This is definitely going to be a divisive episode! What did you think of the penultimate episode of the season? From a creative and stylistic point of view I thought it was awesome and it genuinely felt like we were watching a theatre production! But I don't know if it did a good job at setting up the finale... Comment your thoughts below!
Episode 7 was a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. GET TO THE POINT, already. An entire episode was not needed to reveal Apollo's real dad or Brian's murder by Lillian. GET ON with it, already. I've already lost interest. 🤦♀ And, what's the point of the seedy hotel, exactly, and the dude dying of AIDS? None. No point. A waste of time.
The ending Brian sequence was WAY TOO confusing and CONVOLUTED. One Commentator asserted that the dying guy was Brian, which means that Brian was gay. Who cares? It was OBVIOUS from Episode 1 that Charles Blackwood is Apollo's father. "Lillian's first child was conceived in the beautiful blur of 1977." This voiceover statement was made in the first episode, and repeated in episode 7. The statement does not indicate: "Lillian and Brian's first child was conceived in 1977," which is more precise. Therefore, there was immediate doubt planted regarding the father of Lillian's child. Most important, however, is the reality that Apollo does not appear to be EVEN REMOTELY, bi-racial. I did not like the final episodes. This may be because I am not a fan of Sci-Fi or Horror film genres. However, I admire the performers and production. In fact, I only watched the first 8 episodes because I know some of the performers and producers. I will not be returning for the continuing episodes. Not my cup of tea.
People in the comments…there is no indication to me that Brian was not Apollos father. If she had the affair with the boss she would not have had to work Saturdays and leave her child alone. Lots of Black biracial people don’t appear stereotypically biracial and lots of Black children are lighter as children and get darker as they grow older. Brian was a malignant narcissist clearly, he was abusive, and I could see someone like that harming their child. I thought this episode was quite beautiful and artistic and brilliantly directed and acted and once I accepted that the whole episode was Lillian’s story I was able to settle in and enjoy it but to make it this long and so close to the end when people are wanting to get some other questions answered is a strange choice to me. And every movement so drawn out like her putting things one by one in a suitcase. It was not a big revelation to me that she killed Brian I’ve known that from the second it was clear he came to the apartment to harm her child. That’s a mothers instinct. The fact that Apollo has survived whatever was going on when she saw that smoke under the door and Bryan was nowhere to be found plus the scene of her throwing a suitcase in the water had already suggested that. Why so much time given to this storyline while Cal keeps talking in riddles about what happens to the doggone babies. This show has a lot of individually beautiful and fascinating and interesting pieces but tonally and structurally and storytelling wise it’s incoherent and frustrating I don’t feel like I’m enjoying it all enough to make up for sitting through a baby being boiled alive three episodes in. The show set out to do something wonderfully ambitious in terms of the storytelling but I feel like isnt giving enough attention to the viewers experience. With one half hour episode left it seems like this is one of those cases where they’re trying to stretch out the book source material and end this on a cliffhanger and we won’t find baby Bryan and I am going to find that upsetting.
The scene with Brian and Lily Ann at their picnic was the most chilling scene. Brian would smile while making dark comments and coming off like he was joking. I think someone is more scarier when they tell you how they are feeling and their motives in a playful tone than if they were serious.
This episode completely lost me or either it makes my brain hurt. I think it was put together eloquently but I constantly found myself lost trying to tie every little thing to the other episodes. But this is what I could gather: Brian was hella abusive, Is Brian really Apollo’s father? (I dont think so - Apollo is 100% black not bi-racial, now Emma on the other side is for sure bi-racial). So did Lillian get pregnant by her boss maybe before she and Brian got together, and thats the mistake? Does Brian THINK that Apollo is his or realizes that hes not and tries to drown him? Was Apollo really killed by Brian and Lillian made a deal w/ another world to exchange Apollo for a Changeling and indeed Apollo is a changeling?? Really Lost - but I love your review
As soon as it was implied that Brian might not be his father, i instantly thought that's why he don't look mixed. However it is peculiar that younger Apollo is lighter. Maybe they did this casting to throw us off.
I want to add that there are many variations of what you can look like as someone who is mixed or biracial. There are people who look phenotypically One race and still be BIRACIAL. The first biracial bachelor from the show The bachelor is a good example of that
@@deej5608 gotcha and true I’m more pointing out the 100% as NOT Brian’s child and in the movie/show casting world they would have cast someone who actually looked biracial vs relying on the degree in which one presents as biracial I do think this was intentional to throw you off but then the reveal confirmed what many thought when they saw Apollo as being the offspring of Lilian and Brian If you follow what I’m saying :)
I think she was being sexually harassed by her boss and slept with him to keep her job. Remember he insisted she come work every Saturday and she has to leave Apollo home alone. I noticed too she wore the gold sequined dress the trans guest who was found deceased was wearing. I liked the episode. Very artistic.
i *LOVED* this episode. I agree that it didn't do much to advance the plot of the rest of the story, but I felt so inside of Lillian's world, that I didn't feel a strong need to know what the next part of apollo's story was going to be. I did red the book after watching the first episode of the show, so that might also be why I'm not super thirsty to just know how things turn out. This episode was so masterfully done by all parties involved and felt like the best episode of the series by a long mile. I lowkey could stay in Lillian's story, because they did something really magical here, and I kinda feel like it might be because this was the one episode that wasn't taken as much from the source material?
Yeah from a creative point of view and a stylistic standpoint it was beautiful. Arguably one of the most well directed pieces of TV this third quarter so far. But yeah I’m terms of developing the story it’s hard to see it’s importance!
I think that is why I did not like it. It did not advance it much at all and the big reveal in my opinion was not too thrilling. To me it’s the weakest episode in the series so far. Previously I had episode 2 as the weakest.
@@blankname6629 yeah the main critiques seem to relate to it not tying in to the rest of the series. i didn't mind it, but every episode a lot of ppl seem keyed in on trying to figure out what's going on so that seems to overshadow a lot of the other parts of the show
I enjoyed this episode. While it is difficult to process we have to remember The Changeling is a fairy tale and as such there will be lots of fantastical elements to its storytelling. I appreciated the use of allegory to tell Lillian's perspective. It is so rare that we see a black woman's innermost feelings and action explored in depth. I realize this could be challenging for some but it was worth it. It's also an episode that may require multiple viewing to see what the showrunner and author are telling us. Stretch your mind, it's ok❤ I agree with you that we will see at least one more season to complete the story. Thx again.
It’s rare? How so? Black adult women make up about 3.5% of the entire population of the United States. I would say that they are far and away overrepresented in the media, in pop culture, in everything really. Black females, including children, make up 6% of the population, yet they demand to be 50% or more of everything. Don’t believe me? Just watch a tv show or a movie or commercials today. Blacks are so overrepresented in them yet they still claim they are oppressed.
Charles is the father and is the secret Brian helped her cover up unknowingly. It’s why she said yes to Brian after he pursued her for 9 years. She made him think he was the father.
@@PRHousequake she had already knew and slept with him in 1977 or whatever at that elk hotel and at the end it showed the ledger with her name and Charles from that year. Plus the receipt was found later by Brian. Immediately after getting pregnant she said ok to Brian in hopes of making him think he was the father. She went to work for Charles after. It’s all kind of crazy confusing. The whole episode was in riddles it seems.
Think. She just got fired and in that time, how can she get a job that soon. She must’ve known Charles before she met Brian. She didn’t love Brian remember? She just needed him
I enjoy every episode of this show but I definitely needed this video for this episode . I gathered that Brian was abusive but unless he knew for sure Brian wasn’t his, why would he spend all that time saying he wanted to be a good father just to kill his child ? And I really thought Lillian left Brian before Brian started showing up at the apartment. But again, at this point people could be jumping through time. 😅 I probably should just read the book
Ok so all of this is Lilian's fault? That's why Emma went to the Amazon forest to be granted 3 wishes and Apollo thinks he's more powerful than that witch? Is all the magic/sacrifice connected? Is baby Brian alive but trapped? Why would he be alive but not the other children killed by their mothers? Is he special because his father is a changeling or Emma just crazy like her momma? Did the library not notice the missing books? Is this a Norwegian fairytale? Why did William kill his daughter? This my 3rd breakdown video
@ 6:20 PREACH!! Trying to be "too clever for its own good"! Exactly. I was so in through episode 4...the last 3 have been us going nowhere, backwards in way that doesn't push us forward very far, then farther backwards in a way that is so confusing, I dont know which way it pushed us.
Yeah it’s difficult isn’t it! I love slow burners and having to guess, but at times it feels like we don’t get rewarded as viewers with the answers! That’s why I’ve got high hopes for the season finale. But I’m definitely betting on there being a cliffhanger which will lead to season 2!
@@bleuhernandez7941 She got away with the murder because she made a deal , but what also confused me is she said her husband couldn't keep a job then she said he was a cop. If he was fired from the force and she was married to a police officer so she would have been a legal citizen. Doubting fully someone here without the proper paperwork would be at a NYPD ball. Ellis Island was where people applied for asylum or immigration papers. So nothing actually makes much sense. It felt a bit propagandaish at times.
I really did not like this episode in the context of how it didn’t progress the Apollo and Emma storyline. I felt like it was over ambitious to have such a standalone episode that was so metaphoric at this stage of the season. For me maybe this episode would have worked earlier or if it was broken up and shown in parallel with Apollo and Emma scenes. I always have a difficult time when secondary characters get full episodes but the audience has to figure out every single scene. I was completely exhausted by the end. I usually rewatch episodes but I think I’ll pass on this one.
This episode was the longest turn-off. At first, the mystery and the change of style were interesting, but quickly, I kept saying "what?!" after nearly each line of dialogue or monologue. I've just spent 1 hour in confusion, and I still feel like "hey, I need to catch up on The Changeling.""
Does anyone else think the transgender person found in a sparkly dress might actually be Brian West. In the scene where Lillian was talking to the “devil” the narrator says the answer was in front of her the whole time and she went directly to the suitcase with the sparkly dress…
Late to the party. I disliked this episode because of Brian's character assassination. I have an issue with how Brian was eventually shown to be trying to drown Apollo. It just came out of left field. If he had doubts that Apollo was not his son, he would not have spent that much time with him. Due to this, it raises more questions than answers, such as how Apollo got those books. His mother's occupation is getting fired, etc. I loved the show initially, but now it is something else. I used to be excited about the upcoming episodes, but the last two, where we changed POV from Apollo, did it for me. We are already trying to piece his story together, and now we have two other characters to follow who are as unreliable as Apollo regarding what happens in the story. I think after the last episode, I will move on.
This episode pissed me off. I’ve read the book and the show was doing a perfect job of adapting it into show until episode 6 and 7. (Spoilers ahea) We don’t get to see when kindergarten and his army start destroying the wise ones and throwing entire trees at their boat. Don’t get to see Patrice and Apollo go to the cemetery and dig up “Brian” only to find that his Brian really was just an illusion, and was really just a bundle of hair and teeth and flesh, proving to him once and for all that his wife’s crazy erratic behavior was justified the whole time, and he’s appalled that he actually held and loved and fed such a gross disgusting monster illusion that wasn’t a baby, as Emma said. Now why would they waste two episodes on the shit they did, and not on the story I just explained?
I enjoyed the theater transitions but not the storytelling and editing. I felt it missed its mark until the young/old Lilly interaction. I'll have to watch it all again to really catch the dialog. The sick Brian scene was just too abstract to understand. The Lena Horne references etc. I did, however, understood that Apollo and Lilly were victims of different types of abuse from Brian. Apollo is not Brian’s son. If this is the case and Lilly sent Brian swimming with the fishes, who sent the box and the things to older teenage Apollo? Charles or some other mysterious being? That part is interesting. All that being said, Lilly obviously feels her decisions led to Apollos situation. Maybe it did… the book is the breadcrumb I believe.
The Lillian character, in the last episode, also revealed some disturbing themes. An unlikely one being the looming danger of her not fully enjoying her youthful days and her social restrictions during her younger days manifested in the form of being trapped in a marriage and being a mother. So much so that she started to live for Apollo and her husband. And soon forgot about her dreams
I hate it that this is the second to the last episode and they have completely wasted our time with crap we didn't need to see. They could have shown that she killed the man in 5 minutes and got back to the story about emma and the main character guy.. I didn't even like the episode that focus on Emma because it's so vague and doesn't give up any new information to this mystery how are they going to solve everything by 1 episode next Friday? Will they really stick it to/slapping the audience in the face and leave on a cliffhanger and then probably not even get renewed for a new season?. If we have to wait a whole year to understand more of what's going on I'm going to be so disappointed this should be a one-and-done series... . Is kindergarten a troll or not and did he interact with his mom in the past? I couldn't tell if that was him or not.. needless to say this last episode really annoyed and aggravated me.. slow paced with barely telling us anyting involved with the mystery. Other than the one reveal of her being a terrible cheater and murderer and horrible criminal that should be in prison.. . All the women in the show are batshit insane witches. Happy Halloween 👻🎃
I’m one of those people that hated this episode . It was so boring and confusing that I’m not even sure I care anymore. I’ll watch the last episode but if there’s a second season then I’m not tuning in for it I wish I had passed on this series all together.
That's a shame! It's definitely tried to be too clever for it's own good and I think that's come at it's own determent. As we've not been rewarded with many answers at all!
Yeah they new a new direction. Like they to choose to be good scary and consistent. I feel like they trying too hard to be a A24 deep horror/drama thriller
I loved the episode. Both women who played younger and present-day mother were amazing and deserve all of the awards. I don't think she did have an affair because if she did she would have had that weekend off and she wouldn't have had to work and leave Apollo by himself. Remember that was something that was very important for her and by the time he was already asking her for an affair Apollo was already born. I know people look at him and don't see someone who's biracial however there are some people who phenotypically look One race and end up being biracial it's possible. I was taken to another world. I LOVED THAT EPISODE
It was distracting with Lilly looking like Billy Porter. It added to the confusion of this all over the place show. They packed too much into this last episode and lost their audience. I have so many questions: If baby Brian was buried, why is the mother looking for him. Why did the parents on the island children die. What's the connection. Apollo son and father both named Brian. If his father was in the suitcase, why didn't they show the mother cutting him up and stuffing him inside. What's the story about William and the monster. What was the third wish. I've lost interest and will shut it down right here
This episode actually pointed out how women can be vindictive and she was actually in the wrong in the first place and Brian was not making things up she was cheating and he wasn’t abusive if you pay attention everything was OK until he found evidence of her cheating he was only wrong in her head knowing he was right all along and he really loved his son when he found out Apollo wasn’t his son that’s when he tried to kill him now Apollo have to deal with a generational curse his mother put on him
Ehh , yes and no , Apollo was 4 , he didn't deserve that. She was wrong for cheating, and lying about him , but I can't justify attempting murdering the 4 year old.
You people are not getting the point I’m trying to make Apollo didn’t deserve any thing that happened to him but his mom is the reason the husband went crazy and did what he did leaving him alone for hours at that age to go be around her boss she literally killed her husband mentally before she killed him physically because she know how much he loved her and Apollo and she took all that away from him and he snapped none of it would have never happened if she didn’t do what she did now her demon is coming to hunt her and as a grown Apollo have to suffer because of her and face her demons because of the choices she made
I wasn’t thrilled with this episode but I’m loyal and I respect them trying new things. Original content that doesn’t quite land will always be better than the same boring crap other writers give us
The ending Brian sequence was WAY TOO confusing and CONVOLUTED. One Commentator asserted that the dying guy was Brian, which means that Brian was gay. Who cares? It was OBVIOUS from Episode 1 that Charles Blackwood is Apollo's father. "Lillian's first child was conceived in the beautiful blur of 1977." This voiceover statement was made in the first episode, and repeated in episode 7. The statement does not indicate: "Lillian and Brian's first child was conceived in 1977," which is more precise. Therefore, there was immediate doubt planted regarding the father of Lillian's child. Most important, however, is the reality that Apollo does not appear to be EVEN REMOTELY, bi-racial. I did not like the final episodes. This may be because I am not a fan of Sci-Fi or Horror film genres. However, I admire the performers and production. In fact, I only watched the first 8 episodes because I know some of the performers and producers. I will not be returning for the continuing episodes. Not my cup of tea.
Too many riddles, I get the theatre concept and the strory of the mother and the fact that the episode is a masterpiece, but it was boring I was just expecting to see Apollo and hoping that it unfolds normally but I guess the next episodes will be much better, great series over all.
This Episode was super pretentious. I can appreciate abstract/artsy but this episode didn’t explain anything, presented some interesting themes, but explored none of them.
@@BrainPilotI very rarely like episodes that don’t move the plot along. This definitely falls into that category. A woman sitting in a room speaking nonsense to herself for most of an episode is boring. This is the weakest episode of the season
This is definitely going to be a divisive episode! What did you think of the penultimate episode of the season? From a creative and stylistic point of view I thought it was awesome and it genuinely felt like we were watching a theatre production! But I don't know if it did a good job at setting up the finale... Comment your thoughts below!
Kind of a malignant narcissist using gas lighting keeping her off balance. Did he say that?
Episode 7 was a COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. GET TO THE POINT, already. An entire episode was not needed to reveal Apollo's real dad or Brian's murder by Lillian. GET ON with it, already. I've already lost interest. 🤦♀ And, what's the point of the seedy hotel, exactly, and the dude dying of AIDS? None. No point. A waste of time.
The ending Brian sequence was WAY TOO confusing and CONVOLUTED. One Commentator asserted that the dying guy was Brian, which means that Brian was gay. Who cares?
It was OBVIOUS from Episode 1 that Charles Blackwood is Apollo's father. "Lillian's first child was conceived in the beautiful blur of 1977." This voiceover statement was made in the first episode, and repeated in episode 7. The statement does not indicate: "Lillian and Brian's first child was conceived in 1977," which is more precise. Therefore, there was immediate doubt planted regarding the father of Lillian's child.
Most important, however, is the reality that Apollo does not appear to be EVEN REMOTELY, bi-racial.
I did not like the final episodes. This may be because I am not a fan of Sci-Fi or Horror film genres. However, I admire the performers and production. In fact, I only watched the first 8 episodes because I know some of the performers and producers.
I will not be returning for the continuing episodes. Not my cup of tea.
People in the comments…there is no indication to me that Brian was not Apollos father. If she had the affair with the boss she would not have had to work Saturdays and leave her child alone. Lots of Black biracial people don’t appear stereotypically biracial and lots of Black children are lighter as children and get darker as they grow older. Brian was a malignant narcissist clearly, he was abusive, and I could see someone like that harming their child.
I thought this episode was quite beautiful and artistic and brilliantly directed and acted and once I accepted that the whole episode was Lillian’s story I was able to settle in and enjoy it but to make it this long and so close to the end when people are wanting to get some other questions answered is a strange choice to me. And every movement so drawn out like her putting things one by one in a suitcase. It was not a big revelation to me that she killed Brian I’ve known that from the second it was clear he came to the apartment to harm her child. That’s a mothers instinct. The fact that Apollo has survived whatever was going on when she saw that smoke under the door and Bryan was nowhere to be found plus the scene of her throwing a suitcase in the water had already suggested that. Why so much time given to this storyline while Cal keeps talking in riddles about what happens to the doggone babies.
This show has a lot of individually beautiful and fascinating and interesting pieces but tonally and structurally and storytelling wise it’s incoherent and frustrating I don’t feel like I’m enjoying it all enough to make up for sitting through a baby being boiled alive three episodes in. The show set out to do something wonderfully ambitious in terms of the storytelling but I feel like isnt giving enough attention to the viewers experience.
With one half hour episode left it seems like this is one of those cases where they’re trying to stretch out the book source material and end this on a cliffhanger and we won’t find baby Bryan and I am going to find that upsetting.
The scene with Brian and Lily Ann at their picnic was the most chilling scene. Brian would smile while making dark comments and coming off like he was joking. I think someone is more scarier when they tell you how they are feeling and their motives in a playful tone than if they were serious.
Yeah I totally get that! That was such a dark moment for sure!
That scene absolutely horrified me.
@@SaynaTheSpiffy Yes, that scene gave me chills.
Give Adina Porter all the awards.
She is amazing.
No matter what you think about this episode, you have to agree, she is acting her butt off
Yeah she did carry this episode, literally!
This episode felt like a stage play theatre situation and I appreciated it
Yeah stylistically it was great!
This episode completely lost me or either it makes my brain hurt. I think it was put together eloquently but I constantly found myself lost trying to tie every little thing to the other episodes. But this is what I could gather: Brian was hella abusive, Is Brian really Apollo’s father? (I dont think so - Apollo is 100% black not bi-racial, now Emma on the other side is for sure bi-racial). So did Lillian get pregnant by her boss maybe before she and Brian got together, and thats the mistake? Does Brian THINK that Apollo is his or realizes that hes not and tries to drown him? Was Apollo really killed by Brian and Lillian made a deal w/ another world to exchange Apollo for a Changeling and indeed Apollo is a changeling?? Really Lost - but I love your review
As soon as it was implied that Brian might not be his father, i instantly thought that's why he don't look mixed. However it is peculiar that younger Apollo is lighter. Maybe they did this casting to throw us off.
I want to add that there are many variations of what you can look like as someone who is mixed or biracial. There are people who look phenotypically One race and still be BIRACIAL. The first biracial bachelor from the show The bachelor is a good example of that
@@deej5608 gotcha and true I’m more pointing out the 100% as NOT Brian’s child and in the movie/show casting world they would have cast someone who actually looked biracial vs relying on the degree in which one presents as biracial
I do think this was intentional to throw you off but then the reveal confirmed what many thought when they saw Apollo as being the offspring of Lilian and Brian
If you follow what I’m saying :)
@@BFFwithCrystal GOOD POINT
I think she was being sexually harassed by her boss and slept with him to keep her job. Remember he insisted she come work every Saturday and she has to leave Apollo home alone. I noticed too she wore the gold sequined dress the trans guest who was found deceased was wearing. I liked the episode. Very artistic.
Yes but Apollo was already born so it couldn't have been his son
Also that explains why Apollo lasted so long underwater when the witches tried to drown him. He’s been drowned before.
That's a good spot!
i *LOVED* this episode. I agree that it didn't do much to advance the plot of the rest of the story, but I felt so inside of Lillian's world, that I didn't feel a strong need to know what the next part of apollo's story was going to be. I did red the book after watching the first episode of the show, so that might also be why I'm not super thirsty to just know how things turn out.
This episode was so masterfully done by all parties involved and felt like the best episode of the series by a long mile. I lowkey could stay in Lillian's story, because they did something really magical here, and I kinda feel like it might be because this was the one episode that wasn't taken as much from the source material?
Yeah from a creative point of view and a stylistic standpoint it was beautiful. Arguably one of the most well directed pieces of TV this third quarter so far. But yeah I’m terms of developing the story it’s hard to see it’s importance!
I think that is why I did not like it. It did not advance it much at all and the big reveal in my opinion was not too thrilling. To me it’s the weakest episode in the series so far. Previously I had episode 2 as the weakest.
@@blankname6629 yeah the main critiques seem to relate to it not tying in to the rest of the series. i didn't mind it, but every episode a lot of ppl seem keyed in on trying to figure out what's going on so that seems to overshadow a lot of the other parts of the show
I enjoyed this episode. While it is difficult to process we have to remember The Changeling is a fairy tale and as such there will be lots of fantastical elements to its storytelling. I appreciated the use of allegory to tell Lillian's perspective. It is so rare that we see a black woman's innermost feelings and action explored in depth. I realize this could be challenging for some but it was worth it. It's also an episode that may require multiple viewing to see what the showrunner and author are telling us. Stretch your mind, it's ok❤ I agree with you that we will see at least one more season to complete the story. Thx again.
It’s rare? How so? Black adult women make up about 3.5% of the entire population of the United States. I would say that they are far and away overrepresented in the media, in pop culture, in everything really. Black females, including children, make up 6% of the population, yet they demand to be 50% or more of everything. Don’t believe me? Just watch a tv show or a movie or commercials today. Blacks are so overrepresented in them yet they still claim they are oppressed.
Charles is the father and is the secret Brian helped her cover up unknowingly. It’s why she said yes to Brian after he pursued her for 9 years. She made him think he was the father.
But wasn’t Apollo already born when she went to work for that guy?
@@PRHousequake she had already knew and slept with him in 1977 or whatever at that elk hotel and at the end it showed the ledger with her name and Charles from that year. Plus the receipt was found later by Brian. Immediately after getting pregnant she said ok to Brian in hopes of making him think he was the father. She went to work for Charles after. It’s all kind of crazy confusing. The whole episode was in riddles it seems.
@@s.r.h.3554 omg!!! I’m going to have to watch episodes 1-7 again😱🤣♥️
@@PRHousequake same here!! 😆
Think. She just got fired and in that time, how can she get a job that soon. She must’ve known Charles before she met Brian. She didn’t love Brian remember? She just needed him
Adina Porter was fantastic in this episode
Yeah she was!
It just felt like a different series, not bad just to different from the vibe the first few episodes had.
Yeah that’s true
I enjoy every episode of this show but I definitely needed this video for this episode . I gathered that Brian was abusive but unless he knew for sure Brian wasn’t his, why would he spend all that time saying he wanted to be a good father just to kill his child ? And I really thought Lillian left Brian before Brian started showing up at the apartment. But again, at this point people could be jumping through time. 😅 I probably should just read the book
Yes i thought the same, that she had long left Brian at that point.
Ok so all of this is Lilian's fault? That's why Emma went to the Amazon forest to be granted 3 wishes and Apollo thinks he's more powerful than that witch? Is all the magic/sacrifice connected? Is baby Brian alive but trapped? Why would he be alive but not the other children killed by their mothers? Is he special because his father is a changeling or Emma just crazy like her momma? Did the library not notice the missing books? Is this a Norwegian fairytale? Why did William kill his daughter? This my 3rd breakdown video
@ 6:20 PREACH!! Trying to be "too clever for its own good"! Exactly. I was so in through episode 4...the last 3 have been us going nowhere, backwards in way that doesn't push us forward very far, then farther backwards in a way that is so confusing, I dont know which way it pushed us.
Yeah it’s difficult isn’t it! I love slow burners and having to guess, but at times it feels like we don’t get rewarded as viewers with the answers! That’s why I’ve got high hopes for the season finale. But I’m definitely betting on there being a cliffhanger which will lead to season 2!
Well we do know now Lillian's deal is why Brian was a changeling.
@@kristingallo2158 we don’t know that! Could be from Apollo cutting the string
@@bleuhernandez7941 literally the entire point of the episode was how she made a deal with the gods.
@@bleuhernandez7941 She got away with the murder because she made a deal , but what also confused me is she said her husband couldn't keep a job then she said he was a cop. If he was fired from the force and she was married to a police officer so she would have been a legal citizen. Doubting fully someone here without the proper paperwork would be at a NYPD ball. Ellis Island was where people applied for asylum or immigration papers. So nothing actually makes much sense. It felt a bit propagandaish at times.
I really did not like this episode in the context of how it didn’t progress the Apollo and Emma storyline. I felt like it was over ambitious to have such a standalone episode that was so metaphoric at this stage of the season. For me maybe this episode would have worked earlier or if it was broken up and shown in parallel with Apollo and Emma scenes. I always have a difficult time when secondary characters get full episodes but the audience has to figure out every single scene. I was completely exhausted by the end. I usually rewatch episodes but I think I’ll pass on this one.
Mas se vc observar o narrador sempre fala que o conto de fadas começou ali.... ainda acho que tudo isso vai repercurtir mais tarde
Dude Lillian comforts is also ultimately portrayed in a tub. Which is where Brian attempted to take Apollo's life when Apollo was a child.
This episode was the longest turn-off. At first, the mystery and the change of style were interesting, but quickly, I kept saying "what?!" after nearly each line of dialogue or monologue.
I've just spent 1 hour in confusion, and I still feel like "hey, I need to catch up on The Changeling.""
Yeah that seems to be one of the biggest issues that many other viewers feel too!
I finished watching the episode and I am so confused. Thanks for your videos on some of my favourite shows.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
I dont think charles is the father. Apollo was already 3 years old when she started having the affair to keep her job.
Does anyone else think the transgender person found in a sparkly dress might actually be Brian West. In the scene where Lillian was talking to the “devil” the narrator says the answer was in front of her the whole time and she went directly to the suitcase with the sparkly dress…
Late to the party. I disliked this episode because of Brian's character assassination. I have an issue with how Brian was eventually shown to be trying to drown Apollo. It just came out of left field. If he had doubts that Apollo was not his son, he would not have spent that much time with him. Due to this, it raises more questions than answers, such as how Apollo got those books. His mother's occupation is getting fired, etc. I loved the show initially, but now it is something else. I used to be excited about the upcoming episodes, but the last two, where we changed POV from Apollo, did it for me. We are already trying to piece his story together, and now we have two other characters to follow who are as unreliable as Apollo regarding what happens in the story. I think after the last episode, I will move on.
This episode pissed me off. I’ve read the book and the show was doing a perfect job of adapting it into show until episode 6 and 7. (Spoilers ahea)
We don’t get to see when kindergarten and his army start destroying the wise ones and throwing entire trees at their boat. Don’t get to see Patrice and Apollo go to the cemetery and dig up “Brian” only to find that his Brian really was just an illusion, and was really just a bundle of hair and teeth and flesh, proving to him once and for all that his wife’s crazy erratic behavior was justified the whole time, and he’s appalled that he actually held and loved and fed such a gross disgusting monster illusion that wasn’t a baby, as Emma said. Now why would they waste two episodes on the shit they did, and not on the story I just explained?
I enjoyed the theater transitions but not the storytelling and editing. I felt it missed its mark until the young/old Lilly interaction. I'll have to watch it all again to really catch the dialog. The sick Brian scene was just too abstract to understand. The Lena Horne references etc. I did, however, understood that Apollo and Lilly were victims of different types of abuse from Brian. Apollo is not Brian’s son. If this is the case and Lilly sent Brian swimming with the fishes, who sent the box and the things to older teenage Apollo? Charles or some other mysterious being? That part is interesting. All that being said, Lilly obviously feels her decisions led to Apollos situation. Maybe it did… the book is the breadcrumb I believe.
Have definitely been enjoying the season, but really worried about this story pacing with only 1 episode left and it being the shortest of the season.
You and me both! I think more will be revealed in season 2 to be honest!
Why am I the only person to ask: "why was William in this episode"? Is William now everywhere? I mean WTF!
Hated this ep 😅
Definitely a divisive one lol
The Lillian character, in the last episode, also revealed some disturbing themes. An unlikely one being the looming danger of her not fully enjoying her youthful days and her social restrictions during her younger days manifested in the form of being trapped in a marriage and being a mother. So much so that she started to live for Apollo and her husband. And soon forgot about her dreams
I hate it that this is the second to the last episode and they have completely wasted our time with crap we didn't need to see. They could have shown that she killed the man in 5 minutes and got back to the story about emma and the main character guy.. I didn't even like the episode that focus on Emma because it's so vague and doesn't give up any new information to this mystery how are they going to solve everything by 1 episode next Friday? Will they really stick it to/slapping the audience in the face and leave on a cliffhanger and then probably not even get renewed for a new season?. If we have to wait a whole year to understand more of what's going on I'm going to be so disappointed this should be a one-and-done series... . Is kindergarten a troll or not and did he interact with his mom in the past? I couldn't tell if that was him or not.. needless to say this last episode really annoyed and aggravated me.. slow paced with barely telling us anyting involved with the mystery. Other than the one reveal of her being a terrible cheater and murderer and horrible criminal that should be in prison.. . All the women in the show are batshit insane witches. Happy Halloween 👻🎃
I’m one of those people that hated this episode . It was so boring and confusing that I’m not even sure I care anymore. I’ll watch the last episode but if there’s a second season then I’m not tuning in for it I wish I had passed on this series all together.
That's a shame! It's definitely tried to be too clever for it's own good and I think that's come at it's own determent. As we've not been rewarded with many answers at all!
I was confused I stop 30 min in and came here
Lol, it was definitely one of the most confusing eps! Which is surprising to say as because many of them have been confusing!
If she saved Apollo from Brian drowning him, why did she leave alone? Where was Apollo?
Absolutely hated this episode. Grateful for your breakdown
I agree with your review
Yeah they new a new direction. Like they to choose to be good scary and consistent. I feel like they trying too hard to be a A24 deep horror/drama thriller
Great review
Thanks!
I loved the episode. Both women who played younger and present-day mother were amazing and deserve all of the awards. I don't think she did have an affair because if she did she would have had that weekend off and she wouldn't have had to work and leave Apollo by himself. Remember that was something that was very important for her and by the time he was already asking her for an affair Apollo was already born. I know people look at him and don't see someone who's biracial however there are some people who phenotypically look One race and end up being biracial it's possible. I was taken to another world. I LOVED THAT EPISODE
It was a divisive episode but from an artistic standpoint it was amazing to watch! Just not the best at connecting the story!
@@BrainPilot very true but it really was amazing and top-tier especially for what you would call in my opinion a filler episode.
It was distracting with Lilly looking like Billy Porter. It added to the confusion of this all over the place show. They packed too much into this last episode and lost their audience. I have so many questions: If baby Brian was buried, why is the mother looking for him. Why did the parents on the island children die. What's the connection. Apollo son and father both named Brian. If his father was in the suitcase, why didn't they show the mother cutting him up and stuffing him inside. What's the story about William and the monster. What was the third wish. I've lost interest and will shut it down right here
This episode actually pointed out how women can be vindictive and she was actually in the wrong in the first place and Brian was not making things up she was cheating and he wasn’t abusive if you pay attention everything was OK until he found evidence of her cheating he was only wrong in her head knowing he was right all along and he really loved his son when he found out Apollo wasn’t his son that’s when he tried to kill him now Apollo have to deal with a generational curse his mother put on him
Ehh , yes and no , Apollo was 4 , he didn't deserve that. She was wrong for cheating, and lying about him , but I can't justify attempting murdering the 4 year old.
Cheating is a reason to leave someone. Not a justification for becoming abusive towards them or a child in retaliation.
You people are not getting the point I’m trying to make Apollo didn’t deserve any thing that happened to him but his mom is the reason the husband went crazy and did what he did leaving him alone for hours at that age to go be around her boss she literally killed her husband mentally before she killed him physically because she know how much he loved her and Apollo and she took all that away from him and he snapped none of it would have never happened if she didn’t do what she did now her demon is coming to hunt her and as a grown Apollo have to suffer because of her and face her demons because of the choices she made
It's all but explicitly stated that the boss is Apollo's biological father. I don't think there's any other interpretation that really makes sense.
This episode was not done well I didn’t like it at all. But your explanation was great. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed the vid 👊
I wasn’t thrilled with this episode but I’m loyal and I respect them trying new things. Original content that doesn’t quite land will always be better than the same boring crap other writers give us
Yeah I bet that! It’s going to be interesting to see what happens in the finale!
Thanks for the explanation. Was very hard for me to watch it complete. Maybe I´m dumb. So it´s time for sponge bob now.🤔
The ending Brian sequence was WAY TOO confusing and CONVOLUTED. One Commentator asserted that the dying guy was Brian, which means that Brian was gay. Who cares?
It was OBVIOUS from Episode 1 that Charles Blackwood is Apollo's father. "Lillian's first child was conceived in the beautiful blur of 1977." This voiceover statement was made in the first episode, and repeated in episode 7. The statement does not indicate: "Lillian and Brian's first child was conceived in 1977," which is more precise. Therefore, there was immediate doubt planted regarding the father of Lillian's child.
Most important, however, is the reality that Apollo does not appear to be EVEN REMOTELY, bi-racial.
I did not like the final episodes. This may be because I am not a fan of Sci-Fi or Horror film genres. However, I admire the performers and production. In fact, I only watched the first 8 episodes because I know some of the performers and producers.
I will not be returning for the continuing episodes. Not my cup of tea.
Brian felt like he was Curtis from "Top Boy", the actor did a great job! The episode was .... meh.
I say again WTF IS GOING ON
Loool!
@@BrainPilotthis show gets more weird and confusing by the week I watch you and think story to get some understanding and a m still confused
Too many riddles, I get the theatre concept and the strory of the mother and the fact that the episode is a masterpiece, but it was boring I was just expecting to see Apollo and hoping that it unfolds normally but I guess the next episodes will be much better, great series over all.
Yeah there were tons of riddles weren't there! I think it will go back to normal next week!
The father is Charles.
Yeah I think that too!
What is a letterbox?
There had to be a less confusing way to do this episode
Haha, you'd think so lol
@@BrainPilot very grateful for all the breakdown videos you put out helping me better understand some of my favorite shows!
Filled in a lot of backstory but this was the worst episode so far.
Made me kind of lose interest but still love the show, can’t wait to see how it ends
Yeah it's definitely going to be interesting!
Apollo too black to me mixed lol I’m black
You could skip this episode because this one sucked.
It's defintiely a stand alone. I'm intrigued to see how it ties into the finale!
This Episode was super pretentious. I can appreciate abstract/artsy but this episode didn’t explain anything, presented some interesting themes, but explored none of them.
Yeah it definitely felt like a stand alone episode!
Hated it
Yeah I feel it’s a divisive one for sure!
@@BrainPilotI very rarely like episodes that don’t move the plot along. This definitely falls into that category. A woman sitting in a room speaking nonsense to herself for most of an episode is boring. This is the weakest episode of the season
Hated it 🫰
Oh no! Definitely divisive!