Finding the BEST Rig: Could SCX10 Pro Be It?
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- The Axial SCX10 Pro is Axial's impressive new kit catering to competitive RC rock crawling. Our early testing has found it to be very good. However, some minor issues have me unsure about driving it to victory in our country's biggest RC crawling comp of 2023. Do I take it with me or do I drive my existing Performance Scale rig that we've built up on the channel recently?
I need some clarity!
Today, we pull out the 4 most competitive 'C2' (or Performance Scale) kit-build vehicles I currently have in my RC garage. The SCX10 Pro goes up against the Traxxas TRX4 Sport (kit), the GMade GS02F (kit) and my SCX10 Raw Builder's Kit with INJORA LCG chassis (custom). This might be the best way to help work out which rig is the one to enter in the upcoming high-level competition!
Let's test!
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In this video:
Traxxas TRX4 Sport: • TRX4 Sport Kit Review:...
GMade GS02F: • GMade BOM TC GS02F: Ne...
INJORA LCG Chassis: • The INJORA LCG Chassis...
Axial SCX10 Pro: • Axial SCX10 Pro: How's...
Pro-Line Trencher Tires: asiate.es/aff?l=183376&i=76070
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Chapters:
0:00 SCX10 Pro Test
1:28 TRX4 Sport
3:32 GMade GS02F
4:50 INJORA LCG Chassis
7:41 SCX10 Pro
10:29 INJORA or Axial?
10:47 INJORA Course 2
13:22 SCX10 Course 2
15:45 Decision Time?
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I hope you make a video of the pro with the changes you're going to try. I'd also like to see a you test the landmines vs trenchers on the same rig.
I'll keep you guys up to date with changes to the pro, yep.
My newest and biggest on RUclips tire test series is coming soon. We have a LOT of tires to test and these two will both be included :)
Thank you for showing the way ahead for those who follow.
Heh, no worries. Let's say it's "a way ahead" rather than "the way ahead" - but I'm glad it's useful! Cheers
Thanks for sharing the journey.
I’m learning heaps.
Awesome to read that :)
Great content! Interesting and well produced. Keep it up!
Thank you kindly :)
You ran the Pro last on each course. That in itself is an advantage.. just saying.
Good luck, awesome vid.
True enough, but it didn't seem to help! For what it's worth, I am familiar with these rocks and set the courses myself so I wasn't learning new sequences in the drives. But you're right, I should have mixed it up a bit. Cheers
I really like your video. Good job and great crawling location as well. Would like to see how it turns out with the longer shocks and a small droop. I’ve been thinking the same for my trx4.
No worries!
There was a guy at our last comp who had the Traxxas Long Link Kit that comes with tut bigger shocks too, but he'd kept the 1.9 wheels and 4.6" tires. Had the shock springs as light as possible and it was something of a semi-droop setup. Seemed to work alright. Been thinking of trying that myself!
Beautiful place- great video ‼️👍👍🦾🦾
Thank you
I am on Sport #4 its an awesome scale trail running backyard basher! 😎
loved this video, really cool comparison between all these trucks
Hey great! Thanks :)
My biggest take away is your comp stance is on point 😛
Pfft I could have made a video with that take-away with a lot less effort, lol
Thanks for the video, real interesting to see!
I'm comping with mine for the first time this weekend, so we'll see how it goes. What I've found is that you have to use the lower CG to your advantage especially when it comes to ledges like the one you got hung up on, it seems like if you came in at angle, you might could've hooked the rear right tire and pulled it over without hitting the gate. The lower CG will let you pull lines like that a little easier without flipping over. I've found the belly and such slides really well once you get it over the hump, but it can sometimes hang up in the bend on the rear links also.
Everything looks different on camera, though, so maybe not. I'll be curious to hear how changing out the shocks works out for you too.
Thanks, and good advice. Will update on this as I work through it. Best of luck with yours!
Simply amazing - I am in 24th scale but I will soon be making my way to 1/10th lol -Thanks for sharing
Oh nice. The small scale stuff has never been better and there's heaps of choice in 1/10 too. Have fun!
That break over on the pro has me concerned. At this point, I would take the Injora build. You seem to be more comfortable driving it. Great video! I am looking forward to seeing how the pro does with the upgrades. Good luck!
You and me both! Thanks
Hey Craig! - pity you had the Canyon Trails running in the wrong direction haha!! Great video content as usual my friend!
Whoa! I am impressed you caught that! I just went out and checked, thinking, 'surely he is mistaken'. But nope, you're right! Oops!
You've given yourself a tough decision there Craig. My tought with the SCX10 Pro would either be longer rear shocks to increase the breakover angle and ride height or if you can adjust the rear ride height with shock collars. The only adjustment I'd make to your Injora rig is to runn more droop, mainly as it looks less stable sidehilling than the Pro. Best of luck during the comp, keep the great videos coming please.
Your channel is definately one of my favourites. Cheers buddy.
Thanks for the ideas and encouragement, Sean! Much appreciated.
Awesome footage! All cool rigs… hard decisions… as said before take both and use what’s more comfortable.
Thanks. I'd like to settle on one or the other. We shall see!
Take all four of them, it would still be fun 😍
Heh I'm entering 6 classes already so I'll have enough rigs as it is! Gonna be great!
@@RCTNT Holy Hannah 6 classes, that is awesome!!!
I would run the same course until you know the best lines......then run each truck several times to see which one you're fastest and most comfortable with. Cannot wait for my SCX10 Pro body to arrive so I can crawl with it. Best of luck on the decision making process and future comps!
Thanks David, that's pretty much what I'll be doing on my home course as I tune them both. Enjoy finishing your build :)
Fun watching. I should do
Something like this with my rigs in my videos
Thanks, testing is a bit of work on camera but it's useful and also fun :)
Definitely would take both hehe. Never know what can happen! There are looking good! Like the vid
At this point, that's the plan! Thanks
I think the longer shocks with high droop combined with more drive time might be what you need. Good luck!
I think you might be right! Thanks
You have some really nice crawlers…keep up the good videos..
lol thanks, though I broke no less than 5 of them at ECCF late last month, Australia's biggest crawling event for 2023. Didn't break everything though and came home with a podium finish for one of the two classes where I didn't have a failure, but geez P/Scale was rough in particular! Busted the INJORA Custom rig here and then did the rear diff in the SCX10 Pro! Rough day in the office, that one. Video round-up from the comp coming soon, I've only been home from the trip a few days :) Great time though! Cheers
@@RCTNT do a video of that event ECCF that would be cool! I want to see how Aussies crawl lol
U should see if u can find some curved link bars that will fit the gs02f maybe the axial links might fit and maybe try two stage foams in the tires to and see if it will help
Thanks :) Bent lower links would be helpful.
I've tested 12 sets of tires on this thing before, several with dual stage foams. The GS02F is one heck of a performer for its class!
I used it in my wet tire test last year and it was epic: ruclips.net/video/EtjboFfQsT0/видео.html
It would be interesting to see the TRX4 sport with heavy wheels and without the roof rack. Off course it won't be as good as the comp rigs. But it would be fun to compare. :) Nice video, I enjoyed it as always. 👍
Oh, and btw such a nice spot to crawl. 👍
I have a more fair comparison of these two here: ruclips.net/video/xXC7UlGnWL8/видео.html
The gmade has plastic wheels instead which is more fair!
@@RCTNT thanks 👍 my curiosity was actually aimed at if the TR4 sport would get closer to the comp rigs with heavier wheels and less top weight. :) (Perhaps it wouldn't, but it would still be interesting to see how much it could improve with those simple mods. And to see the difference between a 'regular' build with minor upgrades does vs a 'true' comp rig) :)
The gmade GS02F may be a reasonable stand in here then. I didn't notice until I was on location that the GS02F had 440g in wheels under it - similar to giving the TRX4 the same - and we saw that it got closer to the comp rigs. The gmade has built in overdrive and is less durable but more technically proficient out of the box (or after being built, electronics being equal) than the TRX4. And for what it's worth, the gmade also was running the same electronics as the Sport in this video.
In short, these rigs can get close. The more serious comp rigs leave the more regular rigs behind in that last 10 or 15% of performance.
The value isn't anywhere near as good as the cheaper kits and RTR options, as your cost steeply jumps when you start getting specialised, but the distance is definitely there! Cheers :)
@@RCTNT awesome thorough reply. Thanks. :) Have a great day and I'll see you in the next video 👍
A little bit off topic, thoughts on best RTR 1/10 crawler?? The VS4-10 RTR and Sendero HD are my 2 frontrunners, tough choice. Great content as usual! One day i'll build a kit up from scratch
Best RTR crawler, if you're after crawling ability, is the Ecto or Base Camp, I think. I have videos for those, plus the two you mentioned. In a few days there's a video coming that compares the Ecto to the Sendero HD on two comp courses in the gorge nearby here. Trx4 Sport is popular for good reason also. This video will give you an idea of comparative performance, too:
ruclips.net/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/видео.html
It's a beautiful location as you said. Both trucks look good. My thought is to go with the Injora because it handle challenges that the Axial cannot. You are familiar with it and you have had more wheel time. I think you have a lot of confidence in it. Is it possible to run the new truck in another class?
You might be right there. On balance, I'm running this youtube channel now and it occurs to me that running the pro in the comp, stock as it is, might be useful to many. I'm thinking about it anyway!
@@RCTNT I know going into a race I have chosen a new car rather than the one that is proven performer because of it's potential and that most often doesn't work.
Wise words!
Ha, excellent Craig. Um I think you could of had less reverses with a little more care. The pro looked a tad more stable to me. Both awesome rigs, tough decision. Good luck what ever you decide, look forward to seeing the pro with the changes you suggested. John
Thanks John, you're right, I could have done so. For what it's worth, at time of filming I had run 11 different vehicles through 27 courses total in the prior 5 days (I just counted!). We had a comp and I batch filmed several videos on either side of it, as I'm getting my channel prepared to run on its own for a month. This was the last of them. I drove with care but not without trying to keep the pace up - videos just get too long otherwise.
For what it's worth, I was consistent with both rigs here, too fast or not, so the end result of getting a fair comparison is the same! (Or, it sounded good in theory anyway)
I choose the RedCat gen 8!!! For price, looks, and performance!!! The only drawback of the Gen 8 is the big stock body that comes with it, swap it out to a regular size body, I believe it would do better than all these!!!js 😎🇺🇲🖤
Gen8 v2 is a great deal, isn't it. I don't know about outperforming the others here in stock form, but with a bunch of changes you can certainly get it there.
Since you’re faster for the Pro, even though you’re less familiar with it, it seems to me that you could take a little more time to choose your line properly and avoid high peaks when possible. But I’m not a comp guy.
You're not wrong! I just drove my natural speed but slowing down could have definitely helped here and there!
Noticed you mentioned overdrive, and though it might be worth it to do an overdrive/no overdrive A/B testing as a video idea, just like your tyre one - The biggest crawler channel on youtube has done one, and the conclusion was OD actually harmed the crawling & climbing ability, especially on low traction surfaces (dust). Would be interesting to see the same test replicated on the terrain you use under comp rules, as his was just whether it could crawl up at all. He used a VS10-4 to switch OD on and off - your SCX10 pro has underdrive on demand either manually or via servo, so you could test that out.
Interesting, thanks for the idea!
My short answer is that o/d helps on anything that needs the front to lead - turns, ledges and steps where you need to 'thread the needle' so to speak with steering and careful throttle; o/d harms on regular crawling as it hampers the rear from pushing the rig forward.
Really, it depends on the terrain. I think I could make a solid demonstration of how it both helps and harms. Thanks again, I'll think on it as a video idea. Cheers
Nice one Craig!
Between the TRX4 Sport and Basecamp, which one is a better crawler with minimal mods in your opinion? Much appreciated.
Hm, in both stock form and modded, they're similar in performance and potential. The Traxxas tires are definitely better out of the box, while I personally like electronics in the Base Camp better (though they're both a bit rubbish and I'd recommend a kit wherever possible).
You might want to watch this if you haven't already: ruclips.net/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/видео.html
Cheers
I'd drive the rigs in the opposite order. Start with that you think is the best and finish with the worst. This way the experience you gain from running the courses doesn't affect the performance of the better rigs. Also helps people realize that if you drive a less built car enough, you can compete with a close to stock car too and do well.
That's a solid theory, I think. Thanks
Lots of extra weight on that Sport kit. Great for scale trail running, but not so much for the off camber and steep inclines.
In its stock form as shown here, yes indeed. With some upgrades though... Well, I don't need to tell you, with 4 of them! Great rig isn't it.
@@RCTNT my Sport gets 98% of the lines my SCX10 II used to get. But the Sport is just so heavy! It makes an awesome go anywhere, through anything basher though!! Pretty bullet proof it is!!!
Well said. It's a tank alright.
nice test
Thanks
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You should really look at the Negativegrc chassis. They are amazing.
Thanks, I have done and must agree. A bloke at our comps drives one and I love it
@@RCTNT that’s awesome. I have two and enjoy the heck out of them. They have give me two first places in the last six months in a field of almost 30 competitors. Good rigs!
I can believe it!
I was surprised to not see your element sendero.
Sendero vs Ecto video coming soon, filmed at that same location :)
But the Sendero was not a kit and this video was looking at vehicles I've built. Cheers!
maybe lay down the rear shocks and switch oil & springs to compensate
I'm not sure if that would achieve what I need from the front wheels reaching further down in obstacles. Thanks for the suggestion, I'm considering everything currently!
Scx10 pro looks better. Nice video, nice test！
It looks great doesn't it?
I recommend the Raptures
Ah, jconcepts ruptures, right? Yes, they have a good reputation! Will try to get hold of a set. Thanks
You should’ve done a little work to your element. And brought it along. Lunch beautiful truck you have though
I haven't got an element kit here apart from the Gatekeeper, which didn't seem to fit! I do have an Ecto vs a Sendero video filmed here in the gorge coming soon though. It's in the editing room right now :)
Which one do you higly recomended rig?
It really depends on what you want to do. The scx10 pro is very good, as is the TRX4 Sport - but they're very different. I guess that's why I make all these videos. Have a look at my reviews for the various ones, you can see how they drive on the same course, how they handle, etc.
What's your heart telling you, Craig? Follow it, and you won't regret even if the logical conclusion is using the Injora chassis for the comp. You have set it up to be to your liking but the challenge of running a less capable machine and "what if" question are telling me you should try the SCX10 Pro.
Haha your question there had my answer already, I've decided on the one I'm familiar with (the INJORA rig). I'll still take the scx10 pro with me though - I have 12 hours of road trip to think about it more!!
I love lcg chazzy's
There's some pretty good choice out there today now too, eh?
I want to build a lcg 275mm wheel base with a 2 dr jeep wrangler body for the challenge... but as far as I know there isn't a whole lot of lcg let alone 275mm frames available
Nothing stopping you cutting down the back end of an lcg chassis rail set, I guess.
Scx10 pro looks like a better rig u just have to learn to line up on gates in your turns better
Well you got me there, I definitely could have done a better job on that double gate touch!
But also, same driver on both rigs. I'm also consistent. I don't have to be the best to test this if I'm driving against myself with other trucks. I just have to be consistent.
I love my pro...but it does alittle more weight
It needs a little more weight, is that what you meant?
Interestingly, the winning rigs at bigger comps I've attended are typically 1.4kg to 1.6kg total. The scx10 pro is 1.8kg in the config I've posted here, though that heavy FOC system could be replaced with a lightweight outrunner and lighter ESC for 0.2kg+ weight saving.
I'll keep tinkering with it this year anyway and we'll see where we end up!
Gmade
It was in this video, yep, and it's a great rig!
Are u OK? You don't look well mate ❤
Thanks. It varies. I'm good enough for now, thanks :)
Take the rack and everything off of that trx4
Here's why I haven't done that:
ruclips.net/video/hizKVssLFyw/видео.html
It's not the truck its driver 😂
It's always the driver.
Woah.
He's just giving his opinion.
Then you just say "don't drive courses.."
Taking offense so easily.
Toy trucks are Serious Business after all :)
I would like to add that your test is not unbiased I know that the trx4 sport would do much better if you gave it a real chance
Absolutely, yes, not unbiased. The GMade GS02F had 440g in wheels under it. I had the Sport in stock form - no weights or any advantages added to it. I added it out of interest and for a rough comparison only. This video is really about the SCX10 Pro and how it compares to the others.
I do have a very fair comparison of the TRX4 Sport going up against the Base Camp, Ecto and Pioneer, all of them in stock load-out and zero mods. If that sounds interesting, you can check it out here:
ruclips.net/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/видео.html
Thanks for watching, my friend!
You need to take all that crap off the top of the sport, not a good comparison with the other 3 not having any... Good video though.
I used to think that too, but it doesn't make a huge difference, I've found:
ruclips.net/video/hizKVssLFyw/видео.html
Really this video was about which of the two comp rigs to take north, but with better cog the Sport is undeniably a performer, as we all know :)
@@RCTNT Yes sir.. I think the basecamp did the best overall, but it was definitely real close! Good luck which ever one you take!!!
No base camp in this video! The pro you mean? In either case it was sure close! I think I'm spoiled for choice really. Thank you!
You do not drive courses very often do you
That's true, I've run just three comps total since 2020. Getting back into it now but yep, I am a bit rusty!
Was not trying to be mean I just think when I am watching these VS videos that all trucks should be set up the same all stock or all custom but having a truck in half droop , one full droop one no droop one stock rtr is not not a true comparison sorry
Ah I see! For what it's worth here, the Sport and GS02F are fully stock, no changes to either, except I didn't notice the GS02F had 440g under it in wheels until I already was at the gorge. I was filming 3 different videos that day and it was just too late to charge that.
The scx10 pro was also fully stock, all three of these kits were built to specification in the manuals. That's a fair comparison from that point of view, aside from the GS02F having weighted wheels, which is regrettable.
The yellow rig is built from many parts. It's not a kit, though the axles are from the raw builders kit. It's included here as a reference, after all the work recently getting it overhauled (video links in description).
I do actually have a number of balanced, fair comparisons of stock rigs on the same course, such as these:
Sport vs GS02F ruclips.net/video/-yfV3vBZFbY/видео.html
Sport, Ecto, Base Camp & Pioneer ruclips.net/video/psFjmvRa2Mc/видео.html