Usable bikes are back. I just sort of flick the 200+ horsepower stuff out of my mind like I flick lint off my shoulder. Can't afford the stuff, can't use the power, can't insure it for theft, don't want the maintenance costs and intervals, don't want to polish the paint, just don't find anything relevant. Now these 120 horsepower bikes with broad torque, now that's something I can get onboard with. Panigale V2, Yamaha R9, KTM 990 RCR, etc.
@@hyakinthos_0902 Agreed. They advertise 200+ horsepower but when you study the fine print, that often requires another 2500 for exhaust system, 400-800 dollar ECU flash. Then you have to be in a location that allows you the high speed to put that power to the wheel without 12-o'clocking the bike. At that point, you realize why Ari and Zach outpaced a V4 Panigale on track with an old K5 GSX-R1000 that had suspension work.
If it’s the 675 Daytona you are referring to they are 185kg curb weight so is 9kg heavier although curb weight can mean varying amounts of fuel factored in. I agree on the emissions strangling performance though, must be a real challenge for manufacturers.
@ST-kq9py it is a 675. I swapped the battery for a lithium ion and changed the mirrors. The bike now weighs under 400 lb full of gas. The curb weight for the new V2 is quoted without fuel.
@@ST-kq9py v2 = 176 kg (388 lb) (dry) Kerb: 200 kg (440 lb) (wet). Fuel capacity, 17 L 675r 2013+ dry 167 kg (368 lb) wet 184 kg (405 lb) 17.5L V2S will be lighter than the V2, but the triumph lads have a point
I do wonder if companies are deliberately keeping the power down so they don’t encroach on the sales of other bikes in the range. On the bright side, a lot of bikes that are strangled by multiple cats in the exhaust really wake up with a full system and a tune. More cost to add to the already high price though.
Man Ducati is never gonna go out of style no matter what era amazing job Ducati you deserve the top pedestal I was about to purchase an outgoing model year MV dragster but not anymore waiting for the street fighter V2
Looks like Im off to Ducati store to get the “old” V2 before out.of stock. Better looking, and faster, i dont believe the new V2 is going to be markedly more comfortable given its size reduction (esp for taller dudes)
So basically it weighs the same as a KTM Duke 390, that's insane . I can't help thinking though all manufacturers say its a new bike from build and up , it seems to be the norm these days on launches of new bikes; but it does sound like the new power delivery might be one USP. Great channel and updates as always, thanks for sharing.
True. I think they called it panigale as the supersport name wouldn't pull people the same. Many people will buy one. A problem with the panigale v2 that many riders had was that it lacked low down torque.
@@tubejorrit power isn't everything. But you'll learn that in time. Also, DON'T compair it to the 1098/1199 that's now officially replaced by the V4. you need to compare this to the panigale 899 and 848. Yes the new one has a bit less power, HOWEVER is waaaaay lighter.
@@rickbakker6589 35hp less and 14kilo lighter. Let's hope it is an improvement and a better street bike. Can't wait for comparison test between this new V2 and the new KTM RC990.
To sum up what he said, a more streetfriendly bike first and foremost, race bike second aka a juiced up ducati supersport. Looks like the old panigale v2 will hold its value well as a more raw edge bike.
There talking like the last panigale was flat at low revs, it was, until you took oem system off, as soon as you did it completely opened it up, it was a beast right from the off. And on the road it was just right. I used to full throttle mine up right through till 5th gear I never managed to full throttle 6th. Admittedly it was above speed limit lol
Current SuperSport bars look to be about 3 inches higher than those on this new V2 and the new bike has zero provisions for saddlebags. Doesn't mean it's not a great bike, but not a direct SuperSport replacement.
The fact that its replacing the ss 950s is where it loses points. They need a touring package with raised handlebars and adjustable windscreen. Insta buy.
If the tank is at least 16L and they've improved fuel efficiency I might even buy one to replace my old 848. Now just need to sell the dog/car/guitars/fishing gear/lawn mower......hey, it'll be worth it.
Prefer the looks of my 2014 848 street fighter in yellow and black. Less gagets more rider involvment and get fun to ride. All the ducati spors bikes mylook.the same now whiich is a shame. I also have a 888sp4. Wont be selling that any😅 time soon for a pocket rocket.
@@allangrse617 ha ok then I shall bow to your superior knowledge having purchased upwards of 30 new super bikes over the years I know I wouldn't buy one, but lets hope the less is more approach works for Ducati & I hope you enjoy your new bike as no doubt you've already put your money where your mouth is!
@@DSLtwo Yes, hail to the king baby! Chill dude, its just kinda silly that people are judging it before trying it, its like a kid saying "I dont like the food!" before ever tasting it. Yes its down on hp, and cc compared to the old V2, but its also down on weight, and got a better mid range. I've been riding Ducati for 20 years or so, and my last one was a streetfighter V2, man I loved that bike. So will I buy the new one... absolutely! But I can afford it right now, so I stick with my street triple rs
Ducati can call it what ever they like. It’s a redesigned Super Sport. A V2 that’s less focused, less powerful, no Desmodromic valve train? And I seriously question their claimed weight. Also at about $18k U.S. this feels less and less interesting compared to what you can get at that price. Or, better yet. Buy an R9 and $5k worth of gas, tires, brake pads, leathers, etc.
Screw Ducati for this one. Why are they so worried about Yamaha the R9 coming out? So worried they had to make the dumbest rash decision on destroying a current model, stooping down to Yamaha’s level to compete with it. Ducati has worked long and hard to establish an exclusive market for themselves because they stayed in their own lane. Similar to Apple products. They set the bar meanwhile disregarding what other their competitors do. But what’s even worse is now they want to give us less of a product for a price point that doesn’t make any sense. Going backwards with this fake Panigale. Watch how much Ducati sales will plummet in 2025 vs 2024. Only a fool will purchase this junk if you ask me.
I'm always second 😂😂
Not now you’re not!
Dani?
Usable bikes are back. I just sort of flick the 200+ horsepower stuff out of my mind like I flick lint off my shoulder. Can't afford the stuff, can't use the power, can't insure it for theft, don't want the maintenance costs and intervals, don't want to polish the paint, just don't find anything relevant.
Now these 120 horsepower bikes with broad torque, now that's something I can get onboard with. Panigale V2, Yamaha R9, KTM 990 RCR, etc.
Agreed. Panigale V2, Yamaha R9, KTM 990 RCR - What a great mix of bikes.
i have a street triple and owning it for 6 months i dont see a point on liter class bikes anymore
@@hyakinthos_0902 Agreed. They advertise 200+ horsepower but when you study the fine print, that often requires another 2500 for exhaust system, 400-800 dollar ECU flash. Then you have to be in a location that allows you the high speed to put that power to the wheel without 12-o'clocking the bike. At that point, you realize why Ari and Zach outpaced a V4 Panigale on track with an old K5 GSX-R1000 that had suspension work.
First smart comment in ages! Agree! The 180-200hp monsters is only for ego riders that brag to each others by the gas station.
@@exothermal.sprocket Is there a video of that?
I respect chris so much because not only is a great moto journalist but also an amazing rider
He is a really nice guy also, met him briefly at a bike show a few years ago, happy to chat and genuinely enthusiastic.
I've got a Triumph from 15 years ago that weighs 7 kilos less and makes 8 more horsepower. These emission standards are a killer for motorcycles.
If it’s the 675 Daytona you are referring to they are 185kg curb weight so is 9kg heavier although curb weight can mean varying amounts of fuel factored in. I agree on the emissions strangling performance though, must be a real challenge for manufacturers.
@ST-kq9py it is a 675. I swapped the battery for a lithium ion and changed the mirrors. The bike now weighs under 400 lb full of gas. The curb weight for the new V2 is quoted without fuel.
@@ST-kq9py v2 = 176 kg (388 lb) (dry) Kerb: 200 kg (440 lb) (wet). Fuel capacity, 17 L
675r 2013+ dry 167 kg (368 lb) wet 184 kg (405 lb) 17.5L
V2S will be lighter than the V2, but the triumph lads have a point
@@mrstatictunesidiot.
I do wonder if companies are deliberately keeping the power down so they don’t encroach on the sales of other bikes in the range. On the bright side, a lot of bikes that are strangled by multiple cats in the exhaust really wake up with a full system and a tune. More cost to add to the already high price though.
Man Ducati is never gonna go out of style no matter what era amazing job Ducati you deserve the top pedestal I was about to purchase an outgoing model year MV dragster but not anymore waiting for the street fighter V2
Looks like Im off to Ducati store to get the “old” V2 before out.of stock. Better looking, and faster, i dont believe the new V2 is going to be markedly more comfortable given its size reduction (esp for taller dudes)
New one makes more power below 7,500rpm. Almost certainly be far better on the road
Looks great without all it's road trimmings. Think it looks a little less busy than the V4.
So basically it weighs the same as a KTM Duke 390, that's insane . I can't help thinking though all manufacturers say its a new bike from build and up , it seems to be the norm these days on launches of new bikes; but it does sound like the new power delivery might be one USP. Great channel and updates as always, thanks for sharing.
Love the twin exhaust
Looks aftermarket with the loop going around the swingarm instead of going trough.
Not sure that will be the default exhaust. I hope so though.
It's a supersport R, not a panigale. Sales numbers will tell if people like it or not.
True. I think they called it panigale as the supersport name wouldn't pull people the same. Many people will buy one. A problem with the panigale v2 that many riders had was that it lacked low down torque.
It seems to be a real veapon, why not call it a Panigale?
Glad to see the twin is still featured in the lineup and is continuing to be devoloped.
No Desmo twin 😩😩
Ducati keeping the v-twin alive makes me happy. 😁
v twin with only 120hp, for a real v-twin get a 1390 super duke with 188hp
@@tubejorrit That's still plenty of power to have fun with it, it's not about chasing numbers on the spec sheet.
@@tubejorrit power isn't everything. But you'll learn that in time. Also, DON'T compair it to the 1098/1199 that's now officially replaced by the V4. you need to compare this to the panigale 899 and 848. Yes the new one has a bit less power, HOWEVER is waaaaay lighter.
I completely agree
@@rickbakker6589 35hp less and 14kilo lighter. Let's hope it is an improvement and a better street bike. Can't wait for comparison test between this new V2 and the new KTM RC990.
Great to see your coverage at EICMA
I love skinny and light bikes....over 100 HP is plenty for the street.
Not quite for the track though, where too many in novices/inters are riding 1000's
@@TheOriginalCoda slowly though
@@tonystrippoli4486 They aint slow down the straights. Just slow getting on the gas, slow getting on the brakes, and slow round the corners 😝
100hp. Lol
They're going to charge you an awful lot for that 100hp. Lots of middleweights in that range - very very good ones.
To sum up what he said, a more streetfriendly bike first and foremost, race bike second aka a juiced up ducati supersport. Looks like the old panigale v2 will hold its value well as a more raw edge bike.
Chris can't wait to see you ride it and the new Streetfighter V2S ❤❤❤
There talking like the last panigale was flat at low revs, it was, until you took oem system off, as soon as you did it completely opened it up, it was a beast right from the off. And on the road it was just right. I used to full throttle mine up right through till 5th gear I never managed to full throttle 6th. Admittedly it was above speed limit lol
Exactement !
Interesting bike. Its like hybrid for road & track.
Also finally S version for the panigale v2 & Streetfighter v2.
Excited to see this go head to head with the new Ktm rc8!
Lighter bikes. LOVE this.
As a former Supersport owner, I need this! Beauty! Mama Mia
Amazing bike. Looks great!
Iy waz pushing verry harrd in any kondishons 😂
Italian spiking English are hilarious 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
A thing of Beauty❤❤ I will be thinking long and hard about trading in my Triumph Daytona 675 for this new V2 😋
Chad will be looking forward to another ‘work trip’
Chris might be on this one...
@@BikeWorldTVshowPoor lad, he needs a vacation!
Classic Fireblade made by Ducati
Looks better than the V4 👌
Are we looking at another 'Fireblade' moment?
Not that they don’t already look good but there are gonna be some weaponised looking aftermarket exhausts for this hahah!
I wonder if the top speed is lower?
More of a Supersport replacement than Panigale V2. 38lbs lighter is pretty substantial.
Current SuperSport bars look to be about 3 inches higher than those on this new V2 and the new bike has zero provisions for saddlebags. Doesn't mean it's not a great bike, but not a direct SuperSport replacement.
The torque between 3000-8000 rpm seems very similar to the 937 Testastretta
One of the prettiest sports bikes I have seen.
Waiting to see the Panigale Tricolore....
It will be more fun that the fire breathing V4
Does it have fuel gauge??
What’s the top speed. Has not been talked about that I can see
The fact that its replacing the ss 950s is where it loses points. They need a touring package with raised handlebars and adjustable windscreen. Insta buy.
Chris needs a bib, to catch all that drool!
Put this new engine in a Multistrada and I’m 100% in.
They will, has been spotted already.
It’s being announced in December, tuned for low down torque…well I’m speculating😉👍
It’s a Panigale Supersport
If the tank is at least 16L and they've improved fuel efficiency I might even buy one to replace my old 848. Now just need to sell the dog/car/guitars/fishing gear/lawn mower......hey, it'll be worth it.
So it's official: less power is more power and the older bikes were better.
Please bring it back in white!!!
wWere is the proper sound? :(
Please complie all the videos from this event
Overall, I like it but not from a side profile. The front flairing is cut to far back. Backs it look like a 250cc or something.
Anyone hear of the price yet?
Really hope Aprilia gets a bigger engine for their RS660
That hand shake 🤣
I was looking forward to an 899 V4. Personally, I can wait forever. Nothing to see here. Move along.
I played the video to listen to the Engine but its talking and annoying music 😢
Thank god they didn't put wings on this one.
Prefer the looks of my 2014 848 street fighter in yellow and black. Less gagets more rider involvment and get fun to ride. All the ducati spors bikes mylook.the same now whiich is a shame. I also have a 888sp4. Wont be selling that any😅 time soon for a pocket rocket.
The racers neck lump should be checked out.
Let me guess, no fuel gauge yet? 😂
It’s got one🙄
@IanTed nice! Ducati pulled off the impossible
Just can't see this approach working for Ducati, who's getting excited about a replacement model with 35bhp less certainly of no interest to me...
Me! 😂
People who knows something about bikes 😉
@@allangrse617 ha ok then I shall bow to your superior knowledge having purchased upwards of 30 new super bikes over the years I know I wouldn't buy one, but lets hope the less is more approach works for Ducati & I hope you enjoy your new bike as no doubt you've already put your money where your mouth is!
@@DSLtwo Yes, hail to the king baby! Chill dude, its just kinda silly that people are judging it before trying it, its like a kid saying "I dont like the food!" before ever tasting it. Yes its down on hp, and cc compared to the old V2, but its also down on weight, and got a better mid range. I've been riding Ducati for 20 years or so, and my last one was a streetfighter V2, man I loved that bike. So will I buy the new one... absolutely! But I can afford it right now, so I stick with my street triple rs
This thing is going to rip.
Not😫
@helgejohan3604 you got brainrot?
Agreed, cant wait to see how it will perform against KTM, MT09 and Street Triple 765 😁
Ducati can call it what ever they like. It’s a redesigned Super Sport. A V2 that’s less focused, less powerful, no Desmodromic valve train? And I seriously question their claimed weight. Also at about $18k U.S. this feels less and less interesting compared to what you can get at that price. Or, better yet. Buy an R9 and $5k worth of gas, tires, brake pads, leathers, etc.
NO DESMO😩😩😩
exhaust designed by stevie wonder, the street fighter is even uglier.
My 08 S4R testa has way more power. 16years old. They went backwards. Audi f**t it up again. Looks good but missing heart.
Screw Ducati for this one. Why are they so worried about Yamaha the R9 coming out? So worried they had to make the dumbest rash decision on destroying a current model, stooping down to Yamaha’s level to compete with it. Ducati has worked long and hard to establish an exclusive market for themselves because they stayed in their own lane. Similar to Apple products. They set the bar meanwhile disregarding what other their competitors do. But what’s even worse is now they want to give us less of a product for a price point that doesn’t make any sense. Going backwards with this fake Panigale. Watch how much Ducati sales will plummet in 2025 vs 2024. Only a fool will purchase this junk if you ask me.
First 😂
Audi destroy Ducati😫
Stop calling it a Panigale. It's an updated Supersport with a disgusting exhaust system
Ducati's losing the touch. all new models are ugly. I'm definitely gonna buy the KTM 1390 superduke R now
Should've gone to specsavers?
In Your opinion, I think KTM's are f...... ugly, bu we all got different taste
those side mirror are ugly!
Looks hideous
🤢🤢🤮🤮
Billig Ducati!!
I'm the last 😂