The Lion King II: Simba's Pride - Nostalgia Critic
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It's not only one of the highest selling direct to video movies, but it's a sequel to one of the biggest films of all time. What does Nostalgia Critic think of the animated followup? Let's find out as NC takes a look at The Lion King II: Simba's Pride.
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The Lion King II: Simba's Pride (later retitled The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride) is a 1998 American animated direct-to-video romantic musical film and a sequel to Disney's 1994 animated feature film, The Lion King. The story takes place in a kingdom of lions in Africa and was influenced by William Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet. According to co-director Darrell Rooney, the final draft gradually became a variation of Romeo and Juliet.
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I was watching lion king 2
I think Timon and Pumba were scared of Simba's kid being a girl because they know girl lions are the hunters, after all Pumba was nearly killed by Nala in the first movie.
Timon is also gay.
I never thought of that until you said it
@@plawson8577 he's not gay
@@Eminster Yes he is the voice actor for Timon, Nathan Lane is indeed gay.
@@omegamysterio3701 just because the voice actor is gay, doesn't mean the character is
Lion King: Hamlet in Africa
Lion King II: Romeo and Juliet in Africa.
Lion King 1 1/2: Back to the Future 2 in Africa
That's actually pretty accurate
Actually its Rosencrantz and Guilderstern are Dead in Africa.
I don't see many similarities betewen "Lion King 1 1/2" and "Back To The Future 2"
@@trippcory many the side characters inserted into scenes they were not in before.
@@trippcory I think he meant a different point of view from a previous movie
The Zebra belting that “DisgraaAaAAAcE” is everything
lmao
HE ASKED FOR TROUBLE THE MOMENT HE CAME
It was a meme here in Brasil
My jaw absolutely dropped to the center of the earth as a kid when I heard that.
ICONIC
I’m glad he praised the voice acting because that’s what really sets the difference between voice actors and celebrity voices. Voice actors don’t just read a script, they act it out and not every celebrity can convey emotion through their voices.
You absolutely _nailed_ the problem I have with this whole prolific celebrity names on the poster being the single defining draw to an animated movie! I've definitely noticed how most times (I only say most, because there are at least some celebrities out there who have a great, natural understanding of voice acting) the celebrity sees it as a way to be wacky, goofy, and fun for the kids. While I watch the movie I can easily imagine them in the recording booth, flailing their arms.
With voice actors, though, I'm completely swept up, my mind doesn't drift to how it looks behind the scenes, the inflection feels so natural. It truly belongs to the character.
@@LadyDecember It's the one thing I always praise in films animated or live-action, especially for "star talent". If I can forget that a celebrity is actually performing the character then it's an amazing performance, but if all I can hear is the actor reading a script, then it's a fail performance.
Reading this just a few days after hearing they hired Chris Pratt to play Mario in the new animated movie.
Suzanne PleshETTE (not 'ettay') gave an example of superb voice acting. Ever adorable in film & TV roles for decades, she portrayed Zira stunningly against type - grounded in her low, 'smoky' natural voice.
@@LadyDecember dose ot even work? Like do 40 year old with no kids really pay to see Alvin and the Chipmunks cause Christia Applegate is a chipette? And her voice is pitched up so much that it may as well be your aunt Valerie doing it
The way Simba was overprotective of Kiara was very understandable considering everything that he went through when he was a cub.
And especially considering the fact that, as Nala pointed out, half of that was stuff he did to himself.
@@wolfskinchanger I loved that nala put him in his place like that that was just perfect lol
Exactly. He'd rather not have his daughter experience the horrors he went through.
@@victorhale All the reason is what makes it such a good scene.
@@wolfskinchanger The Elephant Graveyard was actually a plot created by Scar. Scar knew Simba wanted to prove he was brave so he made up a lie about only the bravest lions being aloud to go to Elephant Graveyard. It was because of Scar that Simba learned about the elephant graveyard.
The original script apparently called for much darker moments. As Nuka was dying, he was originally going to say to Zira something like “at least I finally got your attention.” And Zira was meant to deliberately let go of the cliff and fall to her death. Yeah, there was going to be a suicide in a Disney movie.
You can still see some of her original death in the film as whenever you see her falling towards the water she is smiling
She even says “No....Never” right before she lets go
I remember Zira saying ‘no, never’ in the VHS copy I had. But they did a weird moment where she said that, tried to grab a hold then lost her grip. Confused me as a kid, but I guess that was their original way of having their cake and eating it too.
@@jadenbird5883 I thought that was her swatting Kiara's paw away. Like, Zira knew she was about to die and wanted to at least hurt Kira before she did.
Put it in the Disney confirmed remake for Lion King 2.
I disagree that Zira giving Kovu his scar, thus making him look more like Scar, has no significance though. Throughout the movie, we see Kovu struggling with the idea of following in Scar's footsteps ("Maybe there's a darkness inside of me, too") and this starts coming to a head when Nuka dies. When Kovu says he wants nothing more to do with Scar, Zira even says "You cannot escape it [...] You killed your own brother!" because Nuka dying by Kovu's actions parallels Scar's killing of Mufasa. In Kovu's eyes, Nuka's death has increased his likeness to Scar, and his new scar symbolizes their similarities.
Essentially he was forced to resemble someone he didn't want to be. Though I have to wonder if this was leftover from a draft where Scar was his father.
Not to mention, Kovu looks at his reflection, sees it turn into Scar, and is horrified.
The funny thing is that Nuka also has parallels to Scar. He was the older brother who wasn't loved as much as their younger brother so they tried to do everything to change it no matter what. The difference is just that while Scar was clever and killed Mufasa, Nuka chases Simba to prove his skills to his mother, not his brother.
@@redpanda6497 , Scar was younger than Mufasa.
@@jordancampbell8597 He was actually older! In the beginning of the first movie he says "I was first in line! That is, until that little hairball (Mufasa) came around." Implying that he was born before Mufasa.
I feel like "My lullaby" gets overlooked too often. I say it's right up there with the classics.
My sister LOVES that song. She knows the whole thing
Partially written by Joss Whedon!
I CAN HEAR THE CHEERING
PAYBACK TIME IS NEARING
AND THEN OUR FLAG WILL FLY
AGAINST THE BLOOD RED SKY
*THAT'S MY LULLAAAAAABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY*
@@aitipsea3909 I used to think the line was "that's my little boy"
@@melaniemagolan2241 oof
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After all he did praise Schumacher for “Lost Boys” & Disney’s “Hunchback” both of these I also liked
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I love the fact that Timon and Pumba are still traumatized by Nala.
Haha!
well she did try to eat them XD
No they aren't.
Well not anymore they aren't.
I honestly don't think the jokes about Nala, Timon, and Pumbaa are funny anymore. 😤
Apparently: Kovu's brother is actually Scar's son, who Scar ignored. Their mother had a second, stronger son with a different lion and *she* decided he would follow in Scar's paw prints.
I always thought Kovu was adopted for some reason...
@@CrazyAlienLady051 He was. The original commenter's right about Nuka being Scar's son, but Kovu isn't blood-related to any of them.
I agree scar has kids
Actually Nuka wasn’t Scars son, he never had one or a mate.
Nope, none of them are actually related to Scar
Zira: Who made you an outsider?
Scared Kovu: Simba..
Zira: Who killed Scar?
Scared Kovu: Simba..
Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?
Kovu: Simba..
:| What?
Underrated xD
This. This is perfection
"YOU HAVE FAILED THE TEST"
*Kovu is then sold to mister Krabs for Krabby patty meat*
Well this is perfect🤣
Zira: Hotel?
Kovu: Trivago.
Zira thinks Simba killed Scar, but it was his hyena former minions who did it. She never even knew about them.
I mean he had a hand in it he's the one that yeeted him off the rock
@@randomperson-ko1fr Simba DID give Scar the option to banish himself. But no, Scar wanted to fight instead. Yeeting deserved.
@@BWMagus In the case of most villains, no.
Where *are* they, anyway?
@@pkmntrainermark8881 Good question.
From IMDB:
Simba's mother, Sarabi, makes no appearance in the entire film. This was likely intentional and done out of respect for Madge Sinclair, who passed away one year after the release of The Lion King (1994).
Yeah but they don't even mention her in the movie LOL
They did indeed leave her out after Madge Sinclair died shortly after the OG movie was completed. I think it was a nice show of respect for her
God rest her soul 🙏🏽
Back in the days where Disney was respectfull
Well that makes sense because Sarabi was older at the end of the first one, and it never seemed odd that she would have passed on between films. (Though the only Disney sequel that is actually canon to its original is Rescuers Down Under. Seriously, THE others are all strictly fanfic movies.)
The original version had Zira willingly let go of the cliff. They decided suicide was too dark.
Rightfuly so!
They should've kept it🤷🏾♀️
@@w.centerprisesbluestar8603 Wrong.
Disney removing a scene cuz it was "too dark"?
*Uhh bullshit, BULLSHIT*
I'm pretty sure she willing let go in the movie, didn't she... I know she definitely was smiling on the way down
cant believe there was no mention of the "we'll start a pride all our own" moment lol
When did they say that line?
@@granalmirantethrawn2972 When Kiara and Kovu reunite, a few moments after they look at their reflections in the water and Kovu says _"We are one"_
Yep I noticed that too that I didn't notice as a kid, he basically said "let's do it" lmfao 🤣
Surprised he didn't mention the "You will NEVER be Mufasa!" line.
Yeah, that line as always pissed me off. Given the trauma and guilt Simba still feels over Mufasa's death, that line is extremely cruel for Kiara to say. What Simba did in that moment was fully justified given what happened to him.
@@PlanetZoidstar It's not meant as an insult, its to remind Simba to be his own person rather than try to be Mufasa 2.0, just like he wants her to become Mufasa 3.0 by "following the footsteps"
Exactly and how when Kiara says "what if I don't want to be Queen?"
Simba says that's like saying you don't want to be a lion. Kiara has all the right to choose who she wants to be
@@BENJAMOSAURUS Sheesh, that's exactly how I interpreted it.
@@PlanetZoidstar I don't think it wasn't supposed to be an insult you have to think about it, Simba is trying to be like his father instead of being himself
In the original scene where Zira dies, she actually outright *refuses* Kiara’s help & lets go of her own will, because she refuses to accept help from the daughter of the one who killed Scar...which is pretty dark for a Disney movie. 😳
Edit: since this got so many likes, here’s a link to a fan-animated version of the original scene (which looks pretty damn good for a fan animation!) Link: ruclips.net/video/cLYHgNEqp2o/видео.html
I think there was another deleted scene where Nuka said "so I finally got your attention" to Zira before he died . Some dark stuff.
That's how I remember it going
That's how Admiral Zhao died in a 2000s Nickelodeon show.
@Charmiskit no, they had to change it because a character committing suicide (and *not* for heroic purposes, like Sitka in Brother Bear) is too dark for Disney.
@@kimifw58 dude its called avatar the last airbender
Just the fact they put shadows AND highlights on the characters shows you how much work they put into this.
I wish they kept the original villain death.
Kiara: Zira, give me your paw. I'll help you.
Zira: No, never. *Let's go*
Me too; Zira was vengeful, wouldn't let go of her hate, and had an obsession with Scar. Her committing suicide because she didn't want to submit to the enemy makes more sense to me🤷🏾♀️
Well, we do see her smiling as she's falling into the water. So it's still implied that she is committing suicide
When you simped so hard that you wanna go out the same way
the kept in that terrifying smile
Technically she’s still refusing help, but she really should’ve taken the offer, cause she couldn’t have held on forever…
In the original scene of Ziras death, she actually refuses Kiaras help and commits suicide by letting go. This was edited but in the current version she is still smiling as she falls into the water.
Dylan Rivera There was also Nuka's death where he was going to say "Well...at least I'd finally got your attention, didn't I? Didn't I?". This was scrapped because the writers thought it would give kids the wrong ideas and hurt themselves to get attention.
Thank god I still have the VHS tape with the original scenes.
For some reason I remember these recently deleted scenes, but simultaneously also the cuts shown in this review...is this Schrodinger's Mandela or did the CD I watched have magic rng?
im pretty sure i watched the orginal vhs because i remember both of these scenes vividly lmao
@@moonlobotomy9061 I’m 30 I of course watched it
"My soul belongs to Yubaba."
I'm glad I'm not the only one who knew that trivia since Spirited Away came out.
I just found out about that with this video, and MY MIND IS FUCKING BLOWN!!!!
Oh so that's where that line came from
I really want to rewatch it now
One thing I would have liked is if Simba still had some of his quirks from the jungle. Like sneaking in bugs every once in a while or retaining his love of swimming. Maybe even teaching it to Kiara and having Nala groan at it.
So Scar died by fire while Zira died by water...I feel like there's a message somewhere 🤔
(Scar actually died from being chewed to death by hyenas, but I see your point)
Freddy vs Jason
Freddy vs Jason
Jason vs Freddy ( see I put Freddy first and Jason second hahahahaha )
Jeddy VS Frason
People, He Lives in You is NOT originally from this movie! It was already in the musical before this movie came out and it was originally released in 1995, on a great album inspired by “The Lion King” called “The Rhythm of the Pride Lands”, with amazing work by Hans Zimmer and Lebo M. If you’re saying this song stands out, well... it’s because it was made by the same people that worked on the original Lion King and they didn’t had anything to do with the rest of the songs in the sequel.
Hmm. Well, that adds up.
Well, thanks to this movie this song got to be translated in as many languages as the original.
Yes! I love that album! One of my faves!
That song is awesome and the only reason I knew it wasn't from LK2 was because for my middle school's spring show, we did Lion King and included that song. My teacher explained that it was from the musical.
Well, in that case... The critic could make a new edition of "Top 11 Fucks up" XD
Kovu was every girl's first goth boyfriend.
And every Dragonborn's first Nord courier.
And a lot of kids “furry awakening” 😅
My interpretation is that Disney is promoting interracial relationships.
@@nahor88 That dart almost hit the racism bullseye. Just... almost. Though, it's clearly not racist, and I have to agree in a miniscule way.
@@kris_creations1338 No that was Nala with do me eyes.
“Once he has Simba alone...” “He’ll do his gardening?” 😂
S E E D P L A N T I N G 😭💀
"I don't want you talking with him .. IIIIIII want to talk with him" 😂😂😂
It sounds wrong but it's hilarious The Lion Sleeps Tonight that got me laughing so bad
@Zinta Foxana & The Painted Shadows I wouldn't wanna date father and daughter
@@cristalbutler626 lol! His face at that part made it funnier!
14:21 The lion sleeps tonight. Oh yeah! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's called Simba's *pride* for a reason ;)
This movie had some underrated musical gems 😂
That's my lullaby.
Yeah, it's one of the better sequals. My favorite gem in the movie was the song "he lives in you"
Upendi for the win. Fight me.
Very true
I still have "Not One of Us" in my music playlist.
“You will NEVER be Mufasa!”
Kinda wish he talked about that line.
Such a good line.
That line is so great
The movie had a lot of great scenes in it
Very impactful line
Can't wait to see them in the confirmed Lion King 2 (please don't fuck up a 2nd time)
Watching this movie now as an adult, I only now realize how potent it is when in the height of her anguish, Kiara tells Simba, "you will NEVER be Mufasa!"
Both Kiara and Simba have felt that pressure and she finally throws such a strong line at him. I wish that would've gone somewhere because it was a hell of a statement.
"My mother taught me this look that confused generations of boys~"
.......
.........
He's not wrong.
Fridge Brillance:
Simba's sudden overprotectiveness and mistrust of Kovu makes him look like a total douche at first, as many fans have pointed out over the years. *But* *it* *makes* *more* *sense* *for* *him* *than* *you* *might* *think.* If you look into the medical symptoms of post traumatic stress disorder, Simba fits the bill perfectly for a lot of them. Firstly, we see that he relives a traumatic event (Mufasa's death) through the dream sequence where Scar morphs into Kovu. He has prejudicial beliefs about Kovu and the Outsiders because of their connection to Scar. Simba is clearly psychologically distressed, he's anxious about Kiara's safety, and he assumes Kovu is up to no good because he's an outsider (plus the physical resemblance to Scar, reminding him of the trauma even further); the list goes on. This is classic PTSD here, and it's more than fair to assume Simba has it. Keep in mind: he watched his father get trampled to death, had his own uncle tell him it was directly his fault and then was forced to run away from home all while he was still just a cub. It's no wonder Simba was such an emotional wreck here.
-Similarly, provided the Outlanders were initially undeserving of banishment beyond loving Scar, Simba may have banished them because he was projecting his hatred of Scar onto them.
-Not to mention, he is a king now. Weary is the head that has a crown resting on it. Simba has to maintain an enormous kingdom while wrestling with his implied PTSD, and it is known that stress can easily aggravate psychological trauma, especially trauma gained in childhood. When you consider all the trauma Simba went through, along with his PTSD, it really isn't a surprise he spends most of the movie in angry fits or needlessly pessimistic.
This 👏👏👏
That’s a wonderful way to see it that my kid brain didn’t think of
That's some After Ever After shit
It's a good read on Simba's behaviour throughout the movie, though at the same time Simba's prejudice towards the Outlanders is fully justified. They're basically a murderous cult who have been raised to hate Simba and want to kill him and take his throne. So while his treatment of Kovu is harsh, throughout most of the movie Simba is never given a good reason to trust any of the Outlanders. And the moment he puts his trust in Kovu he almost get killed for it.
What can be said is this.
I Love The Song After”he Isn’t 1 of us”,It’s Just so Sweet,so Romantic
They got the cast from the Broadway show to sing it.
Its love will always find a way
If you want to listen to it later
This movie has overall a really solid soundtrack though "Not one of us" will always be my favorite
@@dingousoop64 Cool
This is still the most tolerable Disney direct to DVD sequel.
It's also one of the few Disney sequels that felt they were actually trying. Though this movie managed to stick the landing for the most part.
What about King of Thieves, Return to Neverland, and Rescuers Down Under?
All were regarded as some of the best.
@@RB01.10 Return to Neverland and Rescuers Down Under weren't direct-to-video.
Cinderella 3 would disagree.
Jesus ikr
This is a solid flick. Pretty good animation for a direct to DVD flick, catchy songs, decent characters, good story, and it’s got Neve Campbell.
It’s good.
"Three horns never play with sequel bait."
Why do I get this reference, it makes me feel old!
Ah, The Land Before Time.
Love it.
Serra is memorable
I got that reference and I didn't even watch that whole movie XD
@@abthedragon4921 You should. It's one of Don Bluth's best movies.
I get that reference. Yup yup yup
Every time he says "Kofu" instead of "Kovu" a piece of me dies.
Yeah, right?
Kovu Tofu
I scrolled down to the comments just to see if anyone else noticed this
yes
"It's pretty much Disney World in the middle of Florida"
"Every sixty seconds in Africa, a minute passes"
The fire is hot
"People die when they are killed."
When you pee, you piss
Ice is cold.
This floor is made from floor
Fun fact: Ryan O'Donohue, the kid who played young Kovu, grew up to become the "Dance, water, dance!" guy from Kingdom Hearts.
Interesting I’m surprised it’s not a story arc somehow for that confusing game
@@nicholasjuliano2839 It's not so confusing if you know where to look. And take it one game at a time, instead of all at once.
He played Demyx!? That's awesome!
Interesting fact about the death of Nuka: his last words were originally going to be “well, I finally got your attention, didn’t I? Didn’t I?” You can find it pretty easily by searching “lion king 2 deleted scenes nuka death”
Interesting fact about Zira’s death: you may notice that Zira appears to be smiling as she falls to her death. There’s a reason behind this. Zira was originally going to look at the water below, smile, look back up at Kiara, say “No. Never.”, and willingly let go of the side of the cliff and basically kill herself.
Wow, that's brutal
@@Artsia though both scenes weren’t completely animated, they were fully voice acted
Those should've been kept in.
@@stephenwells6434 even when I was a little kid, I looked at Zira as she fell into the water and wondered why she was smiling
@@stephenwells6434 these are completely legit, though. You can find them in their early stages of animation really easily on RUclips.
Ah yes, The Lion King 2: One of Disney's *BEST* Sequels
Sadly that's true
One of Disney's ONLY best sequel.
@I Love Halloween I said it I watched it and it wasn’t bad it was actually good and it didn’t feel like a rehash
You’ve seen Rescuers Down Under I hope
@@noahroangoldwing Oh my god that was amazing
"This is our first time meeting in this but DIE!"
Nostalgia Critic always make things that seem irrelevant seem hilarious!
6:49
Kovu: technically, hyenas did.
Zira: ......
Zira would probably retort: "And why do you think the hyenas are conspicuously absent from this sequel?"
Regardless of the film itself, several actors are impossible for fans to not associate with their characters:
-Neve Campbell's performance as Kiara is widely liked due to the fact that Neve makes Kiara an incredibly believable character, along with the fact that it is a break from horror movies.
-Jason Marsden's performance as Kovu is just as well liked for the fact he portrays Kovu as a deeply torn and guilt ridden lion torn between his family, and his love.
-Suzanne Pleshette as Zira is widely acknowledged as one of the most iconic voices of the film, for portraying a violent sociopath whose barely calm tone hides the fact that her rage is barely restrained.
The performances are good.
She's such a great villain
Yeah I always love hearing their voices in other movies.
Fun fact kovu and ziras voice actors were both in spirited away
@@AndreNitroX There's actually a joke about that in the review! NC says as Kovu "My soul belongs to Yubaba!" and the following bit talks about how nice it is for the two of them to be in another movie together XD
Another fun fact: Kovu is also Max from A Goofy Movie.
I legit busted out laughing at the "I want to talk to him" *porn music plays*
No lion sleeps tonight
They didn't call it 'Simba's Pride' for nothing!
Same here
@@amonyaesmith2867 *Oh Yeah~*
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought this movie was halfway decent, lmao. The "Us! Them! Look at them. They are us!" and "Fire is a killer. Sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before, if given the chance." moments genuinely make me tear up.
this movie is often underrated and I'm grateful to the internet for bringing it back to some importance with memes
Yup! I only found it because of an AMV in 2007...
Way to go, emo phase! X3
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Even a cup of wilkins coffee?
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BANG
DID YOU SAY
W I L K I N S?
(nervous sweating) ye-ye-yes of course
Wilkins coffee? No, I prefer my man Pända cheese instead. Have you met him?
🐼: Just you know why...
Timon: "Alright let's see. Uh, "Gee Simba! The good news is, we found your daughter. The bad news is, we dropped the warthog on her. Is there a problem with that?"
“Pumbaa! Let me define...BABYSITTING!”
@OMG These chocodiles definitely not satisfying!
How many of you wanted Kovu to say “You merely adopted the hunt. I was born with it, molded by it.”?
I don't think that Kovu's line "We Are One" is misplaced. When Kiara seems confused that's probably because she knows that she's heard that line before, but doesn't initially remember that her dad sung that to her when she was younger. What Kovu is referring to when he sees their reflection is that "We Are One" meaning their prides belong together. I like how "We Are One" is introduced as a song, has a couple reprises, and is a recurring thematic line said by Kovu in this scene, Kiara when Kiara and Kovu stop the feud between the two prides, and finally at the very end when Mufasa as a spirit tells Simba "Well done my son. We Are One."
The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride and Aladdin and the King of Thieves were 90’s perfection. The latter film deserves its day in the sun with a Nostalgia Critic episode.
Someday
I felt King of Thieves borrowed too much from The Last Crusade. It was a satisfying finale to the Aladdin franchise though.
those are my picks for the best two disney home video sequels. I think this is the number one though.
I used to watch the heck out of King of Thieves. It's a really solid adventure movie. The songs were catchy, too.
@@DeFactoLeader I drove my mom nuts with KoT, lol.
I'm legitimately dissapointed that you COMPLETELY ignored the most hard-hitting line in this movie:
"You will never be Mufasa!"
Poignant for the characters involved, but you could have at LEAST stooped to making a joke regarding the remake!! I mean, come on!
I foudn it to be the least hitting line. Trying to be a role model is a terrible idea.
Omg I thot I was the only 1 who remembered that line!!😳
Shockingly Kingdom Hearts II had to hammer that point home onto SImba a bit better then even this film did
I'd have taken that as a compliment, considering Mufasa was a xenophobic tyrant and tried to justify that with his nonsensical "circle of life" propaganda. Scar wasn't a perfect king, but at least he never turned his back on the Pridelands even during a drought and at least he was fair to all creatures.
@@vetarlittorf1807 wtf are you talking about?
"He Lives In You" is my favorite thing related to this film
That song slaps hard.
The reprised version they added to the musical as well, isn't bad either.
Give it to Jason Marsden, he takes any role seriously, I swear. He sounds the same in every character, but he still makes each character feel different. But he's mainly in my generation of shows, from Focus Pocus (Binx the Cat) to Young Justice (Bart Allen/Impulse/New Kid Flash and The Atom), currently. Voiced a good number of characters in Skyrim (Aerith being the most notable), Boone in Fallout: New Vegas, and Gear from one of my favorite shows, Static Shock.
He's also Chester in Fairly Odd Parents (not in the first season but at some point he takes over), he does miscellaneous voice work in Kids Next Door, and a lot of other cartoons of that era. And of course, Haku in Spirited Away.
Jason Marsden is awesome.
I forgot how Prince Zuko they make Kovu in this movie. This whole movie is basically a war between the Fire Nation and Water Tribe
Technically speaking wouldn't it be the other way around?
@@astrowolvez I remember when watching ATLA for the first time, I often saw a lot of similarities between Zuko and Kovu:
- They have a scar on their left eye that was given to them by their parent (Ozai burning Zuko vs. Zira slashing Kovu)
- They both have experienced being exiled
- They want to escape the destiny that's placed upon them by someone else (Zuko capturing Aang vs. Kovu killing Simba) and become a better person towards the end after switching sides (Zuko joining Team Avatar vs. Kovu joining Simba's Pride)
- They have a psychotic/abusive parent that would go as far as harming their own children and use them for their desires
- Zuko and Kovu were never bad as little kids. They always had that good inside of them, but their parents ended up making them suffer for what they had to deal with when they got older
- They both get advice from whimsical old men (Iroh and Rafiki)
- These two have siblings (Azula and Nuka) who are psychotic pyromaniacs who hate their sibling and constantly crave their parents' attention
- They have a difficult time being trusted by one of the main characters that comes from the other side of where they're from (Katara and Zuko vs. Simba and Kovu)
- The characters that Zuko and Kovu are trying to be trusted by are dealing with a personal issue, which is the loss of one of their parents. Katara's mother was captured and murdered by the Fire Nation and Simba's father was murdered by Scar in the first film. Both Katara and Simba place their anger on Zuko and Kovu due to their relation of where the murderers come from as well as how their physical appearances reminds them of their enemies (“You’re the Fire Lord’s Son!” / "Kovu is one of them...Scar's heir...How can I accept him?")
- When they started gaining the trust from them after having a conversation, they ended up going back to mistrusting them due to feeling betrayed by them based off an attack that occurred later on.
- In the end, Zuko and Kovu are forgiven by Katara and Simba and they no longer have issues with them.
@Asher Copaken lol yeah basically. Just noticed some similarities
Instead Zuko doesn't get Katara in the end
When I was younger I always imagined Kovu being a lion version of Zuko
And it wasn't hard to imagine
"Not the antelope and the zebra, they were the swing animals!" 😂😂😂😂
...I don't get it.
Me neither
5:47 - 6:01 Simba: "You don't wanna go down this road, Kiara. DeviantArt has ruined our innocence forever.
17:00 One moment in cinematic history that started whole "Nala had Vitani with Scar and abandoned her' theory. XD
Why does Zira’s head work with Doug’s body?
Inb4 confusing fanart
That almost terrified me first time I saw it.
Skyrogue19 I know! I laughed so hard at that thumbnail! 🤣
I know
You mean like my body?
When you’re old enough to understand the “three-horns never play with...” joke
Yep Yep Yep
It was lost to the younger generation in the great earth shake... 😂😂😂
@@l1nus0nl1neproductions9 yep yep yep yep yep
I don’t get it? LOL
I know it’s from Land Before Time though.
I hope you all made it to the great valley
I swear you are saying "Ko-fu" rather than "Ko-vu", lmao.
i always thought his name was kobu
@@raideranimator6091 In Japanese it is. Because the V becomes a B.
I hear it all the time and I am bugged by it xD
Glad I’m not the only one who heard him say that. 🤣
Kung-vu.
Lion King 2 is underrated!! “He Lives in You” gives me chills.
I’m pretty sure Kovu's older brother, Nuka, that died in the ambush was actually Scar's biological son, while Kovu was from a different father.
Yes this has been confirmed. It's why Nuka is so jealous of Kovu being the chosen heir to Scars throne.
@@Lycan_Jedi No, it hasn't. Nuka's jealous because he's the oldest of Zira's children.
The director of "Simba's Pride" said Zira was not Scar's mate so none of her cubs are Scar's. You can find the comment on The Lion King Wiki.
Lycan_Jedi is right. When Nuka first shows up on screen, he literally says, "he's not even his son. He just took him in."
That may not be the exact line, but it's more or less what he says.
Scar would be so disappointed
I still think they should have kept Nuka's last line in the movie about getting attention from Zira
Nah, cuz it would've influenced kids to harm themselves for their parents' attention.
@@BleedingGrafitti If kids could be influenced by something like that then their parents suck at parenting
@@BleedingGrafitti Yeah I'm tired of darker moments being left out of Disney films.
I think the saddest part about Nuka's death was the cut part of it, right after he says "I tried" he follows it up with "At least I finally got your attention" you can actually find that cut footage as an animated storyboard on youtube if you look hard enough
1:45 I love how he blocked Belle’s Magical World out of his mind.
WHY have I never realized Kovu's voice actor is the same as Haku's?! I... I... I AM NOT WORTHY TO CALL MYSELF A GHIBLI FAN!
Are we sure Nuka's father is Scar and not Ed the hyena?
LOL 😂
Oh god
We will soon find out on the Murray show with Timon as Murray.
@@barbiquearea *Maury
That actually makes sense, as hyenas are more closely related to cats than to dogs.
This movie made child me feel things I probably wasn’t supposed to feel.
"Kiara, I don't want you talking. I want to talk with him."
*I think I see what you mean*
"Forgive me"
"Ill see what i can do"
"Hey whered ya hear that?"
"I stole your script..."
Lion King II: Simba's Pride
With memorable characters such as Simba, Nala, Kiara, and Kofu.
Half of those characters are in the first film
thank you for bringing attention to the fact that doug called kovu kofu... i was hoping someone else caught that.
@@nattattacks4919 He's the OTHER lion meat.
Ah yeah, my favorite character is _Kofu._
The real question is does SIMBA drink Wilkins coffee??
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!
Lol
If he doesn't... *Gets electric chair ready*
Some learn, some don't.
“Would you like a drink of Wilkins coffee?” ☕️
The Lion King 2 Simba’s Pride is my number 1 favorite straight to video Disney sequel. I’m so damn glad it has a cult following nowadays cause this is an underrated sequel.
It is pretty solid for a straight to video sequel
Lion King 2 is 25 years old!
Im so happy this is still one of Disney's better sequels in their long line of continuing stories.
Yes it still holds up so freaking well, I have such vivid memories.
The title refers to not only the pride of lions lead by Simba but his inability to be just like his father without any worries.
The animation is very solid, the songs aren't perfect but they are catchy enough and hummable with We Are One being the most memorable you'll be humming it for weeks, I appreciate the filmmakers moving the story forward, too.
Where as the first film was an animalized version of Hamlet by Shakespeare this one does that same thing being Romeo & Juliet.
I also admire Simba himself still has a lot to learn even with his father absent learning to be a true king following his own path.
The score is very solid too retaining much of that African cultural influence.
Some things are repeated yes and it's a bit formulaic but it still stands out on its own moving the story forward with Simba’s daughter.
Zira is a good villain. And the movie feels like a proper closing chapter given that Lion Guard tv show was in the middle expanding the mythos. The voice actors do give decent performances and take this seriously which is refreshing for a sequel. I actually didn’t know this is also one of the highest selling DVDs ever.
We can always follow our own path, sometimes what's left behind can grow better than the generation before if given the chance, even if we are separated by our conflicting beliefs we are one we shouldn't see any differences, we have to put the past behind us
'Lion King 2' is better than it has any right to be and that's a relief since most sequels especially those of direct-to-video fail hard.
Read that they originally planned for Zira to choose death over getting saved, choosing to let go off the cliff with no scream. Unlike the final cut of the movie
There's an animatic of the original scene floating around RUclips.
In a way, she did commit suicide, by refusing Kiara's help.
She may not have fell on purpose, but by refusing Kiara's help, she basically implied "I'd rather die than accept help from you."
honestly even back when I was a kid watching this movie on VHS I interpretted it as her purposely killing herself, so they didn't do a very good job of hiding that fact.
@@dr.wyverstone8418 Plus, she was smiling as she fell to her death.
the original idea was for her to refuse help, and let herself go while laughing.
which is why she's smilling when she falls. they didn't change that
Now THIS is a Disney sequel. There are quite sad and emotional moments, the characters are developed brilliantly, Simba may have been a bit ooc but he was only trying to protect his daughter, and the music oh my God, the music is just AMAZING
“Nuka is dead because of you....you’ve killed your own brother!” Which if true would ironically have made him more like scar! Lol
My sister and I didn't have the original Lion King on VHS, but we did have the sequel. I'm happy to see this movie getting some attention, because for me Simba's Pride holds that special place in my heart that the first movie does for most others.
Why is it that *this* sequel gets better animation, but the Beauty and The Beast sequel looked like it was drawn on a paper bag?
TLK is held to a much higher standard than Beauty and the Beast because it’s so popular
Budget I'm guessing.
IKR?
And I kind of liked the Christmas special!
Tim Curry as Forte was by far the highlight though. He always nails the creepy roles.
Ahem... B&tB has a sequel?
@@haillobster7154 Well, kind of.
It's "The Enchanted Christmas" from 1997.
The beginning and end take place after the first film where everyone becomes human again.
But the middle was about before they turned back.
Even if you don’t like the movie, He Lives in You is a great song. It even made it into the Broadway show.
You have it backwards. The sequel used it from the musical and it was originally from “The Rhythm of the Pridelands” cd released in 1995...
Actually, He Lives in You made it into Lion King 2. It was in the Broadway show first
No is not, the Tallman, Phantasm II
Honestly, the movie had a few good songs. I always enjoy hearing Rafiki singing.
@@pony7653 I was implying that the song was good enough to be featured in the show, not that the film’s success lead to that.
Am I the only one that hears Critic saying "KOFU or TOFU" and not KOVU?
Thank you. Like.... where is he getting the "F" sound from?
yeah and because he kept repeating it over and over again I actually believed was an intended joke, but now I'm not sure! gotta add this to the list if he ever do another "Top 11 F*CK Ups"
@@GunmanJag actually watch those scenes with Close Caption, it says KOFU, WTF XD
How about him calling them a pack of lions instead of pride?
@@JackalopeBunny that too
The first Lion King movie I saw as a kid. It’ll hold a special place in my heart.
How could he have been Scar's choice when he looks like he is the same age as Kiara, meaning he would've been born after Scar died? Or am I just over thinking this?
I guess scar's spirit(if you wanna go by lion guard...)spoke to Zira and saw kovu
it's possible that this takes place only a few months after the first movie, and that kovu is only a few months older
There’s like a huge lion king fandom/universe that has many theories, but a lot of people think Kovu showed up as a baby baby days before Scar was killed, so he’s a like 6 months to a year older.
To be fair Zera.. and many of those other Lion's never existed in the original movie so it's a soft-retcon.
But in the original story (cannon one)
Zera and her followers were banished, because they were Scar worshippers.
Basically because Scar had chosen Kovu, Zera demanded that her son should be the next king.
Simba of course refused and a fight broke out, resulting in Zera's defeat and she was banished along-side her followers.
Over-all the banished Lions are a kind of shoe-horned in element that kind of broke the continuity of the show.
meanwhile.. years later Lion-guard.. and broke everything...
The TV series has expanded their magical rules considerably, and within those, there is a possibility of Zira making the effort to receive some word from the other side of who Scar wants his heir to be. But frankly, you don't need them, because even the canon at the time allows the possibility of passed kings giving advice to the living. They never said they had to be good kings to do that.
Why do I feel like all these comments are filled with people who study lion king like an art?
Because we indeed do. :P
Its okay to like the lore of something.
Why not?
=)
Try it sometime. Watch your childhood film as an adult, study the artwork, the culture, the influences. Find some themes that went over your head as a child. Those Disney films were made by adults that secretely wanted Academy Awards and the respect of their movie-making peers and not just to occupy children for over an hour. Of course this is something to be done with less simplistic flicks as there is little depth in Care Bears. There are a tons of "Making of" documentaries to help you re-evaluate those films. My favorite is "Waking up the Sleeping Beauty" in which we see epic corporate drama, back-stabbing and intrigues behind the Disney Reneissance.
@@mikshinee87 You may be overthinking your childhood a bit
Something that was interesting in this movie was how it subtly discussed what happened to conquered people who were pushed to the outskirts of society and subjugated. Honestly this is something that happens often in real life, and it shows how this doesn’t usually end conflict but instead causes more. Unlike certain Disney remakes that try to approach social issues *cough*, this one didn’t drill it into ur skull. It just shows how conflict can build more conflict.
17:35
Notice her face looking hapoy even though falling to her demise?
Another deleted dialogue/scene thats in the storyboards:
Kiara offers Zira her paw, begging her to grab on for safety.
One look back to see the swirling river behind her, then she turns, looks kiara in the eyes, and whispers with a dark commitment:
"No.
Never."
Then lets go, willing to fall to her death than accept aid from a sworn enemy.
Simba’s son’s cartoon series makes this movie more confusing.
Not really. The cartoon takes place in that long time jump in the middle of this movie
@@okamibattleblock1301 And the show has major plot holes if its supposed to be canon
@@Stigma-ba115 Yeah. When you compare The Lion Guard continuity to the original Lion King movies 1 and 2, it really doesn't work. Mainly the callbacks, but everything else is surprising understandable
@@animalpawpony3547 exactly. I like the Lion King series and gave that pilot movie a chance for Lion Guard...but as soon as Kiara showed up acting snooty and spoiled, I just facepalmed and noped out...IMMEDIATE character continuity error!!! Hell no. Only props I’ll give it is bringing back Kovu’s VA for any episodes/scenes Kovu shows up in.
@@kris_creations1338 Yeah and even that didn't work.
With The Lion Guard, it tried to explain things that happened in between movies 1 and 2. For example, why Zira and the others were banished to The Outlands.
But there are lots if problems if fans try considering it canon;
1. Kiara's personality turnaround personality as you mentioned, not to mention her annoying girly friends in the series. Ugh!
2. Zira and the others NEVER mention Kion, The Lion Guard, or The Roar. So when the episode "Lions of the Outlands" aired, it makes no sense how they would know about Kion being Simba's son, The Lion Guard, or The Roar when those things are completely absent from Simba's Pride. Granted, those things aren't needed for the movie, but aftering watching Simba's Pride and then seeing Lions of the Outlands, you can just tell the execution set up isn't that good since the characters somehow know about stuff that was never mentioned or explained in the movies. How the hell could they mess up?! Disney owns the movies! It wouldn't be that hard to watch them and get the continuity right!
3. In fact #2 makes a problem for Simba's Pride; if Zira wanted to be ruler, why not go after Kion first, then Simba? If Simba died, Kion would be next lion up for the position of king. Why not take out the little guy, then go for Simba. Heck, this was the problem Scar ran into and look at how THAT turned out when Simba returned? Terrible! He got burned and eaten by hyenas.
4. Although The Lion Guard is a clever concept, the fact that Simba and the others act like they somehow know all about the Guard, the Roar, and background of those story elements comes out of nowhere. It adds more to Scar and other characters, but the problem is the characters act like this has ALWAYS been the history of the Pride. And yet, that suggests this fictional world would already exist BEFORE the 1st Lion King.
Clever, except for one major detail - HHHOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW?!?!?!?! How is that possible?! Disney made The Lion King as a passion project on the side! They thought Pocahontas would be the big movie winner. But instead, it went to The Lion King. How on earth could The Pride Lands, The Guard, the Roar, the history of the lions, ect. exist if Disney was still coming up with ideas for the 1st movie, let alone not expecting it to be a film for the history books? IT MAKES NO SENSE! Clever, but it's super confusing.
5. On top of what I said in 4, the characters knowing the history of The Lion Guard and the Roar makes no sense because there's no clues in the movies that this was a part of the Pride's history. Just the fact that they make the characters ACT this way is mind boggling! There was no reason why the characters giving us this new info should have been treated as if it's a part of Prideland history. There is 0 evidence of the Guard/Roar foreshadowed or given to the audience in the first 2 movies. So how the hell do the characters we know and love somehow KNOW about The Lion Guard and the Roar, when nothing would suggest this?! It comes out of nowhere! How the hell did the people working on The Lion Guard MISS this?!
6. Although I like The Lion Guard, I honestly treat it as a set of side adventures in The Lion King universe. If you try to add it to the movie continuity, it's a mixed bag. Most of the time I ignore the confusing stuff and only pay attention tonwhat makes sense. When doing that, THEN it kinda fits with the continuity, but not perfectly. Still, I like it, but I can see why people have issues with it.
7. Kion and his Guard are nowhere in the movies. So how is it posdible Simba and Nala had a son?
Who the hell is "Kofu"? His name is Kovu!
He's always been REALLY bad with names.
You stole my line! Sometimes it also vaguely sounded like "Tofu", which is just hilarious...
Ehh, close enough.
I vote for this to get pinned
I was sure he was going to change it after confidently getting it wrong the first time lol
Therapist:
Nostalgia Lion isn't real, he can't hurt you
Nostalgia Lion:
I don't get it
@@antoniosalieri1048
Because it's not funny... and it was copied from another comment. 😝
I feel like there's such a limited audience that's actually aware this is a thing.
"Lions build dams?" Yes, they have special beaver contractors from Canada flown in to do the work.
Zira: "Who killed Scar"
Kovu: "Simb-"
Me: "Teeeeeechnically Simba just knocked Scar off Pride Rock, and THEN the Hyenas killed him..."
She doesn’t know that
@@AndreNitroX Or did she? LOL
I know she doesn't. But still fun to point the truth at to the events that occurred. 😄
@@Warner1929 She might, but then again, he can't possibly know, so he has to take her word for it.
@@Igorcastrochucre Exactly, I like to think that.♥︎
Right?
I thought the same thing, but Zira probably wouldn't have known that or she did, but lied to Kovu to condition him into hating Simba.
In my opinion this is the best direct-to-video Disney sequel, easily. I owned this film on VHS as a kid and loved it, funnily I watched it before seeing the first Lion King, I know that sounds bizarre. Didn't watch the first one until a few years later.
In the beginning of the upendi song they went from “friends” to friends with benefits real quick
5:07 fun fact, Nostalgia Critic: there is a rare mutation in female lionesses that gives them manes
Wait really? That’s actually pretty cool
Fun fact, the villain song in this movie My Lullaby is actually co-written by Joss Whedon. Yes, that Joss Whedon of Buffy, Titans A.E., Toy Story, The Avengers, Firefly, and the upcoming The Nevers TV show for HBO in 2021. Quite surprising huh? ^^
Such a good quote "judge me now for who I am, but not by something a didn't commit"
That got to Simba because it's exactly what happened to him during the first one. Until Scar revealed he killed Mufasa.