BLUETTI AC300 240v Split Phase Home Backup Generator Integration Kit | How To
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- Опубликовано: 27 окт 2023
- The Professor reviews the DIY Home Backup Integration Kit for the Bluetti AC300 LiFePO4 solar powered battery generator that will run 240v split phase and 120v critical loads in most homes.
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i wish i had that kind of money to buy 2- AC300 and run them in Split Phase. One would be all i needed
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A discount code for "...the lowest price ever in the world and in the universe...". Even if one were to find this deal cheaper in a different universe, the cost for shipping would be out of this world.
Good one
Very helpful. Thanks for putting this together. I appreciate the level of detail that you provided, at a pace that was “consumable” by my moderate input brain. It’s helpful to know that you can get 240V from the AC300. Good on Bluetti for making the AC 300 capable to work with the same home integration kit as the AC 500.
Thank you so much for doing this video. I never would have even thought of attempting this without this video. I believe many other people feel the same. 🤗💖 ODIN!!!!!
You are amazing 😀👍wish I could get all your info to sink in, Thank you so much! So kind of you to help everyone.
Thanks for using simple layman's terms.
Good instruction....! I plan to use my AC to DC going to the solar charge ports so I can use my 2kw portable generator or small gas generator. I like that integration cable from Bluetti but I got several rv to 4 blade converter plugs....heavier and bulky compared to the Bluetti 240v cable. Keep up the good work.
I just installed a 6 circuit transfer box off my single Bluetti AC300 +(2) BC300 and it was very easy, even for someone like me who has very little knowledge of electricity. Of course I'm now considering buying another AC300, 2 more batteries and an interlock kit now. Strangest thing happened, I finished my install and we had our first power outage in months not 2 hours later. Power was only off for under 2 hours but it was very nice having our TV, WiFi and refrigerators all working. This was money well spent IMO.
As always, thank you.
Impressive setup of all those units behind you--brings to mind the Marshall Stacks that you would've seen at a Who concert in the 70s
How much does that whole setup cost? $20,000?
Excellent review, Thank you for your time
Excellent job on the intro! 😎👍
Thank you sir for the important information.
So appreciate this video. Thanks soooo much!
Great review.
I am looking forward to the Hobotech review of the Anker Solix F3800.
You'll be looking for a long time because I'm not reviewing any Anker products at least not in the next 6 months. There are plenty of better options out there for your money and not from a company that lies to its customers.
A friend of me uses in California one european AC300/B300 unit with 230 volt, that he charges with solar panels.
Yeah it's kind of weird you have to jump through these hoops for 240v in the USA and Japan when the companies make natively 240v ones for the UK and EU! Be nice if they offered some sort of "world site" where you can specify the kind you want, and just use an adapter.
You have to understand the EU/AUS models are 240v 50hz single phase and absolutely useless for American appliances.
I asked my friend why he uses an EU Bluetti with 230 volts in the USA in the single phase network.
He has medical equipment connected to it. These can be used with 120-240 volts and 50/60 hz.
The 230 volt EU Bluetti would run more stable than in the 120 volt system. ???
The single-phase three-wire system (split-phase electric power), sometimes incorrectly referred to as the two-phase power system, is the common power supply for homes and small businesses in the USA. Three-phase alternating current (AC), which has been common in Europe for many decades, is often not available for many consumers in the USA.
Do the linked units do anything to keep the battery level consistent between the two as various single phase appliances draw on each phase at different rates? Or could you potentially run out of power on one phase before the other?
@15:25 If installing where exposed to any type of moisture, it should have a NEMA 3R designation which means it is listed for wet location use.
Can't seem to find the answer anywhere. What is the effect on surge wattaage when you have 2 ac300 in split phase? Does it double as well?
You do NOT need that Bluetti cable to charge the split-phase AC300's with 120v. You do need (2) 120v outlets, (1) from each phase. You need 1 outlet from each Phase from your main panel. Each AC300 needs to be fed 120v from the same phase it operates on. Bluetti has a video describing how this has to work. ruclips.net/video/aDLxv5oM5kg/видео.htmlsi=OJBQBIHx82XvZMwT
You can also use Bluetti T500 chargers that Allow you to put 500W directly into each battery. With T500's you could use a 2000 generator, or wall outlets to put 500w into each battery. With T500's phase does not matter.
With any Transfer switch you must have switched neutrals or you will fry the Bluetti. The neutral from the AC300 must be kept separate from the grid neutral. I have been using 2 AC300's ant 4 B300 batteries for most of this year with 4000W of panels for most of this year. I run most of the house with the year using almost 5 Megawatts of solar used. I do not run the heat pump or water heater. They have done wonderful. I do wish a firmware update will add timers and some logging to the AC300 or/and the app.
I'm fixing to put a 6 circuit Reliance 306CRK transfer box in. I'm very new at this stuff so I hope you can answer a question for me. I have 1 AC300 and 2 BC300 batteries. I am only generating 120 and have read and saw instructions until I'm blue in the face but still am uncertain about a few things. (1) I bought a TT 30 to L-14-30 adapter to plug from the AC300 to my extension chord then to my transfer box. I don't understand how I will have all 6 breakers if there are 2 sets of three but I have seen this done on other videos. (2) You scared me about "frying the Bluetti" with an improper neutral. The instructions say to attach the neutral to the neutral bar in my box and the ground to my ground bar or neutral bar in the electric box. Do you see a hazard to any of this or is this only something to worry about with split phase? Any help would be appreciated.
You seem to be the one to ask:I am not going to use a transfer switch,I will have a L14-30 plug hardwired to my main panel on an interlock switch(like my generator).
Should I not wire the neutral from the panel to the box that the bluetti will feed?
Thanks for any help
@hobotech I discovered a HUGE thing to keep in mind when using transfer switches over sub panels with the AC300!!! (read for more info) Transfer switches only switch the hot side(s) and share the common neutral and ground from the main panel WHERE AS quality sub-panels switch the entire panel (the hot(s) and neutral) between the grid and another source (generator or AC300). The AC300 ground input and ground output are isolated (what I would think as lifted).
For that panel: unplug the AC charging inputs from the grid before you power up the AC output and activate the transfer switch! Can still use DC (solar) charging or a gas powered generator into the AC300 as needed for extended grid down while having the AC300's AC output turned on. Just remember to isolate the AC300's charging input from the AC output!
The AC300 suffers from a problem that causes partial self destruction If the AC300 is connected to the grid and the transfer switch at the same. The reason is the AC300 charging input and AC output are not isolated when those functions are both operating (charging and AC output). One can burn up the FETs (transistors) in the H-bridge circuit used to drive the output (PWM into a low pass filter for smooth sine-wave) because the "shared" neutral provides a path for a short (from the rectified input to the PWM output) in these types of transfer switch (which is legal and UL listed).
It happened with several units and I suggested talking to Bluetti engineers and confirmed that the charging inputs and AC outputs require isolation (both hot and neutral lines) if you plan to use both at the same time.
I ended up purchasing an expensive $700 "medical grade" isolation transformer between the AC300 unit and the grid as there are times I want to keep the AC300 topped up (aka continuous or online UPS-like) up during ruff weather. My transfer switch is automated (search APC UTS series, I have a UTS-6H which only requires 120V hence only one AC300) instead of a manual one as you listed in this video.
I'd love to meet up at some point, but I am many states away up in the the PNW (Pacific North West).
Great explanation-thank you @HOBOTECH. You mentioned that the Bluetti AC 300 won’t charge while it is outputting in 240V split phase. But will it charge with AC or DC when you are only using one AC 300 unit with the 30 amp RV outlet to a transfer switch? How about the EcoFlow Delta Pro? Can the EcoFlow DeltaPro charge from AC or DC while outputting 120V 30 amp power from its RV outlet port?
Incorrect. I said it will only charge with 240v split while in split phase mode. You can't charge it from 120v individually. In single phase mode you can do whatever.
It would have helped me if you let us know how long that set up lasts on average. Like with moderate use will it run the house for 2 days with no solar input? Also the price at the time of the video would be useful. Thank you for all your reviews they are very helpful.
How big is your house? What do you consider moderate? See I can't answer this. You have to do your own energy audit. How to find the price was mentioned. You click the link then apply the discount. Prices change. The video doesn't.
Your earlier videos led to my initial purchase of the AC300/B300 2 years ago as a ~ UPS for a critical piece of equipment in my home. I have since built up to the exact setup pictured in this video that I am about to hookup to a combination of grid and solar(the latter thru a solaredge inverter) coming in thru the main panel with additional solar plugged directly to the Bluetti .For everybody's information the integration kit contains the Y shaped charging cable.
I understand the Transfer switch prevents backfeeding/net metering to/thru the grid so what happens to energy collected by the solar panels attached directly to the Bluetti when the batteries are full?
If you are not home during a blackout how would you switch from grid power to battery (or vice versa if you normally run on battery which runs out of charge while not at home)?
What do you think of using the 240V outlets for a level 2 charger, particularly for a hybrid vehicle?
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Seems like the other split phase adapter seems easier to me. This of course would back up wall outlets directly, but expensive, and needing an electrician to wire this up is a bit too much friction for me. As long as I can run 240v on the other split phase adapter I am happy with that option as it's easier to set up.
You can get 240 volts with 1 ac300 or any other power station with a simple adapter cord.. Parkworld 886115 Combiner, Household (2) 5-15 Plug to Generator Twist Lock L14-30 Receptacle Y Adapter Cord
The only way you can get 240v from one AC300 is to get one from another country and it would be useless for powering American 240v appliances.
Good Review. Thank you. As for charging the units with the 240V specialty plug that splits the lines into each Bluetti, must the 240V input be split phase? Most generators with a 240V output are usually single phase. Thanks
Yes, because each Bluetti needs opposite phase 120v as explained in the video.
Most 240V generators in the US have a 4 prong split phase outlet
@@HOBOTECH Thanks. I cannot seem to find a singular split phase 240v inverter generator out there. From what I gather I would need two and a combiner box. If that is the case, then for emergency use only, the pair of inverter generators would be sufficient for 240v split phase without the battery setup.
This was good news and interesting information. Thanks 😊
Can you have a 50 amp plug coming out of two 200 amp panels with a manual shut off and then connect to Bluetooth do that and pick and choose the breakers
Yeah Reliance lives an hour from where I live. Am I to speak to you but for me to buy it from them directly.
Big question for you:Can you not bypass the transfer box and install directly to an interlock in your main breaker box?This is how I have my gas generator hooked up,would be nice to have this alternative.A and B switch between gas generator and the Bluetti,best of both worlds.Please let me know if this is doable,thank you!
Yes, this is what I have setup in the lab ... and the reason why I didn't wire it up to my own panel.
@@HOBOTECH Thank you kind sir!
I have 1 AC500 and this same exact reliance transfer switch.
I had an electrician come out and he looked confused by what i wanted him to hook up for me.
I think I will save the money and do hit myself.
My question for you is if I have to run it 3 ft away from the main box, that pipe for wire cover that you showed won't be long enough. Do I just pick up something like that at Home Depot that's longer?
Yeah just get conduit from the Depot.
@15:08 those are Flexible Metallic Conduit connectors. Looks like you have two pieces? One 90 degree and one straight? Or two 90s? Can’t see both clearly. Did they include the red anti-short bushings AKA red heads? If not, you can get them at Home Depot or an electrical supply house. Should be 1” trade size (this is not not the actual dimension but it is close).
Please please tell me what kind of air conditioner exactly can I hook up to this and can I hook up an air conditioner to an Ecoflow Ultra ???
Curious if two AC 500 can be used in the same configuration, and would there be any advantage to doing so?
Yes exactly the same. The only difference are the two cables. The advantage is 10kw of power and heated batteries.
@@HOBOTECH Thank you VERY much. I really wanted this info, and I know two van builders who I'll be directing to this video, and this Q/A. Pretty sure both already watch, but when I point out specifics, they go right for them. I won't forget to mention to them your website to peruse what's for sale. Thanks for all of us.
Way above my experience. Great device but I would call an qualified electrician to mess with the box and wire the wires up. I have the AC 200 Max and its great. Just weighs a ton. lol
Any chance of a review of the new small Bluettis? The AC2A and AC70, I beleive.
Yep. I'm surprised no one spotted the box yet in this video.
Hello. Thank you for your work. I have one question though. Why don't you just take EU version that can give 230V (single unit)?
USA power grid is split phase 240v 60hz. Completely different hardware than EU.
@@HOBOTECH , EU bluetti can work with 50 or 60 hz (you can change it in settings) and 230V is not that much of a difference. I'm not an electrician, but quick googling claims that "your toaster won't be able to tell the difference"
Did they fix it so the battery will come back to charge on after being drained when solar power comes online? his would be helpful for remote cabins with no one around to turn batteries back on.
If you kill it, it will turn itself back on with solar in the morning but the inverter will remain off until you turn it back on which you can do remotely. It's actually a bad idea to kill it daily anyway. Size up your system so it doesn't run out of power.
@@HOBOTECH Thanks for the reply. I try not to let my SGs go below 25% but doo doo happens on extended cloudy days.
Hobo, can the reliance transfer switch switch automatically when the grid power goes down? That would be a feature I would want when I’m not at my cabin to do it manually.
This is a manual switch. However the Bluetti has a ups so if you leave it on "gen" you can pass thru grid power through the Bluetti.
Thank you, would pass thru current/load be limited to what the dual AC300 inverter’s can handle or strictly pass thru grid power w UPS backup?
I heard that if i plugged in the bluettis both to a charge circut from my breaker box with the special cable and also plugged in the output cables into this kit at the same time it would somehow fry the bluetti because of something to do with the neutral wires is this true? I am asking because my utility provider charges me on time of use and if i can have it plugged in all the time i could set the charge timer to not charge when i am in the high rate timeframe. I bought one of the ac 300s a few years ago and was almost ready to buy the second one but i dont want to damage it if it can habdle this.
If you use the Bluetti cables there is no chance of damage.
Can I do this set up with two AC200Ls and 4 B300 batteries ?
Hi hobotech have you done a review of the VTOMAN Jump 1500X Portable Power, do you rate it? Thanks
RUclips search is your friend.
@@HOBOTECH thanks regrettably I tried this but couldn't find links for your channel, I assumed you had done one. I searched VTOMAN Jump 1500X Portable Power hobotech but got not nothing. have a good weekend, thanks for your hard work.
Hi, I am building an off grid cabin to live in year round in Maine. does this have an auto generator start incase the solar panels do not keep up in the winter?
No
@@HOBOTECH thank you
Can you please review the D300s Bluetti stepdown inverter?
I don't review step down converters. I would have no way to anyway as it requires a high voltage array.
@@HOBOTECH that's unfortunate
Will this setup work with 2 200max? Or one 200max one 300?
No
Greetings. Is there a discount code for 120/240 home integration kit?
No, I asked for one they refused.
What is happening with this Bluetti AC300/B300 240v setup while charging only with PV solar? When not plugged in to an AC source for charging does the PV solar only charge to the batteries and the AC discharging only from the batteries? If this is the case will the multiple cycles of PV charging and AC discharging during a day on a regular long term basis shorten the life of the batteries. How should charging with only PV while also AC discharging be managed? As in an off grid solar configuration not grid tied solar.
PV will charge all the time it is available. This has a configurable UPS. You can get it to charge at certain times or percentages with grid power or solar. There is no effect on the battery. If it is left hooked to grid it will use that first then the batteries if the grid loses power.
are you using 50amp or 30amp?
I need this kind of solution but I'm 10 mins into the video and I'm now struggling why the words "transfer switch" have yet to be said.
13:43 in the shot of the manual are the words printed "transfer switch" -- I'm a little relieved.
Groovy!!!
Great explanation, although with my tech/mechanical ignorance I would still be hesitant to set this thing up - I'd be afraid that I was going to blow something up or burn my house down.
Speaking of burning houses down and UL listed products, I used to have a mobile home which had been built with a Federal Pacific Electric (FPE) circuit breaker panel with "Stab-Lok" circuit breakers. FPE had faked its UL testing and falsely claimed - and labeled its product with - unjustified UL listing. The breaker box was widely used in homes across the country and had caused many fires and other disasters. ( Fortunately I had no fire, just things like wall outlets and light sockets that went dead and circuit breakers which couldn't be replaced because the hoax had come out and no one would work with the things.
You see why I am so hesitant to work with sort of stuff. If you can't trust a UL underwriting you can't trust anything.
How does it sync the the 2 Phases at 180 deg ?
There is a sync cable between the two AC300 I sort of forgot to show. It can be seen in the half dozen or so videos Bluetti published on the unit.
Thank God other manufacturers are coming to the rescue from this type of clutter setup.
Anker Solix F3800 doesn't need interface unit to generate split phase. Its already built in. You only need one unit to generate 240acv.
Segway Cube power stations don't even need them ugly expansion cables.
Its built on a docking system.
I ordered Segway kick starter for 569.00
Anker has theirs for 2,500 for the 3.8 kwh on the kick starter. Nice, but I'll stick to DIY.
The F3800 doesn't support charging when outputting 240V though
@@TheStopwatchGod
Its a Kickstart. They'll fixed that.
I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole.
@@HOBOTECH
You will.
I expect you to receive one from them in 2024.
Bluetti and Ecoflow were nobody when they launched. Everyone only knew Jackery.
Segway were battery experts way before Jackery.
Anker is a well known name.
I like to see EGO to get into true power stations and not their OPE battery powered.
The 240v split phase seems to become easier and more reliable. That’s good.
Now we need some reviews of actual 240V inverters, inverter/chargers and solar generators.
Got mine 2 tears ago need another B300 thanks
Will the AC200 work the same?
No
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With two head units can you have more than four batteries 6,8, ?
I would also like to know
You can have up to 8 batteries total for 24kwh.
@@HOBOTECH Now that is awesome!Thank you again,very versatile setup-I like!
Of course, we can't charge with solar well then. I just uncovered a snow and solar. And it's gotta charge with solar because it don't got no AC connection possibility unless run a Extension cord two miles To the neighbor house which I don't think is possible. Or in this case, it's gonna be solar panels and solar panels. Only no gas generators, because I won't have one.
Why can't "they" invent a device for 2 ecoflow river pros (or other brand generators) to be synched together for a 1200w inverter?
(or I don't know what I'm talking about?)
Delta Pro does this too.
The Australian version is 240 V - would this work in the USA ? And the new version in Australia is AC500 / 5,000W Rated Power (10,000W Surge) / Expandable Capacity From 3,072Wh to 18,432Wh / Outlets ... 3 x 240V/10A ... 2 x 240V/15A ... 1 x 240V/32A ... 5,000W In Total / Pure Sine Wave / Surge Power: 10,000W
Nope. Your power is 240v 50hz single phase. Totally incompatible. Totally different inverter.
@@HOBOTECH 😅 it’s complicated, that’s why I’m buying off the shelf and just plug in… thanks 🙏
In paper grate video but not cost efficient for price of all those components. Is more cheap and efficient a Growatt, Solark or another all in one inverter with solars panel.
I agree. I have this exact bluetti system as well as the Growatts. The bluetti is much easier to set up, but much less efficient. The bluetti batteries are way to expensive compared to even the 5kw rack batteries that I got with the Growatts. I have 2 Growatt systems one with the rack batteries and one with the 12v rv batteries. Both have higher capacity than the bluetti and cost far less. The bluetti has more issues than either other systems and often gets failures and stops charging. Bluetti also has horrible customer support.
Where’s the review for the Bluetti AC2A & AC70?
When it comes out.
I think it would be helpful to explain the difference between a bonded neutral and a floating neutral...(this box is intended to be used with a GEN source with a floating neutral). The special cable is to keep from frying the 120V AC grid power due to the floating neutral...(It would fry it if it is out of phase)
That's beyond the scope of this video designed for beginners. If you hook it up as shown there is no chance of damaging anything. I can do a video on neutrals some other time.
Absolutely. Blown up as soon as you plug it in!
In theory can Someone use the Y cable to Power a 240 V device in a pinch without the integration BOX
Yes
Discount code for batteries not working
I just tried it. Works perfectly fine. Use the link and the code.
But isnt european model by default 240v
We use split phase 60hz 240v in the US. Totally different.
Your discount code did not work.
Discounts work for a limited time
Couldnt they just make a 240 only unit??
You could try importing an EU, UK or Aussie one. Actually, aside from the weight, it shouldn't be too much hassle, as the head unit doesn't contain any batteries (unlike the smaller models). You can buy your batteries "locally", those should all the the same.
As I said many times the EU/AUS 240v is 50hz single phase and totally incompatible with American appliances.
I should point out first of all that he "integration kit" is nothing but an off the shelf R510A Pro/Tran transfer switch that sells for around $400 at most home improvement stores. But that being said they're good units and I've installed several of them.
As for the Bluetti system itself - don't get me wrong, I like Bluetti. I have an AC200Max and B300 battery and have had zero problems and it works exactly as specified. But if you need a 240V split phase system this is not the way to go. Without discounts this set up would cost about $10K for something with 12 kwh battery capacity and 6 kw load capacity. I just put in a whole house solar system with 13kw load capacity and a 30 kwh battery bank, twice the capacity of this system, for $12K including cables, switches, circuit breakers, everything, not including solar panels. And that's using premium components with no short cuts. If I'd been willing to go with cheaper batteries I could have brought that system in for about the same cost as this.
You should do a video! I'm sure many of us would appreciate it.
@@NyneIX9 There are already dozens of videos showing people designing and installing the same setup I have or close to it. And it isn't hard to do.
Like I said, I like Bluetti's equipment, I've never had a problem with their stuff. But when it comes to these larger systems? They don't make sense economically, especially if you're looking for something that can run your entire house.
Why in the world do you think you need to babysit a solar power system? If you're using decent, modern equipment and batteries, once it's installed and configured there is literally nothing else to do. I haven't touched mine since it was put in back in March.
I had three of the batteries from BLUETTI 700, 1800, 200max and with 400 solar panels for the main power in takes . I purchased the 200 Max in November 2022 and only used it for a month then broke down and contacted the company, and they sent me a replacement. I only used 200 Max for the Air-fryer and used 30 minutes maximum for 4 times a week. After 6 months using it, then recently we found out that the battery is losing 30% every morning without anything plugged in. So we googled it what was going on and how to fix it. So we got some information that we need to using out the power first then charge it back on from the AC unit (house wall) and using it empty and charging back on and do it three times but still not fixed the problem. One year using and cost me $1800 how much I paid for it . Hopefully and finger crossed that
the other two 700 and 1800 ( this two just for the first backup and emergency use only so we have not tested them out yet)) will not do the same . But I feel like having already lost a faith in this company!
20 kw a day using what. I use barely over 6 kw. My solar bluetties can cover it most of the year.
Love all the power but if you are willing to air dry clothes and use a portable oven 110 will do.
*well pump not withstanding 🎈
GenerLink... then plug in Bluetti or petrol gen set into home.
Show me the money
Just buy a ZENDURE 6400 RUNS 240 out of box and cheaper
wat nice
@daveyd0071 LOL!! It's actually 6.4kw SEMI SOLID battery. Good luck paying just one thousand dollars. Plus you do know you need to add at least a 3800 watt inverter? That's at least $1,900. Plus plugs, displays, fans,wires, racks, labor and time that most of us don't have. I paid $3,600 for my Superbase 6400 with 6.4 kw. You can't build cheaper and as nice as this unit.
2:19 each one is three kilowatt **hours** not three kilowatt
It's a very nice product 👌,,, buuuuut it's a waste of money.... compared to a DIY ,, it's bulkier them other DYI if u buy all the stuff,,, by waaaaay more storage if u spend the same $ in LIFE4 if u wer 2 buy the Bluetieeeeee.. do the math and get scare....
That is stupid! Anyone that would buy that is a foul! They just came out with an EG4 6000XP. Just get a battery and you have 240 volts. Bluetti is a JOKE!
I definitely agree
Still doing Ecoflow Delta🫣
idk
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