Ikora monitoring Osiris is evidence of due diligence - not evidence of distrust. Even if she trusted Osiris without equivocation, it would be utterly incompetent for the Hidden not to keep him under surveillance. On a side note, I think there's a subtle difference between distrusting Osiris the man, and being uncertain if some external force has compromised him.
Get this dude AND his logic outta here! They're making too much sense and I will not have a RUclips comment section filled with such reckless reasoning! (Seriously though, you're right on. Ikora would not make the same mistake twice and that is her goal.)
@MD 81 you do realise that in one of the very lore tabs red in this video it's implied that ikora no longer trusts him atleast not completely, she does care without a doubt but trusting and caring are two different things and the fact that aunor is the one keeping watch and that when aunor told him that she's there for his safety with the implication that she's there to protect him from himself clearly shows how little faith ikora and the hidden have in him, also saying ikora is doing her due diligence in keeping watch over him so that she doesn't get tricked again is a null point because ikora has been watching us since beyond light, it only shows how on guard she is when it comes to trusting osiris and even if aunor is there bu coinsidence and it could've been any other hidden agent, but we don't know that so atleats to me it gives the iterpertation that she's there as an executioner should it come to pass that osiris has been compromised and is to kill on site in the case that he has.
@@aistikasmursu9432 Not overlooking the strong points that you made, but your talk of Aunor being assigned as a potential inquisitor/executioner inspired an idea that I wanted to share with you directly since it was your reply that sparked it. One thing that we all are overlooking is that whilst powers of light are given (gifted) from an external source to the wielder, powers of darkness are derived from within the individual, are potentially without bound, AND are not regulated, or policed by an external source. What if things were to go South and Aunor, or some other unfortunate soul, were to try to quell Osiris only to find that one billion years of the Witch Queen's mastery of Darkness was also lying dormant in his mind. Talk about a rude awakening if he were to snap and tear the light from her body.
She's supposed to the Vanguard's Grand Spy Master and she totally missed the enemy three feet in front of her. Heavy Yoda vibes here - the Grand Master of the Jedi Order couldn't detect the Sith Lord despite close contact with him for years. I'd be pissed at myself too.
@@scottmccrea1873 ya. She was tricked by the queen of lies and deception. And she said the reason she never doubted him was because she thought it was just Osiris being broken because sagira died. Which is reasonable.
@@Yogarine that we know of. A lot of lore still needs to be released before light fall. It wouldn’t surprise me if we get that towards the end of the season.
You can't help but feel sorry for Osiris. I mean his Ghost was killed by Xivu, Savathûn possessed him and used him like a puppet for a year, got sent into a coma for almost another. Now that he's finally awake, the guy is being treated like he's some kind boobytrap.
This makes me so sad Sagira is gone. At least when he was exiled the first he had is ghost who was his constant now besides Saint and us he’s utterly alone.
Osiris really went for the jugular when it came to confronting Aunor. It says a lot about her composure that she responded with compassion (at least as much compassion as she is capable of) when he brought up what is probably one of the most traumatic memories of her life as a "gotcha" moment.
Of course, we’d be wise to keep an eyes on our risen Phoenix, but at the same time, we can’t ignore the fact that Osiris wishes to prove himself as a trustworthy friend. Though Savathun played us all for fools when she possessed him and even though he had ingested Nezerec tea to regain his memory, Osiris is still a friend, and I personally am not ready to doubt him yet.
Till this day, I don't trust Aunor seeing how she was trying to make Uncle Drifter homeless and previously believed that we had a hand in the death of Cayde-6
@@adriansimonsen6533 How many stupid distances down have we been able to jump down only to double jump right at the last second to land completely fine? Narratively it's pretty silly we didn't just jump straight down after Cayde went down riding the building thing and if we did there's almost no way he would have died then and there at least if we were down there with him. Maybe Petra would have died if we completely ditched her and suddenly the narrative takes a turn and we're in a parallel universe where we never find out about the dreaming city existing and riven gets used to take over the solar system taking us by surprise. Our character could have easily saved him but the narrative said we didn't save him because we were too slow going in the direction we have the absolute least trouble with traveling in at our highest speeds on foot so I don't blame ikora for being suspicious of us suddenly being useless and unreliable
The worst part is that Bungies marketing spoiled that there is a city on Neptune. So all those questioning Osiris ingame along with us discovering it lacks impact. It's a foregone conclusion like lost into witch queen.
really even if I didn't know about lightfall I'd still be thinking something is definitely on Neptune even just 2 weeks into this season if only because of story tropes
What would Bungie do really? So far every year they release a trailer for the next expansion and you expect them to not explain what this mysterious new city is?
@@dogsoldier123 At the end.of the day it's their story to tell. Hopefully figure out a way to have a cool trailer and not spoil seasonal stories for starters. Imagine not knowing where Savathun went after the ritual, and finding out about Hive Guardians naturally ingame. That or finding the Witnesses and Calus's forces are focusing on Neptune the following week after learning about an undiscovered city located on the planet.
Well, an unconsidered point remains, Savathun, being opposed to the Witness to the point of seeking out the Traveler, could have shared her memories with Osiris as a hedged bet or even operated under the initial assumption of losing to the guardian in the first place. By giving them to Osiris, she nudges him in the correct direction to get ahold of something, anything, that might give the guardians the ability to fight back against the Witness if her plan to seal away the Traveler failed. I mean at that point her calculus is probably something along the lines of "if I lose, but my ghost survives, I can eventually come back, but if the Witness wins, I will definitely not come back, so the Witness can't win, I need to ensure the Guardians win or stalemate the Witness, best case scenario, they need me and my brood to win against the Witness, then I come back and if the Witness loses I can do whatever I want at that point."
I think Osiris is holding on by a thread at this point; he’s reeling with PTSD from Savathûn’s possession; Sagira, his closest friend for untold centuries, and his link to the light and immortality is dead; his friends and allies are keeping him at arms length through no fault of his own; Saint is the only one who really believes him now, the only one he can really lean on; Osiris’ is probably playing up his ego this season because his perceived intellect is really all he has left to call his own; these lore tabs make me feel like it wouldn’t take much for him to have a complete mental breakdown
Dude I have a completely original one! Just came up with it. Nezdaq, a play on Nasdaq because, well it's a stock of Nezarec, just a different kinda stock. I like it 🙂
I agree with ikora's vigilance. To quote Kreia " mistrust is a shield that must be carried. Always " we are still dealing with the aftermath of the witch queen of lies and trickery
Kreia said a lot of things. She made it clear not to trust anyone, manipulate everyone, and yet also trust only her while trusting nobody *including* herself, all in one breath. Truly a master worthy of the title Traya, that one. 👌
I agree. Sure watching him for being compromised is due diligence, but I think the Hidden agent could be there as much to watch out for him and keep him safe.
sure give him a bodyguard for his safety but be a adult about it tell him this is gonna be your right hand man for a while make sure your safe and pick somebody he trusts. dont send john wick to stalk him from afar
@@steelgriffin7716 yes, i hope we get to meet her one day but i have a feeling she'll probably just be a lore only character like shin. kinda made it hard for the drifter/vanguard choice when it wasn't the vanguard and was more siding with a woman we haven't met or a very charismatic guy
Why do I have this sinking feeling that, Savathun in all her cunning and foresight, left the memories of Neomuna in Osiris on purpose for the sake of him leading us to Neomuna, discovering how to wield Strand much akin to how we learned to use psychic energy through the trail of the glaive. She probably wants Osiris to get access to Strand because he is the most knowledgeable of how the universe works, in terms of time-space manipulation AND he was the most proficient user of the light, so learning the functionality and affordances of Strand would be a cakewalk for him. It doesn't seem like something Savathun would do to just leave traces behind, especially since she knew he would be saved by at the beginning of her plan AND because the Two Lies Two Truths game proves that she knew he was still alive. It is very suspicious how we have no speak of Savathun or her ghost and how the Lucent Brood have been creeping up since then. Remember, expansions don't just end the season they arrive, they linger for the whole year they come out, and we have yet to get any closure on what Immaru and the potential threat he poses now that Osiris is awake.
The biggest hole in this idea is that Savathun didn't know that Strand was a thing, she can't guide anyone to something if she doesn't even know it exists in the first place.
@@S3Cs4uN8 She may not know exactly what Strand is, but she may know about the Weave that connects all living things. She once said that the power to move worlds will be ours, and we may gain that power from the Weave in the form of Strand. The Eidolon armor and gear also gives us an idea that the existence of the Weave isn't entirely new. Drifter said and Eris saw that when you burn egregore at the ends, it "sings". When it sings, you can see wavelengths and- most importantly- threads. The loretab for Delicate Tomb also makes mention of "hearing without sound", which could also be referencing the Weave due to Strand's wavelength aesthetic. I think the Weave is something that's somewhat common knowledge among more 'esoteric' characters, but it's never been tapped into directly as a source of power. Maybe THAT'S what could help this theory work. Savathun left those clues for Osiris to discover a new way to tap into the Weave, which is how we discover Strand.
I could see the Hidden agent being set to monitor and follow him having a secondary objective. Osiris has one life left to live, and Ikora's afraid to lose it. (yes I did adapt her line about herself from the Red War) Consider. On one side, He's still a possible security risk. Between his previous possession by Savvy, and his revival by the power of Lipton Neztea(Yes I stole that from a twitter post shut up it's funny), he could indeed by a walking time bomb. On the other, Osiris is clearly damaged. Emotionally compromised by everything that's happened to him, between losing Sagira and his light, to being used against his closest friends and favorite student... The man has been through some *shit* and it has effected him deeply. It's clear he desperately wants to maintain his relevance, too. He wants to help, to use that incredible mind and centuries of experience that honestly kinda justify his arrogance. And really it's all he has left. He's not the formidable warrior-Warlock he once was anymore with Sagira gone. That brings me to another thought. I really really hope the story of Lightfall involves us figuring out Strand first, on our own, even if the conversations are just between us and Ghost about it... But I have a second demand. It's cheap, it's dumb, it's... Cheesy. But the SECOND Guardian to learn and master Strand better fucking be Osiris. (Also don't make him a Cloudstrider(?). Please no, My heart and Saint couldn't take it.) Oh RIGHT. That secondary objective. Protecting Osiris from others, and possibly more importantly, Himself. What I worry about the most with Osiris is not him being a vector for attack again, it's him getting hurt or killed because he bit off more than he can chew.
I SHOULD COMMENT I hadn't finished the video before hammering this out and feel rather... pants down with Aunor all but confirming my suspicion on her actual mission.
yeah totally but you dont send a bodyguard to skulk from afar. ikora one should of sent someone he trusted and 2 had them actually talk to osiris like a adult. somebody like ana or shiro could of worked
I trust Osiris, but I don't trust Osiris is untainted. Mara mentions how a Scorn is seemingly being used by the Witness as a living archive of memories/information and calls the concept troubling. I think much that same thing is going to happen with Osiris.
Well, the entirety of an Exo's mind is human. And Clovis did everything he could to make sure that Exos were basically just mechanical humans at the end of the day. Otherwise if he didn't their brains bricked up and they were reduced to chatbot AI levels of humanness. So, despite the mechanical body, Exos are capable of every little nuance a human could have.
There was a quote I heard and it sings true here. "the man that goes into hell is not the same one that comes out." osiris has been through hell and he surely has changed but he is desperately trying to put his experience in that hell to good use despite everyone holding him at arms length.
I think it might be two things. Diligence and worry for Osiris. Osiris likes to run off and make risks to try and make change instead of seeking help. His adventure into the Infinite Forest almost caused his own death. Going off alone to investigate the court of Oryx and rumors of Crow cost him the trust of his closest allies, the death of his ghost, and his free will. Then there is the fact drinking the essence of Nezerak well having a good effect of waking him from his coma could also have negative effects. Like making him a target for the Witness' manipulations or corruption.
Ikora is discounting on Osiris all her frustration and anger for falling in Savathun trick, that was not her fault, everyone was deceived. But Ikora in my opinion is crossing a line that can affect her relation with Osiris, Saint an maybe others... Her actions is really affecting Osiris mentally and emotionally, shes not trying to be cautious or sus about him, shes just kind like "fighting" back
Lol no, If she didnt have hidden watching him incase Savathun did leave some shit in him everyone would be like, " Why the fuk you not doing anything or taking precautions Ikora?" lol Its quite literally her job man. Just like the Mara Sov has agents that do just that but I guess its ok for the Awoken queen to spy on folks or keep an eye on others lol Hell the queen has a whole elaborate kill plan for our asses alos lol.
....being cautions surrounding someone who literally controlled by a hive GOD that was so cunning she even tricked us into helping her after her rebirth. You act like the visions couldn't be planted as well. It's like you didn't watch the video or play the game. Zavala blamed her & her alone for bit knowing Osiris was possessed. Her being cautious now isn't anything more than due diligence & if she wasn't doing the bare minimum of paying attention to Osris she puts us all in danger again.
I'm on Osiris's side and even I would call Ikora an Idiot for not keeping an eye on him, with the things that have happened to him she needs to ensure he's not a risk to security or himself. he could get so desperate to prove himself he puts himself or others in danger whether he intends it or not. at the very least our character would go after him and if that perma kills us the city is screwed
People forget this isnt the first time she has done similar. Even Zavala right before Osiris went on that mission told Osiris he dont care about prophecies he will only send help if he has proof. Like wow. So he kept sending audio messages and Zavala never sent help. Ikora with her spies has to have known. Osiris has spent his life helping humanity and his prophecies were all true yet they want him to go out and find proof. I dont feel its deserved as had they have listened to begin with he may not have ended up this way. They always showed lack of trust. Zavala put a call out for missing guardians Osiris answered it and tried to warn him more was going on and Eramis was a distraction.
I love the content of the channel. I'm only 2 years playing destiny, so find everything fascinating. Thanks for all the hard work. I have to say I love Osiris.. Merry Christmas everyone, keep safe and all good things for 2023. 🌟
To see annors compassion come through is a nice change. You kind of got that in a veiled way during the drifter vr vanguard event back in the day so it's just nice seeing the less shown sides of characters
At least Aunor captured and transported Guardains to the City to be treated from being corrupted by the Witness’ whispers. Unlike Shin Malphur, who’s been going around killing Guardians corrupted by the Witness tat could’ve been treated and saved. Guardians can be corrupted and turn against other Guardians through Hive magic, or the Witness’ influence.
I am loving the arc of Osiris' journey. From a character mentioned in lore beats in the Grimore online, to a quick "Thanks guardian" at the end of Curse, to showing up and being a voice in everyones' ear for over a year that turned out to be a huge trick and ANOTHER character we had read about in the Grimore and lore Savathun in a meat suit, to now being a shell (no pun intended) of his former self but possessing the one thing that makes him a bigger threat to the Witness in all these years; knowledge. Knowledge of a place and a power not mentioned except in some hand wave lore bits. Knowledge of a power that could rival the Witness' Fleet (I'm still convinced what we see in that shot of the Lightfall reveal is a Cloud Strider shot impacting and damaging a Pyramid Ship. Anor is there to protect Osiris; not just from himself; but from possible assassination, or worse, corruption, by the Witness' forces. We need what he knows, now more than ever. I am 99% sure we have her shell but what if Sageria shows up as some resurrected "Darkness Ghost" to try and sway him? What if that's how we make contact with Strand? He somehow is able to pull her back from the Dark and together they can use Strand and teach us how?
Except like, really reasonable. The time she argued with Shin was because Shin was planning on executing a bunch of corrupted Guardians and Aunor insisted they be brought in alive. She's been heavily mischaracterised as some kind of zealot by the community.
Any argument about Savathun and her trickery seems moot though. Its just as likely she implanted those visions to deliberately mislead us as it is they're actually left over memories and she knew her sheer reputation would mislead us all the same. The protocol should be trust but verify, not outright distrust. Ikora is meant to be smarter than that, it bothers me that she's still so needlessly conniving after all these years. Eris probably has some spell that could verify his visions or something idk
You gotta remember Savathun didn't have the light when she had Osiris, so neomuna was likely gleaned not planted. Likely, she was seeking another power to defeat the darkness as she didn't know she would acquire the light. I think they're going to let her get resurrected trying to get answers but ultimately she'll be a strained ally.
I can only imagine when he finally has a long chat with Crow, that things are going to be very intense. Savathun very much felt for crow, in her own way. Was invested in the warmth and light (hah) his interactions with the guardian and with Savathun inspired inside herself. If he's having flashbacks like this one, oh boy is he in for a time... And crow... well... yeah.
I mean. Shin apparently used Jaren Ward's Ghost and there was no previous light there I'm more of a fan of "Fynch becomes Osiris' ghost" as an idea, however
@@AvaR0se-08 well ghosts can choose other people, but there are ways to make sure a guardian can never have light ever again, such as Thorn and its bullets eating it so theyre nothing but a husk. I'm really not sure where Osiris lies, from being possessed by someone that was a host to a darkness parasite, having his ghost die, in a coma for so long, and drinking physical darkness energy, is there really any light left to use?
My roomate and I have brunch every tuesday, and this was the *very first* thing I brought up as soon as that cutscene was released. I think that would be super sick
I do think it's a vision given by Savathun on purpose, but we have to remember that Savathun wants to protect the Traveler as well. If she lost against the god slayer (which she did), she might have had a contingency plan because presumably something important in in Neomoona.
@@sivan3125 Yes & No. Inmaru has to either be near her body, or have it entirely destroyed to resurrect her. And currently The Hidden have it, so he can't approach/destroy it easily.
Gosh, as far as unseen-in-game characters go, Aunor has got to be my favourite. I cannot wait to either see her in the game or on a destiny animated tv show. Anyone who knows the lore knows that Aunor is badass.
I wouldn't trust him either. He woke up from being possesed by a hive god by drinking a cup of tea made from a disciple of the witness. If that isn't a reason to be hesitant I don't know what it is
That “tea” wasn’t made from Nezarec. It was made from Darkness energy. I don’t know why everyone is insisting that Bungie wrote off Nezarec like that when they clearly didn’t.
I hope there's a gap between this season and lightfall where osiris can get a holiday with saint, and come back focused and calm, instead of desperately trying to gain trust, while appearing more suspicious to everyone else in the pursuit of trust
Considering they poured him a nice piping hot cup of darkness and he’s just awake from that with no repercussions, I would probably have trust issues to.
I always brace myself when Byf says "But First", since many other RUclipsrs do front-loaded ads. "But first, we need to not look at Osiris, but at today's sponsor, Hello Fresh"
Hey Byf, don't know if you or your mods will see this but, have you consider doing a full recap of all the story of Destiny but including everything that has happened since, shadowkeep or the last time you did a Destiny story vid? Considering that next year is technically the beginning of the End and the showdown with The Witness, i think it would be a good idea to bring an etire revamp (3.0 reference there) or your previous Destiny story vids, combine them into one full mega vid but with everything that has happened since Witch Queen and all the events of this year (Risen, Haunted and now Seraph)
I wonder if Savathun meant to have osiris messed up so badly it took some very specific primeval darkness to fix him. Plans within plans can only go so far but savathuns plans are on another level
I can imagine a plot line in which Osiris is pushed even farther to outsider status than he ever had, gets Strand, and becomes sort of a third party in this war of Light and Dark. A lot of his recent dialog reminds me of Rhulk and the Witness. There's doubt, pain, loss, self loathing and anger that was never there when he was a banished Guardian. All his friends have abanded him, and he's lost the source of his power and usefulness. All he has left is Saint. We don't know the full extent of what subtle workings that distilled darkness would do to him. He may not be mind controlled by Nezarec, but he could be the smallest bit tainted or corrupted by the radiation like effects of the Darkness. Sure, he's going to have Strand eventually, obvious. But what will that look like? Will he just be a Drifter, Eris Morn, or countless Europan visiting guardian, a completely accepted Guardian who seems comfortable using the darkness and goes back to business as usual? Unlikely. Could he be a human analog to Eramis, feeling hurt and betrayed by people who just aren't willing to do what's necessary for the survival of the species? Could he join Neomuna and attempt to bridge the two worlds, or lash out at them for some combination of cowardice and withholding support at a time when the Earth, and he personally, needed help? Could he become a new Mara Sov, a being of dark and light, using predictions and Prophecy to bring destruction to his enemies no matter the unseen consequences? A new Savathun, working towards his own less clear endgame? Or could he become another Clovis Bray, an arragant intelligence that grows frustrated dealing with the feelings of lesser humanity that is unable or unwilling to understand the vast and interconnected understanding he brings? All these, or something comparable, seem more likely to me.
I feel the one that can best help council and maybe guide Osiris in this new, and vulnerable, part of his long (last) life, is Eris. She suffered trauma and great loss from the Hive, survived, gained the City’s trust with her knowledge of the Hive, Taken, and later the Darkness itself, had gone through a vulnerable time where she couldn’t trust herself (suffering from the Witness’ corruption through the Darkness), gained new Allie’s to trust (the Dark Vanguard) and even has found a new role to play in her last life: a witch of the Dark Vanguard, helping us to unravel the veil hiding the Witness’ intentions. She’s been though Osiris’ experience before (albeit, without the possession), and would be the best person to help him. She even played the role of therapist, helping others accept, put their nightmares to rest after purifying them into memories, just as she moved past her nightmares. She could even teach Osiris how to fight and survive without the Light.
I wonder if Osiris could learn to channel darkness, maybe he will lear Strand with us, who knows, but it is a shame seeing him in this state, feeling powerless.
I feel like this distrust of Osiris is buildup to him being our mentor while discovering strand. If I’m not mistaken, people usually discover and develop darkness powers when they’ve been denied something they really want, or rejected, or after a traumatic event. And I feel like after losing Sagira and his light, being possessed by Savathun, and then coming back just to be chaperoned by Ikora and her hidden for “security”, will sort of push him towards the discovery of something, anything he could use to try and help the last city, and prove that he’s still useful. And I think that could be strand. Idk how we’ll get to Neptune, Idk if we’ll start discovering the beginnings of strand at the end of this season or whenever we get to Neptune, but I really think it’s important to pay attention to Osiris in this time before lightfall. Could be something, could be nothing, but I think there might be something here
Ikoras doing what NEEDS to be done: Keep all avenues of attack from within covered. The hidden are basically Guardian FBI. We might be HELLA suspecful of such espionage, but god knows when we WERENT using it, the lack of it was exploited hard. Ikoras not doing this oit of distrust, shes making certain.
@@rensins08 unfortunately while he may understand why, itd hurt me too if someone that was close started to be more cautious and distant towards me for something outside my control
I would be wary of his visions too. After all, he was possessed by the Hive God of trickery and cunning. Still, I feel bad for him. He's been through... a lot? Yeah, he's been through a lot.
Ikora is suspicious of the revived Osiris because of his new darkness powers since he no longer has a ghost to keep him from becoming evil but he also no has strand before us
i'd never forgive Bungie to give us IMPORTANT story beats this way. Give us story in-game ... i want to SEE them arguing ... i don't wanna read about it. Because i don't. And that is one of the foundation of the ''we're tired of one 2-minutes cinematic per season'' This shoulf have been as inportant to see as the interaction between Ana and Elsie this week. Proof that it doesn't have to be all cinematic. i alwaqys feel like i'm missing something. There, i said it.
I have this feeling the nezarac tea is going to prove to be a mistake. Like maybe Osiris is himself now but because he consumed some of nezarac maybe his body will become a vessel if someone decides to resurrect nezarac.
I'm so GLAD Bungie didn't take the route of "oh, Osiris is back and he told of us of something in Neptune! Let's begin working on it, Guardian" after the drinked a DARKNESS tea. I'm really enjoying how things are developing with him, with we still being skeptical about him and not taking his "visions" as possiblities already.
Osiris is a good bean, I feel bad for him, he loses his ghost, gets posessed by the witch queen, and is now distrusted by everyone. He needs a warm blanket and a cup of hot cocoa.
does seem reasonable to be cautious given how recent his recovery is and us not knowing the exact effects the possession may have lingering even after savathun's death
As I mentioned in my write up I think Ikora not trusting Osiris is ridiculous. Time after time he has not only put the hard work in for humanity but predicted so many Prophecies and each time the Vanguard asks for proof. It's quite disheartening. Ikora problem is she failed him by not recognizing it wasnt him. He has been through a terrible ordeal one that may not have happened if Zavala didn't also demand proof before he would send help. Osiris can absolutely be trusted no matter the Nezarec stuff. He clearly has a strong will power likely unmatched by most
Did the essence of nezerac just give Osiris consciousness? Or did it manifest any sort of renewed power in him? Like immortality, or is he still mortal? I forget if that’s a light exclusive property. Sorry if that’s a weird question, I’m just curious about Osiris’s current state.
I think he could possibly be sustained by Darkness, in the same way the Light does. Maybe. Plus, Osiris did have consciousness, he was just trapped in his own mind and unable to wake up. (review the trials ship or sparrow from Haunted to see what I mean).
I have a feeling Nezarech is within his mind which would explain how Osiris wakes up after the tea. He may seem more Osiris than before but definitely still sus AF.
I've always really liked Osiris and I've felt bad for what's happened to him. I think he's entirely trustworthy because despite everything that's happened to him, he immediately jumped right back into what he's used to doing no questions asked. And Saint of all people should know whether or not his partner is acting off for any reason.
I get the whole bird/phoenix motif is his thing, but you think he would try a little harder to disguise himself and not wear something so related to himself. Also Aunor sounds less like some kind of hidden spy/agent and more like an Imperial Inquisitor.
Ikora monitoring Osiris is evidence of due diligence - not evidence of distrust. Even if she trusted Osiris without equivocation, it would be utterly incompetent for the Hidden not to keep him under surveillance. On a side note, I think there's a subtle difference between distrusting Osiris the man, and being uncertain if some external force has compromised him.
Get this dude AND his logic outta here! They're making too much sense and I will not have a RUclips comment section filled with such reckless reasoning!
(Seriously though, you're right on. Ikora would not make the same mistake twice and that is her goal.)
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Dude DRANK DARKNESS. It stands to reason to keep an eye on him.
@MD 81 you do realise that in one of the very lore tabs red in this video it's implied that ikora no longer trusts him atleast not completely, she does care without a doubt but trusting and caring are two different things and the fact that aunor is the one keeping watch and that when aunor told him that she's there for his safety with the implication that she's there to protect him from himself clearly shows how little faith ikora and the hidden have in him, also saying ikora is doing her due diligence in keeping watch over him so that she doesn't get tricked again is a null point because ikora has been watching us since beyond light, it only shows how on guard she is when it comes to trusting osiris and even if aunor is there bu coinsidence and it could've been any other hidden agent, but we don't know that so atleats to me it gives the iterpertation that she's there as an executioner should it come to pass that osiris has been compromised and is to kill on site in the case that he has.
@@aistikasmursu9432 Not overlooking the strong points that you made, but your talk of Aunor being assigned as a potential inquisitor/executioner inspired an idea that I wanted to share with you directly since it was your reply that sparked it. One thing that we all are overlooking is that whilst powers of light are given (gifted) from an external source to the wielder, powers of darkness are derived from within the individual, are potentially without bound, AND are not regulated, or policed by an external source. What if things were to go South and Aunor, or some other unfortunate soul, were to try to quell Osiris only to find that one billion years of the Witch Queen's mastery of Darkness was also lying dormant in his mind. Talk about a rude awakening if he were to snap and tear the light from her body.
She really was angry with herself at the start of witch queen. Makes sense she doesn’t want to fall for another trick.
She's supposed to the Vanguard's Grand Spy Master and she totally missed the enemy three feet in front of her. Heavy Yoda vibes here - the Grand Master of the Jedi Order couldn't detect the Sith Lord despite close contact with him for years.
I'd be pissed at myself too.
@@scottmccrea1873 ya. She was tricked by the queen of lies and deception. And she said the reason she never doubted him was because she thought it was just Osiris being broken because sagira died. Which is reasonable.
Kinda disappointing that the one compromised is probably Mithrax and nobody seems to have even checked in on him since last season...
@@Yogarine that we know of. A lot of lore still needs to be released before light fall. It wouldn’t surprise me if we get that towards the end of the season.
You can't help but feel sorry for Osiris. I mean his Ghost was killed by Xivu, Savathûn possessed him and used him like a puppet for a year, got sent into a coma for almost another. Now that he's finally awake, the guy is being treated like he's some kind boobytrap.
And a second collapse is approaching.
Bro, Osiris sucks metal pipe and takes it too
Worst of all, we can't give him a cookie
@@coen226 Literally.
@@LiterallyFishy no cookie for osiris?
This makes me so sad Sagira is gone. At least when he was exiled the first he had is ghost who was his constant now besides Saint and us he’s utterly alone.
She’s not gone completely for me I still rock her shell and always will
Osiris really went for the jugular when it came to confronting Aunor. It says a lot about her composure that she responded with compassion (at least as much compassion as she is capable of) when he brought up what is probably one of the most traumatic memories of her life as a "gotcha" moment.
Yet we still get Drifter fanboys acting like she's the second Dredgen Yor who'll shank you and your Ghost if you gave her half a reason.
@@Lardo137 And tbf there is nothing proving that she Wouldnt do that
Of course, we’d be wise to keep an eyes on our risen Phoenix, but at the same time, we can’t ignore the fact that Osiris wishes to prove himself as a trustworthy friend. Though Savathun played us all for fools when she possessed him and even though he had ingested Nezerec tea to regain his memory, Osiris is still a friend, and I personally am not ready to doubt him yet.
To each their own. My trust for him is there but, it hurts for me to admit that I can’t fully trust him out for my own reasons
Given her “job”, if Ikora didn’t have someone following Osiris people would ask “Why not???”
Also TBF she follows everyone, including us.
Till this day, I don't trust Aunor seeing how she was trying to make Uncle Drifter homeless and previously believed that we had a hand in the death of Cayde-6
Doesnt make sense to follow someone who won't trust us.
that's true tbh as sad as it makes me for osiris
@@adriansimonsen6533 How many stupid distances down have we been able to jump down only to double jump right at the last second to land completely fine? Narratively it's pretty silly we didn't just jump straight down after Cayde went down riding the building thing and if we did there's almost no way he would have died then and there at least if we were down there with him. Maybe Petra would have died if we completely ditched her and suddenly the narrative takes a turn and we're in a parallel universe where we never find out about the dreaming city existing and riven gets used to take over the solar system taking us by surprise.
Our character could have easily saved him but the narrative said we didn't save him because we were too slow going in the direction we have the absolute least trouble with traveling in at our highest speeds on foot so I don't blame ikora for being suspicious of us suddenly being useless and unreliable
The worst part is that Bungies marketing spoiled that there is a city on Neptune. So all those questioning Osiris ingame along with us discovering it lacks impact. It's a foregone conclusion like lost into witch queen.
really even if I didn't know about lightfall I'd still be thinking something is definitely on Neptune even just 2 weeks into this season if only because of story tropes
In game lore has said enough about Neptune, even without the trailers, we'd still be like 99% sure we're going to Neptune
What would Bungie do really? So far every year they release a trailer for the next expansion and you expect them to not explain what this mysterious new city is?
@@dogsoldier123 "welcome to our newest dlc, Lightfall, set on a planet that exists somewhere, that is not Uranus"
@@dogsoldier123 At the end.of the day it's their story to tell. Hopefully figure out a way to have a cool trailer and not spoil seasonal stories for starters.
Imagine not knowing where Savathun went after the ritual, and finding out about Hive Guardians naturally ingame. That or finding the Witnesses and Calus's forces are focusing on Neptune the following week after learning about an undiscovered city located on the planet.
Well, an unconsidered point remains, Savathun, being opposed to the Witness to the point of seeking out the Traveler, could have shared her memories with Osiris as a hedged bet or even operated under the initial assumption of losing to the guardian in the first place. By giving them to Osiris, she nudges him in the correct direction to get ahold of something, anything, that might give the guardians the ability to fight back against the Witness if her plan to seal away the Traveler failed. I mean at that point her calculus is probably something along the lines of "if I lose, but my ghost survives, I can eventually come back, but if the Witness wins, I will definitely not come back, so the Witness can't win, I need to ensure the Guardians win or stalemate the Witness, best case scenario, they need me and my brood to win against the Witness, then I come back and if the Witness loses I can do whatever I want at that point."
I think Osiris is holding on by a thread at this point; he’s reeling with PTSD from Savathûn’s possession; Sagira, his closest friend for untold centuries, and his link to the light and immortality is dead; his friends and allies are keeping him at arms length through no fault of his own; Saint is the only one who really believes him now, the only one he can really lean on; Osiris’ is probably playing up his ego this season because his perceived intellect is really all he has left to call his own; these lore tabs make me feel like it wouldn’t take much for him to have a complete mental breakdown
Yea true he's going
0:55 Considering that Mithraks “distilled” the darkness energy, I prefer to call it “Nezarum.”
I just call it Nezquick, mainly cause it fits
Dude I have a completely original one! Just came up with it. Nezdaq, a play on Nasdaq because, well it's a stock of Nezarec, just a different kinda stock. I like it 🙂
Nah fam, it's Neztea.
"The part of waking up, is Nezarec in your cup!"
The conversations in this video are so good I wish they were actually fully rendered! It would have been a great open to the season!
Osiris loves the long hard shaft of St. 14 pounding his cheeks
@@coen226Saint is the bottom cope
I agree with ikora's vigilance. To quote Kreia " mistrust is a shield that must be carried. Always " we are still dealing with the aftermath of the witch queen of lies and trickery
Kreia said a lot of things. She made it clear not to trust anyone, manipulate everyone, and yet also trust only her while trusting nobody *including* herself, all in one breath.
Truly a master worthy of the title Traya, that one. 👌
"do you wonder where he wander now mandalor why he gave you your orders and left you at the edge of the galaxy"-kreia
I don't think it's because Ikora doesn't trust him, I think she's concerned about his well-being
I agree. Sure watching him for being compromised is due diligence, but I think the Hidden agent could be there as much to watch out for him and keep him safe.
sure give him a bodyguard for his safety but be a adult about it tell him this is gonna be your right hand man for a while make sure your safe and pick somebody he trusts. dont send john wick to stalk him from afar
@@frankiebigrings7048 Oh lord... Aunor pretty much just IS Guardian John Wick isn't she.
@@steelgriffin7716 yes, i hope we get to meet her one day but i have a feeling she'll probably just be a lore only character like shin. kinda made it hard for the drifter/vanguard choice when it wasn't the vanguard and was more siding with a woman we haven't met or a very charismatic guy
Why do I have this sinking feeling that, Savathun in all her cunning and foresight, left the memories of Neomuna in Osiris on purpose for the sake of him leading us to Neomuna, discovering how to wield Strand much akin to how we learned to use psychic energy through the trail of the glaive. She probably wants Osiris to get access to Strand because he is the most knowledgeable of how the universe works, in terms of time-space manipulation AND he was the most proficient user of the light, so learning the functionality and affordances of Strand would be a cakewalk for him. It doesn't seem like something Savathun would do to just leave traces behind, especially since she knew he would be saved by at the beginning of her plan AND because the Two Lies Two Truths game proves that she knew he was still alive. It is very suspicious how we have no speak of Savathun or her ghost and how the Lucent Brood have been creeping up since then. Remember, expansions don't just end the season they arrive, they linger for the whole year they come out, and we have yet to get any closure on what Immaru and the potential threat he poses now that Osiris is awake.
The biggest hole in this idea is that Savathun didn't know that Strand was a thing, she can't guide anyone to something if she doesn't even know it exists in the first place.
@@S3Cs4uN8 She may not know exactly what Strand is, but she may know about the Weave that connects all living things. She once said that the power to move worlds will be ours, and we may gain that power from the Weave in the form of Strand. The Eidolon armor and gear also gives us an idea that the existence of the Weave isn't entirely new. Drifter said and Eris saw that when you burn egregore at the ends, it "sings". When it sings, you can see wavelengths and- most importantly- threads. The loretab for Delicate Tomb also makes mention of "hearing without sound", which could also be referencing the Weave due to Strand's wavelength aesthetic. I think the Weave is something that's somewhat common knowledge among more 'esoteric' characters, but it's never been tapped into directly as a source of power. Maybe THAT'S what could help this theory work. Savathun left those clues for Osiris to discover a new way to tap into the Weave, which is how we discover Strand.
I could see the Hidden agent being set to monitor and follow him having a secondary objective.
Osiris has one life left to live, and Ikora's afraid to lose it. (yes I did adapt her line about herself from the Red War) Consider. On one side, He's still a possible security risk. Between his previous possession by Savvy, and his revival by the power of Lipton Neztea(Yes I stole that from a twitter post shut up it's funny), he could indeed by a walking time bomb.
On the other, Osiris is clearly damaged. Emotionally compromised by everything that's happened to him, between losing Sagira and his light, to being used against his closest friends and favorite student... The man has been through some *shit* and it has effected him deeply. It's clear he desperately wants to maintain his relevance, too. He wants to help, to use that incredible mind and centuries of experience that honestly kinda justify his arrogance. And really it's all he has left. He's not the formidable warrior-Warlock he once was anymore with Sagira gone.
That brings me to another thought. I really really hope the story of Lightfall involves us figuring out Strand first, on our own, even if the conversations are just between us and Ghost about it... But I have a second demand. It's cheap, it's dumb, it's... Cheesy. But the SECOND Guardian to learn and master Strand better fucking be Osiris.
(Also don't make him a Cloudstrider(?). Please no, My heart and Saint couldn't take it.)
Oh RIGHT. That secondary objective. Protecting Osiris from others, and possibly more importantly, Himself. What I worry about the most with Osiris is not him being a vector for attack again, it's him getting hurt or killed because he bit off more than he can chew.
I SHOULD COMMENT I hadn't finished the video before hammering this out and feel rather... pants down with Aunor all but confirming my suspicion on her actual mission.
yeah totally but you dont send a bodyguard to skulk from afar. ikora one should of sent someone he trusted and 2 had them actually talk to osiris like a adult. somebody like ana or shiro could of worked
I trust Osiris, but I don't trust Osiris is untainted. Mara mentions how a Scorn is seemingly being used by the Witness as a living archive of memories/information and calls the concept troubling. I think much that same thing is going to happen with Osiris.
Saint is the sweetest little muffin how can you hurt him like this Ikora 😭
I like to call it "Dark Rum in a Tea Cup."
Because nomatter what, you can't Distill Tea, and Rum fits Pirates better than bloody Tea!
It fascinates me how the human mind even in an exo body can still show the same love and emotion as there old human form
Well, the entirety of an Exo's mind is human. And Clovis did everything he could to make sure that Exos were basically just mechanical humans at the end of the day. Otherwise if he didn't their brains bricked up and they were reduced to chatbot AI levels of humanness. So, despite the mechanical body, Exos are capable of every little nuance a human could have.
There was a quote I heard and it sings true here. "the man that goes into hell is not the same one that comes out." osiris has been through hell and he surely has changed but he is desperately trying to put his experience in that hell to good use despite everyone holding him at arms length.
Aunor is pretty much a "lawful good" character in Destiny.
By the book - mostly - and fully committed to what she sees as law and order.
I think it might be two things. Diligence and worry for Osiris. Osiris likes to run off and make risks to try and make change instead of seeking help. His adventure into the Infinite Forest almost caused his own death. Going off alone to investigate the court of Oryx and rumors of Crow cost him the trust of his closest allies, the death of his ghost, and his free will.
Then there is the fact drinking the essence of Nezerak well having a good effect of waking him from his coma could also have negative effects. Like making him a target for the Witness' manipulations or corruption.
Ikora is discounting on Osiris all her frustration and anger for falling in Savathun trick, that was not her fault, everyone was deceived. But Ikora in my opinion is crossing a line that can affect her relation with Osiris, Saint an maybe others... Her actions is really affecting Osiris mentally and emotionally, shes not trying to be cautious or sus about him, shes just kind like "fighting" back
Lol no, If she didnt have hidden watching him incase Savathun did leave some shit in him everyone would be like, " Why the fuk you not doing anything or taking precautions Ikora?" lol Its quite literally her job man. Just like the Mara Sov has agents that do just that but I guess its ok for the Awoken queen to spy on folks or keep an eye on others lol
Hell the queen has a whole elaborate kill plan for our asses alos lol.
....being cautions surrounding someone who literally controlled by a hive GOD that was so cunning she even tricked us into helping her after her rebirth. You act like the visions couldn't be planted as well. It's like you didn't watch the video or play the game. Zavala blamed her & her alone for bit knowing Osiris was possessed. Her being cautious now isn't anything more than due diligence & if she wasn't doing the bare minimum of paying attention to Osris she puts us all in danger again.
I'm on Osiris's side and even I would call Ikora an Idiot for not keeping an eye on him, with the things that have happened to him she needs to ensure he's not a risk to security or himself. he could get so desperate to prove himself he puts himself or others in danger whether he intends it or not. at the very least our character would go after him and if that perma kills us the city is screwed
People forget this isnt the first time she has done similar. Even Zavala right before Osiris went on that mission told Osiris he dont care about prophecies he will only send help if he has proof. Like wow. So he kept sending audio messages and Zavala never sent help. Ikora with her spies has to have known. Osiris has spent his life helping humanity and his prophecies were all true yet they want him to go out and find proof. I dont feel its deserved as had they have listened to begin with he may not have ended up this way. They always showed lack of trust. Zavala put a call out for missing guardians Osiris answered it and tried to warn him more was going on and Eramis was a distraction.
I love the content of the channel. I'm only 2 years playing destiny, so find everything fascinating. Thanks for all the hard work.
I have to say I love Osiris..
Merry Christmas everyone, keep safe and all good things for 2023. 🌟
To see annors compassion come through is a nice change. You kind of got that in a veiled way during the drifter vr vanguard event back in the day so it's just nice seeing the less shown sides of characters
Are you telling me they went with nezcafe when we could just call it a Nezpresso?
I would not call Aunor an assassin. If anything, She is an Inquisitor. One in service to the "Church" and will of her "God" The light and the Traveler
At least Aunor captured and transported Guardains to the City to be treated from being corrupted by the Witness’ whispers. Unlike Shin Malphur, who’s been going around killing Guardians corrupted by the Witness tat could’ve been treated and saved. Guardians can be corrupted and turn against other Guardians through Hive magic, or the Witness’ influence.
@@garrettviewegh677 That I will grant. But I’m not optimistic about her chances of “saving” most of them.
Your thumbnail made Osiris look like one of those meme edits where people remove the nose and just glue the rest back together.
I am loving the arc of Osiris' journey. From a character mentioned in lore beats in the Grimore online, to a quick "Thanks guardian" at the end of Curse, to showing up and being a voice in everyones' ear for over a year that turned out to be a huge trick and ANOTHER character we had read about in the Grimore and lore Savathun in a meat suit, to now being a shell (no pun intended) of his former self but possessing the one thing that makes him a bigger threat to the Witness in all these years; knowledge. Knowledge of a place and a power not mentioned except in some hand wave lore bits. Knowledge of a power that could rival the Witness' Fleet (I'm still convinced what we see in that shot of the Lightfall reveal is a Cloud Strider shot impacting and damaging a Pyramid Ship.
Anor is there to protect Osiris; not just from himself; but from possible assassination, or worse, corruption, by the Witness' forces. We need what he knows, now more than ever. I am 99% sure we have her shell but what if Sageria shows up as some resurrected "Darkness Ghost" to try and sway him? What if that's how we make contact with Strand? He somehow is able to pull her back from the Dark and together they can use Strand and teach us how?
Aunor is not an assassin but an Inquisitor seemingly inspired by 40k Inquisitors and Judge Dredd.
Except like, really reasonable. The time she argued with Shin was because Shin was planning on executing a bunch of corrupted Guardians and Aunor insisted they be brought in alive. She's been heavily mischaracterised as some kind of zealot by the community.
Any argument about Savathun and her trickery seems moot though. Its just as likely she implanted those visions to deliberately mislead us as it is they're actually left over memories and she knew her sheer reputation would mislead us all the same. The protocol should be trust but verify, not outright distrust. Ikora is meant to be smarter than that, it bothers me that she's still so needlessly conniving after all these years. Eris probably has some spell that could verify his visions or something idk
Her loss of trust in him is sad when you remember how happy she was when if first came back from the infinite forest he was her mentor.
That drink should be called "Nez-Espresso" cause it was strong enough to wake up a coma patient.
You gotta remember Savathun didn't have the light when she had Osiris, so neomuna was likely gleaned not planted. Likely, she was seeking another power to defeat the darkness as she didn't know she would acquire the light. I think they're going to let her get resurrected trying to get answers but ultimately she'll be a strained ally.
I can only imagine when he finally has a long chat with Crow, that things are going to be very intense. Savathun very much felt for crow, in her own way. Was invested in the warmth and light (hah) his interactions with the guardian and with Savathun inspired inside herself.
If he's having flashbacks like this one, oh boy is he in for a time... And crow... well... yeah.
I really do wonder if Osiris has just enough remnants of Savathun to be able to use the light from Savathuns ghost if they ever meet.
I doubt it, he has her memories but not her power
I mean. Shin apparently used Jaren Ward's Ghost and there was no previous light there
I'm more of a fan of "Fynch becomes Osiris' ghost" as an idea, however
@@AvaR0se-08 well ghosts can choose other people, but there are ways to make sure a guardian can never have light ever again, such as Thorn and its bullets eating it so theyre nothing but a husk.
I'm really not sure where Osiris lies, from being possessed by someone that was a host to a darkness parasite, having his ghost die, in a coma for so long, and drinking physical darkness energy, is there really any light left to use?
My roomate and I have brunch every tuesday, and this was the *very first* thing I brought up as soon as that cutscene was released. I think that would be super sick
@@AvaR0se-08 Fynch really needs to be in a seasonal story, love the little dude.
I do think it's a vision given by Savathun on purpose,
but we have to remember that Savathun wants to protect the Traveler as well.
If she lost against the god slayer (which she did),
she might have had a contingency plan because presumably something important in in Neomoona.
If Savathun's Ghost, Immaru, is still active, is she really gone? 🤷🏾♂️
@@sivan3125 no, that’s the point, she can’t come back at this time
@@sivan3125 Yes & No.
Inmaru has to either be near her body, or have it entirely destroyed to resurrect her.
And currently The Hidden have it, so he can't approach/destroy it easily.
byf throwing shade at clovis at every possible time is godamn hilarious
12:34 that acolyte knock the daylights out of you. Smacked you down them stairs
Gosh, as far as unseen-in-game characters go, Aunor has got to be my favourite. I cannot wait to either see her in the game or on a destiny animated tv show. Anyone who knows the lore knows that Aunor is badass.
i fucking swear the person who invented the "Nezcafé" term deserves heaven
One thing I don't get is why we don't just go check, if it's a trap our character would kill anything anyway
I wouldn't trust him either. He woke up from being possesed by a hive god by drinking a cup of tea made from a disciple of the witness. If that isn't a reason to be hesitant I don't know what it is
That “tea” wasn’t made from Nezarec. It was made from Darkness energy. I don’t know why everyone is insisting that Bungie wrote off Nezarec like that when they clearly didn’t.
@@H240909 🤓☝️
@@elgermin519 ?
I think Osiris might either wanna go through the augmentation like the cloud striders, or have his mind transferred to an exo
i feel so bad for osiris, he had so much and lost it all and now no one trusts him anymore and see him as a joke
Been watching you since I was in 7th grade bro and I never got to tell you you’ve got a golden voice bro 🙌🏾
I hope there's a gap between this season and lightfall where osiris can get a holiday with saint, and come back focused and calm, instead of desperately trying to gain trust, while appearing more suspicious to everyone else in the pursuit of trust
No
Considering they poured him a nice piping hot cup of darkness and he’s just awake from that with no repercussions, I would probably have trust issues to.
I always brace myself when Byf says "But First", since many other RUclipsrs do front-loaded ads. "But first, we need to not look at Osiris, but at today's sponsor, Hello Fresh"
Hey Byf, don't know if you or your mods will see this but, have you consider doing a full recap of all the story of Destiny but including everything that has happened since, shadowkeep or the last time you did a Destiny story vid?
Considering that next year is technically the beginning of the End and the showdown with The Witness, i think it would be a good idea to bring an etire revamp (3.0 reference there) or your previous Destiny story vids, combine them into one full mega vid but with everything that has happened since Witch Queen and all the events of this year (Risen, Haunted and now Seraph)
to be fair, Osiris never really sounded sane before he was possessed by Savathun. So I feel for Ikora.
I wonder if Savathun meant to have osiris messed up so badly it took some very specific primeval darkness to fix him.
Plans within plans can only go so far but savathuns plans are on another level
Nice cataclysmic you rock at the end of the gameplay there, looks like a normally solar Titan playing as an arc Titan for bounties😂
Anyone else wish bungie didn’t reveal the Neptune city to us so that we could be more skeptical of Osiris on whether he’s being truthful or not
I can imagine a plot line in which Osiris is pushed even farther to outsider status than he ever had, gets Strand, and becomes sort of a third party in this war of Light and Dark. A lot of his recent dialog reminds me of Rhulk and the Witness. There's doubt, pain, loss, self loathing and anger that was never there when he was a banished Guardian. All his friends have abanded him, and he's lost the source of his power and usefulness. All he has left is Saint. We don't know the full extent of what subtle workings that distilled darkness would do to him. He may not be mind controlled by Nezarec, but he could be the smallest bit tainted or corrupted by the radiation like effects of the Darkness.
Sure, he's going to have Strand eventually, obvious.
But what will that look like? Will he just be a Drifter, Eris Morn, or countless Europan visiting guardian, a completely accepted Guardian who seems comfortable using the darkness and goes back to business as usual? Unlikely. Could he be a human analog to Eramis, feeling hurt and betrayed by people who just aren't willing to do what's necessary for the survival of the species? Could he join Neomuna and attempt to bridge the two worlds, or lash out at them for some combination of cowardice and withholding support at a time when the Earth, and he personally, needed help? Could he become a new Mara Sov, a being of dark and light, using predictions and Prophecy to bring destruction to his enemies no matter the unseen consequences? A new Savathun, working towards his own less clear endgame? Or could he become another Clovis Bray, an arragant intelligence that grows frustrated dealing with the feelings of lesser humanity that is unable or unwilling to understand the vast and interconnected understanding he brings? All these, or something comparable, seem more likely to me.
I feel the one that can best help council and maybe guide Osiris in this new, and vulnerable, part of his long (last) life, is Eris. She suffered trauma and great loss from the Hive, survived, gained the City’s trust with her knowledge of the Hive, Taken, and later the Darkness itself, had gone through a vulnerable time where she couldn’t trust herself (suffering from the Witness’ corruption through the Darkness), gained new Allie’s to trust (the Dark Vanguard) and even has found a new role to play in her last life: a witch of the Dark Vanguard, helping us to unravel the veil hiding the Witness’ intentions. She’s been though Osiris’ experience before (albeit, without the possession), and would be the best person to help him. She even played the role of therapist, helping others accept, put their nightmares to rest after purifying them into memories, just as she moved past her nightmares. She could even teach Osiris how to fight and survive without the Light.
Osiris: pretends to not notice using illusion magic.
Only read the title, but good on Ikora, that is a fair response
I wonder if Osiris could learn to channel darkness, maybe he will lear Strand with us, who knows, but it is a shame seeing him in this state, feeling powerless.
"Nez-cafe"
Bruh 💀
I want that merch Bungie, I NEED that merch. Gimme a mug, now!
The conversation ikora and saint had, i really wish we would get cutscenes of moments like this.
I feel like this distrust of Osiris is buildup to him being our mentor while discovering strand. If I’m not mistaken, people usually discover and develop darkness powers when they’ve been denied something they really want, or rejected, or after a traumatic event. And I feel like after losing Sagira and his light, being possessed by Savathun, and then coming back just to be chaperoned by Ikora and her hidden for “security”, will sort of push him towards the discovery of something, anything he could use to try and help the last city, and prove that he’s still useful. And I think that could be strand. Idk how we’ll get to Neptune, Idk if we’ll start discovering the beginnings of strand at the end of this season or whenever we get to Neptune, but I really think it’s important to pay attention to Osiris in this time before lightfall. Could be something, could be nothing, but I think there might be something here
Ikoras doing what NEEDS to be done:
Keep all avenues of attack from within covered. The hidden are basically Guardian FBI. We might be HELLA suspecful of such espionage, but god knows when we WERENT using it, the lack of it was exploited hard.
Ikoras not doing this oit of distrust, shes making certain.
I mean after the whole Witch Queen fiasco and then drinking Nezarec's wake up juice it's best to be a little cautious but not to the point of paranoia
I truly think he's got a lot to teach us in the upcoming events of Lightfall and in the next Destiny's saga
kleep up the good work
-0i love playing your storys while i play
Nice that the ol' SCHNELL building gets a shout out 😆
I would entirely understand having him followed. Osiris would completely understand this too.
Exactly! He taught Ikora & definitely would never expect special treatment & definitely not under the current circumstances.
@@rensins08 unfortunately while he may understand why, itd hurt me too if someone that was close started to be more cautious and distant towards me for something outside my control
I would be wary of his visions too. After all, he was possessed by the Hive God of trickery and cunning. Still, I feel bad for him. He's been through... a lot? Yeah, he's been through a lot.
The lore is so good this season Osiris’s pain and frustration is palpable and the written lore is so eloquently written
Ikora is suspicious of the revived Osiris because of his new darkness powers since he no longer has a ghost to keep him from becoming evil but he also no has strand before us
i'd never forgive Bungie to give us IMPORTANT story beats this way.
Give us story in-game ... i want to SEE them arguing ... i don't wanna read about it. Because i don't.
And that is one of the foundation of the ''we're tired of one 2-minutes cinematic per season''
This shoulf have been as inportant to see as the interaction between Ana and Elsie this week.
Proof that it doesn't have to be all cinematic. i alwaqys feel like i'm missing something.
There, i said it.
Gotta love that Nezquick
The common thread of doubt and guilt are definitely themes in the season narrative!
I have this feeling the nezarac tea is going to prove to be a mistake. Like maybe Osiris is himself now but because he consumed some of nezarac maybe his body will become a vessel if someone decides to resurrect nezarac.
I'm so GLAD Bungie didn't take the route of "oh, Osiris is back and he told of us of something in Neptune! Let's begin working on it, Guardian" after the drinked a DARKNESS tea. I'm really enjoying how things are developing with him, with we still being skeptical about him and not taking his "visions" as possiblities already.
Excited for new lore on Nefele Stronghold now that it was mentioned in the Heist on Mars
Nezcaffe? I thought we agreed on Nezquick
Loled at the Nezcafe at Myelin. Loled at the Nezcafe at Byf.
Osiris is a good bean, I feel bad for him, he loses his ghost, gets posessed by the witch queen, and is now distrusted by everyone.
He needs a warm blanket and a cup of hot cocoa.
Wait did Aunor kill shin maulphir?
its so crazy if you read the prophecies i think they do foretell some of the major story beats
does seem reasonable to be cautious given how recent his recovery is and us not knowing the exact effects the possession may have lingering even after savathun's death
What I think is that they won’t listen to him and then calus attacks the last city destroying or making the trailer leave earth.
I want to see Aunor going full John Wick in a cutscene or something...
wow, that's so sad. Good video
As I mentioned in my write up I think Ikora not trusting Osiris is ridiculous. Time after time he has not only put the hard work in for humanity but predicted so many Prophecies and each time the Vanguard asks for proof. It's quite disheartening. Ikora problem is she failed him by not recognizing it wasnt him. He has been through a terrible ordeal one that may not have happened if Zavala didn't also demand proof before he would send help. Osiris can absolutely be trusted no matter the Nezarec stuff. He clearly has a strong will power likely unmatched by most
Did the essence of nezerac just give Osiris consciousness? Or did it manifest any sort of renewed power in him? Like immortality, or is he still mortal? I forget if that’s a light exclusive property. Sorry if that’s a weird question, I’m just curious about Osiris’s current state.
I don’t think bungie even knows
I think he could possibly be sustained by Darkness, in the same way the Light does. Maybe. Plus, Osiris did have consciousness, he was just trapped in his own mind and unable to wake up. (review the trials ship or sparrow from Haunted to see what I mean).
I have a feeling Nezarech is within his mind which would explain how Osiris wakes up after the tea. He may seem more Osiris than before but definitely still sus AF.
Setting aside whether or not Osiris can be trusted. If he dies he's dead, all the way dead, yeah you put a guard on him.
The NezCafe is a brilliant name, I approve
Well, thats some surprises here about our Praxic Warlock
Hey @My name is Bys, are you going to comment on the Wrathborn members involved in the various wars the Hive has had against other species?
Ikora in the thumbnail: "I know you took a cookie from the cookie jar." Osiris in the thumbnail: "Shit!"
Thanks man!
If Ikora would have watched the Lightfall trailer she would have realized that Osiris isn't lying. smh
I've always really liked Osiris and I've felt bad for what's happened to him. I think he's entirely trustworthy because despite everything that's happened to him, he immediately jumped right back into what he's used to doing no questions asked. And Saint of all people should know whether or not his partner is acting off for any reason.
I get the whole bird/phoenix motif is his thing, but you think he would try a little harder to disguise himself and not wear something so related to himself.
Also Aunor sounds less like some kind of hidden spy/agent and more like an Imperial Inquisitor.
I hope when we find Neoluna we get a video of Osiris bragging I told you so.