Tech brothers, SNP extremists and no more sex ed | PoliticsJOE reacts to PMQs
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- Опубликовано: 14 май 2024
- This week we found out that neither of the main party leaders have good chat, and my god was it painful to find out.
We're chatting PMQs, and Keir Starmer's campaign to undermine the Tories on the right. We also consider who the SNP would issue their first fatwa on, after Rishi Sunak compared them to the Islamic Republic of Iran.
Finally, we take a look at the proposals to overhaul the UK's sex education curriculum.
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The Rwanda policy isn't an example of Newspeak it's actually a textbook example of Double-think. Proponents of the idea are supposed to hold two incompatible truths in their head simultaneously when thinking about Rwanda: namely that the country is somewhere safe and yet equally it's somewhere so awful that it will act as a deterrent.
Just popped over from the podcast feed to get that off my chest. Please carry on with the good work.
Well it's true, but on a technicality. Rwanda is considered to be the safest country in Africa and one of the safest countries in the world. But if it were so good, wouldn't refugees be streaming there in droves? The safety claim is a red herring since low crime is only one determining factor in the desirability of a country alongside language, community, economy, geography, etc. And apart from anything else, there are no guarantees that Rwanda isn't going to turn around and abdicate their responsibilities towards the deportees, or allow them to fall into the hands of people trafficers.
Is it double think, or is it just lying? But it's like this weird kind of lying, where it's not a lie that's particularly meant to be believed, it's very playground-bully... like "stop hitting yourself", it's part of the power thing, they win by dragging you in to arguing against something that nobody even believes... so the bully shows his friend, "hey watch this..." goes up to the victim "stop hitting yourself!" and the friend laughs "oh yeah, hey, why are you hitting yourself". Like stealing billions of dollars from Venezuela and telling them to "stop doing socialism to yourself", and the more recent examples of "stop genociding yourself" and "why are you shredding your own charter, UN?". You can probably find in their childhood a violent parent telling them "this hurts me more than it hurts you". Being truthful implies a level of respect that bullies, by definition, do not have for their victims.
Missed opportunity for a Headline - just missing a comma.
“No more sex, Ed (Campbell)!!”
Ed is on record (see: The Pisscast) as saying that getting a blowjob is pissing in somebody’s mouth, so Ed could probably do with some remedial Sex Ed. Actually, see The Pisscast anyway, it’s fucking hilarious.
"Your 5 year old is gonna learn how to dress up like a gimp!"😭😭😭🤣
caught me off guard with that.
i’m a politics joe enjoyer and also a furry would be down for an interview 😂
As someone from Shropshire - I’m proud to have come from there. Also I’m pretty chuffed we got a unintentional shout-out which become a bit of a jib but hey… life
I am surprised no one knew the F was just an old script for S - you see it fairly often I'd like to think.
I’m sorry but the banter big hunter defection is Theresa May, who has never looked so uncomfortable existing on the Tory benches
I hate to break it to you boys but Ava is definitely the funniest person on this podcast.
SIMP
I would love to see her do stand-up Comedy!
she's so deadpan, I think the baker should sue
AVA MADE THE CLIP ROLL! OLI IS FINALLY BEING OVERTHROWN
Historians call it the Wars of the Three Kingdoms because England Ireland and Scotland all had wars at the same time that also affected the Dutch and Welsh
I think the Irish tend to refer to Cromwell's invasion more like a genocide rather than a war.
I do like coming here and to many other podcasts when Scottish independence is mentioned just to reaffirm how completely clueless so many are on the subject.
I mean isnt it similar to the referendum to leave the EU.
And Tories are acting like its the best thing since sliced bread.
Oi oi Ed’s had a glow up
thank you so much for making your intros quieter, it really was making me go "nah I'll not bother"
I know Ollie was probably playing devil's advocate, but civil servants are impartial and unbiased, but we are required to act within the law. If the Government changes the law, we have to follow whatever the new law is. PCS's issue is that if the advice says it's fine to continue issuing licences (or to send folk to Rwanda) there's no reason to hide it. More importantly, facilitating illegal actions may make civil servants personally culpable for crimes committed by their Department. So we cannot just take it at their word that something is legal.
That would apply if they were trustworthy. Given they aren't there's even more reason to want to see absolute proof that the action is legal before we facilitate it.
The English Civil War is another part of the Wars of the Three Kingdoms, and if I remember correctly in Scotland generally we do the parts of those wars associated with the Conventeers and Cromwell's New Model Army incursions into Scotland if we study that period. The True Levellers and Winstanley are great to study though.
I’d love to see live PMQ reactions from you!
While length of prison term has no statistical effect on recidivism rates, neither does poverty on crime rates. Unfortunately crime is not as simple as that....
It made me so happy someone giving The Ben and Emil Show a shout out
Re: defections: “as a haunted wardrobe, I have become convinced of the struggle of skilled artisans in the modern economy, so will be joining the international proletarian struggle. Nanny agrees.” Also sprach Jacob.
I can confirm that I am an SNP extremist. I put up a poster in 2014 saying ‘Yes’ and also I sometimes say rude things to Tories on twitter. I promise to cooperate with PREVENT and listen every day to Vera Lynn
As a PCS member, the issue is less "political impartiality" and more "following the Civil Service Code", which unsurprisingly includes "not breaking the law".
Unlike the Ministerial Code, this is part of our employment terms and conditions.
(Just a member, not speaking for the union, etc etc)
Why is there such a delay between released on RUclips and filters through for Apple podcast?
KEIR STAMMER
Underrated comment 😂
"That's why I married him" OMG that killed me!
wild that the auto subtitles are refusing to put in any mention of the diggers. inb4 the ep gets demonetised :P
Oli's contract killer line was smooth 😂
Of course furries listen to this, we're everywhere 🤫
Keir Starmer X Brian Badonde.
Bring back the lock in!
I got the Bomber Harris reference Olly, they're the philistines! :D Quality episode as usual
Philistine = Palestine (in Hebrew)
The selling arms to Israel argument is similar to the Tory argument about leaving the ECHR and introducing a UK Human Rights act. It would be possible in the future for a Government to amend that act and take away our rights.
It would actually be in massive breach of domestic UK law to leave the ECHR.
The UK and every other signatory has removed all laws concerning the rights granted by the ECHR from the statute book and underpinned UK law in the ECHR for those rights and have passed domestic law that prohibits copying over the rights into domestic law. If a country leaves they have to rewrite all those rights from scratch after leaving.
The UK designed it that way so it would be insane to leave. It's a measure to stop the rise of someone like Hitler again.
One of those rights is the right to life. If you leave the ECHR you actually invalidate every law concerning murder. For everyone in the country. The UK and the other founders of the ECHR designed it that way.
Also as a byproduct scrapping that right alone would also result in a automatic loss of the UN security council seat.
The practice would be, yes, but the reality of what the government is hiding is more down to the fact that the legal system has a massive Palestine sized hole it in, due to the refusal to recognise the existence of Palestine as a nation state, so all the laws that apply to the protection of foreign nationals simply don't apply... sop, for example, when David Cameron refuses to answer the question of whether Gaza is "occupied territory", saying things like "well I'm not a lawyer"... the assumption is that he knows very well that it is, but this is incorrect, as occupied territory is when one sovereign state asserts authority over the territory of another sovereign state, so refusal to recognise the existence of Palestine as a nation state precludes the territories being considered "occupied territory" in law. Israel also calls it "disputed territory", also because it doesn't recognise the existence of Palestine in law. They would have a very hard time defending their refusal to recognise Palestine if people understood what not doing so lets them get away with... as long as they don't travel to one of the 140+ nations that do recognise Palestinian existence. So this is what they don't want people to know.
Im pretty sure its not an f, i think it's how they drew s back then, dont quote me on that
I'm surprised anyone gets any Sex Ed, I went to a Catholic school and had literally zero, I left 6th form not knowing how long a pregnancy lasts, I didn't know women peed from a different part to the 'main bit' , I didn't even understand that everyone had a A-hole until I was nearly finished, I remember the specific moment it dawned on me. I was ignorant and clueless and could have done with some kind of advice about keeping yourself safe, or knowing how to say No to what you don't want.
There def needs to be some kind of basic Sex and Relationship guidance at some point, even for religious schools in fact especially for them.
Law and order is not a left v right thing.
how you choose to deal with it is though
But a major cause of property crime is poverty. Our idiotic drug laws date back to the religious fundamentalist Anslinger's, fear of black culture etc. etc. and Starmer is just parroting Daily Mail headlines. It's truly pathetic. 🍉
That F and S side track was unbelievably interesting. Thank you Olly.
Pisscast is back
Yay
Oli reined it in.
Boo.
@@sfshinz he refused to piss on our parade 😢
I miss the shouted intro, it brought a great energy to the start of the pod
I enjoyed the Bomber Harris reference!
Wassup my Tech br-br-brothers
The long "s" (that looks like "f") is just an "s"... The "normal s" was used if at the end or start of a letter because it takes more space. And old scripts stoke size was rigidly defined. It was still used in European printing into 1900s, because it saved space. There is also variant of "k" where the < is at the top. Reason for this was that when writing with a quill the angle and direction of stroke is extremely limited and downstroke is the easiest and most consistent, 2nd easiest is the left-to-right diagonal stroke upwards. So for convinience the letters were broken down to down strokes and diagonal upward strokes. These same practices just moved to print.
You’re telling me you guys aren’t on drugs when you record these podcasts?
I'd have to be on drugs to analyse the playground antics at PMQ's😂🇬🇧
Lyrics from les miserables....
"And what was right seems wrong
And what was wrong seems right!"
Its like ye old, is still pronounced th
“Hath” 😂❤
Manchester did a petition some time back, to succeed from england and join scotland
Top pisscast!
Jumpscared from the kingdom of Fife mention from Ava, first baby reindeer now this, we're on the map baby
I don't know if it's gaslighting (or... pisslighting) but there's been the odd spot of good analysis on the ol' pod recently..
Is Oli okay? He looked confused by what show he was meant to be presenting on the intro
7:46 “an _F_ like an _S…_ ” _Edit:_ Oh, *Ollie* got to it a bit later. 11:07 Well, here’s some info about it, anyway.
It’s the _long s*_ or the _medial s_ or _initial s._ It looks like the lowercase _f_ but it _is_ an _s._ The rules for using it (or _not_ using it) were pretty complicated, e.g., not using the long s at the end of a word ("success" becomes "ſucceſs") and not using the long s before an _f_ ("transfuse" becomes "transfuſe").
It wasn’t like the _long s_ was some kind of special case, so why use it? It was more like the regular lowercase _short_ or _round s_ was, i.e., used in places where the _long s_ “shouldn’t” be used, according to the rules. It dropped out of favor in the US and Great Britain/the UK by between 1790 and 1810. An evolved form of the _long s_ survives today as the slash [/].
*It’s a _long s,_ not because of the sound (as _Ed_ makes a hissing sound)-it was pronounced identically to the _short s_ -but just because of its elongated shape.
Who are the diggers, oh ed ed ed, you have alot to learn me boy :P
Ed not knowing that the Scots were absolutely wrapped up in the civil war. Couldn't have happened without them. Terrible knowledge of Scottish history 😊
I thought stephen flynn was entirely right about that exchange - that speech of Sunak's was weird in so many ways but grouping the SNP in like that was ridiculous.
Oh! Reoffending rate is actually quite low in the UK (25.5%). 70% in US
They're different metrics though... the US figure based on the number of people who are arrested in the 10 year period after release. The UK figure is for the number of people actually convicted of reoffending in just one year after release... so they're measuring massively different things.
@@annoloki Ahh thanks for clarifying
Oli has a point about music. 54:58. My daughter (7) sang Black Magic by Little Mix in school and my gosh, that’s some smutty stuff. I’d rather she knew about it from us and school than found out from her friends first.
The Pro-nonce Law was right there
love podcast hate nonsense it's the politics Jo podcast ladies and [Applause] gentlemen
hi ed. fife mentioned !!!
Maybe someone can explain how asking whether any of the criminals being released early are dangerous is a right wing question?
I can guarantee that furries do listen to this.
Source: hi it's me
29:44 😅
Iron brewtin!
Getting Starmer and Sunak mixed up, give it a week and they will be pressuring Starmer for parroting Sunaks words anyway.
Ed needs to resit his gcse history
As he is Scottish he never sat gcse and we don't learn the ENGLISH Civil War much in Scotland
National 5s in Scotland.
@h-Qalziel sorry guys I literally didn't know you didn't have gcse, showing the English ignorance lol all power to the the red Clydeside
Bearing in mind some of the discussion was about Sex Ed, I was dissapointed Ava didn't discuss Poppers this week...
Long s survived into the 18th century, as might be indicated by its use in print from the civil war in the 1600s. The transition between Middle English and Early Modern English has occurred by the time Shakespeare was about, viz. late 16.
As a certified fifer, why the Fuck would you want fife
Ed with facial hair looks like an adult.
After his success playing Mark Mingey, he’s growing the facial hair to get into his new role playing the contract killer who drowns his victims in urinals.
Am a furry and a PolJoe fan. So thats at least 1.
Big-ups Ed!!
Is Ed beginning to channel his inner Geroge Michael with the goatee? Or maybe David Brent 😅
Tech brubrubrub.
On the surface he looks calm and ready to drop bombs but he keeps on forgetting...
He opens his mouth but the words wont come out. He's chokin'. How? Everybody's jokin' now. Time's up. Over. Blaow. Snap back to reality, at least he's not a Tory...
😅
Public safety is a left wing issue, the rich and powerful don't really have to deal with the consequences of crime, relatively speaking. Which is, fundamentally, why they don't care that a cheapskate punitive justice system doesn't, in fact, reduce crime.
Comment for engagement
FORENSIC
Furry here, what's up?
Of course it’s pee soup Eva is having after the pisscast
Miriam Cates 🤢🤮
26:36
Oh bottled water!
Not very green.
Speaking as a sex educator, thanks for your sensible discussion about this today.
ffs
Oli’s takes are shit in this one
upsidedownface?
🤠💜
I'm a furry
Pisssscaaaaaast!!!! 🎉
oli, it was about serving your sentence, not the sentencing itself. you have a fucking job at lbc, be better.
if you are going to be wrong, at least have a drink in your hand.
34:36 To be fair to Sunak (and boy am I loathe to say that), Britain doesn't in fact sell weapons or munitions to Israel. What we do export, however, are sensors and components for use in platforms such as the F-35 and drones, self-defensive countermeasures and other secondary military goods. Whilst selling any military technology to a regime currently on trial for genocide is a moral outrage, there is a level of nuance that is relevant. Unlike the US who, until recently, had been providing shipments of 2000lb bombs amongst other munitions, Britain can reasonably claim to be offering, at least in practical terms, only limited and indirect military assistance to Israel, despite the clear moral peril.
fs
Who did what to the sound recording? Also Ed. don't wear your glasses all the time it'll mess your eyes up more.
You talk about UK arms sales to Israel as if they were of any importance. The UK is responsible for less than 1% of all arms that are being distributed to Israel. Two countries are responsible for all weapons exports to Israel: The US (~66%) and Germany (~33%). Wtf is the discussion, that's going on in the UK about arms sales to Israel, about? Italy sells more weapons to Israel than the UK. Do the people that get all upset check stats, ever? 🤦🤷
A ban of UK arms sales to Israel would exactly change fk all...
Greetings from 🇩🇪
Ava just outing her parents as alcoholics is not a good look...
She just described 50% of lower class parents, hardly revelatory.
who cares
Get on with the actual political commentary 😓
Wtf is this??
A politics podcast uploaded to RUclips.
4.00 "There's no way I was getting picked up" Ava, tutut🤭 I love the English language and the 600+ languages it's stolen pieces of. 🤭 Ava, question why don't you wear jewellery or a watch?🤔 Sunak rule 1,whatever you say, LIE!!! I've smashed it through the backdoor, AVA, tutut😮
Starmer has conceded every single argument on policy principle to the Tories. The only way he can even construct an argument against Sunak is to effectively complain that he isn't doing his horrible Tory policy properly.
Just another reason that voting Labour is utterly pointless.
Utter nonsense. But, please, continue to spout Tory HQ propaganda. It gives us all a good laugh.
@@jackdubz4247 I hear this response over and over from red-team supporters , always without any substance or examples.
I know you love that Starmer has the right vibe and a nice haircut, but his policies are essentially the same as the Tories on pretty much everything.
Btw I always find it hilarious that an attack from the left is called "Tory propaganda" 🤣
@@jackdubz4247bog standard Starmeroid response - declare complaints of Keith being a right-wing turd nonsense. Refuse to elaborate. Adopt an air of smug nonchalance despite the fact that you're absolutely fucking fuming.
what defines Rwanda as unsafe?
Walking with your iphone out through Kigali is safer than walking through London at night
Probably something to do with when Rwandan security forces shot and killed 12 Congolese refugees during a 2018 protest over cuts in food rations in the Kiziba refugee camp?
Have you walked through Kigali ?
@@user-sd3ik9rt6d yep, at 12 pm. Through side roads even.
Have you?
@@tobypettit6417 did they have their iphones out though? That's the important factor here.
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 12pm? As in 12 noon?
As someone from Shropshire - I’m proud to have come from there. Also I’m pretty chuffed we got a unintentional shout-out which become a bit of a jib but hey… life