Pint-sized losers, Tory renter U-turn and Susan Hall's downfall | PoliticsJOE PMQs reaction
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- Опубликовано: 23 апр 2024
- After Angela Rayner and Oliver Dowden stepped in for Deputy PMQs today, we react to the top moments from the fifth meeting of the two deputies.
We also take a look at Mhairi Black highlighting the latest atrocities discovered in Gaza, Susan Hall's continued downfall as the Tory mayoral candidate and the government's shocking economic record.
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Best episide yet. Ava: 80s, Oli: 90s, Ed: timeless
Yes.
I generally agree with Ava in that going after any aspect of someone's appearance is lowest-common-denominator and lacks heft. However, I think it's important to remember that no amount of Labor minding their P's and Q's will induce the Tories into fighting an election honorably or actually engaging on the issues.
Plus he is actually a titchy little short arse and a sociopath.
I thought Rayner's line was crap, but I remember when Starmer did the same thing very effectively, with plausible deniability: he leaned forward, narrowed his eyes at Sunak and asked "why such *small* politics?".
She was Quoting Nadine Doris in her new book 'The Plot' where she called Sunak a Pint sized loser. To go after Angela they'd have to tackle themselves.
Thanks for the insight.
Its quite telling this comes from a random post in the comments and not the actual content providers. Maybe they should spend less time talking about leather jackets and looking at photo's on their phones and more time researching politics. @@1986Pravman
IMPORTANT CONTEXT ---- It was Nadine Dorris who called Sunak a 'pint-sized loser' in her book. That's what Rayner is referring to ;-).
Sunak was called pint sized by a member of his own party, then loser to mirror the "winner" for Boris.
It's technically a great joke that highlights the lack of respect his own colleagues have for him
And very racist.
4 leather jackets? Champagne socialists
The joke was not just the pint size, it was also a dig at the original quote coming from one of his former colleagues Nadine. Showing how in pieces the party is, she’s just using a quote from a former conservative?
I actively avoid knowing what Nadine says. Paying attention to her feels like a form of self-abuse.
Without that Nadine context, it just appears like a personal attack, when there are so very many lines of attack available around policy and the Tory party that weren’t used.
But one could still argue it’s a… low blow 😁👉👉
@@raylder6339 It absolutely is a low blow. And I know that’s a pun intended from you. But on a serious note, there are lots of people who were bullied at school for being short, there are people out there who are extremely self-conscious about their height. Having a dig at Sunak about his height, is pathetic and infantile, and the behaviour of a schoolyard bully.
Oliver Dowden “I remember the note in 2010 saying there’s no money left”. Why didn’t he finish the thought with “Well there’s £1.3 trillion less now and it’s in the pockets of the rich!”.
£1.8 trillion, debt in 2010 was 800 billion its now £2.6 trillion
@@SlowhandGregI genuinely think that the Tories don't understand that a larger number of debt is actually a negative number.
Tories, if a negative number is getting larger then it means the number is getting WORSE.
“Basically, he’s in a coffin…”
“Thatcher!”
Golden Boi is on his game.
Long live Ava Santina
god bless Ed Campbell and his onlyfans addiction
Stopping smoking would be a start
Angela Rayner surprised the Tories today by stealing their thunder by addressing the issue of housing. She successfully countered Dowden's prepared attacks and left him with no ammunition to respond. Dowden looked dazed and struggled to deliver his lines, which were poorly received.
I am surprised at the split at the table regarding Angela Rayner's comment about the "Pint-sized loser". There was no fact-checking done, but if there had been, it would have been found that Rayner cleverly used the words of a former Conservative minister who had described Rishi Sunak as a "Pint-sized loser". The minister in question is Nadine Dorries. It is interesting to note that, when Boris Johnson was Prime Minister, he would often pair Sunak with 6ft + treasury ministers to make him look even smaller.
If you need everyone to research your line for it to not be a disgusting racist personal attack, it's not a good line.
Turns on for more pisscast.
Wasn’t the “pint size” comment a reference to Nadine Dorris book?
This, or so I read.
If not then it was pretty cheap
Calling someone out for being short is no different to calling someone fat, or flat chested etc, or calling a tall person "lurch"
Correct.
Yes, which is an odd author to quote.
@@danmayberry1185 It highlights the lack of respect his own mps have for him
Agree with Ava: 'pint-sized loser' was beneath Angela. Otherwise she wiped the floor with Dowden.
Yes it was very low🤣
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Good old bodyshaming. One needs to be pretty flawless to get away with that nonsense.
SHE WAS QUOTING NADINE DORRIES, FOR THE LOVE OF CHRIST WHY IS NOBODY COVERING THIS
I am interest to hear of Susan Hall's downfall because I never imagined her having reached any noticeable heights !!
Are you calling her a “pint-sized loser”?
@@sfshinz There is plenty of hate directed about without me adding, but honestly she is an irrelevance would be my more general thought !!
She’s awful Kahn has won. I’ll be surprised if she gets any votes
Rayners fine. She's connected to renters better than Frank Spencer opposite her.🎉
I wish we lived in a world where attacking someone's appearance wasn't more effective than attacking their policies, but I don't think we do.
Have they formed a biker gang suddenly?
Lime bike gang
It’s the 90’s.
Have they bothered actually buying a bike, or do they just enjoy wearing leather? Or is it just for the onlyfans sideline? Asking for a friend.
Why does ava keep wearing that awful jacket? Is it expensive?
Feel like Ed missed a great opportunity to say he wasn't in the Gestapo during that leather jacket chat
I don't get this brushing off of the "pint-sized" thing. Would it be OK for a politician to call Therese Coffey a "fat loser"? Or, god forbid, call Sunak a "brown-skinned loser"? After all, that's just their appearance, right? So it's OK? Of course it's not.
The problem is that it implies being short is inherently a bad thing, and it associates Sunak's height with his political failures, which isn't fair. He's failed politically because he's bad at politics and his party has shit policies.
Think characteristics like short and tall are just facts people can't do anything to change that and someone's height shouldn't diminish their power so is an empty dig! I'm short and being called most of the names associated with that for me just highlights the other person's weakness!!
Well done both of you on reaching the keyboard.
being brown or black are just facts people can't do anything to change too. And it's very well proven that short people are routinely discriminated against on the basis of their height. Taller people get paid more on average than shorter people in big companies. Especially tall men. When scientific studies show people pictures of men's faces along with how tall that person supposedly is and are then asked to rank those people by how competent and trustworthy they are the tallest ones get ranked higher than the short ones. It's not as severe as race or gender discrimination of course. But It's still there. It still has real effects on peoples lives. And when you have someone like Sunak where there are just soo many other things that he has chosen to do or be that you can attack him for i be feel using his height isn't great
@ as a short guy myself that was very funny 😂
It was a reference to something Nadine Dorris said
There is literally no good reason for private landlords to exist. Zero.
Agreed, and I benefit from my landlords being my best mates and somehow my rent has never gone up in 6 years except once by a tenner. I don't begrudge my mates getting paid for making sure I didn't become homeless (they have money and I didn't) but exceptions shouldn't prove the rule. If there wasn't a profitable rental market then those properties would universally be cheaper and swapping hands a lot more, and I wouldn't have had to rely on richer friends having a spare flat they originally got for their son once he graduated.
I got lucky but still feeling the money pinch with a full time NHS job and cheap rent. There's a whole lot more people worse off than me and if legislation came through that shafts me but helps the majority I'd gladly take the hit to help others.
...probably also helps having the NHS mindset too, helping others no matter what etc. because before I worked here I was a right selfish prick. :D
Insulting people's physical appearance is either ok, or it isn't. You can't have it both ways. If you're going to engage in it, you have to expect it back.
Good on Ava challenging Ed’s defence of ‘pint sized’. Height is immutable and the argument it’s just “an accurate description” doesn’t fly in any other case (weight/sexuality/skin colour etc.)
I sort of agree. It's better to be universally consistent but height doesn't historically create the same prejudices that the other categories still have. They're different certainly, but I think Ed's point is height isn't something culturally limiting in the same way so feels less awful to poke fun at.
Consistency though is best. Better to not have a dig at anyone's appearances (although Johnson's lack of hair discipline is fair game because he's just awful, like a hairy moldy blond cherry on the shit cake of a narcissistic serial liar)
@@chromenewt I think you're wrong there, as height is positively correlated with earnings and things like social standing etc. I think it as culturally limiting as any other prejudice
I just realised that this is probably the one politics related thing I listen to because I enjoy it, not because I feel I have to in order to keep up with what's going on.
Thank you for enjoyable politics and the bants. You three seem like the kind of people I'd happily hang out with, and wished I'd had in my life much earlier.
In Wales, under the Renting Homes (Wales) Act 2016, which came into effect on 1 December 2022, Landlords must now provide a minimum notice period of six months for "no-fault evictions", and they cannot serve this notice within the first six months of occupancy, effectively ensuring a minimum tenancy term of 12 months. For tenants, the notice period to leave a property has generally been set at one month.
The prime miniature 😂
It occurs to me it might be better if it was renamed Prime Ministers Answers, and lets face it this lot have a lot to answer for.
Love'n'light you beauties - keep shining your lights....❤❤❤
Watching politicians in the house of commons having those exchanges is just painful. Vain, corrupt, greedy sociopaths. Yuk.
She did not seem nervous to me, quite the opposite, relaxed and playful!
She is Growing on me!
Totally on board with the sentiment around housing, but the specifics of why there is a problem are being missed, I think.
Most tenancies granted by the private rented sector are Assured Shorthold Tenancies which automatically become periodic when the fixed term ends (which is also when a Section 21 notice can be served). Fixed term vs periodic is important with respect to when the tenant can serve notice to leave and when rent can be increased, but in principle if Section 21 could no longer be relied on then security of tenure would be the same in either case. The big problem with addressing major disrepair isn't one of capital to pay for legal representation (disrepair which presents a serious health risk is eligible for legal aid), although availability of representation is an issue; the main problem is that a tenant attempting to exercise their legal rights will in most cases be met with a Section 21 notice in retaliation which effectively nullifies any protections for tenants and puts them in a position of having to accept whatever conditions their landlord chooses to impose on them under duress.
As usual the take is unrivalled in its inaccuracy!
Whenever Oli starts using political speak, all I think is, "oh dads gone all serious".
And I was waiting for YOU TO TALK ABOUT THE HORSES
It was Nadine Dorries my dears. A great and clever quote to use. Highlights the division within the Tories
IMHO Best episode yet. Ava: 80s, Oli: 90s, Ed: timeless
Ava, your points at 21.50 - whilst I agree with the sentiment of what you've said I think the reasons fixed term contracts be good is because it would destroy the prohibitive nature of these opportunistic housing credit check agencys.
Assured shorthold has been abused for too long.
Assured doesn't have to mean it pushes people to sleep in a tent or scramble for a home.
Mad that Ava thinks being pro workers rights is a socialist policy and not just a really good vote winner from the labour base and working class voters across the country
I think Ava meant a s21 not s8, which is eviction on the grounds of rent arrears. But as a case worker for a homeless charity, many of the people who contact my organisation are homeless or facing imminent homelessness because of a s21 notice. The immediate knock on effect is for councils to step in - trouble is they have neither social housing nor many landlords willing to accept their referrals. I know of families in NW London - with children at school - being offered accommodation in Blackpool, Nottingham and Glasgow. All because of the shortage of housing, the ease of the eviction process and the lunacy of unregulated rental charges.
"It's ok to call him pint sized because he is actually short" is probably the idiot take of the month for me.
Would it be ok to remark that he's brown, because he is indeed brown?
i heard the comment that is a line from Nadine dorries book>? Not sure as the veracity of that?
47:04 The correct answer to "I assume you got an A*" would have been "no but I got a D!"
Ava is wrong about Angela Rayner. She would have to resign, given she is elected. Also, a number of people in Keir's team know she is more relatable than him.
Don't know whether it's intentional, but I get the feeling Ava leans more to the right. Rayner wiped the floor with Dowden today, yet Ava seems only too ready to nit pick Rayner for calling Sunak a pint sized loser...A quote apparently attributed to Nadine Dorries.
Her point is that she gives the torys an out to ignore all the floor wiping before and harp on about her insult, this gives their base an out to ignore it all and play victim. She is entirely right. @@chrism3701
Love you guys!
They made Britain Great again didn't they 😂😂😂
Is it me, or does Oliver Dowden remind anyone of Piers Fletcher Dervish?
4 leather jackets, Oli? 4? That's insane.
@26:00 ish... I find the discussion around mould an interesting one. The discussion at this point was that landlords should be wholly responsible. However, not al mould is as a result of underinvestment of landlords into a property. I wonder what the thoughts are on tenants being held accountable for disrepair of a home they are neglecting to take care of?
What policy has the current government enacted? I cant remember any...
PLEASE SORT OUT THE AUDIO COMPRESSION - I'm having to turn the VOLUME UP AND down EVERY feW SecONDS 🎧📢🤷🏻♂📢
To Ava's point, yes Rayner was not on fine form..don't forget Starmer tried to sack her in a previous reshuffle and she had to remind him that he couldn't.
Ava in that jacket looks like a character in the I love it Kanye west lil pump video
Harry Potter, 'cool guy' from American high school movie and Irma Grese. What a line up.
Gestapo Ava judging the cut of Ollies jacket. 🤣
Just to touch on the point made about being on rolling contracts instead of fixed term contracts. The fixed term contracts only protect the landlords... They have no protections for the tenant at all. My circumstances changed part way through a second fixed term in which I had to hassle the letting agency to put me back onto after lapsing onto a rolling contract, when I wanted to move out legally I was obliged to fulfil the contract and pay the ramaining few months rent. People don't know this and it is never covered.
Calling him a pint-sized loser just riles them and draws their flack. Which is her job. She’s the matadors red flag.
I like pint sized pints in glass...beats litres in plastic anyday....but still would remain..still Angela is the best person closest in there to the community i live in
The suggestion that wokers right is the only left-wing policy left is wrong - note the announcement of rail re-nationalisation today.
in the US we have a saying all Hat no cattle. Oli might try all leather coat no motorcycle.
Politics chat starts at 5:52
That “no money left” line has been used for so many years. And the Tories are like “we fixed it.” How? How do they get away with still talking about it? When the legacy of their government is so so much worse????!!!!
It doesn’t matter whether it comes from a quote from Nadine Dorries. There are people out there who are extremely self-conscious about their height. Who got bullied for it at school. They will be watching this program some of them.
So go tell them it’s just a quote.
If sunak is 5'6" and LivStruss it 5'5" no wonder they focus on growth, I had a CEO who ranted about how he wanted to grow like Google (when google was growing explosively) so he laid off half the workers, thinking that there would be built in growth (unserved customers) and it never came back.
I have to point out to you that the "pint sized" comment was also made to be in contrast to Boris Johnson. She described him as their "biggest election winner" and then went on to call Rishi a "pint sized loser." So it wasn't just only a childish attack on his appearance, there was another level to it as well.
Ed tried doing the Wolverine haircut and got caught
What was that 50:17 cut after the cameron chat?
Doesn’t he realise we’re in recession
Why are the microphone audio leads visible on Ava and Ed's, but not on Ollies?
Pint sized piss chat today :`(
I'm a little confused, Surely Sunak is a half pint?
The news agents seemed to think the 'pint sized looser' thing is a quote from Nadine Dorries.
IMPORTANT CONTEXT ---- It was Nadine Dorris who called Sunak a 'pint-sized loser' in her book. That's what Rayner is referring to ;-).
Ed likes his women nervous…
Pause
Ava looks like she just came off the set of that Kanye and lil pump music video for I Love It
Little known fact that Rishi Sunak is actually a Smurf.
The Conservative party use the colour blue in homage to this.
Rolling contracts are better for me, avoided having to pay the leeches that are letting agents for nothing they'd done but are seemingly entitled to. They should make it so that if you issue a section 8 and don't sell within 6 months the govt can fine you 25% of the market rate of the property
Whigs for Labour.
Ava really shouldn't talk about jackets fitting. Her jacket looks like she borrowed it from a sumo wrestler. It's huge on her. It doesn't fit in the shoulders. Last video I assumed she just borrowed it from a much larger person in the office just for a gag. But that coat is big enough to swamp Oli too. Hell, Olli and Ed could probably comfortably wear that jacket at the same time.
Tune in next week to find out if Golden Boy finds out about the digestive tract of Wales! 🤠💜
I think Nadine Dorries coined the "pint-sized loser" phrase. Rayner was referring to Conservative views!
The Pisscast has given way to a Fightcast between the presenters 😂
Olly - the Mr Ben of PJ
Great pisscasting.
Looking forward to Ed at St Georges day.
Great
why are you not SCREAMING the intro anymore? 😲😄😁😆😏
What on earth is he wearing ? Ffs Barry Sheene😂😂
Ed seemed super nervous today. Fiddling with everything with those pint sized fingers.
There's a lot of lazy bullying here whether the target laughs along or not
Put the beer mat down.
Along with abolishing no-fault evictions, I think that if a landlord wants to sell their property they should have to sell it with a sitting tenant.
All the gear, no idea?
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Joe podcast ladies and [Applause] gentlemen
Can't tell if you seriously think they are saying "nonsense"
@@stefmanbrett91 I don't, Google does. I just do what the automatic subtitles tell me to do, which was more fun when it was mangling the screamed versions but I can't stop now, at least not till it gets it right (or they start doing proper subtitles).
I prefer prime miniature.
Section 24.
I think its quite immature to say insults like ‘so and so group is scum’ or appearance based insults. It’s too emotional, highlighting the current governments ineptitude with facts and figures is much more affective than just emotional insults. We need more MP’s like Rory Stewart who are considered in their words, not emotional. This is coming from a traditionally Labour and Green voter
"Pint=sized"
refers 2 Snak's perspective
not ht
A two inch Ed but plug would make amazing merch.
Nevermind the pint sized thing. It is hard to think of Sunak as a loser when he is so stinking rich. I think he looks like a stick insect in a suit. He could be one of those lizard people. He certainly has a very strange gait. Like he has a broom handle stuck up his arse. I thought Rayner looked slightly flustered. Shame. She has to be one of the more worthwhile aspects of the labour party. ❤
Didn't love the Pint-Sized Loser comment but beyond that I thought Rayner ran rings around him. Openly addressing the house issue immediately robbed their power and her jokes/points were all on fire.
Yeah but she gives the Tories an out to reframe the discussion around her insult, their talking heads will be running stories about her "unprofessional, heightist comments rather than the fact the Tories haven't had a single policy that favours renters.
Is Ollie really Grant Schapps? With his many leather jackets?
Is Ed a Mercedes fan haha😅?
Tommy is also pint sized
reports have gone up coz t4ere being recorded