I personally think shared religions are the problem, I'm a happy agnostic, but I understand that for any adult it is their choice, I just think that religion is something that we should choose as adults, not indoctrinated as children.
I think belief in an afterlife is a HUGE problem. Russian president once said "if nuclear war happens we, russians, just go straight to the heaven, while rest people just die". Atheistic and agnostic people more value their life and less ready to war. If they not communists of cource, because communism is another kind of cult.
Thanks for sharing Lloyd. That was very interesting. I'm an Ex JW. I will never support mainstream religion, whether it's Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. I do however believe in "Spirit" and feel very connected through nature , Indigenous beliefs, etc. People do need to find their way on their own. ❤
I think that makes you a deist? I’m actually trying to figure the terms out myself lol I think it’s likely something pulled this universe out of nothing and got the ball rolling, but they seem completely hands off now
Thanks Lloyd. well balanced response. As a person who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus, I think it is important to be challenged and yet accept that we as humans are so different with such different experiences of life. We can still have healthy relationships with those who have a different views and experiences of life.
This was an interesting call. I also feel very grateful to you Lloyd for debunking some of things that were taught to me through my childhood and what I carried for so many years. However, I also appreciate that you say what it is that you believe and leave others to form their own belief systems. I like what you said about giving information and facts without turning into what you just left. We would all like to see the perfect world, but we see how following that turned out. So thanks Lloyd for giving people their grace and dignity in their own choices.
Lloyd appreciate your perspective of not forcing others to believe opinions a certain way. Now that I'm an ExJw and have unraveled why I became a JW you are right, I had my personal reasons, I was coping with pains of life I had 30 years ago. Now I can see that. But I couldn't then, nor did I allow anyone to tell me different. I had to learn it myself, through my journey unfortunately it took 30 years. If you present information hopefully others can consider it and it can help them make better decision for the long term benefit of their life. Keep up the fine work and Thank you for what you do.
The guy specifically said that Christian religious leaders "know Jesus isn't coming back." Knowing that requires definitive proof, and for that, one or more of the following is required: we have proof that Jesus is not coming back; we have proof there is no Jesus as God; we have proof there is no God; we have proof there is no historical figure as Jesus; we have proof there is no historical figure as Jesus who acted (said and did) as described in the Bible; we have proof there is no "other being" or "higher power" for any religious stance as practically all modern-day religious revolve around accepting or denying the truth of Jesus as God. That's a massive leap of a statement. It's an overwhelming undertaking to present one or more of the above proofs; without relying on the fallacy of appeal to ignorance, we do not have those above proofs.
You can add Judaism and Islam to the toxicity of religion Besides that Brotha Evans just got the best shepherding call he's ever had 😅 Keep it going my brotha you'll be ok
@@dayknightlowerman779 The concept of the rapture disagrees. As well as the threat to send people to hell that christianity loves pushing. Oh and let's not forget how often christians are queerphobic.
Lloyd speaks about what he knows, what he has lived. I think that's enough. He is entitled to have as balanced a life as is possible. The caller sounds a bit idolatrous towards Lloyd. Compliments are fine; fawning is another story. I cringed as I listened. 😖 In addition, beware of people telling us what we should do. In everything, think critically.
Lloyd, I totally agree with the point you made about it being wrong to assume religion is a person's biggest problem and thinking that if taken out the picture, this will solve all their problems. You and a few others were instrumental in my deprogramming over the last couple of years and as fortunate as I feel to now be liberated from the lies and manipulation of this high control group, 1 of my sisters still very much believes and practises the religion where she can. I have felt conflicted many times over whether she would be better off without it and although it is true she could be for many reasons but thinking particularly about in the sense that she could pursue her previous relationship with someone that made her happy and was good to her before she started practising and ultimately left this person and ended up in an abusive marriage that she now doesn't feel she can get out of, partly due to the religion's stance on marriage. However, she does present as being quite vulnerable due to her mental health issues I.e. depression, anxiety and in general quite a naive person but with a heart of gold as someone who always looks to help others and show kindness and consideration. I only mention these things as I feel this has made her the perfect candidate for the manipulation tactics they use but it has given her a sense of purpose, motivation and a coping mechanism for all her issues she is experiencing in a loveless, abusive marriage dealing with poor mental health and lack of support having no friends or family (except myself, our youngest sister and our father but our relationship has been heavily affected by my leaving and she has has always had a poor relationship with our other sister, which leaves just our father who is half in, half out shall we say and not someone she feels can be an encouragement but leans on for support due to feeling there is no one else) It feels like a neverending circle the way things are but I dread to think how much worse she could be if she was to stop believing as I have to say there has been some positive changes to her emotional health in general and behaviour/personality since becoming involved in the religion. It's difficult as for me, I feel that no matter what my life might look like outside of it, I would much rather feel liberated by knowing the real truth than the alternative but like you say, by removing all the jenga pieces at once, that could be devastating for a person who hasn't got the structure in place to cope with the reality where they are at. I suppose for me I just live in hope that one day she will develop the inner strength and more confidence/self esteem and start thinking critically about the things she hears but as long as she is happy, even if that means staying in the religion, then I can accept that too. It's just that right now I wouldn't say she is happy but her beliefs does seem to keep her going and encourages her to bounce back when her emotional health dips. Thank you for sharing this thought Lloyd as it has helped me in my conflicting emotion around this and shows what an empath you are that you can see it from other people's perspective even though you could easily be clouded by your own negative experience 😊❤ x
There are movements within Catholicism that do behave even more like Watchtower than your basic Catholic parish/diocese does. I was part of Catholic Covenant Communities back in the early '90s. Whenever I have watched JW Governing Body videos, I was very much reminded of the "coordinators" that ran the People of Hope (one of the communities in that movement)
Although, I’m a Christian. I respect this young man’s right to express his feelings & thoughts. But I wholeheartedly agree with the accolades this caller bestowed on you, LE. Especially professor quality 😁
This video is exactly what I was looking for. I wish I had tuned in earlier to your channel Lloyd but its a busy life right now. Thank you for your continuation in this fight against religions, bringing me to my main comment and that is that your channel needs to expand. The information from Mauro Biglino is very important and should be included in your analysis as it brings it home how much damage the old testament has done and deluded not just christians, but also the other religions based on it. Case in point, what is happening in Gaza. I understand your point that religion should not cease to exist, however if we in fact dont rid ourselves of religions in general we will continue to endure senseless war and atrocities. It is undeniable that Israel sees what they are doing as justified, all you need to do is reference the Old Testament, it is there the extermination of any neighboring tribe or nation. This is why religion must be viewed as an evil that must go away, and not a neccesary evil.
There are many mainstream denominations in Christianity that don't teach or promote ideas of hell at all. I don't think early Christianity taught anything about hell, that came later. My church's focus was about being a good person, caring about others without any control, indoctrination, rules, guilt trips etc. I am sure others have had good experiences also.
@BG-nm5xt, Most of my experiences with non-JW Christian denominations, the more moderate or progressive ones anyway, were pretty positive. The idea of sinners going to Hell and suffering in conscious physical torment for all eternity wasn't a concept that the earliest generation of Christians believed in, but it was a concept that was later embraced by Christians at a later point in the 1st century CE/AD. The JWs' belief in remaining in a state of unconscious sleep as part of eternal death after having been annihilated by God's angelic forces at Armageddon isn't really any better than the idea of Hell, in my opinion. I think both concepts could have a potentially negative impact on believers' own mental health and in their attitudes towards, treatment of and relationships with other people.
Oh, if it were only that simple! In my experience it has never been a discussion based on logic, common sense, general decency, etc. They dont want the information, dont want "rescuing", dont want to know. Every discussion or suggestion Ive ever made myself or heard someone else make in their presance that dosnt conform to their beliefs is resisted with passion, almost violently. Maybe its the people I know, but they are as closed as it gets. Once a person gets to the point where they accept & excuse the very same things they condemn other people & religions for, they appear to be beyond reason. 1 of MANY EGS, Demanding freedom to worship in any way they want without persecution or critisism, while persecuting & punishing people for choosing to exercise that same freee choice to believe something else & leave. The ULTIMATE hypocrasy!
Right. Where do you draw the line? A religion can be a part of the person's culture. Like a language, or a type of food. The thing I feel is a religious practice hurting you are helping you? If you are enjoying something and it helps you, then continue doing it. But if it makes you feel depressed and unhappy then it is time for a change.
Lloyd, I’ve nothing but love and respect for you. You were very crucial for my waking up. But a fanboy that cites online scams is similar to Christianity isn’t the biggest critical thinker. I have to say, I really appreciated your balance on this subject. I, as a Christian exjw, actually hold the same view. I don’t seek to convert exjws or anyone, I think information is what will give everyone the choice of believing or not. Idk if you’ve delved into it but definitely have really smart Christians on your channel. Id love to see them engage with you and your exjw content. If you can book an interview with Trent horn, or Michael Jones from Inspiringphilosophy, there’s great content to be had. Theyre both very learned and philosophically minded, and engage with all scholarship. They’re not preachy nor are they trying to convert, just dialogue about these subjects. Anyways, wish you the best!
Thanks! To be absolutely clear I don't select the fanboys to the exclusion of other callers. Most callers seem to say nice things about me or my work. I can't think of a single call where someone's said "I intensely dislike you but here's my sincere, honest question..." But I appreciate your sentiments and it means a lot to me that you find this channel a welcoming space as a believer.
@@LloydEvans no absolutely, I didn’t mean you chose the call because of the “fanboy” lol. Anyways like I said, great work and wish you the best. If I’m ever in Croatia or you’re ever in Florida, beers on me.
If you REALLY believed everybody who dies disbelieving the Bible will be sadistically tortured forever & ever while also you love every single person as yourself as the Bible says you must, then you'd have the kind sense to try & show us what persuaded you in hopes we'd be perduaded so we could be saved too, but like all Christians, predictably, you're a hypocrite & are only concerned with your own salvation, so no need to try persuading those you believe are "lost sinners" Indeed, your religion is a scam. As for critical thinker, people can be tricked & still be intelligent people, but you could atleast try to base your beliefs on what genuinely seems to you to be accurate. Surely, you know full well that no man has ever lived 800 years or 900 years. There's no way you actually think Genesis 5: 5 is accurate, which says Adam lived 930 years. By the way, this isn't athiesm vs theism. I believe in God also. Christianity isn't the only faith; Christianity & Islam are both counterfeit faiths. This is about attempting accuracy vs holding onto beliefs not founded on fact. I do believe my beliefs line up with reality based on the evidence I've seen. My problem with abrahamic religions such as christianity & Islam is that they misrepresent God by depicting him as a dictator instead of the loving Father He really is, but also that their teachings don't line up with what I believe are accurate messages from heaven.
This is some solid response. There are many respected people who have been outspoken about religions e.g. Christopher Hitchens whose work is still being felt today.
I'm also an ex JW who is very done with christianity. I have my own faith based beliefs and that's fine with me. After doing more research into the history of mainstream christianity I can't bring myself to agree with that either. Since so many things wrong with the JW org are also seen in non JW org christian sects. Probably why cults like the JW org are able to exploit christian rhetoric the way they are. Cuz the deep rooted foundational issues are already there.
This is a fantastic piece. Lloyd's video about the book of Daniel liberated me from Christianity. However, my realism in all possible matters has lead to doomerism. Some people that have left the JWs have done acts of extreme violence and terrorism. This has led me to believe that not all people are ready to be unplugged and that people in the world are more or less delusional anyhow. It is no wonder people rather talk with their pets than other humans any more.
@stasacab, Oh, I definitely think there are some ex-JWs who've engaged in violent action, either toward Witnesses, fellow ex-Witnesses and non-JWs -- but some of them might have done that anyway even if they hadn't left the Witness faith or even if they had never been Witnesses. We should never assume that people from any background can never behave violently or engage in extremist behavior, even if they come from a cultural or religious background that strongly critiques violent action. I don't think people placing all of their emotional energy on a non-human animal is healthy, neither for the human or the animal. But should you be careful about whom you choose to trust? Absolutely.
It would be a good line of work. I have had a therapist for two years that was never a JW, but she did have religious trauma. I found her to be helpful.
I am someone who has the ability to see spirit beings and have seen and talked with God a number of times. I have also been a ghost and visited with God.. So you have given up one error only to have taken up another error. What can I say to you? If you will search for God every day then within a year you should find God. Also, don't let anyone get between God and you be it church or priest , minister or rabi. Remember we humans constantly fail. God is your greatest truth and lover. Don't give Him up. Find Him personally even out or in church. He's there and can be found.
I left when I realized how dogmatic the rhetoric was but seriously flawed and unwilling to admit mistakes. I agree with you, let people come to an understanding that most accurately reflects the reality that we live in based on objective facts as best we know them now. Music helped me process some of the pain too. Literally learned guitar because I lost my friends and some family and almost my marriage and had no social circle. Also no field service and plenty of time to study something else lol.
Mainstream Christianity suffers from much of the same dynamics as other faiths. Back when Christianity was founded religious thought was steeped in mythology. Mythology was a mechanism to, among other things, explain the then unexplainable. We now live at a time where scientific knowledge is exploding. Just think of the many things that were simply unknown only a few hundred years ago. There was a time when most unknown mechanisms in this life were explained away as the result of the whims of the Gods. Much of that has changed. When was the last time we heard that the hurricane or the earthquake happened because Zeus was angry? As scientific understandings multiply we undoubtedly will see less and less reliance on mythological constructs to explain natural occurrences. Do I think that this means that atheism will one day be the dominant ‘religion’ on this planet? Not necessarily. Rather I think it will be more likely that spirituality will replace religiosity. Science doesn’t disprove the existence of a First Source (God), all it really does is highlight the fact that our myth based superstitions must and will give way to a more reasonable and pragmatic explanation for the foundational order evident on our planet and in the observable universe. Like just about everything we navigate in this life, the problem is not what is going on but rather it is our lack of understanding of what exactly IS going on. The comedian Louis Black observed that we are 3 hairs away from being baboons. Exaggeration for comedy’s sake but not entirely untrue. So yes, modern Christianity is finding it increasingly difficult to justify ancient and oftentimes barbaric doctrine that no longer makes sense to those willing to do the work of critical thinking. One example to consider is that we have come a long way from the idea that human sacrifice is necessary and therefore appropriate. Do you personally know any Christians that think human sacrifice is ok and is sometimes necessary to appease an angry God? Yet even today, Christianity’s foundational doctrine maintains that our Creator required the human sacrifice of his innocent son before he would open the door to his tender mercies and blessings. And no doubt this will be explained away as ‘that’s different’. No, it’s not. My 2 cents…
@formerjw3874, I agree, largely, for the most part. I don't see how child sacrifice is much different than Yahweh allowing the Romans to kill Jesus just so Yahweh could forgive people of their sins. The whole world is supposed to be responsible for Jesus' death because they were born with the curse of "sin"...and that is one of the problems with the original sin doctrine -- that all humanity should be punished because of what two people allegedly did thousands of years ago. The idea of punishing one's descendants because of what someone else did is repugnant to me. Is the idea of Jesus' sacrificial atonement all that different? Maybe Jesus' murder has more metaphorical meanings to Christians, but is it that much better than pre-Abrahamic religious traditions that believed some humans have to actually be killed as a sacrifice to satiate a deity? Yahweh can't just forgive people when they've done something wrong without having to resort to people sacrificing certain animals or killing a Jewish rabbi in his 30s, whom many came to believe was Yahweh's alleged Son afterward. You're a deity and you can't just forgive people when they're truly remorseful for having harmed someone without the penitent having to go and harm some animal or human creature? What kind of all-powerful deity is that, and why should I want to worship a deity like that?
Exactly. Conviction is not the result of accepting an idea because it allows you to bond with others. True conviction requires time and mental heavy lifting combined with a willingness to reject conventional ‘wisdom’ when its component parts simply don’t add up. It can be a lonely trek and costly, as many ex-JW’s will attest. But what other way is there if an individual truly wants to discover truth? Going along to get along has its benefits but will more often than not stifle discovery.
Whilst it's all make believe, I find the mainstream Christian position that it was God who sacrificed himself to save humanity to be more appealing than that He sent his (not God) son to carry the can. None of it bears any scrutiny, but to me it's a better story.
There are numerous creation stories before mainstream religions. Old civilisations and Eastern myths contain similar Jonah and the fish. The talking serpent. A woman looking back and turning to stone. Crossing a river, etc.. Start with the Mahabharata and the Gita. Mesopotamia, Aztec, Romans, and many more. Religion is not the problem, the people are the problem. If the so called Christians read the Bible entirely, the MAY understand better.
Though I am an atheist, I think some expressions of religion and spirituality are less harmful than others. I wouldn't regard myself as an anti-theist, anti-Christian or anti-religious...though, like I said, I can't object to the way in which some folks choose to express their faith in Christianity or some other form of religion. I have less of a problem with progressive forms of Christianity than I do with fundamentalist interpretations of that faith. I have less of a problem with progressive religion than with fundamentalist religion. Extremist expressions of religions like what we see with the fundamentalist Judaism being perpetuated by the Israeli government and extremist interpretations of Sunni Islamic doctrine with what we see with groups like Hamas and how they're currently bombing each other's citizens to death -- now their expression of religion is not okay.
what about the athiest experience model, ask questions demand evidence. People are always allowed to believe what they wish but they need to be taught critical thinking skills.
The problem of christianity is most christian theologists adopts the teachings of the Mother of all abominations, John term her as the mother, so, she got children, who adopts her doctrines, trinity , lake of fire,pagans celebrations, etc,
The Bible takes place within us. It begins and ends with creation. The physical creation in Genesis provides the instruction for the new creation in Revelation, symbolizing our (formed through false perceptions and beliefs) passing away. The Holy Bible is God's Book of Psychology, and is meant to be used for that purpose. It is written in a symbolic language, which has preserved and protected the spiritual knowledge contained in the Sacred Text throughout the reign of religion, which was to end with the new millennium.
Most religions have their own "ex" community that is better suited to speak against specifics that they have real life experience with. Personally, I wouldn't even entertain a channel that spoke against JWs if ran by some rando with no actual experience in it. Would fall flat on its face. Meanwhile, theologians and scholars have the general conversation regarding the authenticity of the bible as a whole under control.
@Eric_01, Well, I suppose one could take a more critical approach to publicly scrutinizing the theology, rituals and culture of the Witnesses if they're a lifelong non-JW, but they'd have to really understand the doctrines, rituals, culture, and history of the denomination. Arthur Weber, a guest on Lloyd's channel, he was never a JW and he's practically a Jehovah's Witness encyclopedia in human form. The same could probably be said for anyone who wishes to critically examine any religious tradition that they've never personally been involved with. I think what scholars have to say on the Bible and its authenticity or lack thereof, do a pretty good job at getting people to objectively look at those texts. More should be done in this field when it comes to the Quran and other religious scriptures as well.
Hi Lloyd, I think of it as God = good and goodness can be everywhere, then God is everywhere. Devil = evil and its important to be on the side of goodness. No judging ---R
I feel sorry for this call because I grew up as catholic and I was absolutely happy, I became witness only because I wanted to preach but I never imagine the destruction and abuses. I almost got kill there inside of JW. Lie, lie and lie.
Touche Lloyd! I have been warned about consorting with spirits by the Creator, and others have the right to their own opinion, I don't read hearts or minds, and I'll be d@π€& if I would ever need to control anyone elses perceptuon of their experience or reality and vice versa, I do not dissemble for anyone. Much love/thanx 💜
@raceandros5079, I'd largely agree, although if a god does exist, who's to say that a deity wouldn't be okay with and that humans couldn't consort with other spirits. I mean, what are deities and angels, are they not spirits? Catholics pray to dead saints and ask the saints to pray for their souls. Medieval magicians, some of whom may have been Catholic clergy, sometimes summoned demons and believed that they could control these demonic forces and make them conform to the magicians' will through the use of spells and that the demons had no choice in the matter. Many religions such as Santeria, Vodou and Caodaism believe in appealing to various spirits, saints and deities; many of these faiths utilize various divinatory techniques and they truly believe it works. To me, it's no different really than praying to Jesus or Yahweh or venerating Catholic, Eastern Orthodox Christian or Sufi Muslim saints. Trying to beseech spirits is an old concept, and I couldn't say that it doesn't work, but I have no good reason to think it does. I'm an atheist, so I don't have much reason to believe that any appeal to the supernatural works or that the supernatural exists. As long as people are not using their religion to harm others, I'm willing to let people be.
@@b.w.7588 The pervert watchers are the enemy, fiery seraphim, serpentine spirits of ancient hate for the Creators "Two powers in the heavens," (Dr. Michael Heiser,) and the crowning creation. Lizard King Sentiment: "I'm gonna love you till the heavens start to reign, I'm gonna love you till the stars fall from the sky...." Meaning: Want something, let it go, then hunt it down and kill it. Reality: Richard Bardo travels from Tucson Az. To hellyweird, murders his obsession at her front door, Rebecca Schaeffer.
Can you imagine if Lloyd let the ban all religion campaign and it came true, apart from Jehovahs witnesses, he would fulfill their prophecy. Ohh the irony if that happened 😂
I have no clue how this channel was recommended to me, but how do you explain people who have had visions of Christ and been shown things in the future that have come true - just a figment of their imaginations?
Well, if you don’t believe me, the only proof I have is what I told my husband between May of 2020 and September of 2021, multiple times. No human being could know something like that with their own natural mind. Maybe God will give me something else to put here that will be fulfilled. I am most definitely telling the truth, but if you don’t believe me, I am okay with that.
The original Neolithic Pictographic meaning for Lord, Hebrew; “YHVH”. In ancient poetics “Every name tells a story”; Reading right to left; “Y” Yod, symbolizes; “ Sky (sun/ star)” “H” Heh, symbolizes; “Man”. (pointing to the sky) “V” Vah, symbolizes; “Earth” “H” Heh, symbolizes; “Man”. (pointing to the sky) YHVH symbolizes; “Sky, Man, Earth, Man” “YHVH” Paraphrased as; “Sky Man (to) Earth Man” YaH (Sky Man) is a Sky Deity. read the "Bible Codec yhvh" its on the web.
@LloydEvans I agree with your viewpoint on Christianity. Fighting to get rid of it would be like fighting to do away with corporations. There are negatives in the business world, and corporations do a lot of damage, but would we want to live in a world where they're suddenly gone? Religions have done a lot of good. Generation by generation religions will lose their grip. But hopefully, we will hold onto our humanity.
I think the more honest comparison without dancing around like you’re doing (no offence I love you but that’s precisely what you’re doing) would be to say “smoking is bad, religion/theism is bad”.
Knowing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the only way to the Father. John 14:6. Believe and confess Jesus so that you will can have life eternal. This caller said you’re his idol, which is idolatry. There are many gods, but the one true and real One is through Jesus.
I don’t agree with that guy. God is real but you don’t have to force it down people’s throats. That’s the problem. I’m Catholic and I don’t think we do that like the born agains fire and brimstone religions. I’m very happy being a Catholic and so many Protestants don’t understand what goes on in our faith. We don’t worship idols. It all means other things that you don’t understand and you just are taking the words of other Protestants who don’t understand either. Moshi
Poor confused caller, Daniel. He's clearly never read fully or done serious Bible Study. Biblical Christianity is real and true. God is real, Jesus the Christ (Yeshua the Messiah) is God come in the flesh to the Earth to pay the price for the wages of sin which is death. Cults that pretend to be Christianity have done, and continue to do, great harm to people.
Poor confused commenter, Jeanette. What you're expressing is nothing but total hormonal bullshit. What credible evidence do you have that any of the hundreds and hundreds of gods and goddesses that Mankind has created exist? None, nothing, nada, zip.
Biblical christianity is just as false as athiesm. It must be you who hasn't done serious Bible study or you'd realize it slanders God & misrepresents Him. God would never torture his creation for not adoring him, he's a God of love & is no hypocrite, yet you accuse him of hypocrisy by accusing Jesus of not following his own advice in Matthew 5:44 to "love your enemies", I believe authentic spiritual messages from Heaven have been channeled through Mr Bob Sanders by the Great White Brotherhood.
I fully read the Bible and had serious Bible study. Trust me we are NOT confused to conclude that it is not based on facts and science. Christians seem more confused because they can't even agree with each other by reading the exact same book. Just because you write "god is real " does not make it real.
@@TruthSpeaker. Hi, The Bible, 66 Books by 40 different authors, is an integrated message system from outside our time domain. Every word is true and infallible in its original autographs (the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek). God proves the Truth of His Holy Word through the Prophecy contained in its pages having been fulfilled and continuing to be fulfilled. The whole counsel of God must be understood and this understanding only comes from diligent study of all the Books. Nothing contradicts anything else. Remember Jesus (Yeshua), who is God Almighty, is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is in its pages from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21. Yes, in His First Coming He came to show us sinners the only Way to forgiveness and salvation ("No one comes to the Father but by Me"), which is true repentance. In His Second Coming He comes as Judge to the Earth to fulfill the rest of Isaiah 61:2 which is "...and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn." God is righteous and holy. Yes, we are to love our enemies for we do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with the satanic powers of darkness that use humans against other humans. All repentant sinners will have their sins forgiven by our God Who is love. He who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved. Those who do not repent of their selfish, sinful (missing the Mark [Archery term]), rebellious ways will have chosen their final destination; the place God created for the devil and his angels, not humans, being Hell.
@@thoumustrepent9463yeah. That’s exactly right. Allah is indeed the most hateful god. You want to look at a religion of hate, go look at Islam. Everyone wants to bash Christianity for some stupid reason
The original Neolithic Pictographic* meaning of Moses’ God, Hebrew; “ALHYM” (Elohim/ ELoHYiM) , and in Arabic “Allah”. Reading right to left; A, Alef, symbolizes; Ox (Bull of Sky). L, Lamid, symbolizes; Staff; “Leads” H, Heh, symbolizes; Man (pointing to the sky). Y, Yod, symbolizes; “Sky** (sun/ star)”. M, Mem, as suffix symbolizes “multitudes”, plural of the Yod, as; stars/ constellations. “ALH-YM” (ELoHYiM) symbolizes; “Ox* - Staff - Man - Sky - Multitudes.” “AaLoH-YiM” (ELoHYiM) paraphrased as; “Ruler, Leads, Man, (to) Stars (Astrological Constellations). The original Elohim were Astrologers**. read the "Bible Codec yhvh" its on the web.
I personally think shared religions are the problem, I'm a happy agnostic, but I understand that for any adult it is their choice, I just think that religion is something that we should choose as adults, not indoctrinated as children.
I think belief in an afterlife is a HUGE problem. Russian president once said "if nuclear war happens we, russians, just go straight to the heaven, while rest people just die". Atheistic and agnostic people more value their life and less ready to war. If they not communists of cource, because communism is another kind of cult.
Lloyd, I absolutely LOVE your empathetic, honest, level-headed, healthy response to this call. You are a breath of fresh air!
Thanks for sharing Lloyd. That was very interesting. I'm an Ex JW. I will never support mainstream religion, whether it's Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, etc. I do however believe in "Spirit" and feel very connected through nature , Indigenous beliefs, etc. People do need to find their way on their own. ❤
I think that makes you a deist? I’m actually trying to figure the terms out myself lol I think it’s likely something pulled this universe out of nothing and got the ball rolling, but they seem completely hands off now
Thanks Lloyd. well balanced response. As a person who believes in and follows the teachings of Jesus, I think it is important to be challenged and yet accept that we as humans are so different with such different experiences of life. We can still have healthy relationships with those who have a different views and experiences of life.
This was an interesting call. I also feel very grateful to you Lloyd for debunking some of things that were taught to me through my childhood and what I carried for so many years. However, I also appreciate that you say what it is that you believe and leave others to form their own belief systems. I like what you said about giving information and facts without turning into what you just left. We would all like to see the perfect world, but we see how following that turned out. So thanks Lloyd for giving people their grace and dignity in their own choices.
Lloyd appreciate your perspective of not forcing others to believe opinions a certain way. Now that I'm an ExJw and have unraveled why I became a JW you are right, I had my personal reasons, I was coping with pains of life I had 30 years ago. Now I can see that. But I couldn't then, nor did I allow anyone to tell me different. I had to learn it myself, through my journey unfortunately it took 30 years. If you present information hopefully others can consider it and it can help them make better decision for the long term benefit of their life. Keep up the fine work and Thank you for what you do.
Amazing caller!! “Religious leaders know that what they are peddling is BS…” that struck a chore. Thanks for sharing Lloyd. ❤
The guy specifically said that Christian religious leaders "know Jesus isn't coming back."
Knowing that requires definitive proof, and for that, one or more of the following is required: we have proof that Jesus is not coming back; we have proof there is no Jesus as God; we have proof there is no God; we have proof there is no historical figure as Jesus; we have proof there is no historical figure as Jesus who acted (said and did) as described in the Bible; we have proof there is no "other being" or "higher power" for any religious stance as practically all modern-day religious revolve around accepting or denying the truth of Jesus as God.
That's a massive leap of a statement. It's an overwhelming undertaking to present one or more of the above proofs; without relying on the fallacy of appeal to ignorance, we do not have those above proofs.
I was brought up up in a fundamentalist Methodist upbringing that believed anyone who masturbated was going to hell for eternity.
I didn't know Methodists did fundamentalism! Doesn't sound like British Methodists. Perhaps you're in the US?
Cornish Methodism can be very strict especially in west Cornwall. Yes it does remind me if the Bible Belt
You can add Judaism and Islam to the toxicity of religion Besides that Brotha Evans just got the best shepherding call he's ever had 😅 Keep it going my brotha you'll be ok
Nah, mostly Islam. And there’s nothing to add, because Christianity isn’t a religion of hate to begin with 😂
@@dayknightlowerman779 The concept of the rapture disagrees. As well as the threat to send people to hell that christianity loves pushing. Oh and let's not forget how often christians are queerphobic.
As usual, a very level headed and well balanced response, Lloyd.
Lloyd speaks about what he knows, what he has lived. I think that's enough. He is entitled to have as balanced a life as is possible. The caller sounds a bit idolatrous towards Lloyd. Compliments are fine; fawning is another story. I cringed as I listened. 😖 In addition, beware of people telling us what we should do. In everything, think critically.
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Lloyd, I totally agree with the point you made about it being wrong to assume religion is a person's biggest problem and thinking that if taken out the picture, this will solve all their problems. You and a few others were instrumental in my deprogramming over the last couple of years and as fortunate as I feel to now be liberated from the lies and manipulation of this high control group, 1 of my sisters still very much believes and practises the religion where she can.
I have felt conflicted many times over whether she would be better off without it and although it is true she could be for many reasons but thinking particularly about in the sense that she could pursue her previous relationship with someone that made her happy and was good to her before she started practising and ultimately left this person and ended up in an abusive marriage that she now doesn't feel she can get out of, partly due to the religion's stance on marriage.
However, she does present as being quite vulnerable due to her mental health issues I.e. depression, anxiety and in general quite a naive person but with a heart of gold as someone who always looks to help others and show kindness and consideration.
I only mention these things as I feel this has made her the perfect candidate for the manipulation tactics they use but it has given her a sense of purpose, motivation and a coping mechanism for all her issues she is experiencing in a loveless, abusive marriage dealing with poor mental health and lack of support having no friends or family (except myself, our youngest sister and our father but our relationship has been heavily affected by my leaving and she has has always had a poor relationship with our other sister, which leaves just our father who is half in, half out shall we say and not someone she feels can be an encouragement but leans on for support due to feeling there is no one else)
It feels like a neverending circle the way things are but I dread to think how much worse she could be if she was to stop believing as I have to say there has been some positive changes to her emotional health in general and behaviour/personality since becoming involved in the religion.
It's difficult as for me, I feel that no matter what my life might look like outside of it, I would much rather feel liberated by knowing the real truth than the alternative but like you say, by removing all the jenga pieces at once, that could be devastating for a person who hasn't got the structure in place to cope with the reality where they are at.
I suppose for me I just live in hope that one day she will develop the inner strength and more confidence/self esteem and start thinking critically about the things she hears but as long as she is happy, even if that means staying in the religion, then I can accept that too. It's just that right now I wouldn't say she is happy but her beliefs does seem to keep her going and encourages her to bounce back when her emotional health dips.
Thank you for sharing this thought Lloyd as it has helped me in my conflicting emotion around this and shows what an empath you are that you can see it from other people's perspective even though you could easily be clouded by your own negative experience 😊❤ x
It's sad that I see a lot of jws lose faith in God through mankind's religion
Jesus Christ ✝️ is the Greatest Man who Ever Lived ❤
There are movements within Catholicism that do behave even more like Watchtower than your basic Catholic parish/diocese does. I was part of Catholic Covenant Communities back in the early '90s. Whenever I have watched JW Governing Body videos, I was very much reminded of the "coordinators" that ran the People of Hope (one of the communities in that movement)
Although, I’m a Christian. I respect this young man’s right to express his feelings & thoughts.
But I wholeheartedly agree with the accolades this caller bestowed on you, LE. Especially professor quality 😁
Great point! Present information and let people make their own conclusions. ❤
Fantastic video, I really agree about not wanting to police peoples thoughts.
This video is exactly what I was looking for. I wish I had tuned in earlier to your channel Lloyd but its a busy life right now. Thank you for your continuation in this fight against religions, bringing me to my main comment and that is that your channel needs to expand. The information from Mauro Biglino is very important and should be included in your analysis as it brings it home how much damage the old testament has done and deluded not just christians, but also the other religions based on it. Case in point, what is happening in Gaza. I understand your point that religion should not cease to exist, however if we in fact dont rid ourselves of religions in general we will continue to endure senseless war and atrocities. It is undeniable that Israel sees what they are doing as justified, all you need to do is reference the Old Testament, it is there the extermination of any neighboring tribe or nation. This is why religion must be viewed as an evil that must go away, and not a neccesary evil.
There are many mainstream denominations in Christianity that don't teach or promote ideas of hell at all. I don't think early Christianity taught anything about hell, that came later. My church's focus was about being a good person, caring about others without any control, indoctrination, rules, guilt trips etc. I am sure others have had good experiences also.
@BG-nm5xt,
Most of my experiences with non-JW Christian denominations, the more moderate or progressive ones anyway, were pretty positive. The idea of sinners going to Hell and suffering in conscious physical torment for all eternity wasn't a concept that the earliest generation of Christians believed in, but it was a concept that was later embraced by Christians at a later point in the 1st century CE/AD. The JWs' belief in remaining in a state of unconscious sleep as part of eternal death after having been annihilated by God's angelic forces at Armageddon isn't really any better than the idea of Hell, in my opinion.
I think both concepts could have a potentially negative impact on believers' own mental health and in their attitudes towards, treatment of and relationships with other people.
@@b.w.7588Isn't the JW position that annihilation of non-Witnesses means exactly that - annihilation and not an unconscious sleep?
Oh, if it were only that simple! In my experience it has never been a discussion based on logic, common sense, general decency, etc. They dont want the information, dont want "rescuing", dont want to know. Every discussion or suggestion Ive ever made myself or heard someone else make in their presance that dosnt conform to their beliefs is resisted with passion, almost violently. Maybe its the people I know, but they are as closed as it gets. Once a person gets to the point where they accept & excuse the very same things they condemn other people & religions for, they appear to be beyond reason.
1 of MANY EGS, Demanding freedom to worship in any way they want without persecution or critisism, while persecuting & punishing people for choosing to exercise that same freee choice to believe something else & leave. The ULTIMATE hypocrasy!
Right. Where do you draw the line? A religion can be a part of the person's culture. Like a language, or a type of food. The thing I feel is a religious practice hurting you are helping you? If you are enjoying something and it helps you, then continue doing it. But if it makes you feel depressed and unhappy then it is time for a change.
Either Lloyd wrote the script for this caller, or Daniel's been "picking up what Lloyds been putting down".
Daniel, I think all religion is the problem but especially cults and, right now, islam.
I agree with this caller. I have had very similar thoughts to his.
I agree you could help a much greater community! Your work is the best buy of work in this area.
Lloyd, I’ve nothing but love and respect for you. You were very crucial for my waking up. But a fanboy that cites online scams is similar to Christianity isn’t the biggest critical thinker. I have to say, I really appreciated your balance on this subject. I, as a Christian exjw, actually hold the same view. I don’t seek to convert exjws or anyone, I think information is what will give everyone the choice of believing or not.
Idk if you’ve delved into it but definitely have really smart Christians on your channel. Id love to see them engage with you and your exjw content. If you can book an interview with Trent horn, or Michael Jones from Inspiringphilosophy, there’s great content to be had. Theyre both very learned and philosophically minded, and engage with all scholarship. They’re not preachy nor are they trying to convert, just dialogue about these subjects. Anyways, wish you the best!
Thanks! To be absolutely clear I don't select the fanboys to the exclusion of other callers. Most callers seem to say nice things about me or my work. I can't think of a single call where someone's said "I intensely dislike you but here's my sincere, honest question..." But I appreciate your sentiments and it means a lot to me that you find this channel a welcoming space as a believer.
@@LloydEvans no absolutely, I didn’t mean you chose the call because of the “fanboy” lol. Anyways like I said, great work and wish you the best. If I’m ever in Croatia or you’re ever in Florida, beers on me.
If you REALLY believed everybody who dies disbelieving the Bible will be sadistically tortured forever & ever while also you love every single person as yourself as the Bible says you must, then you'd have the kind sense to try & show us what persuaded you in hopes we'd be perduaded so we could be saved too, but like all Christians, predictably, you're a hypocrite & are only concerned with your own salvation, so no need to try persuading those you believe are "lost sinners"
Indeed, your religion is a scam. As for critical thinker, people can be tricked & still be intelligent people, but you could atleast try to base your beliefs on what genuinely seems to you to be accurate. Surely, you know full well that no man has ever lived 800 years or 900 years. There's no way you actually think Genesis 5: 5 is accurate, which says Adam lived 930 years.
By the way, this isn't athiesm vs theism. I believe in God also. Christianity isn't the only faith; Christianity & Islam are both counterfeit faiths.
This is about attempting accuracy vs holding onto beliefs not founded on fact.
I do believe my beliefs line up with reality based on the evidence I've seen.
My problem with abrahamic religions such as christianity & Islam is that they misrepresent God by depicting him as a dictator instead of the loving Father He really is, but also that their teachings don't line up with what I believe are accurate messages from heaven.
The only difference between a Christian and an atheist is that the atheist believes believed in just one less God than the Christian.
Priceless!!!
Please continue to cover x Jw issues I miss you
This is some solid response. There are many respected people who have been outspoken about religions e.g. Christopher Hitchens whose work is still being felt today.
What the caller is saying is saying is true. I left JW and moved from one church to another. The same thing, intimidations, fear, bitterness etc.
Well done with your expression and thoughtfulness on this subject. I so agree with you.
you are an icon Lloyd
Totally agree!!
I'm also an ex JW who is very done with christianity. I have my own faith based beliefs and that's fine with me. After doing more research into the history of mainstream christianity I can't bring myself to agree with that either. Since so many things wrong with the JW org are also seen in non JW org christian sects. Probably why cults like the JW org are able to exploit christian rhetoric the way they are. Cuz the deep rooted foundational issues are already there.
I couldn’t agree more!
lloyd i've followed you for years and am a patreon ...didn't know those videos existed
I would like to speak with Lloyd about my experience.
This is a fantastic piece. Lloyd's video about the book of Daniel liberated me from Christianity. However, my realism in all possible matters has lead to doomerism. Some people that have left the JWs have done acts of extreme violence and terrorism. This has led me to believe that not all people are ready to be unplugged and that people in the world are more or less delusional anyhow. It is no wonder people rather talk with their pets than other humans any more.
@stasacab,
Oh, I definitely think there are some ex-JWs who've engaged in violent action, either toward Witnesses, fellow ex-Witnesses and non-JWs -- but some of them might have done that anyway even if they hadn't left the Witness faith or even if they had never been Witnesses. We should never assume that people from any background can never behave violently or engage in extremist behavior, even if they come from a cultural or religious background that strongly critiques violent action.
I don't think people placing all of their emotional energy on a non-human animal is healthy, neither for the human or the animal. But should you be careful about whom you choose to trust? Absolutely.
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Lloyd have you thought of training to becoming a religious trauma councellor
For the xjw community
Just a thought... ❤
It would be a good line of work. I have had a therapist for two years that was never a JW, but she did have religious trauma. I found her to be helpful.
I am someone who has the ability to see spirit beings and have seen and talked with God a number of times. I have also been a ghost and visited with God.. So you have given up one error only to have taken up another error. What can I say to you? If you will search for God every day then within a year you should find God. Also, don't let anyone get between God and you be it church or priest , minister or rabi. Remember we humans constantly fail. God is your greatest truth and lover. Don't give Him up. Find Him personally even out or in church. He's there and can be found.
I agree with this caller. Lloyd you are so much more than just a JW activist.
I left when I realized how dogmatic the rhetoric was but seriously flawed and unwilling to admit mistakes. I agree with you, let people come to an understanding that most accurately reflects the reality that we live in based on objective facts as best we know them now. Music helped me process some of the pain too. Literally learned guitar because I lost my friends and some family and almost my marriage and had no social circle. Also no field service and plenty of time to study something else lol.
Mainstream Christianity suffers from much of the same dynamics as other faiths. Back when Christianity was founded religious thought was steeped in mythology. Mythology was a mechanism to, among other things, explain the then unexplainable. We now live at a time where scientific knowledge is exploding. Just think of the many things that were simply unknown only a few hundred years ago.
There was a time when most unknown mechanisms in this life were explained away as the result of the whims of the Gods. Much of that has changed. When was the last time we heard that the hurricane or the earthquake happened because Zeus was angry?
As scientific understandings multiply we undoubtedly will see less and less reliance on mythological constructs to explain natural occurrences.
Do I think that this means that atheism will one day be the dominant ‘religion’ on this planet?
Not necessarily. Rather I think it will be more likely that spirituality will replace religiosity.
Science doesn’t disprove the existence of a First Source (God), all it really does is highlight the fact that our myth based superstitions must and will give way to a more reasonable and pragmatic explanation for the foundational order evident on our planet and in the observable universe.
Like just about everything we navigate in this life, the problem is not what is going on but rather it is our lack of understanding of what exactly IS going on. The comedian Louis Black observed that we are 3 hairs away from being baboons. Exaggeration for comedy’s sake but not entirely untrue.
So yes, modern Christianity is finding it increasingly difficult to justify ancient and oftentimes barbaric doctrine that no longer makes sense to those willing to do the work of critical thinking. One example to consider is that we have come a long way from the idea that human sacrifice is necessary and therefore appropriate. Do you personally know any Christians that think human sacrifice is ok and is sometimes necessary to appease an angry God?
Yet even today, Christianity’s foundational doctrine maintains that our Creator required the human sacrifice of his innocent son before he would open the door to his tender mercies and blessings.
And no doubt this will be explained away as ‘that’s different’.
No, it’s not.
My 2 cents…
@formerjw3874,
I agree, largely, for the most part. I don't see how child sacrifice is much different than Yahweh allowing the Romans to kill Jesus just so Yahweh could forgive people of their sins. The whole world is supposed to be responsible for Jesus' death because they were born with the curse of "sin"...and that is one of the problems with the original sin doctrine -- that all humanity should be punished because of what two people allegedly did thousands of years ago. The idea of punishing one's descendants because of what someone else did is repugnant to me. Is the idea of Jesus' sacrificial atonement all that different? Maybe Jesus' murder has more metaphorical meanings to Christians, but is it that much better than pre-Abrahamic religious traditions that believed some humans have to actually be killed as a sacrifice to satiate a deity?
Yahweh can't just forgive people when they've done something wrong without having to resort to people sacrificing certain animals or killing a Jewish rabbi in his 30s, whom many came to believe was Yahweh's alleged Son afterward. You're a deity and you can't just forgive people when they're truly remorseful for having harmed someone without the penitent having to go and harm some animal or human creature? What kind of all-powerful deity is that, and why should I want to worship a deity like that?
Exactly.
Conviction is not the result of accepting an idea because it allows you to bond with others.
True conviction requires time and mental heavy lifting combined with a willingness to reject
conventional ‘wisdom’ when its component parts simply don’t add up.
It can be a lonely trek and costly, as many ex-JW’s will attest.
But what other way is there if an individual truly wants to discover truth?
Going along to get along has its benefits but will more often than not stifle discovery.
Whilst it's all make believe, I find the mainstream Christian position that it was God who sacrificed himself to save humanity to be more appealing than that He sent his (not God) son to carry the can. None of it bears any scrutiny, but to me it's a better story.
There are numerous creation stories before mainstream religions. Old civilisations and Eastern myths contain similar Jonah and the fish. The talking serpent. A woman looking back and turning to stone. Crossing a river, etc.. Start with the Mahabharata and the Gita. Mesopotamia, Aztec, Romans, and many more. Religion is not the problem, the people are the problem. If the so called Christians read the Bible entirely, the MAY understand better.
Though I am an atheist, I think some expressions of religion and spirituality are less harmful than others. I wouldn't regard myself as an anti-theist, anti-Christian or anti-religious...though, like I said, I can't object to the way in which some folks choose to express their faith in Christianity or some other form of religion. I have less of a problem with progressive forms of Christianity than I do with fundamentalist interpretations of that faith. I have less of a problem with progressive religion than with fundamentalist religion. Extremist expressions of religions like what we see with the fundamentalist Judaism being perpetuated by the Israeli government and extremist interpretations of Sunni Islamic doctrine with what we see with groups like Hamas and how they're currently bombing each other's citizens to death -- now their expression of religion is not okay.
what about the athiest experience model, ask questions demand evidence. People are always allowed to believe what they wish but they need to be taught critical thinking skills.
The problem of christianity is most christian theologists adopts the teachings of the Mother of all abominations, John term her as the mother, so, she got children, who adopts her doctrines, trinity , lake of fire,pagans celebrations, etc,
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The Bible takes place within us. It begins and ends with creation. The physical creation in Genesis provides the instruction for the new creation in Revelation, symbolizing our (formed through false perceptions and beliefs) passing away. The Holy Bible is God's Book of Psychology, and is meant to be used for that purpose. It is written in a symbolic language, which has preserved and protected the spiritual knowledge contained in the Sacred Text throughout the reign of religion, which was to end with the new millennium.
Most religions have their own "ex" community that is better suited to speak against specifics that they have real life experience with. Personally, I wouldn't even entertain a channel that spoke against JWs if ran by some rando with no actual experience in it. Would fall flat on its face.
Meanwhile, theologians and scholars have the general conversation regarding the authenticity of the bible as a whole under control.
@Eric_01,
Well, I suppose one could take a more critical approach to publicly scrutinizing the theology, rituals and culture of the Witnesses if they're a lifelong non-JW, but they'd have to really understand the doctrines, rituals, culture, and history of the denomination. Arthur Weber, a guest on Lloyd's channel, he was never a JW and he's practically a Jehovah's Witness encyclopedia in human form. The same could probably be said for anyone who wishes to critically examine any religious tradition that they've never personally been involved with. I think what scholars have to say on the Bible and its authenticity or lack thereof, do a pretty good job at getting people to objectively look at those texts. More should be done in this field when it comes to the Quran and other religious scriptures as well.
Jenga analogy was brilliant.
Why don’t you the GB didn’t go to college and over 8 million people are treating what they say as gospel!
Hi Lloyd, I think of it as God = good and goodness can be everywhere, then God is everywhere. Devil = evil and its important to be on the side of goodness. No judging ---R
I feel sorry for this call because I grew up as catholic and I was absolutely happy, I became witness only because I wanted to preach but I never imagine the destruction and abuses. I almost got kill there inside of JW. Lie, lie and lie.
so after all these years,, should you stayed in england or moved ?
Oh wow! Daniel you poor thing.
Touche Lloyd!
I have been warned about consorting with spirits by the Creator, and others have the right to their own opinion, I don't read hearts or minds, and I'll be d@π€& if I would ever need to control anyone elses perceptuon of their experience or reality and vice versa, I do not dissemble for anyone. Much love/thanx 💜
@raceandros5079,
I'd largely agree, although if a god does exist, who's to say that a deity wouldn't be okay with and that humans couldn't consort with other spirits. I mean, what are deities and angels, are they not spirits? Catholics pray to dead saints and ask the saints to pray for their souls. Medieval magicians, some of whom may have been Catholic clergy, sometimes summoned demons and believed that they could control these demonic forces and make them conform to the magicians' will through the use of spells and that the demons had no choice in the matter. Many religions such as Santeria, Vodou and Caodaism believe in appealing to various spirits, saints and deities; many of these faiths utilize various divinatory techniques and they truly believe it works.
To me, it's no different really than praying to Jesus or Yahweh or venerating Catholic, Eastern Orthodox Christian or Sufi Muslim saints. Trying to beseech spirits is an old concept, and I couldn't say that it doesn't work, but I have no good reason to think it does. I'm an atheist, so I don't have much reason to believe that any appeal to the supernatural works or that the supernatural exists. As long as people are not using their religion to harm others, I'm willing to let people be.
@@b.w.7588
The pervert watchers are the enemy, fiery seraphim, serpentine spirits of ancient hate for the Creators "Two powers in the heavens," (Dr. Michael Heiser,) and the crowning creation.
Lizard King Sentiment: "I'm gonna love you till the heavens start to reign, I'm gonna love you till the stars fall from the sky...."
Meaning: Want something, let it go, then hunt it down and kill it.
Reality: Richard Bardo travels from Tucson Az. To hellyweird, murders his obsession at her front door, Rebecca Schaeffer.
I love Lloyd's approach to this so much more than Aron Ra's.
Can you imagine if Lloyd let the ban all religion campaign and it came true, apart from Jehovahs witnesses, he would fulfill their prophecy. Ohh the irony if that happened 😂
Thanks Daniel , your a legend.
I align with your take on Lloyd’s take on this .
I have no clue how this channel was recommended to me, but how do you explain people who have had visions of Christ and been shown things in the future that have come true - just a figment of their imaginations?
Do Hindus and Buddhists have visions of Christ or is it predominantly Christians?
You'd have to be REAL specific and offer some actual evidence. "Claims" as these are a dime a dozen.
Well, if you don’t believe me, the only proof I have is what I told my husband between May of 2020 and September of 2021, multiple times. No human being could know something like that with their own natural mind. Maybe God will give me something else to put here that will be fulfilled. I am most definitely telling the truth, but if you don’t believe me, I am okay with that.
@@LloydEvansHindus snd Buddhists have most definitely had visions of Christ, but it often leads to a conversion to Christianity.
*May of 2000 to September of 2001
The original Neolithic Pictographic meaning for Lord, Hebrew; “YHVH”.
In ancient poetics “Every name tells a story”;
Reading right to left;
“Y” Yod, symbolizes; “ Sky (sun/ star)”
“H” Heh, symbolizes; “Man”. (pointing to the sky)
“V” Vah, symbolizes; “Earth”
“H” Heh, symbolizes; “Man”. (pointing to the sky)
YHVH symbolizes; “Sky, Man, Earth, Man”
“YHVH” Paraphrased as; “Sky Man (to) Earth Man”
YaH (Sky Man) is a Sky Deity.
read the "Bible Codec yhvh" its on the web.
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Wow! What high praise. Was this guy paid for his endorsement or does he have a crush on you? 😅
It's maybe a bit of overcompensation after all the hate I've been getting but honestly I'll take it, lol
@LloydEvans I agree with your viewpoint on Christianity. Fighting to get rid of it would be like fighting to do away with corporations. There are negatives in the business world, and corporations do a lot of damage, but would we want to live in a world where they're suddenly gone?
Religions have done a lot of good. Generation by generation religions will lose their grip. But hopefully, we will hold onto our humanity.
Great video Lloyd ty
he sounds like he's reading a script.
George Carlin on religion & money,
I think of Jesus Christ the same way as Star Wars.
I guess it's cool, but I just don't care for the fan base.
All the triggered Christians in the comments threatening us with invisible punishments 😂😂😂
I think the more honest comparison without dancing around like you’re doing (no offence I love you but that’s precisely what you’re doing) would be to say “smoking is bad, religion/theism is bad”.
You only know what you know!
I’m not scared of hell, but I love Jesus
I agree...
Seed destroyer that’s what he hid under satans vontrol
Knowing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior is the only way to the Father. John 14:6. Believe and confess Jesus so that you will can have life eternal. This caller said you’re his idol, which is idolatry. There are many gods, but the one true and real One is through Jesus.
So you saying Jesus is not GOD?
I don’t agree with that guy. God is real but you don’t have to force it down people’s throats. That’s the problem. I’m Catholic and I don’t think we do that like the born agains fire and brimstone religions. I’m very happy being a Catholic and so many Protestants don’t understand what goes on in our faith. We don’t worship idols. It all means other things that you don’t understand and you just are taking the words of other Protestants who don’t understand either.
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DarkMatter2525 is awesome!
Poor confused caller, Daniel. He's clearly never read fully or done serious Bible Study.
Biblical Christianity is real and true. God is real, Jesus the Christ (Yeshua the Messiah) is God come in the flesh to the Earth to pay the price for the wages of sin which is death.
Cults that pretend to be Christianity have done, and continue to do, great harm to people.
Poor confused commenter, Jeanette. What you're expressing is nothing but total hormonal bullshit. What credible evidence do you have that any of the hundreds and hundreds of gods and goddesses that Mankind has created exist? None, nothing, nada, zip.
Biblical christianity is just as false as athiesm. It must be you who hasn't done serious Bible study or you'd realize it slanders God & misrepresents Him.
God would never torture his creation for not adoring him, he's a God of love & is no hypocrite, yet you accuse him of hypocrisy by accusing Jesus of not following his own advice in Matthew 5:44 to "love your enemies", I believe authentic spiritual messages from Heaven have been channeled through Mr Bob Sanders by the Great White Brotherhood.
I fully read the Bible and had serious Bible study. Trust me we are NOT confused to conclude that it is not based on facts and science. Christians seem more confused because they can't even agree with each other by reading the exact same book. Just because you write "god is real " does not make it real.
@@TruthSpeaker. Hi, The Bible, 66 Books by 40 different authors, is an integrated message system from outside our time domain. Every word is true and infallible in its original autographs (the Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek). God proves the Truth of His Holy Word through the Prophecy contained in its pages having been fulfilled and continuing to be fulfilled.
The whole counsel of God must be understood and this understanding only comes from diligent study of all the Books. Nothing contradicts anything else. Remember Jesus (Yeshua), who is God Almighty, is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is in its pages from Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:21.
Yes, in His First Coming He came to show us sinners the only Way to forgiveness and salvation ("No one comes to the Father but by Me"), which is true repentance. In His Second Coming He comes as Judge to the Earth to fulfill the rest of Isaiah 61:2 which is "...and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn."
God is righteous and holy. Yes, we are to love our enemies for we do not wrestle with flesh and blood but with the satanic powers of darkness that use humans against other humans. All repentant sinners will have their sins forgiven by our God Who is love. He who calls on the Name of the Lord will be saved. Those who do not repent of their selfish, sinful (missing the Mark [Archery term]), rebellious ways will have chosen their final destination; the place God created for the devil and his angels, not humans, being Hell.
No it’s not. You just don’t want to accept God. That’s the problem
which god? The one you were taught to believe in from birth.
@@rockpadstudiosthe one and only true God. Which god did you think I was talking about? Allah? Please…
@@thoumustrepent9463you are so right brother. Sadly, people want to justify their sin. Thinking “god is not real” is going to save them. SMDH
@@thoumustrepent9463yeah. That’s exactly right. Allah is indeed the most hateful god. You want to look at a religion of hate, go look at Islam. Everyone wants to bash Christianity for some stupid reason
Thor seems cool to me@@thoumustrepent9463
The original Neolithic Pictographic* meaning of Moses’ God, Hebrew; “ALHYM” (Elohim/ ELoHYiM) , and in Arabic “Allah”.
Reading right to left;
A, Alef, symbolizes; Ox (Bull of Sky).
L, Lamid, symbolizes; Staff; “Leads”
H, Heh, symbolizes; Man (pointing to the sky).
Y, Yod, symbolizes; “Sky** (sun/ star)”.
M, Mem, as suffix symbolizes “multitudes”, plural of the Yod, as; stars/ constellations.
“ALH-YM” (ELoHYiM) symbolizes; “Ox* - Staff - Man - Sky - Multitudes.”
“AaLoH-YiM” (ELoHYiM) paraphrased as; “Ruler, Leads, Man, (to) Stars (Astrological Constellations).
The original Elohim were Astrologers**.
read the "Bible Codec yhvh" its on the web.
The caller spent half the time bootlicking Lloyd to the nth degree. "You're my idol". 😂😂 Surprised this wasnt a script written by Lloyd!
That’s not very nice if you can’t say anything kind don’t say anything at all😮
This caller seems like he's a little slow