How A.I Art is Forcing Artists to Evolve - June 17, 2022

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    In this video I'll show you both the Benefits and the Limits of the Artificial Intelligence image generation programs like DallE 2, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion and Disco Diffusion and How they will change our jobs in the digital art industry.
    We'll go through each production area (Illustration, Concept Art, Backgrounds, Character Design and Animation) and explore its applications. We'll also talk about a new job born with this technology (with a surprise guest), and my honest thoughts on how it'll shake our lives as artists.
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    03:06 Illustration
    03:58 Art Style Theft
    05:40 Concept Art
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  • @DJ_BoomBear
    @DJ_BoomBear 11 месяцев назад +32

    i honestly dont know how to feel, i went to school to study as a concept artist and i feel like with how Ai art generators work now i lost my chance to ever get a foot in the door.

  • @robinfox4440
    @robinfox4440 11 месяцев назад +29

    AI art depresses me. I spent so many years learning art, struggling, feeling like a failure, giving up and starting again and again. Now I'm really just thinking what's the point.

    • @NoahtheGameplayer
      @NoahtheGameplayer 29 дней назад

      i mean its up to you if you really want to learn art, want to learn AI, or learn Both,
      AI is not always the Cons, its also the pros to be a tool to actually help many people, its just up to them to see it from a blind eye perspective

  • @v2ycloud
    @v2ycloud Год назад +420

    A bloke just won 1st place on a Art Competition in Colorado State Fair by using Midjourney AI and printing the image on a canvas. Some random guy typing words into a discord server won over some artist who worked tirelessly to hone their skills to produce unique images. And you’re telling us not to be afraid of this technology?

    • @art2stay178
      @art2stay178 Год назад +87

      Learn it for gods sakes! The camera didn't replace artists, it only made artists better! Photoshop paint filters didn't replace painters, it only created a new type of art! The synthesizer didn't replace artists, but only created a new for of music.
      Also, about that guy who won the Colorodo state fair,
      1. He spent weeks working on it.
      2. He runs his own game company and works frequently with concept artists.
      3. you should see the other images he was competing with. One was a literal deviant art anime picture.
      4. This is ameture art, nearly all of the people competing on that art fair arent full time professional artists.
      5. You probably wouldnt have even heard about this art competition if it wasnt for that AI art piece.

    • @email7919
      @email7919 Год назад +11

      that isnt scary, thats amazing

    • @idioticone2349
      @idioticone2349 Год назад +42

      My god. You do realize that once this become commonplace itll be separated into a contest for ai and
      one for actual art.
      It's just in the beginning phases, they will be separated in the future

    • @email7919
      @email7919 Год назад +7

      If you don't want computers being used in a contest just go to a competition with real paintings

    • @salemwillson9059
      @salemwillson9059 Год назад +26

      @@art2stay178 Clearly this is on an entire new level. YOu are comparing making fire to having infinite opensource close to free nukes

  • @ChrisXBlue
    @ChrisXBlue Год назад +151

    I feel like what truly separates AI from artists is intent.
    An artist create a full image from made from a 1000 brushstrokes, learning from mistakes along the way. Whereas the AI will just know if it did right or wrong, imitating a style or hitting a general feeling.

    • @61subsandnovideos
      @61subsandnovideos Год назад +5

      Ai knows no feeling

    • @SimoneBellomonte
      @SimoneBellomonte 2 месяца назад

      Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

    • @SimoneBellomonte
      @SimoneBellomonte 2 месяца назад

      Pfp (Profile picture) and / or Banner Sauce (Source [Artist])? 🗿

  • @MarPinto
    @MarPinto Год назад +63

    At work we started to use AI and i could not feel more miserable tbh.

    • @user-pq4il4xo9s
      @user-pq4il4xo9s 11 месяцев назад +2

      What's your job?

    • @tomo4977
      @tomo4977 10 месяцев назад +18

      When I’ve gone to talks recently hearing some directors celebrate the possibility of completely replacing drawing with prompt typing like it’s a great thing, nothing makes me more depressed ngl.

    • @The_YellowGuy_
      @The_YellowGuy_ 8 месяцев назад

      @@tomo4977nah nothing with ever replace real art

  • @robinbugge4240
    @robinbugge4240 Год назад +40

    Another big issue, besides the many mentioned here in other comments, is the lack of recognition for the work of the artists that made AI possible. Billions of images stolen and used for commercialization of a process that is by it's own nature hostile to art itself. It's not just theft, it's the willing destruction of art as a concept in order to make a short term profit.

  • @rpzseries-2256
    @rpzseries-2256 Год назад +11

    16:48 '' AI artist'' ....wtf bro ? .__. really?

  • @Jerry_quesoso
    @Jerry_quesoso Год назад +79

    For me there are 3 kind of AI users:
    - The prompters, which work entirely in the AI text box and do a million variations to arrive to something decent.
    - The recyclers, the ones that take the very first generations no matter their look and edit them in order to create something on a whole new level.
    - The watchers, similar to recyclers they won't care about the results as they'll mostly use generations as reference and make their own interpretations.
    For me the last 2 are what I'd consider artists as it'll require certain amount of art knowledge to pull it off correctly.
    Something I'll forever disagree is too see prompters monetizing generated stuff in general, it just gives me a bad taste. Like c'mon, would you seriously pay to someone who writes funny prompts and select the somewhat good gens? Because I wouldn't lol

    • @arlaghdoth4434
      @arlaghdoth4434 Год назад +6

      Yeah, I normally use the results as reference, having ADHD sometimes my brain just isn't in the right place, and gathering very specific references is made much much easier to the point that after installing Stable Diffusion I've been drawing like 5x more frequently than I was before, it's honestly a godsend.

  • @Jwe.
    @Jwe. 7 месяцев назад +6

    The eyes of the general audience? I'm not sure we've been encountering the same general audience. In the eyes of artists, for sure. But the general audience often cant tell if something is ai or not, ot wether it holds some sort of value like the original work would or not. And even if they can they tend to not care if the work is even remotely "as good" as what it's immitating :c

  • @Asturev
    @Asturev Год назад +25

    Rip my job. I have a graphic design company and dont make enough to pay my rent. Yes I cant get out of poverty.
    Customers already have millions of excuses on why they should pay less for the projects and most of the time they would just tell one of their wmployees to do it for free. When customers hear about this they will just do it themselves.
    You are so wrong on this. You think people care about the perfect pic but most care about budget and a good enough result.
    This isnt a tool ot os a replacement.

    • @markcooperartcom
      @markcooperartcom Год назад +12

      I agree. We're screwed. I've been doing album covers for bands for 15 years and now i'm starting to see a.i. album covers everywhere. I wont support bands that do this. But soon no one will care and just do it. The jobs will get more and more hard to come by.

  • @traditur_
    @traditur_ Год назад +5

    Someday they’ll look to you and ask, “Where were you when they took over the planet?” I’ll say, “I was busy in Blender sculpting Godzilla for a friend when all this went to hell. Now anything I do or anything I say is meaningless. Even after I switched careers, because I still got laid off as an A.I developer because these things starting building themselves.”

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад +102

    13:56 AI generated art can't have copyright. Fun quirk.
    It's like that viral macaw selfie where a monkey accidentally took a photo of himself. The guy who owned the camera tried to sue for copyright when someone else used it but the judge ruled that it was taken by the monkey and monkeys can't have copyright.
    We'll see how well dall e's licencing holds up. MJ does this right.

    • @artxgx9245
      @artxgx9245 Год назад +1

      Yeah copyright is humanist b.s very discriminatory. Just don't tell people an ai made it and now it's suddenly protected.

    • @MatheusNiisama
      @MatheusNiisama Год назад +3

      I genuinely don't see how you can enforce that.

    • @lip3gate
      @lip3gate Год назад

      how so? People behind those AI need to be accountable since their team developed the AI to search, collect and iterate the images.
      There is no aciddent here, like a monkey taking a selfie. We are talking about a software that collect billions of images without aksing permission for it.

    • @bahamutgamin1424
      @bahamutgamin1424 Год назад +1

      @@MatheusNiisama the reality is copyright laws only exist if you want to waste money to go to court over it but if you change the image let’s say a little bit then it’s a new image the way I see it no art is 100% original it’s just unique cuz your the one who made that one

  • @miwiarts
    @miwiarts Год назад +17

    this just makes me fucking depressed, man. there's no point in doing anything anymore if a computer can just make something that's good enough. what's the point in practicing skills anymore if the computer can just do your work but better and faster

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +10

      I hope you can watch the last chapter in the video, 'my honest thoughts'. I truly think the computer can do A kind of work, and its good at it.
      But it can't do YOUR work, what you bring to the table that nobody else does. We will use A.I as a tool to build upon, and for that we'll need the same skills that we're already practicing. Art fundamentals. I'm already working on doing this for my next project!
      You have all the right to get scared, shocked and depressed, at least for a few days. My first week using this technology I couldn't even sleep. But I also hope you can give it a try cause the more I used it, I realized what I just told you. Best of luck!

    • @idioticone2349
      @idioticone2349 Год назад

      Well, for yourself! To create your own unique style and have fun with it. Art should be fun, not something to stress over.

    • @tomarnocu1075
      @tomarnocu1075 Год назад

      @@ManuMercurial stop. if you continue on this path it will only destroy you, and the innocent

    • @samsonbeaver1643
      @samsonbeaver1643 Год назад +3

      I'm just abandoning digital art all together, thankfully I've been doing traditional art most of my life. AI will most likely kill the entertainment industry though.. It'll eventually stop being a tool and make every real artists work In factory job and only do art as a hobby, as we look up at are tech bro overlords, making all the money off the backs of every artists hard work.. But you should keep doing art If you injoy It, perhaps become a tattoo artist like I am now? But I refuse to call anyone that uses AI and artists, you aren't an artists, you are a lazy joke!!

    • @Lightning-gg5iu
      @Lightning-gg5iu Год назад

      Think of it like speed running. We already have TAS which creates the perfect speed run, doing inhumane frame perfect inputs, but that doesn’t stop speed runners from getting their own PB

  • @rhythmandblues_alibi
    @rhythmandblues_alibi 7 месяцев назад +8

    I think you are being way too optimistic and charitable in this take. Also, the tech is developing at a rapid rate. The things you assuredly say image generators will "never" be able to do, I think they probably will be able to do some day. Also.. im 2/3rds through the video and no mention yet of how unethical it is to steal artists work to train the models on ? To me that is *the fundamental issue* with these image generators. Companies are profiting off of the unpaid work of thousands of artists, without consent. It is gross and I don't understand how anyone who calls themselves an artist could support this.

  • @prizmic3448
    @prizmic3448 11 месяцев назад +50

    AI is one of the biggest hurdles for me wanting to get into art right now, as if there weren't already enough. It takes the bar where I can say "I'm good at art" from an extremely unlikely goal to pretty much impossible. If, in a decade's time, only the best artists are even able to simply match what an AI can do, then what is the point of getting better at art? Yes, AI will be able to copy my style, why wouldn't it be able to? It can copy anyone's style. Art made by humans gives me life. So much of AI generated art feels empty and soulless, even if it's high quality. Whatever.

    • @hiddenwings91
      @hiddenwings91 8 месяцев назад +5

      Wow, what you said was beautiful.🥲
      And you are 100% correct. My art tells a story, and Ai will never be able to recreate my deep emotions I craft into it. That is why it is better.
      Well said, well said.🙂👏

    • @DakotaJones-nn2oi
      @DakotaJones-nn2oi 7 месяцев назад +5

      Sounds like you're struggling not with ability but with purpose. Life is never about what you do, it's about why you do it.

    • @Kessekom
      @Kessekom 6 месяцев назад +6

      @@DakotaJones-nn2oiPrecisely, even if everyone in the world copied my style, I’d still make art, because only my art contains my voice. That’s what makes it worth it.

    • @mayanightstar
      @mayanightstar 4 месяца назад +1

      art is not just about technical skill.

  • @subcreation4341
    @subcreation4341 Год назад +63

    There's no question in my mind, the AI is the artist, not the human prompt crafter. Prompt crafting is art direction. If you paint over it, or work with the AI art as reference, you are an artist collaborating with the AI artist.

    • @samthesomniator
      @samthesomniator Год назад +4

      Said same about photography once. 😅

    • @mycollegeshirt
      @mycollegeshirt Год назад

      @@samthesomniator like Rockwell

    • @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608
      @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608 Год назад +6

      Using reference is not collaboration. By that logic every artist in the world that works professionally collaborated on every solo made image they ever made.
      Painting over or such however, yes I agree.

    • @Breadloaf230
      @Breadloaf230 Год назад +2

      @@sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608 bro “using reference” they’re GIVING reference to the ai they aren’t using the reference to draw shit so they didn’t make the ai art the ai made it

    • @mentalstress2129
      @mentalstress2129 11 месяцев назад

      It’s not even alive broski

  • @ThatGuy_33
    @ThatGuy_33 Год назад +74

    I’m really excited for this technology however I’m afraid that your future predictions might’ve been a bit optimistic.
    A lot of your predictions relied on people still respecting the work of the original artist. I think people are already prong to undervalue the skill of artists. I think as the technology progresses and is able to do many of the things that I currently can’t, a large group of people I will cease to care if someone decides to do are the old fashion way.
    As someone who is currently in college for graphic design I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +10

      Yeah! That's why I'm making a project using it + painting/animating stuff. I think so far people focus on using one or the other, but why not both!! Let's see how my project goes but I think we can live in a world where us artists use both A.I and still do things by hand at the same time. In which case this tech will allow us to work so much faster and get great results! Here's hoping!

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 Год назад +6

      Because computers completly replaced tradicional drawing and no one draws using pencil and a piece of paper profesionaly
      AI is a tool, a very powerful tool compared to what it came before but a tool at the end of the day and if you know how to leverage it's power it can be extremly useful, just imagine using AI to create the series of your dreams in weeks of work instead of years, or using AI to learn diferent art styles, using AI to automaticaly generate image references that don't exist on the world, VFX artists using AI to automaticaly cut frames from a vídeo to add the special effects without all the tedious work
      Like any tool before AI will change everything, adapt to it's posibilities and you will thrive, don't adapt and you will get left behind, it has always been like that
      Welcome to a revolution

    • @porpoin6066
      @porpoin6066 Год назад +15

      @@carso1500 how is that has anything to do with op comment? hes just expressing his concern on whether artist will become undervalued or not and whether most skill he learned in college is going to be relevant in finding a job in the future or not
      also there ARE less and less people using traditional drawing as a profession, obviously its not a bad thing at all, but using straw man to prove your point is just ridiculous

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 Год назад +4

      @@porpoin6066 traditional is pretty much still used a lot, not only for teaching but profesionally too, but that isnt the point
      the point is that there is no real reason to have this fears that all artists will lose their jobs because of AI because AI is a tool, a very powerful tool with lots of potential and yes im sure some artistic works will disapear because of AI
      actually on the contrary i could see that certain people could see artists that use AI as "lower" and value their work less than "true artists" because they literaly push buttons to automatically make art, if there are already people who see digital artists as "lesser" because they believe that using computers to make art is "cheating" now imagine how bad AI artists will have it by extrapolation

    • @porpoin6066
      @porpoin6066 Год назад +8

      ​@@carso1500 i did say traditional art have becoming less and less prevalent as profession but not gone completely, you wont see company lining up for hiring an artist that can only do traditional art and usually they only see traditional art as a bonus rather than a requirement, so i disagree when you say that its still used alot
      again, no one here said all artist will lose their job, but having concern is pretty justified especially if you want to spent years in college to become a professional artist, you dont want to spent years learning to become a courier riding horses only to realize no one use horse anymore right? thats why video like this is good for showing what you can and cant do with ai, on the other hand dismissing their concern and saying its all fine and dandy while also saying adapt or get left behind wont help anyone.
      and for the value part thats the point!! if people already think that making digital art is easy now, its going to be harder to convince people that its not, hence undervalued. its kinda similar to whats happing to photographer actually
      look im not saying AI is bad for artist or even art in general, in fact i only draw as a hobby so this AI thing is only a net positive for people like me, but being dismissive about the negative and only focus on the positive is wont solve anything

  • @huddled_up
    @huddled_up 7 месяцев назад +4

    Saying AI will replace artists is like saying the photograph replaced painting, sure it kinda did in history (aka portraits and settings), but art still exists. art evolves, if it’s replaced, it’ll find a way to be unique and have meaning.

  • @MrTinfoilSombrero
    @MrTinfoilSombrero Год назад +6

    I am the 'Artist' of my Big Mac because I 'prompted' the drive-through to hold my pickle.

  • @arielporcheratv
    @arielporcheratv Год назад +46

    Sorry but this is too good to ignore… There is already an AI for brand logo generator that will kill small designers. You can say “yeah but it will never as good as a graphic designer that studied for over 20 years…” but we forget that we literally didn’t have smartphones 12 years ago… this is moving way too fast and I’m afraid that in one decade AI will pretty much do anything that right now seems impossible. Any small artist will no have place to go, leaving everything for the entrepreneurs and the ones who can imagine a new world, which is a different skill set. It’s incredible and truly terrifying. Great video! Just subscribed!

    • @Liniont
      @Liniont Год назад +2

      Just wanted to correct you a bit. We most certainly did have smart phones in 2012 sir/ma'am/other. You need to go further back lol

    • @tomatoorphan6166
      @tomatoorphan6166 Год назад

      @@Liniont point still stands, there's no point in even trying anymore.. now that nothing is authentic.
      Although, I really hope I am wrong.

  • @FantasticOtto
    @FantasticOtto Год назад +69

    This is not something to celebrate, despite short term benefits. The incredible speed of which A.I. art has evolved guarantees that what it cannot do today, it will do tomorrow.
    A.I. art is a rehash of existing art (and no, it’s not the same as human inspiration, because that is an organic process that involves not just our absorption of art we like, but also thoughts and dreams, our observations and inspiration of the world outside of art).
    As I mentioned elsewhere here in this section, what will eventually happen is that as A.I. puts commercial artists out of business, it simultaneously dries up its sources and any further innovation that art needs to stay relevant. What is left is rehashing of already rehashed art.
    Note that this mainly will impact commercial art, since hobby artists will never stop inspiring themselves. And considering the massive lack of originality and creative innovation that already dominates the mainstream entertainment industry, I don’t think “creative” directors of the big studios will see this as anything but a miracle: Endless, lightning fast production at close to zero cost.
    So to you artists who see this as a benefit to your art, I’d like to ask the following: What will you do the day A.I does everything (and I mean everything) “better” than you, and the developers of your tools either cancels further development and devote themselves entirely to A.I. software?

    • @Akaynonek
      @Akaynonek Год назад +23

      Feels like people are too short sighted and optimistic...

    • @voidmain7902
      @voidmain7902 Год назад +2

      Except that AI has 0 accountability and you can't fire an AI for putting AI smudges on your company brand.
      Human is still irreplaceable no matter how good AI is at producing high quality garbage.

    • @FantasticOtto
      @FantasticOtto Год назад +3

      @@voidmain7902 You forget that art directors will still be telling the A.I. what to do. If there are details they’re not happy with, all they need to is modify the instructions and voila; seconds later a new piece.
      I do however also expect human art directors to be replaced. We humans are creatures of habit; there are patterns to what we like. Machine learning will eventually produce bots that will predict what storylines, art styles, etc will have the most likelihood of becoming popular.
      Professional creativity will die a long and slow death. But die it will.

    • @voidmain7902
      @voidmain7902 Год назад +3

      ​@@FantasticOtto The thing is even "mainstream entertainment" art pieces have personal touches to it while still being somewhat consistent to a core style. In the end it's a person who creates instead of AI. So until the day that AI can be creative on their own (which I didn't see any hints of it yet despite that various huge breakthroughs happened), it won't totally make a job die.
      Also even if they somewhat magically became creative, accountability came into play. So the "dying of a job" it brings would probably act more as a paradigm shift instead of literally dying.
      Not to mention that the instant this became a reality, there will be a category split and more and more people will seek for "human touches" instead of purely AI generated garbage. Just like how people likes to get organic and all natural foods when additives are the king of food makings.
      So simply put, short term impact due to corporate greed? You should prepare for that. However it won't "kill" anything permanently, only changing them.

    • @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608
      @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608 Год назад

      If AI ever becomes THAT advanced dude, everyone will be out of a job other than labour, and UBI will be necessary for us to even function as a society anymore- that or start mass killing poorer people that are not involved in physical labour.
      So I feel we would have much bigger things to worry about then lol.

  • @ddd09ish1
    @ddd09ish1 Год назад +10

    I am a professional artist
    Very uh. Specialized.
    If you want something general, cheap and quick: a
    A.i. is very effective for that.
    Ideas are valuable
    The more specific you want something though: the more difficulty you will have
    I've started incorporating a.i. into my process and for the most part it's been largely a tool for developing very advanced thumbnails, or having quick communications with clients
    I've tried, for hours, to do something directly from my mind and unless I have zero expectations or desires, I don't make what I've really wanted

    • @arlaghdoth4434
      @arlaghdoth4434 Год назад +5

      Yeah, as it currently stands, sometimes it's easier to draw things for yourself than using the AI, if the drawing involves specific perspectives, mutiple characters or needs high detailing, the AI is good for inspiration but not for a final result, I spent hours on Stable Diffusion trying to do things that I could have drawn myself in like half the time lol.

  • @bigshroom4457
    @bigshroom4457 Год назад +14

    I'm not upset about the tools but rather the greed and toxicity that comes along with it. I love AI and I'm more than happy to include it in my workflow. But the problem comes when pretentious people pretend to be artists and put down other artists that do actual work, then companies lay off artists for art that's decent enough. I'm not upset about the tool, I'm upset of the people

  • @zipityzap7675
    @zipityzap7675 Год назад +30

    I think this can be a really cool tool for reference searching. Google doesn't have everything for artists as far as I'm concerned.

    • @artxgx9245
      @artxgx9245 Год назад +3

      This is how I've been using it. To help me create reference and concept art ideas which I then use to photobash or create my own with photos dropped in pureref.

    • @zipityzap7675
      @zipityzap7675 Год назад +3

      @@artxgx9245 Ikr Its useful too bad many don't see that way. By 'many' I meant non-artists. They are way more concerned about us than ourselves XD.

  • @ImCurrentlyNaked
    @ImCurrentlyNaked Год назад +22

    Did you try img2img when trying to make backgrounds and such? It seems to be far more "controllable" than ordinary text prompts.
    I like your optimism regarding this stuff, so many people have become dispirited from it. Personally I think it's an interesting tool, but I think it's development is going to stall hard very soon, if it hasn't already, but all the same it's going to be integrated into people's work flow from now on.

  • @virtuosyc
    @virtuosyc Год назад +59

    4:46 I wonder if this is true. The images AI can create can be terrifyingly beautiful. And of course, it's hard for them to copy a style right now, but the art still looks impressive. In a sense, it seems as if they are creating their own style instead of just copying it. You're right, the original is better and has to exist in the first place so that AI can learn from it, yet I can't be helped but feel anxious about the evolution of Art. At 5:23 you say the most significant change will be the references used, but I think the references themselves already look pretty good. What if people just start posting AI art or paint over it a little and claim it as their own? I know, it's exciting for many people to have great accessible art like that, although I fear that the tradition and value of creating art could get continuously lost in the future as it's a long and tedious process, even with digital programs like Photoshop or CSP.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +29

      Yeah! Honest answer is we don't know yet. But to your second point I feel is kind of a Syndrome from The Incredibles situation: "..and when every one is a super hero, then nobody will be". If everyone is posting A.I art, it might end up all looking just the same. That's when traditional artists' work will gain value!
      I'm both anxious and excited for the future too!

    • @carso1500
      @carso1500 Год назад +3

      And thanks to Photoshop, CSP and the internet drawing is easier than it has ever been which is why we are seeing an explosión in artists everywhere, and before that the revolution of having art schools to pass on the techniques and develop them lead to an explosión or artists and their skills (i mean just compare medieval art to everything created during the renaissance)
      We are living on a new revolution probably bigger than even computers and the internet, but at the end of the day AI is just a tool, learn to use it and leverage it's power and you will ride this revolution into new heights, don't and you will get left behind
      We arent painting in cave walls with crushed insects after all

    • @Sereblox
      @Sereblox Год назад +3

      @@ManuMercurial why will it gain value tho

    • @Smincor
      @Smincor Год назад +13

      @@Sereblox the only point I can think of for increasing value of manually created art pieces is authenticity, as some folks has said before me, photography didn't really kill artists that do portraits, because some people still want the novelty or niche quality of having a painted portrait.
      Some say why learn math when there are calculators and solvers? Some say why blacksmith a sword when you can get a gun? Why get a manually created painting when you can get a photo, or a print of it, or have an AI generated piece?
      There is no advantage in having something dated, but the novelty of having something like that is really cool for some anyway.
      Value isn't really objectively defined, rather it's from subjective perspectives from individual people. You may not find more value in traditional or even digital paintings done manually, and countless people may agree with you. But keep in mind that countless others think otherwise, so there is still merit in manually created art, and that merit won't come from opportunists seeking the shortest path, or from spectacle seekers, but from the people that respect the skill of manually created art, and love to create.

    • @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608
      @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608 Год назад

      Tbf if someone paints over a piece of AI generated art, unless they have the skills to improve it in which case it would be theirs imo, it would just be worse and so what? Someone now spent hours making something worse, who cares if they claim it as their own- when their styles shift every time they make something it would be immediately clear what they were doing and the public would roast them for it.

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад +2

    10:23 you can find keywords that have the concept style or use image prompts. For example, Midjourney recognizes all of the guides from Ravnica (except Selesnya). Rakdos will give you red and black demonic looking styles, Orzhov will be ghostly and bleak, Simic will be green mutated science, Izzet will be blue and red with lightning and dragons... Etc.

  • @capy4792
    @capy4792 10 месяцев назад +3

    1 year ago... HOW. Yeah, I'm sad and afraid about the idea that being friendly about the AI's is aging like milk.
    Edit: Imo it doesn't make sense that as artists we still keeping friendly and optimistic about AI's knowing that if we still being passive about them then no one else will give a shit about what happens to artists and art, (I mean there are already a lot of companies preaching stand for "art and creativity" that actually don't give a fuck about using the art of thousand of artists without their permission to train their AI's, for worse, the situation is already so fucked up that they don't even care about publicly stealing content from renowned artists like Loish; AND EVEN WORSE, what I just mentioned *_is not even close_* to be the worst problem of what is *already happening*).
    The companies only care about the money, and when it comes to content and media, most of the people will priorize their entertainment, then sadly, even keeping our work as something unique, genuine and superior compared to anything made by an AI is still not enough to overcome the overproduction of content that AI's can generate, so that just *_can't_* be the only part of the solution.
    And yes, being realistic, the AI's will continue to stay, that sucks, _but because of that and because of what I already say, is that we have from now on to start taking drastic measures to restrict their use and reduce their damage._ So I repeat myself, if we don't start taking a drastic atittud and measures, then they will continue to trample on us.

    • @Jimmy-mv4ov
      @Jimmy-mv4ov 3 месяца назад +1

      I've seen too much hen... sci-fi movies to know how this is going.
      But seriously it feels refreshing to see someone sharing the same sentiment. Almost all friendly arguments I see is banking on the tech not evolving rapidly, while it literally evolved from non-existent to human replacers in a few years🤣. And also yes, we've seen so much how companies will do to employees to maximize profits above all so I'd be very scared if my art is tied to a corporate employer.
      One thing that really angers me dearly is how normal people treat "referencing" harshly while embracing AI. Shirabi(しらび), one of my favorite artists who probably is most well known from his official works on the 86 novels, once shown a supposedly downloaded work that he found for free to use as references during a stream and got completely bashed and had to apologize publicly. In less than a few years you have this machine that literally pulls images from the web regardless of copyright in hundreds and thousands without permission and mixed them like a mixer and the general sentiment is wow this is the next big thing and companies swarming in. Beyond double standards man.

    • @tigerfestivals5137
      @tigerfestivals5137 Месяц назад

      Yeah bro literally interviews some prompter and calls him an "AI artist" like what. Shame, this guy's tutorials seemed good.

  • @QueenMasumi
    @QueenMasumi Год назад +50

    I used an ai art to understand and paint portraits since it is obligated to detect these key points. Let me tell you, I have been learning and trying to understand how composition works with painting portraits. The AI finally had me understand as I referenced and used it for an OC (original character of mine). All these months of me learning were pointless until I used an AI that had me understand so quickly…I am mad but happy at the same time! Please, do not bash the Ai, the Ai can be used for reference, not a competition or replacement.

    • @brainbomb.
      @brainbomb. Год назад +5

      You think they won't try to use it for replacement?

    • @QueenMasumi
      @QueenMasumi Год назад +2

      @@brainbomb. As an artist myself. Not really cause people are psychological, if isn’t created by someone it’s not “real art”. Especially how people are going about it, and how they are making it a bad thing, if it was the opposite. Most likely it would have been. However, even if it did. Artist who draw in a specific field like Nsfw, traditional, furries, and some other forms will be fine as a daisy. I am Nsfw artist and a artist who draws furries, but like to draw people in a more realistic anime style. I do not care about it taking over, it doesn’t effect me and my hobbies. Besides the Ai will be referencing very popular artist and mashing them up, it won’t reference smaller artist. Companies are too scared to even approach that in a business model. To risky.

    • @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608
      @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608 Год назад

      @@QueenMasumi I get what you are saying but things evolve and become more commonplace over time, just keep that in mind. With that being said, yeah I mean furry artists for example may use AI to generate a character for themselves, really like it, tweak it with AI, have an artist or two paid to make them something with it, get a feel for it- and then suddenly they don't want the AI versions anymore. They want a picture from a well known NSFW artist because it is THAT artist, not just the look of the final image but who made it and how. There are less known artists that don't get much money who are BETTER than some of the big names, but the names sell.
      AI can make replicas of famous long passed artists, yet the Mona Lisa is still priceless, because of who made it, when they made it, and how significant it is.
      There are youtube channels of illustrators who draw realistic 1:1 images of things they see, using wax pencil and copics and so on, and they make a living doing that. Printers exist, yet people subscribe, follow on patreons, etc... because they are enamoured with the PROCESS.
      These things are safe from AI for a long, long time. AI has actually helped me improve in some ways, it sometimes surprises me with the way it renders a material and I go "Oh shit that is amazing" and I trace it, repeat it from observation, make various situations I might use that material and reproduce it from memory. Normal reference could help too but this is more targeted, and I can take it further by having it make variations of my practice sessions, and see how it applies them and learn what will work and what doesn't, and hone it in even more.

  • @bri.n.a
    @bri.n.a Год назад +9

    I personally don't know how to feel about all these AI art generators just yet, but I gotta say, a lot of this AI art makes me queasy- not for any moral reason since like you said, it's here to stay and I gotta get used to it eventually, but rather the art I've seen looks very much uncanny valley, with their distorted faces "not objects" like at 2:34.
    The majority of the artwork generated here was surprisingly good, better than I've seen around the internet and discord servers (though they still feel weird to me), but man did that animation part made me VERY uncomfortable, especially the first one; all those eyes spiraling inward on some Junji Into shit 🤢🤢. I liken the movement to screen glitches where the frozen pixels stick on the person for a quick second; I always hated that. I doubt I could use these generators to do anything just yet, the images make my skin crawl 💀

    • @Backup439
      @Backup439 Год назад

      Now ai is better than u

  • @zbigniew2628
    @zbigniew2628 6 месяцев назад +1

    Can you record another video about it? I would like to hear your opinion after a year of development of these tools.

  • @meiv_
    @meiv_ Год назад +7

    This is a little bit scary

  • @infinityzer054
    @infinityzer054 2 месяца назад

    It’s good to survive, to evolve, to gain power (get stronger, break your limits, awaken the strongest of skills)

  • @nunoteixeiradesign
    @nunoteixeiradesign Год назад +5

    you are not the artist you are the AI client

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад +1

    9:39 midjourney supports image prompts. --iw cobtrols how much the image is weighted (make it higher) and --stylize controls how random/creative the AI gets (make it lower)

  • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
    @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Год назад +28

    I despise it, honestly. To an almost irrational degree.
    I've dreamt of being an artist since childhood. But now, when I'm old enough to pursue said dream, it has the chance to simply get mercilessly crushed by some tech guy somewhere, and I'll have to work some depressing dead-end job for the rest of my life instead. It just feels like my purpose for living is being reduced to nothing in front of me. All just because I was born too late.
    If I have to become an "Ai curator", where the Ai does most of the work and I just tweak things and pick things out, then *I am not the artist,* the Ai is. I'm simply the Ai's assistant.
    Really, think about it. Using these programs is just like commissioning someone (except you don't pay them). If you commissioned an artist with an idea, the artist would still be the artist, not the one who commissioned the piece. Just because you gave the program a description, just because you had the idea, doesn't mean you're the creator.
    There's also only so much media people can consume, and with everyone on the planet generating it, anything you'll ever do will just be buried in the endless sea of generated art, because there's no way to tell what's generated or not. That alone may just put 90% of artists out of a job (and out of a dream).
    But, of course, capitalism won't care. Why would they pay an artist when they can have an Ai just give them everything they need? And will the people care, either? I don't know.
    On top of that, there's no way to verify what is and what isn't Ai-made at the moment, and this tech gets better every day. At some point I don't see why we can't just have a "make art" button that just analyses all media ever produced and pumps out new media, no person needed.
    I can't see how, without restrictions on the technology, artists can remain. Unless I'm vastly underestimating how much people will value humanity in their art.
    I hope there will be restrictions on general usage, or restrictions on commercial use, or at the very least a baked-in digital signature in every generated piece or blockchain that traces back to each generated image informing people that it's Ai-made. (I mean hell, the internet's already flooded with people trying to pass off ai-made art as their own, and that's in these early stages).
    Without at least that, I really don't see how the profession could survive. And that saddens me deeply.
    I apologize for the long comment, I've been thinking about it a lot recently. And I hope I'm wrong, for the sake of all that is holy I really do, because it all really seems hopeless at the moment.

    • @shintori2808
      @shintori2808 Год назад +1

      and the cycle repeats.

    • @biff6346
      @biff6346 Год назад +1

      Hey man, there's still some time to make it. AI might look nice but it's not there yet and everything in life is a race to the end so don't fret and keep moving. Art is more than "making nice images", the human element is more important than ever. Just look at youtube, I don't see a lot of slideshows of nice pictures with millions of views. Same things for jobs, you will still be needed for your artistic input and a lot of companies won't make the jump to AI only until it's perfect so there's more time there too !
      Other than that, yeah I hate it too lol

  • @mayanightstar
    @mayanightstar 4 месяца назад +1

    This is such a grounded take. AI art really doesn't bother me as a professional because I know it completely lacks any nuance which is necessary to create high quality work. In fact I'm thrilled to generate a bunch of backgrounds that vaguely look like what I need them to, apply lens blur, then throw them in the background of my comic book panels to make them feel a little more grounded in reality with minimal effort. And don't even get me started on brainstorming.
    Sounds cruel but honestly it's only the crappy artists who should feel threated by AI. AI art has no soul. It's only the artists doing work with no soul (they're pursuing fame, copying other work the admire, etc) who are going to be replaced, at least for now.

    • @tigerfestivals5137
      @tigerfestivals5137 Месяц назад

      I've seen it copy lively and interesting styles too. You're not safe.

  • @Iamwolf134
    @Iamwolf134 11 месяцев назад +1

    And now, with the advent of controlnet, open pose, & LORAs, people can take their character art to new levels of convenience.

  • @annathenagitostan3092
    @annathenagitostan3092 Год назад +104

    AI isn't making everyone happy it's making everyone more miserable.

    • @flynntaggart7216
      @flynntaggart7216 Год назад +8

      No

    • @breewashere
      @breewashere Год назад +12

      Speak for yourself Anna.

    • @kino8350
      @kino8350 Год назад +8

      it's making me happy, stop crying about it.

    • @moonethealien
      @moonethealien Год назад +17

      Ai Art should solely be used for paint overs, inspiration, or a neat party trick. Clicking save image is not art 😂

    • @maiskorrel
      @maiskorrel Год назад +3

      AI has the ability to change how we work and live, which can be hard for some people. But it can also be helpful in many ways, such as by doing boring or dangerous jobs for us, giving us information and education, and making healthcare better. It's not true that AI only makes people unhappy or only makes people happy. There are good and bad parts to it.

  • @kinginyellow3100
    @kinginyellow3100 11 месяцев назад +2

    nothing beats convinence. Even if its not a 1 to 1 most people dont care about ai or artist work they just want something cool or cute to look at.

  • @Scott356-m2u
    @Scott356-m2u Год назад +16

    Midjourney is amazing! I've been using it to create art to go with my fanfiction. I pay $30 for unlimited art. I love it but I know it's going to effect artists. My husband was impressed with the art but did say "well that takes the talent out of art". He isn't wrong.

    • @FantasticOtto
      @FantasticOtto Год назад +11

      And don’t forget that the A.I can only produce by imitation. Which means if it puts artists out of business, it dries up its source of “inspiration”. After that, it will just rehash what has been produced up until that point. Sure, great sources for art, but innovation will stop and art will die. Commercial art that is.

    • @tomatoorphan6166
      @tomatoorphan6166 Год назад +3

      This is a terrible world to live in.

    • @_BubblGum_
      @_BubblGum_ 7 месяцев назад

      yup, i dont see myself getting a job anytime soon if ai keeps developing… rip my hopes and dreams.

  • @elepot5168
    @elepot5168 11 месяцев назад

    you could use controlnet(normals produced by a 3D software to control framing and segementation for controlling specific object placements), and train a lora for each scene in the animation to make consistency. It will be a lot of work, and it probabaly will be more efficient to just draw the background(for the current techonolgy, who knows how fast it grows), but it is possible.
    i guess the development of controlnet is actually a good thing for artists, cause it's not like every person that can type can produce great artwork with controlnet. It needs skills of sketching, composition and color theory. I think it could massivily speed up artist's workflow, but production companies still can't ditch out artists entirely because they won't have the initial control image otherwise.

  • @Amalga_Heart
    @Amalga_Heart Год назад +31

    Honestly, this is the best take on this I've seen. I really do think a lot of people are making all sorts of assumptions and jumping to conclusions, and in most cases, without ACTUALLY trying it. And by "trying it" I dont mean "got three images out of three prompts". I mean REALLY trying it. I decided out of nowhere to give Midjourney a go a few days ago... havent had my account long yet, but once I saw the tech in action, I was super intrigued, so I signed up. I did some prompts, just some random stuff for fun, and while it was cool and all... it wasnt anything special. So, I decided... let's REALLY have a go at it. Not just like 50 seperate images in one day. Let's focus on ONE thing for awhile, and see where I might end up after doing so.
    So, I set out to design a character... something I normally never do, as it's one of the things I struggle with, and I never found the process enjoyable before... just irritating. So how would it work here? Well, after 3 straight days of constantly working on this ONE prompt/concept, a bazillion iterations, revamps, dead ends, total redos, yada yada yada... I finally had a result. ONE result. Not like, 600 images that I'd throw all over the place while claiming that they were all finished products. Just one. All the screwball images that led up to it? They were just the "process" that led me to this one final image.
    Finally, I had a character I really, genuinely liked, that actually felt special to me. Like, really special. And here's the thing: I know there are people who would hear that and think that now, I'd just do things this way from now on because it's "easy" (though in all honesty I actually found the process amazingly frustrating). But to that I say... no. The AI cant take that same character and do more with her. It's not what it does, it's not what it's designed for. Any attempts to do so will distort and mutate that central image, because that's literally what MJ is designed to do.... iterate. And that wouldnt be much fun in any case. So if I want more of this character of mine, I gotta take her elsewhere.
    And I tell ya, I havent been this fired up to improve my actual physical drawing skills in... well, years. Because now, I have this character I want to work with and evolve and so on. I'm so excited to see where I might be able to take this character, and how she might change as I keep making things that involve her. But I gotta level up myself if I wanna REALLY do that to the level that I'm hoping to.
    And I've realized after all of that... this really is just a tool. That's all it is. And yeah, there's gonna be people being lazy about it, people using it to cheat somehow, stuff like that. But I think any real artists using this are absolutely not going to just type a prompt in and take the first result they get. They're gonna sit there, put real time and effort into it, and once they're done, they're gonna take their result and do even more with it. And it's not going to stop them from wanting to make other types of art, either. They'll still paint, they'll still draw... those things arent going away. This is just another tool in the box.
    Not that there wont be issues, of course. There's ALWAYS going to be issues when you introduce something big and new like this. But that's how it always goes. The trick is to adapt along with it, instead of standing off to the side screaming at anyone that tries to interact with it (which is what far too many are currently doing).
    That's just my thoughts on it anyway.
    Seriously though, excellent video.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +4

      Thank you for watching it and for sharing your story! I feel you, I've actually been drawing WAY MORE, trying to improve my drawing skills since I started using this technology.
      Pretty excited for what it will allow us small creators to accomplish.

    • @sonictailsandsally
      @sonictailsandsally Год назад

      Something very similar happened when 3D was introduced - as either a supplement or replacement for traditional 2D works. Now studios craftily integrating 3D into traditional 2D pipelines with some awe-inspiring results. I believe AI-GI is just the next installment.

  • @biomuseum6645
    @biomuseum6645 Год назад +23

    22:41 this part is like saying, “I know there’s poverty, so let’s make a video game where you’re rich and the problem is solved”
    sadly, the thing that made art beautiful is that not anyone was able to do it
    I get the good intentions of making everything “for everyone”, but some things must remain exclusive, either for conserving their value or for you to push yourself high in order to achieve them, we’re not all born artists, just like we’re not all born medics, lawyers, teachers or singers, and that’s totally fine, if we had all the same talents no single person will be important
    Nowadays, if people isn’t making art, is mostly because they’re lazy, because with so much videos, pdf books online, cheap instructors, cheap materials, if you’re not an artist, is likely because you simply don’t even want

  • @kinginyellow3100
    @kinginyellow3100 11 месяцев назад +12

    you cant be called an artist if you used AI thats like calling yourself a cook using doordash.

    • @Very_Silly_Individual
      @Very_Silly_Individual 10 месяцев назад +3

      I think that's a perfect example of a false equivalency

  • @fangfirebird100
    @fangfirebird100 5 месяцев назад +1

    Yeah the problem is that these images can't be copyrighted so are risky to use in commissioned artwork. I would not add any part of AI to a commission.

  • @32nkdhdhekqki
    @32nkdhdhekqki Год назад +1

    I hated it when i first heard about it now I use it for my drawings and paintings it a really good tool for references I won't have to scroll through Google for hours anymore to find photos but it does bother me that people are making these and selling them as their art and its just a degrading to artist everywhere when someone can get so much praise and recognition for something they didn't do and never spent anytime at all developing their skill you can't just magically be good at drawing or painting ect. It takes time and years of dedication and a lot of beautiful mistakes you learn from as you go typing in what you want to see and having a computer spit it out and then calling that your art, people who do that are wannabes, self-centered, lazy hacks, they want all the clout without putting in any of the work.

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад

    9:59 'rule of thirds' In a prompt will help Midjourney focus a subject.

  • @JMulvy
    @JMulvy Год назад +2

    "Will not reproduce the same image twice." That is not 100% accurate. If the software lets you define the seed (random number between 1 - 1M) and you use the same exact seed with the exact same prompt you will get the exact same image every time. Researchers have already proven this and they have already proven that you can in fact make exact pixel by pixel replicas of images it has been fed. They only proved this recently but if you use the same exact seed you will get identical results because the seed is the "randomized variable" that the software bases all of it's subsequent calculations upon.
    Nothing in the world of technology is truly random. A software may randomize a hidden sequence but then it will play through that sequence in succession. It is not picking a random number every time, unless you tell it to initialize another process of randomization after each result it gives you, but then the caveat in programming it that way is you run into the possibility of it using the same number two (or more) times in a row.
    The software is more of an artist than the person using it. If anything they are acting more as a designer, not an actual creator of art. (edited because I was being too dismissive but kept the emojis so it is more easily identifiable).

  • @ethansmith7608
    @ethansmith7608 Год назад +1

    I just realized i meant to say stable diffusion at 18:14 whoops!

    • @teteotolis
      @teteotolis Год назад +2

      Don't worry about it xD
      Awesome work Ethan !

  • @Ash-kn8oc
    @Ash-kn8oc 3 месяца назад +2

    11:59 yeah right, but not in the way you imagine 😒

  • @prettyspectrum6371
    @prettyspectrum6371 Год назад

    Yay new video

  • @elementiro
    @elementiro Год назад +1

    I love how merely 9 months after release like half of things said about what AI can't do in this video is not true anymore.

  • @SketchPLAY1
    @SketchPLAY1 4 месяца назад +1

    I wonder what Craig Mullins thinks of A.I art.

  • @tiagosousa6945
    @tiagosousa6945 Год назад +1

    Imagine this 5 years from now. Human beings just got obsolete.

  • @madgepickles
    @madgepickles Год назад

    What is the song playing in the background at 16:51? I must have it!! 🙏🙏🙏

  • @sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608

    9:40
    #1 Has been solved. You can do a barebones perspective sketch, or even use a 3D input from something you made with google sketchup or anything else and it will almost 1:1 it.
    #2 Same as above, but requires manual editing and painting of many things still it can't get them all. Someday however, it will do this for sure because it already can get -most- of them if you know what you are doing.
    #3 I think we are already in the process of solving this. We can already rotate characters 3D and generate cohesive results, so I mean, the same logic should apply to backgrounds. AI is also able to make 360 degree rotoscope images, merge two things into one and match the style for both sides, etc. So this isn't there yet I agree but we will get there in our lifetimes for sure. We may even e measuring in years not decades on that.
    11:55
    #1 Oh yeah Dall-E man try stable diffusion local installed or 1111 web-ui with controlnet and such; also need a dedicated trained model file. You can do a lot better with that right now things are already WAY more advanced than when you made this video. It can't do everything you talk about here, but it can do some of it already, and more is in development already.
    I get most of what you are saying in this video, but I think you are grossly underestimating how fast the technology is evolving and being improved on. If you ever find the time, I would love to see you touch on this again sometime I am curious if any of your feelings have changed since making this.

  • @bunnyteeth365
    @bunnyteeth365 Год назад +1

    I use image to image more and I hardly ever use pure prompting. Since I use image to image, my prompts are often very simple and I often use bullshit words. I hardly ever use artist names to avoid copying something too closely or looking too generic.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      yeah using images is a great way to guarantee the result will be original!

  • @mycollegeshirt
    @mycollegeshirt Год назад +1

    I love Leyendecker.

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад

    21:22 Midjourney already takes image prompts. Just add a url.

  • @pestiss2458
    @pestiss2458 Год назад +8

    I'm not so certain you could still embrace AI the minute it starts being able to animate properly.

    • @eegernades
      @eegernades Год назад +2

      It starting to animate. Animator here, don't care. Use it to make more money.

    • @pestiss2458
      @pestiss2458 Год назад +2

      @@eegernades Can you send an example where it properly animates? Because I'm an animator myself and have not seen any good examples yet. It can interpolate inbetweens, but you need to animate on two's or ones to get a decent result and usually you need to still put in a lot of work.

    • @eegernades
      @eegernades Год назад +2

      @@pestiss2458 shouldve been more clear.
      It is starting to do animation, but with the help of an actual artist and 3d models. The ai essentially makes the in-between between key poses, colored and all. But it isn't perfect yet.
      Me, I do 3d mainly, but also do 2d and rigging 2d characters to skeletons to animate.

    • @pestiss2458
      @pestiss2458 Год назад +5

      @@eegernades I'm not against the usage of AI. I am against the usage of generating animation and art from scratch, with just a prompt, because the art of thousands upon thousands of artists is being used to make those pieces. Generating inbetweens is great, I've done it myself with DAIN and RIFE (although it's far from perfect), but it's creating images based on your creative input. No art stolen in the process.

    • @MsInteresting
      @MsInteresting Год назад +7

      @@eegernades Use it to make more money? Not when everyone and practically their mom is going to be do it with just putting in some text. How creative and unique is that? Total saturation. It's already becoming overused with how it's being flooded on every social media platform nowadays, completely overpower human artist work which is messed up. It's only a matter of time before it grows old and not having that wow factor about it anymore. I can already see it in motion.

  • @courtzgarden
    @courtzgarden Год назад +1

    I only see the A.I as tool for artists to use not something that will replace artists. Imo

  • @jademonass2954
    @jademonass2954 Год назад +1

    ai images cant have copyright from what i understand, so theres never going to be monetary transactions when ai art is involved
    like the steampunk harleyquinn, NO corporation would clearly use ai generated designs for their products because they cant copyright it
    the problem is identifying the ai art and where it is used

  • @neversoart
    @neversoart 11 месяцев назад

    Issue is though, sure people can put words into a generator and get an artwork that looks nice, however, it takes an artist to know what makes it perfect, especially when lots of images are generated. You have to have knowledge and skill to know what makes a good artwork and to be able to critique the AI art.
    Also what if the AI image is exactly what you want however the hand is off or you just want something changed, an artist will have to go in and fix it.
    So basically, AI will absolutely not get rid of the artist as they are still needed in the process of generating the art, be it to critique it and make it perfect for a client or even just being part of the AI learning process.
    Note: legality is still a major issue in AI art as the images used to create it are copyrighted. I feel like some laws are coming it's way soon.

  • @alinerdelav
    @alinerdelav Год назад

    Que bonito hablaste del ai. Igual como artists pienso lo mismo

  • @JuystaFan
    @JuystaFan Год назад +2

    Just wait until AI art turns into AI generated movies.

  • @ethansmith7608
    @ethansmith7608 Год назад +7

    Had a great time being a part of this! Thanks for having me on!

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      Thanks for being a part of this Ethan, it was an honor to have you!

    • @krysidian
      @krysidian Год назад +1

      Thanks for bringing AI models like DiscoDiffusion closer to us. Your stuff has been a huge help for learning all the Terminology and settings.

  • @robooto6476
    @robooto6476 Год назад +1

    Awesome video, Manu!
    You tempted me even more to test around with it!

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад

      Roberto! So nice to see you here! Go for it, if you need any help let me know!

  • @justanothercatinside
    @justanothercatinside Год назад

    13:00 el mezclador de pokemones JASDJGHBAETH

  • @TiagoTiagoT
    @TiagoTiagoT Год назад +1

    And in just a matter of months Stable Diffusion became the most relevant... No way to tell what things will be like an year from now...

  • @jdoe27
    @jdoe27 Год назад +7

    I have mixed feelings about this (like most everyone else I think). I feel like a great thing has been given to humanity, but that something, perhaps even greater, has been taken away. You know what I mean?

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Год назад +15

      It devalues humanity itself, in a sense.
      Our passion, time, and incredible effort, snuffed out by a machine.
      Skill and experience is one of the most respectable things a human can achieve. And the creators of these programs are in a way working to make it as obsolete as possible.
      It's pretty demoralizing. ):

    • @johntowers1213
      @johntowers1213 Год назад +3

      Mixed feelings is very understandable, its really just another expression of a long history humanity has had with radical rapid change and the dislocating effect it has on those caught in the middle.
      At the dawn of the industrial revolution we saw the birth of the Luddites, British weavers and textile workers who objected to the increased use of mechanized looms and knitting frames. Most were trained artisans who had spent years learning their craft, and they feared that unskilled machine operators were robbing them of their livelihood.where a few desperate weavers began breaking into factories and smashing textile machines. But ultimately they were swept aside by the unstoppable march of progress.
      This I think is where we're at now, just like the industrial revolution upended the societies it swept through so will this new machine learning revolution sweep through our own wrecking traditional occupations left and right but also bringing in massive benefits to the community at large...for us its a painful transition but for those that come after it will be seen as a monumental uplifting of humanity..

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Год назад +4

      ​@@johntowers1213
      I think that struggle to learn and to develop a craft is very healthy, if not required for people to stay sane. We'll see what effect it'll have. Perhaps people will simply stop caring about art, and see it as an entertaining distraction to pass time.
      Either way, at the end of the day, I don't know if it'll be an uplifting. Where there previously were dedicated artisan weavers there are now horrid sweatshops and masses of fragile, mass-produced clothing. God forbid art goes the same way.

    • @jdoe27
      @jdoe27 Год назад +1

      @@johntowers1213 I would say there certainly is an aspect of that. The comparison made to the Luddites is an apt one for sure. I would, however, argue that this goes an order of magnitude beyond that. At least the way I see it. For all of our history of 200,000 years, the creation of art has been something that was unique to humans. Something that was solely within the domain of human capabilites. Untill now.
      Art has been something that we humans have ascribed almost spiritual signifigance to for a long long time. Something we used, though perhaps falsely, to convince ourselves of our own signifigance in the bigger scheme of things. It was something that some times the more troubled among us would turn to in order to find a kind of meaning in their lives. I wonder if that kind of path will be availabe to outsiders and misfits of future generations. What kind of a world will it be when humans are truly obsolete and there´s nothing left for us to do? Will we finally be happy then?
      Maybe. I´m sot so sure though. I´m not sure progress is always for the best, though I´m not foolish enough to think you can stop it. I do, however, think that we should take great care to guide the ebb and flow of it so that it facilitates human flourishing rather than snuff us out.

  • @D3cker1
    @D3cker1 Год назад +11

    Uncreative laziness... the McDonalds' of art creation
    Perfect for todays "artist".

  • @1805movie
    @1805movie Год назад +5

    I really wish I can share your enthusiasm, but I can't. It's still leaching off other people's art without their consent, and that, to me, is completely unethical. If it was using public domain images, then there wouldn't be a problem. I'm all for using different tools to create things, but not if it's out of the expense of other people's work or careers. To me, it's a glorified Google search at best, and it feels like it's providing a solution to a problem that never existed in the first place.

  • @jalenhart7651
    @jalenhart7651 11 месяцев назад

    To your mid video question, You are the commissioner. Basically what you are doing is the same as someone asking to have a picture drawn for them. “Hey can you draw me a picture of my dog with a bow tie please”

  • @krysidian
    @krysidian Год назад +4

    This video put so many thoughts of mine into words. Despite my worries of AI and slight fear of being supplanted as an upcoming artist I want to embrace AI as much as possible and stay the one in charge, be the one with the idea.
    AI has been an inspiration machine for me and I've used to as such and for reference quite a lot for quite a few years now. But now it seems to improve at a rapid pace and possibilities start to open up tremendously.
    Perhaps raw AI output (unchanged) can be defined as public domain and if the prompter does more manual changes do it, gives even more creative input or uses it in a bigger project than that endresult can be bound to that artist. But that's just an idea for copyright (which is a mess in itself already)
    I think everyone should work towards a strong synergy between artist and AI. Where new kinds of art and new genres will be born instead of just replication.
    Awareness about AI is important and I think we all need to prepare ourselves for whatever the future may hold. And let's try to make it a bright and creative one.
    Also great interview with Ethan Smith and also a big thanks to him. His documentation about DiscoDiffusion has been a huuuge help for me.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад

      Thank you Krysidian! Happy to hear you enjoyed the interview too!

  • @shaquielleemptage1888
    @shaquielleemptage1888 Год назад

    really good video!! puts me at ease with certain things indeed

  • @wigger4942
    @wigger4942 Год назад +9

    I use this amazing tool for infinite references and inspiration also as a base for an overpaint, atm I using a ai image and photobashing it and painting over it after then I’ll animate it, making it into my own piece, it makes my workflow so much better, this has a low and high skill ceiling this is probably the best artistic medium, a great tool for all artist

  • @Fefs-yi1gf
    @Fefs-yi1gf Год назад +12

    as an starting artists this is very unsettling to me, but i guess there's no other way than embrace the change, not sure how tho

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +8

      I see it as an opportunity to give it a try, and if you like it, develop skills that will allow you to take it to the next level! (Which are the same fundamentals; anatomy, color and light, perspective) but more focused towards building on top of the AI.
      OR completely disregard it and do your own thing. No one is forced to use this tech, and while here I'm presenting a lot of good examples, I hope you can also see its limits, and where our fingerprint as artists comes in. That which the computer can't understand or imitate.
      I know these can be scary times, the first days I played with these programs I couldn't even sleep. But the more I used them, the more I saw them for what they are. Tools. And I would rather live in a world where we have them, and they allow us to create amazing things much more easily. There's a lot of advantages to this, and there will probably be a lot of adjusting for us artists too. Let's see what happens!
      This are exciting times!

    • @Fefs-yi1gf
      @Fefs-yi1gf Год назад +6

      @@ManuMercurial Thanks for the insightful response! yes, after giving it some thought I can see the potential benefits, I was just feeling overwhelmed by it. I agree these are exciting times, I'll try to tackle the issue with a broader mindset. Gracias amigo

    • @theapexfighter8741
      @theapexfighter8741 Год назад

      Imagine what the next 10 years will bring. 5 years ago we were mocking A.I for not even drawing a face right. Now we are shitting our pants. Another 5 years of evolution and these programmers might as well kill art.

  • @OmegaGlops
    @OmegaGlops Год назад

    21:33 I'm from 2 months in the future! That's a thing now! 😆

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      I know HAHA a ton of stuff here already happened. This ride is going so fast!

  • @theapexfighter8741
    @theapexfighter8741 Год назад

    I really want to be an illustrator… I’m not sure now. What should I do?

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      As I mentioned in my closing thoughts I believe A.I will not be able to draw/paint like You or me specifically. Sure it can copy famous artists and it'll get better at that. But what you bring to the table (the way you draw, the way you paint) only you can do, and if its something that interests you I feel it is worth doing it! Otherwise that voice will be lost.
      Another thing you can do is embrace this technology and use it as a part of your process, not as the final piece, but as a building step. Give it a try and see how you feel. The more I've used A.I to create art the more I see it as a tool that will allow us small creators to tell our stories with less resources and I'm all for it.
      I think illustrators will need to adapt to use this tool in the future, but like 3D did to 2D, we still don't know what new opportunities will open because of this. Its early to tell but I've come to the conclusion where I rather live in a world that has this tech, than one that doesn't.

  • @zzzdbsgh
    @zzzdbsgh Год назад +11

    That image you got from using ilya's art style at 4:33 and jamie hewlett's at 4:40 is already looking better than the original for me and it bothers me. If it is this simple and quick to produce great art, we're leading towards a place where art will become less and less valuable as a resource. Competing for concept artist jobs especially, will change dramatically since everyone will be able to produce high level artistry in mere seconds. The privilege of titling oneself as an artist will become questionable and I feel like quality art itself will become so abundant like dust in the wind. It's different from when artists started expressionism movement to fight against photography because this time we're up against A.I that can imagine and produce just like human beings. I guess the only choice an artist can make now is to join forces with the A.I.

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 Год назад

      Or you can not.
      Hopefully people will find value in human-made things, there is still a chance for that.

  • @fab137
    @fab137 Год назад +7

    Good video but a bit dishonest man… typing prompt as a skill is in no way comparable to what it actually takes to make pieces like these…
    What a bleak situation artists are in…

  • @biomuseum6645
    @biomuseum6645 Год назад

    Where are you? Post something 😞

  • @vince-1337
    @vince-1337 Год назад +4

    You have a really great philosophy about it! I hope they will level up the skill of Ai in first place, for help to achieve boring task of concept artist. The mimic in "style of" is clearly not a priority.
    This quote about your own adventure in the research of your art style and view of life is so true. Ai can't do that. It's still a powerful tool, right, but an experienced artist will always have huge advantages (colors, design, composition choice, retouch on PS... ) compared to a random person who just put words on a discord

  • @ErraticbyNature
    @ErraticbyNature Год назад +3

    This is what a month? 2 months ago? yeah, don't panic but as of today. somebody just did AI kjg's work

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +3

      I know right? It's still incredibly far from being something that can even "imitate" KJG's work. But it might be able to do it someday.
      That doesn't change the fact we needed KJG to develop that style for that model to even exist.
      It can't replace you if your art stands out from the rest! Since you are the reason that art style even exists in the first place. That's why I think it is worth it to keep developing our skills to have our on voice in the art world. A voice everyone can recognize.
      Even if then people train a model to copy it, we could just use it too to produce more work faster. Nobody can't take away what YOU bring to the table!

  • @Philosophy.and.Tostitos
    @Philosophy.and.Tostitos Год назад +6

    The trouble with AI art is that for the time being it's just a recombinator of stolen pixel patterns. This is art theft on an industry-wide scale, and I kind of wish this video had dwelt more on that. Millions of artists had their work taken from them for the profit of a tiny handful of plutocrats in the tech industry.
    Artists are sadly the canary in the coalmine for this type of technology. If artists don't step up and instigate efforts to regulate this thing, it could destroy the livelihoods of massive swathes of people across all the creative and intellectual professions.
    So my hope is for all this to be regulated soon.
    Also, if at some point an ethical AI art generator - built on principles such as consent, credit, and compensation for artists - were invented, I would be happy to use that as a tool in my creative workflow. Just throwing a thought out there.

    • @BinaryDood
      @BinaryDood 11 месяцев назад

      There is no such thing as an ethical AI generator. A copyright free database? Seems like giving powder to the arguments of tech bros. You can't ethically replace artists.

    • @gondoravalon7540
      @gondoravalon7540 10 месяцев назад

      @@BinaryDood Companies choose to use tech to replace people. The tools themselves don't. It seems stupid to blame these tools for how corporations use them.

  • @zerog4879
    @zerog4879 Год назад +3

    All the limitations you mentioned are the limits of the current AI, this is not the final form, 2 yrs ago people would say AI would not be as good as the current version, the goalpost always keeps shifting. AI physics simulation, DNA/medical/virus research, Ray tracing all these would look impossible few years back. I'm sure in the future Midjourney could be programmed to work on the same seed, and change camera angles, add/remove single objects, etc. Also Midjourney is not the Bible or end-game, working through prompt is only one way of making art, there will be other softwares that do it differently, might even be a new programming language or even neuralink. This is only the beginning, its like looking at a glider and thinking its peak airplane.

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      23:50 Please check out this part of the video

  • @teteotolis
    @teteotolis Год назад +4

    Very informative and enjoyable!
    There's so much misunderstanding going on with ai and your video is a great way to explain to someone why they shouldn't be afraid of it!

  • @uwuowo6891
    @uwuowo6891 Год назад

    It developed by 8 months, did you changed your opinion?😢

  • @TrC450
    @TrC450 Год назад +1

    This is just babysteps in this technology. As an artist you can see how a lot of the image is made at the moment all the prompts are simply a copy. Granted, it uses multiple references (way more than a human would) and achieves an incredible amount of detail, as if a single person spent tirelessly equal amount of efficient time in a single picture.
    We are going to see massive improvements the very moment AI starts understanding 3D forms from 2D copy, starts understanding color theory, aesthetics, composition, symmetry and tens of other skills related to making good art/painting.
    In short, as impressive as it is at the moment, it is only using 2 skills (perception of detail and adapting references) out of tens available. It will be amazing in the future.

  • @hotaru-ic5ut
    @hotaru-ic5ut 5 месяцев назад

    Feels like ai takes away the fun part of creating art ngl but it can provide ideas to your pieces being references. As work though Ig it would be more efficient.. If you love your art and personal style though use it as reference and go all in to practice your personal projects. Atleast this is my opinion

  • @biomuseum6645
    @biomuseum6645 Год назад +5

    This is the reason we shouldn’t put all art, books and music on the internet, in other words, every part of humanity
    Because if not everything is online then machines will not be as smart as if we put all our eggs in the same basket

  • @hat4595
    @hat4595 Год назад +2

    You actually changed my mind on this comparing the imitation to human legends 😂

  • @asdrubalpc14
    @asdrubalpc14 Год назад +1

    Buenísimo Manu

  • @Agony.
    @Agony. Год назад +2

    Yup, its all downhill from here

  • @justinwhite2725
    @justinwhite2725 Год назад

    13:45 this is where dall e and mj have different strengths. I'm definitely going to bring my MJ art into dall e for the 'outpainting' feature.
    Edit 12:55 gonna have to try 'wide shot', thanks!

  • @katerrrr4
    @katerrrr4 Год назад +1

    Manu mercurial intro music?

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +2

      Hi Daniel Reyna! It is a song I made, I will be uploading it to this channel soon, working on the full version as we speak glad you like it!

    • @katerrrr4
      @katerrrr4 Год назад +1

      @@ManuMercurial I'm really looking forward to it, I can't get the music out of my head and it's only a part of it.
      lots of cheers manus we love you very much

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад +1

      @@katerrrr4

  • @lucidhost3523
    @lucidhost3523 Год назад +1

    6 months too old, ye it will replace artists not like a mirror but more like an original clone that being said people will evolve and thorough those days the ones who can't will fall simple as that

  • @mariannacorreia8750
    @mariannacorreia8750 11 месяцев назад +2

    "Who put this bed up there? Only AI could do this" absolutely not. It looks meaningful to you cause you're human. AI cannot deliberate anything, just scrap forms that will statistically please you based on your feeding into the system with prompts and feedbacks. With all due respect, a AI "artist" is not making art. Art consists on deliberate decisions to produce a piece based on your view of the world and machines will never emulate that

  • @viaMac
    @viaMac Год назад +1

    Really well made video

    • @ManuMercurial
      @ManuMercurial  Год назад

      Thanks for checking it out vMac! Truly appreciate the good vibes!