It would be a disaster We would have to start companies to build machines from scratch Raytheon is calling 70 and 80 year old retirees to see if they can help with stinger missle production Facility Mil industrial complex has become used to big paychecks and not having to deliver a working product When the truth comes out about how weak America really is right now heads need to roll
Just a snap of the fingers, all the heavy machinery and expertise comes into existence because federal dollars are spent, huh? That shit is going to take years today.
The U.S. has several "stockpiles", the contents of which are classified. What is happening, is that the new shells are not going to Ukraine, but into the U.S. stockpiles, while older shells are being sent to Ukraine. Many of the shells they received, were to have been disposed of in the first place.
We survived ww1 and 2 by scrapping and melting iron. I don’t think our military cares to do that anymore. That’s what annoys me personally 😂 seeing scrap metal just fly around in the wind. Literally, they’re rounds😂 That was a shitty joke.
@@User_1dashzero The importance of that scrap was often overstated. Here in the UK we tore down all the iron railings around people's houses and gardens for the war effort and most of it ended up getting dumped in the sea after the war's end. Amazingly decades-old wrought iron of unknown composition isn't the best material for making guns, bombs, tanks, or anything else the military needs.
The core of the issue is that U.S. production was tailored to address U.S. requirements, and U.S. requimemts tend to be centered around guided weapons delivered by air power. Tube artillery is more of a situational tool in U.S. doctrine, and U.S. commanders don't expect to engage in multi-month grinding artilery duals that require more rounds than our (previously) very deep stockpiles.
US production capacities were designed to support peacetime operations and low intensity operations. And this plant exists only because it's government owned. The private sector companies either went out of business or retooled for civilian products a couple of decades ago. Unlike us - China has been subsidizing excess capacities in their defense industries. We haven't. Immediately after 911 an order went out to mobilize a lot of reserve component units. Turned into a huge fiasco because most of the "excess" military facilities that were closed in the 1990s were mobilization sites for reserve component units. They called up those units - but didn't have any place to put them. The problem we have is that we aren't going to have the luxury of having 2-3 years to build new munitions factories and train a workforce. We had that luxury in both world wars. Another issue we have is wary defense contractors. Most of them have been burned by building additional facilities only to have the contract cancelled shortly after those facilities are ready. As a result - they are demanding that the government build the facilities and they will contract to operate them. This problem is huge in aircraft munitions and missiles. Obama's air war against ISIS used ammunition taken directly out of the 'War Emergency Stockpile.' After Obama left office companies that make the stuff refused to add capacity. BTW - remember the 100 cruise missiles against Syria for them using chemical weapons? It took over a year to replace them.
Yup and we are very unlikely to ever rely heavily on the standard 155mm shells when we have Excalibur rounds. So running down our stockpile of dumb 155mm (if that's actually even happening) is not really a threat to national security.....Another note is cluster munitions are obsolete in the US inventory so theoretically we could give Ukraine 100% of those munitions and it's irrelevant to the US stockpile. In fact giving them to Ukraine probably represents a saving to the taxpayers over paying to continue to store and then eventually paying to dismantle them.
@@rajaydon1893 Think the current plan was basically hoping that we can break the full potential of any enemy within a few weeks. Shock and awe and all that. Mind, all of the U.S.'s enemies thus far have been severely outclassed. But if there is a fight against a true near-peer power - like China - that refuses to give up despite being pummeled by all the expensive weapons, things might become problematic.
When I went to the army in 2003, we were shooting ammo lots from the 1950s. the charge bags would fall apart because they were so old. it wasn't until 2011 in Afghanistan that I saw ammo lots that were made within a year.
Glad to see a fellow vet here, so by now you should also be well aware of the true reasons for why went into Afghanistan, do you? hint: it was not a peace keeping mission, installing a modern democracy or fighting terror, I am pretty sure the major shareholders of a handful of US ammunition manufacturers have bought another palace in France, replaced their private jet and heli, and god knows what... the profits were very good for those scumbags, while we saw our brothers blow up. once it was decided by the owners of our gov that *their* mission in Afghanistan was completed, we left a ton load of stuff and just left
There are similar stories about 7.62 and .50 cal rounds. In 2003 troops were shooting Vietnam era ammunition in Iraq. By 2007-2008 they were shooting ammo headstamped a couple months prior.
@@sturmtiger7704 but that wouldn't be profitable for the people that are really in charge (not your "POTUS") wouldn't it? the movie "warlord" is not fiction, there are a small handful of trillionaires who made their entire family fortunes from inciting wars and selling their products to "fight" those wars. if you really think that Biden, Obama or any of those people were running the show and were doing good for the American people, you must change your prescription. selling old stuff is not profitable for those who profit from those wars, that is why even when old stuff is being sent over, it is bound to new stuff being produced, so that the people who own the gov can get their sweet profits off of it. why do you think everytime that old stock is being dumped it's always a "good gesture" and for "free"? it's not free for the tax payer, that is..
We are not running out of shells. We are replacing old ones with newer ones. Even when in storage, it will create more duds and misfires over time. Which isn’t something you want. It’s actually pretty smart.
@@GsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsssRussia and china are our biggest enemies.... yeh destroying Russia is totally none of our business..... 🥴Thank God ur not in charge of our country
@@GsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsssDestroying Russias military inventory is a great return on the investment that the U.S is making. But that’s why you aren’t in charge of making these decisions, because you’re short sighted and dumb.
@@Gsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsss "None of our buisness". The moment the US or collective West stop supporting Ukraine it signals to the Chinese that we are unwilling to help nations that are under attack. The next thing you know is China invading taiwan. Concidering that most of the micro chips are made in taiwan it is safe to say that we then would be truly f**ked.
The US Military-industrial complex must have earned so much from the war. It is definitely the one who is the most happiest to see wars to happen all around the world.
The rounds nearing shelf life expiry are the best to send to be honest. The Ukrainians are firing so many shells per day that they'll be expended before they go bad!
It’s nice that the US government has taken the opportunity of the war in Ukraine to renew their ammo and grow their GDP by increasing the production👍🏻 Taking advantages from wars yet again…
@@RtHonElijah They do not grow GDP, production cost money and it is verry expensive. They just print money, and what they have is recession and inflation, and that is happening in whole world because of US. One of main reasons why BRICT exist, besides sanctions and bulling.
So the thing about the US "Stockpile" Is that we actually have 3. 1 is the primary stockpile in case of war, not to be touched under any circumstance. Another is the training stockpile, we use to train troops. And the third is the expired stockpile that we sell/giveaway, these rounds are usually super old and on the brink of "I don't know if boom will happen". Besides that, the only thing we're giving away that may actually have any impact is the surface to air missile systems (not the missiles).
@@ericp1139the US army would never allow themselves to tap into their own stockpile. For christs sake even the training stockpiles are under intense scrutiny and every shell accounted for
Yea ideally thats the idea but Biden for example tapped into our strategic oil reserves which are only suppose to be used in times of war or some natural disaster situation just so he can lower gas prices lmfao.
your comment is the perfect proof that some people really stupid, Ukraine fight for its sovereignty and freedom from the imperialist occupation efforts of russia.
Due to North and South Korea’s war tensions the south is constantly building its military defence to plan and prepare for a future war with North Korea if it ever happens (when you seek peace plan for war)
Pretty sure the main filling is Comb B, not TNT... and yes 20km is in the ballpark of no-frills 155 rounds, but with Base Bleed (HEBB) or Rocket Assist (RAP) rounds, that range can be extended to closer to 30-40km.
I think imx-101 is the fill for the 155s and comp b is usually in grenades but I could be wrong. The manufacture can change over time and switch supply chain at any moment.
also shouldnt a longer round fly further? the idea that because theyre only 2 feet they can go up to 20 km is kinda weird, no? if they were the same diameter but longer theyd have better aerodynamics and a higher inert weight, meaning theyd lose speed way slower.
One statement was less than complete. The shells can explode on impact, but also about 20 meters above ground level, the most common variety. Or high in the air as an illumination round for night firing. This is a very useful multipurpose caliber (even including back in the 60's and 70's an atomic version).
The fuse is what dictates when and how it explodes. Impact fuses are less expensive, as airburst, reliable airburst explosive fuses require radar. That also means semi-rare earths, aka more expensive materials. Add to that a more complicated design.
Airburst rounds are completely different stock all together and "illumination rounds" are giant flares that are a completely different non-weapon thing.
I am from Zaporozhie, a Ukrainian city in 100 km from the frontline. My house located is quite low and it is quiet, but every time when I walk up to the hill near river Dnepr I hear cannonade.
US is making 24,000 shells a month. But Ukraine is using 6,000 shells a day on average. It is just few days worth. The only country other than USA that have mass production capability of 155mm NATO shell in significant number and quality currently is South Korea. South Korea Army is keeping 2+ million 155 shells in reserve stock. South Korea can produce up to 100,000 155 mm shells a month on a moment notice. It is more than combined capability of all European NATO countries (except USA). That is why Korea is called country crazy on artillery, which has long history of artillery. In fact, Korea is second oldest country which used explosives and cannon in war, only next to China. First canon use in naval war.
Not sure South Korea is all that excited to go into full shell production. There is an economic and geopolitical cost to doing so in such close proximity to Russia's openly close ally North Korea.
@punav7449 Yes, although it is one thing to have the capacity and another to actually use it. Turning on the war factories causes escalation even if it is not pointed at you. SK is surrounded by non-allies (Japan, China, Russia) and borders the antagonistic NK. In this case, NK has thrown their lot fully in with Russia(and appears to have some role in the conflict) to get an avenue out of crippling sanctions (which it already has to some extent.) So, NK can take the action as acting significantly against its interests. There is a chance that NK will start something on the border in exchange for open trade relations with the Russia and black market expansion with China. And, SK has a deep distrust of Japan, and the US naval fleet no longer has reliable supremacy. The last thing South Korea wants is major border skirmishes because even the chance of war would displace the millions of Koreans who live only a few miles from the DMZ.
@@montyalb8788 its not so much a factore of security policy, but its moreso a cost factor. South KOrean Workers are hightly skilled professionals, take them out of office and put them into a shell factory, your economy might not like it.
@J-IFWBR there is that, too. Before Ukraine, SK had slightly positive relations and still has significant industrial ties with Russia and probably wants to keep the door open even now. SK is slightly infamous for condemning Zelensky for provocation at the opening of the war.
One thing that isn't being discussed is the fact that bullets and artillery need powder (for firing the shell). That, too, has to be a resource that's strained and its also dangerous to make.
@@minimongo2620 That isn't smokeless powder used in modern equipment - nitro cellulose. The old black powder tends to leave residue and generate so much smoke, it interferes with gun crews. Nitrocellulose is cellulose washed in nitric and sulfuric acid. It isn't that expensive either.
My first unit was an artillery unit. We had the M198 155m Howitzers. 1/321 FA, the only 155m artillery airborne unit in the US Army. Nothing like seeing and hearing one of those rounds explode in a direct fire! You can see these rounds leaving the tube if you watch closely enough.
@@drappointment4509Forward observers. Also, there's a saying called "shoot, move, and communicate". You shoot, and get the hell out of there, because there';s something called "crater analysis", which is basically a bit of math used to find a good approximation where the shot came from. If someone does a crater analysis and you happen to still be in the area where you fired the shot that made the crater, fucked you are...
@@lonewolf333 so forward observations give you the coordinates of where the target is and you dial that angle in for the artillery cannon and then shoot?
7:37 Iraqi, 1991. One of our tankers was killed by our own cluster bombs because of an unexploded bomb. I was driving a 5-ton truck in Iraq at the time, that some soldiers needed to grab some flares from my truck to signal a medivac helicopter because a tank crewman had been injured by a cluster bomb that didn't explode. He died unfortunately, I salute his service and sacrifice.
@@Insertnamehereplz NO, U CAN'T!! WHY? BECOZ RUSSIA HAS SOMETHING THAT UKRAINE DOESN'T HAVE!! ONCE THEY USE IT, HIGHLY DOUBT IF VICTORY WILL BE GAINED FOR UKRAINE
I’m not really opposed to the US sending stuff it doesn’t use anymore, a lot of it has been older ammunition and older versions of stuff we currently use.
I find it funny when people get so up in arms about the amount of money we sent. They dont realize that that's mostly just the total value of equitment we've sent. And it hardly scratches the surface of our military stock pile.
Just like before WW2, an amazing sleeping industrial giant. The year after the Pearl Harbor attack, they could mass produce pretty much anything needed in war, from tanks to planes to ships. Read that in the year following the Pearl Harbor attack, they produced more ammo in a year then they did in all their wars since they declared their independence from Britain
Problem: we’ve all but completely lost the industrial base, talent & experience workers. Prior to WW2 America manufactured things, NAFTA started the death spiral for that in the 90’s.
@@c1ph3rpunk not really, it was really shipping things to china. Under reagan and nixon, we started to lose manufacturing as unions started to lose power and couldn't keep manufacturing here. Coupled with the impossibility of going bankrupt on student loans, the expansion of FAFSA which made it easier for students to go to college but those workers are no longer in manufacturing. NAFTA is honestly good as mexico and canada are the US's closest neighbors and some of the best allies.
After fall of Berlin Wall, usa should have massively sized down their military and not have entered two stupid wars. So much capital and talent saved and could be put into other use. When in war. USA would have scaled up massively anyway. And leap frogged over others in new systems. When needed.
Yes you're right but the majority of westerners' imaginations stop at how to create more killing and how to transfer more money to the wealthy whom they complain about non stop. The west are war pigs full stop.
Imagine if the world and all countries came together like in Independence Day the possibilities for the future would be endless we could have the technology and infrastructure to build anything and have a sustainable future
At least ten factories in the world make 155mm shells and all of them have upped their production rate and the US have a new factory being build that produces a lot faster than the current factory.
The US has not built and will not build any new factories because the military industrial complex will not invest in things that would incur a loss overall. The US has the highest production rate of any NATO countries yet it could only produce puny amount of what is needed. Now imagine Germany and the rest of the countries in the alliance, they produce incomparably far less. This is why Ukraine could never win.
@@gloomy5487 Just Rheinmetall in Germany can produce 450.000 155mm shell a year and is increasing production to 600.000. Europe will be producing more than 1 million shells a year by the end of this year
@@AlbertZonneveld Russia fires 20k shells per day, that is 600k a month. So even through until the end of 2024, Ukraine will suffer from ammunition shortage. You need to understand that after around 1.5 years, Ukraine has suffered an estimated 400k KIA (43k KIA within two months of the counteroffensive) and multiples of that wounded, bringing total casualty number for Ukraine to well over a million. Meanwhile, Russian has suffered incomparably less despite having 7 times the population (20 million Ukrainians have fled). We know this is fact because from reports coming from people like Patrick Lancaster, we still have mobilised brigades from way back February 2022 still fighting on the frontline. This is a massive contrast to Ukraine, whose frontline soldiers are always freshly conscripted with no experience. Can Ukraine suffer another 400k KIA? Do you care at all? WW2 seemed to happened so long ago yet Germany is still supporting NAZIs.
@@gloomy5487Patrick Lancaster is already proven to be a fraud and puppet he is receiving funds by govt to portray Russia as good guys. As for your nazi claims Igor girkin who lead the rebel movements in 2014 admitted on his own telegram the whole invasion/war of Ukraine was fabricated by Russia pre 2014 to regain old Soviet land and vital port cities to cripple Ukraine never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians not only that but girkin confirmed that the so called rebels majority of them where undercover Russian army. What a coincidence prigozhin said the same thing this was was never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians
@@gloomy5487 you are just picking the numbers directly from the kremlin (43k casualties in the counteroffensive? give us a break). Patrick lancaster is a clown and data provided by him cannot be trusted. you should have just said you are a supporter or Russian imperialism
The 155 mm shells are not filled with TNT anymore. 7 marines were killed in a explosion in Nevada, after that they came up with a new less shock sensitive explosive to fill the shells. They fill them with 24 lbs of IMX-101
I think they called it "TNT" because everyone understand what TNT is, while only experts and people with interest in it would understand IMX-101. Peace.
I'm not concerned about empty shelves in NATO arsenals: due to Russias "distraction", losses and depletion of its own supply there will be enough time to restock. Production is ramped up in all NATO countries. On the long run the investment in upscaled and modernized production is a gain of security for NATO.
@@ccreature7086 But they are more of a naval and air threat. No big depletion of NATO arsenals in this regard. Instead the spleepy part of NATO woke up (p.e. Germany) and taking investments here more serious as well.
@@gargoyle7863Russian artillery production is more than Nato and US combined. So nothing is changing. Russia is outproducing all type of ammunitions. Russia won't share any details outside though.
@@ccreature7086 true that, but the only realistic foe with comparable capabilities to US and NATO is China. And the most likely war scenario with China is over Taiwan, where the main type of ammo won't be 155mm, given the nature of the battlefield.
America doesn't lend south korea their shells its shells produced in south korea Think about it the country produces 100,000 shells a month why should it need to borrow shells from america?
That’s 8.8 million dollars of 155mm rounds shot EACH Day. EDIT: I don't think this is a bad thing. This is a lot of money for any individual person, but in a war and for what we are able to do to Russia in the grand scheme of things this is chump change to be honest.
8.8m is nothing, whole war in ukraine so far costed like 50 billion, thats about 7.5% of yearly US military spending, its very beneficial for the west to prolong the war and bleed russia
@@trader2137 exactly, thank you! And it's not like the US is the only one supporting UA. The entire west is helping. By depleting our stockpile we also deplete the stockpile of our political enemies. Since the west is so so much better off economically than russia, this is a war, that we will win.
"There is a global shortage of artillery shells" Never in my life I heard a sentence that was this fucked up. I mean isn't it shocking that there can be a shortage of weapons? What a world.
In 1995 the GAO wrote "The five plants to remain active (Iowa, Lone Star, Milan, Crane, and Pine Bluff) have a combined capacity to load, assemble, and pack 867,000 artillery projectiles a month during three 8-hour shifts each day for 5 days a week."
But the only active shell plant left in the states is in Scranton Pa. It takes more then just adding shifts to increase capacity. You literally have to build more factory, add all the necessary furnace's and forming machines. More robots, train new personnel. The list goes on and on. They are now producing 20,000 a month. That's pretty damn good
@@philipcramer940 We are up to 1/40th of what the Army said we needed in 1995. Which would barely be enough. Isn't our exquisitely optimized and efficientized industrial base wonderful? Next let's talk about how many Patriots missiles we build per month vs 160/month that 2 batteries in Ukraine fire.
@@k53847 One can probably argue at length why letting production drop this far was a mistake. But for now the good news is that this is finally politically and militarily realized and large production increases for many military weapons are being done in the USA and Europe. Production for the coming years seems set to increase by quite a bit.
@@Quickshot0 Well, yes, but in 2028 we'll still be at 10% of 1995 rate. Ukraine wants 20,000/rds day. The US fired 90,000 rounds in 2.5 hours attacking Iraq. So it's still completely inadequate even if they carry out the plan till 2028.
@@k53847 Possibly the case, though since then various kinds of guided weapons including more precise artillery have become a thing. So I suppose one could argue this some what reduces the need for quite as much fire rate as they used during the Cold War era... well maybe. How this works in practice isn't entirely clear. The modern comparison case for this would be Ukraine I guess, and it seems to achieve fairly reasonable effect at current rates, though obviously ell short of what they want, with the modern more precise artillery. And there Ukraine's usage rate is far below USA 1995 rates I'd cautiously mark this down as precision probably allowing one to get away with a fair bit less production at least. Another thing to note is, is that those 90,000 rounds from the Gulf War probably include all types of rounds, so including for instance mortar rounds, and this video of course is only covering 155 mm production. So total ammo production is actually higher, though still rather slow compared to 1995, yes.
Remember its socialism if we get help but its democracy we're fighting for so therefore it aint socialism to help the pathetic European nations lol. We just need a dictator at this point. Screw this globalist bs.
Not in the scale it used to be. For comparison, us production of munitions will reach 84k per month in 2028 (according to this video) ukr fired 6-8k munitions each day, so by 2028 they will receive a month supply that last roughly 10-14 days. Current production is much less than that, monthly supply last for less than a week. Meanwhile rus is already producing hundreds of thousands each month and fires between 20-30k rounds each day. Aside from rus monthly production (which was kept secret and only estimates by reputable analyst is available) everything I said is verifiable through western sources.
@@far_centristthe problem is if all hell breaks loose you can insure the allies will easy attack and destroy the factories crippling it, while USA and Canada will be impossible for Russia to attack its factories
11000 a month? Lol what a production …. Last November we bought 100k rounds from South Korea and it was enough for 2 weeks lol …. Russia on the other hand increased their production 10 fold
@@drmodestoesq I got steel in my blood. Steel in my Bones. And a Pittsburgh Steeler fan for life. I'm wearing a Steeler ONE Nation Under God Shirt right now.
Mind Begs the Question: If deploying Weapons,Mercenaries At USA doorstep(Cuba) - Not Allowed At Russia doorstep(Ukraine) - Allowed Democracy,Imperialism?
I have to say. Unlike Russia’s which appears to have pissed away a lot funding via corruption, the US’s really delivered. Yes we joke about not having healthcare and all that, but atleast the trillions we spend, it really shows.
Tell your kids that precision machining is a thing if they don't want to go to college. We've lost tens of thousands of them around the country when private companies offshored everything for profits. A skill set that is based in the US can again pay well...automation will be included and that is okay.
The US has alternative weapons to these artillery shells, such as air dropped bombs, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc. But the armed forces of Ukraine don't have the same flexibility or options at the present; hence why things like the F-16 or ATACMS are being pushed forward as options for aid by Ukraine. Peace time production and war time production are two different things and it takes time to pivot to war time production, but the US isn't really at war per se, so the US government wouldn't urgently ramp up production any more than it already has unless it felt the pressing need to do so. There are internal considerations within the US as well, as callous as they are. Increased production means more hours of work, more shifts, more people which brings employment to more Americans (a good thing economically); the same holds true for other nations providing aid from their own arm industries. Not just artillery shells but any resource the Ukrainian armed forces burn through including small arms, artillery barrels, vehicles and other associated materiel. The money being funneled towards Ukraine's aid/war effort is frankly chump change compared to the crap the US has spent money and American lives on. This is the cheapest war the US never had to fight. This conflict doesn't risk American lives, and resources expended go towards allowing an allied country to defend itself while weakening an old adversary. And in addition increases US geopolitical strength as other countries now know when the chips are down the US will be there.
before you can use F-16 you need to have airports. How many operational airports does ukraine have rn? im fairly certain its almost 0 tbh. At least if we want to have a level of operationionability that allows for use of fighterjets, which requires a shit ton, of logistics, technical knowhow and manpower. I think in german Luftwaffe around 10-20 hours of preparation each fighterpilot is spending on 2 hours of flight. Thats without all the technical and logistical work done by other people of course. Now immagine how you can run such an operation, whilst beeing under constant threat from russian airstrikes. It is not impossible, but it is very risky, and will cost a shit ton of resources. Also Ukraine will not be able to get airsuperiority with those F-16, and without airsuperiority you can forgett about getting close airsupport. Because giving close airsupport without airsupperiority basically means, throwing your planes into the trash. So the role of these F-16 would be to deliver Stormshadow and other longrange weapons, and to shoot down drones. If this is worth it, is ofc, a question that Ukrainian Defense Forces can decide best, but i would immagine they have more pressing prorities on the shopping list atm.
As some in the Administration have already said, we are at war with Russia. No risk going to war with another nuclear power is there? Ukraine will never have the strength to fight Russia even with our help. NATO doesn't have the strength to fight Russia and win. The US doesn't have the money to go to war in Ukraine since we're insisting on ruining the economy while planning for a two front war and alienating as much of the world as we can. There are consequences to having a foreign policy that says if you take our money, you dance to our tune; if you don't, we'll get you thrown out and put in a puppet. We tried to do that in Russia in the late 1990s and they decided that they needed Putin instead. We continued to try to bully them. That worked out well for us, didn't it? If any country in the world thinks that the US will be there for them, they haven't been paying attention for the last 60 years. We'll be there until the polls say it's okay for us to cut and run.
Why is no one asking if America needs them in the first place. They use them for training, but the US is primarily an air and sea force, planes and subs dont need shells. Shells are for a land war, and the US only fights one of those if it has to.
11.000 per Month x 12 Monts = 132.000 per Year. Ukraine needs at least 1.8 Million 155mm artillery shells per year (5.000 per day), Russia is said to use about 3.5 Million artillery shells per year (~10.000 per day). Setting that in perspective, this factory produces at full capacity in a year what russia is shelling out on a good day, or the Ukraine should be able to in two days. You would need about 150 factories like that to supply Ukraine alone. War is absurd in its efforts, ressources and costs - let alone the human suffering.
The rounds are filled with compensation B explosive not TNT. Only shells that use point detonating or delay fuses have a TNT charge. Time or altitude detonating fuses which makes you to remove the TNT charge. I would love to know how to apply for a job in the 155mm factor since I was in artillery in the Marine Corps but we had 8" self propelled howitzers.
TNT hasn't been used since the 80's, They started phasing out Comp B in the early 2000's, shells these days are mostly IMX (Dinitroanisole, Nitrotriazolone, & Nitroguanidine)
Thank you for the updated information. I'll have to try to keep that in mind. Did they start phasing out the Comp B shells when they starting using the new M777 howitzers? When I was in the Marine Corps, we had the self propelled M109 & 8" howitzers , I believe it was named the M110, but I usually get the correct numbers wrong, along withe the M198, & the 105mm howitzers. Till this day before the large budgets in the 1980's, which gun was the funnest gun to shoot. Either the 8" or the 105mm.
I have two questions. 1) Why are they so expensive? I know, they are relatively cheap compared to some other weapons like the Javelin, as has been mentioned. But still 800 USD for a piece of steel with TNT seems excessive. 2) Why do projectiles need to get a paint job? It seems so useless for something that only serves its purpose for about 5 second to get painted.
That “factory” was originally the locomotive erection works for the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad. It became surplus with the end of steam locomotives.
That is probably why it is a museum piece of a factory. It's antiquated machinery and systems that are being used . New factory with modern machinery and systems need to be set up stat.
Heavy industry factory changing program is pretty common. I am involved in company who has that story the other way around. Used to be weapons producer (till late 40s) now it's rolling stock
@@jackdbur Perhaps but #1 I don’t think the Russians can tell the difference, #2 the manufacturing country is not (currently) engaged in all out combat and #3 the process doesn’t look all that complex so why not change the forms and make the 152mm shells? (There may be political ramifications for that last one.)
@@maestromecanico597 Then they could not charge Ukraine the price of new shells for their old stock that's been sitting around for decades. Poland and ?Bulgaria are making 152mm.
That part where civilians and kids suffer the most. There no empathy as long as it's not my people mentality is what drives the world. I pray to God one day we all see each other as human beings.
@@karstenschuhmann8334 remember them days when it was funny when they were bombing Afghanistan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣never laugh at your neighbors' misfortune, once a wise man told me.🙏🏿
I think those that make decisions don;t pay taxes ... But for Sure I do :) ... I wonder how many I paid for and where the money went ? Someone is driving a new tesla from my part ;)
Krembots: "Russia will outproduce the entire free world just trust me bro." Also Krembots: "You're not allowed to increase production that's escalation bro."
Yeah, funding a gov that kills its own people,jails political rivals,burns down news stations, imprisons the press, cancels elections,has a military made up of swastika wearing proud Nazis,and bombs its own people is what I like to call "on the right side". We'll teach Russia a thing or two about holding our end of a peace deal huh. Peace deal brought with one promise from NATO,and that was "We will not move NATO one inch towards Russia" and Russia stayed peaceful,until we not only move a 1,000miles towards them,they still stayed peaceful, until we finally tried to move onto their border, and for some unknown reason Russia immediately invaded its border for no reason at all huh
It is cool to see Toyota trucks being produced in the factory too. Less cool to see them somehow end up in the hands of ISIS. As long as there is conflict the US will be there like the grim reaper to profit off the carnage and dispossession.
@Shinshocks555 Have you seen how big of a shithole America has become but somehow we have money for foreign nations on a continent that raped and looted the entire world but it's socialism if we clean up ours?
It's a shame that we aren't pumping out 10x this amount of shells 1.5 years into this war. Very early on it was evident that artillery was going to be one of the deciding factors in this war.
The war is over unless, you want to die In a Nuclear holocaust. Should of listened to all the people like me saying they need to negotiate early on instead of calling us Russians.
@@addanametocontinue Yes, we're building two new factories, one in Texas and one in Ontario. We're also expanding our existing factories, but we should have put more focus on this one year ago. Better late than never though.
Australia recently had a new plant open. South Korea has epic stores and manufacturing capacity. Russia cluster bombs are either air dropped or missile launched. Either is HUGE with massive unexploded rate. Most of the Russian cluster weapons are sent towards civilian targets.
@@ericp1139 There is a GIGANTIC PILE of Russian cluster bomb skeletons outside of Kharkiv. Also lots of video of them going off in the streets. This started late february 2022 and continues. These are HUGE compared to a 155 round.
@@ericp1139 Ukraine mostly prefers use their limited rounds to kill invaders. Russia meanwhile, like to bomb hospitals, schools, grain, and most recently a blood donation centre. There are also countless videos of white phosphorous being dropped by Russia and plenty of intercepted phone calls of Russians bragging about it's use.
We survived because of USA and other countries. Thanks from deep of our hearts. In the future we will have a monuments in Ukraine for the nation's who helped.
Now ask your leader to stop killing his own people, locking up his political rivals, burning down and imprisoning the free press,and canceling elections. I'm surprised more of you are not cheering for Russia with the leadership you all suffer.
I remember talking to an SF military friend in the late 90s. I remember him saying there will always be a need for artillery and foot soldiers. Currently this reality will make the difference between victory and defeat. Even with robots, drones and AI a well targeted artillery shell will shred anything.
Look at Israel, for soldiers will have to locate and clear all of those miles of underground tunnels. Sure, technology will help, but its still boots on the ground that wins wars.
I hear a very proud "The US tops the list". Of course $42,000,000,000 sounds like a huge amount and it is, but it's a huge country. If you divide that amount by the number of inhabitants, a country like the Netherlands has spent the same amount per capita. ($2,100,000,000 -> 17,000,000 inhabitants).
It's just genuinely wild to me that with all humanity's progress with technology and medicine etc, we STILL have to craft these $ 800-a-pop shells to fire at each other like cavemen.
NOPE THIS IS ALL ABOUTTHE FAILING ECONOMIES OF DEMOCRAT STATES OF THE U.S. MILITSRY DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL COMP,EX CREATED BY DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT 1933 TO GET TJE U.S OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS CAUSED GLOBAL GREAT DEPRESSION. PREVIOUSLY, U.S. ARM,Y ORDNANCE CORPS OFFICERS WERE IN COMMAND OF DEPOT COMMAND MANDATORY KNOWLEDGE OF MUNITIONS PLANTS FACTORIES AS GOVERNMENT, OWNED GOVERNMENT OPERATED, GOVERNMENT OWNED CONTRACTOR OPERATED, CONTRACTOR OWNED CONTRACTOR OPERATED AS CONTRACTING OFFICER.
Most of the technological and medicinal advancements you've alluded to are a direct consequence of those "cavemen" finding more lethal and efficient ways to kill each other. Virtually all technological comforts we enjoy today were metaphorically strapped to a bayonet at one point before being later repurposed to civilian use.
whats worse is that cheap drones that can be bought for the price of 2 of those shells are taking out more equipment than all those shells combined are and they are making shells instead of drones by the tens of thousands. Add to that fact that women and any 15 year old can be taught to fly a drone and could sit back in relative safety killing more Russians and their equipment just dropping genades on them and flying suicide drones into them. This while ukraine desparately needs more soldiers on the battlefield to me is inexcusable they could litterally DOUBLE their army in a few weeks if they used what their population, not only that they would have mecenaries coming from all over the world who ALREADY had expertise in flying drones, if they could fly them from 20 miles from the front in highly protected building, maybe even underground. think what 20,000 drones coming over a one mile stretch ahead of the tanks and troops could do to blow a hole in those defense lines and make sure NO RUSSIAN dared had his head up much less was firing when the main attack came. Theyd cut through those defense lines like they were made of butter.
Nearly every piece of equipment the United States has delivered to Ukraine was initially destined to be discarded. They were either obsolete or existing stocks were large enough that the expense of storing them was more significant than what they were worth. The only real exception is artillery shells described in this article. Still, the ability to rapidly ramp up production of these weapons is a necessary and often overlooked component of our defense capability. As the war drags on, the sheer quantity of the expended arms is changing this quickly. In other words, the arms we are giving now are beginning to dip deep into stockpiles the US requires to fight a land war anywhere. To which my response is... so what? Remember that these weapons are designed to be used against our enemies, and they are fulfilling that purpose by giving them to Ukraine.
I think you have more enemies than you have ammunition in your stock at any given point in time. People have suffered a lot because of your fervent desire to bring them your democracy and destroy their lives. You better keep it in your stock until "some people want to do you some harm"
Pertaining to Ukraine, wrong side, Democratic Nationalist Socialist Ukraine Labor Union aka Democrats aka NAZI Actor Comedian Volodymyr Zelenskyy :"Actor, Actress job is to lie, to make fake seem real", current Constitutional Russian Federation is s Democratic Republic, as not the same as the U.S.S.R.
the ammunition we are sending to Urkraine is indeed making an impact on US stores, but it will be easily restocked and the depletion has NOT effecting the US worldwide on site ammo reserves at military bases. That's the part the right is intentionally underplaying when they bleat boom and gloom about this.
The modern cluster munitions have a very low failure rate of about 5%, compared to the roughly 30% failure rate of the WW2 era cluster bombs. Ukraine is willingly taking the risk of using them on their own territory against the russian positions in occupied territories that don't have any civilians living there anymore.
@@Relax_be_Happy_FRWL..-_- why are you speaking to me in the language of the enemy? Upd: nevermind, I see now. Are you going to tell me now about 9 years "dambili bambas"? Don't bother :)
I mean, the US doesn't have to worry about depleting its stockpile lol. If the US really wanted to, they can make even more in a month but we dont need to.
I guess you’re one of those people who doesn’t consider unforeseen circumstances in their planning phase. These munitions are made by private companies using delicate supply chains that are running at full capacity right now. Making even more would require new facilities, tooling, and supply of raw materials. Imagine the lag time and achieving all of those requirements before manufacturing capacity is increased. Companies aren’t going to invest in all of that when the future demand isn’t a sure thing.
@@straat9066 one can hope war ends soon but ukraine war is probably going to last another 2 years at the end of those 2 years we will supposedly be a year or two away from a “conflict” with china over taiwan. I think the demand is clear as day there.
@@straat9066 yeah nah. In China they built an entire hospital in 2 weeks during covid. If we had the will we could ramp up production in that same time. There is no will since we're not at war and the US doesn't rely on artillery
I mean, China doesn’t have to worry about US falling lol. If the US keeps going like this, their debt going to be 40 trillions just funding for “peace” 😂👌🏻
wait those shells cost 800, are you kidding me? Lets automate that plant, increase production, drop costs and carry those onto the customer/US government. 800 for a piece of metal and some TNT seems quite high compared to other places
@remilenoir1271 they are my guy I get multiple reports a day on the situation, my mom trained as a diplomat to the USSR, my dad had 27 deployments to the former USSR, my brother is stationed there right now не говоріть на теми, яких ви не розумієте The Ukrainian forces have broken the defensive line in 3 places reclaimed tons of villages is striking inside of Moscow and has nearly entirely cut off the crimean forces from any supply lines, Ukraine is landing hits on the black sea fleet, the unrest has lead to now 2 coups, one from Wagner and the current one is by the ingish people and that entire oblast has waged war on Russia. I can keep going but I can assure you I'm quite up to date on the progress of the war unlike Russian trolls 👀
@@ConstantChaos1 I see people say Ukraine is doing well, but why haven't the war maps reflected all this ass kicking? Russia still holds all the land they wanted in the first place and have them fortified to the teeth. Ukraine seems to be throwing bodies to their slaughter against this frontline defense of Russia.
@stubbsd123 not really, I gave verifiable facts, demonstrated my handle on the language, and things like military service are verifiable with a FOIA request. If there was a major issue with my handle on the language, any of the facts I had given, or something like that then I could see it but do you know how many people train as diplomats? How many officers are stationed in Poland rn? How many trips for depoliferisiation the U.S. does a year? Yeah none of these claims are remotely unreasonable otherwise I could get it but yeah no.
A lot of that time is the round simply sitting around cooling down fully, or the paint drying etc. The actual machine/man worktime spend on each round is just a tiny fraction of that
when we first started producing nukes we were producing uranium and plutonium at the rate of GRAMS per month. And using the majority of the electricity from niagra falls to do it. They got 6000 TONS of silver from the US treasury to make wire to use in the systems.
US artillery shell production is still technically at ‘peacetime’ levels. At wartime level, many industries can be mobilized to ramp up production
Running low period…Biden’s a joke, Ukraine’s a joke…
what an incredible sight a modern military national war effort would be, don't WANTA see it, but hot damn if it did
It would be a disaster
We would have to start companies to build machines from scratch
Raytheon is calling 70 and 80 year old retirees to see if they can help with stinger missle production
Facility
Mil industrial complex has become used to big paychecks and not having to deliver a working product
When the truth comes out about how weak America really is right now heads need to roll
Not really USA is doctrine is relying on smart missles which will take longer to produce
Just a snap of the fingers, all the heavy machinery and expertise comes into existence because federal dollars are spent, huh? That shit is going to take years today.
The U.S. has several "stockpiles", the contents of which are classified. What is happening, is that the new shells are not going to Ukraine, but into the U.S. stockpiles, while older shells are being sent to Ukraine. Many of the shells they received, were to have been disposed of in the first place.
We survived ww1 and 2 by scrapping and melting iron. I don’t think our military cares to do that anymore. That’s what annoys me personally 😂 seeing scrap metal just fly around in the wind. Literally, they’re rounds😂 That was a shitty joke.
@@User_1dashzero The importance of that scrap was often overstated. Here in the UK we tore down all the iron railings around people's houses and gardens for the war effort and most of it ended up getting dumped in the sea after the war's end. Amazingly decades-old wrought iron of unknown composition isn't the best material for making guns, bombs, tanks, or anything else the military needs.
Shouldn't be sending them anyways.
@@trollerifficjust ask chinese! Melting bicycles to meet quotas
Yes the military-industrial complex getting their guaranteed pay.
The core of the issue is that U.S. production was tailored to address U.S. requirements, and U.S. requimemts tend to be centered around guided weapons delivered by air power. Tube artillery is more of a situational tool in U.S. doctrine, and U.S. commanders don't expect to engage in multi-month grinding artilery duals that require more rounds than our (previously) very deep stockpiles.
The US should have know that it would have to support another nation at some point. It's been helping arm nations in need since WW1.
US production capacities were designed to support peacetime operations and low intensity operations. And this plant exists only because it's government owned. The private sector companies either went out of business or retooled for civilian products a couple of decades ago. Unlike us - China has been subsidizing excess capacities in their defense industries. We haven't. Immediately after 911 an order went out to mobilize a lot of reserve component units. Turned into a huge fiasco because most of the "excess" military facilities that were closed in the 1990s were mobilization sites for reserve component units. They called up those units - but didn't have any place to put them.
The problem we have is that we aren't going to have the luxury of having 2-3 years to build new munitions factories and train a workforce. We had that luxury in both world wars.
Another issue we have is wary defense contractors. Most of them have been burned by building additional facilities only to have the contract cancelled shortly after those facilities are ready. As a result - they are demanding that the government build the facilities and they will contract to operate them. This problem is huge in aircraft munitions and missiles. Obama's air war against ISIS used ammunition taken directly out of the 'War Emergency Stockpile.' After Obama left office companies that make the stuff refused to add capacity.
BTW - remember the 100 cruise missiles against Syria for them using chemical weapons? It took over a year to replace them.
That sounds like a problem
Yup and we are very unlikely to ever rely heavily on the standard 155mm shells when we have Excalibur rounds. So running down our stockpile of dumb 155mm (if that's actually even happening) is not really a threat to national security.....Another note is cluster munitions are obsolete in the US inventory so theoretically we could give Ukraine 100% of those munitions and it's irrelevant to the US stockpile. In fact giving them to Ukraine probably represents a saving to the taxpayers over paying to continue to store and then eventually paying to dismantle them.
@@rajaydon1893 Think the current plan was basically hoping that we can break the full potential of any enemy within a few weeks. Shock and awe and all that. Mind, all of the U.S.'s enemies thus far have been severely outclassed. But if there is a fight against a true near-peer power - like China - that refuses to give up despite being pummeled by all the expensive weapons, things might become problematic.
I worked in an ammunition plant during the Vietnam war and it was balls to the wall 24/7! 105 mm howitzers. Paid my tuition to college for a year.😄🔥💥
you earn money by making weapons what a shame
are you happy to contribute to war crimes?
@@joeyjoejoe314 CRYBABY
@@WeAreAll1111and you apparently support communism what a shame
@@joeyjoejoe314 how's killin Russians a war crime? That's a fuckin public service.
When I went to the army in 2003, we were shooting ammo lots from the 1950s. the charge bags would fall apart because they were so old. it wasn't until 2011 in Afghanistan that I saw ammo lots that were made within a year.
I think we must have been using the same ammo bags in Vietnam but they were a lot younger.
LIFO inventory control, I suspect...
Glad to see a fellow vet here, so by now you should also be well aware of the true reasons for why went into Afghanistan, do you? hint: it was not a peace keeping mission, installing a modern democracy or fighting terror, I am pretty sure the major shareholders of a handful of US ammunition manufacturers have bought another palace in France, replaced their private jet and heli, and god knows what... the profits were very good for those scumbags, while we saw our brothers blow up. once it was decided by the owners of our gov that *their* mission in Afghanistan was completed, we left a ton load of stuff and just left
There are similar stories about 7.62 and .50 cal rounds. In 2003 troops were shooting Vietnam era ammunition in Iraq. By 2007-2008 they were shooting ammo headstamped a couple months prior.
@@sturmtiger7704 but that wouldn't be profitable for the people that are really in charge (not your "POTUS") wouldn't it? the movie "warlord" is not fiction, there are a small handful of trillionaires who made their entire family fortunes from inciting wars and selling their products to "fight" those wars. if you really think that Biden, Obama or any of those people were running the show and were doing good for the American people, you must change your prescription. selling old stuff is not profitable for those who profit from those wars, that is why even when old stuff is being sent over, it is bound to new stuff being produced, so that the people who own the gov can get their sweet profits off of it. why do you think everytime that old stock is being dumped it's always a "good gesture" and for "free"? it's not free for the tax payer, that is..
Scranton is seriouslly the place to Make Paper (Dunder Mifflin) and artillery rounds.
a place of death nothing to be proud of....
And Biden home town
@@L9r5cit all makes sense now.
It's psychologically terrifying for the enemy to know these shells came from a place called Scranton.
@@theroldan8013depends truly depends but most of the time u are correct at this time it is
I've handled 155mm rounds in the Tawianese military, it's fascinating to see how these are made in the factory.
I love China to
@WipeOutUkranisTaiwan
@@littlebigplanet321shutup
@WipeOutUkranis Taiwan is ROC, so your correcting isn't necessary. Taiwan is just the ROC capital (and only) province.
@@mycelia_owROC also has a small part of Fukien under its control
as long as war is business it will never end
in 0:24 you said that they make 11000 of them a month but 2:41 you said they make 24000 a month?
Eisenhower warned us about the military industrial complex 😓
Wars aren't monocausal and business related to war is just a product of environment
We are not running out of shells. We are replacing old ones with newer ones. Even when in storage, it will create more duds and misfires over time. Which isn’t something you want. It’s actually pretty smart.
@@GsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsssRussia is US business
@@GsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsssRussia and china are our biggest enemies.... yeh destroying Russia is totally none of our business..... 🥴Thank God ur not in charge of our country
I bought a new car, replacing old one with new one, pretty smart
@@GsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsssDestroying Russias military inventory is a great return on the investment that the U.S is making. But that’s why you aren’t in charge of making these decisions, because you’re short sighted and dumb.
@@Gsscvgggfdertfffhhjiuytdsss "None of our buisness". The moment the US or collective West stop supporting Ukraine it signals to the Chinese that we are unwilling to help nations that are under attack. The next thing you know is China invading taiwan. Concidering that most of the micro chips are made in taiwan it is safe to say that we then would be truly f**ked.
The US Military-industrial complex must have earned so much from the war. It is definitely the one who is the most happiest to see wars to happen all around the world.
This is Evil.
Yeah, we make so much money that you're red and all your generations will always live in shit. That's what you wanted to hear, right?
@@777dragonborn Hitler and Putler are evil. Defense contractors are just making a profit when they can.
Turns out the military had a purpose. Who'd have thought?
sure, but say thank you to Putin.
I worked on and installed some of those robots a long time ago. This is an old factory. Glad to see they're still running.
Because of the wars your governments create to keep it going
America lives by producing weapons. Of course they will work
🤡
Fanuks?
us government is still killing people, so they get the job off of it.
This is definitely the right business to be in
Ever wonder who profits from all these continual wars....
Ofc, it's a business that's been tested for thousands of years.
in 0:24 you said that they make 11000 of them a month but 2:41 you said they make 24000 a month?
Glad to see the military industrial complex is doing well
Judging by this comment section they have enough blind fanboys to keep the grift going forever 🤯
I was looking for ONE comment like this. At least one person gets it
The goal of perpetual war is not to win but to prolong.
Another war for profit waged by the bourgeoisie and their politician henchmen.
props up the economy and employs tens of millions
The shells made in Scranton, PA are probably made for the US Army to refill supplys depots after the old rounds were sent to Ukraine.
The rounds nearing shelf life expiry are the best to send to be honest. The Ukrainians are firing so many shells per day that they'll be expended before they go bad!
It’s nice that the US government has taken the opportunity of the war in Ukraine to renew their ammo and grow their GDP by increasing the production👍🏻 Taking advantages from wars yet again…
@@RtHonElijah
They do not grow GDP, production cost money and it is verry expensive.
They just print money, and what they have is recession and inflation, and that is happening in whole world because of US.
One of main reasons why BRICT exist, besides sanctions and bulling.
@@DangerB0ne they dont really expire the rounds produced for ww2 and the korean war were still being used in iraq and afghanistan
@@RtHonElijah You forgot to mention the part about giving it all away.
So the thing about the US "Stockpile" Is that we actually have 3. 1 is the primary stockpile in case of war, not to be touched under any circumstance. Another is the training stockpile, we use to train troops. And the third is the expired stockpile that we sell/giveaway, these rounds are usually super old and on the brink of "I don't know if boom will happen".
Besides that, the only thing we're giving away that may actually have any impact is the surface to air missile systems (not the missiles).
Ideally, yes. But do you trust the US government to abide by those disciplines?
Who do you think we'll fire 155s at? China? Check the width of the Taiwan Strait - we are not landing in mainland China.
@@ericp1139the US army would never allow themselves to tap into their own stockpile. For christs sake even the training stockpiles are under intense scrutiny and every shell accounted for
Yea ideally thats the idea but Biden for example tapped into our strategic oil reserves which are only suppose to be used in times of war or some natural disaster situation just so he can lower gas prices lmfao.
@@ericp1139a country so keen on national security you think they want to burn through their own supply ?
This video is the perfect proof of who wants wars, for whom wars suit and who profits from them.
your comment is the perfect proof that some people really stupid, Ukraine fight for its sovereignty and freedom from the imperialist occupation efforts of russia.
wars are no good for anyone they need to all stop before the planet is destroyed
Yeah thankfully Russia invaded its neighbor or these guys would be broke
The fact South Korea produces over 300,000 155mm shells per month is mind boggling 😮
Откуда информация ?
Due to North and South Korea’s war tensions the south is constantly building its military defence to plan and prepare for a future war with North Korea if it ever happens (when you seek peace plan for war)
there's a lot for them to aim at
why？ north korea produces more.
north korean bot proproganda@@commie5211
Pretty sure the main filling is Comb B, not TNT... and yes 20km is in the ballpark of no-frills 155 rounds, but with Base Bleed (HEBB) or Rocket Assist (RAP) rounds, that range can be extended to closer to 30-40km.
I think imx-101 is the fill for the 155s and comp b is usually in grenades but I could be wrong. The manufacture can change over time and switch supply chain at any moment.
TNT is the main fill, IMX 101 and 104 is also used. Currently the USG doesn't have a Comp B M795.
also shouldnt a longer round fly further? the idea that because theyre only 2 feet they can go up to 20 km is kinda weird, no?
if they were the same diameter but longer theyd have better aerodynamics and a higher inert weight, meaning theyd lose speed way slower.
One statement was less than complete. The shells can explode on impact, but also about 20 meters above ground level, the most common variety. Or high in the air as an illumination round for night firing. This is a very useful multipurpose caliber (even including back in the 60's and 70's an atomic version).
Ah the multipurpose murder weapon. Proudly brought to you by the good old US of A, leaders in the death and destruction business.
god bless the atomic army
The fuse is what dictates when and how it explodes. Impact fuses are less expensive, as airburst, reliable airburst explosive fuses require radar. That also means semi-rare earths, aka more expensive materials. Add to that a more complicated design.
VT in effect. Was always one of my favorites to call in.
Airburst rounds are completely different stock all together and "illumination rounds" are giant flares that are a completely different non-weapon thing.
I am from Zaporozhie, a Ukrainian city in 100 km from the frontline. My house located is quite low and it is quiet, but every time when I walk up to the hill near river Dnepr I hear cannonade.
Arent you happy that the US courted your country into NATO and now you suffer for it while your boy big Z becomes a billionaire?
Why don’t we use our industrial infrastructure to build bridges, train ways, schools and hospitals?
We very well could but politicians would rather use that money to bail out corps and build more 8 lane highways to help out the car companies.
US is making 24,000 shells a month. But Ukraine is using 6,000 shells a day on average. It is just few days worth. The only country other than USA that have mass production capability of 155mm NATO shell in significant number and quality currently is South Korea. South Korea Army is keeping 2+ million 155 shells in reserve stock. South Korea can produce up to 100,000 155 mm shells a month on a moment notice. It is more than combined capability of all European NATO countries (except USA). That is why Korea is called country crazy on artillery, which has long history of artillery. In fact, Korea is second oldest country which used explosives and cannon in war, only next to China. First canon use in naval war.
Not sure South Korea is all that excited to go into full shell production. There is an economic and geopolitical cost to doing so in such close proximity to Russia's openly close ally North Korea.
@@montyalb8788They are the reason they make so many shells lol
@punav7449 Yes, although it is one thing to have the capacity and another to actually use it. Turning on the war factories causes escalation even if it is not pointed at you. SK is surrounded by non-allies (Japan, China, Russia) and borders the antagonistic NK.
In this case, NK has thrown their lot fully in with Russia(and appears to have some role in the conflict) to get an avenue out of crippling sanctions (which it already has to some extent.) So, NK can take the action as acting significantly against its interests. There is a chance that NK will start something on the border in exchange for open trade relations with the Russia and black market expansion with China.
And, SK has a deep distrust of Japan, and the US naval fleet no longer has reliable supremacy. The last thing South Korea wants is major border skirmishes because even the chance of war would displace the millions of Koreans who live only a few miles from the DMZ.
@@montyalb8788 its not so much a factore of security policy, but its moreso a cost factor. South KOrean Workers are hightly skilled professionals, take them out of office and put them into a shell factory, your economy might not like it.
@J-IFWBR there is that, too. Before Ukraine, SK had slightly positive relations and still has significant industrial ties with Russia and probably wants to keep the door open even now. SK is slightly infamous for condemning Zelensky for provocation at the opening of the war.
One thing that isn't being discussed is the fact that bullets and artillery need powder (for firing the shell). That, too, has to be a resource that's strained and its also dangerous to make.
Gunpowder is very cheap and easy to make. It’s just saltpeter (potassium nitrate), sulfur, and charcoal.
@@minimongo2620that's black powder, modern gunpowder(smokeless powder) use dangerous chemicals
@@minimongo2620 That isn't smokeless powder used in modern equipment - nitro cellulose. The old black powder tends to leave residue and generate so much smoke, it interferes with gun crews. Nitrocellulose is cellulose washed in nitric and sulfuric acid. It isn't that expensive either.
@@minimongo2620lol that's blackpowder... 150 years ago the use ended
@@lewisdoherty7621correct...
My first unit was an artillery unit. We had the M198 155m Howitzers. 1/321 FA, the only 155m artillery airborne unit in the US Army. Nothing like seeing and hearing one of those rounds explode in a direct fire! You can see these rounds leaving the tube if you watch closely enough.
That at Bragg?
@@hamburgerjuices7764yep
How do you see what you're shooting at if they are 15 miles away? and how do you know their exact location?
@@drappointment4509Forward observers. Also, there's a saying called "shoot, move, and communicate". You shoot, and get the hell out of there, because there';s something called "crater analysis", which is basically a bit of math used to find a good approximation where the shot came from. If someone does a crater analysis and you happen to still be in the area where you fired the shot that made the crater, fucked you are...
@@lonewolf333 so forward observations give you the coordinates of where the target is and you dial that angle in for the artillery cannon and then shoot?
7:37 Iraqi, 1991. One of our tankers was killed by our own cluster bombs because of an unexploded bomb. I was driving a 5-ton truck in Iraq at the time, that some soldiers needed to grab some flares from my truck to signal a medivac helicopter because a tank crewman had been injured by a cluster bomb that didn't explode. He died unfortunately, I salute his service and sacrifice.
NO MATTER HOW MILLIONS OR BILLIONS OF SHELLS GIVEN TO UKRAINE, U CAN'T DEFEAT RUSSIA WITH THAT 😂😂
@@mustafashaad4884sure you can person who has to spell in all caps
@@Insertnamehereplz NO, U CAN'T!! WHY? BECOZ RUSSIA HAS SOMETHING THAT UKRAINE DOESN'T HAVE!! ONCE THEY USE IT, HIGHLY DOUBT IF VICTORY WILL BE GAINED FOR UKRAINE
@@mustafashaad4884 lol even with Russia larger air force, navy and artillery forces can't even take Kyiv.
@@mustafashaad4884 you one of them prigozhin trolls dont ya 😂😂😂Признаться, Евгений Викторович. Выйти 🤣🤣
I’m not really opposed to the US sending stuff it doesn’t use anymore, a lot of it has been older ammunition and older versions of stuff we currently use.
they will make peace in weeks, if there is no weapons production... it was proven
I find it funny when people get so up in arms about the amount of money we sent. They dont realize that that's mostly just the total value of equitment we've sent. And it hardly scratches the surface of our military stock pile.
@@Smos233 a good chunk of the money is also humanitarian aid.
@@alexbuss3377Nah the european union does the humanitarian and the usa does the weapons that was the deal
You sound like the type of person who thinks inflation is a good thing.
Contrast to the days of WW1 when Britain alone was producing 50,000,000 shells a year..... France itself was producing 17,000 155mm shells A DAY
Just like before WW2, an amazing sleeping industrial giant. The year after the Pearl Harbor attack, they could mass produce pretty much anything needed in war, from tanks to planes to ships. Read that in the year following the Pearl Harbor attack, they produced more ammo in a year then they did in all their wars since they declared their independence from Britain
Problem: we’ve all but completely lost the industrial base, talent & experience workers. Prior to WW2 America manufactured things, NAFTA started the death spiral for that in the 90’s.
@@c1ph3rpunk not really, it was really shipping things to china. Under reagan and nixon, we started to lose manufacturing as unions started to lose power and couldn't keep manufacturing here. Coupled with the impossibility of going bankrupt on student loans, the expansion of FAFSA which made it easier for students to go to college but those workers are no longer in manufacturing. NAFTA is honestly good as mexico and canada are the US's closest neighbors and some of the best allies.
After fall of Berlin Wall, usa should have massively sized down their military and not have entered two stupid wars.
So much capital and talent saved and could be put into other use.
When in war. USA would have scaled up massively anyway. And leap frogged over others in new systems. When needed.
@@c1ph3rpunk Not in Scranton PA
Yes, and US is still just a kid in the history
Imagine the great things that can be done with these resources.
Yes you're right but the majority of westerners' imaginations stop at how to create more killing and how to transfer more money to the wealthy whom they complain about non stop. The west are war pigs full stop.
Well at least we can blow people up more efficiently and with SPEED
Apparently, US politicians think dying Ukranians and Russians, is one of those "great things".
Exactly thank you. To murder people efficiently is key and the US is so talented and amazing frankly. What a beautiful country
Imagine if the world and all countries came together like in Independence Day the possibilities for the future would be endless we could have the technology and infrastructure to build anything and have a sustainable future
Those shells cost more than $800. It's more like $6000 to $8000
At least ten factories in the world make 155mm shells and all of them have upped their production rate and the US have a new factory being build that produces a lot faster than the current factory.
The US has not built and will not build any new factories because the military industrial complex will not invest in things that would incur a loss overall. The US has the highest production rate of any NATO countries yet it could only produce puny amount of what is needed. Now imagine Germany and the rest of the countries in the alliance, they produce incomparably far less. This is why Ukraine could never win.
@@gloomy5487 Just Rheinmetall in Germany can produce 450.000 155mm shell a year and is increasing production to 600.000. Europe will be producing more than 1 million shells a year by the end of this year
@@AlbertZonneveld Russia fires 20k shells per day, that is 600k a month. So even through until the end of 2024, Ukraine will suffer from ammunition shortage. You need to understand that after around 1.5 years, Ukraine has suffered an estimated 400k KIA (43k KIA within two months of the counteroffensive) and multiples of that wounded, bringing total casualty number for Ukraine to well over a million. Meanwhile, Russian has suffered incomparably less despite having 7 times the population (20 million Ukrainians have fled). We know this is fact because from reports coming from people like Patrick Lancaster, we still have mobilised brigades from way back February 2022 still fighting on the frontline. This is a massive contrast to Ukraine, whose frontline soldiers are always freshly conscripted with no experience. Can Ukraine suffer another 400k KIA? Do you care at all? WW2 seemed to happened so long ago yet Germany is still supporting NAZIs.
@@gloomy5487Patrick Lancaster is already proven to be a fraud and puppet he is receiving funds by govt to portray Russia as good guys. As for your nazi claims Igor girkin who lead the rebel movements in 2014 admitted on his own telegram the whole invasion/war of Ukraine was fabricated by Russia pre 2014 to regain old Soviet land and vital port cities to cripple Ukraine never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians not only that but girkin confirmed that the so called rebels majority of them where undercover Russian army. What a coincidence prigozhin said the same thing this was was never about nazis or protecting ethnic Russians
@@gloomy5487 you are just picking the numbers directly from the kremlin (43k casualties in the counteroffensive? give us a break). Patrick lancaster is a clown and data provided by him cannot be trusted. you should have just said you are a supporter or Russian imperialism
I work where we have our ammo stored.. we are good 👍 no worries
Are you at Hawthorne Army Depot (HWAD)?
The 155 mm shells are not filled with TNT anymore. 7 marines were killed in a explosion in Nevada, after that they came up with a new less shock sensitive explosive to fill the shells. They fill them with 24 lbs of IMX-101
I think they called it "TNT" because everyone understand what TNT is, while only experts and people with interest in it would understand IMX-101. Peace.
Have they already switched the production over to IMX entirely?
They still fill them with tnt...tnt is cheaper, easier, and faster to pour then IMX
@sskuk1095 no they are still being produced with tnt or imx
@@sskuk1095 Not entirely but some IMX shells have already made it to Ukraine.
I'm not concerned about empty shelves in NATO arsenals: due to Russias "distraction", losses and depletion of its own supply there will be enough time to restock. Production is ramped up in all NATO countries. On the long run the investment in upscaled and modernized production is a gain of security for NATO.
I agree its good for NATO long-term, but ruzzia isn't the only possible threat...🤔
@@ccreature7086 But they are more of a naval and air threat. No big depletion of NATO arsenals in this regard. Instead the spleepy part of NATO woke up (p.e. Germany) and taking investments here more serious as well.
@@gargoyle7863Russian artillery production is more than Nato and US combined. So nothing is changing. Russia is outproducing all type of ammunitions. Russia won't share any details outside though.
@@ccreature7086 true that, but the only realistic foe with comparable capabilities to US and NATO is China. And the most likely war scenario with China is over Taiwan, where the main type of ammo won't be 155mm, given the nature of the battlefield.
@@boycottnok1466 Maybe. Maybe not. I trust US industries more than Russia's.
We didn’t borrow shells from S Korea, we just moved over them from storage there. They’re America’s shells.
America doesn't lend south korea their shells its shells produced in south korea
Think about it the country produces 100,000 shells a month why should it need to borrow shells from america?
That’s 8.8 million dollars of 155mm rounds shot EACH Day.
EDIT: I don't think this is a bad thing. This is a lot of money for any individual person, but in a war and for what we are able to do to Russia in the grand scheme of things this is chump change to be honest.
No, 5000 to 6000 shells include 152mm and 122mm, which is manufactured by Ukraine itself and other eastern countries like Bulgaria.
If the 8000 shells are all equipped with the GPS system (the 100k per shell), then it would cost 800 million dollars. Thats even crazier
@@VinhNguyen-wk5qz....No Excalibur shells are a very low percentage of what's being used.
8.8m is nothing, whole war in ukraine so far costed like 50 billion, thats about 7.5% of yearly US military spending, its very beneficial for the west to prolong the war and bleed russia
@@trader2137 exactly, thank you!
And it's not like the US is the only one supporting UA. The entire west is helping. By depleting our stockpile we also deplete the stockpile of our political enemies.
Since the west is so so much better off economically than russia, this is a war, that we will win.
"There is a global shortage of artillery shells"
Never in my life I heard a sentence that was this fucked up. I mean isn't it shocking that there can be a shortage of weapons? What a world.
I still can't believe after all the wars over lifetimes that there is still wars happening. Why can't we all get along already
We can get along if Russia stops invading its neighbours
Yes.. Im so disappointed with ourselves!
no war's happening in your lifetime? where's the fun in that? 😏
Conflict is just part of who we are, there will never be an end to war.
@@Atlas_Summit There will be an end to War if We change and become Sensible enough
In 1995 the GAO wrote "The five plants to remain active (Iowa, Lone Star, Milan, Crane, and Pine Bluff) have a combined capacity to load, assemble, and pack 867,000 artillery projectiles a month during three 8-hour shifts each day for 5 days a week."
But the only active shell plant left in the states is in Scranton Pa. It takes more then just adding shifts to increase capacity. You literally have to build more factory, add all the necessary furnace's and forming machines. More robots, train new personnel. The list goes on and on. They are now producing 20,000 a month. That's pretty damn good
@@philipcramer940 We are up to 1/40th of what the Army said we needed in 1995. Which would barely be enough. Isn't our exquisitely optimized and efficientized industrial base wonderful? Next let's talk about how many Patriots missiles we build per month vs 160/month that 2 batteries in Ukraine fire.
@@k53847 One can probably argue at length why letting production drop this far was a mistake. But for now the good news is that this is finally politically and militarily realized and large production increases for many military weapons are being done in the USA and Europe. Production for the coming years seems set to increase by quite a bit.
@@Quickshot0 Well, yes, but in 2028
we'll still be at 10% of 1995 rate. Ukraine wants 20,000/rds day. The US fired 90,000 rounds in 2.5 hours attacking Iraq. So it's still completely inadequate even if they carry out the plan till 2028.
@@k53847 Possibly the case, though since then various kinds of guided weapons including more precise artillery have become a thing. So I suppose one could argue this some what reduces the need for quite as much fire rate as they used during the Cold War era... well maybe. How this works in practice isn't entirely clear.
The modern comparison case for this would be Ukraine I guess, and it seems to achieve fairly reasonable effect at current rates, though obviously ell short of what they want, with the modern more precise artillery. And there Ukraine's usage rate is far below USA 1995 rates I'd cautiously mark this down as precision probably allowing one to get away with a fair bit less production at least.
Another thing to note is, is that those 90,000 rounds from the Gulf War probably include all types of rounds, so including for instance mortar rounds, and this video of course is only covering 155 mm production. So total ammo production is actually higher, though still rather slow compared to 1995, yes.
Its good to see how their supply is produced.
@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist1 no one asked
@@Steven-ol4vo stop taking drugs.
I hope Russia and China doesn't see this
They should let Ukraine burn
Trump would respect russia and let Ukraine have it's own war,
American manufacturing besides German and sweedes is unmatched when we're talking steel god bless
China produces 15 times of more steel than U.S.
Always helping others but never your own
Remember its socialism if we get help but its democracy we're fighting for so therefore it aint socialism to help the pathetic European nations lol. We just need a dictator at this point. Screw this globalist bs.
You seriously believe that Russia taking control of Europe would not impact life in America?
such beautiful shells
Hate to see what you are hunting
Big Business indeed!
Profitable
Big Busines for the Biden crime family..
imagine where humanity would be right now with all the energy from war being redirected towards celestial expansion under one unified flag.
Artillery shells and paper! Scranton, PA does it again 😛
too bad the politicians that come out of Scranton suck.
I, like all Ukrainians, am very grateful to the USA and all countries that help us fight evil.
You are a fool. Nato is using use. Evil is who use fight for.
Puppet
And they said manufacturing is never coming back to America 🦅🇺🇲
Not in the scale it used to be. For comparison, us production of munitions will reach 84k per month in 2028 (according to this video) ukr fired 6-8k munitions each day, so by 2028 they will receive a month supply that last roughly 10-14 days. Current production is much less than that, monthly supply last for less than a week.
Meanwhile rus is already producing hundreds of thousands each month and fires between 20-30k rounds each day.
Aside from rus monthly production (which was kept secret and only estimates by reputable analyst is available) everything I said is verifiable through western sources.
@@far_centristthe problem is if all hell breaks loose you can insure the allies will easy attack and destroy the factories crippling it, while USA and Canada will be impossible for Russia to attack its factories
11000 a month? Lol what a production …. Last November we bought 100k rounds from South Korea and it was enough for 2 weeks lol …. Russia on the other hand increased their production 10 fold
It’s not. That’s a pretty sad output.
@@far_centristand that’s not counting the vast Soviet stockpiles.
The military industrial complex has never had it so good. Massive fortunes are being made. Ike was right!
I made those rods in 1974 at Republic STEEL in BEAVER FALLS PA. 13 inch by 72 ft. Of solid steel.
Good , high Quality US. Steel ! Good job sir - Thank you !
I'm sorry, I didn't hear that....Did you say you put your thirteen inch steel hard rod in some beaver?
@@drmodestoesq I got steel in my blood. Steel in my Bones. And a Pittsburgh Steeler fan for life. I'm wearing a Steeler ONE Nation Under God Shirt right now.
Really informative, well made vid. Thanks for posting.
Mind Begs the Question:
If deploying Weapons,Mercenaries
At USA doorstep(Cuba) - Not Allowed
At Russia doorstep(Ukraine) - Allowed
Democracy,Imperialism?
@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings It's okay Ivan go collect your rubles. They aren't worth much anymore, though! 🤡🤡🤡
@@HumanBeingsRThinkingBeings Check meaning of 'begs the question' - it doesn't mean 'prompts the question'.
I feel like the industrial military complex is so underrated.
I have to say. Unlike Russia’s which appears to have pissed away a lot funding via corruption, the US’s really delivered. Yes we joke about not having healthcare and all that, but atleast the trillions we spend, it really shows.
JFK won't make that mistake again!
You Americans have never witnessed war so you keep wishing for senseless initiatives of war. Destroying other countries for profit
It's a racket.
During the Gulf War 1991 we saw ammunition from WWII and Vietnam surface from storage. When we need it, it appears.
Well they wanted to use that up before it became useless or a liability to use.
Magic
Tell your kids that precision machining is a thing if they don't want to go to college. We've lost tens of thousands of them around the country when private companies offshored everything for profits. A skill set that is based in the US can again pay well...automation will be included and that is okay.
Precision machining.. ill look into this
Absolutely love "this old Tony's" videos, if I weren't a cs student or if I can't become a pilot in the future then machining it is
The US has alternative weapons to these artillery shells, such as air dropped bombs, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, etc. But the armed forces of Ukraine don't have the same flexibility or options at the present; hence why things like the F-16 or ATACMS are being pushed forward as options for aid by Ukraine.
Peace time production and war time production are two different things and it takes time to pivot to war time production, but the US isn't really at war per se, so the US government wouldn't urgently ramp up production any more than it already has unless it felt the pressing need to do so.
There are internal considerations within the US as well, as callous as they are. Increased production means more hours of work, more shifts, more people which brings employment to more Americans (a good thing economically); the same holds true for other nations providing aid from their own arm industries. Not just artillery shells but any resource the Ukrainian armed forces burn through including small arms, artillery barrels, vehicles and other associated materiel. The money being funneled towards Ukraine's aid/war effort is frankly chump change compared to the crap the US has spent money and American lives on. This is the cheapest war the US never had to fight.
This conflict doesn't risk American lives, and resources expended go towards allowing an allied country to defend itself while weakening an old adversary. And in addition increases US geopolitical strength as other countries now know when the chips are down the US will be there.
before you can use F-16 you need to have airports. How many operational airports does ukraine have rn? im fairly certain its almost 0 tbh. At least if we want to have a level of operationionability that allows for use of fighterjets, which requires a shit ton, of logistics, technical knowhow and manpower. I think in german Luftwaffe around 10-20 hours of preparation each fighterpilot is spending on 2 hours of flight. Thats without all the technical and logistical work done by other people of course. Now immagine how you can run such an operation, whilst beeing under constant threat from russian airstrikes.
It is not impossible, but it is very risky, and will cost a shit ton of resources.
Also Ukraine will not be able to get airsuperiority with those F-16, and without airsuperiority you can forgett about getting close airsupport. Because giving close airsupport without airsupperiority basically means, throwing your planes into the trash.
So the role of these F-16 would be to deliver Stormshadow and other longrange weapons, and to shoot down drones.
If this is worth it, is ofc, a question that Ukrainian Defense Forces can decide best, but i would immagine they have more pressing prorities on the shopping list atm.
As some in the Administration have already said, we are at war with Russia. No risk going to war with another nuclear power is there?
Ukraine will never have the strength to fight Russia even with our help. NATO doesn't have the strength to fight Russia and win. The US doesn't have the money to go to war in Ukraine since we're insisting on ruining the economy while planning for a two front war and alienating as much of the world as we can.
There are consequences to having a foreign policy that says if you take our money, you dance to our tune; if you don't, we'll get you thrown out and put in a puppet. We tried to do that in Russia in the late 1990s and they decided that they needed Putin instead. We continued to try to bully them. That worked out well for us, didn't it?
If any country in the world thinks that the US will be there for them, they haven't been paying attention for the last 60 years. We'll be there until the polls say it's okay for us to cut and run.
Just FYI, "etc" means "and the others." So, no need for redundancy.
@@jacquesblaque7728 Whoops thanks, that's what happens when I don't proofread lol.
And the money are actually spent on creating jobs in the US.
good to understand the process to make ammo, very educative
Dont try this at home. You will be on the news.
....Even better to know who and where is contributing to this western global terrorism.
@@noneshere The only terrorist nation is Russia and its war criminal leadership.
@@noneshereRussia is the main contributor to global terrorism…
@@noneshere That's adorable coming from a supporter of an openly declared terrorist state.
Slava Ukraini!
Why is no one asking if America needs them in the first place. They use them for training, but the US is primarily an air and sea force, planes and subs dont need shells. Shells are for a land war, and the US only fights one of those if it has to.
Easy answer.. 33 trillion dollars debt
@@theroldan8013 debt doesnt matter as whole world uses dollar. US can print more :D
11.000 per Month x 12 Monts = 132.000 per Year.
Ukraine needs at least 1.8 Million 155mm artillery shells per year (5.000 per day), Russia is said to use about 3.5 Million artillery shells per year (~10.000 per day).
Setting that in perspective, this factory produces at full capacity in a year what russia is shelling out on a good day, or the Ukraine should be able to in two days. You would need about 150 factories like that to supply Ukraine alone.
War is absurd in its efforts, ressources and costs - let alone the human suffering.
No way that man told me efficiency is key to speed 🤯
Man i thought 223 prices were getting out of hand 😂
You’re welcome. Courtesy of American tax dollars that have no say in where their money is wasted
Good to see Scranton branch is still not closed😅
"come on, MAN!"
The Truck with the artillery is the Ceasar, it came from french army, they are super super strong
The rounds are filled with compensation B explosive not TNT. Only shells that use point detonating or delay fuses have a TNT charge. Time or altitude detonating fuses which makes you to remove the TNT charge. I would love to know how to apply for a job in the 155mm factor since I was in artillery in the Marine Corps but we had 8" self propelled howitzers.
TNT hasn't been used since the 80's, They started phasing out Comp B in the early 2000's, shells these days are mostly IMX (Dinitroanisole, Nitrotriazolone, & Nitroguanidine)
Thank you for the updated information. I'll have to try to keep that in mind. Did they start phasing out the Comp B shells when they starting using the new M777 howitzers? When I was in the Marine Corps, we had the self propelled M109 & 8" howitzers , I believe it was named the M110, but I usually get the correct numbers wrong, along withe the M198, & the 105mm howitzers.
Till this day before the large budgets in the 1980's, which gun was the funnest gun to shoot. Either the 8" or the 105mm.
Do we always help nazis?
To the guy's and girl's working in the factory well done and be proud of your work.
I have two questions. 1) Why are they so expensive? I know, they are relatively cheap compared to some other weapons like the Javelin, as has been mentioned. But still 800 USD for a piece of steel with TNT seems excessive. 2) Why do projectiles need to get a paint job? It seems so useless for something that only serves its purpose for about 5 second to get painted.
Also, "ultima ratio regum". Final argument of the King. Keeping your cannons fed is vital
Glad to see the Military Industrial Complex still surviving in these tough times
your tax dollars at waste...ahhh i mean work...
Need to make up for those 155 shells we donated to the Taliban. Don’t want the MIC to go hungry.
That “factory” was originally the locomotive erection works for the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western Railroad. It became surplus with the end of steam locomotives.
Locomotive erection works you say?
That is probably why it is a museum piece of a factory. It's antiquated machinery and systems that are being used . New factory with modern machinery and systems need to be set up stat.
Heavy industry factory changing program is pretty common. I am involved in company who has that story the other way around. Used to be weapons producer (till late 40s) now it's rolling stock
@@jackdbur Perhaps but #1 I don’t think the Russians can tell the difference, #2 the manufacturing country is not (currently) engaged in all out combat and #3 the process doesn’t look all that complex so why not change the forms and make the 152mm shells? (There may be political ramifications for that last one.)
@@maestromecanico597 Then they could not charge Ukraine the price of new shells for their old stock that's been sitting around for decades. Poland and ?Bulgaria are making 152mm.
That part where civilians and kids suffer the most. There no empathy as long as it's not my people mentality is what drives the world. I pray to God one day we all see each other as human beings.
i dont think there is empathy for own people as well. it is more like how and where they can benefit and get more money
The world is becoming better, but Putin is one of the holdouts.
You're so right, I trust the US Gov more now then any other time in history.@@jesan733
I agree, Russian troops need to leave Ukraine in order to allow Ukraine to heal.
@@karstenschuhmann8334 remember them days when it was funny when they were bombing Afghanistan🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣never laugh at your neighbors' misfortune, once a wise man told me.🙏🏿
They need to produce 100,000 per month. ASAP. Now!
I guess we should be buying stocks in these shells while at the same time paying for them with our taxes?
I think those that make decisions don;t pay taxes ... But for Sure I do :) ... I wonder how many I paid for and where the money went ? Someone is driving a new tesla from my part ;)
Yes. That's how the rich get richer.
@@Traveler_SF you are serb taliban not American
@@Traveler_SFthe decision makers just want to continue this war as long as possible for profit.
@@patriotalbanian3205 or a bot ?
Krembots: "Russia will outproduce the entire free world just trust me bro."
Also Krembots: "You're not allowed to increase production that's escalation bro."
😂
Well, they are running out of tanks, thanks to Javelin and NLAW
For me, Scranton PA will always be remembered for its world famous paper Company. ❤
May God bless America abundantly for it! Amen.
You're on the right side of history!
Yes
To the last ukrainian. Right side.
US is at right side of history? WAKE UP
Yeah, funding a gov that kills its own people,jails political rivals,burns down news stations, imprisons the press, cancels elections,has a military made up of swastika wearing proud Nazis,and bombs its own people is what I like to call "on the right side". We'll teach Russia a thing or two about holding our end of a peace deal huh. Peace deal brought with one promise from NATO,and that was "We will not move NATO one inch towards Russia" and Russia stayed peaceful,until we not only move a 1,000miles towards them,they still stayed peaceful, until we finally tried to move onto their border, and for some unknown reason Russia immediately invaded its border for no reason at all huh
Thank you, America, for helping us, Ukrainians, to fight the evil empire! God bless the US!
I really enjoyed seeing how they made the shells. All the other stuff. I’m not sure how I feel about.
you should probably feel disgusted.
It is cool to see Toyota trucks being produced in the factory too. Less cool to see them somehow end up in the hands of ISIS. As long as there is conflict the US will be there like the grim reaper to profit off the carnage and dispossession.
War is a racket. Ukraine is no different.
@Shinshocks555 Have you seen how big of a shithole America has become but somehow we have money for foreign nations on a continent that raped and looted the entire world but it's socialism if we clean up ours?
It's a shame that we aren't pumping out 10x this amount of shells 1.5 years into this war. Very early on it was evident that artillery was going to be one of the deciding factors in this war.
The war is over unless, you want to die In a Nuclear holocaust.
Should of listened to all the people like me saying they need to negotiate early on instead of calling us Russians.
It seems like we are ramping up production, though. The West is beginning to realize that this will be a drawn-out war.
@@addanametocontinue Yes, we're building two new factories, one in Texas and one in Ontario. We're also expanding our existing factories, but we should have put more focus on this one year ago. Better late than never though.
*2 WAT END?* "Natt my concern"
The expertise in this comments section is just mind blowing. If all the brains on here were helping, the war would be over in seconds.
First time I saw one of these I was in awe I just looked at it for a minute, enjoying the beauty and simplicity and deadliness
Australia recently had a new plant open. South Korea has epic stores and manufacturing capacity. Russia cluster bombs are either air dropped or missile launched. Either is HUGE with massive unexploded rate. Most of the Russian cluster weapons are sent towards civilian targets.
Where had Russia used clusters? Ukraine just shot them into the center of Donetsk the other day.
@@ericp1139 There is a GIGANTIC PILE of Russian cluster bomb skeletons outside of Kharkiv. Also lots of video of them going off in the streets. This started late february 2022 and continues. These are HUGE compared to a 155 round.
@@ericp1139 Ukraine mostly prefers use their limited rounds to kill invaders. Russia meanwhile, like to bomb hospitals, schools, grain, and most recently a blood donation centre. There are also countless videos of white phosphorous being dropped by Russia and plenty of intercepted phone calls of Russians bragging about it's use.
*Slava Ukraini*
No not at all. Im for no GMO’s. Lets go Russia
Stockholders of these companies should be made public for the interest of the common American taxpayer.
USA: no , it is no democratically😂😂😂
@@edgardogolazo Learn to speak english before you talk shit in it
Got to be a communist snowflake ,,, oooh the bad stock holders. So evil to make a dollar. Cry baby
We survived because of USA and other countries. Thanks from deep of our hearts. In the future we will have a monuments in Ukraine for the nation's who helped.
You're all bums protect yourselves
There will be no Ukraine once the war ends and no one will care, NO ONE. For those who do, they will thank God for getting rid of the cesspool.
Now ask your leader to stop killing his own people, locking up his political rivals, burning down and imprisoning the free press,and canceling elections. I'm surprised more of you are not cheering for Russia with the leadership you all suffer.
I have no idea why Canada is not producing shells. We certainly have the steel!!!
why would you expect Trudeau to allow something that would harm China?
@@fakenman shut this guy bank acct.
AVRO International Aerospace has entered the chat...
Cause USA loves to absolutely waste American tax dollars that will accomplish nothing
I remember talking to an SF military friend in the late 90s. I remember him saying there will always be a need for artillery and foot soldiers. Currently this reality will make the difference between victory and defeat. Even with robots, drones and AI a well targeted artillery shell will shred anything.
Look at Israel, for soldiers will have to locate and clear all of those miles of underground tunnels. Sure, technology will help, but its still boots on the ground that wins wars.
Боже благослови Америку та Весь ДЕМОКРАТИЧНИЙ Світ!
🇺🇦🤝🇺🇸🇪🇺🇩🇪🇫🇷🇵🇱…❤️
Разом ми Сила🦾😎💙💛
Yeah lets see about that russia alone is kicking your ass
The U.S defense industry would never want the Ukraine war to end, therefore there will be more lobbying to drag the war as long as possible
Thanks to the people of America for supporting Ukraine
Главное что бы потом Украина оплатила предъявленные счета.
@@Kotmotok Раша заплатит
@@GamePosition конечно заплатит. только за то что заберет к себе.
I hear a very proud "The US tops the list". Of course $42,000,000,000 sounds like a huge amount and it is, but it's a huge country. If you divide that amount by the number of inhabitants, a country like the Netherlands has spent the same amount per capita. ($2,100,000,000 -> 17,000,000 inhabitants).
Better to compare it GDP of a nation rather than population.
It's just genuinely wild to me that with all humanity's progress with technology and medicine etc, we STILL have to craft these $ 800-a-pop shells to fire at each other like cavemen.
Cavemen hadn't even invented the bow and arrow.
NOPE THIS IS ALL ABOUTTHE FAILING ECONOMIES OF DEMOCRAT STATES OF THE U.S. MILITSRY DEFENSE INDUSTRIAL COMP,EX CREATED BY DEMOCRAT PRESIDENT FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT 1933 TO GET TJE U.S OUT OF THE DEMOCRATS CAUSED GLOBAL GREAT DEPRESSION. PREVIOUSLY, U.S. ARM,Y ORDNANCE CORPS OFFICERS WERE IN COMMAND OF DEPOT COMMAND MANDATORY KNOWLEDGE OF MUNITIONS PLANTS FACTORIES AS GOVERNMENT, OWNED GOVERNMENT OPERATED, GOVERNMENT OWNED CONTRACTOR OPERATED, CONTRACTOR OWNED CONTRACTOR OPERATED AS CONTRACTING OFFICER.
Well I do have a sharp stick if you have the time...
Most of the technological and medicinal advancements you've alluded to are a direct consequence of those "cavemen" finding more lethal and efficient ways to kill each other. Virtually all technological comforts we enjoy today were metaphorically strapped to a bayonet at one point before being later repurposed to civilian use.
whats worse is that cheap drones that can be bought for the price of 2 of those shells are taking out more equipment than all those shells combined are and they are making shells instead of drones by the tens of thousands. Add to that fact that women and any 15 year old can be taught to fly a drone and could sit back in relative safety killing more Russians and their equipment just dropping genades on them and flying suicide drones into them. This while ukraine desparately needs more soldiers on the battlefield to me is inexcusable they could litterally DOUBLE their army in a few weeks if they used what their population, not only that they would have mecenaries coming from all over the world who ALREADY had expertise in flying drones, if they could fly them from 20 miles from the front in highly protected building, maybe even underground. think what 20,000 drones coming over a one mile stretch ahead of the tanks and troops could do to blow a hole in those defense lines and make sure NO RUSSIAN dared had his head up much less was firing when the main attack came. Theyd cut through those defense lines like they were made of butter.
Nearly every piece of equipment the United States has delivered to Ukraine was initially destined to be discarded. They were either obsolete or existing stocks were large enough that the expense of storing them was more significant than what they were worth. The only real exception is artillery shells described in this article. Still, the ability to rapidly ramp up production of these weapons is a necessary and often overlooked component of our defense capability.
As the war drags on, the sheer quantity of the expended arms is changing this quickly. In other words, the arms we are giving now are beginning to dip deep into stockpiles the US requires to fight a land war anywhere. To which my response is... so what? Remember that these weapons are designed to be used against our enemies, and they are fulfilling that purpose by giving them to Ukraine.
Russia isn't our enemy, despite what Biden and the military industrial complex might tell you.
I think you have more enemies than you have ammunition in your stock at any given point in time. People have suffered a lot because of your fervent desire to bring them your democracy and destroy their lives. You better keep it in your stock until "some people want to do you some harm"
Pertaining to Ukraine, wrong side, Democratic Nationalist Socialist Ukraine Labor Union aka Democrats aka NAZI Actor Comedian Volodymyr Zelenskyy :"Actor, Actress job is to lie, to make fake seem real", current Constitutional Russian Federation is s Democratic Republic, as not the same as the U.S.S.R.
We are not short on ammunition, but short on "educated people" thanks to our dismal schools.
the ammunition we are sending to Urkraine is indeed making an impact on US stores, but it will be easily restocked and the depletion has NOT effecting the US worldwide on site ammo reserves at military bases. That's the part the right is intentionally underplaying when they bleat boom and gloom about this.
Thanks to the GOP constantly trying to destroy our public schools.
I think that you are just projecting, let out, you will feel better about yourself afterwards..
ok russian troll
only red states have dismal schools.
There's another one in Lancaster PA that builds 155 ammo bombs my brother used to work there . They have been using 155 since world war 2
The modern cluster munitions have a very low failure rate of about 5%, compared to the roughly 30% failure rate of the WW2 era cluster bombs. Ukraine is willingly taking the risk of using them on their own territory against the russian positions in occupied territories that don't have any civilians living there anymore.
смешно, нет мирных жителей говоришь?...
@@Relax_be_Happy_FRWL..-_- why are you speaking to me in the language of the enemy?
Upd: nevermind, I see now. Are you going to tell me now about 9 years "dambili bambas"? Don't bother :)
@@ES3TH бла бла бла. Опять включили свою тупую шарманку. По факту скажи.
@@Relax_be_Happy_FRWL..-_- За фактом скажу йди нахуй за російським військовим кораблем, мразота руснява
@@ES3THyes, we are enemies. And dont whine 🐖🇺🇦 when ukraine end to exist. Rip
I mean, the US doesn't have to worry about depleting its stockpile lol. If the US really wanted to, they can make even more in a month but we dont need to.
I guess you’re one of those people who doesn’t consider unforeseen circumstances in their planning phase. These munitions are made by private companies using delicate supply chains that are running at full capacity right now. Making even more would require new facilities, tooling, and supply of raw materials. Imagine the lag time and achieving all of those requirements before manufacturing capacity is increased. Companies aren’t going to invest in all of that when the future demand isn’t a sure thing.
@@straat9066 one can hope war ends soon but ukraine war is probably going to last another 2 years at the end of those 2 years we will supposedly be a year or two away from a “conflict” with china over taiwan. I think the demand is clear as day there.
@@straat9066yes, they are building factories right now
@@straat9066 yeah nah. In China they built an entire hospital in 2 weeks during covid. If we had the will we could ramp up production in that same time. There is no will since we're not at war and the US doesn't rely on artillery
I mean, China doesn’t have to worry about US falling lol. If the US keeps going like this, their debt going to be 40 trillions just funding for “peace” 😂👌🏻
I love seeing WWIII being manufactured
wait those shells cost 800, are you kidding me? Lets automate that plant, increase production, drop costs and carry those onto the customer/US government. 800 for a piece of metal and some TNT seems quite high compared to other places
simply amazing the amount of shells being used ..
They are using them well too, it's not getting a ton of coverage but Ukraine is kicking Russia's ass at this point
@@ConstantChaos1 Sure.
@remilenoir1271 they are my guy I get multiple reports a day on the situation, my mom trained as a diplomat to the USSR, my dad had 27 deployments to the former USSR, my brother is stationed there right now
не говоріть на теми, яких ви не розумієте
The Ukrainian forces have broken the defensive line in 3 places reclaimed tons of villages is striking inside of Moscow and has nearly entirely cut off the crimean forces from any supply lines, Ukraine is landing hits on the black sea fleet, the unrest has lead to now 2 coups, one from Wagner and the current one is by the ingish people and that entire oblast has waged war on Russia. I can keep going but I can assure you I'm quite up to date on the progress of the war unlike Russian trolls 👀
@@ConstantChaos1 I see people say Ukraine is doing well, but why haven't the war maps reflected all this ass kicking? Russia still holds all the land they wanted in the first place and have them fortified to the teeth. Ukraine seems to be throwing bodies to their slaughter against this frontline defense of Russia.
@stubbsd123 not really, I gave verifiable facts, demonstrated my handle on the language, and things like military service are verifiable with a FOIA request. If there was a major issue with my handle on the language, any of the facts I had given, or something like that then I could see it but do you know how many people train as diplomats? How many officers are stationed in Poland rn? How many trips for depoliferisiation the U.S. does a year? Yeah none of these claims are remotely unreasonable otherwise I could get it but yeah no.
It amazes me that it takes days to make a round like that and then it's just fired in one second, impacts a few seconds later and it might misses.
That's why you have to make it in lots of millions not thousands. See, you're already smarter than the Pentagon.
A lot of that time is the round simply sitting around cooling down fully, or the paint drying etc. The actual machine/man worktime spend on each round is just a tiny fraction of that
ecology and efficiency at it's best!
Heal from within > dominate from without..
@@neilreynolds3858😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
when we first started producing nukes we were producing uranium and plutonium at the rate of GRAMS per month. And using the majority of the electricity from niagra falls to do it. They got 6000 TONS of silver from the US treasury to make wire to use in the systems.