Wings of the Federation: 'Assimilate This!'
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- here it is the 1st of a new series covering the starships of the federation. today we cover the Anti-borg Starfleet from fan favorites like the Sovereign Akira and Defiant. to the more obscure workhorses like the Saber, Norway, and Steamrunner.
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_" Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep and sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."_
- Quark
An animal is most dangerous when it is cornered after all. If one is stupid enough to put humans in a corner, to attempt to strike at us, we will strike back. With the speed, strength, ferocity, and relentlessness that will not stop until the would be threat is pacified into alliance, shattered into submission, or extinguished from existence.
May fate find pity on any foolhardy enough to reawaken the sleeping giant and fill us will a unyielding resolve.
Glory to the GTU!
Glory to the GTU and the quote, in my opinion is the best of quark, it shows that he on the outside is stereotypical caring only about money but has underlying wisdom and understands that technology can form a society like it formed the federation, knock them back to the stone age and everything they built and all their principles will be soon forgotten just so that they can survive.
so while quark annoyed me most of the time, he is one of the most knowledgeable characters when it come to society and knows about how humans and others can be savage
@@ISAF_Ace Very much so, Quark knows that it's good business to know your customers.
And sometimes that means knowing not only what the customer wants, but what happens when the customer keeps having a lot of bad days in a row.
@@alexandermackie7621 if you can relate with the customer and understand their own politics and species then you can get to their level then you can understand what they want, how they want it, as so profit from it
interesting how many alien races have similar thoughts about humans.
"dont push the pink-skins on thin ice"
-Shran
"Don't push the pink skins to the thin ice." The Borg found that just as prophetic as the Klingons did in the Four Years War.
@mandellorian The fact that we don't let dangerous stop us helps as well. There are people out there today who say you can't have a colony ship, it's dangerous out there. Dang right it is. Crossing the ocean was dangerous too. So was crossing the plains, valleys and mountains. So was going to the Moon. Humans laugh at Danger.
@@kellyrayburn4093 No danger, no thrill ..
no challenge, no glory/ renown ..
No valor/ (rise above others) shown, no honor gain.
Hell, we used to hunt bears for sport with spears.
Horses normally run from any kind of danger and are easily spooked, yet we can train them to charge into life & death encounters with predators as we ride them.
I would love to see TPOL'S PINK SKIN! If you know what I mean😺
@@harry-thepug76 well that escalated quickly
@@markmontagna7637 That mindset is how the humans ended up everywhere and marrying anything we can put our dick in.
The USS Defiant, also known as "A set of brass knuckles with a warp core"
Definitely lives up to the title of Brawler.
And the U.S.S Ben Sisko's Muther Fu&%$#@ Pimp Hand.
@@jonmcgee6987 I loved Picard's style of (generally) even leadship. But Sisko was the man I would want leading me, that character was a stone cold badass.
Edit: Missed a word.
@@chaosreaver3597 Picard, I would call the perfect peace time Starfleet captain. He's erudite, diplomatic, very much the model of a gentleman explorer. Sisko, is a War Captain, just as intelligent as Picard I would say, but rougher and more direct, never afraid to get his hands dirty and frequently down in the trenches with his crew. I love both of them, but I could never picture Picard beating the snot out of a Jem'Hadar with his bare hands
@@weldonwin When it comes down to it, Picard was the model of the Federation ideals, a scholar and diplomat at all times but only a soldier when necessary, someone you could aspire to be even in the real world. Sisko was the more pragmatic warrior type, a guy who recognizes that sometimes force needs to be met with force and you can't talk you way out of everything, but he'll be dammed if that costs him those under his command. I can respect an idealist but would rather work for a pragmatist.
The anti borg design line has my favourite starfleet ship classes of all time, the elegant sovereign and small mean defiant.
"Sto-Vo-Kor Express" best Defiant nickname eVeR.
Under the command of Captain Jack Burton no doubt
oh thats a good name xD xD
i named my STO Defiant "USS Shoryuken"
I prefere the good old "The Siskos pimphand"
"Bug-cruncher" is another one
How about “Sisko send his regards”?
Also those pulse phasers on the Defiant, I read somewhere that the mechanism of operation was to delay phaser discharges in the matrix of the emitter for a few nanoseconds getting shorter on delay each time. This resulted in an "onion" layer effect with multiple energy layers being "stacked" in a single pulse. They were more effective as the phaser frequency could be rotated on these layers making a composite pulse to which the Borg would find it harder to fully adapt.
that would also explain the higher damage per shot.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes, I think it was from an old article I read years ago, never saw that explanation since. Your material on ST is the most comprehensive nay the best on youtube by the way. The video on the Scimitar perfectly explained why the Remans had such a sophisticated ship, something that was previously puzzling me, to say the least.
it also appeared that like the phasers in tmp they were directly connected to the warp reactor as they are on the nacells
If a pulse phaser barrage hit you A-OUCH I say!
“Q” is the one character that opened the eyes of the federation without putting them at risk in the 2nd season of TNG. Before that, the federation wasn’t aware of the borgs existence.
true but nor were the borg aware of the federation.
@@venomgeekmedia9886
Wellllll The borg where innately aware of the federation....due to the finding of the remains of a certain borg sphere by humans conducting research in the artic circle in 2153. unknowingly reactivating a drone leading to there assimilation, and attempt to return to the collective. Star Fleet orders Captain Archer to rescue the researchers. Ending up with him destroying them. learning from his doctor after he purged the borg nanoprobes from his body that the "unkown" Alien beings they just encountered had sent a distress call in the direction of the Delta Quadrant giving earths location. but T'Pol states that it will take 200 years to reach its destination. the Borg Cube that Q scares (More like Warns) them with was already on its way. the Queen learned of first contact, her destruction, and of juicy Fed tech in 2353. the borg t-warp Networks closest exit was 14 years away from earth near the border of the delta and beta Quadrant. in 2364 the borg meet the enterprise 11 years after they exit t-warp net. 3 years later in 2367 the borg enter wolf 359. So in conclusion, the borg knew of the fed for 11 yrs b4 encountering the enterprise-d. yet humans knew about the borg and the Delta Quadrant for 200yrs...and got their ass whooped...but why do today, what you can do 200yrs from now...
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yes they were. They were made aware of humans by a 200 year old transmission sent by the Borg survivors of First Contact. Following that, the Borg sent ships towards Federation space, assimilating a score of planets along the Federation and Romulan neutral zone before the Q's first contact with the Borg ever took place.
They were aware, remember 7 of 9. Her parents were sent to investigate the borg, and they were given a whole science ship. Federation just didn't think they were a threat. I bet section 8 knew about the borg..lol hence the conspiracy with wolf 359.
And by the Federation green lighting the Quantum Torpedoes. You mean them being locked in a room with Commander Sisko holding a baseball bat lol.
'Baseball! Motherf***er'
He named the bat Jennifer.
@@pdehoff1 he is the savior of bajor!
"This is gonna hurt... a lot." Sisko
It's truly scary how easy that is to imagine!
" They needed to respond to a uncivilized threat in a civilised time and for that they needed a warriors mind " ~ some old frozen guy
Starfleet forgot they also needed to defend the federation.
It happens in every 4X game. The Federation did too much research and social development without building raw industry. They expanded too quickly so had to spend resources just paying for upkeep instead of hitting their neighbours.
One note. Subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer Accord. Algeron primarily dealt with Starfleet not developing cloaks.
Never could get behind the starfleet actually obeying the Khitomer accord.
@@Gfish17 Sometimes starfleet takes the moral high ground irrationally.
But at least their consistent.
Starfleet has a vested interest in not destroying subspace.
gosh i love the "assimilate this!" template.
it shows a shift in Starfleet and UFP in general.
it reminds me of the "waking the giant" trope, were the US Economy shifted to war production in WW2 and reflected that in similar Propaganda posters.
yeah i'll definitely discuss in future dominion war episodes how the federation shifted logistics onto a war footing.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 If the Federation shifted gears, I think they could defeat the other major Galactic powers in a century and create a Galactic scale UFP within 200 years.
"Tragically, nay, comically unprepared"...I see what you did there! Kudos!
for those wondering this is to set up the next episode of 'Battlespace' the Battle of Sector 001. so this exists to connect the two. in terms of future 'Wings of the Federation' im definitely planning on covering the Excelsior and the Road to Warp 5
The Battle of Sector 001 ?.
Nice videos I would like see a few defiants and the other intrepid class working with a sovereign and a galaxy wing vs borges cube in a replay of wolf359
@@donhodgkinson6233 some of those will feature in the battle of sector 001
@@theunitedcommonwealth715 the battle at the opening of 'First Contact'
Oh, those are some fun topics, definitely something to look forward to.
Oh god, the "Collective Punishment" nose art damn near killed me
Bug Zappers my favorite.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Not gonna lie, that one's pretty good too.
I like The Sto'Vo'Kor Express "Ready To Shake The Pillars Of Heaven"
The Federation humanitarian and ethics committee: quantum torpedoes are not ethics
The Borg: THANK YOU, NOW JOIN US!!
When the Enterprise E came in to save the fleet at Sector 001 she was saying ASSIMILATE THIS! to the Borg XD
to be fair the borg did try.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Yeah XD
Not bad for a tough little ship.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Neat video. Also, any thought on if the Akira, Steamrunner, etc, were shelved older design concepts, heavily redone?
so i think the saber sovereign and Akira could well have been shelved concepts and the saber and akira may have originally been planned to use either intrepid or galaxy style components. with the soveriegn a design program probably started after the 1st galaxy launched but it was probably going to be quite different to what we ended up with which was a fast battleship. but i think the Norway Steamrunner and defiant are too specialized to have been previous design concepts.
The Voyager episode "message in a bottle" shows how powerful these ships really are.
In that episode two defiant class and one Akira class engage and attack three D'deridex warbirds without hesitation.
Also I know it's unpopular but I really liked the design of the prometheus minus that dumb multi vector assault mode. Like how these ships are products of the borg attack I have always seen the prometheus as a product of the dominion war.
Considering it usually takes a decade to design ships, its streaching it to say it was designed to fight the Borg, let alone the Dominion. Besides, I can see the multi vector assault mode come in handy against Borg targets simply split into three ships to attack a cube in several angles or be able to detach a portion to continue the attack as they only detach the portion caught in a tractor bream.
@@raw6668 I don't know where you are getting that 10 year estimate from, it's inaccurate. There was already a ship used and described on screen as being developed specifically to fight the borg, the defiant. It was in service at least 3 years before the prometheus.
The project started after the events of best of both worlds which took place in 2366. The defiant is first shown on screen in the episode "the search" which takes place in 2371. We also know the ship was designed and constructed before Sisko even got stationed on DS9 (which was 2369) but was mothballed for various reasons. Going of those numbers it took them at the very most 5 years to design, complete and put the defiant in active service. Three years maximum if we use the time it was completed to the time it was mothballed.
The prometheus was first seen in 2374, 4 years after the dominion destroyed the first galaxy class ship. It's perfectly plausible it was designed to combat the dominion, especially considering Starfleet R&D was in overdrive after the klingon war and the ongoing dominion war.
@@Bitchslapper316
You've not dealt with projects when it comes to desiging systems (ships and equipment)?
I have experince in such area and I can tell you it is a long process that generally take a decade or more to see to furtation. To put in prospective, this is the usal procedure adopted by the US Military and don't see a reason it be different in Starfleet:
1) Submitting a proposal
2) Show a proff of concept (modeling and data to show its pheasaible)
3) Review the proff of concept for approval or disproval.
4) Design a full protype if approved with all subsystems (enginees, powerplans, weapons, est.) laid out, otherwise go back to Step 1
5) Review the protype deisnged
6) If approved, began building the protype
7) Conduct testing on the protype
8) Conduct a review of the protype several times through production.
9) Refine any design flaws and go back to Step 3, possibly going back to Step 1 if deemed a failure.
10) If approved, preform limited manfacture to test the system (ship or technology) in the field to prefect the design
11) Preform the necessary teaks to the design
12) Enter full production
Its a long process that takes time as the US Air Force states all systems generall have a 2.5 to 20 years in its development cycle.
One the show reflects as the Galaxy Class entered the design phase in 2350 and reached limited production in 2363. Meaning 13 years of from Step 3 to 9, possibly Step 2. The fact they had ships out and ready to fight the Borg in 5 to 7 years is amazing.
@@raw6668 This isn't 100% accurate even in the real world unless you work for Lockheed. I'll give you some real world examples. The Midway class carrier design was first conceived in 1940 and the first one entered service in 1945. Another example is the essex class carrier which was conceived in 1938 and first entered service in 1942 with 32 of them being built in under a decade.
That is mostly irrelevant here though because we are talking about a science fiction future space navy that serves hundreds of planets with hundreds of billions of people. That and we already have a canonical in universe example of a new warship being designed, built, retrofit and put in service in under 5 years. That wasn't even in a wartime situation.
@@Bitchslapper316 No, but I also gave an example with the Galaxy Class following real life scenario as it took over a decade to design and build, and it was using technology already tried and true with only the Warp Core seems to be on the experimental design. Post Galaxy ships like the Defiant, Sovereign, Intrepid, Prometheus and such often used experimental new technology, which often caused delays. Along with being designed on a new hull design as well.
Your examples are warships that were using technology that was not experimental and hull chesty design was similar to previous ships with the only major difference, maybe, is a difference in scale. The Midway was incorporating design improvements made to the Yorktown class, fixing flaws noticed with said carriers, and upscaling the vessel with a new engine.
Plus, even with a large population, you still want to keep the design team relatively small for two few people means too many doubling up, but too many means too many people will argue or make mistakes in the design, creating delays.
Like I said, to me it was amazing they got ships out so quickly, and proof of how advance they are. But it should take time and considering how much of the technology used on the Prometheus was experimental, it is likely that Prometheus was also part of the anti-Borg design, but took longer to design compared to those seen in the Battle of Sector 001.
I've been struggling to find a less convoluted way of Watching Star Trek, so thank you for making these videos!
The post Wolf 359 Starships R so totally amazing the Akira class is my favourite
The Akira is my wife's favorite as well, she loved the Miniatures I got for her.
@@MasterGenshu Ok Cool
Eaglemoss xl you be happy 👍
@@simonwillis1529 I've got more than 100 model Starships including the Akira class but I've no room for the XL models
Never piss off the Sisko.
You forgot the battle scared. Captains like myself ( later promoted to admiral) who were literally blown to pieces at Wolf 359. It took the Borg to give me my mobility and Jean Luc Picard’s experience being de borged for us to learn how to use their tech. My unit during the Dominion war was Task Force Ghost. We were officers who fought the cardassians or Wolf 359 veterans. We built it around 6 ships of the Normandy Class ( a hybrid idea of the light brawler and heavy counter puncher) we ran Galaxy class warp cores in them to push em to the red line. We had a Sovereign class as our 7th the USS Endeavor, she gave us a powerful backup punch if we needed it. We fought a clandestine war again the dominion for nearly a year to slow them down. Operating as pirates we were a major problem, once home we were remarked and assembled into the 1st Starfleet rapid reaction unit ( which we renamed task force ghost). Our ships carry WW2 inspired markings ( Normandy features a shark mouth on her forward nose and D-Day invasion stripes on the nacelles we used a defiant as our hull form but increased in mass). We want them to know who we are, we want them to know we’ve all nearly or been dead, and above all else we want to make the Dominion fear us. Even Klingons want to fight with us as our aggressive tactics and angry nature draw admiration from them. Starfleet might not like us cause we don’t fall into the nice image but when you need some teeth to back up your threats, well that’s our job
Collective punishment, Sto-vo-kor express, Bug zapper, hilarity at its core. :D
9:15 Nitpick fact: Subspace weapons were banned by the Khitomer Accords, not the Treaty of Algeron....
Your accent makes this feel like the old ww2 documentaries.
It occurs to me, the treaty of Algernon prevents the federation from developing and deploying stealth tech on starfleet ships.. but what about weapons? The transphasic device from the TNG episode "The Pegasus" could maybe deployed as part of a torpedo weapon system to bypass borg sensors, shields and hull. Effectively a high tech "bunker buster" type weapon. Just an theorycraft idea.
yeah that would also explain why cloaked mines aren't illegal. the problem with any 'stealth' torpedo is going to be cost. its a problem you have with a lot of modern ATGMs.
Phase shifting torpedoes.... Voyager flashbacks
Not so sure about stealth, I believe the treaty banned cloaking devices. Designing a ship from the keel up to present a very low sensor profile should avoid treaty stipulations.
Or, you know, the trilithium torpedoes that can destroy whole solar systems. Or, hell, the Genesis torpedo. Imagine Section 31 smuggling one of those into the Cardassian home system using Klingon/Romulan cloaking devices.
Love those Defiant nose arts, they go hard...
"Collective Punishment"
"Sto-Vo-Kor Express"
Outstanding production! The music cues were spot on as was the selection of music. This production is the best video of its kind, and I congratulate and thank you for the time you took to put it together!!!
🖖🏼😎♥️
we’ve always been at our best when there was an Evil Empire out there, gunning for us.😊
10:58
I'm not surprised that a Klingon official is involved in the development of Starfleet's light tactical and escort starships vs the Borg like the defiant.
Defiant - "As manuverable as the B'rell bird of prey"
Akira-. " wingspan inspired by Klingon design of D7 and K'tinga
Norway- "rear part inspired from the front part of the Vorcha class cruiser"
And here we call the Defiant "Sisko's Pimphand"
I loved this video. The most impressive this was the five (5) different pieces of nose artwork of the "Defiant-class" Warships. It reminded me of World War II Nose Art of bombers and fighters of that Era. Video "Upvoted!" GREAT VIDEO!!!!
Outstanding episode of “Wings” Look forward to the next one.
the greatest strength humanity ever possessed was the ability to bring some of the greatest species in the galaxy together under one banner
The wolf 359 battle.... The Borg had Picard. There was no way star fleet was gonna win that battle
When the Feds get pushed into devoting a decent amount of R&D and resources into building a dedicated warship (even if they call it an "escort" so as to not offend hippie sensibilities), let alone multiple classes meant to raise Starfleet's offensive capability, it's hardly a shock that they come up with designs and implementations that the other major powers have to admire...then try to match them.
It was the Khitomer Accords that outlawed the use of subspace weapons. I just watched Star Trek Insurrection and during the battle in the briar patch someone mentions it when the Sona weapons open a subspace tear.
Your narration is actually very well done whoever u are, I'm not even a star trek buff but I enjoyed your delivery.Very well read.
EXCELLENT!! So much Starfleet goodness, keep up the great work!
This is the best explanation of the different Anti Borg ships that I have seen. Especially as the way they were supposed to be used as a task force. I was never a big fan if how they used the Defiant in DS9. It was overpowered and way outside of its Scope of Support. They used it as to much of a ship for all battles when it was a very specialized ship designed to be used as part of a battle group. Great work on this video.
Always wondered why Defiant was the only Defiant class vessel at Sector 001. Seems that they are best operated in Wolf Packs.
yeah. when i was doing the scaling it really struck me just how small the defiant is. as an attack ship its great, and it can tear through other small ships easily. but from the reputation it has in the community you'd think it was tearing through cruisers. which we never see it do onscreen.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 If i remember correctly it went toe to toe with a refitted Excelsior during the coup attempt and my perception was that they were holding back because they really didn't want to destroy them. From voyager in the prometheus episode i remember it going up against romulan warbirds. That said, i'm not a trekie per se, i just like the shows :)
@@Tuletegija12 Yes, the Excelsior class USS Lakota was holding back and only targeting the Defiant's engines with its phasers. When the Lakota's captain was ordered to destroy the Defiant, she outright refused to do so and stood down. Similarly, the Defiant also refused to fire its quantum torpedoes on the Lakota. Both ships were evenly matched, which is honestly crazy impressive considering the Excelsior is a 90yo design. It sort of explains why it's still Starfleet's main heavy cruiser. It was definitely way ahead of its time.
Essentially, the new Federation battle doctrine is based on 21st century MMO boss raids. Tanks and DPS.
Yeah no one pull a leeroy Jenkins
Thank you, thank you, thank you. What a wonderful presentation! Excellent job as always. I look forward to your new videos.
Same here
Another great video! This is the best and most detailed explanation of the anti-Borg task force yet!
I really like the Defiant Class, it's as aggressive as a Klingon ship but with the tech of a Federation one. I couldn't imagine being happier as a commander with having so much firepower at my disposal and protection even without a cloaking device. It reminds me of the American PT-boats, they had absurd firepower for their size and protection by the end of the war and would use cut and run tactics all the time. I remember a veteran saying that a PT-boat had as much firepower as a destroyer but was three times as fast. That impressive for something that was basically a speed boat.
Edit: Removed an extra word.
interesting comparison. i personally feel its a lot like the A-10 Warthog.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 That's a good comparison, an A-10 can throw an absurd amount of firepower down the line. I put PT-boats and A-10's in the same category because A-10's can unleash so much devastation in such a short amount of time. It's why think about the Defiant Class in the same way, it's a Destroyer, not an escort, it has way more firepower than a Galaxy Class, I'd like to see a battle were a full strength Defiant Class goes off on a Sovereign Class, I suspect that it would go in favour of the harder to hit smaller ship.
It was being akin of the Defiant And you are correct in using a WW II PT boat for manuvering quickly through a melee rapidly to clobbering a either Dominion or the Borg
That was quite an inspiring monologue for the outro. Nice work!
That one ship looks like a mans private parts at warp
Starfleet goes down with the tree, piece has cost you your strength, victory has defeated you!!
Ironic statement since Wolf said those words during 'First Contact'
I believe you mean Worf, not Wolf.
@@SamuelJamesNary worf 359
@@jimskywaker4345 No, the system in "the Best of Both Worlds" is Wolf 359. The character that is the Enterprise's security chief for most of TNG's run was Lt. Worf.
"I don't suppose there's any need for a doctor anymore, make me a warrior now."
- Enterprise-E dedication plaque, probably
It's Worf's Apartment.
16:19 I loved playing this song in concert season. Dang that brings back memories.
The akira looks so good. But I would love to see more prometheus class ships in star trek.
I have to say that was some incredible work! Bravo on the production, narrating and research for this video. Informative and enjoyable to watch.
I like your take on the classes better than Certifiably Ingame's where they're older - pre-Borg designs.
Yeah that doesn't make much sense to me they share a lot of parts and have a very aggressive profile something we haven't seen since reliant
I really come to respect the sovereign class after playing the PC game Star Trek Bridge Commander, you learnt so much about ships like the Akira, Galaxy and others. I still really love that game but my favorite ship for all time will be the Sovereign NCC-7381. Awesome video mate it was really well done and you voice act it really well
7:10 I have to disagree. Complimenting each other is the same thing as relying on one another. You got Battleships, Carriers, cruisers, frigates, and destroyers. Battleships and Carriers not having escorts to protect it from being ambush is just one big juicy ambush target for enemy ships. Crusiers are multipurpose ships that can go so far without escorts, but usually they are flanked with destroyers to help look out for it.
It's funny how old wet Navy tactics and doctrine could have actually helped Starfleet mitigate their combat losses. Instead, we just have to rely on hero ships with heavy shields and Polycarbonate Layered Occlusive Tritanium Armor.
i perhaps should have been more specific. in terms of not relying what i meant was that no single class was a one trick pony. and shared certain roles so for example Quantum torpedoes were carried by Defiant, Akira, and Sovereign so that even if one was singled out the threat of a quantum torpedo remains.
They do not need each other to operate, most are still also multi roll vessels.
A real world carrier can not operate alone, but an Akira class star ship is a carrier and doesn't need or rely upon any other ships for support.
But on a fleet level all these ships are designed to work together and compliment each other.
A Modern nuclear aircraft carrier is always surrounded by Aegis protection Along with the assigned CVW complete with a brand new E-2 D Hawkeye AEW turboprop aircraft
I love the work y'all do. These guys deserve so many more subs.
Subspace weapons were banned by The Khitomer accords.
Yes! That was made clear in “Insurrection”
This was definitely my favourite 'Wings' episode...well done (as always). I can't wait for the next 'Battlespace'.
Starfleet should've mass produced the Defiant class. Not only were they meant to hunt in packs to effectively counter a Borg incursion but they were also effective against the Dominion, tearing Jem Hadar fighters to shreds like X Wings on Ties. If the UFP had even a hundred Defiants operational, they would have suffered much fewer losses with their capital ships being more protected.
You know when I used to watch defiant in combat during the dominion war I sort of felt sorry for cardassian & dominion vessels & Crews because defiant was was designed to face a much tougher adversary than them & quite frankly & I'm going to use a neighborhood term here put the BOOTS to them regularly & thoroughly as it did the Klingons during the conflict with them as well if they existed in greater numbers the dominion would I believe have fallen much sooner they were to put it simply FEARSOME & don't think the rest of the alpha quadrant powers didn't know it
You've just earned yourself a subscriber, great video, loved every minute of it 👍👍👍
the Defiant is basically the Starfleet equivalent of the A-10 Warthog
Epic
Nice work! I love the attention you gave, especially to the Steamrunner Class.
thanks. a very underrated ship im sure you'll agree.
Worf should have had his own one as well as Sisko
Yes.. USS Motha Suckas 😉😉🤣
USS Avenger star trek armada
@@Chrisunglesbee yup!
@@MasterGenshu I have armada 1 on my laptop we should find a way to play together won.net is down been down for years great game
@@Chrisunglesbee I used to mod that game (using other peoples ships I cannot create new ones if my life depended on it)
I spent so much time on that game since it came out. I still have it as well. I no longer have Armada II though. I would be down for it. Hell I could even "make" you a semi custom ship of your favorite one if you like.
GREAT VIDEO! A treat to watch during lunch! THANK YOU!
So... Space DARPA. Love it!
For all Shelby did for Starfleet and the Federation. All to make Admiral and then killed by the Borg....then, again I bet you the Queen really made sure she was dead first.
love the Video, was finally able to catch a premier and was not disappointed. keep up with the amazing content
glad you could make it.
Wow...that was better that I expected! Well done!!👍
I love the defiant tough little ship but I lie all of the akira-class is got teeth and they are both awesome ships
Can you imagine seeing them both and a Steamrunner class coming at you. I feel sorry for whoever they are fighting.
Love the saber. Aka the Miranda 2.0
"This ship you're proposing... It have guns, lots of them right?"
"No. Not really."
"No?"
"Well... This ship doesn't have a gun. This gun have a ship."
"Solid copy."
Building complimentary ship classes vs a fleet of multi role cruisers was the best thing Starfleet could have done.
Take note Picard: USS copy pasta
Outstanding content! Keep up the great work.
22:23 OMG this should of been in DS9 I mean COME ON O’Brian and Bashir played Lancaster bomber men in the holosuite for like a whole season. Surely they would of painted the nose… I mean could see Dax being ok been painted a pin up on the nose as a laugh. Wolf might of killed Bashir for it though.
These keep getting better and better
Great choice of background music. Bravo, and well done!!!
Thank you for sharing such an excellent, historical, Starfleet educational video.
Except it's not historical in Star Trek. this video is all wrong.
@@sabrewolf4129thanks for the input. I loved the battleship progression feature of the video. As far as being accurate, I could see timelines crossed blurred lines, but then, so did StarTrek😁
Great work as always Venom.
Same with your Wolf 359 piece. It wasn't so much as the defeat itself it was the way Star Fleet was defeat. No one knows how big Star Fleet was at this point but say 400-500 vessels, they suffered 8-10 % losses in as many minutes. The Miranda, Excelsior, and Constellation which still made up the major of the Fleet with type 7- 8 phasers and Mark 5-6 torps were unholy missed matched versus the Borg. So basically no tactical advancement in 80 years. Other ship (the kit bash fleet) were only marginal improvements over them. Leaving Ambassador, New Orleans, Nebula and Galaxy remaining to have a chance against and superior foe.
So Star Fleet just suffered 10 % losses and the remaining 80 % of the Fleet was combat ineffective. When Picard in "Peak Performance" says a Captain tactical abilities were only a small portion of his or her make up it was like WTF did you just say. And realign on 360 degree weapon coverage and not using proper tactics and individual and or battle group maneuvering and support just showed how arrogant and lazy Star Fleet had became when engaging adversaries in combat.
All of the new ships produced in response to Wolf 359 were designed to work together as fleet and kick ass with there weapons in the forward face arch of fire
Hope to see and individual break down of these ships from yourself in the near future Great work again!!!!
yeah it was probably about 400 ships so 40 is a sizable chunk. the fleet at wolf 359 is about 3 tiers, 1st rate is ships like the nebula and challenger, 2nd are ships like Springfield and Cheyenne, 3rd rate are ships like the miranda. so i wouldn't say 80% more like 60%-50% are genuinely out of date 23rd century designs. but they could get away with it given the poor state of the klingons and cardassians.
Commenting for the cause! Keep up the good work.
thanks for covering this stuff, just thinking of the vid you did about wolf 359 & was thinking about the tactics that used before & it with why emerge from a nebula right in front of the cube, why be so focused on a powerful beam to breach the borg when they could've beamed over torpedoes into areas around picard or when they used the shuttle to beam in & get him why not also include a few torpedoes to beam over after getting picard?
because those torpedoes would have had to be carried aboard the shuttle and the shuttle escape transporter couldn't handle that kind of load. + the subspace field would probably stop the transporting of anything non organic.
small spoilers for the Battle of sector 001 the idea is basically some ships would bore a hole into the cube into which torpedoes would be fired.
That was pretty cool . . good job on it yo
Considering the Borg had Picard's tactical knowledge of the wolf 359 fleet, how well would do you think starfleet would have done if the Borg hadn't taken Picard?
Probably not much better, since the tech-gap was immense and the Borg had the tactical experience of literally thousands of species to draw on
Love this video! As a military musician, I also highly approve of the background music :-) keep up the great work!
wtf is a military musician.
@@IIISentorIII a person who serves in the military as a musician. Pretty self-defining. Maybe Google it before you ask?
Really enjoyed that! Keep it up!
My fav topic, ships !! Love your channel. 👍
well done mate, really enjoyed the video
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every way shape and form and detail provided on this format and subject matter indeed!👌.
At Wolf 359, 11,237 Starfleet officers died in the line of duty. J.P. Hanson was a fool how he could take Oberth-class and Constitution-class spaceships into battle. The Oberth-class only has one weak phaser bank to hunt down asteroids for research purposes, and the Constitution-class was long obsolete. In the pilot of DS9, you can see the USS Bonestell Oberth-class exploding at Wolf 359. Captain Janeway commanded the Bonestell before Voyager, so it can be assumed that she was at Wolf 359.
Seriously top notch analysis
I like the tos era Miranda class in your videos.
The major problem making ships for one target makes it weaker against other targets. Like the romlion found out with the de'derideks warbird. An one last thing is being able to find parts for these ship during time that there isn't much. You'd need a nog type crew member on board each of these ships to boater and trade for things you need in a fast manner.
*☼ spectacular! fine entry. very fine.*
That was brilliant well done
Very informative video thank you.
I like all of your vids but this one especially had me fully engrossed. I love when an entire fleet is designed from the ground up to support each other and achieve a specific goal. I did my best to do something similar in a Star Wars setting.
Excellent work
I think SF Debris puts it best, Wolf 359 is the 9/11 of Star Trek (which is kind of eerie when you think about how much close it mirrors the tonal shift of the fictional federation and USA). The federation had become pretty docile as they had basically had no real threat. The Klingons were allies, the Romulans were in exile, the Cardasians were underequiped, truth be be told the federation was the dominate power in the Alpha Quadrant. This really mirrors the USA of the 90's where we had small scale encounters but nothing resembling full scale war. Then the Borg come strolling along and hand the federation a massive suprise left hook that knocks it to the ground. Starfleet after starts to go all in on its more military style ships, no longer exploration cruisers like the Galaxy class, but full on battleships like the Defiant and Sovereign classes and basically goes into a state of constant vigilance and rapid defense...basically the US in a post 9/11 world. I know alot of people hate shows like DS9 which sort of revel in this attitude, as it betrays Gene eutopa ideas, but frankly I think the Roddenberry ideals kind of needed to be kicked in the balls just to be brought back into realistic alignment as season 1&2 of TNG radiated so much smug arrogance that the characters were barely human and more walking annoying liberal stereotypes.
yeah so Lore Reloaded argues that Sisko used the Defiant as a form of Saber Rattling to the dominion which isn't a very 'federation' approach but its something they learned from the Cardassian Border wars, because they didn't send their best so the cardassians were able to fight them with relative parity. by showing up with the defiant Sisko was showing the Stick he could beat them with. and in fairness the Enterprise D was very much the same, just a little more subtle.
The Defiant needed to be 10 times its size .. It should have been as big as a Galaxy class starship .. They really should built ships the size of the USS Vengeance, commanded by Admiral Marcus.. They could incorporate much larger power generators to power more powerful weapons and shields
(Romulans) "we use quantum singularities as a power source we are so advanced" (Federation) "Neat, we loaded them into torpedoes"😎