EUROPEAN AMERICANS, AFRICAN AMERICANS AND LATIN AMERICANS, ARE ALL PART OF AMERICAN CULTURE. 🇺🇲 AMERICANS ARE A LOVELY MIXTURE OF ALL 3, OF THESE ETHNICITIES AND THEY SHOULDN'T EMBRACE IT.
@@Benito-lr8mz Así es. Desde que se independizaron de Gran Bretaña llegaron a la conclusión que para extenderse hacia el oeste, deberían justificar su conquista en que los españoles que ocupaban los territorios desde la actual frontera mexicana hasta Canadá no eran ni europeos, ni civilizados, sino algo parecido a una tribu indígena más. Este pensamiento subyace todavía en su cultura y no puede evitar aparecer en cada producto audiovisual que distribuyen en todo el mundo. Mucho me temo que todavía no contamos con capacidad ni inteligencia suficiente entre nosotros como para intentar siquiera disminuir este prejuicio que ya es mundial.
@@atunaco Tranquilo...ellos tienen capacidad sobrada para destruirse así mismos, son egoistas, individualistas, viven depredando y destruyendo naciones enteras, incluida la suya propia, una nació donde un colegio o universidad se convierten en campos de tiro para asesinos, donde no tienen cobertura sanitaria universal, en un planeta en el que solo siembran repugnancia y asco, es una sociedad autocondenada a muerte, caeran para siempre, en España existimos etnicamente desde hace mas de 5000 años, ellos llevan 300, a ver cuanto duran, y sobre el "prejuicio mundial" ¿a quienes reciben mejor en cualquier parte del planeta, a españoles o a "estadounidenses"? hagan la prueba...
So according to this, Celtic genetics have more weight than Roman ones in Spaniards. However, for Hollywood cinema, Spaniards never have dark enough complexions.
Celtic is around 25-45% of Iberian genome depending on region and individual. Roman is 15-25% if using imperial Roman sample which are southern Italian like and include east Mediterranean admxiture from Greek, Anatolia, and the Levant. Basque are the only people without central/east med admixture as well as without North African admixture, so they are genetically closest to the Idon Age Pre-Roman Iberians/Celtiberians. Basques can be modeled as about 50/50 mix between Bronze Age Iberian and Celt (similar to modern French, not British isles which people assume)
@@Travelhistory844 Yep. In fact, they consider themselves so pure and different that sooner rather than later they will draw a border that prevents them from being contaminated by the impure Spaniards (maketos). They always considered themselves superior based on their racial purity, although when Spain was an empire they considered themselves the best of the Spaniards, when the empire ended they began to consider themselves better than the Spaniards. We are fully aware of this.
@@ebonytv3414 Basque have the least foreign admixture. But they also have Celtic admixture like the rest of the peninsula. The Bronze Age Iberians also are descended from multiple migrations, Neolithic Anatolians Farmers, and Indo-Europeans from the steppe. So it’s hard to draw the line who is the most original when there were so many migrations, who basques are also a product of. Basque match the Iron Age population the most though, so they do least foreign admixture from the Roman period and onward.
@@Travelhistory844 The use of the expression "foreign" is of dubious legitimacy, bearing in mind that our ancestors were all foreign. Spain is not the cradle of modern humans, as far as I know.
No one in spain has "high levels of north african admixture." The moslem were expelled gradually with the reconquest of spanish territory from the moslem invaders, and the zones they left were repopulated with christians. You should update your data.
Iberians have between 0-12% North African admixture this is genetics fact corroborated by multiple genetics studies. I wouldn’t consider 12% high though. Most of it happened in first half of Al Andalus, so 711-1100 AD, this is also stated in genetics studies, so the moriscos that got expelled are not an argument
@@Travelhistory844 Perdona pero la mezcla no es de la invasión norteafricana del año del 711, es anterior simplemente porque fue mucho mayor el impacto de Cartagineses y Romanos, además desde el neolítico ya se encontraba adn norteafricano, por ejemplo en Avellaner o els Trocs hace 6000 años A.C. Esa invasión tuvo su consiguiente reconquista y las órdenes militares de Santiago, Alcántara, Calatrava, Montesa, Monreal integradas en la Orden del Temple limpiaban las zonas reconquistadas y eran repobladas, además gran parte de los mozárabes eran de origen ibérico y cambiaron de religión por interés, no pagaban impuestos así, luego menos las élites esa influencia que dices es menor del 3 % y lo atestiguan infinidad de estudios genéticos. Un ejemplo, año 1212, Batalla de las Navas de Tolosa, también llamada la Batalla de los tres reyes. En esa Batalla cayeron 100.000 soldados norteafricanos y destrozaron su ejército, esto era lo que sucedía las ovejas que entraban luego salían. Tampoco se mezclaban con cristianos y posteriormente fueron expulsados en el siglo XV y XVI tanto judíos como musulmanes. Otro bulo son las estimaciones étnicas, son prácticamente realizadas sin tener en cuenta las particularidades de toda IBERIA, ya que son realizadas con un método comparativo en laboratorios anglosajones y los resultados luego no tienen lógica ya que no te dicen de donde eran tus antepasados sino donde se encuentra adn similar. De hecho el haplogrupo E de origen africano se confunde con el E de origen Balcánico en muchas ocasiones y es minoritario en España, 7% o J1 el 1,5% que puede ser árabe o semítico mientras el 70% tiene R1B celta, germánico, G2A el 3% caucásico, greco anatolio y el resto son R1a 2%, I1, I 2A I2B 4%. Tienes un montón de ejemplos de españoles del sur que dan 0% árabe en sus estimaciones colgadas en internet o sea que la historia y los datos genéticos no dan ese 12%.
North african dna has not necessarly something to do with the islamic period. North african dna is not arab dna. Berbers (indigenous people from north africa) are white mediterranians just like italians, french, greek, spanish & portuguese
there is no particular difference between north and south, the south is simply the result of a rapid ethnic replacement after the Castilian conquest (1200-1492) the south is more tanned because it has preserved the native Iberian component of Neolithic origin (Mozoarab) and even more Roman DNA, in fact the Roman colonies were more in the south than in the north. Between 1492 and 1650 a large number of Castilians and Aragonese colonized Andalucia with 300,000 people. The Moors left more in Galatia-Portugal (10-15%) than Andalucia.
🇪🇸De hecho el último mapa genético consultado sobre el impacto de ADN árabe en los españoles modernos el % más bajo lo adjudican los consultores al suroeste peninsular 4%. Soy andaluz pero no tiene nada que ver aunque mi fenotipo sea nórdico, o centro europeo.
@@chesvilgonzalezvilches8309no the SW and west in general have the most (including Galicia) at around 9-12%. The NE is the lowest at 0-3% in Catalonia, North Aragon, Navarre, Rioja
@@Travelhistory844 🇪🇸 Pues tu información es errónea. La universidad de Oxford ( England ) junto a la universidad de Santiago de Compostela (España ) han realizado un trabajo científico de análisis genético a 1400 españoles de distintas regiones del país con 4 abuelos viviendo siempre en la misma región, y el resultado es que Galicia y Cataluña el % es de 9- 11 % y precisamente y sorprendentemente en el sur ( Andalucía ) es tan sólo de un 4% esta publicado en una revista “Sciencie” quiere decir que un 4% de andaluces actuales en sus genes tiene ADN árabe, o norte/africano. El tuyo no sé de dónde lo has sacado.
¿Que tienen que ver los "mozarabes" (eran hispanoromanos cristianos, que no avandonaron el cristianismo trás la invasión musulmana) con los ibéros de origen neolítico (que fueron completamente reemplazados por la invasión de los Yamnaya en el 3500 A.C)? según estudios geneticos los iberos no se mezclarón ni con romanos tras 700 años, ni con moros trás 700 años, su presencia genetica es escasa y residual, España se repobló historicamente con gremanoromanos (visigodos entre el 550 y el 650 aproximadamente) y sobre todo con los hispanos celtiberos del norte peninsular durante toda la reconquista, y algunas migraciones del norte de Europa a mediados del siglo XVIII.
Spain was the "wild Wild West." "Finisterre" - the "end of the world." I descend from people from Castile, Basque country, Cantabria and Asturias. There was trade with the British isles by sea so I have some genetics from there.
As you well know, the process of ethnogenesis of Europeans is extremely complex throughout the Neolithic and the metal ages. The Celts come from Hallstatt, Austria and Southern Germany (before German was actually spoken in the region). The average person in that area typically has brown hair and brown eyes. What would a local fella look like before they were Germanized? Your Viking-looking Celts, in the image and likeness of contemporary Scots and Dubliners, pretending that the population of Britain and Ireland hasn't changed dramatically over the last 15 centuries (due to Anglo-Saxon and Viking invasions), is terribly offensive. Modern phenotypes cannot be casted back onto Iron Age populations, nor can races (redheads...) be identified with ethnolinguistic groups.
Sorry, but the romans don't left any DNA in Iberia, we can say in visigoth and muslim era too. We were the same celtiberians assimilating the different cultures
Wrong. You’re just speaking out of opinion piece. We have extensive genetic testing on the history of Iberia from samples going back to the Paleolithic, so can clearly see the admixture and when it entered Iberia. Roman admxiture is 15-25% depending on region. Celtiberian makes up the majority but Iberians (aside from Basque) are not fully Celtiberian. This is genetics fact. Look up Olalde et Al 2019 or Bycroft et Al 2019 if you want to actually learn about Iberians genetic history, instead of basing on uneducated options
@@Travelhistory844 Sorry mate, but I'm BA in history and I'm not the "another uneducate option". The recently investigations show us how the celtiberian, iberian and celt DNA are the mainly plot DNA structure of modern spaniards and portuguese people. You're welcome
Originally we all had brown eyes, however, according to researchers at the University of Copenhagen, it appears that a genetic mutation in a single individual in Europe 6,000 to 10,000 years ago led to the development of blue eyes... therefore that description is wrong.
Yo solo figo una cosa,soy española y por donde he viajado he llamado la atención,pero de guapa,no esta bien y algo presuntuoso que los diga pero es así,soy bñanca de piel,Castaña claro mi cabello y los ojos verdes....por cierto soy Valenciana y Olé a mis padres por haberme parido tan bien y por cierto,soy muy inteligente y Viva España y mis ascentros y Viva la Hispanidad y mis hermanos de América.....Hispana.
Many things you explained are wrong. The northwest Spanish population has the highest percentage of North African DNA, around 10%, while the south and east of Spain have the lowest percentage of North African DNA, around 2-4%. In the Basque Country, North African DNA is nonexistent. The Mozarabic people were the Iberian-Roman population that remained in the peninsula after the Muslims conquered the land.
@@Ancestrallinguist of course it's yamnaya. And they came from Ukraine and Russia. Most of current Spaniards are Iberian tribes related, and not Celts. In fact many specialists say that even Castro culture in northwest of Iberia is Indo-European but not Celt. Celtic culture in Galicia and Asturias is a mith
There's no "celtic" dna, and Galicia has much higher North African genetic ancestry than Valencia does. Jesus Christ, the video is not too bad, but just the begining is awefully wrong.
i guess the berbers peoples who actually inhabitet north africa for thousands of years dont excist anymore? i see you calling berber dna moorish, moorish are a people who never excisted. i just dont understand how you could forget the name of the people that conquered Iberia in the 800s. i mean themost well known berber has a mountain named after him which until these day is still Brittish territory.(gibral Tarik)
I'm mexican with spanish blood, spanish language and spanish culture, and white skin. ❤
Para los Estadounidenses no somos blancos somos todos Hispanos no hay razas ; un Español 🤣
AMERICANS ARE A MIXTURE OF WHITE, BLACK AND MEXICAN PEOPLE SO THEY'RE NOT THAT WHITE, EITHER. 😂
EUROPEAN AMERICANS, AFRICAN AMERICANS AND LATIN AMERICANS, ARE ALL PART OF AMERICAN CULTURE. 🇺🇲 AMERICANS ARE A LOVELY MIXTURE OF ALL 3, OF THESE ETHNICITIES AND THEY SHOULDN'T EMBRACE IT.
@@Benito-lr8mz Así es. Desde que se independizaron de Gran Bretaña llegaron a la conclusión que para extenderse hacia el oeste, deberían justificar su conquista en que los españoles que ocupaban los territorios desde la actual frontera mexicana hasta Canadá no eran ni europeos, ni civilizados, sino algo parecido a una tribu indígena más. Este pensamiento subyace todavía en su cultura y no puede evitar aparecer en cada producto audiovisual que distribuyen en todo el mundo. Mucho me temo que todavía no contamos con capacidad ni inteligencia suficiente entre nosotros como para intentar siquiera disminuir este prejuicio que ya es mundial.
@@atunaco Tranquilo...ellos tienen capacidad sobrada para destruirse así mismos, son egoistas, individualistas, viven depredando y destruyendo naciones enteras, incluida la suya propia, una nació donde un colegio o universidad se convierten en campos de tiro para asesinos, donde no tienen cobertura sanitaria universal, en un planeta en el que solo siembran repugnancia y asco, es una sociedad autocondenada a muerte, caeran para siempre, en España existimos etnicamente desde hace mas de 5000 años, ellos llevan 300, a ver cuanto duran, y sobre el "prejuicio mundial" ¿a quienes reciben mejor en cualquier parte del planeta, a españoles o a "estadounidenses"? hagan la prueba...
So according to this, Celtic genetics have more weight than Roman ones in Spaniards. However, for Hollywood cinema, Spaniards never have dark enough complexions.
Celtic is around 25-45% of Iberian genome depending on region and individual. Roman is 15-25% if using imperial Roman sample which are southern Italian like and include east Mediterranean admxiture from Greek, Anatolia, and the Levant. Basque are the only people without central/east med admixture as well as without North African admixture, so they are genetically closest to the Idon Age Pre-Roman Iberians/Celtiberians. Basques can be modeled as about 50/50 mix between Bronze Age Iberian and Celt (similar to modern French, not British isles which people assume)
@@Travelhistory844 Yep. In fact, they consider themselves so pure and different that sooner rather than later they will draw a border that prevents them from being contaminated by the impure Spaniards (maketos). They always considered themselves superior based on their racial purity, although when Spain was an empire they considered themselves the best of the Spaniards, when the empire ended they began to consider themselves better than the Spaniards. We are fully aware of this.
So basically the basques are the most original in the country of Spain 🇪🇸
@@ebonytv3414 Basque have the least foreign admixture. But they also have Celtic admixture like the rest of the peninsula. The Bronze Age Iberians also are descended from multiple migrations, Neolithic Anatolians Farmers, and Indo-Europeans from the steppe. So it’s hard to draw the line who is the most original when there were so many migrations, who basques are also a product of. Basque match the Iron Age population the most though, so they do least foreign admixture from the Roman period and onward.
@@Travelhistory844 The use of the expression "foreign" is of dubious legitimacy, bearing in mind that our ancestors were all foreign. Spain is not the cradle of modern humans, as far as I know.
Latin and Arabic did not mix to create Mozarabic. Mozarabic is a direct descendant of Pre-Islamic Latin dialects spoken in Visigothic Spain.
No one in spain has "high levels of north african admixture." The moslem were expelled gradually with the reconquest of spanish territory from the moslem invaders, and the zones they left were repopulated with christians. You should update your data.
Iberians have between 0-12% North African admixture this is genetics fact corroborated by multiple genetics studies. I wouldn’t consider 12% high though. Most of it happened in first half of Al Andalus, so 711-1100 AD, this is also stated in genetics studies, so the moriscos that got expelled are not an argument
@Travelhistory844 so who contributed the most recent genetics to the spaniards?
@@Travelhistory844 Perdona pero la mezcla no es de la invasión norteafricana del año del 711, es anterior simplemente porque fue mucho mayor el impacto de Cartagineses y Romanos, además desde el neolítico ya se encontraba adn norteafricano, por ejemplo en Avellaner o els Trocs hace 6000 años A.C.
Esa invasión tuvo su consiguiente reconquista y las órdenes militares de Santiago, Alcántara, Calatrava, Montesa, Monreal integradas en la Orden del Temple limpiaban las zonas reconquistadas y eran repobladas, además gran parte de los mozárabes eran de origen ibérico y cambiaron de religión por interés, no pagaban impuestos así, luego menos las élites esa influencia que dices es menor del 3 % y lo atestiguan infinidad de estudios genéticos. Un ejemplo, año 1212, Batalla de las Navas de Tolosa, también llamada la Batalla de los tres reyes. En esa Batalla cayeron 100.000 soldados norteafricanos y destrozaron su ejército, esto era lo que sucedía las ovejas que entraban luego salían. Tampoco se mezclaban con cristianos y posteriormente fueron expulsados en el siglo XV y XVI tanto judíos como musulmanes.
Otro bulo son las estimaciones étnicas, son prácticamente realizadas sin tener en cuenta las particularidades de toda IBERIA, ya que son realizadas con un método comparativo en laboratorios anglosajones y los resultados luego no tienen lógica ya que no te dicen de donde eran tus antepasados sino donde se encuentra adn similar.
De hecho el haplogrupo E de origen africano se confunde con el E de origen Balcánico en muchas ocasiones y es minoritario en España, 7% o J1 el 1,5% que puede ser árabe o semítico mientras el 70% tiene R1B celta, germánico, G2A el 3% caucásico, greco anatolio y el resto son R1a 2%, I1, I 2A I2B 4%.
Tienes un montón de ejemplos de españoles del sur que dan 0% árabe en sus estimaciones colgadas en internet o sea que la historia y los datos genéticos no dan ese 12%.
North african dna has not necessarly something to do with the islamic period. North african dna is not arab dna. Berbers (indigenous people from north africa) are white mediterranians just like italians, french, greek, spanish & portuguese
Cope
. nowhere in spain has "high" levels of north african admixture. the most is around 8% in the south west, definitely not valencia which has
Crycry baby
@@YG-hx2pw no, he is right. Wtf are you talking about
@@YG-hx2pwInept
Le recuerdo que el norte de África fue Roma y anteriormente vándalo
@@YG-hx2pw Try to show arguments, please. If you can´t, better you shut your mouth up. Understood?
there is no particular difference between north and south, the south is simply the result of a rapid ethnic replacement after the Castilian conquest (1200-1492) the south is more tanned because it has preserved the native Iberian component of Neolithic origin (Mozoarab) and even more Roman DNA, in fact the Roman colonies were more in the south than in the north. Between 1492 and 1650 a large number of Castilians and Aragonese colonized Andalucia with 300,000 people. The Moors left more in Galatia-Portugal (10-15%) than Andalucia.
🇪🇸De hecho el último mapa genético consultado sobre el impacto de ADN árabe en los españoles modernos el % más bajo lo adjudican los consultores al suroeste peninsular 4%. Soy andaluz pero no tiene nada que ver aunque mi fenotipo sea nórdico, o centro europeo.
@@chesvilgonzalezvilches8309no the SW and west in general have the most (including Galicia) at around 9-12%. The NE is the lowest at 0-3% in Catalonia, North Aragon, Navarre, Rioja
@@Travelhistory844 🇪🇸 Pues tu información es errónea. La universidad de Oxford ( England ) junto a la universidad de Santiago de Compostela (España ) han realizado un trabajo científico de análisis genético a 1400 españoles de distintas regiones del país con 4 abuelos viviendo siempre en la misma región, y el resultado es que Galicia y Cataluña el % es de 9- 11 % y precisamente y sorprendentemente en el sur ( Andalucía ) es tan sólo de un 4% esta publicado en una revista “Sciencie” quiere decir que un 4% de andaluces actuales en sus genes tiene ADN árabe, o norte/africano. El tuyo no sé de dónde lo has sacado.
¿Que tienen que ver los "mozarabes" (eran hispanoromanos cristianos, que no avandonaron el cristianismo trás la invasión musulmana) con los ibéros de origen neolítico (que fueron completamente reemplazados por la invasión de los Yamnaya en el 3500 A.C)? según estudios geneticos los iberos no se mezclarón ni con romanos tras 700 años, ni con moros trás 700 años, su presencia genetica es escasa y residual, España se repobló historicamente con gremanoromanos (visigodos entre el 550 y el 650 aproximadamente) y sobre todo con los hispanos celtiberos del norte peninsular durante toda la reconquista, y algunas migraciones del norte de Europa a mediados del siglo XVIII.
Soy de Murcia , mi familia tenemos los ojos claros la mayoría!! Y tengo más de 50 primos 😂
Y a quien le importa???
@@ross23233 a mí!!!
This is all very interesting, but it goes past so fast that I lose track.
You have to pause and digest. Spain was the Wild West - the "end of the world" so everybody ended up there and had nowhere else to go.
Please, make France next! :)
Also smaller contributions to the spanish genome are jewish and gitano ancestry from antiquity and the late middle ages
Los gitanos llevan más de 600 años en España y nunca se han mezclado. Mejor consulta genética española, antes de decir tantas tonterías….
Interesting thank you
You're welcome
Spain was the "wild Wild West." "Finisterre" - the "end of the world." I descend from people from Castile, Basque country, Cantabria and Asturias. There was trade with the British isles by sea so I have some genetics from there.
Cool 👌
When this topic comes out there always Moors and Arabs womping
Hey which ai art service did you make the pictures in this video?
Dankeschön 🙏🏼 Ich hab spanisch keltische (celtiberische) Gene 😊
As you well know, the process of ethnogenesis of Europeans is extremely complex throughout the Neolithic and the metal ages. The Celts come from Hallstatt, Austria and Southern Germany (before German was actually spoken in the region). The average person in that area typically has brown hair and brown eyes.
What would a local fella look like before they were Germanized?
Your Viking-looking Celts, in the image and likeness of contemporary Scots and Dubliners, pretending that the population of Britain and Ireland hasn't changed dramatically over the last 15 centuries (due to Anglo-Saxon and Viking invasions), is terribly offensive.
Modern phenotypes cannot be casted back onto Iron Age populations, nor can races (redheads...) be identified with ethnolinguistic groups.
Sorry, but the romans don't left any DNA in Iberia, we can say in visigoth and muslim era too. We were the same celtiberians assimilating the different cultures
Wrong. You’re just speaking out of opinion piece. We have extensive genetic testing on the history of Iberia from samples going back to the Paleolithic, so can clearly see the admixture and when it entered Iberia. Roman admxiture is 15-25% depending on region. Celtiberian makes up the majority but Iberians (aside from Basque) are not fully Celtiberian. This is genetics fact. Look up Olalde et Al 2019 or Bycroft et Al 2019 if you want to actually learn about Iberians genetic history, instead of basing on uneducated options
@@Travelhistory844 Sorry mate, but I'm BA in history and I'm not the "another uneducate option". The recently investigations show us how the celtiberian, iberian and celt DNA are the mainly plot DNA structure of modern spaniards and portuguese people. You're welcome
You think rimans didn’t send colonists?
Exactamente, España nunca ha sido romana.
@@torrezno1990 Tu la historia la suspendiste siempre, no?
Originally we all had brown eyes, however, according to researchers at the University of Copenhagen, it appears that a genetic mutation in a single individual in Europe 6,000 to 10,000 years ago led to the development of blue eyes... therefore that description is wrong.
Yo solo figo una cosa,soy española y por donde he viajado he llamado la atención,pero de guapa,no esta bien y algo presuntuoso que los diga pero es así,soy bñanca de piel,Castaña claro mi cabello y los ojos verdes....por cierto soy Valenciana y Olé a mis padres por haberme parido tan bien y por cierto,soy muy inteligente y Viva España y mis ascentros y Viva la Hispanidad y mis hermanos de América.....Hispana.
Many things you explained are wrong. The northwest Spanish population has the highest percentage of North African DNA, around 10%, while the south and east of Spain have the lowest percentage of North African DNA, around 2-4%. In the Basque Country, North African DNA is nonexistent.
The Mozarabic people were the Iberian-Roman population that remained in the peninsula after the Muslims conquered the land.
R1b is not Celtic....Basques are Celt? No, and they indeed have the highest level of R1b in Spain. R1b is western European, not necessary Celtic
R1b is yamnaya. Basque speak a non Indo european language but are genetically the same as Northern Spanish. It’s just a language thing
@@Ancestrallinguist of course it's yamnaya. And they came from Ukraine and Russia. Most of current Spaniards are Iberian tribes related, and not Celts. In fact many specialists say that even Castro culture in northwest of Iberia is Indo-European but not Celt. Celtic culture in Galicia and Asturias is a mith
@@m.sorikar3195 you have a point.
Mexicans.
Are you ok?
The moors are Berbers - imazighen , not arabs
The natufian admix ist older than moorish
There's no "celtic" dna, and Galicia has much higher North African genetic ancestry than Valencia does. Jesus Christ, the video is not too bad, but just the begining is awefully wrong.
the guy did not have dark skin - irsh nonesnense
i guess the berbers peoples who actually inhabitet north africa for thousands of years dont excist anymore? i see you calling berber dna moorish, moorish are a people who never excisted. i just dont understand how you could forget the name of the people that conquered Iberia in the 800s. i mean themost well known berber has a mountain named after him which until these day is still Brittish territory.(gibral Tarik)