We take a ride in a 1931 V16 Cadillac after a quick look at a Cadillac Ciel
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- My apologies to all who commented on my first attempt with this video. I had to take it down because of a big mistake I made. My only cover is that I'm getting old and stupid.
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Any thing built in 1930s America was a class act.
Only best carss
keep this car away from rat rodders
Too big to bother with anyway.
+Drew Gadsby luckily
Keep original
I want one but I am going to get one in need of work so I wont feel bad about putting a more modern and powerful engine and drive train in it, other than that all original, maybe a discrete sound system.
@@TheDenofBadgers You take the V16 out its no longer called Cadillac V16 then. This is one of the most important cars ever, not something you can swap for a LS or put a cheap JBL subwoofer in.
In one revolution only 8 cylinders fire, assuming the engine is a four cycle
Bob Smith it did hurt ears too !
No it fires 8 cylinders per revolution, in a four stroke engine you devide the cylinder count in two and you get the amount of cylinders firing per revolution
@Terry Melvin i was answering some dude who deleted his comment
If americans call that thing big it must be horrifyingly huge
Lol!
If you start walking at one end, you MIGHT get to the other by Noon! It'll probably pass anything on the road but a gas station! It's a beautiful, REALLY big car. Hope it survives another 80 years, and that it can still find gasoline to run on!
+The12SQ7GT Finding gasoline might become harder in future
Hey, Hans. They said that in the 70's, that the world was running out of oil. BULLSHIT! Look what happened. This planet creates petroleum as we speak. Don't take my word for it. Check it out.
Some random guy 12 Sq7gt is a radio tube if you need one I have 10000 tubes of that era
Every rev would yield 8 power strokes (not 16) unless for some reason it's a 2-stroke design. Sweet ride though!
+MJorgy5 I don't think the owner is too savvy as to expressing mechanical things accurately. There was some misinformation also with regard to tuning it with the eight cylinders of one bank running "faster" than those of the other bank. I know he meant 'hitting harder', meaning mostly the carburetors not being 'in synch' and more vacuum being pulled on one side than the other.
Right. Considering that all 16 cylinders are connected to the same crankshaft, it would be a good trick to have one bank running faster than the other. Surely it would take the discovery of a new principal in physics.
Exactly! I hope it wasn't the actual owner who suggested 16 cylinders FIRING every revolution.
A collector in London, Ontario has a couple of these V16 Caddies, along with an amazing collection of other rare and "One Off" Cadillacs. Surprisingly, at idle the exhaust note is quite similar to a V8 but things really smooth out as the revs climb.
8 power pulses per revolution not 16
16 cylinders fireing on 1 revolution?? Is it a 2 stroke engine? If it's a 4 stroke engine you only got 8 cylinders fireing on one revolution as any 4 stroke engine will do a full cycle in one cylinder in 2 revolutions.
Other than that it's an amazingly nice car Caddilac made in that era!
@Terry Melvin But for every 22.5° of rotation, a single cylinder fires adjacently after the one that fired before it.
Love hearing those gears whine. Beautiful car !!!
Sounds like a TRUCK!
A Cadillac truck!
It took them 80 years to make another one!
I know of a guy who has a 1930, with a different body. He had it since 1956, but he passed away a few years ago and now his nephew owns and drives it. It's never been restored either, though he's had some windows replaced because they were yellowing badly.
beautiful, beautiful car. thanks for putting this video up.
The owner tells a great story about the bricks being thrown at owners that owned these type of cars during the depression. Owners hiding these cars due to class envy during the Union and then the scrap drives during the F.D.R. era.
Every 2 revolutions 16 cylinders fire...not every revolution...or is it a 2 stroke? ;-)
It's a 4 stroke, so for every one revolution of the crank there are eight cylinders firing.
I LOVE the sound of those old transmissions!
when a Cadillac was a Cadillac!
This has always been my favorite engine. The ONLY engine that sounds better than a V8 is a V16. A V10 and a V12 doesn't sound good. A V6 doesn't sound good. A V2 or a V4 sounds really good. But a V8 or V16 is the best.
Let´s screw a supercharger on it :D
stunning car, never videoed one of these beautiful V16 Caddys
Mr Burns from the Simpsons would ride in a car like this.
Burns would probably convert it to run on whale oil, And Mr. Smithers would (happily) be his chauffeur!
E-X-C-E-L-L-E-N-T !
Nice! I love that gear box whine too.
Bo McGillacutty It sounds more like a differential sound, where the ring gear and pinion are not meshing properly (misalignment).
msotil You sound like you know better then I but it didn't sound destructive and being a valuable restored machine I assumed everything was in order. Plus some how it sounds a bit familiar.
msotil - - Notice the sound goes away when he shifts into 3rd (direct) drive. Likely straight cut gears in the gearbox which will whine like that.
Right; it has to be gearbox whine.
According to what I've read, the engine was so flexible that it would run smoothly down to only 3 mph in high gear. Low gear was used only for starting on extra steep hills. Thus, the driver is doing more shifting than necessary. Actually, except for top speed, a model A Ford would beat the V16. Like many cars of the time, the V16 had an extra heavy flywheel for smoothness. Thus, when accelerating from 0 to 60, it made little difference whether one went through the gears or just started in high (3rd) gear. People at that time weren't much interested in acceleration. They wanted good flexibility to minimize gear shifting and permit hill climbing in high gear, and that's what they got.
My father, who was born in 1899, told me that when people learned to drive in earlier times, they were taught to disengage the clutch when making a fast stop because otherwise the momentum of the heavy flywheel would make stopping take longer. With modern cars, the fly wheel is much lighter and has little effect on stopping distance.
Even in (relatively) modern cars manual gearboxes will still have a straight cut gear for reverse which makes that characteristic whine caused by the whole tooth hitting the teeth at quite a sharp angle on the other gear, helical gears hit the other teeth at a not so sharp of an angle thus reducing the whine. Reverse is straight cut because it inserts a gear between input and output shafts and it has to slide the gear in, on the odd occasion they don't line up so you have to run the main shaft to get the teeth to line up which can make reverse hard to select
My Grandfather played piano, for the silent movies. The piano was up near the stage, and he would watch for a scary part or exciting part in the movie and play accordingly .He was excellent on the keyboards. He was also the Piano man in a band, that played in the North East, in the 20's and 30's 40's......and he painted houses with my dad and uncle....Anyway, He owned a V16 Caddy in the 30's, and like the owner said, he bought it cheap. He would drive my grandmother, the lead singer in the band, and the band...to many "gigs". He sold it for 100 dollars when WW!! started in 41. I wish he had kept that car. I love that era. Matt.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas
station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station fuel
pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in
the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems,
turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and
New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be
done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of
crime here, called emissions and smoke crime :-(//
Great channel Chuck I subbed!
I want one, I bet people still throw rocks at it....Every CADILLAC I owned people spewed abuse at it.....
My daughter gave me a 2002 DeVille about 3 years ago. I had never even sat in a Cadillac till then. It was my pride & joy until I was rear ended which totaled it out. I bought a 2008 Chrysler hopefully to replace it. It can never take the Cadillac"s place.
I well understand the reaction of the poor when in 1968 my well to do future brother in law was able to date my sister in his brand new Mustang fastback while I was just a humble student. We never did get along very well.
Dang, that's a GORGEOUS CAR!!
I’m glad he drives it. That is what cars are made for!
16 firings per 2 revolutions. intake stroke, fire, exhaust stroke.
Depreciated from $6500 in three years to $250....kind of like today....LOLOL Now you could not touch this car for les than a Zillion.
67 years ago the lady across the street had a v12 Lincoln Willoughby limo that a chauffer drove only on Sunday to church it smoked a lot the driver had a Fraser vagabond the door sign said Wiggins & Briggs landscaping.coal ice milk delivered to house
I can sympathise. My own grandfather, a soldier in the Red Army, managed to get a Mercedes staff car. He hid it right through the Stalin years and only pulled it out in the 80s. We used to ride around in it when I was little - this sound brought back some memories. It still goes!
If you can drive a stick shift now you probably wouldn't have any trouble driving a stick shift from 1930. Not much has changed.
Give the guy a break about the firing. Obviously, he has the money to own it and didn't build it. So, he's not a gear head. He is preserving it.
Thanks for that, good job!
Thank's a million! Such a gorgeous car, just a dream on wheels!
by the way, I was wondering what causes the wine in first gear... it is one of the most pleasing sounds I've ever heard!
I love this car!!!!!
I have such a big list of 'want' cars, but this is honestly in my top 20, and possibly even in the top 10 (This or a Bug' Royale I can never decide upon, even though they are in different leagues). The list is ever changing though :) You are the man we all wish we could be for ATLEAST a day Chuck Derer!
how big the is the gas tank on that ?
Gallons? More like barrels.
@@lsswappedcessna The owner didn't travel long distances by car. They went by train. The chauffeur took care of the motor vehicles.
love the whining gears ! wow
At 3:19 he said "For every one revolution, you have sixteen cylinders firing". That's not correct because each cylinder of a four-stroke engine fires only once for every two revolutions of the crankshaft, so a four-stroke, sixteen cylinder engine would fire eight times for each crankshaft revolution. (Twice as many as a V-8)
Fabulous car, by the way!
what's not mentioned it has overhead valves in later years went to flathead 8 until 49 .had a 59vette same noisy trans .could buy them 800$ in 70s
Actually Cadillac introduced a flathead V8 in 1915 and had a flathead V8 through 1948. They introduced an overhead valve V8 in 1949. But the original V16 was OHV although oddly, they had a flathead V16 for one year after dropping the OHV V16 in about 1938. Another variation was a V12. So, for a while, customers had a choice of 8, 12, or 16 cylinders.
The OHV V16 looked almost like two V8s side by side. There were two separate distributors, each for 8 cylinders. The valves and manifolds were not between the cylinder banks. Instead, they were on the outside. Thus, the left bank had the valves, manifolds, and carburetor on the left, and the right bank had the valves, manifolds, and carburetor on the right. That made it a bit difficult to synchronize the carburetors.
The number of V16s sold was quite low, only a few hundred. A book I have on the history of the Cadillac states, approximately, "The V16 carried Cadillac elegantly, if not pragmatically, through the depression.".
amazing car with a amazing sound
Listen to that engine!!!! LOVE IT!
Beautiful Car!!! I want to buy one!
Thank you Chuck, I really enjoyed that, and thank you to the car owner for sharing it and keeping a great piece of our automotive heritage alive and running.
Gotta love it. Caddy all the way!
You mean my 182,000 all-original mile V8, 4x4 Expedition with the Heavy Duty Trailer Towing package, Valley Industries Class IV Receiver Hitch, Borg & Warner 4406 2 speed transfer case, 3.31 limited slip rear, oil & trans cooler, 30 gallon fuel tank, Bilstein heavy duty off-road shocks, a 4R70W tranny, heavy duty cooling system w/ oversized radiator, heavy duty alternator, and optima battery? By the way, notice I did say "probably just the way it's cut" in my first comment.
16 cylinders fire every 2 revolution ...
beautiful masterpiece-thanks for sharing.
I don't think that my heart could take the shear stress of driving this thing especially in todays traffic and I damn sure would NEVER drive it at night or in the rain. haha
+GeorgeBonez And I damn sure would not park this on a parking lot...ANYWHERE. People don't care whose door they dent. I parked my car while in the gym one day and somebody backed into my front bumper with a trailer hitch "ball" and split my front bumper (they're just plastic anyway). Bumpers used to protect a car...now they protect nothing since they are what makes up about 80 % of the front and back of cars today. You remove the "bumper" and the entire front or back of the car is gone.
Expensive to replace, too!
you cant replace it PERIOD
All original except for the front seat covers. I think I saw a modern era radiator hose, but this is negligible. That's a beautiful care. Sobieski is a lucky man.
Awesome!
I wonder what kind of gas mileage this got? How large a gas tank? I remember when my folks bought a 1956 Buick Special 8 cylinder around 1959. They got rid of it after about a year because it guzzled gas even back then. These were heavy cars made from heavy gauge steel.
Beautiful car just love them !!
Ciel, como el agua Ciel de Coca-Cola?
this car is 85yrs old and it hasn't been restored, that's crazy!!!!!!!!! this vehicle is a soul survivor
After listening to this car's distinctive engine sound like a sewing machine I realised how accurate the sound was on the Lassiter V16 (Cadillac being Lassiter to avoid licencing troubles) in the game Mafia: The city of Lost Heaven.
My friend "Buzz" worked on the v16 -- they used the entire Caddy budget of 21M for just one showcar. The glass roof when wrong and had to be redone. yikes! The engine was a specially cast... NOT just 2 v8's... camshafts. the crank. All real the deal and expensive...
I love this sound .. I love cars from the late 20's - 50's ...
Would this Cadillac do 100 mph if so how did you stop it, could it outrun s Ford V8 that was available in 32, I also would like to know the cubic inch size of these V16 engines.. Have only recently delved into these high priced American care of pre 11 world war..
SO in 1931 it was a $6500 car and then 3 - 4 years later - $250 car!!!!!!!!!!! So - it is pretty much like EVERY FRIGGIN car made today!!!!!!!!
you guys are right and wrong at the same time. you are correct if you are speaking about a modern V-16, if there is one. but this is like the guy said, 2 seperate straight 8 cylinder engines, 2 seperate carbs, 2 seperate distributors, (or magnetos in this case,) the only thing that is shared is the crank CASE, not crank SHAFT. on a modern engine, only one piston fires at a time, with the next following close behind. on this one, 2 cylinder would fire at the same time, which is what he ment by one fires to slow, the other fires to fast. so the owner is correct. one full revolution equals 8 cylinders fire X 2 sets of 8 cylinders = 16 cylinders.
Does the ODOMETER (miles) portion of the speedometer work? They often had the grease in them tuurn to a lump, and as soon as toy moved the car, the thing went 'SCRAPE, CRUNCH' and that was the end of it.
Beautiful old Cadillac DO NOT restore it just keep it as is! Gentle restore only!!
Some of the Jaguar sedans had huge head lights also ( about the size of a dinner plate ), HUGE and very expensive!
you get smarter after making big mistakes....what a fine car. Do you know the v16's displacement?
Beautiful car with smooth running V16 , for smooth running 4 cylinders firing,4 exhaust stroke,4 intake and 4 compression. 8 firing would be 2 stroke..
In one engine rotation you have eight cylinders firing. This is no two stroke.
why does it look like VHS quality? ...or is that my computer? ....nice video though
This was shot years ago on some of the best video equipment that money could buy.
Now my point and shoot Kodak that cost $62 new kicks it's butt. I can only wonder what the future holds. lol
I can never understand why the American Auto company's build such beautiful concept cars and then do not put them into production , a classic example would have to be the Ford Evos , which to me should of been the new Mustang a design that moved foreword , but Ford chose to look back and produced what you see today , I don't know how long Ford is going to keep looking back with the Mustang but a some stage has to move to another design , I am sure they would be losing sales by not appealing to the younger generation rather than the Baby Boomers .
Back in the day was there anywhere that 130 mph could be achieved?
JIM BUCK YORKSHIRE UK .OWWWW I WISH .THE GOOD OLE USA .WHEN CARS WERE CARS .
The wining when driving reminds me of the old commi cars we had in Poland
Beautiful!
I think these V 16s get ‘about’ 8 miles to the gallon of gas no mater how you drive it. The engine uses much of its power to just run itself and moving the car is sort of incidental. These engines developed a lot of low end torque and it is my understanding that you can start in top gear ( third gear) and drive without shifting gears.
Who had the money at that time? We may remember the big collapse of the 30'ies - also, those who survived there without having perhaps any reason win and run on the shoulders of the succumbed ones...
its a four stroke everyone Revolution only give you 8 cylinders firing
you do NOT have 16 cylinders firing on EVERY revolution. it is four stroke so only two revolutions cause 16 firings.
Why do people who own and drive these cars always wear the ugliest, beat-up shoes? If you are going to show off a car like this, put your best shoes on for the love of Pete. No one wants a hobo driving an automobile like this.
U.S fuel prices were 10c gallon
A car this size with NO BOOT Haha. That's decadent, still better with than without. Still a fine line between this and a Duesenburg?
That is an amazing car! Thing sounds sweet!
Tudo que eu vejo eu quero
I like your attitude.
I even like your joisey accent.
But you need to get your story straight.
It fies EIGHT times per rev.
Un automovil señoreial Eso fue Cadillac Hoy es un gran cucarachon nada que ver se parece mas a un auto chino que a un CADILLAC
I agree...don't restore it. It's a beautiful car! Just put on the fedora, pin striped suit, spats and grab the machine gun 'n roll on...
I don't know why he does so much gear shifting. Those V16s were designed to run smoothly down to 3 mph in high gear.
I appreciate the view of the driver and the instrument panel as the car is moving, I think it is so unthinking that so many car videos neglect to show what the driver sees as he drives, the most important view of the interior of all.
It's funny cause the spokes-lady/model looks so annoyed and unenthusiastic about the Ciel.
interesting car but can't stand the commentary.
Lol 16 sparks every 2 rotations !! It's a 4 cycle engine not a 2 cycle ! He miss spoke.
Very Beautiful Car, very smooth running! ! Hard to believe it is not restored!
Awesome automobile. There a curtain pride and craftsmanship in this time frame of cars that has not been found since.
at 2:50,,look at it just stunning,the concept CL caddy including the blonde both nice.
AND... no roll bar... I have seen too many Corvettes laying head-down on the ground.
I love hearing it go through the gears not an m22 but sure sounds cool. Was that Pritzger driving this car ?
You know what's interesting about that, was around 1938 or 9 Buick was going to put all silent gears in thier transmissions and the dealers and the folks buyting Buick's objected. They liked the notion that folks heard them going through second gear as they took off. I've had many people comment that they like the way my '41 Buick sounds as I go through second gear! So I don't think Buick at least ever changed that until the V-8's came out in the early 50's.
Actually every 2 revolutions you have 16 cylinders firing. But the jest of what he is saying is true. 4 cyl = power stroke every 180 deg, 6cyl= 120 deg, 8cyl = 90 deg, 16 = 45 deg. More cylinders = more torque. This also made them easier to shift because with so much torque you didn't have to be as good with the clutch, you could practically just let it out and be on your way.
If it was al capones car my dad restored it
16 cylinders
Wow, what I hate is all the BMW and Mercedes fanatics saying the Germans do all these things first, well last time I checked a 1931 Hitler-mobile didnt have turning lights like they make out to be high tech today. Then theres the infrared nightime display that Cadillac used in the early 2000s DTS, that didnt make it to the Germans until around 07. Cadillac FOR THE WIN.
im a big fan of the mustang gt390 one of my dream cars i also love the db5 from bond if i ever get rich i will build a repica of one im not gonna buy one simply becouse i dont want to be afraid to drive it lol oh btw spare parts get less rear than you think have you seen the jay lenos garage episode on the parts repicator dont know the oficial name sorry