Nike make the England flag bi, Tories commit to triple lock and Oli scorches the earth | Podcast #45
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- Опубликовано: 24 мар 2024
- Ed is missing under mysterious circumstances this week, so Ava and Oli break down the latest flag drama melting English brains.
We also get into Jeremy Hunt's announcement that the Tories will keep the pensions triple lock if reelected, and how it's thrown Labour for six.
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can't believe they killed Ed off screen like in No Country for Old Men. he was my favourite character.
Yeah but he was Scottish so... 🤷🏼♂️
Is he one of the Moscow terusts?
😂
This is truly the most unhinged politics podcast in the UK, and I do not understand anybody who considers that to be a problem.
It accurately reflects the Country's vibe
Meh, not very informative.
@@1dkappe lol read a book if u wanna be informed
@@hardy_har For current events? Guess you’re the guy to ask for up to the the minute info on the French Revolution. 🤣
@@1dkappe lol ok bud then a newspaper or a magazine or some publication that's actually about news and not this delightful mess that sometimes remembers it's a politics podcast
Has anyone noticed that since the intro hasn't been screamed that these are increasingly unhinged. Makes you think...
It's like the Two Minutes Hate. You gotta open up the crazy valve every once in a while, or it starts to build up.
The flag must go. We can't have them getting confused part way through a match and trying to play for both sides.
Why isn’t adult social care nationalised? The government pay a ridiculous amount for it why should they be paying private companies profits? It’s madness. Local councils are spending 10’s of thousands of pounds a WEEK for some INDIVIDUAL peoples social care needs, which rightfully should be paid for by the state when a person can’t afford it. Why aren’t the government providing this at cost? Just more draining of the public state wealth straight into the pockets of super wealthy companies and people.
Hit the nail on the head!! Need more people like you in politics.
Tories gonna asset-strip. If you cut them in-half it literally says “asset-strip” all the way through, like a stick of rock! 😂
Well said Oli about benefits - I work with many very poor pensioners - and remember we will all be pensioners eventually.
except Ed
Oli going for the paint me like a french girl look
As a Bi-Guy™️, being declared an issue by the entire political class is something to be proud of for all of us
I’ve recommended this podcast to someone at work and I am worried this will be the first episode they watch hahaha
This is my first time watching this podcast, and I was hoping they were all like this hahaha
@@JawSnl93They are
Oli legit gutted they made a slack channel without him.
I feel it's age based discrimination that I, a 28 year old can not claim a state pension.
Yes. if I'm planning to die at 40, why can't I get my pension at 30?
@@diabl2masterBecause everyone always plans to die in ten years time
As bi man can confirm, ufc and footy are a turn on. 😂
As a sometimes tarty Gay I can confirm esp the UFC
I think if older people want a pension then they have to support improving the lives of younger people. And generally not ruining the country for 14 years.
If no affordable house then no pension, no free education and training then no pension.
Still amazes me that pensions aren’t means tested, my 80yo parents are both on 35K+ final salary pensions and consider the state pension as holiday / wine money. In what world does this make sense!?
The world where they paid for it.
As a wrinkly, I sympathise with all your woes, Ava. Don't fall into the trap (set by those who want to exploit an inter generational divide as a diversion from the real issues) of blaming the elderly for their relative good fortune. You have the right to all the benefits enjoyed by my generation. That's what you should be demanding as an entitlement. Hopefully, as political leaders emerge from your age group that will happen. What's really required is a revamp of capitalism running amok.
Btw, I can tell you from experience that a considerable wedge of our time and money is going to compensate for our children and grandchildren's shortfalls, not on luxurious lifestyles.
Agreed. I think more and more older people are seeing their kids struggle, and realizing (and having to pay for) the problem. It's kinda like Brexit. It was all pretty theoretical for a while, but people are starting to experience that drop in living standards and public opinion is shifting even amongst the older generations that voted for it. Having said that, the fact that no political party feels able to drop the triple lock on pensions shows you that they still overwhelmingly expect pensioners to vote for their own interests (which to be fair, in a cost of living crisis with insane energy costs, who can blame them?).
Exactly. I'm 33, single parent working 45 hours a week.
My mum is in her mid 60s and working in the NHS. My landlord is upping my rent to an exorbitant amount, more than double my mum's mortgage, on a smaller property in a less desirable location. The rent they want is almost half my (also nhs) wage.
So she is helping me out by taking money out of her house so I have a deposit to buy a house, in the area I am in now, where the mortgage would be half the rent I'm paying. So while she has more wealth than me, she's not using it to live the life of Riley. She's using it to stop her daughter and grandson from becoming homeless.
I'm very fortunate that I have a parent who is willing and able to help me out in this manner. Many many working people my age are just, well, fucked.
I was born in 88, I paid the lower amount of student loan and also maintenance loans. When it was agreed we were told the interest was locked around 1% - I believe the loans were then sold to SLC and the interest rates sky rocketed.
The main issue is that there’s no competition, you can’t choose to move your loan to a company with better rate so SLC has no incentive to lower their rates.
The flag thing is ridiculous, because on the one hand, I really don't care, but on the other hand, from a design perspective, I really hate it and think it clashes with the shirt. However, I'm going to get over that trauma by not buying an 85 quid shirt made for 3 quid in Indonesia. Extreme, I know.
Having said that, a quick business idea. Hire a factory to make knock-offs with a red St. George's flag and make a fortune from the gammons.
Amazing. In a week you'll be swimming in a pool of your own gold like scrooge mcduck
Ed and Ava travel vlog in Cornwall will be dropping when? Seriously we need that...
So I'm a member of the generation that Oli was talking about as the next voting cohort and he's entirely right.
As of right now the current government has either provided nothing for me and my family, or actively been made more difficult as a direct consequence of their decisions.
But hes also right about how my vote isn't exactly going to be the game changer that I'd like it to be, Kier Starmer's Labour party is better than the current but its absolutely not what I want or need.
wait until you find out there is no difference between them and democracy is a big fat lie.
"better than the current" is also like getting stabbed then the stabber asking if the next stab should be with a pocket knife instead of a bowie knife. You're still getting stabbed but the damage is a little less.
Gets weirder and weirder. And I'm here for it.
Peter Bone has no reason to keep the 'severence pay' - it's not actually severance.
MPs are entitleds to a payment designed to help them transition back into normal employment because their jobs can be revoked suddenly (seriously just have to ignore the double standards for a moment...) and are therefore seen as being potentially too precarious in nature to attract potential MPs.
As he is old enough to now recieve the pension, there is no qualification for the seperate transition payments.
I apologise for not remembering the technical terminology for the payment scheme, but it's all freely available to look u if anyone cares.
Peter Bone is just too much an entitled self-serving prick to know the basics of his own employment contract...
You can't try and stage a coup against someone who's seen both Dune 1 *and* 2
Underrated comment
The entire end segment was an all timer 🤣
Absolutely GOATED segment.
The last ten minutes was like series 5 of Breaking Bad 😂
I'd love to see the video analytics of how many people stopped watching as soon as Oli mentioned that Turkish oil wrestling was on RUclips.
Been there already I promise
Interesting you mention to LGBT+ relation to the flag colours; had the England team chosen to wear a top of that style at the World Cup in Qatar those politicians would have likely hailed it as patriotic support of peoples rights. Does that not just prove how much of a joke it is ?
Fight Fight Fight.👏Came for the news, stayed for the smack talk.
Hi. Long time viewer, lover of the pod & hater of noncers 😊. I'm slightly hearing impaired, and the way the microphone sits it covers your mouth, which makes it harder to understand what you're saying. Any chance u could adjust the position of the mics so we can see you speak? Thanks a mil, Mark.
fyi, the bi flag is blue purple and pink. This sure is not that. Nor do we claim this batshit argument lol
Nike have said that they were inspired by the 1966 training kit. It had blue and red stripes on the cuffs. From a distance, in photos I’ve seen, they merge and give the appearance of blue purple and red stripes. I’ve not seen a single pride flag for any group that matches those colours or gives a better explanation for the colours than that.
what argument
To clarify one thing.
The Thin Blue Line patch in the UK does have a completely different meaning than it does in the US.
It is seen as a mark of remembrance for officers who have lost their lives on duty. Families of the bereaved often receive charitable donations from sales of TBL patches or other items.
Not “to reserve the right to stand on a black man’s neck”…
Just poor optics then.
As a former employee of the brand, can confirm it is officially Nik-ee. I still feel like an idiot saying it that way though 😂
But is the first part pronounced Nai or Nee?
@@stevied667iswin we were taught Nai for the brand, Nee for the Greek goddess
As the intro becomes more subdued, the podcast itself becomes more bananas
this is my favourite podcast so far, truly entertaining stuff. especially the end !!
I know in the grand scheme of things this flag issue really doesn't matter but those colours aren't even the bi flag colours. They're supposed to be an homage to the 1966 England kit so all this outrage about it being 'woke' is literally over nothing.
The easily triggered will never stop claiming things are 'woke', even when they are not. The amount of time they spend moaning about 'woke' really could be put to better, more productive use. And to think they call other people snowflakes.
Seeing Oli’s world collapse because there’s a group chat he’s not included in is both completely relatable and hilarious at the same time… bless the lad
Weird ASMR intro, I wish I wasn’t listening with headphones 😂
Also the discourse around bisexuality while Oli is failing to sit properly in a chair and revealing his cuffed trousers is either the best meme this pod has produced or the sweetest bit of irony this pod has produced
Ava deadpan responses all make me laugh and her reads of Oli are always good.
#Ava4PM
LOVE THE THUMBNAIL
Oli stumbling into the dead internet theory.
Nike don't need to "convince" me to buy a new pair of trainers every 6 months as Ed put it. Due to being flat footed and a tendency to push down harder on my left foot, I unfortunately have to replace my Nike's roughly every 6 months due to them being worn in. I felt I should say this for the sake of balance and I'm hoping this will be prioritised in the next PMQs.
Ava, you have such knowledge of the benefits system- please do more on this. No one seems to understand the perverse and degrading nature of the system and how it drives you into not just poverty and debt but absolute despair… which in turn leads to such awful MH that it becomes almost impossible to lift yourself out.
At work and my headphones were not connected, so everyone just heard Oli's ASMR intro - Thanks, that wasn't awkward at all lol.
This podcast is on another level
In the sub basement.
Ooh don’t call the pension a benefit Oli you’ll make some people very mad. The type of pensioners that see other benefit claimants as scroungers.
Just curious but how many of any of those in the upper classes who shouted the loudest have ever served their country in any kind of a military or patriotic sense beyond looking after themselves and their own stables !!
Pride is a sin ,a flag is a symbol of national pride ,so I conclude that flags are sinful.
Can't believe the Slack channel isn't called Fall of Jome
Banger episode 🫡
This might be the funniest episode so far
Just another example of people who aren't in the group, hating on those that are..
I believe Nike came out two weeks before the shirt came out and said it’s about the London Fashion scene. So all this controversy is a load of nonsense
I imagine the argument for keeping the state pension equal for all is similar to that of social security in the US. It becomes an engrained part of the culture that makes is really hard for politicians to cut. If you start tiering it, I can almost guarantee what will happen is that, over time, the lowest tier will fall further and further behind any higher tiers.
The ending is an all timer
1:01:58 Ollie is going for new compost for the garden.😂😂
🏴 like this but cat
⬆️ underrated comment 😂🏴
@@SashaGrace94 I'm glad someone enjoyed this 😎
These podcasts can be tedious but I just watch it for Oli
amen
There was a Tifo IRL shaped hole in my life, a podcast about something that’s not really about that something.
Genius move from you guys to do a serious podcast for those who want it, and a silly podcast for troglodytes like me who need their politics finely grated and sprinkled over a pizza like a child.
The Athletic decided to go super serious and lost a lot of people (think they’re slowly bringing it back now, corporate realising their error) but you guys absolutely nail it in the last two episodes, which have been my first two listens.
Don’t change.
The best part about the Fall of Rome Slack channel is that the company pays for it.
Hahahaha i love you dragging ed when hes not in
15:10 had me dying
I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the state being 'there for you' years ago. Look at some of the pictures of Glasgow tenements in the 1970s. They look like they were taken in Victorian times. Where pensioners sense of entitlement comes from (not unreasonably) is that they've paid national insurance their whole life, which they were told is a pension, and so expect to be able to claim that when they retire. The issue, of course, is that they were never really paying into a pension, they were just paying tax (which paid for the pensioners of the time) and being promised the taxes of future generations in return. And this becomes a difficult prospect when wages haven't increased in real terms in years, and you're cutting services for younger people left, right and centre. The triple lock is fine in principle, but you can't on the one hand guarantee increases for pensioners, while on the other hand refuse an equivalent pay rise for nurses, teachers, police, etc, never mind people on benefits. Either there's not enough money or there is (and there is, it just isn't being collected from the right places). If there isn't, then why should pensioners be immune to that economic fact?
I do have to generalise a little here, and caveat that I know Not All People of a generation are the same etc etc
but this is the society and economy they shaped. Why should they be shielded from the country they collectively created?
My dad loves GBbies and I fucking knew that it would only take a couple of days for him to be angry over the purple Cross and the old Olympics blue uniform 😂 it's so pathetic! And I'm the one he calles a snowflake 😂MAKE IT MAKE SENSE 🤣
good to see oli embracing bisexual culture by using a chair as awkwardly as possible!
Oli's stockpiling salt and getting ready to enter his Cato era. Delenda est Slackago!
The state pension is taxable so if you have an extra income from your savings or work pension you pay tax. Also the state pension here is the lowest in Europe.
I 💜 the Bri'ish flag that the free hand of the market has drawn!!! 🤠
I know this is the least important part of the pod but.... Ed and Ava if you want cycling seat advice, I am here. Protect your bums people! :-)
What a surprisingly pleasant ASMR introduction😆
As a bi guy I think Oli is right: the bi flag is uggo. The colours are too similar. I tend to use the finsexual flag instead but nobody knows wtf that is. Much prefer the pan flag since it always reminds me of neapolitan ice cream
Worst flag is deffo the non-binary one, and I say that as a non-binary person. Think we were at the back of the line when they were handing out colours.
If they just stopped buying coffee, paying for netflix
Anyone seen the ukip purple union jack?
Bi people, we're happy to fade into the background thank you :D
So are we saying that Olly would be a Prison "bone" flasher ?
I think benefits should be linked to the median salary, personally. I also think that MP's salaries should be too. That would create the incentive where if politicians want to elderly vote, they have to create good opportunities for working people. It would also mean that we don't end up in a situation, which is inevitably going to happen if we carry on as we are, where the taxes raised from people working can't cover the cost of the pensions of people who have retired. Long-term, it would be better to make pensions a compulsory government scheme that you pay into throughout your life, and the money is kept until you retire. Then when people say "I've paid into my pension all my life" it would actually be true. But because it was never set up like that in the first place, it would be hard to make the shift without cutting off an entire generation of pensioners.
At the moment, we have a system where people pay into the system, it's immediately spent, and they and are promised a cut of the tax paid by future generations. Which is a tricky proposition when future generations think that, "actually, you've spent the last 20 years voting for parties that have destroyed our side of this social contract, so why should we pay for you?" And I recognise that's a bad place to be in, because in reality, it's not the individual pensioners that have screwed us over, and it's not even one party.
The logo of our armed forces found on armoured vehicles etc is a black and grey union flag.
Theres some interesting weight distribution in Goddess of Nikkeon mobile 😮
The fear on Oli's face when Ava tells him about the other chat! The Fear, the hidden fear of the lost little boy that wasn't included, because guess what Oli your the boss you don;t get included in the revolutionary discourse about you.
As a person who cycles a minimum of 100miles a week. Get a saddle that fits you well (often a narrow saddle that just sits on the bones will actually be way more comfortable long term), wear decent padded cycling shorts (cheep ones will chafe) and then just do lots of hours on the bike and build up some arse calluses and you will be golden. No matter how long my rides are now never get any bother down there.
Arse... calluses? I'm both horrified at the idea and impressed by the sheer will power demonstrated
I bought £3 padded cycling shorts from Sports Direct once for a 2000km trip (actually bought 9 pairs so I could wear them without underwear and didn't have to worry about washing until the break points). They were honestly fantastic. No chafing at all. I did have the hard seat though like you said. Got a bit of aching on the arse bone though.
@@joepiekl Ah fair play to you. I've bought cheep ones in the past (admittedly not sports direct) and they had a seam on them that rubbed, they also chaffed my nips up loads (bib shorts ofc, I don't just wear them hiked up to my tits)
Also for blokes I've found saddles with a relief channel help (like a bit missing in the middle). Can help with the numb dick problem you can get from sitting on your perineum.
(I'm aware I'm not selling cycling well with talks for arse calluses and numb nobs)
"The worst kind of copper" is wearing a mark of rememberance for fallen officers. It's not a political statement.. The thin red/green/blue line badges raise money for emergency services charities.
There is a lesser known Python sketch about this.... 15:32
Oli “I AM NOT A NONCE” Dugmore.
Isn't this the same week that a football player came out as gay? Pretty tone deaf of them to simultanously be like "we need to destigmatize being queer in football" and also "but not like this!"
After Ava's tall joke I think she should take over running PJ, Oli has unfortunately lost it :D
Oli has entered his joker arc
Putting the vex into vexillology.
WAIT do they say "nonsense" or "nonces" at the start??
Nonces lmao
@@enemystand2981 ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT THEY WERE SAYING "NONSENSE" IT'S ONLY THE WHISPER THAT HAS REVEALED THIS TO ME 🤯🤯🤯
Your CAPS LOCK is on @@oldex6564
Where is Ed??
he's dead. - Oli Dugmore 2024
He sleeps with the fishes,
Gon hogwarts
I absolutely love these podcasts. Politics is now so awful and depressing, if a politics show is not full of this absolute chaos and comedy, I can't bear to listen to it. Plus, I'm a complete simp for Ava. She's so funny!
Chaos, yes. Comedy, no.
@@1dkappe you sound fun
@@alexhanson6577 Chaos and comedy would be fun.
i have already boycotted nike and thrown all the kids clothes and trainers away
i like the way the whole thing becomes really shit at the end
Oli should do more podcasts on his back.
Ava clearly knows some graphic designers, as her comments were perfectly pitched to initiate discomfort
Americans say “nai-kee.” The Greek pronunciation is actually something like “nee-kee” (and probably closer to “Nicky” than either the current American or British pronunciations).
The British pension scheme is incredibly good when compared to similar European nations pension schemes.
It will be the Union Jack next
“Nike” is Ancient Greek (c’mon Ollie!). In Ancient Greek the “e” is pronounced as “air” so Nike is pronounced “ny-kair”
peak intro
I think the difference between the Union Flag in different colours and the New England kit is that the Union Flag’s design is far more complex and the shapes are so unique and iconic that messing with the colours doesn’t make it any less recognisable as the Union Flag. The problem with St. George’s Cross is that it is so simple and the template is so non-distinctive, that when the colours are changed, it becomes unrecognisable. It just becomes a cross. This is especially true when the colour of that cross is gradated like the Nike design, rather than a solid block of colour, adding another element that makes it more unrecognisable. I understand that it’s not anywhere near as important as other things in the news right now, and I’m also Australian, so I don’t care for the English flag generally 😂, but I’m a vexillological enthusiast, so flag design is something I take seriously.
any skilled graphic designer can do it, and it took me just over five seconds to generate one via AI in less than ten words which is clearly still recognisable as the union flag
But it’s on an England Football shirt. If people can’t recognise it as a variant of the England flag when it’s on an England shirt, I’m not sure they are paying enough attention.
@@rob-c. A well designed flag should be recognisable even if it is devoid of such contexts. If the only reason you recognise it as the English flag is because it’s on an English football shirt, then it’s a poorly designed flag.
But that flag has appeared on England kits, rendered in different colours and proportions on numerous occasions before. I don’t recall any uproar.
And let’s not forget what Sunak said.
“When it comes to our national flags, we shouldn't mess with them because they're a source of pride, identity, who we are, and they're perfect as they are,".
He didn’t caveat that with “but do what you want with the Union Jack as it’s so iconic you can’t mistake it”.
And given he was just jumping on a band wagon, he obviously felt he was reflecting the general sentiment.
@@maddenedgeek7726 but my point is it has the context, so it doesn’t matter that they’ve changed the tone of a colour - despite how unrecognisable you think it is.
Still watching 😶