The Federation being the aggressors for once is a nice change of pace, it does show how militarised starfleet was in the Sulu Era and how many of its officers were spoiling for the fight which would never come. Neither side being completely responsible or completely innocent with the responsibility for the crisis makes it a mark on both powers that both probably want to forget, the being if there's anyone left to forget.
Yeah. I felt it was important that the federation had a portion of responsibility. There needs to be a reason why starfleet went from Militant like in the TMP era to what we see in TNG
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I agree, Roddenberry may not have liked the Federation "sneaking about" like the Klingons and Romulans, but it makes sense that even they would at some point have tried their luck with cloaking devices. Personally i tend to agree with Admiral Pressman from the TNG episode "The Pegasus" on this.
I thought of a plot line where the Federation just finished its war with the Gorn which it just lost (Vietnam, Afghanistan anyone). Of course none of the show writers are that intelligent.
The greatest danger when fighting in the dark, is the increased risk of hitting the wrong target. The buildup of tension here is indeed most thrilling; And there is quite a lot of voice actors for this video. I look forward to part 2.
Man it's hard to believe the Tomed incident started only a few years after the decomissioning of the Enterprise A and the supposed death of Captain Kirk after the launching of the Enterprise B.
This is a great filling of the void. The uncovered years between Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country and the beginning of The Next Generation. I love the suspense and the story building.
Great stuff. Reminds me of Star Fleet Battles Captains Log magazine issue that covered the 'Day of the Eagle', the day when the Romulan Star Empire invaded the Federation during the General War that is part of the history of that game system.
I've been watching your stuff for a long time my friend and I love it. You just keep bringing out good work man. We appreciate your love for Star Trek. May Star Trek never die. Just get better
EXCELLENT!! I'll be late for work, but it is worth it! This was kept my attention throughout, the drama, the politics, AND Excelsior IIs! What more could we want?
I've been waiting for this vid. Thanks for making this vid. I've always wondered what happened during the tomed incident. Really looking forward to part 2 😃👍
They need you in the writer’s room at Paramount. Also, I heard Drachinifel in there. I thought he wasn’t interested in ships after 1950. His about 350 years off there ;p
Wasn't the Paulson Nebula the same Nebula the Galaxy Class Enterprise D hid in from the Borg so if that was true the Enterprise D was near the area that started the Tomed Incident nearly 80 years earlier.
I really like that you had the Federation be the instigator of the incident and it was the Romulans responding to what they see as something to close to their borders. I feel most people would have written the incident being the Romulans fault for setting something up instead. Good choice not going the cliché route.
In fairness, we kinda see something similar between the Federation and Dominion in DS9. Plus, we're probably still in an era where more military minded personnel led Starfleet, before we get the more pacifistic Starfleet of TNG. The Tomed Incident might've been the trigger for the shift between the two "eras."
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I mean this is not long after Khitomer, where Federation admirals were willing to attempt an assassination of the Federation President just to avoid signing a peace treaty with the Klingons and demilitarizing their fleets. There could be sympathizers of the assassins or even people who knew of or helped organize the attempt that were able to slip past any judicial investigations that are in positions of power. These people might be leading a more militant faction that sees "aggressive pacifism" as the only way to protect the Federation from the real war mongers of the Romulans. In there mind they are not being aggressive at all. Only protecting peace by preparing for war.
Oooh, very fun! Very tight. I take it as well that both sides have fully fortified thier primary borders and have large fleets ready? And the Romulans know that Starfleet is sending a large relief force? Nice seeing Commodore Sulu take the field.
Really like your realistic approach and, as a fellow Romulan fan, I greatly appreciate the idea your are going for the Tomed Incident, that includes Starfleet cloaked ships and open war risks, as opposed to the solution provided in the Serpents in the Ruin book, that I really have not liked. Jolan Tru!
To be perfectly honest, I always thought that the core reason of the Tomed Incident was that in the wake of the failure of the Transwarp program for the Excelsior class, Starfleet had been able to glean a great deal of information regarding higher order subspace physics and warp engine design from the technology developed for the quote unquote Great Experiment. Thereby Federation engineers and designers were able to develop a new miniaturized disposable warp propulsion system capable of being fitted to an essentially a stretched photon torpedo casing, creating a short interstellar range moderate warp factor capable strike weapon i.e., Space Tomahawk fitted with an outrageously high yield matter-antimatter warhead or Tri-cobalt device, coupled to the cloaking device equipped Mark-II Excelsior class Heavy Cruiser, now you have a proper Starfleet 'Boomer'.
A thought regarding the Treaty of Algernon... Is it possible, that working along a different path from the Klingons and Romulans, Starfleet developed in the Excelsior II class, a Cloaking Device that the Romulans couldn't effectively counter.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes, but that is an earlier model. Even more outdated than the type the Romulans gave the Klingons. Therefore, its possible and likely that Starfleet went down a different path developing the Cloaking Device. Possibly something the Romulans hadn't thought of. Some workaround do to the Federation not having the Romulan's understanding of Gravity manipulation.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah armed with 2 Warheads as Voyager fast and nimble and would have been attach to DS9 plus in another timeline sensors allowed Starfleet to rapidly adapt to the Dominion plus from the year of hell know how much a beating maybe even destroy the wormhole if need be or hit a Dominion forward base
@@venomgeekmedia9886 or simply the Excelsior Refit. However that would imply they where built from the ground up farther than just being modified excelsior’s
What are the ship classes in Sulu's task force? I see Centaurs in front, second row unknown, Excelsiors Mirandas Constitutions Constellations in the middle, and in the back row there are a couple of classes I can't identify.
I am also an American & my family can be traced back to London & N. Ireland through my Great Grandparents. My DNA profile is even 69.8% British. I absolutely love the UK & I have to watch BBC America & Britbox just to not be sad. Queen Elizabeth II was like no other & there will never be anyone like her again. If there ever was a "people's Queen" it was most definitely her & I'm referring to the people of the world, not just the UK.
I feel stupid for not thinking of tricobalt mounted torpedoes as being so destructive they could be Payload equivalent to a boomer's missile load. Very well done with that and letting Starfleet FINALLY do being coy and dumb with using their own cloaking devices.
This is your best work Venom Geek Media, hands down! Super excited for the next part, can't wait! Who needs new Trek when we have you? (Minor note: I actually liked Star Trek Discovery and Strange New Worlds)
Looking at it the Excelsior Class Mark 2 U.S.S. Ohio was built in the same style as the Enterprise B so if that is true wouldn't the Enterprise B also be an Excelsior Mark 2 Class.
An excellent video, we always heard about the tomed incident but never knew the details. I can't wait for part 2 . Can you do one about the khitomer massacre during the romulan / Klingon conflicts?
By the way speaking of Admiral Jarrod in Defector was there really was a base and Romulans rush to make it look like a trap and hoping the Federation not look deeper and a bonus catch the Enterprise
I have to echo that I somehow really like the idea of Starfleet and the Federation being instigators. Aside from games of one-upmanship, that the Romulans could play games with 3rd parties clearly coming and going with their blessing, and who knows what tomfoolery and black ops those unknown forces are doing being a major impetus for the Federation. Despite the peaceful end of the Federation and Klingon cold war, it is also clear that a destabilized Klingon Empire has only increased uncertainty from that direction as well. I can see a Starfleet that is frustrated at one hand, but also emboldened by its cold war victory over the Klingon Empire, to try and push for a similar outcome with the Romulans. Even if they were the ones to force the Romulans to make the decisive move. Strangely enough, by being more 'open', more 'research minded', and engaging in a blockade, the Romulans are using the Federation's playbook. Small wonder, in a way. The Federation and Starfleet have never been so militant and mobilized before in a time of peace.
The Federation being the aggressors for once is a nice change of pace, it does show how militarised starfleet was in the Sulu Era and how many of its officers were spoiling for the fight which would never come. Neither side being completely responsible or completely innocent with the responsibility for the crisis makes it a mark on both powers that both probably want to forget, the being if there's anyone left to forget.
Yeah. I felt it was important that the federation had a portion of responsibility. There needs to be a reason why starfleet went from Militant like in the TMP era to what we see in TNG
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I agree, Roddenberry may not have liked the Federation "sneaking about" like the Klingons and Romulans, but it makes sense that even they would at some point have tried their luck with cloaking devices. Personally i tend to agree with Admiral Pressman from the TNG episode "The Pegasus" on this.
@paladindanse2989they were practically building a gun pointed at the head of Romulus.
@paladindanse2989Very Cuban missile crisis of Starfleet.
This is a wonderful addition to the Star Trek universe.
Man, you deserve A LOT more subs AND the job as chief story designer for Star Trek.
I thought of a plot line where the Federation just finished its war with the Gorn which it just lost (Vietnam, Afghanistan anyone).
Of course none of the show writers are that intelligent.
@@Marinealver , we didn't lose Afghanistan. Our weak leaders did that when they gave up Bagram airfield.
He really does ay, this channel should easily be top 3 for star trek on YT and easily 500k+ subs
This is giving me Cuban Missile Crisis vibes. Great work.
The greatest danger when fighting in the dark, is the increased risk of hitting the wrong target.
The buildup of tension here is indeed most thrilling; And there is quite a lot of voice actors for this video. I look forward to part 2.
Precisely. Glad you liked the voice work too.
Thank you for dedicating this episode to our late Queen. Here in Britain she is much missed and still very loved 🇬🇧
Indeed i agree
Screw the Monarchy
@@_Omega_Weapon how dare you i m a British monarcho-nationlist
I'll just say that the dedication brought a small tear to my eye. Too bloody right.
Man it's hard to believe the Tomed incident started only a few years after the decomissioning of the Enterprise A and the supposed death of Captain Kirk after the launching of the Enterprise B.
This is a great filling of the void. The uncovered years between Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country and the beginning of The Next Generation. I love the suspense and the story building.
Yeah. Slowly but steadily filling in the lost era.
Great stuff. Reminds me of Star Fleet Battles Captains Log magazine issue that covered the 'Day of the Eagle', the day when the Romulan Star Empire invaded the Federation during the General War that is part of the history of that game system.
Great stuff. I’m really impressed by the way you’re incorporating real world style Cold War tensions into the plot line.
Love the cold war. I highly recommend the Kenneth brannagh narrated documentary.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I’ll have to check that out.
I've been watching your stuff for a long time my friend and I love it. You just keep bringing out good work man. We appreciate your love for Star Trek. May Star Trek never die. Just get better
A stupendous video! It really cleared up a lot of questions save for one. I always wondered how Tri-Cobalt torpedoes worked.
EXCELLENT!! I'll be late for work, but it is worth it! This was kept my attention throughout, the drama, the politics, AND Excelsior IIs! What more could we want?
that whole scientific achievement showing gives a new look on the whole "seek out new life and civilization" as a nice way to dunk on the other power
Absolutely fantastic Venom, i must say I am a massive fan of the Nova and the storytelling.
Glad I've been able to give people an appreciation of this classic ship.
I can't wait for part 2! Great story telling sir!
1k like. Great stuff. Really cool having the extra readers. Awesome stuff with Drach
I've been waiting for this vid. Thanks for making this vid. I've always wondered what happened during the tomed incident. Really looking forward to part 2 😃👍
They need you in the writer’s room at Paramount. Also, I heard Drachinifel in there. I thought he wasn’t interested in ships after 1950. His about 350 years off there ;p
Brilliant work as always! I'm on the edge of my seat!
I'm getting totally siked up for this. I fell in love with the Nova in your first video on it.
As have I
Pinned Comment for Q&A.
Part 2: ruclips.net/video/G7vQ1eIBO7I/видео.html
Have you ever given thought to doing a video on the logistic fleets of the major powers?
Was that Drach!!!??!? Whaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!! Lololol okay that’s badass Venom.
Possibly...
Wow...well done! I am looking forward to the next episode in this series.
Fantastic work sir!
Nicely done.
Almost wishing you had done a "Best of Both World" bom! bom! bom! with that verdammt "to be continued"
Looking forward to Part II
I was tempted...
My Hats off to you and your crew for such and excellent production. It Blew me away!!! Keep them coming
Wasn't the Paulson Nebula the same Nebula the Galaxy Class Enterprise D hid in from the Borg so if that was true the Enterprise D was near the area that started the Tomed Incident nearly 80 years earlier.
It certainly was.
I thoroughly enjoyed that. I'm very much looking forward to the next one. Great work!
Awesome work , as usual.
Excellent video. Eagerly awaiting part 2.
Great work, like watching a history documentary, but set in the future. Looking forward to seeing more. Cheers
This was an outstanding production!
Really excellent work dude.
Drach! Nice to see you here!
Wow. Nicely done. Can't wait for the next one!
I really like that you had the Federation be the instigator of the incident and it was the Romulans responding to what they see as something to close to their borders. I feel most people would have written the incident being the Romulans fault for setting something up instead.
Good choice not going the cliché route.
In fairness, we kinda see something similar between the Federation and Dominion in DS9. Plus, we're probably still in an era where more military minded personnel led Starfleet, before we get the more pacifistic Starfleet of TNG. The Tomed Incident might've been the trigger for the shift between the two "eras."
Yeah starfleet is perfectly capable of being war-mongers when it wants to.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I mean this is not long after Khitomer, where Federation admirals were willing to attempt an assassination of the Federation President just to avoid signing a peace treaty with the Klingons and demilitarizing their fleets.
There could be sympathizers of the assassins or even people who knew of or helped organize the attempt that were able to slip past any judicial investigations that are in positions of power. These people might be leading a more militant faction that sees "aggressive pacifism" as the only way to protect the Federation from the real war mongers of the Romulans.
In there mind they are not being aggressive at all. Only protecting peace by preparing for war.
Wonderful addition and Superb narration.
I've been waiting for this for a while double thumbs up
A great video, thank you for making it!!!
Oooh, very fun! Very tight. I take it as well that both sides have fully fortified thier primary borders and have large fleets ready? And the Romulans know that Starfleet is sending a large relief force?
Nice seeing Commodore Sulu take the field.
Very dramatic! 😍
However, from a military standpoint, it was stupid to have a base so far out that it could not be readily supported.
Legit great. Reminds me of World War Z. Very good stuff.
Reminds me of 1980s nuclear war films like "The Day After" and "Countdown to Looking Glass".
A very deliberate choice.
Great narrative and great dedication!
Really like your realistic approach and, as a fellow Romulan fan, I greatly appreciate the idea your are going for the Tomed Incident, that includes Starfleet cloaked ships and open war risks, as opposed to the solution provided in the Serpents in the Ruin book, that I really have not liked.
Jolan Tru!
Glad you liked it. Joan tru.
Great video. Worth the wait, however I can't wait for part 2!!!!
Oooh, exciting! Can't wait for the next part.
what starfleet ship is that, the one you are displaying at 5:41 in your video?
Amazing writing and graphics!
This is good stuff. Very well done.👍👍👍
Looks like a part 2 is coming.
I recognize one of the voice actors as "Drachenfel" Excellent choice!
Great voice acting! Bravo
This is fantastic! “The Lost Years” not so lost?!
To be perfectly honest, I always thought that the core reason of the Tomed Incident was that in the wake of the failure of the Transwarp program for the Excelsior class, Starfleet had been able to glean a great deal of information regarding higher order subspace physics and warp engine design from the technology developed for the quote unquote Great Experiment. Thereby Federation engineers and designers were able to develop a new miniaturized disposable warp propulsion system capable of being fitted to an essentially a stretched photon torpedo casing, creating a short interstellar range moderate warp factor capable strike weapon i.e., Space Tomahawk fitted with an outrageously high yield matter-antimatter warhead or Tri-cobalt device, coupled to the cloaking device equipped Mark-II Excelsior class Heavy Cruiser, now you have a proper Starfleet 'Boomer'.
Interesting idea... space SLBMs
Wonderful just Wonderful I love the story 😍 keep it up man and God bless the queen
Can't wait for part 2!!
A thought regarding the Treaty of Algernon... Is it possible, that working along a different path from the Klingons and Romulans, Starfleet developed in the Excelsior II class, a Cloaking Device that the Romulans couldn't effectively counter.
Possibly although it's likely they reverse engineered the captured the cloak from the enterprise incident.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes, but that is an earlier model. Even more outdated than the type the Romulans gave the Klingons. Therefore, its possible and likely that Starfleet went down a different path developing the Cloaking Device. Possibly something the Romulans hadn't thought of. Some workaround do to the Federation not having the Romulan's understanding of Gravity manipulation.
i wonder with Voyager armed with warheads since slated to be assign to DS9
Hmm... when she was on a mission to track down the maquis.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah armed with 2 Warheads as Voyager fast and nimble and would have been attach to DS9 plus in another timeline sensors allowed Starfleet to rapidly adapt to the Dominion plus from the year of hell know how much a beating maybe even destroy the wormhole if need be or hit a Dominion forward base
That was really good, thank you
The romulans learned the term fuck around and find out
Isn’t the Excelsior 2 the one in Picard? The Enterprise B was a refit,
Yeah picard kinda confused the distinction the better name now would be the B type excelsior
@@venomgeekmedia9886 or simply the Excelsior Refit. However that would imply they where built from the ground up farther than just being modified excelsior’s
Lots of fun, a Ken Burns film on Treks lost era.
What are the ship classes in Sulu's task force? I see Centaurs in front, second row unknown, Excelsiors Mirandas Constitutions Constellations in the middle, and in the back row there are a couple of classes I can't identify.
Columbia classes and refits of the Walker-class - the Columbia is a reskin of the NX for TMP aesthetic choices, and the Walker is of course from DIS.
great work!!! entertaining
I just want to say as a American I had massive respect for Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip and was very saddened by their passing.
I am also an American & my family can be traced back to London & N. Ireland through my Great Grandparents. My DNA profile is even 69.8% British. I absolutely love the UK & I have to watch BBC America & Britbox just to not be sad. Queen Elizabeth II was like no other & there will never be anyone like her again. If there ever was a "people's Queen" it was most definitely her & I'm referring to the people of the world, not just the UK.
As an American
The only good republicans wear ski masks and gloves
Thank you!
Cringe and pathetic
My only regret is I can’t like this twice.
Yes you can just make a second account
Awesome story well done can't wait for more
Issuing the quarntine should have been the final act. As soon as the Federation learned of it, they should have ceased operations and withdrawn.
I feel stupid for not thinking of tricobalt mounted torpedoes as being so destructive they could be Payload equivalent to a boomer's missile load. Very well done with that and letting Starfleet FINALLY do being coy and dumb with using their own cloaking devices.
Yep as plasma torpedoes are like thermonuclear bombs.
i put these videos on when i want to relax😊
Janar sounds familiar...
This has been referenced a few times in star trek but never really broken down or gone into detail....
"How do you like them antimatter apples?"
This is your best work Venom Geek Media, hands down! Super excited for the next part, can't wait! Who needs new Trek when we have you? (Minor note: I actually liked Star Trek Discovery and Strange New Worlds)
Your too kind.
I totally recognize drachenfel's voice in this video. Thats damn cool he's in this.
In Sulu's task force, I sss ships I don't recognise in the 2nd rank. What class is that?
This is great. Reminds me of the Venezuela Crisis of the Morocco Crises
So enjoying the storyline
Enjoying the FASA love in this.
I can't wait for this!
Looking at it the Excelsior Class Mark 2 U.S.S. Ohio was built in the same style as the Enterprise B so if that is true wouldn't the Enterprise B also be an Excelsior Mark 2 Class.
20:52 6 x Excelsior's. Starfleet was not messing about!
An excellent video, we always heard about the tomed incident but never knew the details. I can't wait for part 2 . Can you do one about the khitomer massacre during the romulan / Klingon conflicts?
That is next on the list...
Soma narration by Drachinifel. Nice!
By the way speaking of Admiral Jarrod in Defector was there really was a base and Romulans rush to make it look like a trap and hoping the Federation not look deeper and a bonus catch the Enterprise
The closest the Federation had ever been to a Second Romulan War.
The treaty of algeron nix that idea of cloaked federation ships
Yes... which is what this is about
Now this would be a fun TFO or mission in STO you should see if they would listen.
I have to echo that I somehow really like the idea of Starfleet and the Federation being instigators. Aside from games of one-upmanship, that the Romulans could play games with 3rd parties clearly coming and going with their blessing, and who knows what tomfoolery and black ops those unknown forces are doing being a major impetus for the Federation. Despite the peaceful end of the Federation and Klingon cold war, it is also clear that a destabilized Klingon Empire has only increased uncertainty from that direction as well.
I can see a Starfleet that is frustrated at one hand, but also emboldened by its cold war victory over the Klingon Empire, to try and push for a similar outcome with the Romulans. Even if they were the ones to force the Romulans to make the decisive move. Strangely enough, by being more 'open', more 'research minded', and engaging in a blockade, the Romulans are using the Federation's playbook. Small wonder, in a way. The Federation and Starfleet have never been so militant and mobilized before in a time of peace.
Very touching tribute to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth ll What a wonderful and beautiful lady she will be missed
Do you believe the d’derideks nacelles have disrupters like Star Trek bridge commander?
yeah i mean they are big enough to mount them and they would help cover blind spots
20:10 didnt know reach was a star trek planet😗
Didn't Cdr. T'Pol mention the Tomed event in 'Kir'Shara'? Shouldn't she be mentioned here somehow?
I would be embarrassed to be the Captain of a giant Roulette Wheel (with Nacelle's) 🤢 Damn that IRS, now they got spaceships ! 🤣
which one is the giant roulette wheel?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 > the USS Stargazer (Picard's 1st Command) was this type of ship. 😀
It's 10 to 15 years ago I came across this website I mentioned ☺
VenomGeek story telling on RUclips is infinitely better than the crap they are calling "Star Trek" nowadays.
Captain Checkov is commanding officer of the Potemkin? Really?
Yeah. Beta Canon has him as sulus XO but it would stand to reason he'd get his own command.