not sure about that tho. my scene was always been if you are going to spend so much for the v2 why not just get the v4 if the price raises further it would just push people towards the v4 even more
the only thing i love about the new bikes is the addition of a fuel gauge haha. Wish I had one on my SFv2, other than that... still happy with my current model and not dying to run out and upgrade.
The primary positive I see is it won’t cook your balls off. Improved electronics. Otherwise, downgrading the HP numbers so dramatically seems like a move in the right direction. I really liked this bridge as a happy medium between a V4 and something like new like the R9.
Love this, sold my supersport and bought a bike with cruise control due to an injury. Miss it alot, always wanted a little more power though, so this is just perfect. Wondering if that white Ducati lettering on the side is going to be on all S models - looks brilliant to me.
I am a Ducati Fan for 40 years and I am lucky to own two Ducati bikes which I love to bits. This one here leaves me speechless because I don't see one reason why I should invest in it. No Desmo, world's ugliest exhaust which looks like the handles of a wheelbarrow, displacement downgrade, torque downgrade, power downgrade. Guys, that's not a Panigale. And honestly, I don't know why it deserves to carry the Ducati badge on it. Call it "cost-saving, profit-maximizing lookalike at all cost".
I'm a huge Ducati fan my selve, got a 1200 Mobster R and love it, but the v2 didn't sell. In Europe it cost up to 25k for the standard, which made a lot of people skip it and get the v4 straight away. And you don't need desmo on 120HP. So it's more accessible to non Ducatisti. But I agree looks wise the can do better. And definitely better an the streetfighter.
Power/weight ratio is perfect for the street. Also is the slightly more comfortable sitting position. If you want a trackbike get the v4, if you want a great street bike get this one.
I think this comment is nonsense. I also own a Ducati and I don't care if my street bike has a Desmo or not. For many people that will be a reason to buy one. As for the exhaust, there will be a lot of after-market exhausts if you don't like this one. 120 horsepower is more than enough for the street. I see people every day with a big V4, boxer or whatever - 180hp plus and 95% can't ride those bikes at all. I'm really looking forward to this bike, thank you Ducati.
I know it’s probably low on the priority list but as soon as you have details on exactly what it is Honda did in regards to “refreshing” the XL750 let us know!
Can you please go and look at the new Rieju Rally bike and take some pics incl spec sheet etc? No one has shown any of there stuff yet incl themselves 🤷♂️
When you describe the ergonomics you confuse two different bikes in the video. You talk about relatively high bars but show a version with aftermarket low bars. Only later you catch a glimpse of the stock high bars. Maybe slow down a little?
Would have liked to have seen a bit more of the Streetfighter. My old wrists of 62 years just ain't up to riding these modern supersports bikes anymore.
I am glad I picked up a 950 Super Sport S when I did. I just don't get Ducati's thinking on this........if I am gonna own a twin it better be torquey as hell....this new engine just seems like a compromise so they can get rid of the Super Sport but then dumb down the previous V2 Panny. Although I am not a fan of the current V2.....absolutley no torque at all. The Super Sport is a much better road bike. I wish they would have just beefed up the Testy engine and kept the Super Sport and retired the V2 Panny. Now you just have a choice of two uncomfortable race bikes for the road.
This is all about weight loss and torque for the road not the track, 70% available at 3,000 revs. There is no point having power higher up the Rev range as on the old bike, it has to be detuned for SuperSports.
@@funkyfin3023 I agree but will it be better than the 15 year proven Testastretta? Also, the riding position on the Super Sport is the key.....who needs a race riding position on the street? All well and good if they were keeping the Super Sport but they are not from what I was told. That 937 Engine imho, is their best engine for the road.
I made this point on another page. The new Streetfighter and Monster [if they did one] would be too close on spec and performance even if they used the 115hp version. It would be just too close.
I'm glad I bought two 2024 Panigale V2s for my twin boys. Ducati really shaved off a lot of performance and features on the new model. Seems like the same price as well. And no clip ons or single sided swing arm . At this price point I would buy a different bike.
A lot of people don’t understand that this bike was made just so Ducati can race in super sport, they don’t care about what the customer wants. Or maybe they do understand, people like to overpay for a brand name to flex, accepting bad value in return. A zx6r, cbr600rr and r9 was always going to provide better value, but this is getting super obvious now the brand is not holding to its heritage because if corporate greed. What does this bike do better? It’s better for around town for posing? That light weight will get you tossed around on the highway unless you weigh 300 pounds. It’s good in the twisters, but so are others, for far cheaper, and will do it better while looking way nicer. Ducati, this is a shitty direction you have taken, and it’s sad no one is going to have the balls as a content creator to say it, because they will want their things surely in the future. I won’t buy a Ducati, I hope Honda comes out with that v3 and takes all the sales
So what's the point of the Ducati Monster now? Are they going to reduce power on that even more? Usually the panigale makes more power than the monster now they make the same power almost like why would you even bother buying a panigale or a streetfighter except for looks ?
So the new V2 is now just an expensive supersport? It's cheaper than the old V2 but more expensive than the current supersport so it's just marketing to cover up the increase in cost over a supersport which it is closer to with that power
Everyone can see the Audi mindset in action here. Sad. Same engine in multiple platforms. It’s an upgrade for the other platforms but a downgrade for the V2. Steering damper an add on? WFT. Blatant money grab. I don’t care about the other upgrades if they reduced power. Older V2s just went up in value.
No Desmo, no single sided swingarm, no steering damper, lower spec suspension, horrible looking exhaust and a 35hp downgrade. On the upside, lower weight, nicer screen and controls, but that isnt nearly enough to convince me unfortunately.
The engine is optimized for more torque under a wider range of RPMs which makes it more friendly/useful for street riding. It seems like Ducati is further differentiating the Panigale V4 and V2 by making the V4 high horse power, high revving, but fairly lack luster acceleration at low RPMs, with aggressive track optimized riding position. Whereas V2 is now a more relaxed street friendly position, along with more street friendly accessible torque at lower RPMs
Not a fan of the looks. The cat is exposed and looks ugly. The exposed header in the current model is a real feature. Generally the current model looks a lot sleeker, and although the double sided swingarm is supposed to enhance handling, the single sided swingarm looks so much better. I expect with it's low weight, good low rev torque, fuel gauge and more comfortable ergonomics, it will attract a lot of new customers who want a sporty looking road bike, but I think it has lost its Panigale character. Will be interesting to see how it performs on the track and road.
the lines are too smooth and generic to be called a Ducati .....both v2 and v4 are massive downgrades in design....this is why you shouldn't fix whats not broken
@revmatchproductions looks uve got 10 ducatis parked in your garage ... Good for you what I don't quite understand is how a guy like u would waste time to reply to a guy like me who has nothing.....
I'm impressed that the FINALLY added a fuel gauge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about time! That alone is reason to upgrade!
No Desmo Valves is huge for those worried about the reliability.
great, my Street Triple will be able to keep up with one of these now!
So the new V2 is basically a direct competitor to the R9 consider the same power figures. It'll likely cost 2x but still be nice to get a comparo.
It’s going to be cheaper and faster probably
@mnvshekhawat Cheaper for sure, faster there's only one way to find out 😀
@ tbh I think this Ducati is gonna be cheaper than the previous v2 or at least same price
Because in WorldSSP it is heavy with all that weight with a detune so I see why they went this way for WorldSSP lighter and has no detune.
@@xXAkitokunXx And it's an 890 now.
This bike is the right direction IMO perfect for V2 120hp, will be direct comp to Duke 990 R and the new and 990 RC R
Thank you Ducati for raising the price of my 21 V2 Panigale.
not sure about that tho. my scene was always been if you are going to spend so much for the v2 why not just get the v4 if the price raises further it would just push people towards the v4 even more
It looks cleaner than the V4
Love how sleek it looks yess it's not as aggressive as the previous one but still it looks sleek yet aggressive to me
R.I.P Ducati.
It looks a lot better with the termi exhaust - the stock exhaust looks stupid going around the outside of the swingarm.
Most beautiful sportbike at the show!!!
It’s beautiful. I’m getting one
120hp, good torque, light weight, quality suspension, brilliant brakes, that name and paint it red, sound like an absolutely perfect bike.
Great review. Thx 🙂
Bikes have been gaining extreme power useless for the road and gained a lot of weight reducing agility but this makes tons of sense to me…
I dont see any problem with the new v2. Im so invested with it. ❤ Cant wait to to test ride it!!
Ducati: If you have to ask the price, you cant afford it.
the only thing i love about the new bikes is the addition of a fuel gauge haha. Wish I had one on my SFv2, other than that... still happy with my current model and not dying to run out and upgrade.
Like the style redesign, very sleek.
The primary positive I see is it won’t cook your balls off. Improved electronics. Otherwise, downgrading the HP numbers so dramatically seems like a move in the right direction. I really liked this bridge as a happy medium between a V4 and something like new like the R9.
Love this, sold my supersport and bought a bike with cruise control due to an injury. Miss it alot, always wanted a little more power though, so this is just perfect. Wondering if that white Ducati lettering on the side is going to be on all S models - looks brilliant to me.
This looks amazing, hoooly!🎉
Alot of people are gonna buy the old v2 now
I am a Ducati Fan for 40 years and I am lucky to own two Ducati bikes which I love to bits. This one here leaves me speechless because I don't see one reason why I should invest in it. No Desmo, world's ugliest exhaust which looks like the handles of a wheelbarrow, displacement downgrade, torque downgrade, power downgrade. Guys, that's not a Panigale. And honestly, I don't know why it deserves to carry the Ducati badge on it. Call it "cost-saving, profit-maximizing lookalike at all cost".
I'm a huge Ducati fan my selve, got a 1200 Mobster R and love it, but the v2 didn't sell. In Europe it cost up to 25k for the standard, which made a lot of people skip it and get the v4 straight away. And you don't need desmo on 120HP. So it's more accessible to non Ducatisti. But I agree looks wise the can do better. And definitely better an the streetfighter.
Power/weight ratio is perfect for the street. Also is the slightly more comfortable sitting position. If you want a trackbike get the v4, if you want a great street bike get this one.
I think this comment is nonsense. I also own a Ducati and I don't care if my street bike has a Desmo or not. For many people that will be a reason to buy one. As for the exhaust, there will be a lot of after-market exhausts if you don't like this one. 120 horsepower is more than enough for the street. I see people every day with a big V4, boxer or whatever - 180hp plus and 95% can't ride those bikes at all. I'm really looking forward to this bike, thank you Ducati.
What a beautiful looking bike and surprisingly affordable at £14,999. Thanks MotoBob for yet another excellent review.
It's expensive for a more road orientated bike. That is in MT10, S1000r territory with a ton more power.
@@fyorbane the S1000r and the MT-10 cost both more than the streetfighter and if you ride spec sheets you don´t ride at all.
Waiting for Aprilia! please make in depth cover!!
They came out with the RS660 Factory.
I do love that its going to be available as a a2 version as well
Looks better that the new V4! IMHO!
😮 jaw dropping hot 🔥 I don't want anymore sport bike than that for street use
Anything about fuelling, the capacity or range?
I need this Panigale. It has everything I want in a bike.
That's a rebranding of the Supersport
Its gorgeous to look at... I hope i finally can afford one Ducati streetfighter v2 one day
Will you cover guzzi?
That's a lot of dough to have 3hp more than a r9, I'll get a used v2 personally
I know it’s probably low on the priority list but as soon as you have details on exactly what it is Honda did in regards to “refreshing” the XL750 let us know!
Would like to see a comparison between this bike and the previous version.
It's gunna be a brilliant road bike. Just hope tank isn't too small.
Love it! It’s just wayyyyyy out of my price range
Can you please go and look at the new Rieju Rally bike and take some pics incl spec sheet etc?
No one has shown any of there stuff yet incl themselves 🤷♂️
Nice
I'm keeping my 2022 SFV2, thank you very much:)
The old one [yours] is a much more peaky engine and a fair bit heavier.
Smart choice
When you describe the ergonomics you confuse two different bikes in the video. You talk about relatively high bars but show a version with aftermarket low bars. Only later you catch a glimpse of the stock high bars. Maybe slow down a little?
Agreed . Not one of Bob's best video's. We barely got to see the new Streetfighter.
Omg they added a fuel gauge
I see your mum was cleaning around you again. Nice of you to have taken her 😀
Its like the Original 899 but slower and smaller engine?
Would have liked to have seen a bit more of the Streetfighter. My old wrists of 62 years just ain't up to riding these modern supersports bikes anymore.
I am glad I picked up a 950 Super Sport S when I did. I just don't get Ducati's thinking on this........if I am gonna own a twin it better be torquey as hell....this new engine just seems like a compromise so they can get rid of the Super Sport but then dumb down the previous V2 Panny. Although I am not a fan of the current V2.....absolutley no torque at all. The Super Sport is a much better road bike. I wish they would have just beefed up the Testy engine and kept the Super Sport and retired the V2 Panny. Now you just have a choice of two uncomfortable race bikes for the road.
This is all about weight loss and torque for the road not the track, 70% available at 3,000 revs. There is no point having power higher up the Rev range as on the old bike, it has to be detuned for SuperSports.
@@funkyfin3023 I agree but will it be better than the 15 year proven Testastretta? Also, the riding position on the Super Sport is the key.....who needs a race riding position on the street? All well and good if they were keeping the Super Sport but they are not from what I was told. That 937 Engine imho, is their best engine for the road.
@ 44 teeth and Chris at Bile World have far better reviews and tell you more than I can answer including the rider who developed it.
Would you do the ktm 390s next and the DRZs /sm please! /any other real medium displacement bikes brother. Many thanks
not sure we're going to have a Monster anymore, cause if it has the same engine, what is the point. . . ?
I made this point on another page. The new Streetfighter and Monster [if they did one] would be too close on spec and performance even if they used the 115hp version. It would be just too close.
I'm glad I bought two 2024 Panigale V2s for my twin boys. Ducati really shaved off a lot of performance and features on the new model. Seems like the same price as well. And no clip ons or single sided swing arm . At this price point I would buy a different bike.
A lot of people don’t understand that this bike was made just so Ducati can race in super sport, they don’t care about what the customer wants. Or maybe they do understand, people like to overpay for a brand name to flex, accepting bad value in return. A zx6r, cbr600rr and r9 was always going to provide better value, but this is getting super obvious now the brand is not holding to its heritage because if corporate greed. What does this bike do better? It’s better for around town for posing? That light weight will get you tossed around on the highway unless you weigh 300 pounds. It’s good in the twisters, but so are others, for far cheaper, and will do it better while looking way nicer.
Ducati, this is a shitty direction you have taken, and it’s sad no one is going to have the balls as a content creator to say it, because they will want their things surely in the future.
I won’t buy a Ducati, I hope Honda comes out with that v3 and takes all the sales
What happened to Ducati , used to be the most beautiful bikes with the power to go along with it . Looks like I’m keeping mine .
Wait a sec....this has a fuel indicator 👀👀👀👀
So what's the point of the Ducati Monster now? Are they going to reduce power on that even more? Usually the panigale makes more power than the monster now they make the same power almost like why would you even bother buying a panigale or a streetfighter except for looks ?
Love the lines. Nice and compact. Too bad they couldn't hide the exhaust a little better. That midpipe looks horrible snaking over the swingarm.
R9 looking a way better option in price, reliability, and maintenance than V2!!
Where's the Streetfighter V4 update?
Is that a fuel gauge?😊
So the new V2 is now just an expensive supersport?
It's cheaper than the old V2 but more expensive than the current supersport so it's just marketing to cover up the increase in cost over a supersport which it is closer to with that power
What's the point of the streetfighter V2 when it's only 9hp more than the Monster 937, and probably costs a whole lot more?
Everyone can see the Audi mindset in action here. Sad. Same engine in multiple platforms. It’s an upgrade for the other platforms but a downgrade for the V2.
Steering damper an add on? WFT. Blatant money grab.
I don’t care about the other upgrades if they reduced power.
Older V2s just went up in value.
Soooooo, R9... Got it.
Will the new engine be on the Monster in 2025?
100hp difference between this and the V4 is a big difference.
Exhaust routing is questionable but yet still a gorgeous bike. We can always count on Ducati to always prove their bikes out of competition though 😬
Panigale Supersport 😂
Please do a video on KTM 390 enduro R
It does look better than the v4 imho.
I'm only waiting for the BMW S/M 1000 R.
No Desmo, no single sided swingarm, no steering damper, lower spec suspension, horrible looking exhaust and a 35hp downgrade.
On the upside, lower weight, nicer screen and controls, but that isnt nearly enough to convince me unfortunately.
so it has desmo or not
Nope
Overpriced R9
World expert are we?
there will be a v2r released next year with more horsepower
No Desmo😩😩
The 30hp downgrade baffles me, id like to know why and how did this happen
The engine is optimized for more torque under a wider range of RPMs which makes it more friendly/useful for street riding. It seems like Ducati is further differentiating the Panigale V4 and V2 by making the V4 high horse power, high revving, but fairly lack luster acceleration at low RPMs, with aggressive track optimized riding position. Whereas V2 is now a more relaxed street friendly position, along with more street friendly accessible torque at lower RPMs
@ that’s good, the bike is absolutely beautiful
Supersport championship regulations
Not into the mass of black plastic on the side.
so same price for less bike so they can save money for racing...ok, and all the weigh savings is great, if youre a very light person.
I am thinking "it is the all new Supersport has not V2
It's just a small detail, but beauty is in the details...
I just can't stand that black plastic pice on top of the side panel air vent... Why?! 🤨
Another industry downgrade of a super sport to a not so super sport.
No thanks.
R9 competitor.
I’m sorry, how much hp did it lose?!?
Cruse control and a fuel gadge wow sign me up. Now if only I can find neutral
Look fuel gaze again !!
Why couldn’t we get ecs on a 18 thousand dollar fucking bike??
It’s like they took the beard off without winglets should’ve added small ones
What happen to the design
It’s stunning. But fuck me 120 horses. Is it gonna scare you?
Everything new are becoming less than the old version of the same models
What a 💩 heap 120hp will barely make over 100 at the wheels pretty embarrassing really
They made a mistake. They got this swapped with the new supersport by accident.
Clearly see audi mindset always makes lower power products compire to its rivals
Nice report Bob! Could you do me a favour and pronounce the brand as Ducati and not Jewcati? Thanks.
😂
Not a fan of the looks. The cat is exposed and looks ugly. The exposed header in the current model is a real feature. Generally the current model looks a lot sleeker, and although the double sided swingarm is supposed to enhance handling, the single sided swingarm looks so much better. I expect with it's low weight, good low rev torque, fuel gauge and more comfortable ergonomics, it will attract a lot of new customers who want a sporty looking road bike, but I think it has lost its Panigale character. Will be interesting to see how it performs on the track and road.
R9 £12,250 much cheaper.
Nah old v2 was a looker.
Should have at least 135hp
Ugly and weak, Ducati going in wrong direction...👎
the lines are too smooth and generic to be called a Ducati .....both v2 and v4 are massive downgrades in design....this is why you shouldn't fix whats not broken
You prob ride a scooter or dont even have a bike😂
@revmatchproductions looks uve got 10 ducatis parked in your garage ... Good for you what I don't quite understand is how a guy like u would waste time to reply to a guy like me who has nothing.....
Probably the worst downgrade ever, hopefully the street fighter V4 keeps the classic features.