I hope that they should make trade missions a natural progression from delivery missions, because it seems like a reasonable good way to prove your worth.
Yeah they already said they will scale up -- delivery missions, then outpost cargo missions, then distro missions. It's why outposts now have freight elevators with the 3.23.2 patch for small to medium cargo ships.
Roadmap roundup is good during the pre-evo droughts where we start finding out what's gonna be in said evo, but later in the patch cycle they're basically nothing. Also no Jake confirmed vehicles still not working with freight elevators. Classic CIG, late but still underdelivered.
Theyt said you'll be able to spawn vahicles from the new ASOP terminal in your hangar, and then spawn your ship, obviously it's not great but at least it's a nice workaround for the moment.
@@gankstrap Yeah but he was wondering if it was fixed for the elevators yet lol. It isn't. The workaround sucks anyway esp since it means we won't get the cargo missions for moving vehicles that the monthly report mentioned, no way those happen before freight elevators work fully.
All the things/features/items people want in SC will result in a program impossible to run on a commercially available computer, when this is all "finished".
how will instance hangars work when ie 10 people have a hangar 1, and the all want to exit it at the same time with their ship. Do they have to wait for each other, so 1 for 1 can exit the station?
@@gankstrap You only need the number when calling it from the screen. From what I have heard it will be the only hangar , unless your in a party with friends
@@gankstrap I meant the screen in the station when you ASOP Terminal ( as of now ) call your ship and it assigns you a hangar. Someone said it will only have your hangar listed there, or those of your party / friends
Regarding Rep, I hope that, SC being an MMO, they stop _penalizing_ you for grouping up. It makes sense that the money from a mission is divided between players, but when a mission description says, "find a ship, bring a crew" and then you get penalized for bringing a crew to the point where it's not worth doing unless you're solo... that's not fun or balanced. I could see a certain ammount of diminishing returns. Maybe the Tier of a mission is just simply for "n+1" players (the n being the Tier level, the +1 being the leader) for simple Merc missions. Then maybe "2n+1" for package retrieval missions. If your party is below the recommended size, you get a slight bonus to your rep gain, if your party is above the size, maybe a penalty around -5% for each member above the recommended number. But even then, I don't think your Rep gain should be so insignificant that it's effectively zero no matter how large a group you take.
I mean, given that the progress tracker is a lot further into the future they first need to have all teams planned out internally and given that they said that after 4.0 their end-goal is 1.0 (not meaning it is soon or that we get any dates/windows for it, just that the teams now get work to slowly build up to 1.0) they need to have a internal idea of what 1.0 actually is, what they need for it, in which order they want to develop it and then need to find the most immediate features based on all that and give them estimated timelines. I know it is very frustrating that the progress tracker takes this long but from what I can tell this is the most planning they have done since before 3.0 since once they hit 3.0 their next goal was 4.0 (all core tech up to static SM is complete) which they now have almost complete. Just think about how long they did nothing publicly between 2.6.x and 3.0 (I think that was a long wait, right. I am only on the project since 3.1). Also, as a first SQ42, second SC guy I am interested if we will get any progress tracker updates for SQ42 at all or if it will all be SC from now on and SQ42 has fully transitioned into a internal roadmap since I expect polishing (even just level-flow polishing) is much more reactionary and can therefore not be planned as well in advance.
And that right there is what I'm worried about. Devs that have left cig have said their internal structure is amess..most due to the fact content creation for sc was in a holding pattern
@@sosayweall2509 To be honest, I think we kind of knew that the internal structure of CIG is not the best over the entire lifespan of 3.x Why I am hopeful is because they need to restructure right now to get all SQ42 devs that transition to SC onboard which gives them the opportunity to improve their structure. In addition they also have gotten more managers over the last year which I think was badly needed since they expanded so much over the past few years (the CEO of Turbulant, Rich Tyrer coming over from SQ42, Benoit Beausejour), though unfortunately they of course also lost one with Todd Papy. In the end we will see how it works out
Cracks me up all the people thinking server meshing is going to make anything any different. 😂 I can’t wait to read the disappointment threads after it is in game.
Would like to see everything you can get a rep for, have their own shops. Even that Family trading business you can take transport deals for. Imagine if they offered cheaper, and better cargo boxes for transporting, or even cheaper or better mining ore sacks. Perhaps they have a distribution for ROCs and you can get them cheaper from their HQ in Crusader, etc. Let some things be universal that are always the same price, but let a few specially selected items also be sold, or given out special through reputation.
How do cargo hauling missions work do you think? Because if you don't have to pay for the cargo, what happens if you get pirated? Pirate gets money out of nowhere or its not worth anything. Both sketchy. Which only leaves having to invest a lot of your own money to do these missions.
@@OneTwoMark but it was Your last sentence mentioned that the hauler has to pay his own money as collateral, that won't be the case as stated several times with the mission team The only negative you have with failing to deliver is negative reputation, and obviously at one point no more hauling missions.
@@IronPhysik Nope my question was the worth of the cargo in the mission. If you’re simply given cargo to deliver, and paid on delivering it. What if someone pirates that cargo, you paid nothing for it. What does the pirate get for selling it? It would create an infinite money loop. Otherwise a solution to that would be paying for the cargo yourself. Not paying via collateral. Idk why you tried to argue what my question was when I was the one who asked it lol..
@@rasta77-x7o Right. Happy as I am about server meshing v1, it’s more like the true beginning of SC’s development than nearing the finish line. There’s a looooong way to go.
I think "dangerous" missions should require (for now) that you fly a certain direct route like Daymar- Crusader to A18- Lyria. Using those specific routes increases your risk for pirates. Conversely if you choose an alternate path you may not have enough time to arrive because the contract contains a timer.
Soo they haven't done the hangers, (need to invent tech to implement) ie: one of the first things they promised and announced they actually have not even started to fit in. Will they need more actual structures and lift tubeways to stations ECT so they actually exist in verse like the mandate of actual physicality in ships? I'm not a hauler really so not really bothers about a place to decorate, although it would be nice.
Dude it literally says it's commited wtf you on kekw Edit: also they are not physicalyzed in the world, they're instances that use the same hangar doors at the space ports.
Meet the cycle of sc..promise under or never deliver make excuses about tech deficit wait three years to reintroduce in a rudimentary state that goes through numerous reactors that look nothing like what was promised. They don't know how to.make an actual game and it shows
Roadmap Roundup isn't necessarily behind, it just isn't a complete view of what's on the internal roadmap because they don't want to spoil certain things too early.
Hey @SaltEMike I hope you never quit star citizen because sometimes when you're in the middle of your rant I think yeah this is the moment he's leaving 😭😂
@Achose how so? the guy hasn't even hit 100k views on one video, and most star citizen players have no idea who he is. why would this one dude be keeping CIG in check.
No! The point to all this is add time sink to a game that has no meaningful gameplay..It is not fun and engaging...I have a full time job, nobody has time for this space simulation except retired people or professional RUclipsrs that actually make money.
@SaltEMike: are you even stillplaying at this point ? I watched a coupleof your SC streams years ago and I remember you being an avid fan ? now all I see is you "critisizing". dont get me wrong, I understand and have lots of of the same positions... so I totally get your points
I cannot change the way I speak man, just stop watching if it bothers you. I have pet peeves about things just like that, but I just stop watching I don’t ask someone to change for me.
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I literally avoid watching the actual videos and wait for your reacts 😂
Same. Most of SC content creators are too high in the copium .. always excited for the next pie in the sky! Mike is more grounded 😂
Facts
Irs alright there wont be any actual videos to watch for 5 weeks XD
Same!
@@matuto1986 FACTS
My soul is ready for cargo elevators. it is screaming. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lol same brother. I might be more excited than i was for server meshing....almost haha.
Space truckin
😂😂😂
Armors, special paints, special access to different areas, cheaper refuel/repair/rearm, unique vendors, ships, rentals etc would be nice for rep.
Get ready for alot of disappointment
I hope that they should make trade missions a natural progression from delivery missions, because it seems like a reasonable good way to prove your worth.
Yeah they already said they will scale up -- delivery missions, then outpost cargo missions, then distro missions. It's why outposts now have freight elevators with the 3.23.2 patch for small to medium cargo ships.
I want a star citizen live with the marketing team. Someone make it happen.
That's every star citizen live they are just wearing dev masks
Roadmap roundup is good during the pre-evo droughts where we start finding out what's gonna be in said evo, but later in the patch cycle they're basically nothing. Also no Jake confirmed vehicles still not working with freight elevators. Classic CIG, late but still underdelivered.
Theyt said you'll be able to spawn vahicles from the new ASOP terminal in your hangar, and then spawn your ship, obviously it's not great but at least it's a nice workaround for the moment.
@@gankstrap Yeah but he was wondering if it was fixed for the elevators yet lol. It isn't. The workaround sucks anyway esp since it means we won't get the cargo missions for moving vehicles that the monthly report mentioned, no way those happen before freight elevators work fully.
How many times have they said "any day now" and put out a roadmap for none of what they promised to show up, 10 year now?
All the things/features/items people want in SC will result in a program impossible to run on a commercially available computer, when this is all "finished".
Dangerous cargo probably requires the features that come with Life Support, air volumes and stuff... and the fire.
Can NOT wait for the missile Reqct 😂 Foxy_Loxy out there OUTRUNNING size 5+ missiles in the ship he launches them from
i wonder how they do it bc not all ships can take all sice boxes so it proabbly has to work like the ejection of the reclaimer
They swapped this with the 4.0 roadmap roundup to hype people during invictus
Can anyone describe the difference between a personal hanger and an instance hamger?
Still waiting for ship to ship Docking, Zero Push Pull for years now
Funny how they sold a missile fighter before nerfing missiles into the ground with ridiculously slow speeds
This is when it all comes together!
how will instance hangars work when ie 10 people have a hangar 1, and the all want to exit it at the same time with their ship. Do they have to wait for each other, so 1 for 1 can exit the station?
I always get hangar 4 in NB :)
They get assigned hangar 2, 3, 4, 5, etc... You entering on hangar 1 doesn't mean you'll exit on the same one I guess.
@@gankstrap You only need the number when calling it from the screen. From what I have heard it will be the only hangar , unless your in a party with friends
@@tommeegunn9318The screen is now in the hangar, I dont understand what you mean by "it will be the only hangar" that makes 0 sense.
@@gankstrap I meant the screen in the station when you ASOP Terminal ( as of now ) call your ship and it assigns you a hangar. Someone said it will only have your hangar listed there, or those of your party / friends
Regarding Rep, I hope that, SC being an MMO, they stop _penalizing_ you for grouping up. It makes sense that the money from a mission is divided between players, but when a mission description says, "find a ship, bring a crew" and then you get penalized for bringing a crew to the point where it's not worth doing unless you're solo... that's not fun or balanced.
I could see a certain ammount of diminishing returns. Maybe the Tier of a mission is just simply for "n+1" players (the n being the Tier level, the +1 being the leader) for simple Merc missions. Then maybe "2n+1" for package retrieval missions. If your party is below the recommended size, you get a slight bonus to your rep gain, if your party is above the size, maybe a penalty around -5% for each member above the recommended number. But even then, I don't think your Rep gain should be so insignificant that it's effectively zero no matter how large a group you take.
3.23.2 has the potential to be absolutely fantastic, or a complete balls up.
Will the entirety of the player base be playing together when server meshing is out or what is that supposed to accomplish?
No
I think the RR are made a few weeks before they are released
Would CIG wait until after the big sale to postpone some important content? Like they have done for 12 years? Nooooo, surely not... /s
I mean, given that the progress tracker is a lot further into the future they first need to have all teams planned out internally and given that they said that after 4.0 their end-goal is 1.0 (not meaning it is soon or that we get any dates/windows for it, just that the teams now get work to slowly build up to 1.0) they need to have a internal idea of what 1.0 actually is, what they need for it, in which order they want to develop it and then need to find the most immediate features based on all that and give them estimated timelines.
I know it is very frustrating that the progress tracker takes this long but from what I can tell this is the most planning they have done since before 3.0 since once they hit 3.0 their next goal was 4.0 (all core tech up to static SM is complete) which they now have almost complete. Just think about how long they did nothing publicly between 2.6.x and 3.0 (I think that was a long wait, right. I am only on the project since 3.1).
Also, as a first SQ42, second SC guy I am interested if we will get any progress tracker updates for SQ42 at all or if it will all be SC from now on and SQ42 has fully transitioned into a internal roadmap since I expect polishing (even just level-flow polishing) is much more reactionary and can therefore not be planned as well in advance.
And that right there is what I'm worried about. Devs that have left cig have said their internal structure is amess..most due to the fact content creation for sc was in a holding pattern
@@sosayweall2509 To be honest, I think we kind of knew that the internal structure of CIG is not the best over the entire lifespan of 3.x
Why I am hopeful is because they need to restructure right now to get all SQ42 devs that transition to SC onboard which gives them the opportunity to improve their structure. In addition they also have gotten more managers over the last year which I think was badly needed since they expanded so much over the past few years (the CEO of Turbulant, Rich Tyrer coming over from SQ42, Benoit Beausejour), though unfortunately they of course also lost one with Todd Papy.
In the end we will see how it works out
Cracks me up all the people thinking server meshing is going to make anything any different. 😂
I can’t wait to read the disappointment threads after it is in game.
Are the persistent hangars actually mini servers meshed with the game server? If so couldn't you hypothetically cram 800 players in a single hanger?
Whats the biggest ship that will be able to fit in a hanger?
@@tommeegunn9318 890 jump I think
Would like to see everything you can get a rep for, have their own shops. Even that Family trading business you can take transport deals for. Imagine if they offered cheaper, and better cargo boxes for transporting, or even cheaper or better mining ore sacks. Perhaps they have a distribution for ROCs and you can get them cheaper from their HQ in Crusader, etc.
Let some things be universal that are always the same price, but let a few specially selected items also be sold, or given out special through reputation.
How do cargo hauling missions work do you think? Because if you don't have to pay for the cargo, what happens if you get pirated? Pirate gets money out of nowhere or its not worth anything. Both sketchy. Which only leaves having to invest a lot of your own money to do these missions.
you get a reputation hit for not completing the missions, its that easy....
@@IronPhysik That wasn’t my question lol
@@OneTwoMark but it was
Your last sentence mentioned that the hauler has to pay his own money as collateral, that won't be the case as stated several times with the mission team
The only negative you have with failing to deliver is negative reputation, and obviously at one point no more hauling missions.
@@IronPhysik Nope my question was the worth of the cargo in the mission. If you’re simply given cargo to deliver, and paid on delivering it. What if someone pirates that cargo, you paid nothing for it. What does the pirate get for selling it? It would create an infinite money loop. Otherwise a solution to that would be paying for the cargo yourself. Not paying via collateral. Idk why you tried to argue what my question was when I was the one who asked it lol..
@@OneTwoMark the cargo worth doesn't matter, it's that simple
The only risk the hauler has is reputation
Salvage missions actively kill the point of salvaging. I hope it’s nothing more than a test feature.
How does it kill the point of Salvage?
Amazing game. Once they get meshing added and tuned, they have more players interacting together data, which will greatly improve the game
Once they implement it in another 5 years they might call it a game. How long are we gonna repeat the same thing over and over.
@@woodybear3823 uhh meshing is going to be in the next patch lol, for q3
Static meshing, v1. The real juice allegedly comes with dynamic server meshing, v2 or v3, which is at least a year off.
I've heard it's going to be so good once this next tech or patch comes soon... For a decade. lol
@@rasta77-x7o Right. Happy as I am about server meshing v1, it’s more like the true beginning of SC’s development than nearing the finish line. There’s a looooong way to go.
Can we have mission like. Transport 140scu of titanium from point A to point B you know real cargo
I think "dangerous" missions should require (for now) that you fly a certain direct route like Daymar- Crusader to A18- Lyria. Using those specific routes increases your risk for pirates. Conversely if you choose an alternate path you may not have enough time to arrive because the contract contains a timer.
Inb4 cargo missions only payout 30k at max and we are left with another boring loop
It’s always going to be this way. CIG will never give up their cash cow of selling us ships and making it easier to just buy with cash.
Soo they haven't done the hangers, (need to invent tech to implement) ie: one of the first things they promised and announced they actually have not even started to fit in.
Will they need more actual structures and lift tubeways to stations ECT so they actually exist in verse like the mandate of actual physicality in ships?
I'm not a hauler really so not really bothers about a place to decorate, although it would be nice.
Dude it literally says it's commited wtf you on kekw
Edit: also they are not physicalyzed in the world, they're instances that use the same hangar doors at the space ports.
Meet the cycle of sc..promise under or never deliver make excuses about tech deficit wait three years to reintroduce in a rudimentary state that goes through numerous reactors that look nothing like what was promised. They don't know how to.make an actual game and it shows
Space Truck Simulator let's gooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 😍
Starship Simulator is the new dream. SC is dead.
Roadmap Roundup isn't necessarily behind, it just isn't a complete view of what's on the internal roadmap because they don't want to spoil certain things too early.
I have four words for you: MISSLE REWORK POO POO
They do some grimey shit....but I love them...battered gamer syndrome on full display
Cargo mission are just bad. 20k for moving 8crates going to 4 different location is boring af
Hey @SaltEMike I hope you never quit star citizen because sometimes when you're in the middle of your rant I think yeah this is the moment he's leaving 😭😂
He can't go, cuz no one else has devs in his chat listening to his rants. I believe 100% mikes takes are what are keeping the fire under CIG.
@@alexanderdooley5833 a guy with 16k subs isnt lighting a fire under CIG
@@LuckyAJC ure so slow
@Achose how so? the guy hasn't even hit 100k views on one video, and most star citizen players have no idea who he is. why would this one dude be keeping CIG in check.
This is how he makes a living. He will keep milking you as long as CIG keeps milking you.
No! The point to all this is add time sink to a game that has no meaningful gameplay..It is not fun and engaging...I have a full time job, nobody has time for this space simulation except retired people or professional RUclipsrs that actually make money.
@SaltEMike: are you even stillplaying at this point ? I watched a coupleof your SC streams years ago and I remember you being an avid fan ? now all I see is you "critisizing".
dont get me wrong, I understand and have lots of of the same positions... so I totally get your points
700 million ways to stay dilusional
Gg
Mike I love you but my god stop saying “right?” after most of your sentences. Avenger 1 does this and it’s pretty cringe.
I cannot change the way I speak man, just stop watching if it bothers you. I have pet peeves about things just like that, but I just stop watching I don’t ask someone to change for me.
Grown man using the word cringe is cringey
"stop having mannerisms" 🤡
It's probably a mild autistic tic... don't think Mike can help it.
Don’t say “my god,” my man.