The Black Cauldron - Nostalgia Critic
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It's called the film that almost killed Disney, but how much of this animated black sheep is good and how much is not? The Nostalgia Critic takes a look at 1985's Black Cauldron.
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The Black Cauldron is a 1985 American animated adventure fantasy film produced by Walt Disney Feature Animation in association with Silver Screen Partners II and released by Walt Disney Pictures. The 25th Disney animated feature film, it is loosely based on the first two books in The Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander, a series of five novels that are, in turn, based on Welsh mythology.
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Where did Malcom go?
you should do a review RV with Robin Williams
where Malcolm go
Id probably have given Tamara just a couple more lines but all in all this really feels like the NC I know and love let’s keep up this momentum this is the minimum amount of sketches I expect in an NC episode good work
According to sources online, some of the deleted scenes involved:
Graphic violence
A man literally having his flesh and muscle disolved leaving a zombie skeleton
A much longer fight between Taran and the horned king
A half naked Eilonwy due to her dress being torn while hanging on a ledge.
This movie's dark, but it was meant to be darker
There should be an extended edition.
I guess it was too dark for colorful pg Disney.
That last one i would find hard to believe, but then again we also have the little mermaid getting away with that once Ariel turned human...
@@GarryDKing Maybe the difference is that while they both are children, Ariel is 16 while Ellowny is 12.
@@Moonlitwatersofaqua wait Ellowny is 12?
If he wanted to be specific, "swine" would be a better word to use than "pig".
Just call it something magical sounding like "the seer" or "the seance"
@@slevinchannel7589
I thought were talking about the pig
Or even just “the beast” make it sound super impersonal
It is even funnier in finnish: "possu"
I was not really bothered but "swine" would have been fine
Sounds like a D&D game whose players make it a trainwreck from beginning to end.
DM: "Okay, the region is menaced by the evil lich warlord, the Horned King, who is seeking the Black Cauldron to raise the army of darkness and make the land his own to rule. You're a humble pigkeeper tasked with protecting the future telling pig who can find the location of the Cauldron."
Taron: "Pigkeeper? I said I wanted to be a warrior!"
DM: "This is a game campaign, you can't start out as a warrior. You have to work your way up until you're strong enough to take on the boss. Your first quest is to escort and hide the pig. Your guardian sends you off with supplies and shows you the way to the forbidden forest..."
Taron: "I start swordfighting and doing cool warrior stuff"
DM: "You are a peasant with a staff!"
Taron: "Then I play pretend. For a hour."
DM (Grumbling): "Okay then...you busy yourself with daydreams for an hour, and when you come back to reality the pig is gone. The agents of the Horned King have pignapped her, but a furry creature offers to take you to safety where you'll find your other companions..."
Taron: "I storm the Horned King's fortress. On my own."
DM (Furiously rewrites the story): "Fine...you manage to sneak in and even snatch the pig away in your escape, but the army captures you again and throws you into the dungeon. There you meet up with your other companions, who have been captured as well. You may plan your escape now.
Elonwyn: "Hi, I'm a Princess"
DM: "Your character sheet didn't say that. You're a princess of what kingdom?"
Elonwyn: "Eh, i unno. Figured it would be cool to be the princess"
Pickles: "I'm the Bard."
Taron: "Cool, do you have any lore on this castle, or the Horned King, or whatever that can help us escape?"
Pickles: "Nope, I just tell jokes and make faces."
DM (Exhasperated): "Fine...you explore the castle and end up in the ancient king's grave. There you find an artifact holy sword that can move and attack on its own, making quick work of the henchmen on your heels. This is your chance to storm out of the gates"
Elonwyn: "I lean on the gate and tell Taron to do something"
Taron: "I stand there doing nothing"
DM: "Arrgh. Fine, the sword comes to life and opens the gate. Now that you're free, it's your chance to..."
Taron: "I trade the hags my magic swords for the Cauldron"
DM: "FINE! You have the cauldron now, and one of you needs to willingly give their life if they want to destroy it."
Taron: "Er...okay, let's just camp out here and do nothing about it"
DM: "Seriously? Fine, the army finally catches up to you and steals the Cauldron. The dead walk, the King's army is marching to conquer your country, and all is lost unless one of you sacrifices themselves..."
Taron: "The furry guy"
Pickles: "Furry guy"
Elonwyn: "Furry guy"
DM: "DAMMIT"
For someone who plays D&D religiously, *Y E S* this is EVERY SESSION with my haggle of tards I call my companions :)
Except our DM has some dignity and respect to let us do whatever we want and then punish us HEAVILY for it instead of just riding the shit wave lmao
I can hear the DM’s head explode from here. XD
Bitch, the bard is fleuder.
so accurate XD
Funnily enough, they actually statted out the Black Cauldron in an issue of _DRAGON Magazine…_
Fun fact, my dad saw this in theaters because he liked the book it was based on. He was unimpressed and I wouldn't see it for myself until I was 21.
you mean the book of three? yeah i read it its such a good read....unlike this
Frozen doesn't even try to like the books it's based on.
It's scary I don't like this film. It should of never been made for children
Yeah, as usual, the books are much better.
Has he read the book to you during your childhood?
Gurgi is Jar-Jar's voice crossed with Golum's mannerisms and proportions grafted onto an ewok.
Ah, the three best-known and best-loved pop culture characters.
Voiced by a drunk Donald Duck.
Luigicat11 😂😂😂
I'll take an entire trilogy on Jar Jar rather than see Gurgi for another minute. Jar Jar at least made me laugh 1 joke out of 10, Gorgi is consistently annoying throughout.
Makes sense knowing that Andy Serkis (the guy who played Golem) was inspired by Gurgi in this movie...... I'm not even kidding.
Ok, let me clear this mess up. The king from the intro is Arawn, he’s the original villain from the books, the Horned King was just one of his generals. This film is actually two books smashed together, “The Book of Three” and “The Black Cauldron”. One of the most important characters, Gwdion (basically King Arthur) is completely cut out. So is Arawn’s predecessor, Achren, yet another crucial character.. So basically, two books were smashed together, they cut out half the important characters. Arawn is replaced because horns. Yes, because Disney thought villains with horns were cooler, look it up.
R.I.P. Lloyd Alexander
I didn't know it was a book. Or three books. Or half of two separate books.
Is this a "the books were better" scenario? I have to say, I'm kinda interested.
@@Obstreperous_Octopus : It's a series of five novels (and a collection of short stories), only the first two were the source material. Although inasmuch as Arawn and the Cauldron-Born aren't defeated until the last book, I'd say that this movie is a mash of _three_ books. And the books are definitely better.
(By the way, it's ‘Gwydion’.)
Why does this sound like LotR?
@@JaniacTheHedgehog : Well, they're both high fantasy. Lloyd Alexander based his books on Welsh mythology, but he couldn't help but be influenced by Tolkien, who revitalized that whole genre. And while Tolkien mostly used Germanic mythology as his inspiration, he pulled in a lot of stuff from everywhere across Europe, including some Welsh stuff. Indeed, just as Alexander couldn't help but be influenced by Tolkien, Tolkien couldn't help but be influenced by the legends of King Arthur, which were originally Welsh. So it's all connected.
I'll stick up for Gurgi.
He's an obnoxious hairball with no social aptitude. He's also friendly and sociable but desperate for companionship and has little or no sense of self worth. When he finally found someone willing to tolerate him for a few days, he barely hesitates sacrificing himself to save them with no expectation that he'd be brought back, not for the least reason that he believed that he had no friends.
Seems pretty relatable to someone with depression and social anxiety.
Legit.
It’s the voice that annoys me, not his character. That voice is so pitched that it feels like my ears are gonna bleed.
@@griffh7747 Well, yeah. He's annoying. I said that. I was just giving my reason for not lumping him in with truly useless anti-characters like Jar Jar Binks. Can't bring myself to hate the little guy.
Fuck that thing
I am your 100th like. :)
If they're going to remake this, as some people are suggesting, they should really go back to the source material, The Chronicles of Prydain series, by Lloyd Alexander, an excellent Young Adult fantasy series. The Disney movie is a mish-mash of elements from the first two books, The Book of Three and The Black Cauldron. It explains a lot of things, like why Eilonwy is considered a princess. If the names seem odd, that's because the author mainly drew them from Welsh mythology and legend, which inspired much of the rest of the feel of the series.
Eh, GENUINLY thought the movie was better. Particularily the villain. (I mean, have you SEEN the OG art of The Horned King? and the other villains in the series aren't quite as good as the king either)
Pretty sure that's the plan.
I absolutely love the chronicles of Prydain! They are such great books! And Taran actually did something😂
To make good movies from good Books means keeping a balance between, what has to Be changed, and what Must not. They did a good Job in Lord of the Rings and a Bad one on the Hobbit ( though some scenes remained pretty awesome). To Change things is absolutely neccesary, it‘s all about keeping the spirit of the original in Every Adaptation alive, not holding on to every Little detail.
im gonna be honest i enjoyed this movie as a kid more than mulan or alladin. please dont murder me in my sleep.
Out of all the Disney movies that are being remade this is the one that really needs it.
Only if it’s animated, and not Lion King remake pretending to be live action.
I wholeheartedly agree!!! It's overdue!
EgotisticalGhost I think a live action adaptation that stuck to the source material could really work. Sadly, that probably wouldn’t be what we would get. Another studio could probably do it better.
And unfortunately that's the one we can be all pretty sure we aren't getting
No! No more remakes! For the love of all that is Disney, PLEASE no more remakes 😭😭😭
The horned king was an animatronic in one of Tokyo Disney’s attractions. It was ball-retractingly TERRIFYING.
At least that girgy wasn't one
Jack Mazeika ah, a fellow defunctlandien
Great
Isn't the Horned King some sort of Lich?
Just googled it and holy shit that's amazing.
The Black Cauldron: the Disney film that failed so hard it lost to the Care Bears
Nathaniel Foga ouch
Oof!
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
@@cadenmorris3680 That's what whoever made Care Bears told Disney. OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!
You know movie's bad when you compare it to Care bears
I think it would have made more sense for Taran to sacrifice himself it would have made his character come full circle and he would have actually become a hero like he wanted.
The names are Welsh: Eilonwy, Taran, Fflewddur Fflam.... The film was based on a book series called Chronicles of Prydain, which was loosely based on the Welsh myths and legends in the Mabinogion.
Mr. Flibble like the crow from Maleficent , Theova
I’m not familiar with the name Theova. Are you sure that’s correct? Also, Sleeping Beauty was a French story.
If I was to hazard a guess, the first element “theo-“ is either from Greek “theos” meaning “God,” or from proto-Germanic “theud” meaning “of the people.” Either way, not Welsh.
Mr. Flibble idk , I can’t spell any words
Funny detail is that in Spanish I remember the bard was just called Faust, so... It's hilarious for me of the translators being "damn this name is difficult, we're gonna call him Faust"
Is that book series good?
The funny thing is, you could even say "Treasure Planet" was darker. Like, I mean yeah it can be light, but it gets kind of dark when its the only disney movie where the CHARACTER'S FATHER JUST LEAVES. Like, not killed or just non existing, but just leaves. I know you did it on an old disney sember, but maybe give it a FULL review, its a childhood classic.
That movie was so relatable to me as a kid.
I loved that movie. It’s a good movie but I agree with Doug, if they’re gonna make it so fi they should’ve made it proper sci fi. But I’ve a soft spot for it cause I loved it growing up and the characters, story and animation is still good.
Also yes thank you. Looking darker doesn’t make it darker. Black Couldron has some dark themes, but never explores them properly.
In treasure planet despite its light hearted moments actually let’s the death of characters sink in, it truly shows piracy, not the comedic types that were in Peter Pan, and still for all kids in difference from Pirates. Also it includes a “twist” villain that works greatly. Cause John Silver builds a real and emotional connection to Jim and is legitametly likeable and when he betrays Jim it’s not out of nowhere. So I agree, Treasure Planet can be argued as being darker than the Black Couldron.
More emotional, yes.
Darker?
U uh.
More emotional, yes.
Darker?
U uh.
The Black Cauldron's fatal flaw is lack of conflict. We have a vague but workable goal for the villain. But no real goal for the heroes. Compare this with Fellowship of the Ring. Sauron wants the ring, to plunge the world into darkness. Frodo doesn't want his world plunged into darkness. So both take action to achieve their respective goals. Sauron sends the Nazgul. Frodo takes the ring to Bree, and onward to Rivendell and so on. In Cauldron, the Horned King wants the Cauldron. (It would help if we knew what he needed an undead army over the army he already has.) But what do our heroes want? To keep the pig alive? To stop this Army of Darkness? Good storytelling needs conflict.
I'd fix it this way. 1) The pig doesn't see the future. He can find anything. Maybe its a truffle hunting pig and that's how its power became know. The Horned King still wants the pig, but its more directly tied to his goals. 2) Make Princess Calla (I refuse to call El by her name because of my long standing feud with the Welsh language) the descendant of the Evil King. Princess or scullery maid doesn't matter. She is linked to the legacy of the cauldron. 3) Start the story with her in the dungeon and she engineers her own escape. In her escape, she comes across Cavin and Chaucer and they WORK together to escape. But Cavin is serious about rescuing the pig. It's only after they escape, that the Horned king makes himself known. He punishes the guards and sends his dragons after them.
Now you have a story. You have conflict, mystery, action in the escape. now you're good to go.
Sounds better
Actually Taran wanted to stop the Horned King in the beginning of the movie and was implied that the horned king has been around for a long time causing mayhem. Henwen was just a plot device to not only push Taran into that direction, but also to confirm the cauldron existent since the horned king had doubts about it "so it does exists!" When the horned king finally know the cauldron does exist, Taran wanted to destroy it to prevent the horned king from using it. The conflict for the hero was to stop the horned king from taking over the world by either not confirming the cauldron's existence or destroying the cauldron. Because as stated in the prologue, you can not only raise the army of dead, but also command the army to take over the world, this was shown how that was later in the film when the dead army seems invisible since it can turned living beings into dead skeletons (a scene that was cut out of the film). Also the horned king state this: "How long I have thirst to be a god among mortal men."
There's more to it than having a story, you also need to be executed well, while your idea may seem like a story it is not guaranteed to be executed well. There is also no significance to your Calla's character either. Since the horned kings knows the pig can find the cauldron, there is no need to keep her alive especially long enough for her to make an escape. A story not only need's conflict, but also, character interaction, character development, climax, exposition, beginning, middle, and end. Your idea only has ideas and a beginning that's it.
Rahsaan Footman they tried to squish a whole book series into a one hour movie. And named it after the second book when it was about the first book. It was an all around mess :’) A pretty mess but messy all the same
Better solution, simply make it like the incredible book series.
@@icecreamhero2375 To say it sounds better is a friggin' understatement tbh. It sounds like an ACTUAL high fantasy to me.
"They're very merrily getting away!" That's the only way I _want_ to get away.
The water hurting the Horned King implies he's a Lich, which can can hurt by water.
Man, this movie will always be a childhood favourite, but I really didn't notice how annoying Gurgi was when I was four.
Wasn’t the reason why Don Bluth left Disney was because his ideas were considered too dark and creepy?
Michael Plurad
No. Disney only rejected his idea to do an animated adaptation of ‘The Secret of NIMH’ before the idea was agreed at Metro Goldwyn Mayer.
Which is odd because his next film would be A Troll in Central Park. Weird.
TheNerdyBirdyShow
No. It was An American Tail (1986).
A Troll in Central Park was in 1994
Bluth left because Disney's Son-in-Law Ronald Miller was an idiot.
He left because he didn’t like where Disney was going leadership wise.
"Well nobody likes Black Cauldron. But, that doesn't mean you don't like Black Cauldron"
"What the hell does that mean?!?!" Honestly my favorite part! 😂😂
Holy cow! 524 likes! Thanks for all the likes!!
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It's based on a book called The cronicals of pydain
It was also tied to “Trick or Treat” so...
“How did he never get a Disney ride?”
Ohoho, poor naive Critic.
Not really for the Black Cauldron alone, Tokyo Disney used to have a haunted tour that used the Horned King very prominently. He’s basically the final boss that a little kid would be selected from the audience to fight.
I saw it on Defunctland, it was super awesome but unfortunately not around anymore. Now it’s a Disney Princess tour.
That's "The Horned King's Ride", not Talwim's ride.
Boltizar nooo
So................... Not only did he have the look of a Raid Boss....... HE WAS...... Technically a raid boss in the Japan park
Defunctland is awesome
There was also a castle show that included Maleficent to promote the release of this film.
Everyone in comments: Gorgi sounds like Gollum/jar jar
Me: Gorgi sounds like Stitch after smoking whole cigarett factory
But he does have some similar speech patterns.
and in the books he IS Gollum
He sounds like Jar Jar if he inhaled a whole big tank of helium.
You got me wheezing at 12 am
@@LadyOnikara And got covered in honey and hair like Doofenshmirtz at the end of that one episode of Phineas and Ferb (where Candace has a bad haircut and the two of them have to fix it before she has to attend a benefit).
I don't care what anyone says, the Black Cauldron is a classic.
*I'M A WARRIOR*
When they said that the only way to stop the caudron was for someone to be sacrificed to it, I immediately thought "throw the dog in there".
I agree, I love this film! A youtuber called Breadsword did a fantastic video on why it deserves to be seen as a Halloween classic.
This film is gold!!!!
@@dariuswatson6298 I actually watched that video!!!! Lol
It definitely had some really cool visuals, and the concept was interesting. It's one movie that would probably do well with a remake (in the right hands).
That toaster will haunt my dreams.
Annoying Orange looks to have gotten worse in the later years
It looks like it came straight from the Annoying Orange.
I think you mean NIGHTMARES!!!!!
That toaster is already haunting my dreams
That's why I played the Nightmare Face music
Fun fact: Disney is making a live action reboot of this film, only now they’re gonna follow the original book series.
I love this movie, but that might be interesting.
Damn. This will be the most hardcore Disney live action since pirates.
Your lying!
Oh god no
I'd rather they reanimate it but disney 2d theatrical animation is dead
"Pickles" is called Fflewddur Fflam, however the pronunciation of Fflewddur's name is wrong. "Dd" in Welsh is the same as "Ff", both produce the sound "fuh" so the characters pronunciation should be "Flewfur Flam".
Princess Eilonwy's name is a mix between "Eilon" which means fawn, and "wy" which means water. Also, according to the book's, Eilonwy's parents are dead, making her a queen and not a princess.
Taran in an earlier version of The Black Cauldron (film) was significantly more violent, using the sword to cut and kill many of the King's guards.
Gurgi exists because comic relief will forever be the darkest stain of cinema. The character in the book appeared more closer to a monkey and used weapons such as swords and bows.
I recently read the book
they did the characters so wrong
Actually "Dd" in Welsh is pronounced like "Th", like in the words That or Then. So it's pronounced Fflewthir Flam
All of that sounds fucking awesome and I want to beat Katsenburg with Gurgi for denying us anything closer to that than this.
With elonwys name what language are you using to translate the meaning of the name? Because 'wy' does not mean water in Welsh water in welsh is 'dŵr', 'Wy' is egg in Welsh
You clearly don't speak Welsh at all. "Eilon" doesn't mean "fawn"; it isn't a word at all; "wy" isn't a word either, and the word for water is "dŵr".
This movie had so much potential, Disney just poorly executed the story for Black Cauldron. The Horned King would’ve been a great villain if Disney didn’t cut so much screen time of the violent scenes.
I doubt the uncut version would have made it to Toon Disney and become a big part of my childhood.
That one frame with the pig's face at 15:30 still gets me XD
WorkInProgress yes it would be a great idea for Disney to try making it better! Even when it was on Toon Disney, it was still good, even Dark Crystal was once shown on Disney Channel.
Black Cauldron=Disney's Chris Benoit
@@Markimark151 I always seem to forget that dark crystal is a Disney movie. I had watched and owed it for years on vhs before I realized.
Black Cauldron: I'm the darkest, edgiest Disney project that took the most risks!
Return To Oz, Hunchback, Pinocchio, Bambi, Night on Bald Mountain, Sleepy Hollow: You're adorable.
Don't forget the hunchback of notre dame.
Sonic The hedgehog he said that.
No argument here
The original cut of the Black Cauldron was much darker than ALL of those you mentioned. It had Terran killing people on screen and brutal deaths with flesh being melted from bones, lol. In fact, the original cut of this movie scared the test audience into fleeing from the theater. The Black Cauldron, without being edited for kids, would have been Disney's first R rated film in its original format.
@@wiseguy01 honestly I desperately want to see the first version 😂 my cruel dark heart wants it
“Don’t be Howard the duck” Best quote of 2019. And 2019 just started
HYPERBOLE!!!!!!!
Mate its been a month
2015 dead meme 11 more months to go
"Put a piece of sugar in and wait for a bug to fly in"
Didn't the witch say it had to be WILLING to sacrifice itself.
Pretty sure you're right. By the lore, I don't think it would count if you baited/trained any kind of animal to enter the cauldron. Even if the creature entered on its own power, it would need to possess the mental capacity to understand that it will die, what good will come of it, and decide that losing its life is worth the good it will do. Thus any non-sentient being wouldn't count.
All the movie line said was that it had to willingly go into the cauldron. Not that it had to know about its own sacrifice.
Yeah, that's like saying "To summon the dark lord of the abyss one must take the life of another sentient being beneath the light of the moon" and then killing a cockroach in the middle of the day since moonlight is just reflected sunlight, then crying about it not making sense of being rational when it doesn't work!
Well... the fly is WILLING to enter the cauldron for the sugar cube. Idk the rules must be analized deeper in other storys or in a remake of this.
@@archivistvault it willingly entered, it wasn't willingly sacrificing itself, thats the binding word
You know, out of all the disney movies out there I think that The Black Cauldron is the one that could actually use a live action remake.Hell they could just adapt the books that the movie was based on.
That and the Sword in the Stone--which was also loosely based off of a series of books as well.
Except Sword and the Stone is a better movie than this.
@@glowworm2 The Sword In The Stone is already getting a remake only for the Disney+ service.
I have though this for years the books were actually good, but the cartoon did a terrible job of adapting the books. I would love to see a live action version of The Chronicles of Prydain done right
I also think that two movies that really need a live action remake are treasure planet and Atlantis
The art style of this movie is so much like *Don Bluth* that I used to think he animated it.
THAT'S CAUSE HE DID AND GOT NO CREDIT.
It was in development so long that Bluth was probably still with Disney animation when it started.
NC:”Director’s Kids,or,Producer’s Kids?”
me:Probably Both
No, that's Bebe's kids
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"You bring news, of Wala-Wala Washington"
"You bring news, of the Nummy Muffin cocoa butter"
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You bring news of the death of Luke Perry!
You bring news of the upcoming Elton John biopic Rocketman!
You bring news of the series finale of You're the Worst.
You bring news, of the Gummi Bears
You bring news, of Ponyville
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You bring news, of the Care Bears
@@enderfire1st_404 The last one is the absolute best because I know absolutely that was said officially in some form of media
"You bring news... of the puppy?"
"You bring news... of the chocolate pudding?"
"You bring news... of the pogo sticks?"
"You bring news... of the berri-?"
*Wood Nymph voice in the distance* "MY BERRIES????"
You bring news, of Fflewdurr Fflamm?
This is the Disney film that could benefit from a live action remake. It has flaws and those can be improved upon. Beauty and the Beast is flawless yet gets a subpar remake
Yeah, but the original Beauty and the Beast made money and people know and like it. This film... Most people don't know that Disney made this film (and in their defence if you lost out to The Care Bears movie would you admit it existed?)
Also while I can see you could get a decent movie out of a remake of this I'd rather see Atlantis the lost empire get one. Who doesnt want to see a giant robot lobster in live action?
A few years ago Disney actually reacquired the rights to the Prydain series with the intent to remake The Black Cauldron. I haven't heard anything since so I presume that project is dead.
Actually YES PLEASE! With the tone of something like the Jungle Book or Maleficent, a Black Cauldron remake could be something really special.
Marvelously said Ulick.
Unicorn Bunny The Lord of the Rings trilogy is live action fantasy and it’s one of the best film series of all time.
In the book, the evil king is the main antagonist, isn’t trapped in the Cauldron, and his name is Arawn. Also the Horned King is his warlord who goes around burning people in wicker baskets.
Sounds like a much more interesting character tbh
I gotta read this book
9:59 You missed a “Rrrrrhuematism” joke
I was waiting for it
I ' M A W A R R I O R
With a stick.
And he got his ass kicked by a goat.
With a plastic knife as a weapon
*bottles clinking* 🎵Warrior! Shut the hell up!🎵
@Sebastian Emond now theres an idea... This kid and gurgi getting dimensionally teleported into 1970's new york just as The Warriors are first running from the amassed rival gangs.....one ill-timed "i'm a warrior " later,and we have some quality,though short lived, entertainment
"But Dolbin, why won't you come with me?"
"Rrrrrreumatism!!!!!"
Did only I expect this?
Nope. XD
That's exactly what I was thinking of when the Critic remarked on that part. Unfortunately, he thinks that his fans are sick of his older memes.
@@DeltaSpider_ Yes, key words being "he thinks".
what about lumbago this is a serious disease
Yep
So...we get remakes of the classics, which didn't need any remakes at all...and THIS ONE is left untouched for years...
HUH?!?!?!?!?
Don't worry, I'm sure Disney will get around to it eventually. They're trying to extend their copyright on their properties.
It would be too much to ask for Disney to erase the Gurgi character though, so I don't want a remake bringing him back again! Even as a young kid I hated that annoying piece of trash and he ruined the movie for me.
@@misseli1 idk if its about that. They havent redone bambi but did lion king, which doesn't need that. Its less than 30 years old. Bami is like, 75 years old, which thats more reasonable to re do. I think its only for money
Making copies of golden geese.
@@ghostuscoyote I thought he was cute tbh lol
I'll have you know I liked Black Cauldron and the books were good too.
You know why Taren isn't a Disney princess? Because he doesn't get a high-pitched musical number.
that hellfire parody killed me
Don't lie.
The fat stripper was hot.
@@kristaoconnors8878 "Don't shame me, it's my thing! I just love her rolls."
@@14mespider9 Like Donuts! Jelly Donuts!
We need full version, NOW!
The Horned King straight up gave me nightmares as a kid.
Still loved the movie though, despite its flaws.
Ever read the books? I had the misfortune of only seeing this a few years ago after having read the series multiple times.
"Your names all sound like preservatives" Doug is shocked by all the Welsh names in this film adaptation of a Welsh novel.
Stormy Dragon To be honest we all forgot that Wales exists. I’m pretty most British people do as well.
Lol, the most people know about Wales is that Diana was called the Princess of Wales.
I didn’t know the names were Welsh 😅
I want to hear the film with specifically Welsh accents now, it might actually sound better.
Silly Jorge. Wales is a fish not a country.
Gun That Never Misses,or,a Sword That Can Kick Ass on Its Own?I Pick The Sword,I Mean What if There’s Only 1 Bullet in The Gun,I Don’t Wanna Risk Wasting it
Well the wording is only the gun doesn’t miss, the bullets still could
Not if you specifically intend to shoot “anything and everything I would use this gun to shoot if I had it for the rest of my life”.
You can still throw the gun if you waste the one bullet. It never misses after all. But yeah, maybe pick the sword.
Just buy more bullets dingus
The reason he didn't go with the boy was due to...
RHEUMATISM!
You mean "R-R-R-R-R-RHEUMATISM."
Ha!
I was expecting him to make that joke...more disappointed than I care to admit that he didn’t
Old but gold NC meme.
Matthew Whisennand
I was looking for this comment.
Bless this!
6:20 Fun Fact: the narrator describing the Caldron is the legendary actor & director, John Huston. He is also best know by Tolkien fans as the voice of Gandalf from the 1977 Rankin/Bass animated version of The Hobbit & 1980’s The Return of the King.
Hint hint: please review both these animated films in the future!
He did an "Old vs. New" episode about both versions of The Lord of the Rings a long time ago.
Louis Duarte But not the Rankin/Bass versions. And he needs to & should do an Old vs. New review of the animated 1977 The Hobbit versus the live action 2012-2014 The Hobbit Trilogy.
@@hobbitfan8686 Dude...The 2012-2014 Hobbit Trilogy SUCKED. There...it's been reviewed.
@@hobbitfan8686 That is an interesting idea. IMO the Peter Jackson version of the Hobbit wins by a landslide.
I love me some Rankin Bass Hobbit.
Man... still can't believe John Hurt has passed away like 2 years ago. Atleast we can look back on his talent.
Susan Sheridan, Princess Eloinwy's voice actress, died only a couple years earlier from that as well.
LucienTheFirst He was amazing as The War Doctor!!! I really wished we got more episodes with him in it
@@ToonReel001 how she die?
@@slanetroyard92 I think it was cancer.
@@ToonReel001 wonder why it's always cancer.
When I watched this movie when I was little, I didn't realize how whiny Taran was. At least Kylo wasn't constantly complaining.
Luke too in Episode 4.
Aw, I actually kind of liked Kylo Ren. Sure he's no Darth Vader but I still got invested in him maybe in part to Adam Driver's performance.
Who else here would want to see a Black Cauldron remake , cause i honestly felt the film had a ton of untapped potential?
Same with other not so successful Disney movies. I don't get the appeal of remaking an already successful film from animated to live action. But, remaking or even bring to live action 1 that didn't do so well the 1st time and fixing the failed aspects of it would be a welcomed change
@@jessetorres8738 Yeah , and i believe them remaking Hunchback of Notre Dame can prove that .
I do. Even with a kick-ass design for a villain, Disney wasted it and made this into the campiest yet most boring movie I've ever seen from Disney.
Yes yes and triple yes
Yes yes and triple yes
Dude Malcolm doing the intro to the film? More of that please!
I thought the same thing! I was expecting the comment section to be full of such comments but yours was the first I found in at least 10
Well, the names are Welsh (and not even pronounced that great). But how is anyone out of Wales supposed to know how to pronounce the name Fflewddur Fflam?
I'm still calling him Pickles. 😂
I just use Pickles (even though I speak some Welsh)
In case anyone is curious, it'd be "Fleother Flam" or something along those lines.
...I just study Welsh phonology as a hobby.
I think if someone makes an adaptation of something Welsh, they *should* know how to pronounce names. It's basic respect.
@@monsterhanna6691 I'm with the Nostalgia Critic I'm just going to call him Pickles from now on.
“When she sees something so terrible she can’t contain it!”
*shows picture of Detective Pikachu, the best video game movie ever made*
Well that joke aged like fine vinegar!
More like milk. That movie was freaking good
SamuraiTurtle.26 The fighter of dimensions Ooh I agree man! One of the best films of 2019
Yeah, Original Sonic Live Action design would work. Though tbe redesign is actually quite good, the movie is decent as well.
At least it deserves its praise, unlike what people do with the Sonic movie.
Well , now “The Sonic Movie” is the best Video Game Movie ever made.
Actually it could've been improved with Tim Burton's concept designs (which he spent literally over two years coming up with conceptual art that was NEVER USED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
van8ryan have any links?
Or by ... Y'know... Following the book
@@GraveRobbinJake it's a book adaptation? :O
I think it's part of a book series.
@@xLazySlacker its a combination of the first two books of the "Chronicles of Prydain." "The Book of Three" and "The Black Cauldron" believe it or not the characters are rather accurate to how they START at the beginning of the series, but all gradually mature and grow into their roles, namely Taren.
If I may.
This should be the next Disney remake!
Think about it Disney has been constantly remaking already hit Classics that nobody asked for who wanted on live action remake of Jungle Book, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, Alice in Wonderland, those are Classics and they were ruined by live-action adaptations. Now look at the films that Disney has failed but still has potential Black Cauldron, Tron legacy, Sword in the Stone, National Treasure! These movies already had a fanbase going and most of them has Cult followings, etc. These are the films that they should be remaking currently but now they're trying to capitalize on their already hit classics.
The Black Cauldron is literally one of them Disney films that should get a definite live-action remake!
Here are good reasons why it could be successful!
- have better writers
- have better well written characters
- Cut Out Gurgi (Obvious Choice)
- make the main Protagonist more heroic
- go deep into the lore of the books of this universe!
- go even deeper with the darker themes and violence!
- you don't even need to have an R-rating to do it, it could be PG-13 and it could still be violent as hell
- Get a really good director!
- and hey if it's successful make a Trilogy out of it (it could be the next Lord of the Rings!)
- and if you're going for that around maybe even higher Peter Jackson or George Miller.
And those are all my reasons why Black Cauldron should be the best Disney remake they could ever do
OMilly's Comic Dubs if youre inferring that the Tron sequel is terrible. im calling the police
@@filmfreakreacts2516 Tron legacy is one of my favorites Sequels, but a lot of people think that it's one of the worst films and I'm like thinking to myself how is it bad?
So to respond to your question no it's not a bad sequel it's one of my favorite films of all time I even love the animated spin-off series Tron uprising which I'm desperately trying to revive but the help of a bunch of other RUclipsrs on the internet
OMilly's Comic Dubs scared me there. Michael Sheen. the visual effects. Daft Punk score
No I love Gurgi! He's cute!
@@mushroomhead3619 Gurgi Sucks
I actually did have a long runnign theory that Ellonwyn WASN'T a princess but instead, much like our other protag, was so disatisfied by her actual job that she pretended to be a princess.
notably, the Horned King doesn't call her Princess but instead calls her Scullery Maid.
I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out there was a deleted scene of her revealing she wasn't a princess
I had exactly the same idea when the Horned King said that line.
It's kinda weird how that is supposed to be according to the books, actually. She is, in fact, a princess, but she was kidnapped as a baby by an evil sorceress. She never TELLS anyone she is a princess, though. That little tidbit is discovered by her friends later. Eilonwy actually has a very tragic back story.
The reason for the kidnapping: Eilonwy's family line consists of very powerful female sorcerers wielding incredible magical powers, powers that are passed down mother-to-daughter (her kingdom was a Matriarchy). There are other magic wielders in the world, but the House of Llyr (Eilonwy's family) were truly exceptional. By the time of the Black Cauldron, Eilonwy is actually the last living member of that line, and the ancestral castle (due to an unspecified but relatively recent catastrophe) is about a mile offshore of the island they used to rule and partially flooded. The evil sorceress's plan: Raise Eilonwy to be her own personal magical super weapon and take over the known world.
At the beginning of the first book in the series (The Book of Three - the Black Cauldron is the immediate follow up to it), Eilonwy believes that the evil sorceress is her Aunt, and they live together at a place called Spiral Castle. Eilonwy knows her "Aunt" is an evil sorceress, and despises her, but what can she do? Family, right?
So one might ask, if the Sorceresses of the House of Llyr are so powerful, how was Eilonwy kidnapped in the first place? and also why didn't Angharad (Eilonwy's mother) use her awesome powers to find and rescue her daughter? Well to understand that you have to know that in the world of Prydain, magic both requires the caster to have innate magical potential and is realized by using complex incantations and rituals. The Llyr family spells are kept in a spellbook that requires illumination from a special magical light to even be read. Princess Angharad fled her kingdom to elope with a commoner, and took the family spellbook and magic light with her. At some point during their constant game of run and hide from the family, Angharad gave birth to Eilonwy, and her husband died. Rather than go back home and risk the utter rejection of her daughter, Angharad decided to tough it out and she kept her magic use very low-key (likely to avoid being recognized and captured, but this is never explicitly stated). It is at some point during this time that her own mother died and the unspecified disaster happened in the kingdom. It is likely that as far away from home as Angharad had managed to run, she didn't even know about it. And then Eilonwy was kidnapped and Angharad was brutally murdered while trying to find her missing daughter.
So why didn't Angharad do an "Aw, fuck it" and use her magic before she died to find Eilonwy? Well, Eilonwy's bauble (the glowing ball that follows her around in the movie) IS the magical light required to read the spellbook. The bauble was magically bound to Eilonwy, and when she was kidnapped, the bauble automatically went with her, leaving Angharad with the now useless spellbook. The evil sorceress had assumed that the bauble was all that was required for the family spells and only realized her mistake when it was far too late. The spellbook vanished with Angharad and Eilonwy would not have access to the powerful and unique spells she was heir to. So the evil sorceress went to Plan B and tried to teach Eilonwy her own spells while always looking out for any sign of the lost House of Llyr spellbook that contained the super-premium stuff (spoiler alert: it gets found and abused in a later book). The problem with this plan was that most of the sorceress's spells were of the "inflict pain and suffering" and "make myself beautiful" variety, and Eilonwy, not naturally being very vain or inclined towards being evil, didn't really care for them. Thus her efforts in learning them were minimal. Of course, being a good person raised alone by an evil sorceress made Eilonwy's personality... odd.
Taran and Flewdur Fflam were not rescued by Eilonwy from the Horned King's dungeons, they were rescued from the evil sorceress's. And Eilonwy did it to annoy her "Aunt". When they got lost in the ancient and unexplored tunnels under Spiral Castle and found the sword, removing it from the crypt caused the castle to collapse (via curse), theoretically killing the evil sorceress (spoiler alert: it didn't), and Eilonwy became homeless. At the end of the Book of Three, Dalben (the old man from the movie, and a potent sorcerer in his own right) offers to let her live with him and Taran while he attempts to make better arrangements for her, more suited to her rank (these arrangements actually sort of come to fruition in the third book, The Castle of Llyr, when she is sent off to learn how to be a proper lady and there is an attempt to wed her into the family that subsequently assumed the rule of her kingdom, thus legitimizing their rule). Her chores while living at Caer Dalben are the cooking and cleaning (make of that what you will). It is kind of a subtle gag throughout the Black Cauldron how many people really believe that she is nothing more than an orphan Scullery Maid.
The books were very well written, and for the most part, everything that happens in them follows a logical progression. The problem with the movie is that it cuts out and changes so much stuff to fit into a single movie that the story is nearly incoherent. To properly do this book series justice would either require a full series or a film treatment like Lord of the Rings (not The Hobbit). There's just too much there to chop this into a 1.5 hour one-off film and have it make any sense. The movie we ended up with is a weird bastardization of about 3 or 4 chapters drawn from both The Book of Three and The Black Cauldron and kinda mixed together. That being said, I still mostly enjoyed the visual style and tone of the film.
@@michaelmiller3012 huh. What's this series called again?
@@MrsSetsuna101 The series is called the Chronicles of Prydain by Lloyd Alexander. The books are, in order: The Book of Three, The Black Cauldron, The Castle of Llyr, Taran Wanderer (personally my least favorite of the series), and The High King. He wrote a collection of short stories also set in Prydain called The Foundling, and the story of Princess Angharad's elopement is in there.
As someone who read through the entire Prydain chronicles, this movie was a big disappointment to me. I mean so many amazing moments left out, and wimpy moments left in! What were the screenwriters thinking?!
No offense but you're just making "the book was better" argument. That's like going to a restaurant, ordering lasagna and then saying you prefer your moms. Same basis, same ingredients different people and execution. Just a bit of a jerk move.
Just out of curiosity, how long are the books and which is book 1?
@@joghnythegurue2710 restaurants don't base their food off your mom's food, so that's not a suitable example.
@@joghnythegurue2710 The problem is that this film was directed by Richard Rich, when has he directed a good film?
@@joghnythegurue2710 Incorrect, sir. If you're going to adapt a book into a film, you tell the author's story. If you want to tell your own story, you shouldn't adapt a book (unless you wrote it).
Gurgi wasn't even remotely like Jar Jar by any stretch of the imagination. Gurgi acted and sounded like Smeagol.
I agree
Literally a 2 bit knockoff Gollum lmao
"Dalben, why don't you come with me?" The Chronicles of Prydain books reveal that he's magically bound to his hut and can't leave.
really now?, then when they burn down the place to escape from the Horned King how did he leave?
@@Sigismund697 Can't be magically bound to something that's been burnt to ash.
I think Disney’s The Black Cauldron definately needs to be remade. Heck the remake should even get a PG 13 rating.
Why not just go R rated? Imagine Disney going R rated. Wouldn't that be something?
The original cut of The Black Cauldron got an R rating. That's why Katzenberg freaked out, because he couldn't comprehend the idea of an animated film that wasn't meant for children.
They are supposedly rebooting it, the black cauldron was the first book of a series and their doing the whole series.
@@MrSHADOWfox99 Lets hope so.
@@vassel6643 No I'd just stick with PG-13, I mean they seem to be more comfortable with using that rating for some of the films.
How does one describe Gurgi's voice? Let me count the ways.
It's like... imagine Smeagol trying to do his best impression of Donald Duck.
Imagine trying to produce a Shakespearean play, except the lead actor is constantly getting strangled.
Imagine trying to recite poetry while you're in the middle of pushing out a shit roughly half as thick as a tree trunk that never wants to pinch off.
I lost it at the last description
Imagine if Dobby and Kreacher from Harry Potter were one house elf while chewing sand paper.
Imagine if Whitey from Eight Crazy Nights inhaled Sulfur Hexaflouride
Imagine Alvin the Chipmunk corrupted by Saurons Ring.
Imagine if Megaman from Captian N smoked an entire Marlboro factory then swallowed several pieces of broken glass.
"She suddenly sees something so terrible, she can't contain it."
*shows poster for Detective Pikachu*
While that is funny, I am looking forward to how that pans out. It's Ryan Reynolds, so that gets a plus.
Doug's just rubbing his hate boner for Pokemon again.
Yeah. I would've put Sonic instead. I'm just not sure if Jean Ralphio from Parks and Rec would be good as Sonic. Only other role I've seen him in was Night School and that wasn't even mind-blowing or new.
Imagine the movie being great but he still hates it.
Can’t wait for that comment section
The pigs reaction is so hilarious hard to not watch it in a loop
Im hyped for that movie because its a LIVE ACTION POKEMON MOVIE
Does Netflix Even Make DVDs Anymore?
Yes, they still rent by mail. Pay $7.99 a month and you can rent all the DVDs you want via your mailbox
...Do they even give you the option to order the DVD? They used to, but I'd assumed that feature had long since been consigned to the Pit of Profiteering, aka, the Farm of Physical Media Flagellants. o.o
@Jake Rumschik Your dad is a hero of ancient times long forgotten.
@Jake Rumschik I still do as well.
Sure, I can download the film or show from my Google play store, but once in a while the title is unavailable.
This is actually based on the first two books of The Chronicles of Prydain: The Book of Three and The Black Cauldron.
It’s essentially to Wales what Middle-earth is to England.
There was also a video game adaptation of the movie by Sierra in the style of King’s Quest but more accessible to kids since the F1 etc. keys were used instead of a text parser.
Also, the Princess is only a Princess as that’s what she was in the books.
I’m going to get stoned for this but I don’t think I found Gurgi annoying.
Then again, I think it’s been 25 years since I saw it.
I didn't think Gurgi was annoying either, but I admittedly loved this film as a child
I read the Book of Three in middle school and actually enjoyed the story a lot because of it. I definitely don't remember it being like the film at all, but some of the film's visuals are still nice to see.
I got choked up when Gergy sacrificed himself, too.
I really want to see a review of either "The Last Unicorn" or "Flight of Dragons" on here at some point.
I don't know neither of them
I love the l
I'm sure Schmendrick was at this award ceremony.
The Frugal Videogamer What’s Flight Of The Dragons?
For those who don't know either
Here's the opening for "Flight of Dragons" - ruclips.net/video/wJFcQiixYFg/видео.html
And the 25th Anniversary Trailer for "The Last Unicorn" - ruclips.net/video/BpPy8TAGglA/видео.html
Both are Rankin-Bass productions, used an animation team which had members of what later became Studio Ghibli, and while the former was a bit cheesy at times, "The Last Unicorn" had Christopher Lee showing up to recordings with a dog-eared copy of the book as he wanted to be sure the production included certain scenes. Also, TLU was rated G despite having two instances of "Damn".
9:58 "Why don't you come with me?"
"Umm... Rheumatism!"
R to the H to the E to the U M A TISM!
That's exactly what I thought he'd say!
Yeah!!!
“Rheumatism yes.” 8>
This is the movie Disney should remake, not already beloved classic!
Marcello SDLT they are considering it
@@trippcory hope they consider it faster, this the remake I've been waiting for and wanted the most.
@@trippcory they are also already working on a sword in the Stone remake
Why? Remaking already successful things guarantees money. Remaking stuff like this...less so.
That should’ve been their first idea, remaking the ones that didn’t do well but had so much potential instead of the classics
This movie deserves a remake, honestly. Maybe not by DISNEY, but the thing is, this was based in a folk tale. Not specificaly named, it can be known as "the Cauldron of Brân" and "Bran the blessed", which tells the tale of a magic Cauldron given to a mad king to raised an army of undead by simply tossing amputated limbs, so in a battlefield, his men would collect all the parts chopped about and throw inside the cauldron to raise more soldiers. Bran's half brother sacrificed himself by throwing his body in the cauldron. Since it wasn't made to take LIVING bodies, the cauldron was destroyed. Fitting that Disney did a movie about folklore since thats their thing with fairytales, legends and such. Which means this is not a copyrighted story, so anyone can do a decent film based on it.
No, but I think the books had parts based on that legend, though yeah a remake would be good.
If it's Animated than sure i support it to be remade just don't make it Live action
just no
That sounds awesome as hell, but probably too gorey for western animation.
the movie is actually based on a series of books, specifically its based on the first book.
That tale is why I kinda like Black Cauldron.. Past some glaring issues like the irritating hairy mascot, it was decent flick, at least to the kid me who owned shit ton of fable books, mostly all about folklore though
Sad thing is, the Prydain chronicles are a genuinely good series. This movie... really doesn't do the books justice. But that seems to be the case with a lot of book adaptations. Especially if it's a series rather than a single book.
As for the names, that's what happens when someone tries to pronounce Welsh who doesn't speak it, and doesn't want to bother researching it.
Yeah, I remember being disappointed by how far they strayed from the book. And while Taran was kind of whiny in the beginning, he grew considerably throughout the series. Of all the remakes Disney is doing right now, it would be nice to see a proper Book of Three film followed by a Black Cauldron that stays truer to the books.
I bought the books after seeing the movie a few years ago. Tauren Wanderer fucken broke me. And the sacrifice of the harp ........I was crying
@@orion24601 Yeah, that's a live action remake I'd consider seeing in theatres.
The moment they said the Princess's name, I knew it had to be Welsh in origin. Welsh just has that distinct kind of spelling and pronunciation to make an English pronunciation of the same name sound like that
Yeah. Tell me about the name thing.
Look at mine.
Ahem.
This is probably my most favourite (modern) Nostalgia Critic episode.
"When my hamster puts him balls into kool-aid he can watch Gilligan's Island."
And this really takes the cake: 14:09 😅
9:55 Why didn't Dallben go with Taran? That's easy:
It was because of RHEUMATISM!
Peter Krug That's what I was going to say.
*RRRRRRRRRRRRRHEUMATISM*
13:20 *"How'd he not get a Disneyland ride?"*
Actually... the Black Cauldron DID get an attraction at Tokyo Disneyland. It was called Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour. It was a dungeon-like walk-through attraction underneath the castle. It had scary imagery, a Horned King animatronic and allowed guests to role play as part of the adventure. Ran 1986-2006, closed for being too scary.
Joke being Gurgi didn't make it in for obvious reasons.
I kinda want him to review strange magic....and little Nicky. You know it must be done!
Only problem is that I think little nicky is one he straight up admitted he would never do.
@@thehowlinggamer5784 and Freddy Got Fingered was one of the movies he initially said was never gonna review. Life works in mysterious ways. But seriously, why did George Lucas make a animated musical?
@@nealmcbealthenavysealicall794 He also made Howard The Duck so everyone makes mistakes sometimes...
And waiting on an MCU Howard the Duck movie like...
@@26th_Primarch Well, he already has camo in Guardians of the Galaxy ;D
Problem is that Howard himself was a satire, so people ask more why he get movie? Then complain how fuck up the idea is. He definitely would work as one shot comedy. Maybe parody of marvel post scenes?
@@nealmcbealthenavysealicall794 I don't know why don't they come out with a movie where somebody gets turned on by an anthropomorphic duck? George Lucas is f****** weird.
Man, Gurgi attempting to juggle and then failing IMMEDIATELY while babbling incoherently never ceases to make me laugh out loud. Excellent work Doug. 😆
elden ring
You sure that little guy isn't a representation of Golum? lol. He sounds more like Golum.
In fact, PhantomStrider compared him to both Jarjar Binks and Gollum.
He sounds exactly like Gollum.
@@SatanenPerkele True. Hadn't thought of that.
.Gollum
Black Cauldron is from 1985, and as far as I know the only voiced version of Gollum predating him is from the 1977 animated Lord of the Rings movie, who notably sounded quite different from the Serkis version. As such this is probably a coincidence, and if anything it seems more likely Serkis based his performance on Gurgi. (As weird of a thought as that may seem.)
Regarding whether or not Gurgi the literary character (1964) was in any way inspired by Gollum from the LotR books (first appear in 1937, in The Hobbit) that's anyone's guess. It's been ages since I actually read the Chronicles of Prydain so I don't really recall much about the original Gurgi, though apparently his main characteristics were extreme loyalty, humility, and showing great care for his friends. (Which I suppose makes him kind of an anti-Gollum.) I suspect he may actually have been intended to come across as literally a talking dog.
Notably, Lloyd Alexander, the author, claimed Gurgi just sorta appeared fully formed in his mind one day. (This does not exclude subconscious inspirations, however.)
Replace the Detective Pikachu joke with Will Smith’s Genie reveal and it’ll be funnier 😂
IzzyVEntertainment7 yeahhh he’s just hates pokemon
@Queenofawesome25 *Sonic the Hedgehog trailer. Yikes is it awful (except maybe for Jim Carrey).
The Detective Pikachu movie doesn't suck.
He still hates Pokémon tho
YOu're all outdated now the new eldritch horror is Live Action Trailer SOnic
"Dont Be Like Howard the Duck" is a poster I desperately need
How about Donald Trump Cocky???
I am so gonna live by that quote from now on.
to me,it Sounded Like The Minstrel Was Saying His Name Was”Flute of Fun”
more like flute of phlegm
@Pixel Wizard ok
How hard up was Nigel Hawthorne to play this role?
**Clears throat and summons the welsh**
“Flywder Fleym”
Lloyd Alexander said this about the film:
"First, I have to say, there is no resemblance between the movie and the book. Having said that, the movie in itself, purely as a movie, I found to be very enjoyable. I had fun watching it. What I would hope is that anyone who sees the movie would certainly enjoy it, but I'd also hope that they'd actually read the book. The book is quite different. It's a very powerful, very moving story, and I think people would find a lot more depth in the book."
That being said, I do agree that there's a lot more depth in the book, but the movie does have some charm and a wonderful vocal performance by John Hurt.
Very well said on his part.
Critic should've cited this, honestly.
Lol "powerful, very moving story, "
Pretty much my view, as well. I saw the movie in theaters. Needless to say, I was young (5), and my parents freaked. I loved the movie so much that when I was 7, I checked out Alexander's series for the first time. That turned my love for the movie into a love-hate relationship; it took me several years to come to terms with the fact that the Black Cauldron is not an adaptation of the book series, but a reimagining. I can appreciate it now for that, and for it getting me to read the books, but other than that, it's more of a guilty pleasure than a good film.
I still consider Black Cauldron to be the worst Disney adaptation.
@C N And what do you think about Home on the Range? That one was bad, too
Time to watch another NC
Dudes, this movie actually *did* get a Disney park ride in Tokyo, one that I heard was pretty badass. Look up "Cinderella Castle Mystery Tour" -- yeah, "Cinderella Castle," it's a misdirection.
Defunctland has a great video on this
"Throw the boy into the dungeon."
Man, does this take on a whole different meaning as an adult.
The biggest problem with the film is that it was directed by Richard Rich. When has this guy ever been useful?????????
Then throw the dungeon in the dungeon, then throw the dungeon in the boy!
What the hell is Gurgy supposed to be?
He isn't a dog because he jump on trees
He isn't a monkey because he has no tail
He clearly isn't a cat
What the hell is Gurgy!?
A mistake of evolution/what god makes when he's drunk?
@@playererror4044 or mutant of a hairball and Elmo ???
Clearly, he's some sort of generic fantasy critter. I'd assume he's some sort of Imp.
A sentient mop-head.
@@ilikecurry2345 I was thinking of that but he doesn't look like any fantasy character that I know, also I think Imps are supposed to be much smaller and have wings
I really wish Disney would stop giving this movie the cold shoulder and give it some love. Maybe release the cut parts or give it a solid remake. There is so much potential here. Disney has been playing it safe lately it feels like. Would love to see Disney taking risks again.
They have the budget and the good rep that I feel they could take some. Its so sad when you find out all that went on behind the scenes with this movie... I still get pissed thinking about what that executive asshole did. Its one of several reasons I feel like they do a better job of ruining shit than actually doing their freaking job.
But I digress. Hopefully Disney will take notice of the nostalgia resurgence in some of their older classics that either didn't get enough attention like Atlantis or didn't do so well like this movie. Heck, with all their live action remakes, I would love to see a Live Action Atlantis.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks Atlantis deserves a live-action remake more than anything else Disney is pointlessly crapping upon, like Dumbo or Lion King.....
Atlantis alongside Treasure Planet
@@SnipingIsFun Dunno about Treasure Planet. Sadly, mainstream audience are still not that interested by the steampunk genre.
@Bradley Coates Nobody wants that
After they completely re-wrote Zootopia to cut out all the darker stuff, pretty much ruining the entire star wars franchise, making live action remakes with little to no real changes, and even taking credit for someone else's work (a star wars fan film) I honestly don't have much faith in disney anymore.
Brawn should have won an award for being one of the only surrviver from 1984 in transformers the movie
A castle ounce owned by a king with a powerful magic sword..... So it sounds like horned king is set up in the ruins of Camelot, and the kid grave robbed king Arthur.
I always thought it was a loose sequel to Sword of the Stone.
@@dnmstarsi With the way the Disney film portrays it I can definitely see that (Taran even looks little bit like Arthur from "Sword in the Stone"), but I believe the book series that this film is based on better explains the sword and its previous owner.
@@cartooncritique6625 Oh I can definitely see that. Although I'm gonna stick to the dumb theory that certain Disney movies co-exist in the same universe. Makes flicks these these a little better.
The sword's name is Dyrnwyn, not Excalibur. The movie is based on a series of fantasy books by Lloyd Alexander, which are in turn inspired from Welsh mythology. King Arthur's round table myth and Excalibur tales are somewhat connected to Welsh mythology, as far as I remember, so there is definitely some loose historical connection to Camelot and king Arthur, but ultimately, the stories are separate.
@@fcv4616 I did hear about the book series after I posted this, but the Welsh Mythology connection is news to me. Definitely interesting.
The sad part is that, from what I remember, the book this movie is loosely based on is actually pretty good
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Prydain
It's doubly sad - in the books, I believe, Taran does eventually become a great warrior, *and* the sacrifice at the end of TBC is a truly tragic one.
@Rae Yep, the Black Cauldron
The books are far far better than this box office bomb. Read them.
There are seven books that this movie tried to cram into one. It didn't work well.
The Black Cauldron is part of the of a Quintology of novels called the "The Chronicles of Prydain" The Black Cauldron itself is the second book of this series. Though this movie condenses the first book "The Book of Three" and "The Black Cauldron" into this mess of a film. If they had been more faithful to the source material it would have been a better movie. Then again, while the book series is marketed for kids, visually the content would have been too intense to be anything under PG13 at best. So it could have been good, but it may have been better if Disney had just left this series alone.
I've often thought about reading the book series! Hopefully it's better than The Dragonbone Chair....I could barely make it through that, and I don't think I'll ever get around to reading the rest of that series.
Thank god somebody mentions that fact! (The fact that The Black Cauldron was an adaptation of a series of books, sorry for being vague in my comment) I still love the film (despite the hate, but I guess I didn't have to say that), but as much as I love this film, I don't want Disney marketing off of this again. They'll fuck it up even worse, I don't have to mention why, we know why.
@@sashizakura9124 You should. I read them all last year and thoroughly enjoyed them from start to finish. As you read it, you'll soon realize where a lot of modern fantasy tropes you recognize as being overused these days originate from given the publication date of the first novel (1964). I'd rate its influence on fantasy as a genre up there as second to The Lord of the Rings, and I'd actually say it's ahead of Narnia. Its influence on the genre is mostly in how fantasy writers have absorbed its influence and worked in elements from it in their own writing. Also the author, Lloyd Alexander is the one who coined the term "High Fantasy" in an essay he wrote on the subject.
How I'd rate the books:
1) The High King (#5)
2) The Black Cauldron (#2)
3) The Book of Three (#1)
4) Taran Wanderer (#4)
5) The Castle of Llyr (#3)
That's just my preferences. The High King pays off rather well as all the character development that's occurred for the characters comes to full fruition in that book (not to mention it's a comparative blood bath of a lot of secondary characters who we've met throughout the series). The Black Cauldron feels like a proper adventure with all the characters known to us compared to The Book of Three which feels more like an introduction to the characters and the adventure as an accidental afterthought. Taran Wanderer is a collection of stories about Taran wandering Prydain and having a long self-reflective experience as he tries to figure out who his parents were or if that matters. And The Castle of Llyr is supposed to be all about Eilonwy--it promises that... and then it pulls a bait and switch on us that I thought was unfair.
Truthfully, what this series needs is a TV mini-series adaptation, not a film adaptation.
Are still in print?
Heptology. There are seven books.
I loved how terrifying the Horned King was!
I read the book The Black Cauldron, and I can say for certain the movie was a hack job. I liked some of the changes that were made, but most the changes were just head scathingly bad. I like that instead of the stereotypical grumpy dwarf that Dolby is a grumpy faerie engineer. Fflam stayed mostly the same from how he was in the book, surprisingly enough. But the Gwifanks, those human-sized dark colored dragons were changed from their far more impressive, and potentially iconic, description in the book as "giant silver birds" and Elonwy had her role and presence toned down to the point she was basically a cardboard cut out, while her borble actually got given more a personality for some reason. Tarin and Gurgy changed the most from the book, and not in the way that would be endearing.
It wasn't until several years later that I noticed the Black Cauldron novel was part of a series, being the third book of said series, and apparently took a shredder and hacksaw to those first three books to make the film known as the same title as the third book of the series. The book was a good standalone in its own right, you really didn't need to know the events of the prior books but would probably help.
And in the book, Elonwy is a badass of the kind you don't see very often. It's explained the book, but the not the movie for some odd reason, that Elonwy is being held at the keep as ransom because they are literally in her father's kingdom, and when they end up in the domain of the faeries she shows how much of a badass she can be by using politics to speed the journey of the heroes along, we see no signs of this aspect of who she is in the movie version for some reason. In the book, they are told that a meeting with the Faerie council can take centuries, and the fastest any hearing has left anyone waiting to get out is a few decades. In the book, Elonwy uses her knowledge and understanding of politics to get them out and back on their quest in a little over a day.
Correction, The Black Cauldron was actually book 2 of The Chronicles of Prydain. The Castle of Llyr is book 3. Nitpick, sure, but I thought I'd help with that.
@@zelectrode3337 It's funny, I've seen in one of the later books it was book 3 but heard it was actually book 2. So, conflicting sources
Sounds like Book-Elionwy has an absurdly high Charisma score and dumped a whole bunch of skill ranks into Diplomacy
I guess yo could say she was that sort of character, @@grahamcarpenter5135
Thank you! So few people have actually read the book! It’s nice to know that there are some other people who actually read Lloyd Alexander’s works instead of watching Disney’s bastardization!
Most everything that's off with the movie makes more sense if you read the novels it's based on called, "Chronicles of Prydain". The movie cuts so much out of the books though that it feels like a rushed, poor adaptation of them.
If any good can come from this live-action craze Disney is going through now, maybe a live action, multi-part Black Cauldron could be thrown into that mix. I'm doubtful it will, but I'll stay hopeful.
I read some of the books when a I was a kid in school: that’s part of why I bought the VHS for this movie and I watched it all the time. They explain more of Eilonwys family history in the books as well as the three witches. IIRC, they raised Dalben and they’re all hundreds of years old.
It just borrows names from the book, its almost nothing like the books. Its god awful all around.
Truth; I was 14 when the movie was released, and was so put off by it that I didn't read the books until almost 6 years later.
It doesn't feel like a rushed, poor adaptation of the books. It is a rushed, poor adaptation of the books.
The Prydain Chronicles could be Disney's Lord of the Rings if they do it right
It’s very coincidental that this was uploaded just a little over a week before the passing of Ron Miller (producer of the Black Cauldron).
R.I.P.
Rob Yagenmyer at least Katzenburg left Disney to form dreamworks animation.
Whenever NC Shows a Scene With Rob in it All I Can Focus on is His Lame Wig
THE HELLFIRE SEGMENT HAS ME SHRIEKING
Ya no kidding
8:47 Should've used Sonic the Hedgehog instead of Detective Pikachu.
He personaly hates Pokemon
yes that trailer looked awful
A bolt of brilliance!
Dude, have you SEEN how needlessly gross and scary the Pokemon look in Detective Pikachu?
@@ElFreakinCid Honestly, I think some of them look cute. SOME of them. Besides, Sonic's design in the teaser trailer looks way worse to me.
14:09 "I feel her! I see her! The sun caught in her raven hair! Don't shame me, it's my thing! I just love her rolls~!"
The biggest gripe I had was that Disney tried to condense The Prydain Chronicles into a single film. Written by Lloyd Alexander, the five books of the Prydain Chronicles are based off of Welsh and Celtic legends. The Black Cauldron was only the second book of the five, though the eponymous cauldron was mentioned in nearly all five. The original books are long overdue for a big-screen adaptation, as each book is an epic adventure in it's own right. If only a studio existed that would faithfully adapt the books with proper respect. It certainly won't be Disney, who has made an industry out of bastardizing classic stories in the name of "social justice."
Maybe one day...
700 years after we're all dead
Didn’t the horned king call the princess a chambermaid at one point? I always assumed she was just calling herself a princess, but in reality was just a servant.
If that's confusing, get this: Fluder is a king!
Nah, Eilonwy was a princess the whole time. It's expanded upon in the books. And yeah, Fflewdyr is secretly a king who got super bored of ruling so decided to be a bard. Taran is kind of the only one who's just plain lol
And by "decided", we mean "sucked hard at it and couldn't pass the tests to get accepted into the official brotherhood of bardry, but decided to just bum around and call himself a bard anyway".
@@HarveyRequiem he was more badass in the books too. In the first one he fought a warband with his only backup being Gurgi and a Dwarf. On that note, Gurgi was a lot better in the book too.
Argh. Thanks a lot for pointing that out! Which means... the writers of the film, fucked up yet another detail about the books. [sigh] Can this film get any shittier?
I’m gonna be honest and say that the fake meant to be annoying voice critic used for the review gurgy is actually way less annoying than the original
Apparently, the original cut of the film was much better and much more horror-oriented/somewhat gory. It was supposed to appeal to older teens and young adults going through their edgy phase. It was thought that it would do very well due to swords-and-sorcery tales and adventure stories' popularity during that time.
The movie was made during a very strained period where Disney's theme parks weren't doing very well and where there were changes in staff and ownership. The budget grew much smaller very quickly, and as a result the movie went through production hell.
At the time, Katzenberg was overseeing much of the process, and despite his misgivings, he seemed to reluctantly allow it to continue with only a few grumblings here and there. Some of those "grumblings" included several massive cuts being made that removed many key components of the movie, giving the whole thing a strange, awkward pacing due to the studios' misunderstanding of the source material and how animation worked. A lot of time was wasted and a lot of animation cels got scrapped seemingly on a whim, but despite this, the end-game seemed to be at hand.
That is, until it was time for the finished product to be screened by the staff.
Word has it, Katzenberg was FURIOUS with the result, and many of the animators thought they'd be fired on the spot. He basically thought the entire thing was a blemish on the company. He ordered around 11 minutes more (I think) of footage be scrapped, including several more mature, gory scenes and some mood-setting moments that would have given context into many of the more awkward scenes in the final cut, and, at long last, the badly-paced, hurriedly edited mess was slapped into theaters with barely any marketing behind it.
Some people theorize Katzenberg really disliked the movie so much he wanted to bury it before it even had a chance to gain traction.
I think some of the original footage was found not too long ago and you can find some of it on RUclips now. You'll be able to see that the movie, in its original form, would have been a very good adaptation of the source material, despite the liberties they took, like making the Horned King much more ominous and important-seeming and rearranging some of the original scenes and ideas from the books to form a more condensed, easily-digestible version.
I hope they’ll release the movie on blu ray with the original cut included. I want to see how gory those scenes are.
That explains so much.
@@supermariofan03 I mean it was still a film directed towards younger audiences, but it would have had proper scenes of the undead, not just dusty skeletons or whatever.
There’s 12 minutes of finished animation that Katzenburg physically cut from the film, apparently they still hold a complete print in the archives.
DanTheMan 2150AD Then that gives Disney a perfect opportunity to release this on blu ray.
The Black Cauldron is based on a book of a novel series called The Chronicles of Prydain. Here are the elements in the movie vs the elements in the book and the stuff I researched that made them different:
Movie: Taran lives with Fflewddur Fflam, a farmer/bard
Book: Taran lives with Dallben, a 379-year-old enchanter and an aged farmer/retired warrior named Coll. Fflewddur Fflam (yes, I had to look his name up) is a king by birth but chooses to be a bard
Edit: I realized it actually is Dallben in the movie but in my defense him and Fflewddur Fflam look too alike in the movie
Movie: Princess Eilonwy (yes, I had to look her name up too) has no seemingly royal connection
Book: Princess Eilonwy is princess of a FAMILY OF ENCHANTRESSES (yes, really and yes, that is made VERY CLEAR)
Movie: Hen Wen is a farm animal/supposed pet who Taran is to care for, whom he loses while fantasizing
Book: Taran is to care for Hen Wen due to her prophetic visions, and HE is kidnapped by the Horned King NOT HER
Movie: Gurgi is introduced after Taran loses Hen Wen
Book: Gurgi is introduced very early on after (and presumably not as annoying)
Movie: The Horned King's army currently is dead, and he wishes to use it to raise them
Book: They're ALREADY undead as the series begins, called the "Cauldron Born" and are relevant for at least two books)
Movie: Horned King wants the Black Cauldron, and he is the only main antagonist antagonist as a result
Book: A tyrant named Arawn is the antagonist (at least for the last book) and he wants to conquer the kingdom), whereas the Horned King is only relevant for two of FIVE BOOKS of the series
EXTRA FUN FACT: The movie the author has stated has nothing to do with the books, but the author thought was pretty entertaining, as well as Roger Ebert who gave it a positive rating
Pays to read the source material, huh?