It's mostly just brand names that come from the same country. Trucks themselves are built from parts being made all over the world. Sadly that includes China and their level of "quality"
@@TruckTropia That is so true. In the UK the 2014 R450 Scania I drive was made in Netherlands. In Brazil Scania has manufacturing facilities, a major player in South America. Today, Scania has production facilities in Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Thailand, China, India, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, Russia and Finland. In addition, there are assembly plants in ten countries in Africa, Asia and Europe.
Some dates are wrong. Indeed Scania introduced the new model range in 2016 but they kept the 730hp as top of the line until late 2020 when they introduced the newest V8 engine generation with its 770hp. So Scania didnt had the crown for eight years. It was just a bit more than 3 years until Volvo launched their brand new 17.3l engine.
@@savagememes873 also volvo has a 1050 hp engine custom made , but we are talking about a mass production trucks and engines. So if u want the strongest u choose volvo
The battle must exist to improve the trucks. All Scania has to do is remap the V8 and itll be at 800 hp and still running clean. Then Volvo will go 830 hp and 4200 Nm of torque, and so on and so on.
They are making the engines more efficient that's why they are getting stronger . The one with the strongest transmission is the winner . Do you know if the Scania is having full power in all gears?
@bendermi no, unless the customer asks for that style of mapping. Even when the transmission is put in manual mode you don't get max power in the lower gears unless you ask the dealer to do it or get a remap from someone. The Volvo I drive now has a moderate hp/high torque tune from the factory ( 455hp/1850 ft-lbs ) and in manual mode or performance mode the engine doesn't go nowhere near the horsepower peak just because of the factory tune. It shifts slow and low, and gets high 7s to low 8s all the time. It can do better with more responsive tuning but the factory tune is for a new driver so they don't kill themselves. I've been driving for decades and am used to manual trucks and high powered vehicles.
@@hoost3056 I was on the road in the seventies and eighties with my dad , we was driving an F89 , at that time the Scanias was breaking down because of a weak driveshaft, he told me the “fix” was to put in a driveshaft from Volvo , he also told me the Scania only had full power from sixths gear and up .
@@TruckTropia I love Volvo than Scania, because Volvo is still ruling the luxury bus market in our India, whereas Scania has discontinued their buses in India and only manufacturing trucks. But Volvo is manufacturing both trucks and buses in our India. Trucks are by Volvo and Eicher and buses are by Volvo itself
The horsepower increases because of higher efficiency, but the real power is the torque and everybody knows who got that right from the start . So no need for a battle . Without the driveshaft from Volvo the other truck would still be breaking down.
Swede here: Why did Saab and Volvo battle over safety? Simple: Cause why the fuck not? Some healty competition never hurts. One makes something better and the other one has to step its game up and so one. Eventually both will be better in general than the rest. Volvo and Saab cars were among the safest in the world at their glory time. And Scania and Volvo are among the best trucks in its own league above the rest. Also, as a worker at research on Scania, hearing the news of the 780 Volvo... It made most of us laugh... Like come on 10hp? I guess 800 is there for us... Unlike their D17, our DC16 is proven, and capable of 1200... Just needs a stronger gearbox and aftertreatment system. And also cooling.
Years ago I laughed at Volvos ad about their newest engina at the time. "We have gained the tourque of the V8". They referred to Scanias top engine at the time. I thought, do they really think that Scania stopped developing their V8?! I don't think I6 will ever gain the tourque of V8 as long they both developed simultanius. And if it true that one here said that Volvo messurres from flywheel and Scania from wheels, the comparing is unfair.
@@markusylitalo8376 I think both measure the engine. You cant measure torque on the wheels, just horsepower. The torque at the propshaft is around 26000+ nm. And you can reach the torque of a V8 in an I6, however, something that isnt talked about is power delivery. A V8 has a much more balanced power output, while a I6 have "deadspots" where the engine isnt pumping out the top power even if its in the right RPM range. And yes, it is noticable if you drive one. I notice the different engines after a few meters.
The d17 is just a d16 so it is proven, I just hope they put it in the CE machines. I’d off myself if Volvo had chosen a V8 and had put in any CE models.
Und genau dort klemmt die Säge! Scania Getriebe halten die Kräfte nicht ab! Volvo Getriebe sind viel weiter entwickelt, schon weil sie nicht nur Lkws und Pkws bauen,sondern auch Baumaschienen! Innovationsträger ist und bleibt Volvo!' Oder hat Scania mal was neues erfunden??? Doppelkupplungsgetriebe,Hochdach,Airbag, Einzelradaufhängung,usw.!
In 1999, Volvo tried to buy Scania, to merge the factories, this was rejected by the EU! The EU was fully aware that this would mean death for the other truck factories in Europe, and since this would mainly affect Germany and France, (Mercedes, and Renault) it obviously hurt too much! I have driven trucks for 44 years, equally divided between Volvo and Scania, but have always preferred Volvo, not because Scania is worse, but Volvo suits me better in terms of driving position and comfort. And at the same time, Volvo has always been ahead of Scania in terms of development.
Iam here because me n the boys on ets2 we always race i drive a scania R730 most drive volvo 750... The 20 horse power difference is not much because i always beat them... The new 770 n 780 would be highly appreciated in ets2
Speaking of Volvo and Scania, I am interested in one question - since in Australia they use both European and american models of trucks, and both cabovers and long nosed, and we all know that both Scania and Volvo have long nosed models like the Volvo VNL and Scania T series, why aren't these two models of the brands popular in Australia? May be you can do a video on that topic.
T cabs don't exist from factory anymore. We still see the older series 3 ones from time to time. Volvo dropped the VN series back in late 90s and no one can say why. Although the new VNLs being 100% American manufactured means that it would be a large task to get RHD and Aus legal. Something they don't want to bother with in such a small market.
Simpler is better so inline is the better engine of the two . Less moving parts better balance , smoother, less fuel , less repair costs, longer life span , more torque at low rpm, wider powerband.....they are a lot to count
Well they have a good competition and many big hauling companys and heavy duty oversized goods are transportet with those trucks, so many fleets are out there.
Here in South Africa...85 % of lowbeds carrying the HEAVIEST OF THE HEAVIEST LOADS ARE VOLVO'S... MAYBE 10%%SCANIA'S... THE OTHER WANNABE'S A PALTRY 5% OF THE REST COMBINED!!!
thats bullsh*t, both scania and volvo measure hp at crank, this is easily known by just googling scania dc16 and it shows you a pdf with the engine specs showing the torque curves ect and guess what, that measured 770 is at the crank
Both these engines are not some of the most powerful in the world and not only in Europe! These beasts are the 2 most powerful on the planet without any other matching equivalent!,
Which do you OWN....I OWN BOTH top dogs with Top POWER!! Try pulling out of a slush quarry with 80 tonnes payload...and then pull away without any problems??? BTW the Scania is 620 hp and the Volvo only 610 hp!!!
North American market is different a lot more highway travel where your not constantly stop and go so the higher horsepower number don’t really matter at those speeds, given though if you look aftermarket several cats and Cummins will be pushed past 700hp
@@user-wm9pj2xj7zyes with stratospheric fuel consumption and ridiculous torques. I have a friend to whom I sold my T800 with an ISX 600, he made some modifications raising it to 700hp, it has the same torque as I currently have in my Scania V8 620, but it consumes almost twice as much fuel as me and climbs slower
Both Scania and Volvo produce excellent trucks but even with lesser power and torque I prefer Scania trucks due to the sound of Scania V8 engine which is more beautiful than music to my ears.
Dates and engine sizes are not remotely accurate . The engine size is in the trucks name . An F10 = a 10 litre engine . A Scania 143 is a 14 litre V8 3 series . An FH12 is a 12 litre and nothing else , if it has the 16 litre engine it is an FH16 .
@@honkiebikedude Need to piece out that info about Volvo a bit: The letters are all about the versions of the cab: F = Frambyggd (Cabover) N = Nos (Long hood) - not made anymore. H = High cab M = Medium cab L = Low cab Both the 7, 10 and the 12 litre trucks were available in all the versions H, M and L.. The smaller 4 and 6 litre didn't have a H cab and the 16 litre didn't have a L cab - if I got it right.
@@originalguy4535 Depends of the usage, enviroment and gross weight of the truck, but from my experience in gravel trucking in Finland (76 ton total weight) 2013 Scania R620 around 550k km to engine rebuild and 2014 Volvo FH16 650 around 500k km to engine rebuild. So it depends alot from usage and terrain.
THEY'RE BOTH EXCELLENT... DEPENDS WHICH CLOWN IS BEHIND THE WHEEL!!! MY LATE BROTHER DROVE AN FH12-420 WITH SUPER HEAVY LOADS AND AT 400,000 KM HAD USED BARELY 2MM OF THE ORIGINAL 28MM BRAKE PADS OVERALL ON THE TRUCK TRACTOR!!! RIP DINO "BEANS" DE AGUIAR!!!
Depending aspects. Volvo has stronger chassis and faster gearbox for many years. Scania v8 is more complicated engine, more bearings, injectors, pipes etc. For building sites are better different marks as military use them. Both are very good trucks and top strongest models cost top prices. Otherwise Chinese truck has 800hp and cost just over half price
It has a few reasons, a V8 in US trucks makes less sense since you have a nose and therefore length of the engine is less of an issue. Also weight, in Finland they a road legal truck and trailer may weigh up to 100 metric tons and that with mountains. Whilst the US is relatively flat Europe has 3 mountain ranges, with the Alps the pyrenese and technically the ural mountains in Russia but that is a bit of the split between Europe and Asia. And even then those extreme engines are a rare sight with only fanbases driving those. But most are still between that 400 to 550 HP mark.
Interesting to know what had happened if Scania and Volvo had merged as they planned to do many years ago. I believe both brands would still have existed with their own look but they would've shared a lot of the technology (just like KW and Peterbilt in the US). V8 or not - we will never know. But the plan was stopped by the EU because they were afraid that these trucks would've been too dominant. But they had no problem with VW Trucks and Buses buying Scania - this obviously because Eu is dominated by big countries like Germany and France. Sweden is pretty tiny if we talk about population.
I'm inclined to believe that they don't battle each other for having the most powerful engine for the sake of having the most powerful engine. Instead, they both operate in the same market and neither can affort to fall significantly behind. Also in parts of Scandinavia and Finland trucks can be significantly more heavy than elsewhere (exception is of course Australia), and it's often somewhat mountaineous terrain. So even with 780HP it might not be an absurd abundance of power and the need for more is easily justifiable. It then boils down to who's having the more lucky hand with their latest development, and when the next release of a newer version happens.
Where are the German trucks? Any of them above 700hp? The last time I knew, MAN managed 680hp with their last V8 engine, before pursuing a straight six. It was temporarily the most powerful, as Volvo and Scania were still loitering around 600hp.
Only Scania and Volvo make 700+ hp trucks in Europe now. The chinese Sachman has a 800hp V8 and is rhe strongest factory made road truck in the world today.
At first sight it seems that Volvo's D17 engine is just a drilled up D16 - the same stroke but a bigger cylinder bore - but I believe there is more than that...
When it comes to diesel engines a V8 always win. It is going to be interesting how to compete with those new electric drivelines! Or will it be comfort? Most gimmicks?
This is why Cat stopped makes engines for heavy duty trucks, because they know they will lose their legacy for not being able to make powerful and efficient engines while being compliant with emissions.
There was a lot of battling in the 1960/70's that's when the horsepower race really started in Europe. It's also what began the end of the British truck industry - our typical attitude of "we're the best, take us or leave us" and the market left them. Thing is, Britain was the best for a long time, but we sat on our hands whilst the competition over took us. In the mid 60's, your best offerings from a British truck manufacturer was a 180hp Gardner, a Leyland 680 (180-200hp) or some offered a 220 Cummins usually detuned to 205hp. When trucks like the Volvo F88 dropped with 270hp in 1965 then the first Scania V8's in 1969 with 350hp it's no wonder our hauliers switched. Numbers aren't that impressive today but going from 180hp to 270hp is a 50% increase in power - staggering at the time. Imagine one of the US truck manufacturers announcing tomorrow that they were releasing a 900hp otr truck - that's how significant that's how significant those power gains were in the 60/70's TV
@@deezelfairy During the 1950s I visited Scotland as a sailor. At one point we unloaded pulp to four-axle trucks such as AEC and Leyland. It was cold weather and the drivers sat in short cabins and wiped the windows with rags. It did not seem to find effective heat in the cabins. But there were in the Volvos and Scania Vabis that were later sold in the UK. As for Volvo, mostly F86 was sold in the UK. According to what was heard, it was the best profit to sell F86 instead of F88.
@@spv1093 That was the thing, British hauliers were tight with their money which is why the F86 was more popular then the F88. It's also why you'd see our drivers wiping their windows with rags as back then a heater was an 'optional extra' on British trucks of that period. You had a real good boss if you got any options that were for driver comfort. With the Swedish manufacturers things like heaters were standard fitment. Sleeper cabs weren't a big thing in British trucks either - drivers were generally expected to sleep on top of cover over the engine hump in the cab 😂
there is so many misinformation in this video. The Scania 4 series had 530 horsepower back in 1995 not 470 you can even see it on the grill smh, the Scania R series had 620 horsepower in 2005 not 580, the 730 horsepower was indeed released in 2010 but in 2016 when the next generation scania trucks came (R and S series) it still had the 730 horsepower. the 770 came in 2020
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You need to study your specs a lot more thoroughly before posting these videos. The Volvo F-series was released in 1977 with a 10 liter F10 and a 12liter F12. Top of the line at release was 320hp. 1979 saw the Globetrotter cab emerge and be a huge success for the F12. The F-series got a big brother in 1988 with the 16liter 465hp F16, and then rightly evolved into the FH series in 1993. Scania ran 11 and 14liter engines from their 110 straight 6 and 140 V8 up through the years, coming out with a smaller 8liter with the 2 series, the 82, upgraded to 9 liters with the 93. Along with the 4 series came also a 16liter V8 as the new king of the road, and as they say, the rest is history. The 2 brands have always battled. Not only on horsepower. On everything. Safety, fuel mileage, design, ease of use, smoothest transmission, heaviest hauler, highest payload, driver comfort... For a great many years they have been the benchmark trucks, although way outsold by Mercedes and also compeeting with great trucks made by dutch PACCAR owned Daf.
You don't know how the horse power is measured in these two different manufacturers I see Volvo measures the power in flywheel while Scania measures from the wheels, which means that all losses are already subtracted yet, volvo include losses If you include losses, you'll end up with 700hp
If that was the fact, I think Scania already would have informed something about that instead of staying quiet and admit that Volvo is stronger. I'm sure that some standards are set for how to measure engine power and torque on every truck.
Just my thoughts: They probably didn't find it economically viable. Scania make marine versions of the same V8 with up to 1150hp, so the power itself isn't the problem. But the whole drive line and the cooling system must also be upgraded to withstand the torque and power and the same time the engine has to meet the emission standards. The emission standards aren't so strict for marine engines. It's a lot of development work. The truck would be expensive and probably wouldn't be very popular.
Very nice but, some of the details are not accurate. Volvo had a 16-liter V8 at the 90’s with 520HP., (this is just one detail that is not mentioned at the clip and there are more )
No. The 16 litre engine Volvo introduced in 1987 was an inline 6 with 470hp at first. The only V8 Volvo has mounted in a truck was a 3.6 litre petrol engine, B36, with 120hp, made between 1956 and 1966
Because of jealousy i guess, western media refuse to admit that their engines was inferior compared to Chinese ones. Western media jealous to admit that their engines is not the most powerful ones. The most powerful truck engine at this moment belongs to Chinese made weichai v8 installed in their latest shacman 8000 with 800 hp & almost 17000 cc with 16 manual transmission & automatic transmission also available and equipped with hub reduction for heavy duty operation. I love when western people became more and more jealous with other nation more superior than them and western engineering overtime became more & more inferior. Why jealous? Huhuhu.
I've been telling everyone this exact thing! I think Volvo not really serious to challenge the 770 Scania. Scania 770 have better and wider torque curve.
End the battle and show us the torque curve let the facts speak. There has always been one king of the road and the winnee has the widest torque curve .
Another fun fact, truck engines and marine engines are not the same. Marine engines are tuned for a lot more horse power and in many cases less reliable.
@@rude252 maybe the opposite, marine engine can't left you stranded in the open sea like a truck into an open road. Anyway, adapt it to euro 6 and so on, sure will have a drop, easily i bet could stay on 800 hp easily. Because it's a marine engine born from V8 of turbostar.
Currently in India, The powerful truck is Volvo 540 fmx cab(if I I not wrong). Volvo didn't released its fh series engines. But,scania launched uts super engine this year in March and max hp is 560hp. But,scania is giving 560hp oy in tippers.
If that was true, I think Scania already would have informed something about that instead of staying quiet and admit that Volvo is stronger? I'm sure that the same standards are set for how to measure engine power and torque on every truck.
@@charlienewbanks3835 Drag race?? These trucks aren't built for drag race, they're built to pull heavy loads. A test should be made on a long uphill (like Hallandsåsen in Sweden) with fully loaded trucks. And it's a little more complicated than just the engine power or the engine torque. It's also about transmission, aka efficient gear ratios. I don't doubt that Scania could win that race. 20hp more isn't so much here either.
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Why would you show American trucks when specifically speaking of the Swedish brands??
The most impressing thing for me is that both truck leaders are made from the same country!!!Huge Respect
It's mostly just brand names that come from the same country. Trucks themselves are built from parts being made all over the world. Sadly that includes China and their level of "quality"
@@goatman86Did your Chinese boss mistreated you?
Both Volvo and Scania are superb trucks and amazingly they are both manufactured in little Sweden 😊
Well both brands has manufacturing facilities around the world
@@TruckTropia That is so true. In the UK the 2014 R450 Scania I drive was made in Netherlands.
In Brazil Scania has manufacturing facilities, a major player in South America.
Today, Scania has production facilities in Sweden, France, the Netherlands, Thailand, China, India, Argentina, Brazil, Poland, Russia and Finland. In addition, there are assembly plants in ten countries in Africa, Asia and Europe.
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@@TruckTropia Yea, but still Swedish brands.
@@Coole-ee1vg Scania is not Swedish today.
Some dates are wrong. Indeed Scania introduced the new model range in 2016 but they kept the 730hp as top of the line until late 2020 when they introduced the newest V8 engine generation with its 770hp. So Scania didnt had the crown for eight years. It was just a bit more than 3 years until Volvo launched their brand new 17.3l engine.
yup also scania has made a 1000hp truck to but it's some really special custom made one specificaly made for some mining industry i belive.
@@savagememes873 also volvo has a 1050 hp engine custom made , but we are talking about a mass production trucks and engines. So if u want the strongest u choose volvo
This channel gets most of their information totally wrong
@@savagememes873 you can just remap a 770 and get 1000hp
Yes until 23 September 2020
Some Americans be like: "what is 'Scania'?"
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maybe because you don't know the Scania T
@@thierrygamer2413still scania isn't that present in the US, so many people don't know about it
@@DaveeeOnTop scania is present in the us, look for the scania T or torpedo 😄
@@thierrygamer2413 present but not present enough
The battle must exist to improve the trucks. All Scania has to do is remap the V8 and itll be at 800 hp and still running clean. Then Volvo will go 830 hp and 4200 Nm of torque, and so on and so on.
They are making the engines more efficient that's why they are getting stronger .
The one with the strongest transmission is the winner .
Do you know if the Scania is having full power in all gears?
@bendermi no, unless the customer asks for that style of mapping. Even when the transmission is put in manual mode you don't get max power in the lower gears unless you ask the dealer to do it or get a remap from someone. The Volvo I drive now has a moderate hp/high torque tune from the factory ( 455hp/1850 ft-lbs ) and in manual mode or performance mode the engine doesn't go nowhere near the horsepower peak just because of the factory tune. It shifts slow and low, and gets high 7s to low 8s all the time. It can do better with more responsive tuning but the factory tune is for a new driver so they don't kill themselves. I've been driving for decades and am used to manual trucks and high powered vehicles.
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I was on the road in the seventies and eighties with my dad , we was driving an F89 , at that time the Scanias was breaking down because of a weak driveshaft, he told me the “fix” was to put in a driveshaft from Volvo , he also told me the Scania only had full power from sixths gear and up .
Scania is measured at the flywheel whereas Volvo is crank
Incorrect, Scania revealed the 770Hp late 2020 so they held the crown until early 2024 when Volvo brought out the D17 engines with 780Hp
acuatlly the scania is still the toughest ! as scania's hp is measured on the wheels.. and the volvo is measured on the crank..
@@blomsterfreak scania measures at the diff but otherwise correct :)
I love the FMX 500. It's one of the best-looking trucks in my opinion.
Good to know American trucks is only 20 years behind Europe and not 40 years like it would appear from the outside
I remember the F16 470 came in 1987, very impressive back then.
I think it's more their fanbases that keeps battling.
True 😅
@@TruckTropia I love Volvo than Scania, because Volvo is still ruling the luxury bus market in our India, whereas Scania has discontinued their buses in India and only manufacturing trucks. But Volvo is manufacturing both trucks and buses in our India. Trucks are by Volvo and Eicher and buses are by Volvo itself
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The horsepower increases because of higher efficiency, but the real power is the torque and everybody knows who got that right from the start .
So no need for a battle .
Without the driveshaft from Volvo the other truck would still be breaking down.
@@SaiCharanReddy-oz8ezScania buses here in the Philippines are rare and comfortable
the reason why Scania & Volvo is so good is this battle that has been going on for 100 years know!
3:20 stolen clip from Stavros969 video about Volvo F10. Clip shows Rory Linch himself
Yea, he's a little shitty on not giving credit on the clips
@@BURZT_YT That's called stealing. This channel is a thief
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Swede here: Why did Saab and Volvo battle over safety?
Simple: Cause why the fuck not? Some healty competition never hurts. One makes something better and the other one has to step its game up and so one. Eventually both will be better in general than the rest. Volvo and Saab cars were among the safest in the world at their glory time. And Scania and Volvo are among the best trucks in its own league above the rest.
Also, as a worker at research on Scania, hearing the news of the 780 Volvo... It made most of us laugh... Like come on 10hp? I guess 800 is there for us... Unlike their D17, our DC16 is proven, and capable of 1200... Just needs a stronger gearbox and aftertreatment system. And also cooling.
Years ago I laughed at Volvos ad about their newest engina at the time. "We have gained the tourque of the V8". They referred to Scanias top engine at the time. I thought, do they really think that Scania stopped developing their V8?! I don't think I6 will ever gain the tourque of V8 as long they both developed simultanius. And if it true that one here said that Volvo messurres from flywheel and Scania from wheels, the comparing is unfair.
@@markusylitalo8376 I think both measure the engine. You cant measure torque on the wheels, just horsepower. The torque at the propshaft is around 26000+ nm. And you can reach the torque of a V8 in an I6, however, something that isnt talked about is power delivery. A V8 has a much more balanced power output, while a I6 have "deadspots" where the engine isnt pumping out the top power even if its in the right RPM range.
And yes, it is noticable if you drive one. I notice the different engines after a few meters.
The d17 is just a d16 so it is proven, I just hope they put it in the CE machines. I’d off myself if Volvo had chosen a V8 and had put in any CE models.
Und genau dort klemmt die Säge! Scania Getriebe halten die Kräfte nicht ab! Volvo Getriebe sind viel weiter entwickelt, schon weil sie nicht nur Lkws und Pkws bauen,sondern auch Baumaschienen! Innovationsträger ist und bleibt Volvo!' Oder hat Scania mal was neues erfunden??? Doppelkupplungsgetriebe,Hochdach,Airbag, Einzelradaufhängung,usw.!
@@alexstromberg7696Aussdem ist der V8 sehr Kopflastig.
But hands down scania is the best with style, customizations, comfort, safety and popularity among people.
Nur Marketinghype! So gut ist er nicht! Am meisten hier in Europa liegen geblieben mit der Kiste!
@@thesaint7871 what the hell are you saying?
0:48 I can recognize the image is shot from ETS2
I can't believe I didn't spot it, well spotted! Such a fun sim to play and drive.
In 1999, Volvo tried to buy Scania, to merge the factories, this was rejected by the EU!
The EU was fully aware that this would mean death for the other truck factories in Europe, and since this would mainly affect Germany and France, (Mercedes, and Renault) it obviously hurt too much!
I have driven trucks for 44 years, equally divided between Volvo and Scania, but have always preferred Volvo, not because Scania is worse, but Volvo suits me better in terms of driving position and comfort. And at the same time, Volvo has always been ahead of Scania in terms of development.
Scania - VABİS V8 Legend.
The Puyo puyo Arle18TXX is also the worlds strongest inline six engine produced in USA and Australia with 955 horsepower and 4500 NM.
Iam here because me n the boys on ets2 we always race i drive a scania R730 most drive volvo 750... The 20 horse power difference is not much because i always beat them... The new 770 n 780 would be highly appreciated in ets2
Speaking of Volvo and Scania, I am interested in one question - since in Australia they use both European and american models of trucks, and both cabovers and long nosed, and we all know that both Scania and Volvo have long nosed models like the Volvo VNL and Scania T series, why aren't these two models of the brands popular in Australia? May be you can do a video on that topic.
T cabs don't exist from factory anymore. We still see the older series 3 ones from time to time.
Volvo dropped the VN series back in late 90s and no one can say why.
Although the new VNLs being 100% American manufactured means that it would be a large task to get RHD and Aus legal. Something they don't want to bother with in such a small market.
Simpler is better so inline is the better engine of the two . Less moving parts better balance , smoother, less fuel , less repair costs, longer life span , more torque at low rpm, wider powerband.....they are a lot to count
Because men are competitive and we we always want the best , fastest and strongest things.
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Well they have a good competition and many big hauling companys and heavy duty oversized goods are transportet with those trucks, so many fleets are out there.
Here in South Africa...85 % of lowbeds carrying the HEAVIEST OF THE HEAVIEST LOADS ARE VOLVO'S... MAYBE 10%%SCANIA'S... THE OTHER WANNABE'S A PALTRY 5% OF THE REST COMBINED!!!
Scania is the undisputed leader at all times and under all conditions.
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That's your opinion, volvo just as good
@@patodonovan274 I say this as someone who mostly drives a Volvo.
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3:31 you need to credit Stavros969.
One relevant detail is that Volvo measures HP at the crank but Scania measures at the diff. Scania 770hp makes 800+ at the crank
But, why Scania uses the term "gross power" in their DC1658A specs, instead of "net power"?
It still to be debated until someone dynobench both of trucks on a same dyno engine
thats bullsh*t, both scania and volvo measure hp at crank, this is easily known by just googling scania dc16 and it shows you a pdf with the engine specs showing the torque curves ect and guess what, that measured 770 is at the crank
@@ItzChaza Plus that specs do not include any load. Not even a truck.
Prove that... my friend!!
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Outnumbering a Scania V8! Volvo, the new king of the road!
Both these engines are not some of the most powerful in the world and not only in Europe! These beasts are the 2 most powerful on the planet without any other matching equivalent!,
Nope, there is the most powerful for on highway use but not the most powerful engines in the world at all
wrong Chinese shaman 8000 is the most powerful one with 800 hp
@@luisvalentim99china doesn’t really count, they would breakdown before the scania or Volvo needed its first oil change
Scania is brilliant.... but my blood is Volvo BLUE!!!
HAVE AN R620 HIGHLINE AND A VOLVO FH16-610 GLOBETROTTER.... VOLVO WINS HANDS DOWN!!!
And why volvo not scania brother?
Which do you OWN....I OWN BOTH top dogs with Top POWER!!
Try pulling out of a slush quarry with 80 tonnes payload...and then pull away without any problems??? BTW the Scania is 620 hp and the Volvo only 610 hp!!!
Hi Everyone!
I think both of the Truck Manufacturers are making great and reliable products.
One group for Volvo One group for Scania.
Thomas
Sweden showing all the world how to make proper trucks 😂😂😂 Volvo is just pure power no matter what is the beast but that v8 rumble is 😍😍😍👌
I like both, two best truck there is, and many close behind.
Meanwhile the most poweful engines we can get in North America is still the DD16 or ISX15 for literally the last 14 years.
😂 true
North American market is different a lot more highway travel where your not constantly stop and go so the higher horsepower number don’t really matter at those speeds, given though if you look aftermarket several cats and Cummins will be pushed past 700hp
@@user-wm9pj2xj7zyes with stratospheric fuel consumption and ridiculous torques. I have a friend to whom I sold my T800 with an ISX 600, he made some modifications raising it to 700hp, it has the same torque as I currently have in my Scania V8 620, but it consumes almost twice as much fuel as me and climbs slower
Both Scania and Volvo produce excellent trucks but even with lesser power and torque I prefer Scania trucks due to the sound of Scania V8 engine which is more beautiful than music to my ears.
Dates and engine sizes are not remotely accurate . The engine size is in the trucks name . An F10 = a 10 litre engine .
A Scania 143 is a 14 litre V8 3 series .
An FH12 is a 12 litre and nothing else , if it has the 16 litre engine it is an FH16 .
The FH16 was released in the early to mid Nineties , it replaced the F16 .
@@honkiebikedude Need to piece out that info about Volvo a bit:
The letters are all about the versions of the cab:
F = Frambyggd (Cabover)
N = Nos (Long hood) - not made anymore.
H = High cab
M = Medium cab
L = Low cab
Both the 7, 10 and the 12 litre trucks were available in all the versions H, M and L.. The smaller 4 and 6 litre didn't have a H cab and the 16 litre didn't have a L cab - if I got it right.
We want to know who is more reliable and durable. Scania or Volvo?
Depends on mode and engine
@@TruckTropia pls make video on this
@@originalguy4535 Depends of the usage, enviroment and gross weight of the truck, but from my experience in gravel trucking in Finland (76 ton total weight) 2013 Scania R620 around 550k km to engine rebuild and 2014 Volvo FH16 650 around 500k km to engine rebuild. So it depends alot from usage and terrain.
THEY'RE BOTH EXCELLENT... DEPENDS WHICH CLOWN IS BEHIND THE WHEEL!!!
MY LATE BROTHER DROVE AN FH12-420 WITH SUPER HEAVY LOADS AND AT 400,000 KM HAD USED BARELY 2MM OF THE ORIGINAL 28MM BRAKE PADS OVERALL ON THE TRUCK TRACTOR!!!
RIP DINO "BEANS" DE AGUIAR!!!
Depending aspects. Volvo has stronger chassis and faster gearbox for many years. Scania v8 is more complicated engine, more bearings, injectors, pipes etc. For building sites are better different marks as military use them. Both are very good trucks and top strongest models cost top prices. Otherwise Chinese truck has 800hp and cost just over half price
nice video, but you say a lot of inaccuracies in relation to the models, the dates and the hp.
For sure Scania, maybe because I learned on it and never change the brand.V8 500
Now is Scania's turn. And i say they are the one who will achieve 800 hp first.
Short answer: marketing
Healthy competition is good for all involved; V8 for me.
Horsepower is useless when it comes to heavy duty diesel engines. What matters is torque.
A lot of specs are wrong indeed, like displacement and HP, still a nice video
You guys are so lucky in America Volvo has a 425 hp D 13 engine with 2.14 rear ends that spit out a whopping 1650 foot pounds of torque
It has a few reasons, a V8 in US trucks makes less sense since you have a nose and therefore length of the engine is less of an issue. Also weight, in Finland they a road legal truck and trailer may weigh up to 100 metric tons and that with mountains. Whilst the US is relatively flat Europe has 3 mountain ranges, with the Alps the pyrenese and technically the ural mountains in Russia but that is a bit of the split between Europe and Asia. And even then those extreme engines are a rare sight with only fanbases driving those. But most are still between that 400 to 550 HP mark.
I think it's because we Swedes have always liked to compete, not least in technology. The Swedish “lagom” does not exist here.
Interesting to know what had happened if Scania and Volvo had merged as they planned to do many years ago. I believe both brands would still have existed with their own look but they would've shared a lot of the technology (just like KW and Peterbilt in the US). V8 or not - we will never know.
But the plan was stopped by the EU because they were afraid that these trucks would've been too dominant. But they had no problem with VW Trucks and Buses buying Scania - this obviously because Eu is dominated by big countries like Germany and France. Sweden is pretty tiny if we talk about population.
Ten horsepower difference is not a battle. That is just marketing BS.
😂
I'm inclined to believe that they don't battle each other for having the most powerful engine for the sake of having the most powerful engine. Instead, they both operate in the same market and neither can affort to fall significantly behind. Also in parts of Scandinavia and Finland trucks can be significantly more heavy than elsewhere (exception is of course Australia), and it's often somewhat mountaineous terrain. So even with 780HP it might not be an absurd abundance of power and the need for more is easily justifiable.
It then boils down to who's having the more lucky hand with their latest development, and when the next release of a newer version happens.
I Always go for scania ❤
There really is no competition. Scania is vastly more popular among drivers and owner operators.
Tho I have seen that Volvo is more common for heavy hauling.
I still love Scania.
Where are the German trucks? Any of them above 700hp? The last time I knew, MAN managed 680hp with their last V8 engine, before pursuing a straight six. It was temporarily the most powerful, as Volvo and Scania were still loitering around 600hp.
Only Scania and Volvo make 700+ hp trucks in Europe now. The chinese Sachman has a 800hp V8 and is rhe strongest factory made road truck in the world today.
Volvo for life! ❤
At first sight it seems that Volvo's D17 engine is just a drilled up D16 - the same stroke but a bigger cylinder bore - but I believe there is more than that...
Volvo all the way for me, but as always everybody is free to choose what fits best to there needs…. 😃👍🏻
I thank there both nice trucks
When it comes to diesel engines a V8 always win. It is going to be interesting how to compete with those new electric drivelines! Or will it be comfort? Most gimmicks?
MAN, DAF, FORD, IVECO, VOLVO, VOLKS, SCANIA, M. BENS. 🙄
I like them both but volvo has always looked better to me. I also think other truck brands have copied the Volvo look.
Scania doesn't
@lanfenglxf No your right Scania has its own unique look.
I love scania, Volvo is very impressive too but I still like a scania 😂
This is why Cat stopped makes engines for heavy duty trucks, because they know they will lose their legacy for not being able to make powerful and efficient engines while being compliant with emissions.
Was there really any battling untill late 00´s?
For real
There was a lot of battling in the 1960/70's that's when the horsepower race really started in Europe.
It's also what began the end of the British truck industry - our typical attitude of "we're the best, take us or leave us" and the market left them. Thing is, Britain was the best for a long time, but we sat on our hands whilst the competition over took us.
In the mid 60's, your best offerings from a British truck manufacturer was a 180hp Gardner, a Leyland 680 (180-200hp) or some offered a 220 Cummins usually detuned to 205hp.
When trucks like the Volvo F88 dropped with 270hp in 1965 then the first Scania V8's in 1969 with 350hp it's no wonder our hauliers switched.
Numbers aren't that impressive today but going from 180hp to 270hp is a 50% increase in power - staggering at the time.
Imagine one of the US truck manufacturers announcing tomorrow that they were releasing a 900hp otr truck - that's how significant that's how significant those power gains were in the 60/70's TV
@@deezelfairy During the 1950s I visited Scotland as a sailor. At one point we unloaded pulp to four-axle trucks such as AEC and Leyland. It was cold weather and the drivers sat in short cabins and wiped the windows with rags. It did not seem to find effective heat in the cabins. But there were in the Volvos and Scania Vabis that were later sold in the UK.
As for Volvo, mostly F86 was sold in the UK. According to what was heard, it was the best profit to sell F86 instead of F88.
@@spv1093 That was the thing, British hauliers were tight with their money which is why the F86 was more popular then the F88.
It's also why you'd see our drivers wiping their windows with rags as back then a heater was an 'optional extra' on British trucks of that period.
You had a real good boss if you got any options that were for driver comfort. With the Swedish manufacturers things like heaters were standard fitment. Sleeper cabs weren't a big thing in British trucks either - drivers were generally expected to sleep on top of cover over the engine hump in the cab 😂
there is so many misinformation in this video. The Scania 4 series had 530 horsepower back in 1995 not 470 you can even see it on the grill smh, the Scania R series had 620 horsepower in 2005 not 580, the 730 horsepower was indeed released in 2010 but in 2016 when the next generation scania trucks came (R and S series) it still had the 730 horsepower. the 770 came in 2020
One more fascinating thing is that they both compete even in bus industry❤
Scania take their hp rating from the axle. Volvo from the flywheel.. If Scania took their hp from the flywheel the 770 is actually 840hp. End of story
Bullshit ,volvo has a bigger engine & more torque what ever scania will Do Volvo will follow both makes are good
No they dont
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Its like rap, East coast vs west coast. Södertälje vs Gothenburg
Why Scania & Volvo Keep Battling To Be The Strongest?
You need to study your specs a lot more thoroughly before posting these videos.
The Volvo F-series was released in 1977 with a 10 liter F10 and a 12liter F12. Top of the line at release was 320hp. 1979 saw the Globetrotter cab emerge and be a huge success for the F12.
The F-series got a big brother in 1988 with the 16liter 465hp F16, and then rightly evolved into the FH series in 1993.
Scania ran 11 and 14liter engines from their 110 straight 6 and 140 V8 up through the years, coming out with a smaller 8liter with the 2 series, the 82, upgraded to 9 liters with the 93. Along with the 4 series came also a 16liter V8 as the new king of the road, and as they say, the rest is history.
The 2 brands have always battled. Not only on horsepower. On everything. Safety, fuel mileage, design, ease of use, smoothest transmission, heaviest hauler, highest payload, driver comfort... For a great many years they have been the benchmark trucks, although way outsold by Mercedes and also compeeting with great trucks made by dutch PACCAR owned Daf.
You don't know how the horse power is measured in these two different manufacturers I see
Volvo measures the power in flywheel while Scania measures from the wheels, which means that all losses are already subtracted yet, volvo include losses
If you include losses, you'll end up with 700hp
No they dont
Volvo übertragen übertrifft mit der Innenausstattung in Scania von außen sind beide gleich geil❤❤❤
The difference is that Volvo measure horsepower at the flywheel, while Scania measures horsepower at the rear wheels.
No they dont
If that was the fact, I think Scania already would have informed something about that instead of staying quiet and admit that Volvo is stronger. I'm sure that some standards are set for how to measure engine power and torque on every truck.
Both measured to the same standard.
The video clip of the GMC (Jimmy)COE.
How many times can you say robust in a video?
Shackman is the new king
Why stopped Scania R1000?
Just my thoughts: They probably didn't find it economically viable. Scania make marine versions of the same V8 with up to 1150hp, so the power itself isn't the problem. But the whole drive line and the cooling system must also be upgraded to withstand the torque and power and the same time the engine has to meet the emission standards. The emission standards aren't so strict for marine engines. It's a lot of development work. The truck would be expensive and probably wouldn't be very popular.
Volvo❤❤❤❤❤❤
Will it fit in a miata?
Are they stronger than those classic KWs Petes?
Yes 💪
Very easy...
KW and Pete is just the badge, they use industrial engines like Cummings and Cat, used in multiple truck brands ranging from 450 to 600hp.
❤️🔥💪volvo💪🔥❤️ ❤️❤️❤️Drivers safety first that's volvo concept ❤️❤️❤️
saab scania on top🙌
@Karen McClaren... not French OR Chinese!
South 🇿🇦 African of Portuguese actually!!!
I'm still don't know. But...
There can be only one 😝😉
VOLVO IS THE BOSS... PERIOD!!!
@@sollydeaguiar2221 French? Or Chinese one? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Very nice but, some of the details are not accurate. Volvo had a 16-liter V8 at the 90’s with 520HP., (this is just one detail that is not mentioned at the clip and there are more )
No. The 16 litre engine Volvo introduced in 1987 was an inline 6 with 470hp at first. The only V8 Volvo has mounted in a truck was a 3.6 litre petrol engine, B36, with 120hp, made between 1956 and 1966
There are a lot of errors in this video, would make a quite a list.
Finnish Sisu have 900hp
It's not a matter of strength. It's POWER.
Interesting review, but many fact mistakes and confusions.
Because of jealousy i guess, western media refuse to admit that their engines was inferior compared to Chinese ones. Western media jealous to admit that their engines is not the most powerful ones. The most powerful truck engine at this moment belongs to Chinese made weichai v8 installed in their latest shacman 8000 with 800 hp & almost 17000 cc with 16 manual transmission & automatic transmission also available and equipped with hub reduction for heavy duty operation. I love when western people became more and more jealous with other nation more superior than them and western engineering overtime became more & more inferior. Why jealous? Huhuhu.
That torque curve from the Volvo 780hp engine looks like a bad joke...
I've been telling everyone this exact thing! I think Volvo not really serious to challenge the 770 Scania. Scania 770 have better and wider torque curve.
@@ajidamarjati A hill climb test with 40t would be interresting.
I bet the Scania would be the winner.
@fortune300Und danach Schrott!
End the battle and show us the torque curve let the facts speak.
There has always been one king of the road and the winnee has the widest torque curve .
Volo the best
funny fact, if iveco wants, already have a 1000 hp marine V8 turbo diesel that just need conversion to shut them down. FPT rules.
Another fun fact, truck engines and marine engines are not the same. Marine engines are tuned for a lot more horse power and in many cases less reliable.
@@rude252 maybe the opposite, marine engine can't left you stranded in the open sea like a truck into an open road. Anyway, adapt it to euro 6 and so on, sure will have a drop, easily i bet could stay on 800 hp easily. Because it's a marine engine born from V8 of turbostar.
@@sibbolo9204 Scania's most powerful marine version of the 16 litre V8 has 1200hp.
Currently in India, The powerful truck is Volvo 540 fmx cab(if I I not wrong). Volvo didn't released its fh series engines. But,scania launched uts super engine this year in March and max hp is 560hp. But,scania is giving 560hp oy in tippers.
you r wrong
Volvo measure HP at the flywheel, while Scania measure HP at the diff.. Scania motor still stronger than Volvo
If that was true, I think Scania already would have informed something about that instead of staying quiet and admit that Volvo is stronger?
I'm sure that the same standards are set for how to measure engine power and torque on every truck.
Ya I have same doubt
I know you love scania but that isn't really....😑
@@ontheroadagain4773if that was the case how come scania 730 smashing a 750 Volvo on drag race 🤔
@@charlienewbanks3835 Drag race?? These trucks aren't built for drag race, they're built to pull heavy loads. A test should be made on a long uphill (like Hallandsåsen in Sweden) with fully loaded trucks.
And it's a little more complicated than just the engine power or the engine torque. It's also about transmission, aka efficient gear ratios. I don't doubt that Scania could win that race. 20hp more isn't so much here either.
You forgot Daf trucks
Hahahahahahahhahahah nice joke