@@freeamericanthinker558 I am very sure the USAF wouldn't be as stupid as to not put a third fighter behind to smoke whatever they had. Plus, the miniguns taking down the F-22s is realistically impossible. Movie magic.
@@Dave-mv1ykin the movie two f-22s pulled up on either side of the ac-130 telling them to land instead of staying behind and missile locking, so the ac-130 was able to shoot its gun at both f-22s before the last one came and took it out
all I could think at that scene was "bless your hearts" no way are they even hitting more then a few rounds, and practically a zero chance of it doing anything
@@dantruong2582 my parents were the opposite of that and hated movies that made no logical sense, i grew up with that mindset so now i dont want any movie or tv series that isnt actually smartly written, which is to say 99% of movies and 85% of tv series. (ironic that tv series now have better writing and visuals than most movies these days, used to be the opposite was true. many of them are still bad, but less than movies these days.)
The most unrealistic thing about these scenes is there would be bodies be torn to pieces by those gatling guns. Arms and legs flying off and bodies torn in two.
The 105mm kicks the tail about 6ft. It feels like a bump in the air lol. MAX weight if the plane plus fuel is around 175,000 lbs but you're probably gonna refuel mid air to top off.
@@gravestone9831точнее гаубица 105 мм, и 20 мм пушка Вулкан. Иногда меняется вооружение 40 мм пушки Бофорс. Но такие самолёты слишком уязвимы от ПВО, ввиду своих размеров. Они годятся только при условии что у противника полностью отсутствует ПВО.
well you got to thank the Lockheed engineers for this scary ass piece of machinery they put a Anti tank cannon in a howitzer format and cannons 30mm to 25mm which will penetrate concrete 💀
Can we just take a moment to truly appreciate the onsie dirt of this aircraft design? It’s absolutely incredible anyone had the idea to mount a sideways facing howitzer to an aircraft, so the aircraft can fly, tilting downward, and fire a cannon. I wish I was a fly on the wall in the meeting room with whoever was suggesting that, and the look on other peoples faces, with how truly an absurd concept this is. This is peak American military innovation, and excess. No other nation would ever think of this, since no other nation has an answer to every possibility and still can afford to think, “what about this?”. And you gotta love it.
To be fair America made a gun with wings called the A-10, and a bomber that can carry more bombs than any other plane in the world, while also capable of Mach speed ( B-1 ) So it’s not to surprisingly America did this. I mean: the M50 and Atomic Annie so.
Is it me or is Hollywood really misconstruing how the AC-130 is actually operated? The 105mm cannon seems to be firing way too fast in order to be reloaded in time. Sometimes, the pilots are the ones designating the ground targets and aiming the weapons.
On a lot of those fast shots I’d reckon that’s the 40mm, but the 105s are basically automatic and hydraulic assisted now so they do shoot a lot faster than hand loaded howitzers
@@kyoswkyosw1216 105's are not automatic. They are manually loaded. The 25mm and 40mm are autoloaded since they are both loaded via cartidges. the 105mm is the same 105mm gun that is used on the M1 Abrams when that tank first had the 105mm.
"Oh shit, an AC-130 is going to attack the White House... I better run up on the roof with my mid-range assault rile and sub-mid range sub-machine gun to fire small caliber ammunition that will do NOTHING to the target from this range. Oh shit, I died for no reason!"
@@lightbearer1550 I mean, M855/SS109 ammo fits inside the standard caliber that the AC-130's armor is made to withstand (up to 7.65 mm) but it _is_ a rifle round and thus gains more penetrating power against the AC-130; however, in order for that power to matter the round would have to strike the aircraft damn-near perpendicular at the time of impact AND it would have to be in a section of the plane where there isn't the thicker 9.8mm APS plating to protect vital components and crew. It is technically possible, just like winning the lottery is technically possible.
@justinkarnes3276 enough bodies sending enough rounds someone is bound to hit a mark, let alone windshield to reduce visibility and engines to maybe cause some kind of issues.
If a large, like a seriously gigantic alien invasion happens, it would most likely take two AC-130s to be an overkill. Since you know, with one you just win, but two? Yeah that'll make them green manlets something to think about on their way back to the mothership.
@@Mr.Awkward4936 well that sounds like a fun universe. In mine, they went to war with the Taliban and different orginisations, and the Afghanistan military was actually helping them.. boring.
As far as the first scenario goes, Its not bringing the rain. That was immediate suppression with 105, 25 and 40mm....The second scene, The air is super restricted around the DC area and fighters wouldve been scrambled upon first contact in the restricted no fly zone. The machine guns on that AC 130 would cut people in half since those machine guns are designed for total destruction of ground combat vehicles. that plane wouldve been shot down long before it ever reached the white house. Lone survivor's AC 130 attack is exactly what happens during a firefight but the JTAC is directing shots as they are engaging. same with The covenant's attack. It was a pleasure to have seen the AC 130's going to town on two of my four deployments In Iraq. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a barrage from the AC 130's
I think they under exaggerated the effect of those colossal rounds on the human body. Ammunition that large would make a very effective baloney mist maker. It's understandable why they under exaggerated it though because that would probably be a little too shocking.
The problem is that the rate of fire in a circling rotation is more than 1 round per foot. Camera would only be seeing dust of the complete raking of the Earth.
@@crystalspaceexplorationI think the original commenter meant that when the 105 howitzer fires, the recoil actually pushes the Ac-130 to it side many feet. All scenes shown here, the 130 remains steady in its flight path.
You get the impression that each time the air superiority of the US saves their troops engaged in combat. That without this firepower from the skies they wouldn’t be able to overcome the enemy fources.
Can I ask a question, I am curious, has there ever been another type of AC-130 I mean regarding the one that was used in Olympus Has Fallen or was that there because it by the film directors choice or other reason?
The main ones after the 70s have been the AC130H spectre, AC130W Stinger II, AC130U spooky, and AC130J Ghostrider. The J model is the only one in service.
well first of all, given the sus origins of its operators in OHF, I would say lore-wise it would have to be a decommissioned 130 that was home-made into something resembling an AC-130, hence only the miniguns. Hell, procuring the miniguns would be hard enough, much less 40s and 105s
In that one movie it has an inaccurate AC-130, as it had guns of both sides but real AC-130s have guns on only one side. I am a plane nerd and this was very annoying, and also very unrealistic M-61s as they would have shredded the people.
What makes me mad about the scene from the 2nd and 3rd movies were they are inaccurate The AC-130 does not have a button to shoot auto aim duel minions from the front of the aircraft The third one was they never used the 40mm. It was the mini gun and the 105 The minigun makes a lot of sense being the OP4, but spam firing the 105 is not. They would not use it unless the target is a tank, or a building. Which leads me to the part where they go “hostile on the damn. Hitting them with the 105.” NO! That is NOT correct. US ROE would prevent this being used AT ALL! Targeting the dam, especially with a bigger gun, would risk the collapse of the dam. They would not be able to engage hostiles on it except with the minigun. Sorry if it’s a rant, and people may not read it, but it just bothers me that the movie about giant transforming robots fighting in the deserts of Saudi Arabia/Egypt was more realistic than the other 2
clip two, what was the plan with everyone having guns shooting at it? like the only defense that could've worked was the AA installment and the fighter jet response and 1 of them did work the uh guys on the ground with there guns not so much
Do they have a nickname of ac-130s? Because if they don't yet we'll I have a couple of ideas. I'll let you know what my ideas are after ya answer me with a no or yes
Seriously shooting at it with peashooters is hilarious what damage did they hope to do?.... if it was a rl situation those guys in the ac would ceasefire cause they'd be rolling on the floor laughing their a$$es off
covenant one is decent (although the helicopter that flies by in the gunsight scene doesnt show up at all even though theyre using thermal sights) but the olympus has fallen one is garbage
the first sandy scene the only decent transformer movie , i specially loved the way it silently undercuts ''muahah look mighty daka can beat robots!'' ooonly to have the follow thought if considering the in universe tech differences of ''oh ,hmm wait.. ouer mighty daka took an entire industrial horizon to produce , it takes a small town worth of space to feed , fuel worth millions of years of collection , while the thing we hurt ,not killed ..hurt.. for the robots whereeeee a drone , and something they can grow in millions over just a few weeks if they wanted to without any pre-existing infrastructure , thanks to the way nano tech is literally part of their physice ohhh crap'' , the second clip though um ..why where the security presenting themselfs as targets in the open to aim their personal weapons pointlessly at the dam AIR PLANE FAR OUT OF REACH from them ? :/
@@right584 true , though plenty of shoots also connected and the more specialized munitions you use the more it expands the needed infrastructure , unlike the cybernetic style where you flat out can 'grow' it on a few square meters using sun or thermal energy and any mediocre resource in 'root' range ;)
What I find ridiculous about the 2nd scene is that fact that the plane even made it to the white house without being intercepted by fighters sooner.
No it did, the pilots of the ac killed 2 fighters.
@@freeamericanthinker558 I am very sure the USAF wouldn't be as stupid as to not put a third fighter behind to smoke whatever they had. Plus, the miniguns taking down the F-22s is realistically impossible. Movie magic.
@@freeamericanthinker558 how did they do that? does the ac have long range air to air missiles?
@@Dave-mv1ykin the movie two f-22s pulled up on either side of the ac-130 telling them to land instead of staying behind and missile locking, so the ac-130 was able to shoot its gun at both f-22s before the last one came and took it out
@@jakevongxay1258 ohhh....so plot armor
Cops and USSS shooting small arms fire:
The AC130: "Hahaha your puny weapons are nothing against me"
all I could think at that scene was "bless your hearts" no way are they even hitting more then a few rounds, and practically a zero chance of it doing anything
🤣
URSS: Ahh yeah, but you have Tsar bomb? 😂😂
Ac-130 pilot: We've been hitten!! 🗣️📣
Send the GTA MK2
I love how the F-22 had to be a mile away and in visual sight to use the AMRAAM with it's 30 mile range.
30 miles? The aim 120D is well over double that and the aim 260 is said to be far beyond the range of the aim 120D but yea I agree it’s just Hollywood
As my wife always tell me,"shutup, enjoy movie".
@@dantruong2582well u can’t ignore ur wife 😂
They were afraid of it locking onto ground targets 🤣🤣
@@dantruong2582 my parents were the opposite of that and hated movies that made no logical sense, i grew up with that mindset so now i dont want any movie or tv series that isnt actually smartly written, which is to say 99% of movies and 85% of tv series.
(ironic that tv series now have better writing and visuals than most movies these days, used to be the opposite was true. many of them are still bad, but less than movies these days.)
The most unrealistic thing about these scenes is there would be bodies be torn to pieces by those gatling guns. Arms and legs flying off and bodies torn in two.
Plot armour
Would be too gore-y, if I do say so myself.
@@GearmotionProductionsyeah it would, we’d have a saving private Ryan moment where people stopped watching the movie a few minutes in.
I was thinking it would be having any non-US military c-130 airborne within 50 mile of the White House
100% it would be a meat spray!
Fun fact about those planes and the guns on them. The large guns are so powerful, it pushes the entire plane.
The 105mm kicks the tail about 6ft. It feels like a bump in the air lol. MAX weight if the plane plus fuel is around 175,000 lbs but you're probably gonna refuel mid air to top off.
@@gravestone9831точнее гаубица 105 мм, и 20 мм пушка Вулкан. Иногда меняется вооружение 40 мм пушки Бофорс. Но такие самолёты слишком уязвимы от ПВО, ввиду своих размеров. Они годятся только при условии что у противника полностью отсутствует ПВО.
How would a 30mm GAU Gatling gun go on a AC-130?
@@rocketrockstar8171 ask a Miata owner how they get a V16 to fit in their Miata
@@shadowdraco8660 It fits in a warthog ok.
Ah yes, flares work against a radar missile, but not against an infrared one
Well if it was something like an aim-9m the irccm ignored the flares.
@@Friedpancakes def a wt player, in real life irccm doesnt work that well
Chaff
Aim-9x?
@ hm, never realized the Hercules had a heat signature larger than the sun and an rcs smaller than a worm
MW2 Spetsnaz Soldier: ENEMY AC-130 ABOVE!!!!!!!
So iconic
Was looking for this comment
1:36 Fully semi automatic Remington 700 bolt action sniper rifle. Wow so amazing!
with a triple damage high capacity clip magazine too
It's pack a punched
😂@@Sip_Drink_YT
I missed that entirely. Good lord 😂
CGI nerds adding after effects without any understanding of guns
Somewhere in Texas, a dude just won his case to use an AC-130 for home defense. 😮
Murica 😂🤣💀
Would be Texans doing something like that 😂
That video was the main reason why i watched the covenant ,Good movie .
That AC-130 is no joke some serious machinery 💯🫡
well you got to thank the Lockheed engineers for this scary ass piece of machinery they put a Anti tank cannon in a howitzer format and cannons 30mm to 25mm which will penetrate concrete 💀
2:02 when the low level uses a top tier premium and does not know the concept of notching the missile and instead just countermeasure spams
no chaff, just flare smh
@@NguyenHuuTri2008 fr
Basically every F4S player
@@Sentinel-iR frrr
Can we just take a moment to truly appreciate the onsie dirt of this aircraft design? It’s absolutely incredible anyone had the idea to mount a sideways facing howitzer to an aircraft, so the aircraft can fly, tilting downward, and fire a cannon. I wish I was a fly on the wall in the meeting room with whoever was suggesting that, and the look on other peoples faces, with how truly an absurd concept this is.
This is peak American military innovation, and excess. No other nation would ever think of this, since no other nation has an answer to every possibility and still can afford to think, “what about this?”. And you gotta love it.
I think they still had Cocaine in the Coca Cola back then..
To be fair America made a gun with wings called the A-10, and a bomber that can carry more bombs than any other plane in the world, while also capable of Mach speed ( B-1 )
So it’s not to surprisingly America did this. I mean: the M50 and Atomic Annie so.
Movie or real life...i have deep respect for the AC-130 gunships, its truly death from above...
Is it me or is Hollywood really misconstruing how the AC-130 is actually operated? The 105mm cannon seems to be firing way too fast in order to be reloaded in time. Sometimes, the pilots are the ones designating the ground targets and aiming the weapons.
On a lot of those fast shots I’d reckon that’s the 40mm, but the 105s are basically automatic and hydraulic assisted now so they do shoot a lot faster than hand loaded howitzers
@@kyoswkyosw1216 Even with a unmanned howitzer, it shouldn’t be firing that fast. It’s almost as fast as the 40mm.
@@kyoswkyosw1216 105's are not automatic. They are manually loaded. The 25mm and 40mm are autoloaded since they are both loaded via cartidges. the 105mm is the same 105mm gun that is used on the M1 Abrams when that tank first had the 105mm.
"Oh shit, an AC-130 is going to attack the White House... I better run up on the roof with my mid-range assault rile and sub-mid range sub-machine gun to fire small caliber ammunition that will do NOTHING to the target from this range. Oh shit, I died for no reason!"
I mean you can see in the clip the gunship is flying relatively low, they could in theory hit it but itd be next to impossible
@@lightbearer1550 I mean, M855/SS109 ammo fits inside the standard caliber that the AC-130's armor is made to withstand (up to 7.65 mm) but it _is_ a rifle round and thus gains more penetrating power against the AC-130; however, in order for that power to matter the round would have to strike the aircraft damn-near perpendicular at the time of impact AND it would have to be in a section of the plane where there isn't the thicker 9.8mm APS plating to protect vital components and crew. It is technically possible, just like winning the lottery is technically possible.
@justinkarnes3276 enough bodies sending enough rounds someone is bound to hit a mark, let alone windshield to reduce visibility and engines to maybe cause some kind of issues.
If a large, like a seriously gigantic alien invasion happens, it would most likely take two AC-130s to be an overkill.
Since you know, with one you just win, but two? Yeah that'll make them green manlets something to think about on their way back to the mothership.
Don't over exaggerate,
They still lost the war against Afghan with multiple Ac-130 above...
@@Mr.Awkward4936 It's a joke...
of course the vehicle isn't impervious and nor is an army supported by it... There is no such vehicle...
@@Mr.Awkward4936 They were never at war with Afghanistan.
@@CasTheBrass in my universe they were...
@@Mr.Awkward4936 well that sounds like a fun universe. In mine, they went to war with the Taliban and different orginisations, and the Afghanistan military was actually helping them.. boring.
Convenant best i think😅
on the second scene it was just the small miniguns, imagine how would the bigger guns look like
it's still 25mm HE at thousands of rounds per minute.
0:38 an accurate presentation of GTA online
And all so an ac-130 need 13 crew members to fly and shoot guns at the same time
The avenger
Titan D-250 coming soon
@ WHAT AN ACTUAL AC-130 IS COMING TO GTA
You deserve way many subscribers!
Love how that AC-130 tried flaring an AIM-120
Transformers will bring rain for NEST and Autobots as a team 0:02
Incredible, a C130 with a Boeing cabin
As far as the first scenario goes, Its not bringing the rain. That was immediate suppression with 105, 25 and 40mm....The second scene, The air is super restricted around the DC area and fighters wouldve been scrambled upon first contact in the restricted no fly zone. The machine guns on that AC 130 would cut people in half since those machine guns are designed for total destruction of ground combat vehicles. that plane wouldve been shot down long before it ever reached the white house. Lone survivor's AC 130 attack is exactly what happens during a firefight but the JTAC is directing shots as they are engaging. same with The covenant's attack. It was a pleasure to have seen the AC 130's going to town on two of my four deployments In Iraq. I would not want to be on the receiving end of a barrage from the AC 130's
1:34 remember, if your *BOLT ACTION RIFLE* isn't semi-auto, you're using it wrong.
GTA Online sessions when the new Titan 250 D releases:
That opening scene on Olympus has fallen is easy in the top 5 of all times!
I always wonder driving north on 85 and I see a Spooky, please don't tilt port, please don't tilt port.
C130 is a great design…..great platform.
No way the dude at 1:03 was like "*Sigh*" and then at 1:14 they were like "Hmm"
2nd clip is actually a recording of when an ac130 has been used with minimal collateral damage!
AC 130 shooting in transformers sounds kinda like normal gunshot
yo, Jake, watch yer friggin MUZZLE, @3:12
Imagine if the olympus has fallen AC-130 got a 105 and 40 💀💀💀💀
All units, ready to engage, green lit for strike
Death from above
An AC-130 is always overkill what else is new.
better title: "Why Americans doesn't have free health care"
Because they want better health care and not stuck with bare minimum you have no choice medicine.
Before 9/11 I would say “yeah that’s possible “ after “9/11 OH HELL NO!”
Ain’t no running from those bullets
Spetznaz annoucer had the right to be terrified.
I think they under exaggerated the effect of those colossal rounds on the human body. Ammunition that large would make a very effective baloney mist maker. It's understandable why they under exaggerated it though because that would probably be a little too shocking.
The problem is that the rate of fire in a circling rotation is more than 1 round per foot. Camera would only be seeing dust of the complete raking of the Earth.
Hollywood doesnt know how the 105 works
Yeah, in real life it has. Lower rate of fire like a tank gun
@@crystalspaceexplorationI think the original commenter meant that when the 105 howitzer fires, the recoil actually pushes the Ac-130 to it side many feet. All scenes shown here, the 130 remains steady in its flight path.
But infinity ward knows
The aptly named angel of death
Average GTA v online public sessions ☠️
u forget the shadow company plane in cod mw 😅
Real angel of death
Fun fact the F-22 that shot down the AC-130 has Radar Detecting and Light detecting missiles.
All movies made in America are very sophisticated
まさに空飛ぶ戦艦だよな。かっこいい。
You get the impression that each time the air superiority of the US saves their troops engaged in combat. That without this firepower from the skies they wouldn’t be able to overcome the enemy fources.
The one from lone survivor is the best
Sniper on the whitehouse roof vs AC130 wtf
Transformers is the oldest movie in this video and is the one with the best CGI...
My favorite plane but I’ve never seen that movie.. that hurt a bit 😕
Can I ask a question, I am curious, has there ever been another type of AC-130 I mean regarding the one that was used in Olympus Has Fallen or was that there because it by the film directors choice or other reason?
The main ones after the 70s have been the AC130H spectre, AC130W Stinger II, AC130U spooky, and AC130J Ghostrider. The J model is the only one in service.
well first of all, given the sus origins of its operators in OHF, I would say lore-wise it would have to be a decommissioned 130 that was home-made into something resembling an AC-130, hence only the miniguns. Hell, procuring the miniguns would be hard enough, much less 40s and 105s
That was so dumb for the guards standing outside while AC 130 shooting from above
AC-130 ABOVE
Thank god this vid finally is getting views it deserves
Indeed
very gut
0:11 0:17 3:04
this is good :)
In that one movie it has an inaccurate AC-130, as it had guns of both sides but real AC-130s have guns on only one side. I am a plane nerd and this was very annoying, and also very unrealistic M-61s as they would have shredded the people.
Rifles shooting at an AC130???
What makes me mad about the scene from the 2nd and 3rd movies were they are inaccurate
The AC-130 does not have a button to shoot auto aim duel minions from the front of the aircraft
The third one was they never used the 40mm. It was the mini gun and the 105
The minigun makes a lot of sense being the OP4, but spam firing the 105 is not. They would not use it unless the target is a tank, or a building. Which leads me to the part where they go “hostile on the damn. Hitting them with the 105.” NO! That is NOT correct. US ROE would prevent this being used AT ALL!
Targeting the dam, especially with a bigger gun, would risk the collapse of the dam. They would not be able to engage hostiles on it except with the minigun.
Sorry if it’s a rant, and people may not read it, but it just bothers me that the movie about giant transforming robots fighting in the deserts of Saudi Arabia/Egypt was more realistic than the other 2
Sea ram fires two missiles at c130 *
Shit im out 😅
clip two, what was the plan with everyone having guns shooting at it? like the only defense that could've worked was the AA installment and the fighter jet response and 1 of them did work the uh guys on the ground with there guns not so much
AC130 ABOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was no AC-130 in Lone survivor.
My old friend - Spooky
Whats the 2nd movie?
movie name is transformers!
Me why bombs cost too much
“Overkill” and then the first one they barely take off Skorpinok’s tail. That ain’t even kill, let alone overkill
Makasi ya
4:16 他們在用手槍步槍射C-130?
認真的嗎?
Movie name please
👋
３つ目の映画のタイトルは？
You're firing with glocks on ac130 😂😂
Does anyone know the name of all the movies?
Read the description and time codes
That fortnite rpg sound on 2:49
I didn’t know Fortnite copied gun sounds from movies
@ Me neither😱
Fortnite nerd gontiuch grass
Que película es la 3ra?
Do they have a nickname of ac-130s? Because if they don't yet we'll I have a couple of ideas. I'll let you know what my ideas are after ya answer me with a no or yes
Angel of Death, Its the Angel of Death
Angel of death, it’s the angel of death
@@I9TailedFoxI aaaaand both of ya said the exact same thing
@@SnoozorSnooz aaaaand the both of you said the exact same thing
@@anthonyst-laurent529 Wild
Como se llama la pelicula?
Chtulu ilang ? Truth??
😅😅😅😅😅😅 oh hollywood
0:50 well thats completely fake of a c130
Seriously shooting at it with peashooters is hilarious what damage did they hope to do?.... if it was a rl situation those guys in the ac would ceasefire cause they'd be rolling on the floor laughing their a$$es off
Ofcourse the white house only fires 1 anti air.😂
3:36
why do F are those Morons shooting at an ac130 with an ak47 for 😂😂😂
Coba ricek ya
Transformers 1 is a quality product. but only the first muvie.
Covenant is like playing Call of Duty, i like it.
the rest is garbage
covenant one is decent (although the helicopter that flies by in the gunsight scene doesnt show up at all even though theyre using thermal sights) but the olympus has fallen one is garbage
the third movie was pretty good too
نام فیلم
CGI in Olympus has Fallen is comically bad, almost cartoonish
the first sandy scene the only decent transformer movie , i specially loved the way it silently undercuts ''muahah look mighty daka can beat robots!'' ooonly to have the follow thought if considering the in universe tech differences of ''oh ,hmm wait.. ouer mighty daka took an entire industrial horizon to produce , it takes a small town worth of space to feed , fuel worth millions of years of collection , while the thing we hurt ,not killed ..hurt.. for the robots whereeeee a drone , and something they can grow in millions over just a few weeks if they wanted to without any pre-existing infrastructure , thanks to the way nano tech is literally part of their physice ohhh crap'' , the second clip though um ..why where the security presenting themselfs as targets in the open to aim their personal weapons pointlessly at the dam AIR PLANE FAR OUT OF REACH from them ? :/
Well most of the those shots missed scorponok also later it was shown cybertronians can be taken down easier with the right ammo like HEAT and SABOT
@@right584 true , though plenty of shoots also connected and the more specialized munitions you use the more it expands the needed infrastructure , unlike the cybernetic style where you flat out can 'grow' it on a few square meters using sun or thermal energy and any mediocre resource in 'root' range ;)
Lol puny weapons are noobs trying to shoot down an AC 130 with a pistol in call of duty.
transformers did it the best