LoreWarrior Campaigns - The Battle of Tukayyid part 1
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The battle of tukayyid cannot be understated as the important battle in the Inner Sphere for centuries. It's results would change the history of both the clans and the great houses forever. Where the clans had spent years dominating the great houses for the majority of the conflict, the forces of comstar however represented a threat that had a greater understanding of the clan war machine but most importantly, it's mindset.
This lorewarrior details the circumstances around why the battle would start, the preparation of both sides and their objectives. Part two will feature the battles, broken down by clan.
Com Guard showed the Clans why you need to pay your bills!
The book by Michael A. Stackpole regarding the Battle of Tukkayid "Lost Destiny" is a joy to read. Highly recommended read.
Virtually any book by Stackpole is going to be gold. Hell he even wrote a number of the novels in the Star Wars "Rogue Squadron" series.
Did you read Falcon Guard?
The whole Blood of Kerensky trilogy is pretty good.
Yeah, pretty much anything by Stackpole, Pardoe, Gressman, and a few others are pure gold. The Jade Phoenix series by Thurston was good, but I didn't like his books as much.
@@lucassmith4524falcon guard thst bok o abut the erkyninvssonnof th clinic with innervsphere
I like my Battletech lore given to me by a Critical British Accent or a Black Texan one. Seriously, you and Black Pants Legion need to do a crossover event.
We do chat on discord every now and then. If he wants to do something I am up for it.
4 years later, as a migratory geek of all stripes, and set on giving love to what's good..... Liked and subscribed. Roll on Part 2.
Far too many clan lovers consistently ignore the sheer disparities in size and capacity between the clans and the Inner Sphere. All the way up to Tukayyid, the only houses the clans were facing were Kurita, Stiener, and Davion, with some token Marik support. And even then, none of those houses had gone "all in" yet. Their economies hadn't shifted to full-on Wartime levels, most of their units hadn't even made it into the areas of operation yes, and the Capellans hadn't gotten involved at all, not had any of the major periphery powers like Canopus or Taurus.
The Inner Sphere power could have drowned the clanners in a sea of cheap 3025-era mechs made in droves upon droves, saving the better gear for the better fighters. Quality of training and equipment are great force multipliers, yes. But we can look at our own history to see how far those go in the face of raw *quantity* Take a common and simple mech like an enforcer or blackjack. Pack it with medium lasers, toss in a pilot that's been taught the basics, and throw them into the fight backed up by a dozen of his buddies. With twenty similar such groups right beside them. Over and over and over again.
Attrition can halt or hinder an invasion, but that would take time and ComStar wanted a quick and decisive victory.
“Quantity has a quality all its own”
Attributed to Stalin
Plus when the IS finally got it's shit together and counterattacked into Clan space, they beat the crap out of them and completely destroyed Smoke Jaguar.
Well yes. And this is exactly where you realise the real beauty behind Fochts entire strategic play here. The *outcome* of the Battle of Tukayyid was essentially irrelevant. The moment the Clans agreed to fight the battle? That's when they lost the war. Even if they won the battle, they would have spent months pulling together all of their best units for this one engagement, and would have ended up suffering massive attrition among those troops.
The whole invasion effectively relied on keeping up its momentum and engaging the Inner Sphere in sequential high-speed actions that played to the Clans individual qualitative advantages, allowing them to sequentially overrun IS units while suffering very low casualties in each engagement. Just by agreeing to Tukayyid, they lost that vital momentum. If ComStar had lost at Tukkayid? The Houses would have laughed and then just ground what remained of the invading Clans' toumans into the dirt after being given all this time to get into gear.
Another awesome video. Can't wait for more. This is the kind of fluff that makes Battletech so engrossing after so many years and the reason Clan invasion is so popular for BT fans. Personally, I somewhat prefer the 3025 era with that slight apocalyptic and desperate/patchwork feel to how mechs were considered as heirlooms and something worth salvaging in whatever state, due to declining technology level in Inner Sphere after the 3rd succession war. That setting made the battlemechs more valuable overall.
I must commend you on your pronunciation of the names for Spanac, Luk, Brzo and Skupo, words from my native, serbo-croatian language. I must admit, I bust a gut every time I remember that Fasa used words for spinach (spanac), onion (luk), fast/quick (brzo) and expensive (skupo).
Thanks :) The names are now quite funny and I guess they had a native speaker who created the names for a laugh.
@@CriticalRocket you ever seen the battltech memmescof no guts no glaxy no asses
And Focht fucking broke them...
" Get bent weirdo..." - Comstar
Oh, and "Pay your HPG bills, fucko!"
Hippity hoppity get the fuck off my property -Focht
You’re vids are fantastic. The lore of Battletech is so deep, it’s nice having a resource on RUclips to be able to listen to it when I’m unable to sit and read it. Thank you for making these vids.
Glad you enjoy them :)
New lore vid going up on Saturday as part of the Solaris series.
Awesome, I’ll be keeping an eye out tomorrow. Looking forward to it.
Ah battle of Tukayyid , that time ww2 repeated itself but this time it wasn't millions of russians lead by a incredibly underestimated officers who the other side dismissed, but a telecom technocult led by a incredibly underestimated officer who the other side dismissed as a "paper general". In short don't fuck with someone who is willing to wage war like Zhukov and has the means and backing to do it to its totality.
I forgot that ComStar basically had all that remained of Star League's vast weapon stockpiles. It would make sense that they would fare far better against the clans for that reason alone. Completely blanked on that point too. xD Ooops.
Yeah they spent centuries hoarding equipment, hiding worlds from star charts to use as bases of operations and training a secret military to conquer the Inner Sphere. Also they use a 6 'mech structure over 4 man lances and 5 man stars.
Ah the clans, so confident, so naive. Is it any wonder that Clan Wolf, who had arguably the most famous mercenary in all the Inner Sphere as a sakahn survived?
And the Kerensky bloodline too.
Nah..that's cause they had author's immunity.
Battletech universe had those in droves.
Sun tzu liao lead an officially broken nation that not only took on a super power but won.
Victor davion, the worst general since Alexander kerensky is considered a great general.
Comstar super corporation that had been behind every inner conspiracy not only lost their home world but were out played by an organisation a third of their size.
Word of Blake had enough resources to not only carve out a portion of the inner sphere for themselves but isolate lay siege to every inner sphere government.
The FFR chooses the clan over comstar, the corporation that save what remains of their nation and inner sphere as a whole.
Capellan confederation could build warships when they didn't even have the capacity to build jumpships a decade earlier.
On and on....
You mean after they got absorbed?
@@samuelvimes1 I know it's late but, of you're going to nitpick story decisions, you should probably include how the total Clan invasion force was utterly insufficient to take on the Inner Sphere in an all-out war. They didn't have the materiel (other than WarShips) or manpower to match even House Steiner's standing military (assuming the Clans worked cooperatively in the corridors, which they didn't) and their logistical supply line was months-long.
A culture that prides itself on efficiency and tactics should have never even attempted such a ridiculous plan without at least using politics to isolate a single enemy like the FRR or Combine, occupy it more or less entirely and solidify their holdings to assault Terra at a later date. They didn't even do a half-assed job of trying to win during the proxy battle because muh batchall and muh honour, whereas Comstar was running suicide attacks on Dropships.
@@imasspeons
I disagree with you on that. The first 3 clan invasion books and the Jade falcon Phoenix trilogy gave a pretty plausible invasion scenario. The clans were only ever arm with omnimechs. The logistics were left vague but were inferred to be sufficient, such as the combined smoke jaguar/nova cat strike at luthien which lead to the destruction of 3 galaxies but did not on the whole slow down the clan invasion in any way. One can also assume the clan had a larger transport capacity. The clans had no trouble transporting 23 galaxies to Tukayyid on the specifies date for the battle. It took comstar several months to do the same. The clans could rearm and lauch campaigns faster than the inner sphere could react.
It's was the latter novels and sourcebooks that rec-con the hell out of the clans. It's was like the writers did not understand the logistics requirements of that type of invasion .
Nice one mate! I love these videos. It's bedtime stories with Critical Rocket time. Come on now Mechwarriors, settle down, brush your teeth & get into your bed so we can begin......
Clans are your average PVP player. They are the best, no one can beat them. Comstar played their ego perfectly lol.
basically yes, im a pve player since i prefer to work with other ppl to tackle challenges but occasionally i find myself in the crucible and gambit with my clanmates... and then we play for like 3 hours with me constantly on or near the top of the leader board and them wondering htf is it possible when im not even abusing the meta. My answer "because pvp players are predictable"
@@cropathfinder more like perfect aim is cheap kek
@@thomasbriscoe7439 that and you don't need to aim with a grenade launcher that fires mini rockets xD
Love your lore videos love to see more of these. It's the depth and breath of Battletech that's it's appeal. Great job!
Nice! Several mechs we haven't seen yet in MWO as well.
There’s a laughable amount of Mechs we haven’t seen in MWO or MW5
i love that stuff.. especially being a long time BattleTech player, this is a very nice thing to give out to the MW:O community, to teach them the fluff. best bit? i'm just reading the trilogy again ;)
Really like these lore videos dude, please keep them coming. Do you have any suggestions on where I could pick up any extra reading/watching material on Battletech? Aside from the PC games I kinda missed out on a lot of the lore stuff and I'm starting to understand just how much of it there really is! lol
Read the novels. Alot of them are pretty cheap on amazon.
Grav - thanks, I'm gonna go have a mooch through now. Any recommendations on good ones to start off with?
Also this www.sarna.net/wiki/Main_Page Sarna is the bible when it comes to all things battletech/mechwarrior. You want to learn about a certain mech its their, you want to learn more about a battle it's their. Literally the website has everything you need to know. Enjoy o7
If you are talking about sarna.net my favorite thing to read about are the mercanaries of the inner sphere. My favorite being the Eridani Light Horse, the have an incredible story. If you are talking about novels, I just read the Grey Death Legion Trilogy, first book is " Decision at Thunder Rift" , fantastic series.
Thanks Grav, I'd used Sarna to look up mechs and read about their history... Guess I should've poked around a little more eh? I'll have a peek at the books too. Thanks again dude! o7
Thanks for doing this
great vid 👍
Criticallll , livestreammmmmmmm i miss itttttttttt
welp , next week you'll be there :P
What's are the best books that sum up most of the battletech's lore?
I really want to read them someday. :)
By the way, it was a good job again, so fascinating. :)
Try the Warrior Trilogy by Stackpole.
Thank you, I will. :)
decision at thunder rift if you want the feel of 3025, about 25 years before the clans show up. And when the Inner Sphere was struggling to keep mechs running. (Think remake of BSG and how resources forces them to fight in older vipers)
+Mike George
Oh, I would love to read it. I like the old times more because at time when the clans arrive, everyone's building mechs left and right. The battles feel a little bit empty. And I hope that MW5 gonna bring back that intensity. The last games that could do it was MW2 mercs and MW3 on higher difficulty.
The 'Twilight of the Clans' series would be a good one. The Inner Sphere unites under the banner of the Star League again and it's first action upon being reformed is to wipe out Clan Smoke Jaguar.
Didn't you do the Battle of Tukkayid series twice? If so, is there a playlist for each of them?
The original series wasn't as good because I didn't have access to the sourcebook at the time. So when I did get my hands on a copy I made a new version with the remastered name instead. The original was in two parts and I removed it from the playlist.
The WVE-9N. I don't like mechs that look like that. that look like a giant human being. Too Humanoid. way too Humanoid. I guess that's my preference though. Although I really do love the Grasshopper. That's about as humanoid as I'll go.
I guess the battletech books still had to get out of that whole 80s feel. 80s drawings. Late 80s Early 90s mech designs. not my cup of tea.
Everything else. spot on
The CHP-3N Awesome look
I think the Wyvern looks kind of scary with it's weirdly human face. Definitely the most unsettling of battlemechs though it at least stands out as being the only one to look so human in that way. At least things like the Grasshopper has an obviously robot like face. And yeah the Champion is cool, really want to see it in MWO.
FASA didn't have much money to spend on art work / let alone the art programs of now.
Mike George
That's true, so it's even more impressive that Loose got so many right back then.
Pay your HPG bills.
-Space AT&T
I command the AJSA MWO unit, and we'd happy to have you over as a guest, whenever you wish.
Wait Angry Joe's army is still playing MWO? I thought that whole schtick with Total Biscuit was a publicity stunt for MWO back in the day.
Mihajlo Knezevic Not still, the AJSA operates with his name, funding, etc, but we run our own units, events, details. Our unit has existed for about a year.
Send me a friend invite in game and we can talk about it :)
For those looking for a f2p game, there is Mechwarrior: Living Legends. Its the Warthunder of Battletech; mechs, tanks, power armor choppers and jets. clanjadewolf.net/mwll/
I was an adventurer till I took a ppc to the knee.
What happens next !!!!
well, the wolves won, bears and falcons achieved a draw and the rest lost
Spoilers!
Legend of the Jade Phoenix has the Jade Falcon point of view of this battle. Love reading about the comguard bitches dying.
And everyone else knows it from the Comguard perspective, where all the clan bitches died :D
Comstar are the bitches, Word of Blake... enough said!
Bah, it took an internal struggle to even dent Comguard. Clanners had nothing on them.
Why does the intro sound drunk?
That was the track I was given. It's actually a small part of the intro which I felt years ago kind of fit my videos. Never really felt the need to change it and honestly the fact someone gave me their music to use as an intro was pretty cool.
@@CriticalRocket What's the name of the song? I like the drunk kinda distorted sound of the guitar.
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cool video but i swear your just reading the Sarna wiki almost word for word
www.sarna.net/wiki/Battle_of_Tukayyid
Funny you should mention this. Yes these are the sarna versions which are holdovers while I was making a new Tukayyid series. The new ones will use the book content and be extended editions, while these are set to become something like "classic" or "lite".
The clan should have taken the permanent truce
No the clans should have joined forces and wiped comstar off the map. The wolves finally convinced ghost bear of this when they saved the retreating bear forces. The combined might of the remaining bears and the near full strength wolves could have been a lesson for the other clans. This could have turned the battle in the clans favor.
But as word of the other clans getting their asses handed to them started coming in, the wolves and bears decided to just protect their objectives. They did send a message to jade falcon about joining the coalition for lack of a better term, but the falcon's licked their wounds, took their ball and went home.
@@acehigh79 The Clans never had a chance in hell of defeating Comstar or the Inner Sphere. Their society and honor system is their greatest weakness when fighting because it prevents them from actually fighting a true total war. The clans just had slap-fights compared to the 4 succession wars with in under 300 years with the body counts in the billions in the Inner Sphere was used to. Not to mention the horribly handled supply lines for the invasion. Here is a hint the winner in a war is the side that will do anything to win not the side that hampers themselves for the sake of "Honnor". Remember pay your phone bill clanner scum.
If only this was Tex. Or any other accent
oo spicy :)
Really cool although the only thing I hate is how you can't pronounce the name Focht. It's pronounce F-o-sh-t, you keep saying it like 'fucked' the entire time and it's annoying. I would suggest before doing a video like this if it's a name you're not sure how to pronounce just google how to pronounce it. It should help things out. Sorry to point this out but it just got on my nerves while watching every time you did it.
Just did a google translate for the word and the audio sounds more like the harsh sound and not the soft one you mention above. Just asked a couple of german speaking folks in my discord and they told me the same. No need to apologise, but I am pretty sure I am using the German sound for the name.