazing job on the weight loss brother!
Perfect practice makes permanent a perfect product.
That DiscGolfy, GoGoGadget commercial you guys made was 10/10 haha
Man, you took your graphics to a whole...novuh...level..
The say "form is for the field." But let me tell you... I watch these and try them for the first time on the teepad of #1 at the local B-tier. Up, up, down, up seemed to work that way lol
Maybe its me or how I interpreted the content, but I ended up throwing with my arm more after this video. I think what did it was the focus on moving my elbow with my arm instead of my elbow moving on its own using the hips/shoulders. My radar went from 45 mph on a full run up to basically starting in the pocket, rotating my hips first shoulder following and releasing hitting the same speed with less effort.
How can I tell when I should move on to next lesson? I want to get this right! Thanks.
The audio cue thing could be very helpful for trial consistency. Thanks.
For the wrist part, are you teaching to keep it curled in until the hit (because then it will unfurl / "tip of the whip" explode open), or are you saying it should stay locked at the hit, and essentially the back of the hand will be facing the target at moment of release?
The second one
Stupid Question after half the Video....would the Drill not end up with "pullig" the Arm intead of using the hips and the core? Is this not training another "bad habbit"?
It will. The rest of the body almost follows the hand forward. Watch our recent video on backhand versus forehand power
You're welcome! 7:31
How do I not lock out my elbow? Seems very hard to decelerate my hand and avoid full elbow extension. P.s. Yes I have elbow pain now.
I hope your elbow feels better by now. I have the same issue. I find that keeping the wrist curled in helps. Most of the damage to my elbow happened when I used to open up the wrist (before watching video 1), it passed the momentum onto the elbow.
@@Theorose80 thanks! Two things have helped me:
1. Focusing on not pulling the disc to power pocket using my biceb even just a little. But keeping my arm loose and the power pocket happens naturally.
2. Really focusing on weight shift as the power generator for my drives and never ripping with my arm with over 90% force.
Unfortunately no distance gained but none lost either.
@@akselim7403 how about accuracy?
@@Theorose80 don’t know not much change tbh. I guess I still haven’t cracked the weight shift fully and that could lead to gains
Fingers crossed!
Mikey, you're ridiculous in the best possible way!
when i get that deep into the pocket i end up grip locking to the right. i tend to get to my left peck before shoulders come through and i can get the disc to leave on time and accurate. every time i try to get my disc deep into the hit it goes right fast. how i can i stop this.
Your shoulders are probably beating the hand forward. Aka your chest is facing too far forward when the disc comes out
@@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks for this. I’ll focus on slowing my upper body down and really getting into the hit.
What is the metric for progression? Say, I'm working on the grip drill, how do I know I'm ready to move on?
From the grip video you want to have the disc redirecting out of your hand
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You are killing me with the lack of shoulder rotation going into the hit. 😵As you demonstrate in slow motion, you always stop your shoulders in line with the direction of the throw, demonstrating "arming" the disc through the hit. If you look at Simon's shoulders at 3:34, they are open at least 30 degrees (just like his hips) at the point of release. As someone who "armed" his discs for too many years and have worked hard to re-learn, throwing easy is so much about shoulder rotation.
Most pros are between 8-18 degrees open
The feel you're looking for is the directed momentum drive towards the target. That drive will trigger the forearm whip when you're roughly lined up to the target; however your body does not move in a straight line, so your shoulders will continue to rotate (see the over-rotation comment thread above this one). Also, keep in mind, pros, especially Simon, are usually far more athletic (and in my case younger) than we are and can afford some amount of inefficiency we typically can't. If you watch footage of pros head-on off the tee, you'll see that their shoulders are pretty neutral to their line at the hit and quickly open from there
One other thing to note: pros, esp. Simon, are stepping "into" the shot. Therefore, their front foot is to the left of the target (RHBH), so when the shoulders are lined up to the target at the hit, it appears that their shoulders are more open than they are
I have to chime in and agree with Mike here. I was playing a par 2 round of disc golf a few months ago, and was having the worst performance in years. I was horrified and had no idea why all my releases were terribly off. Either really early, or late, or often fluffy (disc coming out prematurely, with no snap). The next day I filmed myself throwing and I realized my arm was basically doing all the work. The shoulders just weren't rotating forward, and the arm was basically doing 100% of the throwing past a certain point. It's one thing for the arm to move ahead of the shoulders during the throw. It's another thing for the shoulders to basically stop rotating and the arm doing the rest of the work. Nearly all of the pros really only extend the arm past the shoulders AFTER the disc releases from the hand. That's a part of the follow through. But it can't happen before release.
@@NickCarroll Right, your shoulder rotation should be "trebucheting" your lower arm out; there shouldn't be a strong-arming from the power pocket position. The point at which that happens is when your shoulders are roughly pointed toward the target. Your upper body should never actually stop rotating, but the position Josh shows is where the kinetic chain activates. Danny does a great job of explaining it: ruclips.net/video/9lg9JzxagDk/видео.html
Oh I have watched and I have practiced it.
And still throw nose up and hyzer to narnia…at least that’s what I did
I’m new to disc golf and would like to avoid hurting my elbow. How do you get the snap at the release without locking your elbow?
It happens much like when you pop a towel. You can snap it without a locked out elbow
Snap doesn't occur from any stopping motion. It will occur at the natural release point of the disc. The follow through is extremely important. Just like throwing a ball in any other sport.
My elbow continues to drop and my forearm gets slightly above the elbow causing problems. What are some reasons this could be happening? Im not finding it yet in my slo mo’s.
Is it possible this happens naturally for some people? I usually keep my arm 100 percent relaxed and it looks like in the slow motion my completely relaxed arm naturally goes elbow first. Just asking so I know if I need to work on adding some muscle to get the most out of the levers
Totally possible
Quick question: do you think the part of the throw where the arm goes through the hit should be actively pushed by the arm muscles? I see conflicting advice on this from various sources. Some say the arm muscles should be completely unused in the throw but I feel like when I actively push my arm through the hit I get noticeably more speed and power on it.
Active imo
Is the elbow leading due to you pulling your arm across or does it start with the rotation of the hips and the shoulders/arm follows?
Your arm
for me if i dont twist while doing arm drill i cant get the in and out snap...
Shoulder direction should be on-target at the release correct? I think my main issue is rushing through this too quickly and over-rotating at times which leads to more of a pull than a straight shot. Maybe some clarity on that would be great.
The line between the shoulders?
Your leading shoulder should be basically pointed at your target. You can use the (perceived) stopping of the shoulders to trigger the forearm whip and keep everything in line. (In reality, you'll be a little right of your target, but it should feel directed towards it)
Check out this loop ghost video: ruclips.net/video/eULzMfHKyvA/видео.html. It's about weight shift and uses a "battering ram" analogy. The feeling you're looking for is directing the "battering ram" at the target which will, essentially, line up your front shoulder to the target (or just slightly right). As you accelerate through the hit, your arm/followthrough and continued momentum will pull you through the rest of the movement, facing you up to the target after the disc leaves. This "battering ram" motion will help keep you from over-rotating since it focuses on a (somewhat) linear direction of force toward the target vs. simply spinning your hips and shoulders
Those commercials!!! Haha, finding the common ground with Sci-Fi/Fantasy/Gaming is key for all sports ;)
Also; Chandler from Friends sounding like a whip comes to mind @6:42 xD Wha-pha! 😅
You know it!
Can you do a video on the most effective way to eliminate toe dragging. My shoe budget is killing me...
im not sure it is a bad thing
Get some Keen's! A pair lasts me a couple seasons.
Bend at waist to throw big spike hyzer leg should come up to balance. Might be enough to kickstart the correction.
Saw an old mention of this as: do regular throws but put 110% focus into throwing with ONLY your brace leg on the ground. Over exaggerate and lift the back leg way high.
This will help you get used to not having the support and balance of the toe drag.
Good luck!
I would guess you’re spinning out instead of that back foot sliding forward. But can’t know for sure unless I see it.
Question - do people really get to the right pec? Seems like in most slow motions they "throw-out" starts from center chest at most. Maybe double-G gets it a bit deeper. Or is this just different for everyone depending on mobility etc?
It's worth noting that not everyone's forearm is the same length in relation to their shoulders. I think that the angles are more important than the absolute positions, and the same angles will produce different positions if one person has wide shoulders and a short forearm but the next person has narrow shoulders and a long forearm
Some get deeper than others but the cue should be to get there and the disc will probably come out a little earlier
Wow, this is fantastic. I've been avoiding my drives and focusing on approach shots (I generally play a short course), but soon I will switch to working on drives. I did get a net, used your affiliate link, and hope you got the payout. I was an affiliate once, but I complained because some of my sales weren't generating revenue... so they permanently banned me. All of that to say, my unsolicited advice is to never ever complain or even mention anything to Amazon about anything affiliate related. This video is great, I'm super excited to get to beating up my net. Smash.
Our lips are sealed
Need a form breakdown with AB
Could you explain why eagle and Simon has their elbow significantly lower then this?
Different people find better leverage at different heights. Probably got a lot to do with the length of the upper arm if I had to guess.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf thanks, been wondering about that.
@@octojunkapa2607 also I’m standing upright so it looks higher than if I was bent over like normal
@@OverthrowDiscGolf yes i guess, but im concerned haha. Alot of bombers are soooo low, Albert tamm, Simon and eagle go name a few 😅
@@octojunkapa2607 long arms.
Question...your left arm seems to go down behind your hip... I tell my guys to make sure the left arm(RHBH) is slightly in front of left hip...ive always thought behind the hip its more of a brake...im i wrong?😅🙈
You get both but probably more people go behind
Hello sir, can you come to europe?
I would like to
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The thumbnail looks like an album cover for a 90s boy band.... so please release your next single.
It is very annoying how the naturally gifted people are not even trying lol
Josh out here blue shifting frisbees; love to see it!
Mikey can you give Dakota a high five for me?
*high five*
Reps Reps Reps
Holy cow dude you look great! How many pounds have you lost? Truly inspiring me to keep losing weight!
60 currently
that went quick! That's awesome man. I lost over 100lbs at one point (150 to be exact) and ended up gaining 40 back when we had a kid. And it's those 40 you just went through, the real pain in the ass ones...I got stuck on this wall so many times, I'm sure you feel awesome!
@@shiftonephoto baby weight is a thing for sure lol. Compassion weight
Seriously be careful when doing the drill, even at slow speeds if your arm locks out on the hit it will hurt, it can happen by accident
Dude - how much weight have you lost!? You are looking svelte!
60lbs currently. Thanks
Online coaches change their stance so often on backhand form. Its ridiculous.
Ridiculous
I think the back should be renamed the place back. You’re not reaching.
I love your content bro, but your latest videos are very confusing. First, if this is so important, why weren't you teaching this earlier. Do coaches GATEKEEP? I don't understand this grip, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO KEEP WRIST CURLED ON A FULL SPEED THROW WITH FOLLOW THRU. PLEASE,PLEASE,PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS BETTER AS IT.SEEMS VERY IMPORTANT TO YOU.
I won’t speak for all coaches, but I don’t gatekeep. As I learn and teach, what is important changes or is emphasized more or less.
Do not actively unfurl the wrist is what I’m saying. The wrist might straighten out a bit but it isn’t active
Slimming down?
Yes
Hey could you try to make your videos shorter? I think almost all of them could be half as long. Too much self-promotion and other unnecessary things. I want to watch your videos to learn but I'm dreading the length and unnecessary fluff.
I would suggest a short form content platform for your viewing.