Just a note... people saying this is not a "good gameplay" for 2024... well, it's an iGPU... integrated graphics... NO dGPU, 80-100W total package draw (CPU+GPU) and a 8c/16t for a better upgrade path. I myself stated in the conclusion that the 8700G needs to come down $50 IMO, but purely performance wise? APUs had an ENORMOUS step up with this series!
It's a shame about the reduced cache which hampers FPS with discrete GPUs as the upgrade path makes less sense in that case (it's quite a big loss compared to say the 7700). HWU covered other options which cost the same but give far better gaming performance. Strix point is going to ramp up all of these results even higher later in the year so I'll look forward to your coverage of that 😊
Think of it as a 5800x and an RX 6500. Also when you are done and ready to buy that 7950x3d and 4090 you can put the 8700G into your HTPC where it will be GREAT! I bought a 5700G in jan 2022. Cheapest 8-core available and I wanted to be a part of history (first 60 fps 1080p APU). I bought a 3070 TI for the same system! Now the 8700G is making history as a 90 fps 1080p APU - I'm glad that SOMEBODY understands what a big deal these iGPUs are!!! Get the best of both worlds with an AMD+NVidia system!!
@@user-cx5jj2yv3p yes, Only Hardware Unboxed stated its totally pointless buy of this APUs because they costs alot and they give so much less then normal cpu +discrete gpu !! basically now when you see you can get r5 7500f+arc 580 both new for same money on am5 platform but performance will be way way better or if wanted r5 5600+rx 6700xt
AMD has launched a good mobile APU, the most efficient APU for light portable game consoles and the first alternative to Apple Silicon's M2 Pro and M3. One of the best options to actually buy on x86 architecture. Not the joke that Meteor Lake represents if you compare the 40 years x86 development of cpus over the 3rd iteration on a custom ARM System on a Chip (Apples haas used intel, amd, ibm, risc, motorola and many custom chips over the years also). But is AMD's fault to launch a power hungry beast instead of the first APu in years capable of running without fans on a desktop or with only 2 fans (psu and the apu one) at max. Very welcome to see 260W capable silicon, but any 5500 + rx 6600 is faster and cheaper, and 5600G/5700G sare twice more efficient at stock settings... the unbalance between cpu and gpu is laughable when you realize is just little more than 5700 (the G without gpu) + rx 6400 refresh on 4nm... binning silicon is a thing but marketing overhype to justify expensive price... is cheaper than a mac mini, but it's not better overall, it trades blows sometimes but not the best apu on earth at all, better sometimes, maybe... it's just a seemengly desperate try to sell silicon not capable of Z1 Extreme and 7x4x mobile models, instead of a humble and honest desktop new line-up...
Hope you enjoy this MASSIVE video testing the Radeon 780M (integrated graphics from the R7 8700G). This is a truly impressive performance for integrated graphics
64 bit memory bus is always impressive. And 110% performance of an AMD Ryzen Z1 Extrem at 1000% power rating is truly MASSIVE. I would really like to have an M2 or M3 MAC with such ability to be overclocked on a desktop.
@@AncientGameplays 4.05 GHz arm 9 of the Apple M3 is like Zen 4 at 5.7 GHz (or 5.1 GHz with x3D cache) or Intel 7 Some Lake and Some Cove at 6GHz. The 5.1 Ghz of Z1 Extreme is really impressive on the 9W to 45W in single thread and multithread (once you make room for power), the 5.3 GHz on PBO/OC and 3.1 Ghz gpu OC at 260W, just ridicoulus, not enough L2 cache, L3 cache and no x3D cache... even 8600G is -11% FPS only for -25% cores.... (or +10% FPS upgrade for +33% more cores). They are streching it to Intel 7 14th gen levels if not wasting much more electricity... AMD's ryzen APU's on Zen1, Zen2 to Zen3 on Vega had exactly the same limit of gpu being limited by cpu clock, cache, core, tdp heat budet, memory... to the level than Vega 8 or Vega 12 may perfrom like Vega 6 or Vega 8 with Zen+1 gen cpu... they should launch proper APU with 36CU (Ps5, rx6700 or 6750gre 10Gb like) or with 72 (or 60 at least) 16GB and 256 bit memory bus, 128 minimum with x3d infinity cache... on the 100 to 200W range... they do on Server Epyc. And Blam M3 Max, M3 ultra to the bin of history or to lower prices... it's time you put 4 dimms of ram and goes faster on home PC...
Performance is impressive, but price and reduced cashe and pcie lines for GPU makes it a bad choice for cost per frame (Ryzen 3600,5500,5600 + Rx 6600 costs cheaper and has a double performance).
why would i buy expensive apu at all then?? why not cpu for 200 euro such as r5n 7500f and much better gpu then buying 8700G for 400 euro and then buying again some gpu!? it is much more money and you pay double then @@adrianmesina7353
@@Mr11ESSE111 I believe the point is the focus on the 780M iGPU. This chip is leaps and bounds better than any other iGPU out right now. Where this really shines is in laptops in the sub $700 range. Or miniPC/multimedia PCs, and even handhelds. Not everything needs to be focused on full case desktop PCs.
but why would you sincerely want that? That's for charts videos, in here we have gameplays. As the charts wouldn't do much as we have big amount of FSR and FG games@@hrayz
you're not seeing why the recap would be useless though, as we're testing many different settings including FG, which would make the results "useless". This is for people to see the performance on the game they play or want to play@@hrayz
I can't believe how much time you've put into this. One thing I like about your benchmarks is the range of video game genres that you test. There's one for every taste. Great job.
@@AncientGameplays I wonder how much time you spend in coding and re-encoding video footage. Does AV1 encoder on your Radeon 7000 sereis card get used? Or gpu accelerated encoding of x264 or x265? please tell me your workstation is all amd and not Zen3 rdna2 totally capable still for video edition?
I don't even know what you're referring to at all. I always record with HEVC for the solo purpose that my editing software doesn't handle AV1 that well (for now), but always with decently high video bitrate. As for my main rig (editing one), it has been AMD+AMD for years, sometimes I edit with the NVIDIA cards when I am testing them, but overall, it is about the same@@InternetListener
@@AncientGameplays it would be nice to use an intel dual core G6900 cpu with a INtel Arc a380 gpu to edit AMD content if AV1... or a 5500 and a rx6600, if gpu accelerated encoding, not much of a difference... effects and cpu single threaded sound etc. could be a problem... but any old pc with a rx6400 can be used to edit video hevc (x264 or x265)...
@@Mr11ESSE111 calm down lol, its apu, what do you expect from it? To run medium or higher? Its good option for those that want to have something to play while waiting for gpu, but like fabio said, price need to be a bit lower and if u expect apu to play latest games well, u need to lower ur expectations
@@pasha715 waiting for gpu!?from where??from other Galaxy so in meantime they will spend fortune while they wait on cpu/apu which will cripled discrete gpu performance for 10-15% in compare to normal cpu with more cache!?8700g basically compete with 5800x which are 40% cheaper
@@AncientGameplaysWell your benchmarks are just as valuable as HUBs are. Love both channels. And also the mindset on always trying to improve, no matter how good you are is what will "elevate" you even further. As we artits say, we are students our whole life. So keep up the great work and always try to be better, brother! Peace and love!
The 8700G is similar to a Playstation 4. The PS4 used a lot of 1080P with upscaling to hit either 30 or 60FPS in games. A lot of these games are even more demanding than PS4 games.
At least similar to PS4 Pro and up to PS5 like on the paper, but with a 64bit memory bus of DDR5 instead of the 128 unified 8GB of GDDR5, 51GB/s vs 176 GB/s on PS4, 218 Gb/a on PS4 Pro and 448Gb/s on PS5. If Sony could make portable PS4/Pro with custom motherboard and upgraded PS4 operative system we will end with a pocket size PS4/Pro Ps5 lite when optimized, but shared memory bus of 64 bit is a no go... is like homage to Nvidia's 1030 ddr4
@@Mr11ESSE111 8700G were destined to be garbage. Bear in mind the difference. But by launching this product they don't lose the oportunity of making $3.000.000 per sqare meter of silicon waffer of chips... is cheaper than any Intel chip ended in 900. you won't find how good they actually are to build minipc with cheapest components on the market, neither than ddr5 5200 oem recommended support in fact is a detuned (i guess virtually with no hardware or microcode real limitation) of the ddr5 5600 and LPddr5 7500 it was intended for as Phoenix Zen 4 chip... you can build a sub 100W or I guess below 75W with ssd, 16gb of jedec ram, one fan ... not a 22W MAc mini, but fully upgradable and serviceable... for a fraction of the cost...is better than other AM5 chips except in perfromance... and also can't compete with 7500F, 7800x3d or 7950x for cpu intensive tasks, only save enrgy to EPYC server levels...without paying $15000 for a pro setup...very difficult to actually explain what is actually good and waht is not without compromising AMD other lineup, lack of competiotion against Nvidia and Intel or so far from Apple closed but better hardware... Zen 3 5500 + rx 6400 is faster, better cheaper and can be tuned to similar stock TDP (not lower to ZEn4 Phoenix levels) or rx6000 (if playing is a thing and you want double the FPS). Is very good deal for 2024 playing in corerct settings, and emulators....most bang for the watt for the buck... better than obsolete hw as you mention, but 8600G and 8700G are almost there with a A620 mb cheapest ram and less power... not better FPS or perfromance...but it makes for 1 fan PC entry level almost PS4 gaming 10 years later...
@@Mr11ESSE111 I think the 8700g is a good choice for someone that cant afford a gpu atm and needs a temporary solution. I wouldnt mind gaming like this for a few months or a year if it ment skipping this awful generation of gpus.
Wow, one of the few that didn't jump on the "budget GPUs are dead !!?!" hype train and instead went right to business and tested the performance to show consumers what they're actually getting instead of sweet words. What are even testers nowadays, the scene is full of clickbait at the moment and people getting scammed by biased and not complete reviews. Keep on going!
You do such a great Job Fabio, and thanks for covering the Ryzen 7 8000 series chips, because you show use stuff that other youtubers do not take the time to show us, and I appreciate your hard work very much keep up the Great work that you do!!!
Hey brother. I saw you got a spot on Moores Law is dead. So far I've made it through about half the podcast and I'm going to listen to the other half on my walk. Way to go man! Keep grinding. You have a good thing going.
@@AncientGameplayshey really appreciate you’re time and effort and trust me carnal it doesn’t go unnoticed, I really enjoy your content and it’s always nice to see you do reviews and how products work !
I got one of the mini pcs out that has the 7840HS running the same 780M gpu and I have to say that I am extremely pleased with it. I am an old dude and don't need 60fps all the time in rpgs and other single player games. I am loving this setup and mine is only a 54W part, but nearly the same as the 8700G.
@@samserious1337 260W when properly overclocked is not exactly waste but an opportunnity for Nobel Price of Physics like the 8 pcore +24 ecores 370W INtel 7 12909K (aka 14900KS) at 6.2 GHZ, not easy turning a semiconductor in a Joule's law heater resistance... I wonder if put in the vaccum they could make light bulbs and vacuum tube diode and triode valves out of transistor silicon filapements. Going back to Edison vs Tesla and entering a loop in time... I hope someone puts a heat pump on silicon ( not the peltier cells approach but why not, 500W AMD APU to beat an rx 6500XT)
not on the CPU side. You're considering most the iGPU one. TO work at 45-54w the CPU (part that consumes the most) will be always downclocked and so will the iGPU
@@AncientGameplays according to Performance vs Power curve that is not a problem at all, but an argument to support samserious opinion on optimal range... all Phoenix 7x4x, Z1 and 8x00G apus can boost to the same clocks range... RTX 4090 300W to 600W is a waste of energy vs the performance of improvement you get
@@AncientGameplays Well, I only can speak for the Z1 Extreme in the Ally. In most games there are very little gains above 35W, so I would assume 54W is even enough for the desktop chip with higher frequency RAM. Do you have any TDP settings in the BIOS? Otherwise you could use Universal-x86-Tuning-Utility and test 3-5 Games with 30W, 45W and 54W for example. Would love to see it!
I know this is not high end gaming but damn, we've come a long way. Back in the day, when integrated gpus came in the motherboard, not the cpu, you couldn't run fck all with it. they were useless. A 2005 igpu performed like a 1996 GPU. and that was a massive gap that made them useless for anything but "retro gaming". Nowadays you can run basically anything on an Igpu, even if you have to compromise somewhat. The "year gap" in performance remains the same, more or less, but now that doesn't matter much because 10 year old gpus are still usable. That's pretty cool.
1 hour Video , Like is not Enough. I support, and used AMD products since around 7 years , because I like to support the competitions, and I which Intel also to become better with time , all that will be helpful for the consumers at the end.
Thanks for your dedication. Not bad APU but still behind the performance of a dedicated GPU+CPU combo at about same price or lower. And at 110W a decent cooler is a must.
The normal power is around 65-80W, the price needs to come down at least $50 for sure, but remember the lower end GPU will also draw more power, needing a better PSU as well. And 110W isn't really something you need a massive cooler to dissipate as the die is bigger
@@AncientGameplays I saw on YT a 4060LP with i5 13400F on a 250W PSU for a SFF build (not that the price of that combo would compete with the price of 8700G but probably the PSU should not be an issue). Still, would be interesting to see the difference in performance between an all stock 8700G (65-80W) and the one with overclocked IGPU (110W).
rx 6400 comes with its own cooler with heatpipes fans and dedicated GDDR6 vram at a 44W TDP, you won't need any other cooler for the cpu than the included one with 5500 or 5600x or even 7500F + rx6500xt may run faster, cheaper and cooler... the 45W detuned or eco mode for the desktop is the way to go, and the 8600G is almost as fast and can also be underTDPed and be the amazing silent, cool, cheap enough, APU we can buy now instead of dreaming about... and retire any old PC under 6 cores, and under RTX 1060/rx 580 etc....bye bye old PCs, bye bye heat and electric bills, PS4 and older game consoles to rest, with proper emulation capabilities and half the power TDP with any PSU you may already have or the cheapest or free you get with the cheapest ATX included (make sure PFC an 80% certified)... but AMD sales man know how to make very good product appalingly unappeling...
@@vladimirnovakovic3495 best 4060 combo you can get FPS/(W·money) is laptop 12500H (4 pcore+ 8 ecores) and 4060 for 750€ (in $ can be found cheaper). full laptop under 170W, is like SteamDeck OR Z1 game console on steroids and 14" display.
That was amazing ! (This confirmed what I thought., except for Cyberpunk 2077 , this CPU is sufficient for my needs. Looks like a summer 2024 buy, for me>) Excellent work AG. Subscribed.
Thank you. You did a great work here. The only same game i played like you was LoL, but I was getting around 250fps on my 7840HS APU, which is basically the same cpu. And my RAM is just standard 5600 version (2x16Gb).
There not problem with games. There a problem with cost. APU at Ryzen 2000-5000 series has a strong point - waiting without videocard for end of mining boom. But now this gone - there is a plenty of videocards on sale. Other point of APU - using for menial task without discrete videocard - also gone - we have Ryzen 7000-series with iGPU that not so good but still usable for menial task and this CPU have normal PCIE lines and cash so better for future upgrade. The point for media PC also now charged by Ryzen APU 5000-series on am4 platform - they not so fast but still good and far more cheaper then Ryzen 8000-APU on am5. So older APU compete on this side better.
When AMD said we do not need graphics card they were right about it 5 years ago it was impossible to run AAA games of that time on an integrated graphics now here we are getting 80+FPS on games like Warzone. The future is bright for AMD
Thanks again Fabio for all your hard work, it's always appreciated. I know you don't need me to tell you, but ignore the haters, the "why didn't you test this configuration" people and the "you could just buy this and that and it would be better" people. You are a reviewer so you review a product. This helps buyers make an informed choice and for that I thank you. Keep up the great work; I watch every single video you make because I build a lot of PCs for friends/family/friends of friends and everybody's needs are different. You give me the knowledge and knowledge is power :)
My god. All of these games on this iGPU. Imagine where we will be at in the near future. Great content as always! I am learning what I can from the man himself!
@cobaltxiv4408 You may have misunderstood the context. 8809, in fact, is a great chip if you consider it an "APU." Regardless, we are talking about present to future advancements. I would take it as "Intel did a great job, and continues to do a great job, while others are creeping to catch up." On a side note, I would understand if you compared it to, let's say, an i7-14700K.
Yes its a bit overpriced but its arealy good cpu with decnt 900p medium gaming. It will sell well next year at 190, i have 7800xt so i dont need it but i love igpu i dont know why@@Mr11ESSE111
you understand that 8700g performance are basically cripled on 5800x level maybe few percent better but in some cases its worse too !! this igpu are not on 6600/xt level then like i sayed rx 6400 level if that and rx 6400 are pretty weak gpu in 2024 @@madmaxmel
CPUs are way more profitable than GPUs since 90‰ of these chips is RAM. You might be surprised yhat the 4-core 12 CU part might still cost $209 because the GOU part is very expensive...
CPUs are way more profitable than GPUs since 90‰ of these chips is RAM. You might be surprised yhat the 4-core 12 CU part might still cost $209 because the GOU part is very expensive...
I think the former king was the Ryzen 3400G with the Vega (5700G was just a little bit better from IGPU side.) This IGPU is much stronger. Simply awesome.
Very impressive what the AMD iGPU can do. Id honestly recommend them to people wo are casual gamers on 1080p, dont really care about the latest and greatest games on maximum graphics settings and dont want to spend a lot. My Bro for example he only uses his tired GTX1050 laptop for schoolwork, internet stuff, RUclips, watching Soccer Games, Hockey, UFC and Wrestling. Netflix too obviously 😅 The only games he plays are CSGO, Valorant, League of Legends, Rocket League. Might just build him an ITX PC with this CPU for birthday or christmas.
This channel is becoming seriously good! Good job, very professional! Can i just say how bad is AC Mirage xD OMG this gameplay...enemies are blind and def xD
If i pair 8700g + rtx 4080 super, and play in 2k/4k monitor it will no problem right? If it in 1080p maybe have an some issues in several games , did i right? Sorry i am newbie here😂 You may ask why not go to 7800x3d, the reason is the 8700g had av1 encoder, and i think its good for stream games (light games / mobile games) for while until i can affodr gpu, so yeaaa, wdyt? And here 7800x3d price is rocket to the moon, and then ryzen 9000x3d will coming, so i think the best scenario is using 8700g, then buy graphic cards, and if i 8700g not like what i expected, i will replace to 7800x3d, or upcoming 9000x3d series, do you think i am in wrong way? Please give advice if i wrong, cz i am newbie here, love your content ❤, And one more thing, i hope you tested afmf 2 on 8700g , once again ❤ your content
another excellent video, thanks for this, despite it's Pcie 4.0 x8 gpu allocated lanes and high pricing.. it's overall a fantastic process ever made.. if it comes under reasonable price definitely it is worth enough to be considered
Not so. Most others Ryzen 7000-series also have a IGPU "onboard" and they have full PCIE lines, cash and so on. Of coz their iGPU not so good like in Ryzen 8000-G series but it still usable for menial task and older games.
Absolutely great video showing performance. I would be very, very intested is Escape From Tarkov, because its notoriously not optimized, so to see how this great CPU can perform would be a treat.
When testing this APU I would like to see the "low" or "med" quality preset adjusted to highest textures. Put whatever else down to what is needed for performance, but keep in mind the APU can allocate as much VRAM as you want to give it. Id like to see the image quality improvement and if it does anything to performance.
what about that maginificent 10ghz ram available? someone got 7800mhz g.skill kit to 10400mhz on 8700G, they measured it by osciloscope, but no benchmarks were posted, so kinda sad, but there were 9600mhz benchmarks, so pumping ram with this gpu is insane
I bought a 5700G in jan 2022. Cheapest 8-core available and I wanted to be a part of history (first 60 fps 1080p APU). I bought a 3070 TI for the same system! Now the 8700G is making history as a 90 fps 1080p APU - I'm glad that SONEBODY understands what a big deal these iGPUs are!!! Best of both worlds AMD+NVidia system!!
well, the first 60fps APU was the Ryzen 5 3400G though. 5700G was barely faster than the 3400G iGPU wise (sometimes even slower), but the 8700G made a HUGE bump in both CPU and GPU performance APU wise
It will be interesting to really test it in esports games and like sracraft 2, WWK3 and others. In fact, this is probably the main reason such a processor exists, albeit a mobile one, tucked into a desktop socket! It will be more interesting if you do tests with different ram speeds, as well as with different latency
Its a great solution for a small allround work and gaming pc. Multicore is on cpu is better than the Z1 Extreme but the iGPU is more or less the same. But the fact you Can play demaning games in 1080p and get an enjoyable experience is Wild! :D also great job with the test! :) when they remove the stpm from the desktop bios, hopefully soon, perfomance should increase a tiny bit and be more stable overall.
in cyberpunk it has the same fps then my pc in 2020 on mid settings: it had an r7 3700 cpu and an rx 5500xt gpu also playing with 70-90ish fps in cs2 max setting is what i would say good enaugh on a budget thats mad impressiv, they really did a great job
I bought this APU used for 50€ less than retail price (also saved 40€ on motherboard, 30€ on RAM and 15€ on cpu cooler - all bought used). Enabled PBO, decreased CPU boost limit to 4.9GHz ( and undervolted to CO -30. GPU boost limit increased to max (+200MHz), undervolted to CO -12. 6200MHz RAM (because cheap and low profile). Cooled by Noctua NF-L12S, this thing doesn't hit its 85°C thermal limit in gaming, while staying almost inaudible - and that's before delid, which I will do as soon as I have delid-die mate. Forza Horizon 5 on FullHD/High doesn't drop below 60fps (I will not be using this PC with any 120+Hz capable device) and is actually playable on 4K high with CAS on balanced (50fps+ avg). This is better than what I was getting from i7 4770K + R9 290 on the previous machine (secondary setup). Idle power consumption of the entire machine is 20W, which is less than Ryzen 9 7900 in idle on its own (uncore power consumption of 7x00 Ryzen CPUs is stupidly high). It increases by only 10W while playing 4K video, so no need for active cooling even in as small of a format as SilverStone ML05 is. A while ago I built a similar machine with 3400G (which was the best available APU at the time) and that one was not usable for any kind of gaming.
I've been using a Beelink SER7 miniPC that has the 780m as a multimedia/retro emulator for a month now. I'm thouroughly impressed at the leap in iGPU performance with this chip. If AMD can keep up the pace year over year, rather than every few years, their iGPUs could become insanely competitive at even higher graphic fidelity. I believe we have AMD's work on consoles & handhelds to thank for this honestly.
Lol I got to the point of running any game you showed on an i5 4200u (HD 4400) at almost 30fps (obviously mostly on low graphics), some with FSR or a couple of external resolution settings achieve a solid 45-50 fps. I am seriously rethinking many things.
Extremamente interessante ver a evolução dos graficos integrados, mas infelizmente o valor desse cpu no Brasil tira todo o proposito de ser uma opção de "entrada"! Bela analize como sempre!
@@AncientGameplays Realmente, vc tem razão, mas oq acho triste é um PC de entrada com uma GPU vai ter mais performance e ser até em alguns casos mais barato
sem dúvida, mas em contrapartida terá um socket "morto" em grande parte dos casos e continuará com um CPU mais fraco. Neste caso pode mais tarde trocar o GPU e continuará com um CPU bem decente@@ailtonbrito323
did you overclock the graphics? there's a good amount that can be squeezed out of these for overclock. skatterbencher got the highest overclock i've seen on these igpu's.
Could you imagine the NPU inadvertently cutting Nvidia off from it's exlusivity due to the NPU having machine learning that can be implemented to use DLSS? That would be insane.
Para variar aqui em Portugal não é barato. Se o preço fosse mais acessível, seria uma boa base para entrar numa nova plataforma. O custo / valor, anulam um pouco esse propósito, na minha opinião. Bom vídeo Fábio. Keep up the good work.
Thanks a lot for this video! Any idea how much performance penalty I'd take running these games on my laptop at 28 watts TDP? (It's the 7840u AMD Framework same 780m). I'm impressed that MSFS runs so decently, I hope to play it!
Thanks for your videos!) Can you please let us know if you have any information about the return of anti-lag+? It looks like AMD just forgot about it and don't want to bring it back)
Insane! If it were affordable, I'd keep this as a backup gpu to play older titles in my backlog to save wattage instead of using my dedicated one. Is that even possible on a desktop?
thats a massive test sample great job testing the APU for us, thank you. Yea totally agree the price point of the 8700G is too damn high. SkatterBencher also did the job of finding the best OC for the APU. While it nets 30+% with higher speed memory and manual tuning. but the entry level GPU like the RX6600 curb stomps the 780M whats worse is that both the 8600G and 8300G have fewer PCI-E lanes as some mentioned and both only have like X4 lanes for GPU which is yikes.
60 fps on AC in 1080p. Damn. APUs are going places. Can't wait to see what 2027/28 gen APUs bring to the table. It's been rumored that they will replace the low end GPUs
very surprising. Imagine, for a Living room PC. Playing games with your kids (I see playing with a CPU like this games like lego or others with my kids :D)
Is there any dedicated vram built in yet? Or is it all shared? If thats the case, that would be the next step we see these APUs have built in dedicated vram memory...imagine push in performance
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Just a note... people saying this is not a "good gameplay" for 2024... well, it's an iGPU... integrated graphics... NO dGPU, 80-100W total package draw (CPU+GPU) and a 8c/16t for a better upgrade path. I myself stated in the conclusion that the 8700G needs to come down $50 IMO, but purely performance wise? APUs had an ENORMOUS step up with this series!
If it were cheaper itd be a tempting buy, but from an upgrade path perspective it doesn't support as many pcie lanes, so that is a bit of a concern 😅
It's a shame about the reduced cache which hampers FPS with discrete GPUs as the upgrade path makes less sense in that case (it's quite a big loss compared to say the 7700). HWU covered other options which cost the same but give far better gaming performance.
Strix point is going to ramp up all of these results even higher later in the year so I'll look forward to your coverage of that 😊
Think of it as a 5800x and an RX 6500. Also when you are done and ready to buy that 7950x3d and 4090 you can put the 8700G into your HTPC where it will be GREAT!
I bought a 5700G in jan 2022. Cheapest 8-core available and I wanted to be a part of history (first 60 fps 1080p APU). I bought a 3070 TI for the same system! Now the 8700G is making history as a 90 fps 1080p APU - I'm glad that SOMEBODY understands what a big deal these iGPUs are!!! Get the best of both worlds with an AMD+NVidia system!!
@@user-cx5jj2yv3p yes, Only Hardware Unboxed stated its totally pointless buy of this APUs because they costs alot and they give so much less then normal cpu +discrete gpu !! basically now when you see you can get r5 7500f+arc 580 both new for same money on am5 platform but performance will be way way better or if wanted r5 5600+rx 6700xt
AMD has launched a good mobile APU, the most efficient APU for light portable game consoles and the first alternative to Apple Silicon's M2 Pro and M3. One of the best options to actually buy on x86 architecture. Not the joke that Meteor Lake represents if you compare the 40 years x86 development of cpus over the 3rd iteration on a custom ARM System on a Chip (Apples haas used intel, amd, ibm, risc, motorola and many custom chips over the years also). But is AMD's fault to launch a power hungry beast instead of the first APu in years capable of running without fans on a desktop or with only 2 fans (psu and the apu one) at max. Very welcome to see 260W capable silicon, but any 5500 + rx 6600 is faster and cheaper, and 5600G/5700G sare twice more efficient at stock settings... the unbalance between cpu and gpu is laughable when you realize is just little more than 5700 (the G without gpu) + rx 6400 refresh on 4nm... binning silicon is a thing but marketing overhype to justify expensive price... is cheaper than a mac mini, but it's not better overall, it trades blows sometimes but not the best apu on earth at all, better sometimes, maybe... it's just a seemengly desperate try to sell silicon not capable of Z1 Extreme and 7x4x mobile models, instead of a humble and honest desktop new line-up...
Hope you enjoy this MASSIVE video testing the Radeon 780M (integrated graphics from the R7 8700G). This is a truly impressive performance for integrated graphics
64 bit memory bus is always impressive. And 110% performance of an AMD Ryzen Z1 Extrem at 1000% power rating is truly MASSIVE. I would really like to have an M2 or M3 MAC with such ability to be overclocked on a desktop.
yeah, but remember the Z1 doesn't have such a powerful CPU xD@@InternetListener
@@AncientGameplays 4.05 GHz arm 9 of the Apple M3 is like Zen 4 at 5.7 GHz (or 5.1 GHz with x3D cache) or Intel 7 Some Lake and Some Cove at 6GHz. The 5.1 Ghz of Z1 Extreme is really impressive on the 9W to 45W in single thread and multithread (once you make room for power), the 5.3 GHz on PBO/OC and 3.1 Ghz gpu OC at 260W, just ridicoulus, not enough L2 cache, L3 cache and no x3D cache... even 8600G is -11% FPS only for -25% cores.... (or +10% FPS upgrade for +33% more cores). They are streching it to Intel 7 14th gen levels if not wasting much more electricity...
AMD's ryzen APU's on Zen1, Zen2 to Zen3 on Vega had exactly the same limit of gpu being limited by cpu clock, cache, core, tdp heat budet, memory... to the level than Vega 8 or Vega 12 may perfrom like Vega 6 or Vega 8 with Zen+1 gen cpu... they should launch proper APU with 36CU (Ps5, rx6700 or 6750gre 10Gb like) or with 72 (or 60 at least) 16GB and 256 bit memory bus, 128 minimum with x3d infinity cache... on the 100 to 200W range... they do on Server Epyc. And Blam M3 Max, M3 ultra to the bin of history or to lower prices... it's time you put 4 dimms of ram and goes faster on home PC...
Performance is impressive, but price and reduced cashe and pcie lines for GPU makes it a bad choice for cost per frame (Ryzen 3600,5500,5600 + Rx 6600 costs cheaper and has a double performance).
"AMD Jesus", that's the hell of work 👍😂
It's actually amazing how well the games are running, with or without upscaling
You better then just buy used rx 570 for 40-50$ and it will run better then this igpu even with i5 2500k for 10$
@@Mr11ESSE111yea but you can upgrade that 8700g soon, u can add a better gpu. Its for future proof😊
why would i buy expensive apu at all then?? why not cpu for 200 euro such as r5n 7500f and much better gpu then buying 8700G for 400 euro and then buying again some gpu!? it is much more money and you pay double then @@adrianmesina7353
@@Mr11ESSE111 I believe the point is the focus on the 780M iGPU. This chip is leaps and bounds better than any other iGPU out right now. Where this really shines is in laptops in the sub $700 range. Or miniPC/multimedia PCs, and even handhelds. Not everything needs to be focused on full case desktop PCs.
in laptops are slower then Intel Arc igpu with Meteor lake @@kulilin3104
Such a HUGE sample size of games to test, great job as always Fabio. :)
Thanks, this way I can cover almost every game/scenario people want to know about
Really wished there was a recap chart of the results.
but why would you sincerely want that? That's for charts videos, in here we have gameplays. As the charts wouldn't do much as we have big amount of FSR and FG games@@hrayz
@@AncientGameplays you really cannot see why a recap of an hour long video is useful? Yes, it is a good thing 😁
you're not seeing why the recap would be useless though, as we're testing many different settings including FG, which would make the results "useless". This is for people to see the performance on the game they play or want to play@@hrayz
The 780m graphics are near the R9 290, RX 470, or the GTX 970 and the original GTX Titan. 😮 pretty amazing for the power usage.
1050tiii)
Yup, it's even outperform 1050ti. And.... far more energy efficient@@AHATOJIU4
I can't believe how much time you've put into this. One thing I like about your benchmarks is the range of video game genres that you test. There's one for every taste. Great job.
Thank you, I always try to bring results for almost everyone
@@AncientGameplays I wonder how much time you spend in coding and re-encoding video footage. Does AV1 encoder on your Radeon 7000 sereis card get used? Or gpu accelerated encoding of x264 or x265? please tell me your workstation is all amd and not Zen3 rdna2 totally capable still for video edition?
I don't even know what you're referring to at all. I always record with HEVC for the solo purpose that my editing software doesn't handle AV1 that well (for now), but always with decently high video bitrate. As for my main rig (editing one), it has been AMD+AMD for years, sometimes I edit with the NVIDIA cards when I am testing them, but overall, it is about the same@@InternetListener
@@AncientGameplays it would be nice to use an intel dual core G6900 cpu with a INtel Arc a380 gpu to edit AMD content if AV1... or a 5500 and a rx6600, if gpu accelerated encoding, not much of a difference... effects and cpu single threaded sound etc. could be a problem... but any old pc with a rx6400 can be used to edit video hevc (x264 or x265)...
The future is looking bright
it surely is
o yea because with igpu on gtx 1650 level you will play so "well" in 2024 and in future but only crappy old games and on shitty low seettings
@@Mr11ESSE111 calm down lol, its apu, what do you expect from it? To run medium or higher? Its good option for those that want to have something to play while waiting for gpu, but like fabio said, price need to be a bit lower and if u expect apu to play latest games well, u need to lower ur expectations
@@pasha715fr what's his problem..
@@pasha715 waiting for gpu!?from where??from other Galaxy so in meantime they will spend fortune while they wait on cpu/apu which will cripled discrete gpu performance for 10-15% in compare to normal cpu with more cache!?8700g basically compete with 5800x which are 40% cheaper
Tech Jesus can literally take on Steve from HUB, fenomenal amount of work here!
Nah, I still need to improve and "elevate" myself haha
@@AncientGameplaysWell your benchmarks are just as valuable as HUBs are. Love both channels. And also the mindset on always trying to improve, no matter how good you are is what will "elevate" you even further. As we artits say, we are students our whole life. So keep up the great work and always try to be better, brother! Peace and love!
@@AncientGameplays😂 damn you got jokes too i sub for that.
Sry for not being already a subscriber my lord
The 8700G is similar to a Playstation 4. The PS4 used a lot of 1080P with upscaling to hit either 30 or 60FPS in games. A lot of these games are even more demanding than PS4 games.
most these games are much more demanding than PS4 games, even at medium or low settings, that's a given
At least similar to PS4 Pro and up to PS5 like on the paper, but with a 64bit memory bus of DDR5 instead of the 128 unified 8GB of GDDR5, 51GB/s vs 176 GB/s on PS4, 218 Gb/a on PS4 Pro and 448Gb/s on PS5.
If Sony could make portable PS4/Pro with custom motherboard and upgraded PS4 operative system we will end with a pocket size PS4/Pro Ps5 lite when optimized, but shared memory bus of 64 bit is a no go... is like homage to Nvidia's 1030 ddr4
8700g are garbage and he played the on low seettings most !!it is like saying that gtx 1650 or rx 560 are great cards in 2024
@@Mr11ESSE111 8700G were destined to be garbage. Bear in mind the difference. But by launching this product they don't lose the oportunity of making $3.000.000 per sqare meter of silicon waffer of chips... is cheaper than any Intel chip ended in 900. you won't find how good they actually are to build minipc with cheapest components on the market, neither than ddr5 5200 oem recommended support in fact is a detuned (i guess virtually with no hardware or microcode real limitation) of the ddr5 5600 and LPddr5 7500 it was intended for as Phoenix Zen 4 chip... you can build a sub 100W or I guess below 75W with ssd, 16gb of jedec ram, one fan ... not a 22W MAc mini, but fully upgradable and serviceable... for a fraction of the cost...is better than other AM5 chips except in perfromance... and also can't compete with 7500F, 7800x3d or 7950x for cpu intensive tasks, only save enrgy to EPYC server levels...without paying $15000 for a pro setup...very difficult to actually explain what is actually good and waht is not without compromising AMD other lineup, lack of competiotion against Nvidia and Intel or so far from Apple closed but better hardware... Zen 3 5500 + rx 6400 is faster, better cheaper and can be tuned to similar stock TDP (not lower to ZEn4 Phoenix levels) or rx6000 (if playing is a thing and you want double the FPS). Is very good deal for 2024 playing in corerct settings, and emulators....most bang for the watt for the buck... better than obsolete hw as you mention, but 8600G and 8700G are almost there with a A620 mb cheapest ram and less power... not better FPS or perfromance...but it makes for 1 fan PC entry level almost PS4 gaming 10 years later...
@@Mr11ESSE111 I think the 8700g is a good choice for someone that cant afford a gpu atm and needs a temporary solution. I wouldnt mind gaming like this for a few months or a year if it ment skipping this awful generation of gpus.
Wow, one of the few that didn't jump on the "budget GPUs are dead !!?!" hype train and instead went right to business and tested the performance to show consumers what they're actually getting instead of sweet words. What are even testers nowadays, the scene is full of clickbait at the moment and people getting scammed by biased and not complete reviews. Keep on going!
I agree to some extent. Thanks!
You do such a great Job Fabio, and thanks for covering the Ryzen 7 8000 series chips, because you show use stuff that other youtubers do not take the time to show us, and I appreciate your hard work very much keep up the Great work that you do!!!
I also appreciate the fact that you always watch and comment! Cheers!
Hey brother. I saw you got a spot on Moores Law is dead. So far I've made it through about half the podcast and I'm going to listen to the other half on my walk. Way to go man! Keep grinding. You have a good thing going.
Thanks, hope you enjoyed it
What a lil BEAST . Nice work man
Indeed, thanks+
@@AncientGameplayshey really appreciate you’re time and effort and trust me carnal it doesn’t go unnoticed, I really enjoy your content and it’s always nice to see you do reviews and how products work !
I got one of the mini pcs out that has the 7840HS running the same 780M gpu and I have to say that I am extremely pleased with it. I am an old dude and don't need 60fps all the time in rpgs and other single player games. I am loving this setup and mine is only a 54W part, but nearly the same as the 8700G.
The 7840HS runs optimal at 45-54W depending on the workload, everything above that is mostly wasted energy (i.e. 8700G).
@@samserious1337 260W when properly overclocked is not exactly waste but an opportunnity for Nobel Price of Physics like the 8 pcore +24 ecores 370W INtel 7 12909K (aka 14900KS) at 6.2 GHZ, not easy turning a semiconductor in a Joule's law heater resistance... I wonder if put in the vaccum they could make light bulbs and vacuum tube diode and triode valves out of transistor silicon filapements. Going back to Edison vs Tesla and entering a loop in time... I hope someone puts a heat pump on silicon ( not the peltier cells approach but why not, 500W AMD APU to beat an rx 6500XT)
not on the CPU side. You're considering most the iGPU one. TO work at 45-54w the CPU (part that consumes the most) will be always downclocked and so will the iGPU
@@AncientGameplays according to Performance vs Power curve that is not a problem at all, but an argument to support samserious opinion on optimal range... all Phoenix 7x4x, Z1 and 8x00G apus can boost to the same clocks range... RTX 4090 300W to 600W is a waste of energy vs the performance of improvement you get
@@AncientGameplays Well, I only can speak for the Z1 Extreme in the Ally. In most games there are very little gains above 35W, so I would assume 54W is even enough for the desktop chip with higher frequency RAM. Do you have any TDP settings in the BIOS? Otherwise you could use Universal-x86-Tuning-Utility and test 3-5 Games with 30W, 45W and 54W for example. Would love to see it!
Thanks for this! Really appreciate the massive sample size of games :)
I know this is not high end gaming but damn, we've come a long way. Back in the day, when integrated gpus came in the motherboard, not the cpu, you couldn't run fck all with it. they were useless. A 2005 igpu performed like a 1996 GPU. and that was a massive gap that made them useless for anything but "retro gaming". Nowadays you can run basically anything on an Igpu, even if you have to compromise somewhat. The "year gap" in performance remains the same, more or less, but now that doesn't matter much because 10 year old gpus are still usable. That's pretty cool.
The next step is getting th performance in a 3-7w package, hopefully before 2030
This is such an impressive and extensive review. My hat is off to Fabio.. you do what many will not and we thank you for the effort!
I enjoyed it and found it informational. Thank you for your time consuming, hard work.
Thank you as well
I like how you can just build a console sized pc possible, and installing that apu is such a cool idea indeed.
1 hour Video , Like is not Enough.
I support, and used AMD products since around 7 years , because I like to support the competitions, and I which Intel also to become better with time , all that will be helpful for the consumers at the end.
Thank you for your support in both ways!
Thanks for your dedication. Not bad APU but still behind the performance of a dedicated GPU+CPU combo at about same price or lower. And at 110W a decent cooler is a must.
The normal power is around 65-80W, the price needs to come down at least $50 for sure, but remember the lower end GPU will also draw more power, needing a better PSU as well. And 110W isn't really something you need a massive cooler to dissipate as the die is bigger
@@AncientGameplays I saw on YT a 4060LP with i5 13400F on a 250W PSU for a SFF build (not that the price of that combo would compete with the price of 8700G but probably the PSU should not be an issue).
Still, would be interesting to see the difference in performance between an all stock 8700G (65-80W) and the one with overclocked IGPU (110W).
rx 6400 comes with its own cooler with heatpipes fans and dedicated GDDR6 vram at a 44W TDP, you won't need any other cooler for the cpu than the included one with 5500 or 5600x or even 7500F + rx6500xt may run faster, cheaper and cooler... the 45W detuned or eco mode for the desktop is the way to go, and the 8600G is almost as fast and can also be underTDPed and be the amazing silent, cool, cheap enough, APU we can buy now instead of dreaming about... and retire any old PC under 6 cores, and under RTX 1060/rx 580 etc....bye bye old PCs, bye bye heat and electric bills, PS4 and older game consoles to rest, with proper emulation capabilities and half the power TDP with any PSU you may already have or the cheapest or free you get with the cheapest ATX included (make sure PFC an 80% certified)... but AMD sales man know how to make very good product appalingly unappeling...
@@vladimirnovakovic3495 best 4060 combo you can get FPS/(W·money) is laptop 12500H (4 pcore+ 8 ecores) and 4060 for 750€ (in $ can be found cheaper). full laptop under 170W, is like SteamDeck OR Z1 game console on steroids and 14" display.
Much better than cpu+gpu because of energy usage lol...play gpu+cpu ayear can save 1 unit lol..
That was amazing !
(This confirmed what I thought., except for Cyberpunk 2077 , this CPU is sufficient for my needs. Looks like a summer 2024 buy, for me>)
Excellent work AG. Subscribed.
Glad I could help
Thank you.
You did a great work here.
The only same game i played like you was LoL, but I was getting around 250fps on my 7840HS APU, which is basically the same cpu.
And my RAM is just standard 5600 version (2x16Gb).
grande trabalho, vou levar mais de uma hora só a ver o vídeo nem imagino o tempo total para criar desde montar o hardware, capturas edição etc...
Horas e horas de facto
Best channel with gaming benchmarks!
Also, gonna build pc with 8700g and 32gb 6400 ram. And as I see in the video - I'm not gonna leave disappointed!
I love that you test NFS as well ❤️. Other reviewers don't
Thank you very much! So it's just like "GeForce RTX 3040" integrated in CPU. AMD are amazing!
Good to see a positive take on these APUs. Too many tech channels have poo-poo'd them because they aren't running games at high settings.
There not problem with games. There a problem with cost. APU at Ryzen 2000-5000 series has a strong point - waiting without videocard for end of mining boom. But now this gone - there is a plenty of videocards on sale. Other point of APU - using for menial task without discrete videocard - also gone - we have Ryzen 7000-series with iGPU that not so good but still usable for menial task and this CPU have normal PCIE lines and cash so better for future upgrade.
The point for media PC also now charged by Ryzen APU 5000-series on am4 platform - they not so fast but still good and far more cheaper then Ryzen 8000-APU on am5. So older APU compete on this side better.
When AMD said we do not need graphics card they were right about it 5 years ago it was impossible to run AAA games of that time on an integrated graphics now here we are getting 80+FPS on games like Warzone. The future is bright for AMD
Thanks again Fabio for all your hard work, it's always appreciated. I know you don't need me to tell you, but ignore the haters, the "why didn't you test this configuration" people and the "you could just buy this and that and it would be better" people. You are a reviewer so you review a product. This helps buyers make an informed choice and for that I thank you. Keep up the great work; I watch every single video you make because I build a lot of PCs for friends/family/friends of friends and everybody's needs are different. You give me the knowledge and knowledge is power :)
Thank you!
My god. All of these games on this iGPU. Imagine where we will be at in the near future. Great content as always! I am learning what I can from the man himself!
It will get even better by the end of the year!
Future?!! Ha-ha. Look at iGPU RX Vega M GH in CPU Intel Core i7-8809G - it like GTX1060 and released in "Release Date Feb 1st, 2018".
that's a different chip though, it was not an "APU" per se@@cobaltxiv4408
@cobaltxiv4408 You may have misunderstood the context. 8809, in fact, is a great chip if you consider it an "APU." Regardless, we are talking about present to future advancements. I would take it as "Intel did a great job, and continues to do a great job, while others are creeping to catch up." On a side note, I would understand if you compared it to, let's say, an i7-14700K.
Thank you for the video❤❤❤. And have a nice day
Thank you as well!
This is amazing for an integrated graphics
Poor little brother had to work all night long apparently :p Good for us 50 games is crazy
This was already in the works while I was doing other videos haha
dont be foolish!! for 50$ you can buy faster used gpu then this igpu junk
@@Mr11ESSE111 You understand that this a primarily powerful cpu, which comes WITH an igpu?
Yes its a bit overpriced but its arealy good cpu with decnt 900p medium gaming. It will sell well next year at 190, i have 7800xt so i dont need it but i love igpu i dont know why@@Mr11ESSE111
you understand that 8700g performance are basically cripled on 5800x level maybe few percent better but in some cases its worse too !! this igpu are not on 6600/xt level then like i sayed rx 6400 level if that and rx 6400 are pretty weak gpu in 2024 @@madmaxmel
quite amazing. with frame generation EVERY game is properly playable on an apu without a real card
it is quite interesting to see where we got
I'm pretty sure everyone here have looked at the video, no need to say what everybody already sees.
think as for now 1080 bench is more important, sure higher look better
I am playing Enshrouded on my 14" HP laptop with an 780M iGPU, and I am amazed how well it plays with FSR at 1080P.
Minor correction you were playing Warzone 3 part of MW3. Results look really good!
Why don't they put an 780M in a lower end CPU? 4c/8t with 780M would be great.
Product segmentation, they want you to spend more money on the 8700G.
@@KimBoKastekniv47 If I was to get an 8c/16t CPU for gaming, I'd pair it with a high end GPU as well, it's silly if you ask me.
Exactly what I asked myself in the video, and as answered below... money. All comes to money lol
CPUs are way more profitable than GPUs since 90‰ of these chips is RAM. You might be surprised yhat the 4-core 12 CU part might still cost $209 because the GOU part is very expensive...
CPUs are way more profitable than GPUs since 90‰ of these chips is RAM. You might be surprised yhat the 4-core 12 CU part might still cost $209 because the GOU part is very expensive...
Holy shit insane work
💪🙏
Thanks for the video,it's very helpful and damn i should have been more patient cus 2 years ago i bought 5600G instead of waiting for this CPU
these stats are amazing. i was thinking of getting myself a laptop with a gpu and a worse cpu, but i guess i can safe me some money
Runs very well for an APU. Beats my Steam Deck for sure lol.
I think the former king was the Ryzen 3400G with the Vega (5700G was just a little bit better from IGPU side.) This IGPU is much stronger. Simply awesome.
same igpu for the dozens of win handheld pcs. I love the 780m for my rog ally and the 7840 mini pc.
Teste muito top! O melhor que eu já vi! Parabéns!
Muito obrigado 😁
Very impressive what the AMD iGPU can do.
Id honestly recommend them to people wo are casual gamers on 1080p, dont really care about the latest and greatest games on maximum graphics settings and dont want to spend a lot.
My Bro for example he only uses his tired GTX1050 laptop for schoolwork, internet stuff, RUclips, watching Soccer Games, Hockey, UFC and Wrestling. Netflix too obviously 😅
The only games he plays are CSGO, Valorant, League of Legends, Rocket League.
Might just build him an ITX PC with this CPU for birthday or christmas.
You might wanna get the 8600G as it is cheaper
This is a solid review!! I just need to pair it with a solid mATX board and I'm good. Considering the Gigabyte B650M Aorus Elite AX as the moment.
Danke für die Videos das hätte ich am liebsten selber konfiguriert und ausprobiert der 8700g ist doch das geilste🎉
Thank you for your work
Thank you as well
This channel is becoming seriously good! Good job, very professional! Can i just say how bad is AC Mirage xD OMG this gameplay...enemies are blind and def xD
Easy mode xD
If i pair 8700g + rtx 4080 super, and play in 2k/4k monitor it will no problem right? If it in 1080p maybe have an some issues in several games , did i right? Sorry i am newbie here😂
You may ask why not go to 7800x3d, the reason is the 8700g had av1 encoder, and i think its good for stream games (light games / mobile games) for while until i can affodr gpu, so yeaaa, wdyt?
And here 7800x3d price is rocket to the moon, and then ryzen 9000x3d will coming, so i think the best scenario is using 8700g, then buy graphic cards,
and if i 8700g not like what i expected, i will replace to 7800x3d, or upcoming 9000x3d series, do you think i am in wrong way? Please give advice if i wrong, cz i am newbie here, love your content ❤,
And one more thing, i hope you tested afmf 2 on 8700g , once again ❤ your content
Even at its current price, It's great for budget gaming!
Yes, it decreased a bit already to $329, but I believe it should be $299 tops, with the 8600G being $199
Hey Fabio, why don't you use a capture card for more accurate performance?
Not yet. But will come
another excellent video, thanks for this, despite it's Pcie 4.0 x8 gpu allocated lanes and high pricing.. it's overall a fantastic process ever made.. if it comes under reasonable price definitely it is worth enough to be considered
True
Not so. Most others Ryzen 7000-series also have a IGPU "onboard" and they have full PCIE lines, cash and so on. Of coz their iGPU not so good like in Ryzen 8000-G series but it still usable for menial task and older games.
@@cobaltxiv4408 yeah, a 2CUs rdna2
Absolutely great video showing performance. I would be very, very intested is Escape From Tarkov, because its notoriously not optimized, so to see how this great CPU can perform would be a treat.
Very very good.thanks❤
Great video as always. This iGPU looks impressive, equivalent to a GTX 1060 maybe?
Close maybe
Close to 1650 i guess
More like 1650
When testing this APU I would like to see the "low" or "med" quality preset adjusted to highest textures. Put whatever else down to what is needed for performance, but keep in mind the APU can allocate as much VRAM as you want to give it. Id like to see the image quality improvement and if it does anything to performance.
Some where
what about that maginificent 10ghz ram available?
someone got 7800mhz g.skill kit to 10400mhz on 8700G, they measured it by osciloscope, but no benchmarks were posted, so kinda sad, but there were 9600mhz benchmarks, so pumping ram with this gpu is insane
I will later try something like 7600MHz ram to see how it fares here
I bought a 5700G in jan 2022. Cheapest 8-core available and I wanted to be a part of history (first 60 fps 1080p APU). I bought a 3070 TI for the same system! Now the 8700G is making history as a 90 fps 1080p APU - I'm glad that SONEBODY understands what a big deal these iGPUs are!!! Best of both worlds AMD+NVidia system!!
well, the first 60fps APU was the Ryzen 5 3400G though. 5700G was barely faster than the 3400G iGPU wise (sometimes even slower), but the 8700G made a HUGE bump in both CPU and GPU performance APU wise
wooo what a job!! maybe the next time you can add the hungry " BeamNG game"
Never heard about it, at least never played it
thanks bro
It will be interesting to really test it in esports games and like sracraft 2, WWK3 and others. In fact, this is probably the main reason such a processor exists, albeit a mobile one, tucked into a desktop socket!
It will be more interesting if you do tests with different ram speeds, as well as with different latency
Its a great solution for a small allround work and gaming pc. Multicore is on cpu is better than the Z1 Extreme but the iGPU is more or less the same. But the fact you Can play demaning games in 1080p and get an enjoyable experience is Wild! :D also great job with the test! :) when they remove the stpm from the desktop bios, hopefully soon, perfomance should increase a tiny bit and be more stable overall.
That's why you need to pickup a 7840u handheld which has the same specs. I recommend the GPD Win Mini.
Amazing! 👌
Like a native Russian i have to admit that your pronunciation is correct, Comrade!
in cyberpunk it has the same fps then my pc in 2020 on mid settings:
it had an r7 3700 cpu and an rx 5500xt gpu
also playing with 70-90ish fps in cs2 max setting is what i would say good enaugh on a budget
thats mad impressiv, they really did a great job
I bought this APU used for 50€ less than retail price (also saved 40€ on motherboard, 30€ on RAM and 15€ on cpu cooler - all bought used). Enabled PBO, decreased CPU boost limit to 4.9GHz ( and undervolted to CO -30. GPU boost limit increased to max (+200MHz), undervolted to CO -12. 6200MHz RAM (because cheap and low profile).
Cooled by Noctua NF-L12S, this thing doesn't hit its 85°C thermal limit in gaming, while staying almost inaudible - and that's before delid, which I will do as soon as I have delid-die mate.
Forza Horizon 5 on FullHD/High doesn't drop below 60fps (I will not be using this PC with any 120+Hz capable device) and is actually playable on 4K high with CAS on balanced (50fps+ avg). This is better than what I was getting from i7 4770K + R9 290 on the previous machine (secondary setup).
Idle power consumption of the entire machine is 20W, which is less than Ryzen 9 7900 in idle on its own (uncore power consumption of 7x00 Ryzen CPUs is stupidly high). It increases by only 10W while playing 4K video, so no need for active cooling even in as small of a format as SilverStone ML05 is.
A while ago I built a similar machine with 3400G (which was the best available APU at the time) and that one was not usable for any kind of gaming.
I've been using a Beelink SER7 miniPC that has the 780m as a multimedia/retro emulator for a month now. I'm thouroughly impressed at the leap in iGPU performance with this chip. If AMD can keep up the pace year over year, rather than every few years, their iGPUs could become insanely competitive at even higher graphic fidelity. I believe we have AMD's work on consoles & handhelds to thank for this honestly.
radeon 780M is on par with 1060 which I think is pretty cool considering its a power-saving GPU thats integrated into the CPU
Boas Fábio, vídeo excelente!! 👏 Podes fazer o mesmo, mas com placas dedicadas? Tipo 4070 RX 7900xtx etc? Série interessante.. abraço 👍
Já fiz isso e está no canal, é só ver. Abraço
Lol I got to the point of running any game you showed on an i5 4200u (HD 4400) at almost 30fps (obviously mostly on low graphics), some with FSR or a couple of external resolution settings achieve a solid 45-50 fps.
I am seriously rethinking many things.
I'm not surprised by the iGPU performance, but I really surpriced by the price. It's cheaper than I thought!
Should be even cheaper
Extremamente interessante ver a evolução dos graficos integrados, mas infelizmente o valor desse cpu no Brasil tira todo o proposito de ser uma opção de "entrada"! Bela analize como sempre!
Não é de entrada sendo que 8c/16t e tem NPU, daí ser caro infelizmente... o 8600g deveria ter a 780m, porque ao preço que custa, seria impecável
@@AncientGameplays Realmente, vc tem razão, mas oq acho triste é um PC de entrada com uma GPU vai ter mais performance e ser até em alguns casos mais barato
sem dúvida, mas em contrapartida terá um socket "morto" em grande parte dos casos e continuará com um CPU mais fraco. Neste caso pode mais tarde trocar o GPU e continuará com um CPU bem decente@@ailtonbrito323
@@AncientGameplays Aí tu me venceu no argumento kk
não se trata de vencer ou perder, só disse o que pensava haha@@ailtonbrito323
did you overclock the graphics? there's a good amount that can be squeezed out of these for overclock. skatterbencher got the highest overclock i've seen on these igpu's.
As shown, yes
If I got my hands on one of these, I'd be testing raytracing like crazy
its not THHHHHHAAAAAATTTTT bad in RT light games, but definitely a nope for me
Do you compare with the RX 760M?
Don't have that one
craze cause i watched the entire vid Jesus
crazy to see 50 games but its craze and i bet with a good gpu the power draw would be crazy
Thanks!
great cpu for a lot of people in my country where it takes months to save money to buy a GPU
FSR and FRAME GEN . are what makes igpu usable nowadays.
Could you imagine the NPU inadvertently cutting Nvidia off from it's exlusivity due to the NPU having machine learning that can be implemented to use DLSS? That would be insane.
FSR will use AI soon, so probably the 8700g is gonna benefit a lot from that
Para variar aqui em Portugal não é barato.
Se o preço fosse mais acessível, seria uma boa base para entrar numa nova plataforma. O custo / valor, anulam um pouco esse propósito, na minha opinião.
Bom vídeo Fábio. Keep up the good work.
Verdade. Neste momento penso que devemos esperar. O melhor neste quesito seria o 8600G que é um pouco mais lento, mas é €100 mais barato.
Um abraço!
Greetings from Russia! Man, you've done terrible work, respect!
Going from 40fps to 60+ with fg which feels better Fsr 3 or Dlss 3 please give me honest answer.
They should both look around the same sincerely. Upscaling wise is where nvdia id much ahead
Thanks a lot for this video! Any idea how much performance penalty I'd take running these games on my laptop at 28 watts TDP? (It's the 7840u AMD Framework same 780m). I'm impressed that MSFS runs so decently, I hope to play it!
Actually, I am receiving a laptop with one of these in some time, so I will be testing the 780M laptop vs desktop
Thanks for your videos!)
Can you please let us know if you have any information about the return of anti-lag+?
It looks like AMD just forgot about it and don't want to bring it back)
Nothing yet sadly
msfs2020 ran nice,can i ask did you use win10 or 11.great budget start to msfs
Windows 11 here, always
Insane! If it were affordable, I'd keep this as a backup gpu to play older titles in my backlog to save wattage instead of using my dedicated one. Is that even possible on a desktop?
thats a massive test sample great job testing the APU for us, thank you.
Yea totally agree the price point of the 8700G is too damn high.
SkatterBencher also did the job of finding the best OC for the APU.
While it nets 30+% with higher speed memory and manual tuning.
but the entry level GPU like the RX6600 curb stomps the 780M
whats worse is that both the 8600G and 8300G have fewer PCI-E lanes as some mentioned and both only have like X4 lanes for GPU which is yikes.
True and sad. The mem things we already knew though
as u said, cheap out on the cpu and go hard on the gpu, daym
The video is long but interesting. Thank you.
Thank you as well
What software do you use on your top lefr corner to check FPS, CPU, etc ? Thank youu
Msi afterburner
@@AncientGameplays Thank you so much
did you try overclocking the iGPU?
60 fps on AC in 1080p. Damn. APUs are going places. Can't wait to see what 2027/28 gen APUs bring to the table. It's been rumored that they will replace the low end GPUs
7:08 Yeah ok game LOL
That's what happens when you play using Easy Mode xD
@@AncientGameplays 🤣
its nice option for some1 who wanna play a bit while saving money for gpu and impressive igpu perf
Can you give more ram to the igpu than 4 gb? Would it use more than 4 if you did? Genuine question
The system does that automatically if you have ram enough I believe
Pretty good! I can’t wait till we have apus like a 4090 😅😅
In 2040 xD
@@AncientGameplays That's pretty accurate lmao
very surprising. Imagine, for a Living room PC. Playing games with your kids (I see playing with a CPU like this games like lego or others with my kids :D)
Is there any dedicated vram built in yet? Or is it all shared?
If thats the case, that would be the next step we see these APUs have built in dedicated vram memory...imagine push in performance