Disney Direct DVDs: The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In which Jesse fulfills one of his longest-running requests by taking a look at the sequel to the Disney classic "The Lion King."
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I think Zira is actually crazier than she lets on. My theory is that SHE found this cub, noticed that he had visual similarities as scar, named him and took him in, possibly even stealing him from his actual mother and now believes that he was "hand chosen" because he looks like him.
I don't think Scar had anything to do with it. Which would completely explain the cubs age and the impossibility of Scar being around at the time Kovu was born.
I also think Zira maybe had at best a one night fling with Scar, fell hopelessly in love and obsession and that Nuka is Scar's actual son, he looks much more like him, albeit scrawny, than Kovu ever did.
This also explains why Kovu thinks he's part of the issue. Zira is batshit crazy and actually, yes there is supposed to be undertones of her having the hots for her "son" if he reminds her more of Scar than her real son.
It would also make her a cougar, which she actually kinda looks like one, heh.
I give a lot of credit to this movie. On top of the bad guy being incredibly complex in her own insanity, the ending message of the film is about realizing that people are not evil because they choose to be and if given a chance, forgiving people for their mistakes can actually benefit everyone in the end.
I actually think both Kira and Kovu fit as being bland because both of them were raised under really bizarre situations. Kovu had it drilled into his head that Scar was a martyr and a god by a adoptive mother who was obsessed with the guy and led others who also probably didn't see Scar for what he was. Think about him as Hitler. Even today there are probably people who don't understand why what Hitler did was horrible, and there are people like Zira who will never see the truth.
Zira is a great bad guy because she's legitimately frightening, uncomfortable and her song while not as catchy or as epic as be prepared, is quite a bit darker and more grotesque. Scar wanted to be king and was willing to kill to get there. But Zira wants to massacre everyone in the pridelands to take over.
The movie has it's flaws, but honestly, I think it's a great follow up, because the story fits perfectly, talks about the real and previously not seen aftermath of what happens when a dictator takes over and is over thrown. There were some people who believed that he was a good leader. And in the end, it basically talks about truly forgiving the past, trying to understand why people can become obsessed or not want to see a truth.
That's usually the fan consensus.
Another theory is that Scar couldn't produce any worthy Cubs/males (theory of where the outlanders came from), so Zira hooked up with another similar lion (fan consensus it being one of the lions from the various comics) and Kovu and Vitani were born.
That was the most beautiful in-depth explanation about Kovu's existence ever.
I couldn't have said it better, THIS is why I love this sequel. I actually saw the sequel first (due to my parents not realizing) and I didn't have the chance to see the original for quite some time. I know that a lot of my passion for this movie is due to nostalgia, but I was genuinely creeped out and intrigued by Zira as a kid. The message about forgiving others for their actions, especially after their views have significantly changed, and the second message/theme about how an abusive/manipulative upbringing will convince the child they have the same wants and ambitions, really stuck with me.
I was too tiny to remember the first time I saw this movie, but I was around 4 or 5 when I remember really understanding the base message. Obviously it became more apparent and more complex as I grew up, but I was a little disappointed after watching the original as a 8 or 9 year old because the message didn't hit me as hard. Part of that was probably my bias towards the second movie and the hype everyone gave about it, but the message of "Scar is evil and works with an evil group" and "take responsibility for your actions" didn't quite make the same impression. The Hyenas weren't allowed in the pride lands why? Was there no possible way that they could have shared the prides in peace like the other animals? Mufasa is praised as this untouchable king of goodness but gives no explanation for his mistreatment of those without the resources they need to survive. The outsiders have a reason to be banished and untrustworthy, they sided with the lion that murdered their king, blamed his Nephew, and destroyed the ecosystem.
And while Simba does learn his lesson about "taking responsibility" by the end of the first movie, the message seems really muddled because HE WAS A KID. Scar manipulated him because Simba was a child and didn't know better. I don't know, the messages, both intentional and unintentional seemed confusing and a bit more blown out of proportion than the second. But then again that's just my opinion.
Edit: Zira was also more bloodthirsty and crazy which made her much more enjoyable to watch.
This is one of the only two disney straight to video sequels that I like.
+Daniel Law The Lion King one in a half
You know, when I was young I had a remarkably violent dream in which Zira ripped off a sleeping not-quite Nuka's head. Then there was "off-screen' digging sounds but I wasn't looking anymore. This character, man.
God.
I know
Zira is intense, man.
aye
Charles Stanford O_O HOLY SHIT
Artistically, Zira's original death would have actually worked. it would of shown her to be so consumed by hatred that she would rather die than unite with Simba. It would have been consistent with her character.
Uh, Zira already is consumed with hatred to the point where she was happy with dying over reuniting with Simba's pride (pun completely unintended). And they even made it work in the film! Artistically and generally!
You didn't mention the awesome song when Kovu gets exiled.
Yes...yes he did
Not really.
He explains why in the commentary video
Christopher Spaulding ELISEO ACEVEDO CRISTINA martinez
Christopher Spaulding dkdkbkgkgkgkgmgmtmhkgkf
Am I the only one who thinks they should have kept Zira's suicide decision in the final cut?
+LadyOfBroadway333 I always thought she let go on purpose in the final cut. Is that not what happens? child me assumed she committed suicide. *shrug*
The whispered, "no... never" would have added a lot of creepy factor to it though. That was shudder-worthy.
Kendra T It's the crazy eyes. Zira is a practiced expert in the crazy eyes.
+LadyOfBroadway333 No, no you are not!!!
Eamonn Deane
Sucks the voice actor passed away :(
+Eamonn Deane Holy cow, I never realized that! Too perfect.
Actually Kiara was conceived during Can You Feel the Love Tonight. Everybody knows that.
yup hey read my long comment about how kovu was born. u might agree with something
actually, it was kopa ;)
No the club at the end of Lion King is clearly different one.
kopa is not canon, the cub at the end of tlk1 is indeed Kiara, Producer's word.
@@sarasamaletdin4574 it's kion
I kind of always felt like this movie was sort of like how Nostalgia Chick talks about the Little Mermaid. The story isn't really a progression for Kiara and Kovu, it's a progression for Simba. It's Simba coming to terms with his daughter growing up and having to learn that, not only does he have to let her grow up and do things on her own, but that he also needs to learn to listen to her as well. Looking back on it, if the romance really was supposed to be the main thing we were latching onto in the narrative, why was it that every scene with Kiara and Kovu was quickly followed up by Simba's reaction to it?
LexofGotham I know this comment was a year ago but you have put a whole new perspective on this movie :3
This exactly.
And don't forget that the title of the movie is called "Simba's Pride" for a reason. Or for multiple reasons depending on how you take on the word "pride".
Exactly, I had never really thought of the romance as the central plot, more of a tool to further Simba's arc with forgiveness and trust.
"Monte-Growls"? "Capu-Lions"? My god, those puns actually hurt!
Jacob Below oh god these puns
Raise your hand up if you found out if "Montegrowls" and "Capulions" was a pun made before CodedLockFilms could make it.
Yeah, I never thought so. So then it's completely recent by having been existent since mid-2015!
call me crazy I actually really like the "we are one" song from Kiara's perspective it's the start of her self actualization journey to who she's going to be as a lioness queen (also being quite a bit more realistic than her father was of the job description as a cub)
I actually kind of like Zira's song. People are probably gonna tear me apart for saying that, but I do find it catchy. Though it can't compete with Be Prepared.
+Bane Knightfall yeah, not a fan of the song, but i think that if they focused on intimidation rather than creepy sensual mother, i think they could have gotten much better results both in the song and in the movie
I'm super late, but I also like the song.
Man I love “My Lullaby”
The song slapped, ngl. I might be the only one, but I still prefer it over be prepared.
The song's great. Dark and creepy but great.
I always thought this was one of the best of the Disney sequels.... Which doesn't say much for any of them
+Yougotsblounchsked But, now when you really start to think about it....it really isn't as great as you thought it was. I mean, compared to Aladdin and the King of Thieves, Cinderella III, Lilo and Stitch 2, An Extremely Goofy Movie, Brother Bear 2, and Bambi II, this sequel just doesn't really seem to catch on quite well. Nor does it actually age well I might add.
I see your point... Then again the last time I made that opinion was in middle school, yeah opinions change over time.... I liked Aladdin 3, and Cinderella 3 was much darker than I expected going in. At least it wasn't boring like Cinderella 2. Bambi II was alright, but it had that really creepy scene in the meadow.
Yougotsblounchsked Yeah, that's true. But, it's like what Metro-Man said in "MegaMind"..."There is a Yin in every Yang." Whenever there's a "Return of Jafar", there's a "Aladdin and the King of Thieves." Whenever there is a "Pocahontas 2", there's a "Lilo and Stitch 2" and whenever there's a "Cinderella II," there's a "Cinderella III."
There's always a better direct-to-DVD Disney sequel than the first sequel that is intentionally bad. And there are also a few that are truly underrated.
I love this video
jesus christ that deleted scene was DARK!!
yeah when I paused on her face I actually felt myself shudder. And gees I am happy she didn't do the whisper.
All the deleted scenes of the villains are cool.
Zira's suicide is the best, but don't forget Nuka's actual last words (to Zira) "At least I finally got your attention". The poor thing. ):
@@MIZZKIE OMG I DID NOT KNOW THAT 'O' POOR NUKA
I really wish they stuck with the original ending
Mathew Williams hell yeah!
As for the movie itself, I actually think Zira is just as good a villain as Scar. Mostly because she's a much darker villain than Scar was (let's face it, Scar, while a good villain, was pretty incompetent at times and most of the suffering he caused was accidental).
Zira was driven purely by cold blooded vengeance, the chance to not only take back the pridelands but to make Simba pay a horrible gruesome death. As I said, Scar caused suffering by accident, Zira however fully intended on making every prideland resident suffer. She may have cared somewhat for her children and group as a whole but ultimately her priorities deemed the death of Simba more important than her own group's interests and wants.
Also, if they had her commit suicide as originally planned, I think she would've been a darker villain than even Frollo (IIRC, Frollo was never so blindly determined to get his way that he saw suicide as a better alternative than letting the heroes win).
Honestly, Zira is what makes this movie for me. Her deeply disturbed actions and outright blind determination to get her revenge make her a fascinating villain.
One more thing, couldn't Zira be a possible Shakespearian villain or am I just being too fan boyish at this point?
I do love Zira and it's just so much fun watching her move around and be so evil lmao- she has a excellent voice as well- tbh, I like she more than Scar
No because I agree with you
I wish they *Had* done an actual prequel on when Mufasa and Scar were cubs instead of what we ended up with.
me too.
I just learned that there apparently are some storybooks that covers this.
I want a Lk movie that covers scrapped characters like Kopa and Mheetu for example. Even Sarabis orgins would be interesting to look into.
Junkproductions there are storybooks about that
Wish granted I guess?
There's one way they could have avoided the plot holes regarding Kovu not being Scar's son, why and when he was chosen, the chronology issues and the fact that Zira and her pride were nowhere to be seen in the first film:
Forget Scar, and instead of making Zira her widow/fan, she should've been the daughter or grandaughter of some other evil lion exiled by Mufasa before the events of the first film.
So: Zira's motivation is to avenge her ancestor who maybe starved to death; Simba's motivation is no longer his residual hatred of Scar, but his love for his father and his desicions and laws; and there are no plot holes.
EDIT: Also they totally should have kept Zira's suicide in the final film.
You've got quality in your review man. You've earned yourself a subscriber
Actually, that would make Kiara and Kovu second cousins.
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First cousins once removed, actually. But we're splitting manes here. =)
Is it still illegal because of incest?
CodedLockFilms Oh, silly me. Brain fart.
+DracoRogue1218 It's not illegal, because they are lions. Incest is very common in the animal kingdom. But it wouldn't fly in a Disney movie.
Is that why it was straight to video?
The Lion king 2: Simba's Pride is the best Disney sequel made by Disneytoon Studios(for many years I believed that it was made by WDAS), followed by Aladdin and The King of Thieves and Planes: Fire & Rescue.
And I know that technically The Rescuers Down Under, is cosidered the best sequel to a WDAS movie(since is made by them), and also one of the most underrated Disney movies(and I love it by the way)...but personally I think that Lion King 2 is more underrated
The whole "Scar isn't Kovu's dad" came from the fact that he originally WAS Scar's kid, but they realized that would mean incest between Kovu and Kiara really late into production. So, they had to try and make it seem like he was totally not Scar's kid, which poked a few holes into the plot that couldn't be fixed on such short notice.
Also, I'm really glad you showed that other ending - way creepier.
I just wanted to point out that I think it's ridiculous to suggest that there's racist undertones to the Lion King because of their fur colours. The darker colour of the Hyenas is because they live in the shadows, the outlands, are dirty and unwell. Their colours fit their design well and tbh I'd probably developed them a very similar way. No one was thinking about race but if you wanna bring it up I'd also like to point out that Scar was played by a white guy, Mufasa by a black guy and the Hyena were played by a black woman, latino-American and white guy. Not to mention Kovu seems to be darker in colour than both Scar and his mother who are the main villains in both movies. (Note that his family are all darker, thinner and desaturated in colour when compared to the pride lions because they live in dirty, dark places like the hyena).
I think that just because you CAN judge character by their appearance and make vague connections between how anthropomorphic animal characters look and race doesn't mean we need talk about racism in Disney or something like that.
That's probably more than was necessary to talk about but I just thought it was a poorly thought-out comment he made and wanted to share my opinions as a sort of rebuttal on the matter.
Oh and I think a more accurate comparison would be that the villains are like the lower class living in poor, dirty conditions. The pride lions are healthier, cleaner in appearance and design, and live in one of the most desirable areas of land around on their high rock where all the other characters bow down to them. Mufasa inherited this from his parents while Scar was poorer of health, wealth and mind. Honestly I'd say that's reading a little much into the Lion King but class is a more accurate comparison than between race in my opinion, especially when you consider how many varied species their are.
The phrase was "coding," not "coating." It has nothing to do with their fur colors. I've talked about this with other people in the comments, but I'll summarize here:
Coding is a complex topic, but in this context, it's used to describe visual and character-based shorthand to convey aspects of a character or group of characters to an audience. The lions in the movie live in the opulent, lush Pridelands, and are represented as fairly European by the fact that their society is organized much like a traditionally European hereditary monarchy. They are also presented as fairly peaceful and reasonable by nature
The hyenas, by contrast, live in a dark, dank, dirty place, reminiscent of a stereotypical "inner city" environment, which are areas that, historically, have higher percentages of ethnic minorities. They are portrayed as nasty, dangerous, and inherently violent, also negative stereotypes associated with inner city environments, and by extension, the people who live there.
When the hyenas move into the Pridelands, their coming has a very "there goes the neighborhood" connotation to it, and the idea is more or less "Of COURSE they run it right into the ground, because that's just what those damn hyenas are like." Sarabi believes that there is no solution to the issue beyond leaving Pride Rock, which has a historical parallel to a concept called "white flight." "White flight" was the term given to the phenomenon wherein when a lot of minorities started moving into the cities, many "well-to-do" white families moved into the suburbs to get away from said minorities. Resources were then diverted away from those areas, leading to the so-called "ghettos."
Does any of this mean I think the creators of The Lion King were racist, or intentionally included this subtext? No, of course not. They were drawing upon cultural shorthand to illustrate a point to their audience. But through no fault of their own, said cultural shorthand is rooted in a very racist aspect of human history. Doesn't make The Lion King a racist film overall, but it's still a problematic aspect of the movie.
CodedLockFilms Ah well, that kinda goes with the second comment I made about the classes. I don't think anything is intentional or harmful/problematic however. I mean I grew up watching this and I don't think everyone living in a dodgy neighbourhood is evil. But it's an interesting topic. Thanks for such an extensive reply.
CodedLockFilms wow you're thinking way to into this kid movie lol
I don't think that this comparison really works. After all, the residents of America's inner cities never sided with the Vice President and staged a coup, taking over Washington and then running the country to the ground through cronyism, apathy, and mismanagement. It seems to me that it would be more accurate to see the hyenas as lower class peasants suffering in pre revolutionary France, Russia, China, Cuba, etc. who later seize power in a revolt led by a charismatic leader, only for the leader's mismanagement to lead to economic ruination, which is essentially what happened in these countries. Like peasants, the hyenas are always hungry, limited in their ability to move off their barren plot of land, and envious of the upper classes, who they see as having a lot of resources but being unwilling to share. Additionally, the elites of these societies feared that acceding to the demands of a lower class they saw as uncivilized would lead to destabilization, which is what happens after the hyenas take over.
To imply that the movie blames the "inner cities" hyenas alone for the problems under Scar's rule seems a bit of a stretch. While we don't know why the hyenas were exiled in the first place, the movie strongly suggests that allowing them to run rampant over the Pridelands without lions to keep them in check kicked the "Circle of Life" out of balance, leading to food shortages. Indeed, the movie doesn't even seem to fully blame the hyenas for the food shortages, but rather attribute them to the mismanagement of Scar, the "European" royal lion. His willful blindness to his own policy failures ensures that even the hyenas are starving by the end of the film.
Again, the problem that the hyenas face is not that they are the victims of racial or species based discrimination, but that they are hungry and want more food which would suggest that the conflict in the Lion King is more of a class issue than a race issue (notice that in the final scene of "Be Prepared", Scar's silhouette against the moon resembles a Communist hammer and sickle). In light of this, Sarabi's insistence that the lions leave Pride Rock seems more reminiscent of the Russian and French monarchs' attempts to flee into exile, or wealthy Cubans and Chinese fleeing to the US and Taiwan respectively to avoid Communist takeovers, than to "white flight."
Just my two cents.
I was afraid that you gonna be too harsh on the movie.Because it`s one of my few favorite Disney sequels.
But after watching this I gotta say - you`ve done your job PERFECTLY.
You`ve pointed out the flaws that actually make sense and I agree with them completely.
Very well done review :D
Keep it up :)
Just a little newsflash I thought I should bring up: among these "white" lions you seem to label, both Mufasa and Sarabi are voiced by Afican-American actors-as is Rafiki. So personally, I'd say all these racism arguments are pretty moot.
That's what I liked about the original movie even though "The Lion King" is set in Africa the voice cast is made up of black people and white people here's a few examples:
James Earl Jones (black)
Jeremy Irons (white)
Whoopi Goldberg (black)
Rowan Atkinson (white)
Robert Guillaume (black)
Matthew Broderick (white)
He labeled them in a way how protagonists back in the day seem to have more colors while the bad guys usually have dark and dull color scheme.
Because a black guy's playing the role cant be racist?
The song "He Lives In You" was actually on a CD called " Rhythm of the Pridelands" and came out about six months after the original film..... it hand some songs that were dropped from the original film......
you said in the beginning that you cant compare the first movie to hamlet because they are different yet you actively compare the second to romeo and Juliet even though they are different? I see a flaw in your logic there mister
***** and the first one isn't? I'm just saying I see a flaw in what you say.
@@mariewakahisa3916 who are you talking to?
AwwwwwwWWWWWW thanks Jesseeeee!!!
Oh my god... CODE MONEY'S BACK!!!! Hey man I loved your reviews man. I was hoping one day you would return and now you did. BTW it's okay man if you don't like the sequel. I am just glad to see another one of your reviews.(I swear you barely make any videos anymore.:( )
I don't get annoyed by the fact that the Disney sequels are lazy and cheap anymore. it's almost become like a fact of life and I got over being offended by them years ago but this is one to which I take an exception because unlike the others there's no reason why it had to be a half assed home video. The first Lion King was incredibly successful. You can't tell me that if they didn't put more into the production, got some more elite writers to work on it, and released it in theatres a few years after the first there wouldn't have been an audience for it. with a movie like Cinderella I can see how a sequel might not have worked as well theatrically but for stuff like Aladdin and Lion King there was no reason to go the home video route.
Blake Walker Thank God it's not canon.
There actually is a reason. After the economical failure of (the admittedly poorly marketed) Rescuers Down Under, Walt Disney Animation Studios decided to never make sequels to their movies ever again... (until Frozen)
Zaazza85 you know I did completely forget about the rescuers down under which didn't do too well, so it is understandable that that made them a little bit more cautious but the original lion king was far more critically and commercially successful than the original rescuers so there's more of a built in audience plus if they'd gotten it out within 5 years they could've kept the momentum going whereas I think rescuers down under came out about 15 years later or something like that.
+Zaazza85 Speaking of "The Rescuers Down Under", is it worth watching? I've heard good things about it and I admittedly kind of liked the first one. Both the Nostalgia Critic and the Nostalgia Chick said it was good, and the animation for it looks amazing from what I've seen.
Hannah Shribman-Brown I think it's worth a watch. It might not be the greatest renaissance movie but it's still a renaissance movie. It's an underrated movie.
best Disney sequel
SECOND cousin, to be accurate!
First cousins once removed, actually.
CodedLockFilms
Explain! Because last time I checked, the second cousin is the child of the first cousin.
No. First cousins share a grandparent, second cousins share a great-grandparent, et cetera. The type of cousin you are ("first," "second," etc.) refers to the number of generations between two cousins and their nearest common ancestor. The term "removed" refers to the number of generations separating the cousins. So your first cousin once removed is the child (or parent) of your first cousin.
Since Mufasa and Scar were brothers, their children would be cousins. This makes any child of Scar the first cousin once removed of any of Simba's children.
Source:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cousin#First_cousins_once_removed
CodedLockFilms
Oh!
Actually not in all country this is true, here in Italy the son of the frst cousins is indeed second cousin, and your second cousin is our third cousin
Nice to see you back, BTW. Your opinion on this movie is pretty similar to mine. What really bugs me is forcing Simba and Nala into the traditional roles of "Overprotective Dad who just doesn't understand" and "Mom who materializes only to dispense advice." Movies like "Finding Nemo" and "The Incredibles" prove that kids can relate just as well with compelling parent characters as they can with kid characters.
+animagusurreal That's a common problem with sequels, that involve the main character being a father. It happened in both Happy Feet 2 and Ice Age 4. Sometimes they take a character that was likable enough, and turn him into a worrying father, making him less likable.
animagusurreal Eh the overprotective parent is completely underlstandable for Simba
After all he did lose his dad at a young age and even though he learned that Scar was the one who killed Mufasa, you can't blame him for always wanting to be there to protect Kiara
This is exactly why like Marlin (who very luckily learned to stop being an overprotective father by becoming a travelling hero for his son and bestie Nemo), and even Dracula (to a lesser extent because God knows how inferior Hotel Transylvania is compared to Fidning Nemo, which unfortunately, many people denied), Simba had much more of a reason to be an overprotective father than stupid Mumble (the Penguin) and especially Manny (the Mammoth)!!!
@@kieranstark7213 you do know Mannys last family was killed
Uh yeah, but even with the fact that Peaches was a teenager at that time, she took it WAY too poorly.
I remember these videos every few years and then go on a binge, very nostalgic and you’re the reason Code Monkey is on repeat in my playlist
But aren't Simba and Nala half siblings? Since Mufasa was the only male besides Scar in the pride lands. So I don't see why it would be taboo in Disney's eyes to have Kiara and Kouv be cousins.
+RolyaRain It's basically because Simba and Nala being half-siblings is much easier for Disney to ignore. It's one of those things that you only really think about if it's pointed out. Whereas in this movie, it would be impossible not to acknowledge it.
+CodedLockFilms Aw I see, it's funny because I heard a rumor that the reason Disney wouldn't buy the "Back to the Future" franchise was because it had incest in it. Yet they bought the 'Star Wars' franchise.. lol kinda ironic if it's true.
+RolyaRain I love how in the original plans for the star wars trilogy, George wanted Luke and Leia to hook up... But kept them siblings... And wanted them to love each other more once they learned... Thankfully the actors and crew said no. Back then people had the courage to step up against Georgie Boy's insanity
+RolyaRain That's because Simba and Nala are NOT officially half-siblings as Mufasa is not officially considered to be Nala's father. People get based too much on that bit of dialogue between Simba and Nala when Simba tells her that she sounds like his father and she replies that at least one of them does but when the Disney script-writers wrote this, what they had in mind was Simba and Nala referring to a person that they both know, not a person they are both related to and the key word here is that Simba says "MY" father and not "OUR" father. Plus, when Zazu tells Simba and Nala that they will be married, Simba says that he cannot marry her because she is his FRIEND when he could have said SISTER. Now, in a more recent interview, directors Roger Allers and Rob Minkoff said that they didn't think at that time that the identity of Nala's father was important in the story of The Lion King (little did they know!) but they think it may be either Mufasa or Scar. However, in another interview, Tom Bancroft confirmed that he and the team of animators involved in the making had taken for granted that Nala is related to neither Mufasa nor Scar. Besides, after so many years since the movie’s making, Roger Allers and Rob Minkoff seem to forget that Scar was definitely not considered to be Nala's father even at that time since, in a deleted scene, he forcefully attempts to make him his mate and banishes her from the Pride Lands when she refuses (part of this scene was used later in the stage musical version) so they probably don't have all the details fresh in their mind and if they are wrong about Scar, they are probably wrong about Mufasa too.
Another thing about why people think that Mufasa is Nala's father is
because they are based too much on what happens in real life in lion prides where the dominant lion is the one that mates with all the females. Others think it is Scar because in real life, when another male lion takes over, it kills the cubs that are the offspring of other males. However, the animals in the movie are partly humanised and, according to Eisner, they metaphorically represent certain aspects of modern day humanity. That custom of lions killing cubs does not seem to exist in The Lion King as Simba did not kill Zira's cubs either and he is not related to any of them (and even in real life it does not always happen). And the movie, lion kings probably select only one mate and the other lionesses mate with rogues (this thing about lionesses sneaking out and mating with rogues happens in real life too). Based on these, while it still a possibility that Mufasa is her father, it is a lot more likely that Nala's father is an unknown rogue.
It should also be mentioned that in earlier drafts of The Lion King,
Sarabi and Nala's mother were sisters and it may have been implied that Mufasa was the father of both their cubs but the incest scenario would not guarantee a hit at the box-office.
+NorthStar8211 Ok thanks for that extra long comment. Really wasn't needed though, but Happy New Year.
The whole “paw picked by scar” thing is just supposed to a thinly veiled shout of “NO INCEST” that’s repeated over and over as to make the romance okay.
Nuka however is Scar’s real son.
This isn't the first time Susanne Pleshette and Jason Marsden have worked together. Jason voiced Haku, and Susanne Pleshette voiced Yubaba in Spirited Away
As a longtime subscriber, I must say this is certainly one of the absolute best (and funniest) videos you have made! You've done such a great job over the years of creating your own style and it seems to have really matured. Beautiful work on this one! :)
The dream sequence really fucked me up as a kid
I know I used to have nightmares about it.
I've been watching your videos and your style has really matured a lot. I enjoyed the first ones but I've seen a lot of growth, especially in your analysis of Romeo and Juliet.
Good review as always. Really, no Direct to DVD will be as good as its predecessor. Lion King 2 had a very daunting act to follow. My main issue with this one (and I haven't seen it) is: Where did these Outlanders come from? The first movie showed all the lionesses following Simba and the Hyenas following Scar. Yet here, they say he had a pride. These lionesses come from nowhere and it's really irritating and even lazy. Are you planning to do more? I would to see you do HOND 2, if you get the chance, but it's no biggie.
Who cares if they're cousins? They're lions.
apparently disney does. That's why they went crazy trying to emphasize Kovu is NOT Scar's son. if Kovu and Kiara dated each other and Kovu was Scar's son, that'd be incest
It never made sense in the first Lion King that young Simba never met Rafiki. All that time he was there he never met an important member of the kingdom? When Simba is older, Rafiki comes to him but Simba has no idea who he is.
CV E That's... a really good point.
According to THE LION GUARD, the implications are that Simba and Nala really did it during the "Can you feel the love tonight" song, so Kiara was most likely conceived before Simba returned.
Yay! Good to see you back! Well done as always. Haven't actually watched this movie for a bit, but based on my memories of it, it seems like a Worth Borrowing sort of movie.
Now I need to finish my Bargain Bin Review. You'd think I was moving apartments over the past two weeks or something . . .
I might--MIGHT--actually be able to do VEDS this year. We'll see.
bandgeek8408 Thanks!
Yeah, I heard about the move through the grapevine. Good luck to you on that; moving is never exactly a joyous process. I've been Maddie's only real assistance in that regard over the last couple of years, so I am well versed in all the ins and out by this point.
Well, I will certainly be doing VEDS again. I have never missed a year and I do not intend to start now. I'll be happy to have you along as always, if not, well, I've done it alone before. =)
Upendi is now stuck in my head and it will be for a while
"He Lives in You" is NOT from the Broadway Musical.
It was a track from a collections of songs related to the Lion King called "Rhythm of the Pride Lands".
It's a HIGHLY recommended CD because it has many songs that are inspired by the soundtrack of TLK, including the theme of TLK turned into "Lea Halalela", which later became "Shadowland" of the Broadway Musical.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhythm_of_the_Pride_Lands
(and I still have the original cassette tape LOL)
Only bad guys are pointy😂😂😂😂SO TRUE
The reason he's chosen as not being Scars actual biological son is because even though in the wild there can be multiple kids being born from sibling family marriages. Disney wanted to emphasize that that isn't exactly what they wanted to have Scars brother's grandchild to fall in love with a younger Scar. If he was his son then that would be very complicated and turn their family tree into how it is in the wild where family orientation doesn't mean jack-squat! So avoid the family complication's that people are confused and judging in a Romeo and Juliet comparison. Thus, make him a random guy and it's all cool!
The first movie does not show that Scar had cubs but he may have been with Zira long enough to have had Nuka and Vitani then when he realized he was not getting a healthy male heir sent her and the cubs away where she mated with another lion and had Kovu.
I love your reviews, so entertaining, and I'm glad to see another one! Your Disney Direct to DVD's are among my favorite videos to relax to. :)
To be completely honest, Zira was my favorite character because she was bat**** crazy. I loved her voice actress in this movie and in spirited away. Both Zira and Yubaba have shown themselves to be capable of being loving mothers if only their greed and/or hate hadn't gotten the better of them. Yubaba repented somewhat in the end while Zira on the other hand was beyond saving. All in all Lion King 2 was a decent movie.
CodedLockFilms: I don't want to hear about your inner kitty.
Me: Omg. Lol. Such a dirty mind.
Your reactions to Zira crack me up 😂😂
Honestly it would have been a better retcon to state that Scar was adopted
I loved this movie,
and omfg i laughed so hard at that Outsides reference, classic XDDDD
I love imagining Zira fangirling over Scar while he was alive.
"Unfortunately there's not a single one called Pony boy or Soda Pop." Heh,I see what you did there.That book is the last thing I expected to be referenced.
Nice review, Jesse!
Looking forward to VEDS
i love your reviews :) i used to be a big fan still am. i actually remember requesting this few years ago so thank you :)
THAT OUTSIDERS REFERENCE THO!!!! XD
This movie isn't great, but I still have a liking for it.
+Brenna Okazaki dido.
It was very funny when you said cub protective services.
One of the best thing happened today.
I saw CodedLockFilms had a new Disney Sequel review.
1) For the moral high-ground I have to disagree. The Capulet's are arguably the antagonists. Let's look at the members of the two families, Romeo's cousin is Benvolio who is the trying to be the peacemaker. On the other hand, you have Juliet's cousin Tybalt who is the type of guy that would pick a fight in an empty room. Plus you see that Juliet's parents are much more aggressive than Romeo's
2) The kingdom running into the ground wasn't Scar's fault. It' was the deus ex machina drought that was the reason rule under Scar was so bad since the Circle of Life shows Favouritism.
When did Scar have supporters in the first movie? There was no indication that any of the lionesses were loyal to Scar.
In all seriousness though if you really think about it Zera did got what she wanted. Kufu well becoming a future king.
You actually know Shakespeare and Disney. You, Sir, are a delight.
If there's one thing I wish this movie did, I wish they would've let Simba and Zira fight, before Kiara and Kovu interrupt.
18:10 can we take a moment to appreciate Jim Cummings evil cackle!😈😁
Every time I hear that laugh, I instantly think of Dr Julian Ivo Robtnik!
6:28 Well judging from the distance from where your standing Kira, pretty much nothing. Seriously the Outlands look like a whole lot of deserted nothing. The Elephant Graveyard had more to offer than this.
I liked the movie
I love this movie so much!
“KOVU ISN’T SCAR’S KID, KOVU X KIARA IS NOT INCESTUOUS, WE SWEAR TO GOD”
My biggest problem with Kiara as a character:
"Daddy, you're lying about Kovu attacking you! I've known him for a whole day and a half! He'd NEVER do that!" *Runs away to be with the lion who was just directly accused of trying to MURDER her own father*
Kiara was right about Kovu, but purely by chance. Kovu could've just been a really great actor around her and she would've fell for it hook, line and sinker. A love-sick idiot. Just like Juliet, I guess. She didn't even question Kovu about the ambush, just completely absolved him of all blame with no evidence that he wasn't directly involved. Every decision she made in this movie was a middle finger to Simba. Simba was constantly validated for not trusting her to do shit on her own - she nearly got killed several times and there was a neighbouring pride of bloodthirsty lions who wanted him and his family dead, and yet HE'S the asshole?? Fuck off TLK2.
This movie is way worse than people give it credit for, thank you for pointing out its flaws, something not many are brave enough to do given how many rabid fans it has.
This movie is the circle of plot holes.
Nice to see you back mate :) and awesome review loved the Monty Python reference you did with Mufasa, this was worth the wait and I'm glad that you are doing well, keep up the great work Jesse :)
12:41 it's so when Kovu and Kiara fall in love, it's not considered incest. that is literally the only reason lol
Commented before watching the entire video, eh? =)
CodedLockFilms yeah. I like to leave comments as I watch. like...commentating on what you've made (do this with other youtubers too)
Fair enough. Hope you're enjoying it.
CodedLockFilms I am, so much so that I'm a new subscriber now
LK 2 is disgustingly mediocre. I always had problems with it. It's weak. The only thing that was great about it was Zira and the deleted scenes. Says a lot about a movie when you hate the movie's star: Kiara, and love its villain.
XD "follow the long pungent treail of my piss" XD lol
This movie is very underated. I feel like it doesn't get alot of the attention it deserves. Its really only one of the only direct to disney video sequels that are almost as good as the one that came before it in terms of animation and music.
I see Nuka as a Tybalt stand in, its too obvious to ignore.
I swear when I saw that you uploaded a new video it felt like a legendary hero had risen back again.
Can say i didn't expect a Disney movie to say the word murderous
I think my biggest issue with this movie's story is the sheer existence of Zira and the outlanders. How can they exist when it was blatantly obvious that *nobody* supported Scar at the end of the first movie? Did Scar have his own pride off screen? Did Simba make some decisions that Pride Rock's denizens were not fond of during his first couple months of ruling? What happened? They never bother to explain this at all and it bugs the hell out of me.
23:13 Kiara: You don't know him
King Triton: Know him? I don't have to know him
Could you do lion king 1 1/2 ????
Come on, he's got dignity, man.
Jomaster The Second it's not that bad.
Okay, I'm not gonna lie....but, this movie really should've gotten a "PG" rating, instead of a "G" rating. Seriously, could someone explain to me how this movie ended up with a "G" rating, instead of "PG" rating again?!
Funny thing is, besides the suicide being original, Kovu and Kiara were related, Zira commenting suicide, and Nuka's dying words being "I finally got your attention, didn't I?"
Neo-Xgray87 wait what does G mean?
Neo-Xgray87 wait what does G mean?
Grainne Quinn "Guidance". That's about it.
+Grainne Quinn General audience, generally given to kid's movies.
Hi, Jesse! Glad to have "Getting real tired of your shit, Romeo" spread around! And hey -- 24 hours and some significant interactions actually dating back a few days? These guys are MILES ahead of R&J, who decided to get married after TWO hours and WERE married before a full day had passed.
It's not terribly difficult to be miles ahead of people who drove nails into their feet at the metaphorical starting line. And then welded barbells onto the nails. And then started making out.
I`m so glad you're back. Great review, once again! Missed your commentary and sense of humor.
You can't imagine how happy I got watching this in the subscription box.
"INNUENDIIIIIII~" That actually made me laugh out loud, thank you for that!
You said that the song "He Lives in You" comes from the Broadway musical "The Lion King" and while the song is featured in the musical it actually comes from a album called "Rhythm of the Pride Lands" they just use a shorter version of the song in "The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride" the version that's on "Rhythm of the Pride Lands" is longer then an the version that's in "The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride".
Why is it that sequels tend to recycle things from the predecessor or have similar but different equivalents? Like lots of things in A Christmas Story 2 (the tongue inside a pneumatic tube, for example), the entire plot of Little Mermaid 2, the musical numbers in Lion King 2, the plot of all the Final Destination movies. That seems especially prevalent in straight to video Disney sequels.
I love the Mufasa Monty Python reference. Surprised no-one thought of that before.
the world of warcraft reference just gained u a follower XD
This was a great review! Very entertaining!
I like the use of reaction clips and as always, your incite on where the story needs to improve. :)
Guess Simba DID have pride... IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE!!! MIND BLOWN!!!
Dude!! The scream part killed me!! I was laughing so hard!! XD
It’s not. It’s a straight steal of the Japanese 1960’s anime series Kimba the White Lion. Shot by shot. Same characters. It’s crazy.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who likes Upendi. I genuinely think that song wouldn't have sounded out of place in the first movie.