The best part of Goodberry is it gives you a mechanism to talk about hit points in character. "How many Druid's magic berries hurt are you?" "I think about 23 berries would completely heal all my wounds right now."
@@healexhelixvideos4680 its a game and hp matters, we should freely talk about hp anyway. pretending like we don't have hp or don't know our hp is just stupid.
@@minionofhavoc7266 it’s nice but then you lose the benefit of using it to raise up to 3 unconscious people in battle with it. Pros and cons haha. I like that combo better with death ward personally
Fun fact: If you use your downtime slots above 1st level for Goodberries, Disciple of Life will also make those berries heal more as it scales on the slot level.
"Use minor illusion to create lava" The lava: can't create light and is a perfectly still image because minor illusion has restrictions The enemy: what is that?
minor illusion that they are petrified (creating an illusion of a perfectly still statue slightly larger than they are), doesnt need sound, they dont move when unconscious and you are still using only creating an object (statues of people are in fact, objects).
@@DrApylon * petrifies friend with "accidental magic" * "O no, not again" Anyway it's probably a better idea, until the enemy tries to break the statues..
I... I never considered using Aid to bring up an unconscious ally, nor multi-classing druid/cleric for a Goodberry combo... *makes mental note not to underestimate Tiamat's chosen Kobold*
No discussion of Revivify is complete without an honorable mention of Gentle Repose. Delivering Gentle Repose by way of familiar (if downded character is dead and out of reach by Revivify caster) can save dead low level party members until finding a source of Revivify. Practically infinitely if recast within 10 day intervals.
Gentle repose can also be used to avoid food waste. The spell only specifies "a corpse or other remains". Which means _it keeps meat fresh._ You can kill a dragon and store tons of its meat in various Bags of Holding and keep Gentle Respose'ing the meat to keep it edible indefinitely. You can eat, or sell, this rare delicacy without wasting a single scrap! (Might count as an act of evil though since dragons are intelligent, but really, it's already dead and it's not like you killed it _just_ to get the meat, right? I mean, it's a dragon, it was probably a quest to kill the thing because it was terrorizing villagers or something.)
@@DrApylon I checked, and double checked, and then checked the warlock just to be sure and you are actually right. You can convert any slot, not just those gained from the sorcerer class, and warlock slots have no property that makes them not count as just "spell slots". This is bigger than goodberry though, you are describing a system that lets you convert remaining warlock slots into sorcery points every short rest, and the points lasts untill your next long rest, and while you can't have more sorcery points than your sorcerer level, you can have potentially infinite magical energy by making slots using the same feature. There is a large conversion cost, ao it won't be that groundbreaking, but honestly this is really cool, I'm making a sorcelock right away!
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 coffeelock basics are you never take long rests (reborn/warforged are easiest since they don’t need sleep, though elves can work too, but exhaustion might still get you) you get lvl 2 warlock to get the generation slots (2 lvl 2 slots is 4 sorcery points per short rest essentially) you then use sorcerer to convert said sorcery points into any spell slots of 5th or lower, those slot don’t go away until you take a long rest. So as long as you only take short rests, you can continue to build more and more spell slots of 5th level or lower. Enjoy phenomenal cosmic power
@@DrApylon Yeah I just disspaired and did the work myself. First I want to point out that the only rules for exhaustion are in xanathars and why the rule talks about rests, it also specifiea that it's there to deal with sleep deprevision, aomethin an elf would be able to ignore if they get thwir 4hrs. Ideally you get tome at 5th and go aspect of the moon though, to have all 8 hours free while the party rests The cool upahot is that if your tomelock 3 sorc 2 character spends 7 of those hours short resting converting each slot to points then 1st level slots, you can get 14 1st level slota that stay untill you finnish a long rest, but you will never finnish a long rest, just get cure wounds to make up for the hitpoint defecit and you can have ynlimited spell slots. I half-did the math, and this 5th level build can have way over 100 1st level slots with a week of downtime. At 7war/7sorc you can make a 5th level slot per short rest, or 4 1st level slots, as well as options in-between, Letting you have the most broken build concevable. Now the 3rd level phb only verion with an elf only guarantees 3 slots per long rest, and a gaining rat of 1 slot per hour of waking dt, but there still isn't a limit, so give it a week and you have dozens of spell slots. Nevermind goodberry, you can hand out cure wounds castings like they were goodberry, and never even have to tap into your "real" spell slots. The 5th level version (tomelock3/sorc2), if you pick the celestial patron for healing spells, also leaves you at 12 cantrips, of which 3 can be from any class, and this build hardly needs cantrips as it can use 1st level spells as if they were free.
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 generally the build really comes online with a race that naturally doesnt suffer exhaustion from a lack of sleep so you can spam chained short rests during long rests. Otherwise you need Greater Restoration, prior to this its still very good as you can use excess warlock slots as sorcery point regen during short rests and just utilize more metamagic. But you dont want to invest too much into warlock as warlock spell progression doesnt continue to improve your spell slots, it also prevents you from getting access to more spells/feats/ASIs. Generally Warlock multiclassing works best when splashing either warlock or other classes.
Surprised you didn’t mention aura of vitality. Now that clerics have it. You can concentrate on having at will healing word and it heals for the same average total as heal, a spell twice it’s level If someone goes unconscious in one round in a deadly encounter, where healing word is only likely to buy them a turn, you might spend 4 or 5 castings of healing word, maybe all your first, maybe running out of first and casting at second for no significant benefit. And for the entire fight your only action, is either cantrips help or dodge. Or, you can cast aura of vitality. Spend 1 third level slot and your concentration to save a lot of spells, and not limit you from casting leveled spells on later turns, and when your four rounds of combat are over, you have 6 more rounds after combat, or great out of combat healing, to get that man to an amount of health that isn’t such a dire need of a rest. Similarly if you're even in a "we have less than an hour" time crunch and can't short rest, spare a minute for aura of vitality. At level 5 it's as good as a short rest
In my experience Healing Word is good, but can also be a trap. Sure it heals as a bonus action but what do clerics have to do with the leftover action? Their attacks aren't good and their cantrips are average. My problem with healing word is that any DM worth his salt will ignore downed players just like the PCs ignore downed enemies. But bring one back with a single healing and that changes if the enemy is smart. Those goblins won't ignore downed foes now, they will knock your friend down with 1 attack, preferably before he even gets up, and the rest will bonus action disengage and stab him to death. That's where Aura of Vitality comes in. Start healing before your fiends go down does the same as bringing them back up when they do without the risks. Sure you may waste some healing but you much better guard life. Barbarians constantly healed by Aura of Vitality are near immortal. I did prefer the spell when it was paladin exclusive though, little too good on life clerics as it heals 2d6+5 HP per BA.
GM "you need rations" "... I want 600 sprigs of mistletoe for 2 gold, I ask around until I get it." GM "sure, but-" "Kay guys, I got rations for almost 3 months."
Doesn't Goodberry not consume the material component? Meaning you could just *cast it* with a single sprig of mistletoe. Or hell, just your spellcasting focus.
@@bumblebot2458 That is something that get often home-brewed by the DM, especially wen they planing to make a more survival campaign. Some other DM instead often home-brew that "The berries lose their potency if they have not been consumed within 24 hours of the casting of this spell OR THE SPELL IS CASTED AGAIN.". And this is been used SPECIFICALLY for contain this kind of stockpile behavior.
Before Tasha's came out, I used to say that a lore bard could be the best healer -- you could get this spell at level 6 and a paladin probably has other spells he'd rather cast. Now that clerics get the aura spells, life cleric is king again.
Mentioning the herbs? Thank you. There is very limited lore sources I will ever manage to grt my talons on. There are things it would be meta gaming for me not to know, but thanks to you, I can become stronger.
I have seen Polymorph used as healing (of sorts) during a quest on a West Marches server. A Tabaxi Wizard (with a level in Cleric) turned a Dragonborn Blood Hunter into a Tyrannosaurus Rex to ensure her survival. That quest had a lot of things going for it, but that one small bit is something I like.
@@employee4275 In the span of 10 rounds? Its ok. 1 round average is 7, remember it effects one creature with a bonus action. **Chews on Goodberry** Paladins with 3rd lvl spells will pick this up for sure, I'm not going to deny that. Its ok.
@@PackTactics I don't follow. In combat, it's okay. Out of combat, it's 70 healing spread out however you'd like. If you're a life cleric, it's 120 healing.
Also wanna mention that Disciple of Life (from Life Cleric) applies to all the recurring heals from a Regenerate spell according to Crawford, so that's 4d8+24 initially and 10 at the start of the target's turns (assuming casting at Lv. 7 (lowest level), which grants 9 additional points of healing)
If you are playing a life cleric the amount of healing a good berry can dish out can get pretty crazy, not to mention the druid being the most dominant user of the good berry spell has several other options for both offense, support, and even tanking with the right setup.
Death ward can be an effective heal, you can use on yourself, so you have better chances to be alive to heal others, also can save a turn, cause the healing can come after your turn is gone, no concentration, if want to be hated by your DM even more than from making you can be an elfe and use metamagic to extend it to 16 hours and use before long rest (4 hours) on all the party :)
I've turned a Wizard into a decent healer before. Mark of Healing Halfling Scribe Wizard with Aura of Vitality from up to 300 feet away can make for some reliable healing.
I believe the stomach ache side effect ruling of Goodberry comes from each berry giving you "enough nourishment for one full day". If you read this as "each berry supplies enough energy to substitute for a 2000 calorie daily intake", that means eating 10 goodberries would be like eating 20,000 calories all at once. Yes it's a bit silly, and yes goodberries are magical, but I'd say it's reasonable enough for it to be up to DM interpretation.
Bonus points if they're a Thief: Fast Hands means they can use the healer's kit as both their Action and their Bonus Action on their turns, so they can res 2 people per turn. For some reason that doesn't break invisibility, so they can just secretly roam the battlefield as a hidden reviving angel.
If you up cast Goodberrry, it has more healing value per spell level when stacked with Disciple of Life. The Disciple of Life feature from Life Domain, makes the mass healing spells actually worth casting maybe. If you stack DoL and the Shepherd Druid Unicorn Totem... the math explodes. A shepherd + DoL build can actually heal like an MMO healer. Not just pick people off the ground.
I’m pretty sure transmuting some berries to have healing properties is not the same as evoking a healing spell, not to mention that the healing aspect seems to be considered a secondary effect. You could argue it but it seems to go against the spirit of Goodberry to try and stack disciple of life on top
@@PackTactics Well, you're new and haven't promoted a lot yet. I would promote in all the major D&D subreddits and Facebook groups that focus on analysis or mechanics and allow promotion.
Aid once saved my characters life. Facing off against a Balor at level 5 and my character with real close when it died. My normal max HP was 34 and aid increased it to 39. The Balor death explosion was 72 damage, and the rule for if a character takes a single hit that drops them in excess of negative their max HP, they die outright. Aid saved me from dying outright because my max HP was higher.
Ohhhhhh this is explains why I thought goodberry sucked. Our druid would only make 10 and then divide them amongst the 5 of us. Why didn't she use up all her spell slots to make more?
I have a long term plan for an Alchemist/Life cleric. 5 levels in Alchemist (Artificer subclass) give access to Alchemical Savant adding your Intelligence to healing spells (also to fire, acid, poison and necrotic spells). 4 more give access to Mass Healing Word. 1 level of Life cleric gives access to Discipline of Life. At point, if you started with an Intelligence of 16 and used both ASI to increase this score, your Mass Healing Word restores 1d4+15 to 6 creatures. Or, going with 4 levels of Artificer, 1st level Healing Word restores 1d4+11 to one creature.
be a vuman or custom lineage, pick magic initiate, pick goodbery, be a life domain cleric, each berry now heals 1 + 2 + 1 for a total of 4, x 10 thats 40 hit points of healing at level 1 with a level 1 spell, and you get 2 other cantrips for the druid spell list like shilgaasl and thorn whip wich can contribute to later spirits guardians.
About Disciple of Life + Goodberry: Since Goodberry technically doesn't heal, it just creates items that can heal someone, it can be interpreted to not work together with Disciple of Life. If you somehow created a Healing Potion using a spell, Disciple of Life wouldn't work, why should it work with Goodberry? I understand that it can also be interpreted the other way around and work, but don't just assume it will work as you intend. 40HP for a 1st level spell is extremely strong!
About the nurishment thing, a berry provides enough nurishment to sustain A creature for a day, not THE creature. This means if you eat two goodberries, you should gain exactly twice the nurishment. The spell doesn't claim you get stomach issues though, and hwre is why: Now in a way the description is stupid bc a whale needs more food than a mice, and some beings eat rocks, so unless the berry contains all the periodic elements in high enough quantities to feed whatever needs most of each element per day (which would kill anyone, and be radioactive, explosive, etc.) some trickery ia going on. Now since the text sais you gain nurishment (as opposed to not needing nurishment) specifies A creature, and so on, one can only presume it doesn't give you any chemical mixture, but rather the effect of nurishment, meaning it magically runs your metabolism for the insuin 24 hrs, which means if you eat 2, the second just resetts the timer, as magical effects don't stack in 5e. Is this absurdly complex and probably not how it was intended? Sure, but I said RAW, and WotC claims the writing is intentional so I'm running with it.
Personally I would rule gb like this: you may only have a number of berries equal to a maximum og 10 x the level of the last spell slot you used to create goodberries, capping it at 10 times your highest slot, and making it so can't refill as easily. This is to make it not completely overshadow other healing, while still allowing the concept bc lets be honest, it's a tactic that rewards planning ahead without impacting combat beyond starting conditions, as a DM this is exiting to me. To give an illustration of the optimal way of casting each night with this rule: If you have 4th level slots, you cast goodberry using a 1st level slot, then a 2nd level, then a 3rd level, and finally the 4th level slot if available. This would keep goodberries at a low enough quantity that they might still run out even if you have two casters with the spell using the tactic, while making it still useful at all levels, though slightly less impactful as time goes on since there are better ways to use high level slots, something I think is reasonable.
Something else to consider, at 4th level, if you're DM allows you to pick your summons, summoning a 2 dryads is great. they can each cast goodberry 3x/day, can cast entangle 3x/day each, and pass without trace 1/day. In terms of versatility and healing, it's incredible.
Disciple of life does not work with Goodberry by RAW, here is why: The feature sais "Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points" Goodberry does not restore hitpoints, it creates berries, and then the berries restore hitpoints if eaten within the next 24hrs. If the spell lasted 24hrs and could be dispelled I might be inclined to think disciple of life should work with it because the berries properties were an active spell effect, but goodberry is instantanious, meaning once the berries are created they are no longer affected by a spell, and they are not themselves spell effects. Think about it like this: if you use wish to create a healing potion, and you have disciple of life, that healing potion still follows the rules for a healing potion, because it's a potion and not a spell.
The Sage Advice say it does so the designers say it does. Which means by RAW it does. Goodberry 100% restore Hit Points. It is right there. It restore 1 HP every time one berry is eaten. The problem with this reasoning is that casting Cure Wounds does not heal someone by itself. The Cure Wounds spell creates a magical force that heal someone. The difference between Cure Wounds and Goodberry is that the effect of the spell is not instant and instead linger for a while. Another difference between Cure Wounds and Goodberry is that Goodberry can be dispelled, while Cure Wounds do not. Walking into a anti-magic field will make all Goodberries go away, while the healing for Cure Wounds will not go away. A single dispel magic will automatically remove ALL berries since it can not be upcast. "but goodberry is instantanious, meaning once the berries are created they are no longer affected by a spell" - Nonsense. If they were not they should not lose their potency after 24 hours. The berries are still magical for up to 24 hours, which means they are still under the effect of the spell.
@@Cloud_Seeker I generally don't mind being wrong, but I don't think I can accept your argument on this. It's obviously up to the DM anyways, RAW is no more valid so I would have the rule work the way that made the most sense too me anyways, but I frankly can't see how your argument changes anything. The description sais that when you use a spell to restore hitpoints to a creature, that creature regains extra hp. So if I cast goodberry and someone kills me, steals them, and eats them, is it still "when I use a spell to heal a creature" Because I'm pretty sure you can't use a spell when you are dead, meaning it can't trigger because it triggers when you use a spell. This is interessting, bc by this logic, goodberries can be used to determine if someone on the other side of the multiverese is dead for 24 hours. And what if they get ressurected? Do the goodberries work again? The language is pretty clear, Rules As Written, means as written, not as intended, no matter what anyone says. I don't mean to be anal about the neuances of a spell interacting with a class ability in a game that expicitly tells you to make everything up, I'm just stating what seams invontriversible and clear to me.
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 Well there is a lot of things in 5e that doesn't really work with RAW and RAI. For example. Revivify: In revivify you need to target a creature that has died. The problem is that RAI say that a creature is not dead. A corpse is dead and is an object, a creature is alive and is not an object. The wording on spells are deliberate. You can not cast spells on objects if they target creatures, and you can not cast spells on creature if they target objects. So by RAW, revivify doesn't work since there are no dead creatures. There are dead corpses. So by RAW you can not cast Revivify. Hand Crossbow: The Hand Crossbow has the light property. The light property exist so you can dual wield weapons. The problem is that the RAW say that you can only make dual wielding attacks with light MEELE weapons and not ranged weapons. Ofc Crossbow Expert overwrite this, but it does so by making the light feature and dual-wielding rules irrelevant. So by how the light property is writen. You should be able to dual-wield Hand Crossbows RAW. Note that loading doesn't require you to have a free hand to reload. But by how the dual-wield rules are written RAW, you can not dual-wield any ranged weapon no matter what the property say. This mean there is absolutely no reason why the Hand Crossbow should even have the Light property since it is worthless for it. This is all by RAW btw.
with good berry you can use it with shepherd druid to curry favor with animals. very useful if you want to find something or have an animal companion for a fight.
What about Prayer of Healing? Isn't that one pretty much the most effective per-slot-level healing in the game? It basically heals the same amount as a casting of Goodberry, except on the whole party. Its long casting time is easily made up for by having Healing Word for emergencies. It's the only spell that can out-heal damage & damage negation. There is some redundancy with hit-dice, but I've seen way too many clerics use other spells (worst of all: Cure Wounds) to top up a party out of hit-dice.
If you have a 6+ person party and all are down hp's then yes it is a great way to top up people during downtime since it has a 10 minute cast time. If you are in a 3 person party than the healing is only half as good. Eating berries can also be done faster than 10 minutes. Also goodberry never wastes heals by overhealing. If one member is down 2 and another is down 18 then one eats 2 and the other eats 18. Prayer would heal the 2 every time but the 18 might not heal all the way up ending in overhealing on the 2 being wasted. Good berry is also chain castable right before a long rest so you can just make oodles of them. If you had 8 total spells slots open before you rest you can make 80 berries for the next day. It is like precast healing for any non combat time. Though if you have a DM who does not allow the goodberry spam prayer of healing is your next go to for non combat healing.
@@adarian if one of my players frequently had 8 spell slots to spare on Good Berries before each long rest, I’d probably consider that maybe I’m not throwing enough of a challenge at them?
Surprised nobody here has mentioned how strong Beacon of Hope+ Aura of Vitality is. It does fall into the situational category, but for the cost of 2 third level spells between two casters you can get 120 out of combat healing in a minute.
Yeah goodberry was so good I give the players a choice in how they want the spell to behave because it's too powerful for me. *Scenario 1*: Goodberries can sustain you for life, no need for rations anymore. Any living creature can benefit from this but larger creatures may need more like an adult dragon may need 3 or even 5 (based on size) but a fairy will only need a bite. HOWEVER you can only EVER eat 1 berry a day anymore will cause discomfort you actually won't BE full but you FEEL full to the point of vomiting but there's nothing to vomit. *Scenario 2*: Goodberries can only sustain you for a month before starvation kicks in but you can eat as many as you want with no repercussions reaping all the healing benefits. I leave it up to my players which would they rather make easier? Exploring or fighting?
Prayer of Healing is best out of combat healing spell, up to 84 HP restored for L2 slot or 111 for L3 slot. Very good in a limited resources dungeon crawl.
How does 2 + 1 equal 4? Life domain healing is 2 + (spell level) Goodberry is a 1st level spell. It should be 3. Yet you're the second RUclipsr to say that it's 4. How does that math work?
Life cleric + good berry doesn't heal 40hp at my table you instead get 13 berries unless you use a higher lvl slot. A smarter errata writer would say you get 13 normal good berries from the combo instead of getting 10 berries that heal for 4.
RAW disciple if life does nothing for goodberry. You aren’t using a spell to restore hp to a creature, you’re using the result of a spell to do that. But I allow it to create 3 more berries per cast; that means it only activates once per cast, but still benefits you.
I am pretty sure you 100% spend one 1st level spell slot to cast Goodberry, so you are using a spell. The spell cause 1 berries that heal to appear. If you cast cure wounds, it is the result of the spell that does that as well. The berries are still magical, and the spell does not go away after you have casted them. The designers and Sage Advice have clarified that by RAW, this is 100% correct. Goodberry can does benefit from the Disciple of Life feature on every single berry.
@@anonymouskitten4715 But it restores HP because the spell is the goodberries. When a Cleric cast Mass Healing Word, it works on each creature affected separately. This effect just make every single berry more potent.
I would argue that Disciple of Life doesn't apply to Goodberry. It specifically says "When you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature..." Goodberry doesn't restore health, it creates berries. It's a transmutation spell, not an evocation spell like cure wounds or healing word. The berries restore health, yes, but the spell only makes berries. Contrast with Cure Wounds, which specifically says that you heal a creature for 1d8 + mod HP. Very different applications of that feat in my opinion
"It's not broken.... It's incredibly useful." Then proceeds to talk straight about how strong healing word is and how you can make it so that party members don't go down.
The only reason healing word is considered "broken" is because of DMs who don't want to be responsible for a PC death. At low levels healing word only brings back a few hp enough to endure one hit at most. This is fine for an emergency but try that with your main tank facing 2 or 3 opponents and you will have a lot of issues. 1st you are prone when you are downed which is just a bad position to be in. 2nd if the fighter keeps going down and coming up at some point the opponents should opt to coup de gras at least once. Finally using healing word soaks so many of your valuable spell slots in the early game it's pretty fair considering the clerics godlike spell list. The mid to late game is the above but now the monsters have multi attack. Knowing a poorly thought out healing word can instantly result in 2 failed death saves and a 50/50 coming up will teach them to rely on the bigger safer heals primarily. Ngl tho it's actually pretty snapped if the cleric is grave or life domain but that's embedded in their design.
@@MetaMdad The issue is a lot more complicated than that. It's not a GM not wanting to be responsible for a PC death, because heaven knows I've killed enough PCs. I'm personally not a fan of the play style it promotes. Also.... You have to admit. The line was funny.
@@Phox146 well I'm curious what kind of play style you mean? It doesn't make them invincible and it costs both a spell slot and the ability to cast non cantrips for the round so it's far from free. But yes him saying it's not that strong then listing all the strengths with no context for it's drawbacks is pretty comedic.
@@MetaMdad Honestly, that's a long and complicated subject, but it boils down to wanting to put on an entertaining show for my players. My goal isn't to kill PCs, my goal is to make a suspenseful game. I want to create a fear of death. A PC bleeding on the ground making death throws is scary and creates suspence. Snapping my fingers and killing someone isn't. With the current meta, I can't create that suspence (in that way), instead here are my 3 outcomes: They pop back up on the same turn, my monsters kill them while they are down, or they die to multi-attack. The person popping up with 1 HP everytime is not scary, hitting people while they are down can have players screaming that you're unfairly targeting them, and lastly killing a PC with a flury of multi-attacks is especially lame. Edit: With the meta I'm stuck in option 2 or 3. And I will repeat! I have a long PC body count, there is no saying I'm scared of killing a PC. What I'm scared of is creating an unsatisfying PC death.
Artificier if spell storing item can cast up to 10 times a spell of level 1 or 2, which aid is, you can cast aid 10 times which recovers 5 hit points to 3 people which, which is 150 health Thia is something nice you can do if anu artificier level 11
Healing Spirit is still the best even post nerf. It casts as a bonus action like healing word, it heals up to 6d6 points of damage as a second level spell or 12d6 as a 3rd level spell. Even while you only have 16 wisdom it heals for 4d6 making it the strongest 2nd level healing spell that is viable in combat. And it scales very well holding its own at every spell level. Like healing word you can cast it at range and for the couple of rounds it lasts You can either bring it to other wounded party members or leave it out buffet style.
There is a new best healer in the game. 18 Domain of Life Theurgy Wizard and 2 Path of Stars Druid. Healing Word and Wither n Bloom as Spell Mastery selections. One cast of healing word heals three targets. Goodberry is still a slot dump before resting. Have access to wizard spells to mitigate incoming damage which is always cheaper than healing it(counter spell and slow for example). With lorehold student background and select feats (magic initiate cleric, divinely Favored) you can 22 spells pulled from cleric healing and protective spells. Warding Bond, Tether Essence, Disciple of Life, Starry Form... you and your now buffed tank each heal 31 damage per free casting of Healing Word. 62 healing from a single level one casting. Now, the kicker, an old magic artifact called Manual of the Mad Surgeon that was meant for necromancers "adds an additional +Int Mod to any healing caused by your casting of Wizard spells"... and well you are a theurgy wizard after all.
it was more balanced in pf... Casting goodberry *makes 2d4 freshly picked berries magical*. You (as well as any other druid of 3rd or higher level) can immediately discern which berries are affected. *Each transmuted berry provides nourishment* as if it were a normal meal for a Medium creature. The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to *a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period*.
Talking about Goodberry, a DM that I'm playing with put a little bit of flavor on the spell. Basically, if you start eating Goodberries consistently, he'll have you roll a d20 to determine your tolerance. If you fail the DC, you'll start to become addicted. The Elf Fighter in the party became addicted, and it's pretty funny to see them become a Goodberry junkie.
I know the popular opinion, and even the sage advice, say that disciple of life applies to goodberry, but I never did like this interpretation. Just to be clear though, I have not, and would not, rule against this interpretation, I just never liked it. To me, spells do exactly what they say. And goodberry says it creates the goodberries, not that it heals. The goodberries, a product of the spell though, do have an ability to restore hit points, and to me that's different, that's a function of the item (goodberry), not the spell (goodberry). Also, disciple of life says when you use a spell to restore hit points, which means when the spell causes the healing. But goodberry has a duration of instantaneous, which means the spell itself is not an ongoing effect. So, if the spell is not ongoing when the healing occurs, then to me the spell isn't what's restoring the hit points, as the spell is done and over with, and so disciple of life wouldn't apply. Again, I know my opinion is going to be unpopular, no need to tell me so. I just wanted to share my thoughts. And I feel like if they intended them to work together, which it definitely seems they did, then they should amend the text of either the spell or the feature. But additionally, goodberry is already super powerful and useful even without this insane 4x or more buff, so is there any point is needing it so buffed anyway? Can any other class feature quadruple the effects of a spell without any additional resource use? Do we really want to completely trivialize all other out of combat healing and negate entirely the need for resting due to damage? If so, then why even throw enemies at the party, get them to spend resources on other things like solving puzzles and exploration. Because with goodberry so buffed, unless you down a party member, the damage done was completely meaningless beyond that combat. I feel like it makes the game less fun because combat is less meaningful, and other party members who might contribute to recovery are completely outshined and made unnecessary in that regard.
Really? You didnt mention aura of vitality? That spell is HELLA broken. average 7 healing per round for a full minute. its concentration but for 1 action and your bonus actions for a minute, you get as much healing as the heal spell using only a 3rd level spell slot. It only gets more insane stacked with items/effects that increase healing efficiency. Also if you are gonna pull the "Rules as intended" for feeding goodberries to allies, rules as intended also means life domain benefit to healing only applies once per ally per spellcast. Meaning the first berry each ally eats gets the bonus but none of the other ones (from the same batch of 10) would apply the extra healing to that same person.
I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on Life Transference. One of the big problems with combat healing is that the heal is not enough to last more than a single hit. Life transference allows you to heal a target for 4d8*2 health while taking 4d8 damage. While taking damage is unpleasant, chances are you're a backliner who rarely gets hit. You can take the damage and heal it up later with Goodberry or whathaveyou. But the spell will bring a character from "almost dead" to fighting condition quicker than most other spells. It is also one of the few healing options available to non-healing classes, such as wizards.
You know what else I like about Aid? You don't need to see the creatures you are casting it on. AND I like casting this on warlock familiars and Find Steeds.
I don't understand how healing spirit isn't on this list... outside of combat literally every player in the party gets 10d6 healing over the course of a minute... it's so broken and your dm will hate you
Mass healing word is a 3rd level spell and is basically 3 healing words. Considering it on a divine sorcerer as a way to bring multiple people up in a resource efficient way. Probably healing word as well, and possibly Heal but that's a stretch. But really trying to decide if healing word twined is better and always having a third level healing spell.
uhhhhh unless your a wild magic sorcerer why would anyone ever believe you accidently cast the wrong spell? points for effort but thats a nonsense tactic in a world where magic does the exact same.thing every time and there's no mechanic for failure. even a goblin should know you're a liar.
Oh for sure Id give my players a stomachache if they did that with good berry. Diseases also exist in dnd, its non magical and doesnt do damage, same with the poisoned condition not doing damage. Saying it shouldnt be negative because it heals you just seems like a poor excuse.
One issue with the goodberry tactic, it may be entirely possible that you prepare the 70 goodberries the night before and then end up in a situation where the next day involves combat that uses your spell slots, but you haven't actually gotten to the meat of the quest yet. You'll have less goodberries to go around for the day after and no time to make more before you need to start the game. You could potentially get around this by being an Elf and just taking 2 long rests in the time everyone else is using to take one, but at that point it is entirely possible the DM will do something about it
I actually only nerf the nourishment aspect of them, but that's because I am a foody and love my party making actual meals. I have no problem with the healing actually.
Quick side note everyone! With Strixhaven you can take the Quandrix background and get access to 2 cleric cantrips AND a 1st level spell you CAN cast with non appropriate spell slots. It becomes a spell known I believe. So, a WIZARD can get access to 30 Goodberries A DAY at level 1.
The reason I nerf goodberry is the reason zeebash does. It ruins an aspect of survival. I make it so the holly is consumed on use. This works as holly is moderately available for temperate climates where survival isnt a big part of the game play... But in the desert or arctic or island maybe not.
Also you can extent the time that the berries last even futher if you take the second watch of a three watch system. Cast it at the end of your watch and you've skipped 2/3 of that 8 hours of watch time that would have been wasted if you had done it at the beginning
Life transference is probably the best in combat healing spell for gaining more HP (not bringing back to stable like healing word) before L6 Heal. Nothing else can heal as much to someone with 1 action, things like Blessed Healer can help mitigate damage done to you.
my gut feeling when you said dms rule that goodberry gives stomach problems is that maybe because it gives enough nourishment for one day? like its vaguely said but i could interpret that as its so filling that its all you'd need to eat for a day and therefore overeating them could make you feel ill. that or like eating way too many vitamin tablets and getting sick because you have way too much vitamin c. as a dm i don't think i have a problem with the spell but i think it may have been designed originally for feeding a large group of people like your party and mounts or helping civilians you encounter, as opposed to a lunchbox of senzu beans.
The domain spells pay the Cleric tax™️, that being you don’t need to have a bunch of mandatory heal spells prepared. Thus you can run what you actually wana run from the cleric list without agonising when you forget to prep lesser restoration or revivify. The main spell the domain doesn’t give for free is healing word, but that’s only a single spell slot.
Unpopular opinion- good berry the spell summons good berries. The good berry heals 1 hp when consumed. Thus the good berry spell doesn't heal it creates good berries. Meaning clerics can't affect it
I have nerfed goodberry once. It was in Rime of the Frostmaiden, where a core conflict of the book, (the nomads in the frozen wastes being starving) was immediately solved by goodberry. Not by the players mind you, the ones who had access to goodberry were the starving nomads. Why would they be starving if they have a druid who can cast goodberry? Also just because something has healing properties doesn't mean eating large amounts of that thing is safe.
Point to me the rule where it says you get problems. How I read it is enough nourishment means you get enough. If you already have enough and you eat, you get none because you already have enough.
@@PackTactics I was merely refuting the idea that something with healing properties wouldn't be able to give you a stomach ache. It could. I'm not saying that goodberry definitely would. Just that it would be a fair assumption. Too much of a good thing can be bad. I should also say that the nerf I gave it had nothing to do with stomache aches. I made it a bit more expensive to cast. To explain why the starving npcs weren't using it to solve their food problems.
@@lawaern3474 So like, you only have a problem with the feeding thing so why not just... Remove that and say no nourishment what so ever and instead it just heals you. Saves you the trouble. Players are fine with that rather then unintentionally nerfing the best part of the spell.
@@PackTactics A great idea in hindsight. But sadly that campaign fell apart. And my other games don't have the same problem with starving background characters. I'll use that next time if I run that campaign again though. Thanks.
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The new healing spirit spell with the AOE heal is wrong, It only heals 21 hp and then its gone. So its a really really REALLY bad spell!
what do you think of restoration and greater restoration ?
@@smile-tl9in I've seen am cast 2 times in 4 years of dnd. I'm obviously for these spells although its rare. Better safe than sorry.
@@PackTactics Aura of vitality?
The best part of Goodberry is it gives you a mechanism to talk about hit points in character.
"How many Druid's magic berries hurt are you?"
"I think about 23 berries would completely heal all my wounds right now."
this is gold
*worst
@@healexhelixvideos4680 its a game and hp matters, we should freely talk about hp anyway. pretending like we don't have hp or don't know our hp is just stupid.
@@healexhelixvideos4680 *best
One of my absolute favorite things to do is, as a Divine Soul Sorcerer: *Twin Heal.*
Instant, 60 foot, 140 HP goodness.
And Extended Aura of Vitality. 140 healing for a 3rd level slot.
@@Mastikator Do it with a life cleric and its 210
Also extended Aid before a long rest is awesome
@@minionofhavoc7266 it’s nice but then you lose the benefit of using it to raise up to 3 unconscious people in battle with it. Pros and cons haha. I like that combo better with death ward personally
So with Aid you get the healing after casting it even if the duration isn't over
Fun fact: If you use your downtime slots above 1st level for Goodberries, Disciple of Life will also make those berries heal more as it scales on the slot level.
They are no longer goodberries.
They are greatberries.
Hun learn some thin new
@@captainpandabear1422 and a lvl 9 good berries would be the greatest berries
@@ignacioperez5479 they become Rawberries. Made with lightning!
If you use goodberry for regular healing at my table, your character is getting morbidly obese.
Was so confused until I saw you putting sandwiches in a box. Thanks!
Thats not me, its some Vuman.
@@PackTactics Vuman as in Variant Human (With the chef feat of course) or Vuman as in "I can't pronounce human"?
@@Nubbletech vuman is variant human(chef duh)
@@igormartins2701 Thanks for making that clear to me. My suman 9 int brain wasn't quite sure about that. (9 because of racial ability score increase)
"Use minor illusion to create lava"
The lava: can't create light and is a perfectly still image because minor illusion has restrictions
The enemy: what is that?
So, a chunk of obsidian?
minor illusion that they are petrified (creating an illusion of a perfectly still statue slightly larger than they are), doesnt need sound, they dont move when unconscious and you are still using only creating an object (statues of people are in fact, objects).
@@DrApylon * petrifies friend with "accidental magic" *
"O no, not again"
Anyway it's probably a better idea, until the enemy tries to break the statues..
@@raffaeleramieri3411 “shrugs” it happens, but usually enemies don’t bother trying to break statues in the middle of a fight
@@agilemind6241 this is mid combat when an ally goes down to pretend you petrified them so they don’t get finished off
I... I never considered using Aid to bring up an unconscious ally, nor multi-classing druid/cleric for a Goodberry combo... *makes mental note not to underestimate Tiamat's chosen Kobold*
or jsut take magic inishiate druid for good berry
Initiate would only give 1 casting
@@eslin2845 Perhaps, but sometimes once is enough.
No discussion of Revivify is complete without an honorable mention of Gentle Repose. Delivering Gentle Repose by way of familiar (if downded character is dead and out of reach by Revivify caster) can save dead low level party members until finding a source of Revivify. Practically infinitely if recast within 10 day intervals.
Gentle repose can also be used to avoid food waste. The spell only specifies "a corpse or other remains". Which means _it keeps meat fresh._
You can kill a dragon and store tons of its meat in various Bags of Holding and keep Gentle Respose'ing the meat to keep it edible indefinitely. You can eat, or sell, this rare delicacy without wasting a single scrap! (Might count as an act of evil though since dragons are intelligent, but really, it's already dead and it's not like you killed it _just_ to get the meat, right? I mean, it's a dragon, it was probably a quest to kill the thing because it was terrorizing villagers or something.)
Multiclass to sorcerer to turn all your slots to 1st lvl. Since good berry dosent upcast, you can make soooo many berries in one rest
pick up one level of warlock and turn the short rest spell slots into sorcery points for more goodberries.
@@DrApylon I checked, and double checked, and then checked the warlock just to be sure and you are actually right. You can convert any slot, not just those gained from the sorcerer class, and warlock slots have no property that makes them not count as just "spell slots". This is bigger than goodberry though, you are describing a system that lets you convert remaining warlock slots into sorcery points every short rest, and the points lasts untill your next long rest, and while you can't have more sorcery points than your sorcerer level, you can have potentially infinite magical energy by making slots using the same feature. There is a large conversion cost, ao it won't be that groundbreaking, but honestly this is really cool, I'm making a sorcelock right away!
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 coffeelock basics are you never take long rests (reborn/warforged are easiest since they don’t need sleep, though elves can work too, but exhaustion might still get you) you get lvl 2 warlock to get the generation slots (2 lvl 2 slots is 4 sorcery points per short rest essentially) you then use sorcerer to convert said sorcery points into any spell slots of 5th or lower, those slot don’t go away until you take a long rest. So as long as you only take short rests, you can continue to build more and more spell slots of 5th level or lower. Enjoy phenomenal cosmic power
@@DrApylon Yeah I just disspaired and did the work myself. First I want to point out that the only rules for exhaustion are in xanathars and why the rule talks about rests, it also specifiea that it's there to deal with sleep deprevision, aomethin an elf would be able to ignore if they get thwir 4hrs. Ideally you get tome at 5th and go aspect of the moon though, to have all 8 hours free while the party rests
The cool upahot is that if your tomelock 3 sorc 2 character spends 7 of those hours short resting converting each slot to points then 1st level slots, you can get 14 1st level slota that stay untill you finnish a long rest, but you will never finnish a long rest, just get cure wounds to make up for the hitpoint defecit and you can have ynlimited spell slots. I half-did the math, and this 5th level build can have way over 100 1st level slots with a week of downtime. At 7war/7sorc you can make a 5th level slot per short rest, or 4 1st level slots, as well as options in-between, Letting you have the most broken build concevable.
Now the 3rd level phb only verion with an elf only guarantees 3 slots per long rest, and a gaining rat of 1 slot per hour of waking dt, but there still isn't a limit, so give it a week and you have dozens of spell slots. Nevermind goodberry, you can hand out cure wounds castings like they were goodberry, and never even have to tap into your "real" spell slots.
The 5th level version (tomelock3/sorc2), if you pick the celestial patron for healing spells, also leaves you at 12 cantrips, of which 3 can be from any class, and this build hardly needs cantrips as it can use 1st level spells as if they were free.
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 generally the build really comes online with a race that naturally doesnt suffer exhaustion from a lack of sleep so you can spam chained short rests during long rests. Otherwise you need Greater Restoration, prior to this its still very good as you can use excess warlock slots as sorcery point regen during short rests and just utilize more metamagic. But you dont want to invest too much into warlock as warlock spell progression doesnt continue to improve your spell slots, it also prevents you from getting access to more spells/feats/ASIs. Generally Warlock multiclassing works best when splashing either warlock or other classes.
Surprised you didn’t mention aura of vitality. Now that clerics have it.
You can concentrate on having at will healing word and it heals for the same average total as heal, a spell twice it’s level
If someone goes unconscious in one round in a deadly encounter, where healing word is only likely to buy them a turn, you might spend 4 or 5 castings of healing word, maybe all your first, maybe running out of first and casting at second for no significant benefit. And for the entire fight your only action, is either cantrips help or dodge.
Or, you can cast aura of vitality. Spend 1 third level slot and your concentration to save a lot of spells, and not limit you from casting leveled spells on later turns, and when your four rounds of combat are over, you have 6 more rounds after combat, or great out of combat healing, to get that man to an amount of health that isn’t such a dire need of a rest.
Similarly if you're even in a "we have less than an hour" time crunch and can't short rest, spare a minute for aura of vitality. At level 5 it's as good as a short rest
In my experience Healing Word is good, but can also be a trap. Sure it heals as a bonus action but what do clerics have to do with the leftover action? Their attacks aren't good and their cantrips are average.
My problem with healing word is that any DM worth his salt will ignore downed players just like the PCs ignore downed enemies. But bring one back with a single healing and that changes if the enemy is smart. Those goblins won't ignore downed foes now, they will knock your friend down with 1 attack, preferably before he even gets up, and the rest will bonus action disengage and stab him to death.
That's where Aura of Vitality comes in. Start healing before your fiends go down does the same as bringing them back up when they do without the risks. Sure you may waste some healing but you much better guard life. Barbarians constantly healed by Aura of Vitality are near immortal. I did prefer the spell when it was paladin exclusive though, little too good on life clerics as it heals 2d6+5 HP per BA.
Don't trust everything the talking heads say.
@@snakept69 Same I liked it being pally exclusive, gave you a reason to want to go 9 pally and not mutliclass into hexblade.
GM "you need rations"
"... I want 600 sprigs of mistletoe for 2 gold, I ask around until I get it."
GM "sure, but-"
"Kay guys, I got rations for almost 3 months."
Saving good berries might make sense onnearly levels, fine, but being able to wave rations away just makes sense.
Doesn't Goodberry not consume the material component? Meaning you could just *cast it* with a single sprig of mistletoe. Or hell, just your spellcasting focus.
@@bumblebot2458 That is something that get often home-brewed by the DM, especially wen they planing to make a more survival campaign.
Some other DM instead often home-brew that "The berries lose their potency if they have not been consumed within 24 hours of the casting of this spell OR THE SPELL IS CASTED AGAIN.". And this is been used SPECIFICALLY for contain this kind of stockpile behavior.
"Sorry, ran out, too many Druids keep asking for them to make berries or some shit."
@@kristianperez4108 main plot of a survival campaign, druid kingpins are hoarding mistletoe
i'd argue aua of vitality should at least be an honorable mention. It's basically healing spirit, but un-nerfed and 1 level higher.
Aura of vitality is how to heal with your action and bonus action, very good if you need to go full healer mode
Before Tasha's came out, I used to say that a lore bard could be the best healer -- you could get this spell at level 6 and a paladin probably has other spells he'd rather cast.
Now that clerics get the aura spells, life cleric is king again.
Aid truly is an amazing spell.
Yet it's treated as an usless spell, it's literally plus 15 HP to the party.
Use it with extend spell before bed time :)
And don't forget that it can be used on allied creatures and not just PCs.
Mentioning the herbs? Thank you. There is very limited lore sources I will ever manage to grt my talons on. There are things it would be meta gaming for me not to know, but thanks to you, I can become stronger.
I have seen Polymorph used as healing (of sorts) during a quest on a West Marches server. A Tabaxi Wizard (with a level in Cleric) turned a Dragonborn Blood Hunter into a Tyrannosaurus Rex to ensure her survival.
That quest had a lot of things going for it, but that one small bit is something I like.
Immediately scanned through the video and am disappointed that Aura of Vitality is not on there. It has some insane value for a third level slot.
Its ok.
@@PackTactics The same average healing as Heal except 3 spell levels earlier is okay?
@@employee4275 In the span of 10 rounds? Its ok. 1 round average is 7, remember it effects one creature with a bonus action. **Chews on Goodberry** Paladins with 3rd lvl spells will pick this up for sure, I'm not going to deny that. Its ok.
@@PackTactics I don't follow. In combat, it's okay. Out of combat, it's 70 healing spread out however you'd like. If you're a life cleric, it's 120 healing.
@@tomc.5704 Yeah. Its just ok like you said. But I wouldn't cast it. I have better things to do.
Also wanna mention that Disciple of Life (from Life Cleric) applies to all the recurring heals from a Regenerate spell according to Crawford, so that's 4d8+24 initially and 10 at the start of the target's turns (assuming casting at Lv. 7 (lowest level), which grants 9 additional points of healing)
If you are playing a life cleric the amount of healing a good berry can dish out can get pretty crazy, not to mention the druid being the most dominant user of the good berry spell has several other options for both offense, support, and even tanking with the right setup.
Death ward can be an effective heal, you can use on yourself, so you have better chances to be alive to heal others, also can save a turn, cause the healing can come after your turn is gone, no concentration, if want to be hated by your DM even more than from making you can be an elfe and use metamagic to extend it to 16 hours and use before long rest (4 hours) on all the party :)
I've turned a Wizard into a decent healer before. Mark of Healing Halfling Scribe Wizard with Aura of Vitality from up to 300 feet away can make for some reliable healing.
I believe the stomach ache side effect ruling of Goodberry comes from each berry giving you "enough nourishment for one full day". If you read this as "each berry supplies enough energy to substitute for a 2000 calorie daily intake", that means eating 10 goodberries would be like eating 20,000 calories all at once. Yes it's a bit silly, and yes goodberries are magical, but I'd say it's reasonable enough for it to be up to DM interpretation.
@@agilemind6241 I love this take.
Those good berries must be the size of apples for taking a whole action to eat.
I would like to inform you that a watermelon is technically a berry.
Hmmm maybe more like strawberries, six seconds or less is scary fast to eat a whole dang apple.
Luckily for me, I do have a +5 modifier for wisdom
The best healing spell in the game is the healer feat and 10 healer's kits :P
Bonus points if they're a Thief: Fast Hands means they can use the healer's kit as both their Action and their Bonus Action on their turns, so they can res 2 people per turn. For some reason that doesn't break invisibility, so they can just secretly roam the battlefield as a hidden reviving angel.
@@Em0srawk Wow. That's amazing if trur.
If you up cast Goodberrry, it has more healing value per spell level when stacked with Disciple of Life. The Disciple of Life feature from Life Domain, makes the mass healing spells actually worth casting maybe. If you stack DoL and the Shepherd Druid Unicorn Totem... the math explodes. A shepherd + DoL build can actually heal like an MMO healer. Not just pick people off the ground.
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I’m pretty sure transmuting some berries to have healing properties is not the same as evoking a healing spell, not to mention that the healing aspect seems to be considered a secondary effect. You could argue it but it seems to go against the spirit of Goodberry to try and stack disciple of life on top
This channel is so good.
Oh, thank you! This channel isnt very good at getting views though...
@@PackTactics Well, you're new and haven't promoted a lot yet. I would promote in all the major D&D subreddits and Facebook groups that focus on analysis or mechanics and allow promotion.
@@recurve7 Please do! That would make me happy!
The first healing spell I ever cast wasn't even on purpose. I just saw a friend was hurt and went to rub them to ease the pain. What is this called?
Healing rub
@@PackTactics not Lay on Hands? 🙃
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Aid once saved my characters life. Facing off against a Balor at level 5 and my character with real close when it died. My normal max HP was 34 and aid increased it to 39. The Balor death explosion was 72 damage, and the rule for if a character takes a single hit that drops them in excess of negative their max HP, they die outright. Aid saved me from dying outright because my max HP was higher.
Ohhhhhh this is explains why I thought goodberry sucked. Our druid would only make 10 and then divide them amongst the 5 of us. Why didn't she use up all her spell slots to make more?
I have a long term plan for an Alchemist/Life cleric. 5 levels in Alchemist (Artificer subclass) give access to Alchemical Savant adding your Intelligence to healing spells (also to fire, acid, poison and necrotic spells). 4 more give access to Mass Healing Word. 1 level of Life cleric gives access to Discipline of Life. At point, if you started with an Intelligence of 16 and used both ASI to increase this score, your Mass Healing Word restores 1d4+15 to 6 creatures. Or, going with 4 levels of Artificer, 1st level Healing Word restores 1d4+11 to one creature.
be a vuman or custom lineage, pick magic initiate, pick goodbery, be a life domain cleric, each berry now heals 1 + 2 + 1 for a total of 4, x 10 thats 40 hit points of healing at level 1 with a level 1 spell, and you get 2 other cantrips for the druid spell list like shilgaasl and thorn whip wich can contribute to later spirits guardians.
About Disciple of Life + Goodberry:
Since Goodberry technically doesn't heal, it just creates items that can heal someone, it can be interpreted to not work together with Disciple of Life. If you somehow created a Healing Potion using a spell, Disciple of Life wouldn't work, why should it work with Goodberry? I understand that it can also be interpreted the other way around and work, but don't just assume it will work as you intend. 40HP for a 1st level spell is extremely strong!
It works according to Sage Advice, but of course it comes down to DM fiat in the end.
About the nurishment thing, a berry provides enough nurishment to sustain A creature for a day, not THE creature. This means if you eat two goodberries, you should gain exactly twice the nurishment. The spell doesn't claim you get stomach issues though, and hwre is why:
Now in a way the description is stupid bc a whale needs more food than a mice, and some beings eat rocks, so unless the berry contains all the periodic elements in high enough quantities to feed whatever needs most of each element per day (which would kill anyone, and be radioactive, explosive, etc.) some trickery ia going on.
Now since the text sais you gain nurishment (as opposed to not needing nurishment) specifies A creature, and so on, one can only presume it doesn't give you any chemical mixture, but rather the effect of nurishment, meaning it magically runs your metabolism for the insuin 24 hrs, which means if you eat 2, the second just resetts the timer, as magical effects don't stack in 5e.
Is this absurdly complex and probably not how it was intended? Sure, but I said RAW, and WotC claims the writing is intentional so I'm running with it.
Variant rest mechanics really changes the meta of spells
Personally I would rule gb like this: you may only have a number of berries equal to a maximum og 10 x the level of the last spell slot you used to create goodberries, capping it at 10 times your highest slot, and making it so can't refill as easily. This is to make it not completely overshadow other healing, while still allowing the concept bc lets be honest, it's a tactic that rewards planning ahead without impacting combat beyond starting conditions, as a DM this is exiting to me.
To give an illustration of the optimal way of casting each night with this rule: If you have 4th level slots, you cast goodberry using a 1st level slot, then a 2nd level, then a 3rd level, and finally the 4th level slot if available. This would keep goodberries at a low enough quantity that they might still run out even if you have two casters with the spell using the tactic, while making it still useful at all levels, though slightly less impactful as time goes on since there are better ways to use high level slots, something I think is reasonable.
Something else to consider, at 4th level, if you're DM allows you to pick your summons, summoning a 2 dryads is great. they can each cast goodberry 3x/day, can cast entangle 3x/day each, and pass without trace 1/day. In terms of versatility and healing, it's incredible.
Wait if Aid gives you permanent hp would your max hp permanently increase too?
My favourite healing spell is hypnotic pattern
Disciple of life does not work with Goodberry by RAW, here is why:
The feature sais "Whenever you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature, the creature regains additional hit points" Goodberry does not restore hitpoints, it creates berries, and then the berries restore hitpoints if eaten within the next 24hrs. If the spell lasted 24hrs and could be dispelled I might be inclined to think disciple of life should work with it because the berries properties were an active spell effect, but goodberry is instantanious, meaning once the berries are created they are no longer affected by a spell, and they are not themselves spell effects.
Think about it like this: if you use wish to create a healing potion, and you have disciple of life, that healing potion still follows the rules for a healing potion, because it's a potion and not a spell.
The Sage Advice say it does so the designers say it does. Which means by RAW it does.
Goodberry 100% restore Hit Points. It is right there. It restore 1 HP every time one berry is eaten. The problem with this reasoning is that casting Cure Wounds does not heal someone by itself. The Cure Wounds spell creates a magical force that heal someone. The difference between Cure Wounds and Goodberry is that the effect of the spell is not instant and instead linger for a while. Another difference between Cure Wounds and Goodberry is that Goodberry can be dispelled, while Cure Wounds do not. Walking into a anti-magic field will make all Goodberries go away, while the healing for Cure Wounds will not go away. A single dispel magic will automatically remove ALL berries since it can not be upcast.
"but goodberry is instantanious, meaning once the berries are created they are no longer affected by a spell"
- Nonsense. If they were not they should not lose their potency after 24 hours. The berries are still magical for up to 24 hours, which means they are still under the effect of the spell.
@@Cloud_Seeker I generally don't mind being wrong, but I don't think I can accept your argument on this. It's obviously up to the DM anyways, RAW is no more valid so I would have the rule work the way that made the most sense too me anyways, but I frankly can't see how your argument changes anything.
The description sais that when you use a spell to restore hitpoints to a creature, that creature regains extra hp. So if I cast goodberry and someone kills me, steals them, and eats them, is it still "when I use a spell to heal a creature" Because I'm pretty sure you can't use a spell when you are dead, meaning it can't trigger because it triggers when you use a spell.
This is interessting, bc by this logic, goodberries can be used to determine if someone on the other side of the multiverese is dead for 24 hours. And what if they get ressurected? Do the goodberries work again? The language is pretty clear, Rules As Written, means as written, not as intended, no matter what anyone says. I don't mean to be anal about the neuances of a spell interacting with a class ability in a game that expicitly tells you to make everything up, I'm just stating what seams invontriversible and clear to me.
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 Well there is a lot of things in 5e that doesn't really work with RAW and RAI. For example.
Revivify:
In revivify you need to target a creature that has died. The problem is that RAI say that a creature is not dead. A corpse is dead and is an object, a creature is alive and is not an object. The wording on spells are deliberate. You can not cast spells on objects if they target creatures, and you can not cast spells on creature if they target objects.
So by RAW, revivify doesn't work since there are no dead creatures. There are dead corpses. So by RAW you can not cast Revivify.
Hand Crossbow:
The Hand Crossbow has the light property. The light property exist so you can dual wield weapons. The problem is that the RAW say that you can only make dual wielding attacks with light MEELE weapons and not ranged weapons.
Ofc Crossbow Expert overwrite this, but it does so by making the light feature and dual-wielding rules irrelevant.
So by how the light property is writen. You should be able to dual-wield Hand Crossbows RAW. Note that loading doesn't require you to have a free hand to reload.
But by how the dual-wield rules are written RAW, you can not dual-wield any ranged weapon no matter what the property say.
This mean there is absolutely no reason why the Hand Crossbow should even have the Light property since it is worthless for it.
This is all by RAW btw.
@@lydiasteinebendiksen4269 you are correct. Both RAW and RAI, Disciple of Life has no effect at all on Goodberry, for multiple reasons.
with good berry you can use it with shepherd druid to curry favor with animals. very useful if you want to find something or have an animal companion for a fight.
What about Prayer of Healing?
Isn't that one pretty much the most effective per-slot-level healing in the game? It basically heals the same amount as a casting of Goodberry, except on the whole party. Its long casting time is easily made up for by having Healing Word for emergencies. It's the only spell that can out-heal damage & damage negation. There is some redundancy with hit-dice, but I've seen way too many clerics use other spells (worst of all: Cure Wounds) to top up a party out of hit-dice.
If you have a 6+ person party and all are down hp's then yes it is a great way to top up people during downtime since it has a 10 minute cast time. If you are in a 3 person party than the healing is only half as good. Eating berries can also be done faster than 10 minutes. Also goodberry never wastes heals by overhealing. If one member is down 2 and another is down 18 then one eats 2 and the other eats 18. Prayer would heal the 2 every time but the 18 might not heal all the way up ending in overhealing on the 2 being wasted. Good berry is also chain castable right before a long rest so you can just make oodles of them. If you had 8 total spells slots open before you rest you can make 80 berries for the next day. It is like precast healing for any non combat time. Though if you have a DM who does not allow the goodberry spam prayer of healing is your next go to for non combat healing.
@@adarian if one of my players frequently had 8 spell slots to spare on Good Berries before each long rest, I’d probably consider that maybe I’m not throwing enough of a challenge at them?
Surprised nobody here has mentioned how strong Beacon of Hope+ Aura of Vitality is. It does fall into the situational category, but for the cost of 2 third level spells between two casters you can get 120 out of combat healing in a minute.
Now that clerics get the aura spells, two aura of vitality spells would average 140, better than a single max aura.
@@agilemind6241 because this takes only a minute where a short rest lasts up to a hour depending on the DM.
Yeah goodberry was so good I give the players a choice in how they want the spell to behave because it's too powerful for me.
*Scenario 1*: Goodberries can sustain you for life, no need for rations anymore. Any living creature can benefit from this but larger creatures may need more like an adult dragon may need 3 or even 5 (based on size) but a fairy will only need a bite. HOWEVER you can only EVER eat 1 berry a day anymore will cause discomfort you actually won't BE full but you FEEL full to the point of vomiting but there's nothing to vomit.
*Scenario 2*: Goodberries can only sustain you for a month before starvation kicks in but you can eat as many as you want with no repercussions reaping all the healing benefits.
I leave it up to my players which would they rather make easier? Exploring or fighting?
Prayer of Healing is best out of combat healing spell, up to 84 HP restored for L2 slot or 111 for L3 slot. Very good in a limited resources dungeon crawl.
How does 2 + 1 equal 4? Life domain healing is 2 + (spell level) Goodberry is a 1st level spell. It should be 3. Yet you're the second RUclipsr to say that it's 4. How does that math work?
Its 4 because the good berry counts as 1. so life domain 2+(spell level)+the spell itself so 1 = 4
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Life cleric + good berry doesn't heal 40hp at my table you instead get 13 berries unless you use a higher lvl slot. A smarter errata writer would say you get 13 normal good berries from the combo instead of getting 10 berries that heal for 4.
Yeah that seems balanced well, still get benefit but not OP.
RAW disciple if life does nothing for goodberry. You aren’t using a spell to restore hp to a creature, you’re using the result of a spell to do that. But I allow it to create 3 more berries per cast; that means it only activates once per cast, but still benefits you.
I am pretty sure you 100% spend one 1st level spell slot to cast Goodberry, so you are using a spell. The spell cause 1 berries that heal to appear. If you cast cure wounds, it is the result of the spell that does that as well. The berries are still magical, and the spell does not go away after you have casted them. The designers and Sage Advice have clarified that by RAW, this is 100% correct. Goodberry can does benefit from the Disciple of Life feature on every single berry.
@@Cloud_Seeker what I’m saying is the spell doesn’t restore hp, the spell creates goodberries
@@anonymouskitten4715 But it restores HP because the spell is the goodberries. When a Cleric cast Mass Healing Word, it works on each creature affected separately. This effect just make every single berry more potent.
Kobald are the happiest creatures ever
My DM gave me alcoholic Goodberries as a cantrip after rolling a Nat 20 to figure out a cool mechanic in a magic library.
I would argue that Disciple of Life doesn't apply to Goodberry. It specifically says "When you use a spell of 1st level or higher to restore hit points to a creature..." Goodberry doesn't restore health, it creates berries. It's a transmutation spell, not an evocation spell like cure wounds or healing word. The berries restore health, yes, but the spell only makes berries.
Contrast with Cure Wounds, which specifically says that you heal a creature for 1d8 + mod HP. Very different applications of that feat in my opinion
6:46 where have i heard this bagpipe song before? i feel like it is probably a well known bagpipe song, and that i heard it in some sort of video game
Amazing Grace.
"It's not broken.... It's incredibly useful." Then proceeds to talk straight about how strong healing word is and how you can make it so that party members don't go down.
The only reason healing word is considered "broken" is because of DMs who don't want to be responsible for a PC death.
At low levels healing word only brings back a few hp enough to endure one hit at most. This is fine for an emergency but try that with your main tank facing 2 or 3 opponents and you will have a lot of issues. 1st you are prone when you are downed which is just a bad position to be in. 2nd if the fighter keeps going down and coming up at some point the opponents should opt to coup de gras at least once. Finally using healing word soaks so many of your valuable spell slots in the early game it's pretty fair considering the clerics godlike spell list.
The mid to late game is the above but now the monsters have multi attack. Knowing a poorly thought out healing word can instantly result in 2 failed death saves and a 50/50 coming up will teach them to rely on the bigger safer heals primarily.
Ngl tho it's actually pretty snapped if the cleric is grave or life domain but that's embedded in their design.
@@MetaMdad The issue is a lot more complicated than that. It's not a GM not wanting to be responsible for a PC death, because heaven knows I've killed enough PCs. I'm personally not a fan of the play style it promotes.
Also.... You have to admit. The line was funny.
@@Phox146 well I'm curious what kind of play style you mean? It doesn't make them invincible and it costs both a spell slot and the ability to cast non cantrips for the round so it's far from free.
But yes him saying it's not that strong then listing all the strengths with no context for it's drawbacks is pretty comedic.
@@MetaMdad Honestly, that's a long and complicated subject, but it boils down to wanting to put on an entertaining show for my players.
My goal isn't to kill PCs, my goal is to make a suspenseful game. I want to create a fear of death. A PC bleeding on the ground making death throws is scary and creates suspence. Snapping my fingers and killing someone isn't.
With the current meta, I can't create that suspence (in that way), instead here are my 3 outcomes: They pop back up on the same turn, my monsters kill them while they are down, or they die to multi-attack.
The person popping up with 1 HP everytime is not scary, hitting people while they are down can have players screaming that you're unfairly targeting them, and lastly killing a PC with a flury of multi-attacks is especially lame.
Edit: With the meta I'm stuck in option 2 or 3. And I will repeat! I have a long PC body count, there is no saying I'm scared of killing a PC. What I'm scared of is creating an unsatisfying PC death.
Artificier if spell storing item can cast up to 10 times a spell of level 1 or 2, which aid is, you can cast aid 10 times which recovers 5 hit points to 3 people which, which is 150 health
Thia is something nice you can do if anu artificier level 11
Healing Spirit is still the best even post nerf. It casts as a bonus action like healing word, it heals up to 6d6 points of damage as a second level spell or 12d6 as a 3rd level spell.
Even while you only have 16 wisdom it heals for 4d6 making it the strongest 2nd level healing spell that is viable in combat.
And it scales very well holding its own at every spell level.
Like healing word you can cast it at range and for the couple of rounds it lasts You can either bring it to other wounded party members or leave it out buffet style.
There is a new best healer in the game. 18 Domain of Life Theurgy Wizard and 2 Path of Stars Druid. Healing Word and Wither n Bloom as Spell Mastery selections. One cast of healing word heals three targets. Goodberry is still a slot dump before resting. Have access to wizard spells to mitigate incoming damage which is always cheaper than healing it(counter spell and slow for example). With lorehold student background and select feats (magic initiate cleric, divinely Favored) you can 22 spells pulled from cleric healing and protective spells.
Warding Bond, Tether Essence, Disciple of Life, Starry Form... you and your now buffed tank each heal 31 damage per free casting of Healing Word. 62 healing from a single level one casting.
Now, the kicker, an old magic artifact called Manual of the Mad Surgeon that was meant for necromancers "adds an additional +Int Mod to any healing caused by your casting of Wizard spells"... and well you are a theurgy wizard after all.
it was more balanced in pf...
Casting goodberry *makes 2d4 freshly picked berries magical*. You (as well as any other druid of 3rd or higher level) can immediately discern which berries are affected. *Each transmuted berry provides nourishment* as if it were a normal meal for a Medium creature. The berry also cures 1 point of damage when eaten, subject to *a maximum of 8 points of such curing in any 24-hour period*.
Kobold: "doesn't make sense that something with 'healimg properties' cause stomach problems."
Me: !!! **Downs family size bottle of Tylenol PM**
Talking about Goodberry, a DM that I'm playing with put a little bit of flavor on the spell.
Basically, if you start eating Goodberries consistently, he'll have you roll a d20 to determine your tolerance. If you fail the DC, you'll start to become addicted.
The Elf Fighter in the party became addicted, and it's pretty funny to see them become a Goodberry junkie.
I love the intro. It's basically a topic sentence.
OMG I am short of words about the GREAT OMO OLODUMARE Who help me. He heal me with his great great power. I am only here to say thank you 😊.
I know the popular opinion, and even the sage advice, say that disciple of life applies to goodberry, but I never did like this interpretation. Just to be clear though, I have not, and would not, rule against this interpretation, I just never liked it. To me, spells do exactly what they say. And goodberry says it creates the goodberries, not that it heals. The goodberries, a product of the spell though, do have an ability to restore hit points, and to me that's different, that's a function of the item (goodberry), not the spell (goodberry). Also, disciple of life says when you use a spell to restore hit points, which means when the spell causes the healing. But goodberry has a duration of instantaneous, which means the spell itself is not an ongoing effect. So, if the spell is not ongoing when the healing occurs, then to me the spell isn't what's restoring the hit points, as the spell is done and over with, and so disciple of life wouldn't apply.
Again, I know my opinion is going to be unpopular, no need to tell me so. I just wanted to share my thoughts. And I feel like if they intended them to work together, which it definitely seems they did, then they should amend the text of either the spell or the feature. But additionally, goodberry is already super powerful and useful even without this insane 4x or more buff, so is there any point is needing it so buffed anyway? Can any other class feature quadruple the effects of a spell without any additional resource use? Do we really want to completely trivialize all other out of combat healing and negate entirely the need for resting due to damage? If so, then why even throw enemies at the party, get them to spend resources on other things like solving puzzles and exploration. Because with goodberry so buffed, unless you down a party member, the damage done was completely meaningless beyond that combat. I feel like it makes the game less fun because combat is less meaningful, and other party members who might contribute to recovery are completely outshined and made unnecessary in that regard.
Really? You didnt mention aura of vitality? That spell is HELLA broken. average 7 healing per round for a full minute. its concentration but for 1 action and your bonus actions for a minute, you get as much healing as the heal spell using only a 3rd level spell slot. It only gets more insane stacked with items/effects that increase healing efficiency.
Also if you are gonna pull the "Rules as intended" for feeding goodberries to allies, rules as intended also means life domain benefit to healing only applies once per ally per spellcast. Meaning the first berry each ally eats gets the bonus but none of the other ones (from the same batch of 10) would apply the extra healing to that same person.
I feel like a lot of people are sleeping on Life Transference. One of the big problems with combat healing is that the heal is not enough to last more than a single hit. Life transference allows you to heal a target for 4d8*2 health while taking 4d8 damage. While taking damage is unpleasant, chances are you're a backliner who rarely gets hit. You can take the damage and heal it up later with Goodberry or whathaveyou. But the spell will bring a character from "almost dead" to fighting condition quicker than most other spells. It is also one of the few healing options available to non-healing classes, such as wizards.
You know what else I like about Aid? You don't need to see the creatures you are casting it on. AND I like casting this on warlock familiars and Find Steeds.
I don't understand how healing spirit isn't on this list... outside of combat literally every player in the party gets 10d6 healing over the course of a minute... it's so broken and your dm will hate you
Mass healing word is a 3rd level spell and is basically 3 healing words.
Considering it on a divine sorcerer as a way to bring multiple people up in a resource efficient way. Probably healing word as well, and possibly Heal but that's a stretch.
But really trying to decide if healing word twined is better and always having a third level healing spell.
uhhhhh unless your a wild magic sorcerer why would anyone ever believe you accidently cast the wrong spell? points for effort but thats a nonsense tactic in a world where magic does the exact same.thing every time and there's no mechanic for failure.
even a goblin should know you're a liar.
Oh for sure Id give my players a stomachache if they did that with good berry. Diseases also exist in dnd, its non magical and doesnt do damage, same with the poisoned condition not doing damage. Saying it shouldnt be negative because it heals you just seems like a poor excuse.
One issue with the goodberry tactic, it may be entirely possible that you prepare the 70 goodberries the night before and then end up in a situation where the next day involves combat that uses your spell slots, but you haven't actually gotten to the meat of the quest yet.
You'll have less goodberries to go around for the day after and no time to make more before you need to start the game.
You could potentially get around this by being an Elf and just taking 2 long rests in the time everyone else is using to take one, but at that point it is entirely possible the DM will do something about it
I actually only nerf the nourishment aspect of them, but that's because I am a foody and love my party making actual meals. I have no problem with the healing actually.
No mention of Prayer of Healing when we're just talking about out of combat? Kay and ghey.
Quick side note everyone! With Strixhaven you can take the Quandrix background and get access to 2 cleric cantrips AND a 1st level spell you CAN cast with non appropriate spell slots. It becomes a spell known I believe. So, a WIZARD can get access to 30 Goodberries A DAY at level 1.
A giant ape, or, my Heroclix mini of Sasquatch, because Flavor Is Free.
The reason I nerf goodberry is the reason zeebash does. It ruins an aspect of survival. I make it so the holly is consumed on use. This works as holly is moderately available for temperate climates where survival isnt a big part of the game play... But in the desert or arctic or island maybe not.
Then nerf the feeding part of the whole spell, not the spell itself.
Also you can extent the time that the berries last even futher if you take the second watch of a three watch system. Cast it at the end of your watch and you've skipped 2/3 of that 8 hours of watch time that would have been wasted if you had done it at the beginning
So wait, Cure Wounds isn't a good healing spell? Even if I have a familiar to deliver the spell?
Excellent example with the sandwiches on saving goodberries for later!
uhhhh "when you use a spell slot to restore hitpoint" does not apply to "you create 10 berries"
honestly shocked kobold makes this mistake still.
Fun Fact: Revivify doesn't care if soul is willing to go back so you can force someone to be resurrected.
eatting good berries should be a free action, Me to the GM: I put one under my tounge for when i git hit"
Life transference is probably the best in combat healing spell for gaining more HP (not bringing back to stable like healing word) before L6 Heal. Nothing else can heal as much to someone with 1 action, things like Blessed Healer can help mitigate damage done to you.
Absolutely, I had to play this build myself to understand how powerful it is. With two levels of stars druid it becomes straight OP healing.
my gut feeling when you said dms rule that goodberry gives stomach problems is that maybe because it gives enough nourishment for one day? like its vaguely said but i could interpret that as its so filling that its all you'd need to eat for a day and therefore overeating them could make you feel ill. that or like eating way too many vitamin tablets and getting sick because you have way too much vitamin c. as a dm i don't think i have a problem with the spell but i think it may have been designed originally for feeding a large group of people like your party and mounts or helping civilians you encounter, as opposed to a lunchbox of senzu beans.
No where in the rules does it say over eating makes you feel ill in the first place. You have to find me that rule or else you made up the rules.
Life transfer and the channel divinity of the grave cleric is a double edge sword but is super cool
You know, after watching your videos, I'm starting to think Life Cleric is one of the stronger subclasses.
The domain spells pay the Cleric tax™️, that being you don’t need to have a bunch of mandatory heal spells prepared. Thus you can run what you actually wana run from the cleric list without agonising when you forget to prep lesser restoration or revivify.
The main spell the domain doesn’t give for free is healing word, but that’s only a single spell slot.
Unpopular opinion- good berry the spell summons good berries. The good berry heals 1 hp when consumed. Thus the good berry spell doesn't heal it creates good berries. Meaning clerics can't affect it
Thats how I originally interpreted it. I was shocked to see Crawfords interpretation. Complete nonsensical.
Vuman life cleric with magic initiate druid to grab 4 hp good berries at lvl 1
another refute against stomach problems is the berry gives the same effect weather a pixie or a tarrasque eats it
Until the dm determines that consuming that much fiber is bad for you.
Can you use good berries with other dishes when using the chef feat to increase hp recovery?
I have nerfed goodberry once. It was in Rime of the Frostmaiden, where a core conflict of the book, (the nomads in the frozen wastes being starving) was immediately solved by goodberry. Not by the players mind you, the ones who had access to goodberry were the starving nomads. Why would they be starving if they have a druid who can cast goodberry? Also just because something has healing properties doesn't mean eating large amounts of that thing is safe.
Point to me the rule where it says you get problems. How I read it is enough nourishment means you get enough. If you already have enough and you eat, you get none because you already have enough.
@@PackTactics I was merely refuting the idea that something with healing properties wouldn't be able to give you a stomach ache. It could. I'm not saying that goodberry definitely would. Just that it would be a fair assumption. Too much of a good thing can be bad.
I should also say that the nerf I gave it had nothing to do with stomache aches. I made it a bit more expensive to cast. To explain why the starving npcs weren't using it to solve their food problems.
@@lawaern3474 So like, you only have a problem with the feeding thing so why not just... Remove that and say no nourishment what so ever and instead it just heals you. Saves you the trouble. Players are fine with that rather then unintentionally nerfing the best part of the spell.
@@PackTactics A great idea in hindsight. But sadly that campaign fell apart. And my other games don't have the same problem with starving background characters. I'll use that next time if I run that campaign again though. Thanks.
@@lawaern3474 I'm re dueing the good berry video btw. Theres a few things I forgot and I want goodberry juggling to become more common.
The best healing spell is Animate Dead.
Better late than never, right?
Goodberry reskin animal companion goat "magic milk"
Healing Word is the best combat heal in the game.
Is there a reason prayer of healing doesn't make honorable mention?
My cleric using prayer of healing after combat
The best healing spells kill the enemies before they can damage my allies.
Ya this video makes me wanna try goodberry in a build and see if i like it.