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Berberic and old arabic languages share many words that you can only find now in berber language...it's widely believed that😮😂😂 the origins of berbers is east Mediterranean sea and Arab peninsula including yemen migrated thru the Mediterranean and etheopia and also from Egypt...so ethnically the are of Arab origins.
Im a amazigh from the riff mountains of the city alhoceima. I can confirm that we are not arabized. We still speak our own language and have our culture.
Warning. There is abvious propaganda driven in misrepresenting the antiquity period of North Africa. Dismissing the long lasted and string Numidia is suspicious. Similarly, western Numidia (labelled céder Ian Mauretania) has nothing to do with tangitine mauretania. I suspect the author is participating to the lying myth-building project of Morocco. Please beware
Then why people don't recognize it,but Arabic is recognized maybe you were colonize and reversed.A language define a people without your language who are you?
As an amazigh myself a Zenati. I confirm Arabs never arabized us, WE habe arabized ourselves and became more Arabic fanatics than Arabs. The first state who forced the population to convert to Islam and speak Arabic were the Almoravid dynasty who were Amazigh. And it's not something strange to us. Seeing today how much we adore french and teach it to our kids, and speak French even in our bedroom. It's US.
To moroccans that are Arab or amazigh. Studies like these seek to seed devide and hatred. Dear Moroccans, I remember amazigh people are also in part of the semetic people. These studies are only published to spread divide and hatred.
The French also helped in the arabization process by making it the State language in Morocco. In fact, Tamazight was spoken by around 80% of the population, whereas, after the withdrawal of the French from Morocco, it had been reduced to around 60%
This is probably true when it comes to the modern institutions of the State (e.g., compulsary education) .But the Moroccan State has a long history and must have had a State language before that. It's impossible it was Amazigh in any way, shape or form since it is not a unified language (1) and most importantly none of the variations can serve as a literary language since they aren't written. The linguistic issue in Morocco has mostly served the interests of the ruling class after independance since Arabic is the official language in schools, including for the native Amazigh speakers. Yet when entering universities, everyone is supposed to know French. Everyone was (is?) confused, hence all the powerful positions remain in the hands of the few. Great strategy for the ruling class but questionable choice for the people.
@@nofridaynightplans I agree with you. The language policy of Arabic and French mainly hurts Tamazight speakers. However, there were attempts to unify the language in the middle ages, but they largely failed, mainly due to the collapse of the Amazigh dynasties that were pushing them.
@@Oryxnations Speaking French & Spanish is more admirable than Arroubic (Syrian gypsy dialect spoken by those responsible for their Berber queen being beheaded, local languages disappearing, obvious cultural degradation, etc.) The negative consequences of even "tolerating" Arroub Supremacy in their land is so great that it is a testament to the mind-control aka *ummah spell* the pitiable North Africans are under.
@@mmgxo Arabic is the most superior language in existence, nothing come close to its eloquence, descriptive and poetry. Nothing you can say will change that its an objective fact. Also Arabs are a noble people, your slander only shows your own inferiority complex.
As a Vietnamese guy whose dating an Algerian woman, I always give the analogy to curious MENA people that *Chinese vs. Vietnamese* are just like *Arabs vs. Berbers* or *Romans vs. Celts.* One group conquered and influenced the other, but never fully "assimilated" them; as the latter still have their local "native" languages and customs.
You completely skip the history of fierce resistance. Am not familiar with the Chinese vs. Vietnamese history, but I doubt it can be compared to the other two: Romans vs. Celts/Celto-Germans, Germans laid the cornerstone for European supremacy because in the end Rome was sacked by the “Barbarians“. The Arabic conquering tactics (military invasion but as well treaties - Byzantine Egypt had not yet recovered from another Sassanian attack and Christian Nubia (Nobatia) were never conquered but the Arab armies were fiercely defeated & a treaty was required. Therefore, numerous events gradually weakened the power structure of the entire continent in the end. Despite Islam being widespread in Asia, the continent is not under Arabic domination.
It’s not the same amazighs are an African tribe of people Arabs are not from Africa they are from the Arabian peninsula… Arabs and Amazigh are not related peoples … eg Chinese and Vietnamese are orientals Romans are Latins celtics are not so there are no comparisons here …..
@@tahliah6691 100%, the real imazighens are the African tribes of Tuaregs and zenaga of senegal. These Yemeni Arabs are appropriating this amazigh ldentity and language from the Tuaregs. Even the script they use currently is directly copied from the Tuaregs.
@@tahliah6691Do you have any brains. Vietnamese is a different ethnic and linguistic group than chinese. Even I as an indian know that. There is even difference in genetics
It is worth mentioning that Turkey itself was "turkified", with the arrival of turkic peoples to Anatolia which was previously populated by other indigenous people such as the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc. Edit: Ok I was maybe wrong about the term "indigenous" being used for Greeks and Assyrians, but it's definitely true for Armenians and Kurds (if you look at Eastern Anatolia). And yeah, the other ethnic groups of the region like the Hittites were hellenized.
Greeks are not indigenous people of Anatolia. The Anatolian nations were the indigenous people. Hittites, Lydians, Karians, Lykians etc. These nations were speaking Anatolian languages (such as Luwian) not Greek. Greek came from the other side of Aegean sea and Hellenised the whole Anatolia, with trade colonies first and later by conquest. I am really surprise a few people know about this. Similarly, Assyrian are not orginally from Anatolia. They spread via Assyrian Empire's extensive conquests.
A great video! My Amazigh friends in San Francisco introduced me to the historic differences across North Africa. The centuries of unspeakable violence that characterized the entire Mediterranean since Antiquity have still not subsided. I wish so much self-determination was respected by and for everyone.
@@adamelghalmi9771 That notion doesn't account for the great rebellions of Vercingetorix, Arminius, Spartacus or Viriathus. The passions of tribes and societies throughout history prove that all peoples detest subjugation, and will try when possible to direct their own futures without external interference. I wouldn't call that a laughable joke.
@@prototropo well no shit, but that's not what you'd call self determination. arminius could be the exception, but he could barely hold the tribes together for a couple of years before the romans came and burnt everything to the ground.
نعم الصورة من قبيلة عربية جزائرية نايلية يجب ان يتعلم المراريك ان لا يخلطوا بين التاريخ الخاص بهم والتاريخ الخاص بالجزائر دائما مايسرقون كل ماهو جزائري ليعبروا عن أنفسهم 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄@كوكي-ي8ك
Tell him to man up instead of presenting us as "vi ctim" We are Amazigh, a stubborn people who will never give up on our identity. Nevertheless we are proud m slim too. Hamdulliah for I slam❤
I'm a light skin native berber indigenous from the southern of Morocco far from the anti atlas mountains by 200 klm but we can stell look at the beginning of the anti atlas mountains series from a far and is snowy from the very far distance my native berber tribe with other over 50 native berbers tribes all of them speak Tamazight language from the extent of 20 klm and most of the families of this tribes every married couple got over 5 kids to 8 kids the maximum and the anti atlas mountains there's over than 3300k berbers native tribes
As Amazigh kabyle from north Algeria we are not arabised at all. Actually we talk Tamazight language better than any other amazighs people in north Africa..
@BrahimS03 greek are mostly anatolian ancestry and turks are a mix of anatolian and turkic dumbass lol you think look at some data. Also don't talk about noses you nafri arab
@Poultry499 You, are berber, not US, you can be a monkey if you want but do not represent US as you wish, berber amazigh whatever you call it, am not having it, am arab, thank you
Incredibly well presented. Very good balance of nuanced information without being overly simplistic all while remaining neutral on the topic and not making bold claims. Looking forward to seeing more like this :)
Just to be clear to you. The vast members of this "Amazigh movement" are ethnic Arabs who have Yemeni origin. The real amazigh are the Tuaregs (who speak the purest amazigh dialect). These arabs are highjacking the amazigh ldentity by appropriating the tuareg language and script as heritage if their own.
@@moorishsociety7339 Zero Arroub$ were "from Yemen". They are originally from the Syrian Desert/edge of Mesopotamia. Squatting somewhere doesn't make you a local.
Syrians iraqis lebanese Palestinians Egyptians jordan morrocco tunisia libya algeria sudan ..etc are not arabs. The arabs are from south saudi arabia yemen oman kuwait uae Bahrain
@@nofridaynightplansI speak Arabic and lived in Morocco, casablanca and Tanger, for a couple of years; and I do think that you yourself are of Moroccan descent. It's all there 😊
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@lebladful Do you have any suggested literature I could check out on the subject? I am genuinely curious in learning more about this history from the people themselves rather than from institutions and experts that trace their records back to arguably ongoing imperialist institutions.
Met people from North Africa over the years and first thing they usually say is something along the lines of “we aren’t called berbers that’s a slur, we are Amazigh” met people who can speak the Amazigh language also who have explained to me that the “L” and “R” sounds are similar to English which made the language easier for them to learn. They don’t identify as Arabs and Arab people seem to view them as different, according to my friends
I have been looking for an answer to that question for many years, as a Moroccans I am pretty sure that the Amazigh gens is more spread than the Arabic ones, however this fact don't stand when speaking of languages is. For example in Tangier of Marrakech most people have at least on Amazigh parent yet they don't speak their language as in my case. Probably 100% arabic moroccans exist in small numbers maybe between 10% to 20% of the population, because as you said the arab migration into Morocco is very small by numbers and could not demographically change the society. Which means most of Moroccans are originally Amazigh even if they don't speak the language.
I’m going to tell you a little story. I was travelling in the Atlas Mountains some time ago and I met a Moroccan couple from Casablanca. He was a native Tachelchit speaker from Tata and she was a native Darija speaker from the big city. When they spoke to each other, they obviously spoke in Darija. I love language learning and pretty much anything related to languages, so it is no wonder I ended up thinking: ‘Oh, if they have a child, the little one will end up unable to speak Tachelhit’. Why? Because being born in Casablanca will mean growing up in an environment where Darija dominates. Not because nobody speaks Tamazight, Tarifit or Tachelhit there (far from that), but rather because the city has become a melting pot of Moroccans coming from every corner of the kingdom and they will obviously resort to the lingua franca (i.e., Darija) when talking to each other. So, unless the father from Tata makes sure to compel the kid to talk back to him in Tachelhit (which won’t necessarily work since the parents will speak Darija to each other), it is likely the child won’t speak the language and their offspring won’t either… That’s how languages are killed. How many Moroccan or Algerian families experienced similar patterns? Countless ones, undoubtedly. And you apparently also belong to one of them. But it is not something specific to Morocco - of course not. It is a natural phenomenon that always happens in a multilingual environment: only the most widespread languages survive. As I said in my video about French in Africa, the rapid urbanization of the continent is unfortunately accelerating this pattern. As someone who’s so fond of languages, I regret it a lot. And would encourage anyone to preserve their languages whenever possible. Thank you for your comment!
You know that many Berbers live in Europe for 3 generations and still speak tamazigd. It is a very easy language. I had Moroccan friend and I learned the basics very fast. And we spoke in our secret language sometimes when we made a joke lol. A very easy language to speak. Especially the basics.
As a black person, one is led to believe North Africa is Arab, and the ancient Kemet battle seems to be between blacks and Arabs, this video confirms Arabs weren't around in Africa pre -7th century like that at all, but these Amazighs were. So in some ways this has cleared things I never knew up for me, even if I dislike term Carthage and Phonecian which really just means people who originated from Canaan right (You can correct me if I'm wrong)? I have recently heard of the Tuaregs due to the capture of Niger, Mali and Burkino Faso. But all those beautiful names like Ifriqiya and Amazigh makes me proud of Africa. You knew I have never been comfortable with Arabs in Africa, but the Amazighs just sound indigenous and beautifully North African. Power to the people, keep your native language and identity going. Wow there is so much to learn about Africa and African history.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Arabised? Lmfao are you serious. Call it colonization, just as you would if any other group had done it. The Berbers have forgotten their own language and now pray to another people's god. They were colonized. Call it what it is.
The Berbers were conquered, then willingly accepted the truth of Islam, then they rebelled against their conquerors, then they themselves became conquerors taking over places like Iberia and West Africa. There is only one God and he is everyone's God, just that some are too arrogant to believe. And as someone who actually lives in North Africa, I can assure you that they did not forget their language 💪🇲🇦
I think colonization refers to like exploiting the resources and not becoming natives(?) of that land? For example the Europeans colonized USA even when it had racially European people. Replacing almost the entire population by Arab is Arabization. It's like Christians colonized the Nordic countries while infact it was actually Christianized. I am being respectful and I expect civilized discussions regarding this.
@@Ani-13-w8d Arabisation happened when Arab language and culture was spread in North Africa, the native population was absolutely not replaced by Arabs because it was impossible even if Arabs wanted to and because Berbers are still the majority of people until this day.
@@Ani-13-w8d oh I agree with you about colonisation, I just replied to your comment by mistake. As for results from Wikipedia they're not to be taken too seriously as DNA evidence shows how dominant Berber blood is in North Africa, and since I know my country and its tribes better than other countries then I'll speak about it, around 60% of tribes in Morocco are of Berber lineage, it's just that in big cities Arabic and French are in use for administration while Berber languages are just spoken amongst ethnic Berbers who learn it since childhood, but unfortunately in many cases native languages (including Moroccan Arabic) get sidelined over time in favour of French.
Great video! I loved the thorough narration of the historical events. One remark however, as an Amazigh Kabyle from Algeria, i think you could've made the video longer if you addew that the post-European colobiql history of arabization and berber identity as it didn't stop at the migration of Bedouin arabs into the area, in fact, in the case of Algeria, the role of the post-independance gov played a huge role in the linguistic and ethnic dynamics especially since it was ruled for 2 decades by the pan-Arabist Boumediene-led FLN government. Boumediene effectively denigrated the assimilation of Berbers into algerian identity (especially Kabyles whom made up nearly a third of the national population, this defacto illegalization of the language made the prospects of arabization futher becoming al obligation, which culminated in the Berber Spring. Kabyle and Berber identities at large did recover, but the holdover from that period can still be felt, as you still have people who are visibly berber or of amazigh descent claiming that they "came from Yemen"
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Oh great stuff, used to spend a lot of time with Maghreb people of all sorts (Kabyle, Arab Algerians etc) and was always puzzled about this question, but none of them were able to give me a compelling explanation. Thank you !
About 40% of Persian literature is Arabic words ,,, and the Turkish language is a mixture of Persian, Arabic, and French ,,, and the French language is a product of Gallo-Romance dialects , while English is a product of Old English, Danish, Norse, and French, and has been changed by Latin, Greek, Arabic , Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, Dutch and Spanish, along with some words from other languages .
Ok…? 🤔 Most languages are influenced by other languages. That’s just common sense and it’s something that’s going to happen naturally. Even Tamil and Korean have many similar words… due to supposed ancient history, with an Indian princess marrying a Korean ruler, or something. But if you look at international borders, regional accents of different languages, and different cultural traditions, they flow and influence one another, and change gradually as one travels. For example, if you traveled west from Japan all the way to the Iberian Peninsula, you’d see influence and interchange between borders. Or if you went from India north through Siberia, look at all the regions and how they flow into each other. Japan flows into China, Korea, and East Asia, and vice versa. China flows into the Central and West Asian cultures, which are also influenced by Russians to the north and Persians and Arabs to the south, and Turkic peoples, too. The Middle East and Levant flows into Anatolia, which flows into the Balkans, which flows into the Adriatic, which flows into Italy, which flows into the south of France, which flows into Spain and Portugal. You could literally look at hundreds of scenarios like this. So yeah, languages are always influenced by their neighbors or "colleagues".
@@erikm8372Marrying the princess is not the correct Statement. Tamils live in the coast. And near the coast they would trade a lot. A lot of buddhist monks from India would visit foreign people and vice versa which resulted in several shared words b/w each other. It's dumb how people almost always forget trade influence
Lol...what a soup !!! Primordial soup...but turkish is not what you mentioned above ...turkish is a horse of a different color... Kalimera from kalamata
Shah tried to purificate the Persian language from Arab and and Turkic borrowings by exchanging them to the native Persian from Middle Persian Sassanid period. But you've got so called Islamic Revolution and all tryings came to an end.
Turkish is a mixture of Arabic, Persian and French? The frequent use of Arabic or Persian words in daily language may mislead those who don't know Turkish, but for this expression to be correct, each of them must constitute at least one third of Turkish. However, at least 80% of Turkish vocabulary is original Turkic. That's why even today we can easily understand the vast majority of Turkic texts written 1500 years ago, and we can communicate without a translator with the Yakuts who speak their own Turkic language in Siberia, thousands of kilometers away from us.
Arab bedouins did not arabize Amazigh people because Arab bedouins were slaughtered by the Marinids, arabization of some tribes is ascribed to arab bedouin women enslaved by the Marinids.
just some poor riyahids in morocco, actually the marinids were brutally crushed in 1347 in kairouan by the bedouins read about it, and they also get defeated by the bedouins in eastern algeria and in tlemcen in 1369, cope harder ,no way women can arabize an entire tribe and also WOMP WOMP RIO DE SALADO 1340 and don't forget your princesses were captured by the arabs and the spaniards
@@hannibal7barca yeah that's the riyah arabs in tamesna, the marinids themselves had their own arab allies (khult and fezara) so no they didn't , also ibn khaldon was meeting with several arab tribes in algeria and tunisia ,if they went extinct how they can exist in his era? and with this logic we can say the spaniards exterminated the amazigh because the almohad army in las navas de tolosa was brutally slaughtered by the crusader with a rate of 80% one of the highest in history ,it was a massacre not a battle
Your problem is that Pakistanis are fanatical followers of an Arab cult of an Arab man. One that freezes you in the customs and mores of the 7th century. You have the eternal and unalterable word of Allah and you have a "perfect" man to slavishly follow and emulate. You are forced to believe that on pain of an unpleasant and painful end. That sucks. You are the slave of a harsh master, not a loving father and your perfect messenger was s€× obsessed pdf.file who married a 6 year old baby, the wife of his adopted son. A warrior who, with his own hands or sword, unalived countless people. A man who had no qualms to make and trade slaves. The list of his imperfections and immorality is very long. Be better than that.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Watching internal always feels like having you really interesting discussion with a wise, old friend. 😊 Love this videos, also because they tell me a lot of stories about languages and regions that I usually don't hear about. Please, please do make more of these!
Interesting video and interesting comments. A lot of people think she’s talking about ethnicity when she clearly states that she’s talking about languages. From my experience of going back and forth to Morocco everyone speaks an Arabic dialect while doing business and dealings in public spaces. Then of course people speak different in their homes or around people who speak similar to them.
One of the best (and most uncommon) things about RUclips is when you come across a video that addresses a topic that you've wondered about for a long time. Ever since I learned (some 45-50 years ago) that north Africa was populated by "Arabs" (and that this is apparently the reason everyone separates "sub-Saharan Africa" from North Africa), I've wondered why this is, how far back it went that these people were known as Arabs. I remember watching Anwar Sadat on television and trying to figure out if he "looked" Arab. In short, this topic has been in the back of my mind for a long time. I hoped someday that a little missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle would fall into place, answering this old question of mine. But alas, it was not to be. Young Miss No Friday Night Plans, while doing an expert job at addressing this question, also made it clear there was no one moment when the Berbers became Arabs. History is messy, and this story was messy, and so while I found no joy in learning the answer, I do take comfort at now being a bit more knowledgeable than I was. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and support - appreciated. The main point of the video is to determine why some, here North Africans, abandoned their languages in favor of another. As I specify in the video, arabised is to be understood as "a region where Arabic became the dominant language". North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse peoples on the planet for objective historical reasons. An acquaintance of mine used to say that, despite being Chleuh and thus a native speaker of Tachelhit, he was proud to be an "Arab" because being Arab is defined as "having an excellent command of the Arabic language". This was the main motto of Panarabism. In this video, I have stated the objective historical reasons why the Amazigh tribes usually favored Arabic in the development of their State tradition. It is unfortunate this whole comment section has turned into a feud in favor of one ethnic group against another. Thank you again for your support.
As an Amazigh (Berber) from Algeria, I find the title of this video deeply offensive. While there have been countless attempts to Arabize us, they have all failed. We are a proud and resilient people, fiercely protecting our identity, culture, history, and language. As the roots of North Africa, we carry our heritage with pride, and no one can erase who we are.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
You find they aren't well preserved? I find the opposite (at least in Morocco, the only Maghreb country I know extremely well. The other being Tunisia, but never met any Amazigh language speaker there). From Bin el Ouidane to Sidi Kaouki, Imlil to Tafraoute, Aourir to Tata, you'll mostly hear Tachelhit. I don't even mention the Rif Mountains (different language there but still). The thing with Amazigh is that it is not only one language. There are many variations within that language family, which means that anyone from Ouirgane in Al Haouz will always resort to darija when visiting the Rif. That's why the linguistic issue in the Maghreb is a real headache. As for the Modern Standard Tamazight now taught in Moroccan schools, I must say I'm not convinced. This is an artificial language that has nothing in common with what people speak at home. I find it quite odd to be honest. Thank you for your comment! P.S.: to preserve languages, passion is a good start :)
@@nofridaynightplans no it isn't well preserved not in Morocco or any north African country tamazight isn't even thought in schools and was only considered an official language till 2011 and the government faced a lot of critiques from pan arabist and islamist constitutions and it still is to this day you can't even name your children amazigh name but rather Arabic name where the hell is freedom and acceptance of cultures??? , arabization really hurt the roots of north Africa and I say that as a Moroccan
@@Galbaudix Arrubization is THE enemy, that is what I keep trying to explain to the (abundantly dense to put it politely) North Africans online. There was even a woman named "Amazigh Lionness" who legit said that Islam saved North Africa from paganism, so it was "worth it" to be conquered. Yes the same conquering that involved beheading their Berber queen and displaying her in Syria for all to see. The not so bright woman then disappeared once I reminded her that Indonesia didn't need Arrubization to adopt Islam. Go figure.
אם אתה גאה בשפה שדיבר הנביא אתם בטח גם גאה בעריפת הראשים שזו אחת הסיבות שהאיסלם הצליח להתפשט בגלל האימה עם החרב המעוקלת , התיעוד המפואר של אנשי דת השלום בעריפת הראש של חיי בן אחיטוב ואשתו צפיה נלקחה כשפחה , כמה פאר כמה הוד והדר , אם היו עושים סדרה על כיבושיו של האסלם אף גוף תקשורת לא היה מוכן לשדר את הברוטאליות האכזריות שהאסלם הביא לעולם וסביר להניח שאותו במאי נכנס לכלא עצם שידור של מעשה זוועה שממשיכים עד עצם היום הזה והכל בשם הדת , דת השלום ומי שמסרב פשוט אומרים לו שלום ולא להתראות
Not every khaliph was a role model, they even fought against the own kind of the prophet, but our prophet for example had his prisoners eat at his own table, if you actually did your research. You're just a jewish hater. You hate everything exept yourself. Allah accepts everyone to islam. Thats how allah wanted it.
@@המאמין18 how about what you are doing to the palestinians, or the centuries of western colonialism and slavery, if you wanna talk about brutality read your history, if they had made a series about what you are doing to the palestinians the whole world would depise your country and people...oh wait, they already do, since you filmed it yourselves saying that islam brought only cruel brutality is ridiculous and pathetic, and yes they have made media about islamic conquest, or more accurately reconquest, its called kingdom of heaven, you should watch it since its relevant to you, i dont need to hear the opinion if a group of people that keeps getting kicked out of wherever they go, and are committing the same atrocities that were done to them, you have no right to come and talk badly about islam while your people and religeon consider everyone beneath you, and would rather plunge everyone to war, your allies and enemies just to expand your "state" which wont even exist by the end of the century, enjoy your borrowed time, the west wont support you forever.
There is no DNA test that can tell you your ethnicity, they only tell you where your ancestors have lived for the last 150-200 years, and when you get "North Africa" it means that your Arab ancestors have been in North Africa for more than 200 years it does not mean that you are "Berber", even companies say it, the important thing is to do the Y-DNA Haplogroup test to know your grandfather origin if you come out J1, EM84, EM35, EV65, J2, you are Arab ض🇲🇦🇹🇳🇲🇷🇩🇿🇱🇾ض❤️
In my youth I never heard my family talking about Berbers and never never about Imazighen or Amazighs. The first time I heard the word "berber" was from a french comrade at school . My parents used to talk about the non arabic speaking people of Algeria by designating them as Qabaïl (Kabyles) , Shawi (inhabitants of the Awres) or M'zabi according to the regions from where they came.
As a Moroccan Oujdi from a mix arab amazigh descent I find your video very informative and precise. I want to add that "Arab" is an ethnolinguistic identity, just like being jew is an ethno religious identity. Which means that arabs since the beginning were ethnically diverse and binded by language. That's why, historicaly we find many categories for arabs, either Geographicaly or socially like qedarites arabs (north semitic Arabs) and qahtani arabs (Afro-Asiatic people) While both groups identify as arabs. So, yeah in a sense, Moroccans were arabized both culturally and linguistically so it's quite normal for many to identify as arabs and that shouldn't be considered wrong likewise identifying as pure amazigh. Fun fact, we talk about berber arabization but many don't know about arab amazighation. Many arab tribes in my area (migrated in the late XVIII century) have fully assimilated into amazigh culture and many think they are berber tribes while "ethnically" they are arabs. So in Morocco we had this weird exchange 😅
This is the best observation I've seen in these comments so far. Very accurate and open-minded. When you said some of the Arabs were actually drawn into the indigenous culture and today think they're Berbers or Moors.. I knew you knew what this videos isn't saying.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
This channel is exsclusively about languages. I don't discuss ethnicities. It's clearly stated on the first image of the video: arabised = Arabic became the main language in the region. The question that interests me is: why have some people abandoned their languages while others have not? It's unfortunate few people actually pay attention to what is being said. Who knows people's ethnicity anyway? North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse individuals on the planet...
Well the phoenician thing is kind of a myth, Lebanon was always a mix of people, so it's likely a mix of all Levantine and Semitic people, like Maronites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Jews etc.
Thing is that in Morocco people from Oujda, although in the Tamazight-speaking North will identify as Arab because their first or sole language is (Darija) Arabic, as do people from capital Rabat and Casablanca (and other places). In essence all citizens of indigenous Moroccan descent are Imazighen. This incorrect Arab identity was pushed onto them without them even noticing. It is partially due to Arab nationalism of the 19th century that equated speaking a form of Arabic to being part of the "Arab world" and "being an Arab." People started to speak Arabic outside of the Arabian Peninsula because of the spread of Islam after 632 AD, not because all those various ancient non-Arab peoples became Arabs in genes. Only people from the Arabian Peninsula are Arabs. The cradle of Arab civilisation is southern Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Still people all over the world will say: "They are Arabs," when they hear the Arabic language. This connection between language and being of a certain genetic descent is not correct. Despite language being an important constituent of identity, language can be forced upon someone and over time people forget their ethnic, historic roots. As identities in many instances are formed for political gain (division or unification of people) we should be aware that the language you speak may not reflect your genetic ancestoral reality. It is interesting to see that the same did not happen in South America, where people were lingually hispanisised but they did not self-identify as Spanish. And there is no feeling of connectedness to the country of Spain other than colonial historic knowledge taught at schools. Spain was Christian, (Saudi, not contemporary) Arabia was Muslim. The reason why non-Arab Arabic-speaking people started identifying as Arab whilst non-Hispanic Spanish-speaking people did not, must be found in the fact that Arabic made its way to become the lingua franca of science; it was not only important for trading but also to exchange scientific thoughts. Therefore connecting oneself to a great apparatus of scientific literature (written by mostly non-Arabs who wrote Arabic because their patrons were Arabic-speaking Muslim caliphs / governors etc.) was connecting oneself to a glorious, proud tradition of cultural production.
Just Study amazigh languages and Use them again ... Hebrew was extinct for many centuries and it's now spoken by millions of natives . Viva imazighen .
Why don't you revive etruscan, Aequian or somesort instead of fabricating artifical language and state inside arabs homeland. Are we free experimenting subjects to you ?
@@SarahHaddid the difference between those langauge and amazighs is that a huge fraction of north africans in Morocco and Algeria still speak it as a first languages
Palestine is not the home land of the Jewish people -- its the land of Canaanites ( the Roman called it Palestine ) thankfully the discovery of 4500 year old Canaanites graves have been genetically studied it turned out that they are genetically closer to Arabs including Palestinians by contrast most Jews are genetically related to non Semitic population such as Europeans especially Italians and Kurds and Persian and Turks ( a small minority of Mideast Jews are genetically related to Canaanites and Arabs ) most of the world Jews are Ashkenazi Jews they are mostly Europeans who either converted or migrated to Europe from Anatolian and mixed with European women thus the strong links with Italians , the Levant which includes Palestine witnessed through its history migration from Anatolia and Persia into the Levant due to instability in Anatolia , modern examples are the Maronite Christians who migrated to Lebanon and Syria fleeing the Byzantines prosecution in Anatolia or the Druze both immigrated from Anatolia to the Levant , and finally the Kurds in Syria who migrated to Syria fleeing Ataturk regime and fled from Iran to Syria fleeing the Shah regime in addition to economic Kurdish migrants in farms in Syria , in short the vast majority of Jews in Israel are certainly not native to Palestine if they were they would have strong genetic links to the native Canaanites yet they have strong links to non Semitic groups .
I'm from Tunisia , I did DNA test last year and these are my results : 51% North Africa 22% Italian 14% Iberian 8% Ashkenazi Jews 3% Scandinavian 2% Balkan
They took on the language because they were forced to at the end of a sword or gun, we have fought this for over 1400 years and we still fight this today.
N'importe quoi....ouvrez des livres d'histoire...les nord africains ont adopté l'islam et la langue arabe dans leur intérêt. ..les armées musulmanes ont été plusieurs fois défaites. ..et remplacées paor des nord africains, ,..qui ont fondé plusieurs empire, dont les fatimides (est algerie ) qui s'etendait jusqu'en Palestine
How egyptians, phenicians, cananaites, mesopotamians, yemenites became arab ? How anatlian became Turks ? How west salvic people became eastern german ?
It was the Amazigh dynasties that introduced and promoted the Arabization of North Africans. The reason they are so open to Arabic is primarily religious. Genetically speaking, all modern North Africans, whether Arabic-speaking or Amazigh-speaking, are 80 to 90 percent native Amazigh, with the remainder divided between Iberian, Italian, and Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
this is better than that history and geography("tarikh o ljoghrafia") program they taught us when we were young. Thank you miss, you made my night. I'm currently writing a fantasy book inspired by our culture, history and folklore(Moroccan mostly) and... well this is very intriguing and useful. I think you should do more of these!
Thank you very much for this comment, which I find particularly gratifying. I wish you a lot of joy and success (whatever this may be for you) in your endeavour.
The reason for the dominance of Arabic language is the religion Islam which was revealed in the Arabic language. Also wherever the Arabs would go they would marry among those people and have kids who would then speak Arabic. But even today when people convert they try their best to learn the Arabic language to understand the Quran better as translation doesn’t do any justice for instance many scholars and people in America who convert tries their best to learn the language. Same is the case in Asia
As a mizrahi jew, without Arabs, those nations would be roman cultural colonies forever. They would speak broken latin dialects like Spain, Portugual, France, Romania, and Italy. At least, with Arabs, they still connected to their Afrasian Heritage since Arabic is an Afrasian Language.
A very interesting video and I can see some parallels with my own country, England. We too had ancient Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans arriving here. The Romans stayed for nearly 400 years, but as in the case of the Amazigh left very little genetic or linguistic evidence because the people continued to speak Brythonic. However, in the 5th century AD, Angles and Saxons arrived and they did change the spoken language into what was to become English. So as in the case of the Amazigh, why did they adopt Arabic and why did the Britons adopt a germanic language yet neither changed their language to Roman previously ? It was thought in England that the Anglosaxons had completely taken over and killed all the Brythonic speakers. However, with modern genetic tests showed that the majority of the population didn't change only the language, but why ? I think the answer could be very similar to what you have said about the Amazigh.
As a Turkish, I think Islam is a useful tool in the Arabs' colonization activities. The word for God in Turkish is Tanrı (Tengri in Central Asian Turkic dialects), and it is almost no longer used due to Islam's influence. In fact, it has shifted in meaning and is now used for pagan gods. Even though we have not become Arabized, under the influence of Islam we have started to use some Arabic words for religious reasons even though their equivalents are in our language. This is actually a type of Arabization.
because if you believe in Islam you use words that are original revelation. This is not an argument against Islam , it just shows Islam remains pure from dilution and remains in its original state of revelation no matter what part of the Muslim world you go to
Unless if I misunderstood something, I kind of heard her saying the Amazigh are native to North Africa and on her channel, it’s centred on researching and discussing language changes. Mainly locals being forced by circumstances to abandon their indigenous language and coerced to adopt the conqueror’s language. It’s still happening in this century. Look at French, Russian, Shona, English, Spanish and Portuguese. Just mention a few. Some of those are implemented by force of Arms.
They were arabised and islamised through constant persecution by thy Arab Muslims colonisation in the 6th century. Back in the days before Islam countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Jordan and other Middle Eastern countries had their own beautiful cultures and religion. But after the arab Muslims conquest to these countries they were forced to be Arabised through colonisation and persecution of the native people of these countries by the Arabs. They were forced to change their culture and their religion to Islam by the sword. Take for example Egypt.. Egyptian were much better under Romans and the Persian Empire (although I despise the Romans). The Egyptian native language and religion reminded the same and consistent since the unification of Egypt 3100 BC. Before the colonisation of Arab Muslims to Egypt in 641AD There were three different groups in Egypt: the Byzantine Greco-Romans who controlled Egypt and were a small minority, the Egyptian Coptic Christians who were the majority and all over Egypt, the Nubians who were in the South past Thebes. All cultures reminded the same until Arab Muslims came and conquered Egypt and forced the native to convert to Islam and force non Muslims to pay jizya they also replaced the ancient Egyptian native language (Coptic language) with Arab language The language of the Coloniser. When the Arabs conquered Egypt in the middle of the seventh century, Coptic was the vernacular language of the bulk of the population, as well as the major literary language. The Coptic language massively declined under the hands of Fatimid Caliph *"Al-Hakim bi-Amr"* Allah, as part of his campaigns of religious persecution. He issued strict orders completely prohibiting the use of Coptic language anywhere, whether in schools, public streets, and even homes, including mothers speaking to their children. Those who did not comply *had their tongue cut off.* Arab Muslims also take Egyptian women as səx slavəs known as "Sebaya or Melk al Yemin." During the early Islamic history of colonisation of Egypt, slavery were mainly focused on three categories: male slaves used for soldiers and bureaucrats, female slaves used for sexual slavery as concubines, and female slaves and eunuchs used for domestic service in harems and private households. At the end of the period, there were a growing agricultural slavery. The people enslaved in Egypt during Islamic times mostly came from Europe and Caucasus (which were referred to as "white"), or from the Sudan and Africa South of the Sahara through the Trans-Saharan slave trade (which were referred to as "black"). When the British colonized Egypt, they literally abolished slavery. British pressure led to the abolishment of slavery trade successively between 1877 and 1884. Slavery itself was not abolished, but it gradually died out after the abolition of the slave trade, since no new slaves could be legally acquired, and excisting slaves where given the right to apply for freedom. Just imagine how modernised and industrialised and culturally tolerant and religious freedom Egypt would be if the Arab Muslims had not colonized and conquered Egypt.. Egypt unfortunately is a backward country because of Islam. Just like every nation, they colonized and introduced Islam to it, Islam is a 6th century cult like demonic religion.
According to available data there are still millions of native Berber speakers in Maghreb, so the process of Arabization is far from complete. The linguistic situation is quite complex there, as French was also introduced as a colonial language in the 19th century and despite the efforts and policies of arabization introduced after the independence 60 years ago, the language is still present and widely spoken. Along with the recent Berber revival it makes the overall linguistic situation in the region very interesting.
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I am an Indian Hindu woman who has been friends with Syrian, Moroccan, Iranian women (all mostly Sunni Muslims) in the Gulf for almost half of my life, I still do after returning to India. I am from the Dravidian civilization of the South, who speak Dravidian languages. Similar to Arabic in Islam, Sanskrit in Hinduism penetrated Dravidian languages, but not much, like 10-20% of vocab. Our languages are such, that we can write our Dravidian languages without any foreign influence because our rulers promoted Dravidian languages along with Sanskrit. We have literature spanning 3 millenia and managed to retain our languages and culture, because we have had centralised States early on. Despite being Hindus, we Dravidians have our own gods and we also worship war heroes/heroines. The Aryans Hindus, North of the country have their own languages, descending from Sanskrit and worship their own gods as well. I guess, this is because Hinduism is not a religion, but a group of philosophies which binds us idolaters, thiests, deists, athiests, agnostics together. The oldest atheistic book was written by a Hindu sage called Ashtavakra indeed. Not saying Islam is lesser in any regard, but amazighs were a victim of politics. Some ride through turbulent seas, some barely save themselves from sinking.
This is such an interesting & well explained comment. I'm a Britsh Indian woman, I don't know a lot about Indian history but I noticed vast differences in language between south & north India just from listening to speakers but so fascinating to know about the role of sanskrit. You've inspired me to delve deeper.
“An interesting historical fact: many of the conquerors during the Islamic expansion into North Africa originated from regions within the Caliphate of Damascus, including present-day Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Yemen. If we trace back even further in history, it raises the question-weren’t these lands once home to the Phoenicians, an ancient seafaring civilization known for their influence across the Mediterranean?” So basically they gave North Africa for the second time a civilisation but this time the with Islam and its language a centred as the it’s the language of the Holy Quran 🪬
Very sad, I am Algerian and Islam was forced on us. We had our own language, our own religion and our own ways. Now that I've left Islam and If I ever went back, I would be killed for leaving Islam. Sad that I will never be able to go home again.
Who has been killed for leaving Islam recently ? I know people from the Eglise protestante d Algérie who are apostate of islam. Their churches are closed, they can be imprisoned but I never hear of anyone having been killed.
As an Algerian of amazigh descent but who's culturally Arab, I salute you for such a great and thorough analysis the likes of which cannot be found in official history curricula anywhere in North Africa. Thank you.
Thank you for this appreciate comment. What I have learnt throughout the few years I have spent on this planet is that the one who wishes to know will find answers. Simply because all the questions we ask ourselves, from the most trivial to the deepest ones, have usually already been answered. You just need to research. Ibn Khaldoun's book "تاريخ البربر والعرب في شمال إفريقيا" is full of extremely interesting historical elements, notably regarding the Awraba tribe. Thank you for visiting the channel. All the best to you, Mohammed!
@@renlan9624 I believe I'm the best placed person to describe myself. No one knows the best words to describe me better than I do, and those words are culturally arab. I grew up speaking Arabic, watching Arabic TV shows made or dubbed in Arab countries. I am very fond of Arab poetry and literature. I wasn't even aware of my amazigh (Kabyle to be specific) heritage until last year when a friend sent me a book about the lineages of families in lesser kabyly (from where I apparently descend). So no, I'm not arabized. My ancestors probably were arabized, but me, I'm Arab (again, culturally, not ethnically).
I’d really like to get some more insight. I’m working on animating African history around the 13th century (mainly the fall of the Ghana empire and rise of Mali mixed with their complex relationship with the Amazigh and Arabs. Great video❤
7:40 awesome drawing… I have to wonder what that life was like. From what I've read Bedouin Christians are near extinction. The sights the sounds the richness must have been something to behold.
We are independent Amazighs with our language and culture, and many of us still preserve it despite all the marginalization that has befallen us. No matter how long the time, the authentic will always remain authentic. Free peoples never die.
Excellent talk, I don't know if you're familiar with Frank Herbert's DUNE but I was told that Fremen is a direct translation of Freeman in one of the Berber languages. How true would you say this is?
That's an interesting question. Unfortunately, I cannot answer. I don't know any of the Amazigh variations :) However, there are many speakers in the comments. Maybe try your luck with one of them?
I noticed some kind of similarities with english, but who knows, like imagine in Arabic " Earth " is "ard" same as english, and earth isn't a borrowed word from Arabic as Giraffe or alcohol or else but it's an old english and germanic word, and same for Arabic "Ard" is an old word.
Great video on a great topic that is seldom discussed. TY (immediate and enthusiastic subscription, of course). I beg to disagree with you on Latin only spreading to Indoeuropean areas: many non-Indoeuropeans were also very strongly Latinized (Etruscans, Ligurians, Sardinians, Corsicans, Iberians and Tartessians at the very least), while some remote Indoeuropeans like the Britons retained their language until today (Welsh). In North Africa we know that the Latinization of the former Phoenician cities was quite strong and that at least the elites spoke Latin regularly, for example Septimius Severus (the first not-really Italian Roman Emperor, who had an accent anyhow) or Augustin of Hippo, whose texts show that North African Latin had the same "betacist" tendency (confusing "v" and "b") as Iberian one (Omniglot had a good video on that). Latin linguistic hegemony continued under the Vandals and Byzantines (who had not yet shifted to Greek as official language) but was of course limited to whatever the actual borders of Africa province were. As for foreign arrivals through history a key marker is Y-DNA J2, which may signal Semitic or even Roman immigration (J2 was spread into West Europe mostly by Roman settlement for sure but in North Africa is more likely to signify Phoenician or Arab inflow, I guess), Turkish settlement would also be associated. Asmahan Bekada, Lara R. Arauna et al. ("Genetic Heterogeneity in Algerian Human Populations", PLoS ONE 2015) found only very low frequencies of this outsider lineage in Algeria, concentrated in Algiers (6% in one sample, 0% in the other) and Oran (5% in one sample, 1% in the other), elsewhere it was absent. An older study from the same main author (Asmahan Bekada et al., "Introducing the Algerian Mitochondrial DNA and Y-Chromosome Profiles into the North African Landscape", PLoS ONE 2013) found (table S6) 5% J2 in Algeria, 3% in Tunisia (surprisingly low IMO), 1% in Morocco and 0% in Libya. All this supports what you said in the video about the small figures of the various invader groups, especially the Arabs. Best wishes from the Basque Country.
Thank you so much for this very informative comment! I sincerily appreciate it. The study I read indicated that Latin had tended to take root on IE substrates, while it was the opposite for Arabic. But it's interesting to know that non-IE peoples were indeed latinised. I don't know much, not to say anything at all, about the genetics of the people you mentioned, but thank you for sharing the information.
@@nofridaynightplans - I concur that IE peoples, most of them of the same Celto-Italic stock as the Latins, would have been more easily assimilated not just in language but in culture by the Romans but the Etruscans and the Iberians/Tartessians were more civilized and that's also a gateway by which the overall Roman civilization (and language) penetrated, following on the steps of the more modest Phocaean Greek colonies (Marseilles notably, very adept at befriending the Iberians and Ligurians and bumping heads with the Phoenicians and Celts). The Iberians and ancient Sardinians were Vasconic (i.e. related to Basques and descendants from mainline European Neolithic peoples of Anatolian roots) for sure, the Ligurians probably too but there is debate for lack of evidence, the Tartessians are a mystery but definitely pre-Indoeuropean. The Etruscans were a very different group (Tyrsenians, also documented in Lemnos), probably from the Aegean, also pre-Indoeuropean and were key in the formation of Rome, which they ruled for a long time and gave many cultural elements, including the precursor of this very Latin alphabet we're using. A phonetic fact that may have ever so slightly helped with Latinization in the case of Vasconic peoples is the shared five vowel system. Most Romances have now diverged from that but Spanish (Castilian) notably retains it very well (save for long vowels not anymore in use) and that's surely because it has strong Basque influence. Some ancient Roman whose name I can't recall said that the Aquitanii (as Basques were known in those days) spoke a very good Latin, while in Rome apparently almost everyone did it wrongly. This may have been because of similar phonetics, I guess. But the main factor is IMO how strongly were the Romans invested in each province and district. Places like Baetica (Andalusia), where Italian colonization was very strong (about 20% of Andalusian ancestry seems to be Roman/Italian) Latin surely became dominant very quickly, while in remote areas like Mauretania, Britain or NW Spain/SW France, that Latin education was surely limited to the elites at best. In North Africa there must have been a strong distinction between Africa Province, especially the Phoenician cities, and Mauritania and other relatively remote areas, where Roman domination was lax and perceived as distant.
@@nofridaynightplans - I used to have a blog on the wider issues of prehistory, population genetics and general anthropology, which has some articles and references on the matter and others. However nowadays posting any links at YT comments seems to be totally shadow-censored (i.e. your comment seems to go through and then vanishes, sometimes you can even get "spam" warnings). In my experience even naming the blog (which absolutely legit and hosted by Blogger, i.e. Alphabet, the same company that owns YT) results in the same kind of shadow-censored. So I'll give you the details (no links) in separate replies you might be able to read as notification but will almost certainly be deleted anyhow.
@@nofridaynightplans - Search for a blog called "For what they were... we are" and, once there, search for "ancient Iberians" or something like that. There's a chronological index at the bottom right but it's many years long. Searching for "Sardinians" or "Basque origins" should also produce interesting results. Cheers.
The Berbers are semitic as well! Just like JEWS and ARABS derive from one people... the Berbers originate from the same people. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL! Deal with it!
We are not Arabized and will never be , we will remain free until the end of time ! Edit : saying that the Phoniceans founded Carthage is very disrespectful and is misleading and straight false
Lies, Amazigh are Algerians and native to Algeria, morroco is not amazigh, only few people of the north as it belonged to Algeria, Numedia ( Algeria today) used to own all of north africa, morrocans are a mixture of immigrants from senegal and yemenite jews, and the north used to be its own land, it got colonised in the 70's along side sahara occidental, the cities od morrocan are no more than 800 years old and it was Algerian civilizations who created them: the Mohahid, the Zenatti, the Merinides, the wattassi, the saadinite...they named them and they were the ones who built their historical monuments, the country of morroco didn't exist until 1910 it was hubert Lieuté a french lieutenant who created it and put a random guy as a king over it, everything traditional in morroco including: cuisine, clothing, sewing, broderie, potterie...is Algerian, Algerians are the ones who taught them everything they know today, and they're still learning, Amazigh date way back then 9 bc by thousands of years, shishnak an Algerian amazigh took even the throne in Egypt and became a pharaoh, and they don't come from Phoenician's, its their own kind, in fact they found that their language tifinagh is the oldest written language in the world, it was found carbed on a rock, same for Tunisian they're immigrants from Lebanon
Thank you. Your support is greatly appreciated. I would just like to indicate that this channel explores a wide variety of topics on languages and is not exclusively dedicated to North Africa. I was truly eager to try to understand why some people tend to abandon their languages in favour of another and made this video with this objective in mind. Thank you for your kind comment. All the best to you.
Islamization accompanied by Arabization have also affected other regions a little further south of the Maghreb such as Sudan and Chad. If you can produce a video as exciting and instructive as this one, it would be TOP
an other nonsense, Arabs migrated to those places taking their language with them. People in that Area speak Arabic because they have Arab ancestors. Why don't you talk about Anglization of America ?
@ Could be true if Arabs were already in Egypt before the expansion of Islam which I didn't do research on but Christianity reached Egypt Sudan Eriteria-Ethiopia way before 7th century (the start of Islam)
@@btin1791 the arabs were the first Christians as it is written in Acts. The first Christian kingdom in the world was the arab Abgarid kingdom in modern day Syria and Turkey. Arab presence in Egypt has been documented in Egypt, Sudan and Eritrea since the time of Herodotus, long before Christianity
@@PhilipusArabus Why would an 'Arab' bring Christianity to other countries? Do you mean the Arabic language? Christians in the Holy Land speak Arabic, too. Please help me understand. Thanks. :)
@@sesay3168 outliers or people telling the truth and if you don't believe me look up st Augustine and while yes you had tribes that accepted it you and tribes that fought against the uymmad caliphate.
So… you’re an Algerian Berber but you don’t identify with it? 🤔 That’s interesting… so, you identify solely as your religion? So…in essence, your actual heritage means nothing to you? You only care about the religion that was forced upon your descendants many centuries ago? Ok. ✌🏽 Also… religion wasn’t the entire focus of this video, or even the subject of the discussion. You’re an Algerian Berber, you say. That’s your ethnicity and nationality. A totally different subject than your religion, Islam, of which practitioners are called Muslims, and which was forced upon ancient Berbers centuries ago.
Pan Arabism before used to advocate if you spoke Arabic and embraced the identity, then you are Arabic. Sadly this is changing with loss of that way of thinking. Now we are all busy with our own little problems
Many don't understand that since Arabic is a semitic language berbers could easily learn it. The benefits of knowing Arabic in many areas is that many tribes had different dialects that were very almost non-mutually intelligible. So in order to understand each other either one tribe had to learn the dialect of the other tribe they are dealing with or the opposite. Since there were not just 2 but more tribes with different dialects Arabic was very useful in that way that it helped that everyone understood each other. Same also counts for Middle Eastern countries like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon where Assyrian, Aramaic and other languages where spoken that whose respectively language systems where not unified. Since at the time of the so called "Arabization" process there were also Arabs among the people in those countries and through the Golden Age of Islam where Islam taught in Arabic and the quran was used as a standard Arabic reference book, people used Arabic as a language to communcate with each other. Since Arabic was at that time relatively standarzised it offered also in this part of the region benefits. So although there could be some forced Arabization it was never done systematically. Arabic just offered in those times benefits what other languages didn't and since it is a semitic language it was adopted by other Semitic language speaking tribes (like Assyrians) as their language of choice. This process was a gradual process of course. English offers a similar example. Many people around the world use it today to understand other language speaking persons. In Amsterdam for example you can live without speaking any Dutch just by speaking English. Dutch people can also learn English relatively fast since Dutch and English hare many similarities.
This video is NOT about race. It is ONLY about language.
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Berberic and old arabic languages share many words that you can only find now in berber language...it's widely believed that😮😂😂 the origins of berbers is east Mediterranean sea and Arab peninsula including yemen migrated thru the Mediterranean and etheopia and also from Egypt...so ethnically the are of Arab origins.
Berberic language is a slang of old arabic language which is the mother of Semitic languages...
Hebrew also is a slang of old arabic language😂
@@nofridaynightplans linguistic ? What is the linguistic origin of Berber language ?
@@Aladin-r8t
It descended from heaven????
Im a amazigh from the riff mountains of the city alhoceima. I can confirm that we are not arabized. We still speak our own language and have our culture.
Salam ayoma. ✌️
I grow up in nador but am from tinghir so I speak the both dialects of amazigh
@@abenqlf6359 wa alaikum sallam zi bni Bouayach 😁✌️
Warning. There is abvious propaganda driven in misrepresenting the antiquity period of North Africa. Dismissing the long lasted and string Numidia is suspicious. Similarly, western Numidia (labelled céder Ian Mauretania) has nothing to do with tangitine mauretania. I suspect the author is participating to the lying myth-building project of Morocco. Please beware
Then why people don't recognize it,but Arabic is recognized maybe you were colonize and reversed.A language define a people without your language who are you?
As an amazigh myself a Zenati. I confirm Arabs never arabized us, WE habe arabized ourselves and became more Arabic fanatics than Arabs. The first state who forced the population to convert to Islam and speak Arabic were the Almoravid dynasty who were Amazigh.
And it's not something strange to us. Seeing today how much we adore french and teach it to our kids, and speak French even in our bedroom. It's US.
To moroccans that are Arab or amazigh. Studies like these seek to seed devide and hatred. Dear Moroccans, I remember amazigh people are also in part of the semetic people. These studies are only published to spread divide and hatred.
Exactly
That's the best answer I saw in a long time
alhamdulillah for the arabs, they brought us greatness, unfortunately it didn't last forever
@adamelghalmi9771
Allah who brought Hidayah. Not Arabs. Arabs (the conquerors) had different goals.
@@adamelghalmi9771 they didn't brought us anything but Islam
The French also helped in the arabization process by making it the State language in Morocco. In fact, Tamazight was spoken by around 80% of the population, whereas, after the withdrawal of the French from Morocco, it had been reduced to around 60%
This is probably true when it comes to the modern institutions of the State (e.g., compulsary education) .But the Moroccan State has a long history and must have had a State language before that. It's impossible it was Amazigh in any way, shape or form since it is not a unified language (1) and most importantly none of the variations can serve as a literary language since they aren't written.
The linguistic issue in Morocco has mostly served the interests of the ruling class after independance since Arabic is the official language in schools, including for the native Amazigh speakers. Yet when entering universities, everyone is supposed to know French. Everyone was (is?) confused, hence all the powerful positions remain in the hands of the few. Great strategy for the ruling class but questionable choice for the people.
@@nofridaynightplans I agree with you. The language policy of Arabic and French mainly hurts Tamazight speakers. However, there were attempts to unify the language in the middle ages, but they largely failed, mainly due to the collapse of the Amazigh dynasties that were pushing them.
First time I've heard of these efforts. I'd be really grateful if you could share sources for me to read as the issue interests me a lot. Thank you!
@@nofridaynightplans the book is called Berbers and the Islamic State
Is the author Maya Shatzmiller?
Absolutely not , we are not Arabs , we are Amazigh and speak our language, from Algeria with pride ,we fought to keep our identity
then stop speaking french or spanish.
Merci.
They can speak French or Spanish if they want to.
@@Oryxnations Speaking French & Spanish is more admirable than Arroubic (Syrian gypsy dialect spoken by those responsible for their Berber queen being beheaded, local languages disappearing, obvious cultural degradation, etc.) The negative consequences of even "tolerating" Arroub Supremacy in their land is so great that it is a testament to the mind-control aka *ummah spell* the pitiable North Africans are under.
@@mmgxo Arabic is the most superior language in existence, nothing come close to its eloquence, descriptive and poetry.
Nothing you can say will change that its an objective fact.
Also Arabs are a noble people, your slander only shows your own inferiority complex.
As a Vietnamese guy whose dating an Algerian woman, I always give the analogy to curious MENA people that *Chinese vs. Vietnamese* are just like *Arabs vs. Berbers* or *Romans vs. Celts.*
One group conquered and influenced the other, but never fully "assimilated" them; as the latter still have their local "native" languages and customs.
Good take, it's always one ethnic group conquering another and trying to assimilate it to its culture and values.
You completely skip the history of fierce resistance. Am not familiar with the Chinese vs. Vietnamese history, but I doubt it can be compared to the other two: Romans vs. Celts/Celto-Germans, Germans laid the cornerstone for European supremacy because in the end Rome was sacked by the “Barbarians“. The Arabic conquering tactics (military invasion but as well treaties - Byzantine Egypt had not yet recovered from another Sassanian attack and Christian Nubia (Nobatia) were never conquered but the Arab armies were fiercely defeated & a treaty was required. Therefore, numerous events gradually weakened the power structure of the entire continent in the end. Despite Islam being widespread in Asia, the continent is not under Arabic domination.
It’s not the same amazighs are an African tribe of people Arabs are not from Africa they are from the Arabian peninsula… Arabs and Amazigh are not related peoples … eg Chinese and Vietnamese are orientals Romans are Latins celtics are not so there are no comparisons here …..
@@tahliah6691 100%, the real imazighens are the African tribes of Tuaregs and zenaga of senegal. These Yemeni Arabs are appropriating this amazigh ldentity and language from the Tuaregs. Even the script they use currently is directly copied from the Tuaregs.
@@tahliah6691Do you have any brains. Vietnamese is a different ethnic and linguistic group than chinese. Even I as an indian know that. There is even difference in genetics
It is worth mentioning that Turkey itself was "turkified", with the arrival of turkic peoples to Anatolia which was previously populated by other indigenous people such as the Armenians, Greeks, Assyrians, etc.
Edit: Ok I was maybe wrong about the term "indigenous" being used for Greeks and Assyrians, but it's definitely true for Armenians and Kurds (if you look at Eastern Anatolia). And yeah, the other ethnic groups of the region like the Hittites were hellenized.
Thanks for this comment - gives me ideas for the future.
Not only turkiye also same situation with USA, AUSTRALIA, NEW ZEALAND
@@maddymax9359Yep, it’s pretty much the same…
Greeks are not indigenous people of Anatolia. The Anatolian nations were the indigenous people. Hittites, Lydians, Karians, Lykians etc. These nations were speaking Anatolian languages (such as Luwian) not Greek. Greek came from the other side of Aegean sea and Hellenised the whole Anatolia, with trade colonies first and later by conquest. I am really surprise a few people know about this. Similarly, Assyrian are not orginally from Anatolia. They spread via Assyrian Empire's extensive conquests.
@ Fair point. But that still doesn’t justify what happened to these groups living there when the process of assimilation began.
A great video! My Amazigh friends in San Francisco introduced me to the historic differences across North Africa. The centuries of unspeakable violence that characterized the entire Mediterranean since Antiquity have still not subsided. I wish so much self-determination was respected by and for everyone.
before the 19th century, self determination was a laughable joke.
@@adamelghalmi9771 That notion doesn't account for the great rebellions of Vercingetorix, Arminius, Spartacus or Viriathus. The passions of tribes and societies throughout history prove that all peoples detest subjugation, and will try when possible to direct their own futures without external interference. I wouldn't call that a laughable joke.
@@prototropo well no shit, but that's not what you'd call self determination. arminius could be the exception, but he could barely hold the tribes together for a couple of years before the romans came and burnt everything to the ground.
نعم الصورة من قبيلة عربية جزائرية نايلية يجب ان يتعلم المراريك ان لا يخلطوا بين التاريخ الخاص بهم والتاريخ الخاص بالجزائر دائما مايسرقون كل ماهو جزائري ليعبروا عن أنفسهم 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄@كوكي-ي8ك
Tell him to man up instead of presenting us as "vi ctim" We are Amazigh, a stubborn people who will never give up on our identity. Nevertheless we are proud m slim too. Hamdulliah for I slam❤
I'am algerian, we still speak Berber, my grandparents don't speak a word of Arabic and it's the same for all the seniors throughout the city.
I'm a light skin native berber indigenous from the southern of Morocco far from the anti atlas mountains by 200 klm but we can stell look at the beginning of the anti atlas mountains series from a far and is snowy from the very far distance my native berber tribe with other over 50 native berbers tribes all of them speak Tamazight language from the extent of 20 klm and most of the families of this tribes every married couple got over 5 kids to 8 kids the maximum and the anti atlas mountains there's over than 3300k berbers native tribes
That means you are of mixed blood, and not a true African. You have Arab and European blood. Light skin my foot!
@@Njoofene Israeli pfp is a weird race scientist, how surprising.
You are as lndigenous as the french and spanish settlers there. You're original homeland is Yemen, You settled in this area with Arabian expansion.
@@moorishsociety7339 the real moors are a northern Moroccan berber tribe not arabs
@@moorishsociety7339 secondly no we berbers have nothing to do with yemen we literally are more related to sami people of sweden than to Yemenites
As Amazigh kabyle from north Algeria we are not arabised at all. Actually we talk Tamazight language better than any other amazighs people in north Africa..
Alhamdulilah for Islam that raises and honors men and women where ever it goes regardless of culture and race.
As a Turk this is extremely interesting. I had always wondered about arabization in north africa, thank you for the video
love y'all from morocco
You are turkified, 80% if not 90% of turks are of greek ancestry, keep your nose away from north africa turkified greek
@BrahimS03 greek are mostly anatolian ancestry and turks are a mix of anatolian and turkic dumbass lol you think look at some data. Also don't talk about noses you nafri arab
@Poultry499 You, are berber, not US, you can be a monkey if you want but do not represent US as you wish, berber amazigh whatever you call it, am not having it, am arab, thank you
@@BrahimS03Turks are Persian / Anatolian not Greek
Incredibly well presented. Very good balance of nuanced information without being overly simplistic all while remaining neutral on the topic and not making bold claims. Looking forward to seeing more like this :)
Thank you so much! Appreciated. It’s a complex issue and I learnt a lot too.
Just to be clear to you. The vast members of this "Amazigh movement" are ethnic Arabs who have Yemeni origin. The real amazigh are the Tuaregs (who speak the purest amazigh dialect). These arabs are highjacking the amazigh ldentity by appropriating the tuareg language and script as heritage if their own.
incredibly full of historic, anthropolgic and linguistic lies. An insult for every north afrixan. . worth reporting but let ignorance reign
@@moorishsociety7339 Zero Arroub$ were "from Yemen". They are originally from the Syrian Desert/edge of Mesopotamia. Squatting somewhere doesn't make you a local.
I find it hilarious that my first encounter with this channel is on a Friday night when I don't have plans aside from sleeping 😂
Syrians iraqis lebanese Palestinians Egyptians jordan morrocco tunisia libya algeria sudan ..etc are not arabs. The arabs are from south saudi arabia yemen oman kuwait uae Bahrain
أتفق معك
*You are right 💯👍*
@كوكي-ي8ك No counterpoint argument, your the one who should go back to sleep
Good point ☝️ if they are not Muslim especially
Very chill and entertaining to watch at 2 am lol hope you're doing well and that your channel takes off 🎉
Thank you! Appreciated!
@@nofridaynightplansI speak Arabic and lived in Morocco, casablanca and Tanger, for a couple of years; and I do think that you yourself are of Moroccan descent. It's all there 😊
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@lebladful Do you have any suggested literature I could check out on the subject? I am genuinely curious in learning more about this history from the people themselves rather than from institutions and experts that trace their records back to arguably ongoing imperialist institutions.
Tunisian-Moroccan Berber here...and proud♥️ DNA is 75% North African. And some Andalous & Italy.
No arab precentage.
You can be proud of that
your dna is 80% Arab
Congratulations!!
Same iam 80% berber with some Iberian too
Which proves her colonial narrative is nonsense
Met people from North Africa over the years and first thing they usually say is something along the lines of “we aren’t called berbers that’s a slur, we are Amazigh” met people who can speak the Amazigh language also who have explained to me that the “L” and “R” sounds are similar to English which made the language easier for them to learn. They don’t identify as Arabs and Arab people seem to view them as different, according to my friends
i identify as an arab, even if i am not arab ethnically and i speak an amazigh dialect as a dual language with arabic
Thank you bro. Proud amazigh
@@adamelghalmi9771I am Chinese and look alike Chinese and identify as Arab
@@adamelghalmi9771 Well your "decision" to identify as an Arrouub is contributing to the destruction of Amazigh legacy. The greatest irony.
@@funandfun-xy4ez Hahaha, very funny comment! Thank you for the laugh.
I have been looking for an answer to that question for many years, as a Moroccans I am pretty sure that the Amazigh gens is more spread than the Arabic ones, however this fact don't stand when speaking of languages is. For example in Tangier of Marrakech most people have at least on Amazigh parent yet they don't speak their language as in my case. Probably 100% arabic moroccans exist in small numbers maybe between 10% to 20% of the population, because as you said the arab migration into Morocco is very small by numbers and could not demographically change the society. Which means most of Moroccans are originally Amazigh even if they don't speak the language.
I’m going to tell you a little story. I was travelling in the Atlas Mountains some time ago and I met a Moroccan couple from Casablanca. He was a native Tachelchit speaker from Tata and she was a native Darija speaker from the big city. When they spoke to each other, they obviously spoke in Darija. I love language learning and pretty much anything related to languages, so it is no wonder I ended up thinking: ‘Oh, if they have a child, the little one will end up unable to speak Tachelhit’. Why? Because being born in Casablanca will mean growing up in an environment where Darija dominates. Not because nobody speaks Tamazight, Tarifit or Tachelhit there (far from that), but rather because the city has become a melting pot of Moroccans coming from every corner of the kingdom and they will obviously resort to the lingua franca (i.e., Darija) when talking to each other. So, unless the father from Tata makes sure to compel the kid to talk back to him in Tachelhit (which won’t necessarily work since the parents will speak Darija to each other), it is likely the child won’t speak the language and their offspring won’t either… That’s how languages are killed. How many Moroccan or Algerian families experienced similar patterns? Countless ones, undoubtedly. And you apparently also belong to one of them.
But it is not something specific to Morocco - of course not. It is a natural phenomenon that always happens in a multilingual environment: only the most widespread languages survive. As I said in my video about French in Africa, the rapid urbanization of the continent is unfortunately accelerating this pattern.
As someone who’s so fond of languages, I regret it a lot. And would encourage anyone to preserve their languages whenever possible.
Thank you for your comment!
You know that many Berbers live in Europe for 3 generations and still speak tamazigd. It is a very easy language. I had Moroccan friend and I learned the basics very fast. And we spoke in our secret language sometimes when we made a joke lol. A very easy language to speak. Especially the basics.
As a black person, one is led to believe North Africa is Arab, and the ancient Kemet battle seems to be between blacks and Arabs, this video confirms Arabs weren't around in Africa pre -7th century like that at all, but these Amazighs were. So in some ways this has cleared things I never knew up for me, even if I dislike term Carthage and Phonecian which really just means people who originated from Canaan right (You can correct me if I'm wrong)? I have recently heard of the Tuaregs due to the capture of Niger, Mali and Burkino Faso. But all those beautiful names like Ifriqiya and Amazigh makes me proud of Africa. You knew I have never been comfortable with Arabs in Africa, but the Amazighs just sound indigenous and beautifully North African. Power to the people, keep your native language and identity going. Wow there is so much to learn about Africa and African history.
the Berbers are descendants of the Visigoths from Europe they and the Amazigh are also foreigners to the region
Unbiased, informative and easy to follow.
I have to thank my algorithm for showing your video. Thank you for well in depth analysis
Me too! I have no idea how this popped up in my feed, but I'm glad it did!
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Arabised? Lmfao are you serious. Call it colonization, just as you would if any other group had done it. The Berbers have forgotten their own language and now pray to another people's god. They were colonized. Call it what it is.
Not all Berbers have forgotten their own language, but yeah it's a colonisation.
The Berbers were conquered, then willingly accepted the truth of Islam, then they rebelled against their conquerors, then they themselves became conquerors taking over places like Iberia and West Africa. There is only one God and he is everyone's God, just that some are too arrogant to believe.
And as someone who actually lives in North Africa, I can assure you that they did not forget their language 💪🇲🇦
I think colonization refers to like exploiting the resources and not becoming natives(?) of that land? For example the Europeans colonized USA even when it had racially European people. Replacing almost the entire population by Arab is Arabization. It's like Christians colonized the Nordic countries while infact it was actually Christianized. I am being respectful and I expect civilized discussions regarding this.
@@Ani-13-w8d Arabisation happened when Arab language and culture was spread in North Africa, the native population was absolutely not replaced by Arabs because it was impossible even if Arabs wanted to and because Berbers are still the majority of people until this day.
@@Ani-13-w8d oh I agree with you about colonisation, I just replied to your comment by mistake.
As for results from Wikipedia they're not to be taken too seriously as DNA evidence shows how dominant Berber blood is in North Africa, and since I know my country and its tribes better than other countries then I'll speak about it, around 60% of tribes in Morocco are of Berber lineage, it's just that in big cities Arabic and French are in use for administration while Berber languages are just spoken amongst ethnic Berbers who learn it since childhood, but unfortunately in many cases native languages (including Moroccan Arabic) get sidelined over time in favour of French.
Great video! I loved the thorough narration of the historical events. One remark however, as an Amazigh Kabyle from Algeria, i think you could've made the video longer if you addew that the post-European colobiql history of arabization and berber identity as it didn't stop at the migration of Bedouin arabs into the area, in fact, in the case of Algeria, the role of the post-independance gov played a huge role in the linguistic and ethnic dynamics especially since it was ruled for 2 decades by the pan-Arabist Boumediene-led FLN government. Boumediene effectively denigrated the assimilation of Berbers into algerian identity (especially Kabyles whom made up nearly a third of the national population, this defacto illegalization of the language made the prospects of arabization futher becoming al obligation, which culminated in the Berber Spring. Kabyle and Berber identities at large did recover, but the holdover from that period can still be felt, as you still have people who are visibly berber or of amazigh descent claiming that they "came from Yemen"
Thank you for this interesting contribution. I'll do better next time :) This could be a good topic for a subsequent video. All the best to you.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
Thank you so much. I admire Amazigh culture and I am always keen to learn more.
There are Amazighs in Mali too.
Oh great stuff, used to spend a lot of time with Maghreb people of all sorts (Kabyle, Arab Algerians etc) and was always puzzled about this question, but none of them were able to give me a compelling explanation. Thank you !
About 40% of Persian literature is Arabic words ,,, and the Turkish language is a mixture of Persian, Arabic, and French ,,, and the French language is a product of Gallo-Romance dialects , while English is a product of Old English, Danish, Norse, and French, and has been changed by Latin, Greek, Arabic , Chinese, Hindi, Japanese, Dutch and Spanish, along with some words from other languages .
Ok…? 🤔
Most languages are influenced by other languages. That’s just common sense and it’s something that’s going to happen naturally. Even Tamil and Korean have many similar words… due to supposed ancient history, with an Indian princess marrying a Korean ruler, or something. But if you look at international borders, regional accents of different languages, and different cultural traditions, they flow and influence one another, and change gradually as one travels. For example, if you traveled west from Japan all the way to the Iberian Peninsula, you’d see influence and interchange between borders. Or if you went from India north through Siberia, look at all the regions and how they flow into each other. Japan flows into China, Korea, and East Asia, and vice versa. China flows into the Central and West Asian cultures, which are also influenced by Russians to the north and Persians and Arabs to the south, and Turkic peoples, too. The Middle East and Levant flows into Anatolia, which flows into the Balkans, which flows into the Adriatic, which flows into Italy, which flows into the south of France, which flows into Spain and Portugal. You could literally look at hundreds of scenarios like this. So yeah, languages are always influenced by their neighbors or "colleagues".
@@erikm8372Marrying the princess is not the correct Statement. Tamils live in the coast. And near the coast they would trade a lot. A lot of buddhist monks from India would visit foreign people and vice versa which resulted in several shared words b/w each other. It's dumb how people almost always forget trade influence
Lol...what a soup !!!
Primordial soup...but turkish is not what you mentioned above ...turkish is a horse of a different color...
Kalimera from kalamata
Shah tried to purificate the Persian language from Arab and and Turkic borrowings by exchanging them to the native Persian from Middle Persian Sassanid period. But you've got so called Islamic Revolution and all tryings came to an end.
Turkish is a mixture of Arabic, Persian and French? The frequent use of Arabic or Persian words in daily language may mislead those who don't know Turkish, but for this expression to be correct, each of them must constitute at least one third of Turkish. However, at least 80% of Turkish vocabulary is original Turkic. That's why even today we can easily understand the vast majority of Turkic texts written 1500 years ago, and we can communicate without a translator with the Yakuts who speak their own Turkic language in Siberia, thousands of kilometers away from us.
Arab bedouins did not arabize Amazigh people because Arab bedouins were slaughtered by the Marinids, arabization of some tribes is ascribed to arab bedouin women enslaved by the Marinids.
just some poor riyahids in morocco, actually the marinids were brutally crushed in 1347 in kairouan by the bedouins read about it, and they also get defeated by the bedouins in eastern algeria and in tlemcen in 1369, cope harder ,no way women can arabize an entire tribe and also WOMP WOMP RIO DE SALADO 1340 and don't forget your princesses were captured by the arabs and the spaniards
@كوكي-ي8ك The Barbarian is actually you who has been arabized and your sister with your master Saudi Arab 😂
@@mahdimehdi445 Ibn Khaldun literally said: Marinids slaughtered the Arab bedouins until extinction and enslaved their women.
@@hannibal7barca yeah that's the riyah arabs in tamesna, the marinids themselves had their own arab allies (khult and fezara) so no they didn't , also ibn khaldon was meeting with several arab tribes in algeria and tunisia ,if they went extinct how they can exist in his era? and with this logic we can say the spaniards exterminated the amazigh because the almohad army in las navas de tolosa was brutally slaughtered by the crusader with a rate of 80% one of the highest in history ,it was a massacre not a battle
@كوكي-ي8ك غالطة فالبنادم
Nice video. I see Pakistanis trying to arabise (and also anglicise) themselves and its so cringe. We arent white, we arent arab.
Somalia right again..
@@shafsteryellow Somalia will never be Arrub. Do not even mention it, so disturbing to even fathom.
Your problem is that Pakistanis are fanatical followers of an Arab cult of an Arab man. One that freezes you in the customs and mores of the 7th century.
You have the eternal and unalterable word of Allah and you have a "perfect" man to slavishly follow and emulate. You are forced to believe that on pain of an unpleasant and painful end.
That sucks. You are the slave of a harsh master, not a loving father and your perfect messenger was s€× obsessed pdf.file who married a 6 year old baby, the wife of his adopted son. A warrior who, with his own hands or sword, unalived countless people. A man who had no qualms to make and trade slaves.
The list of his imperfections and immorality is very long.
Be better than that.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
@@mmgxo did you understand what I said
Watching internal always feels like having you really interesting discussion with a wise, old friend. 😊 Love this videos, also because they tell me a lot of stories about languages and regions that I usually don't hear about. Please, please do make more of these!
Interesting video and interesting comments. A lot of people think she’s talking about ethnicity when she clearly states that she’s talking about languages. From my experience of going back and forth to Morocco everyone speaks an Arabic dialect while doing business and dealings in public spaces. Then of course people speak different in their homes or around people who speak similar to them.
One of the best (and most uncommon) things about RUclips is when you come across a video that addresses a topic that you've wondered about for a long time. Ever since I learned (some 45-50 years ago) that north Africa was populated by "Arabs" (and that this is apparently the reason everyone separates "sub-Saharan Africa" from North Africa), I've wondered why this is, how far back it went that these people were known as Arabs. I remember watching Anwar Sadat on television and trying to figure out if he "looked" Arab. In short, this topic has been in the back of my mind for a long time. I hoped someday that a little missing piece of a jigsaw puzzle would fall into place, answering this old question of mine.
But alas, it was not to be. Young Miss No Friday Night Plans, while doing an expert job at addressing this question, also made it clear there was no one moment when the Berbers became Arabs. History is messy, and this story was messy, and so while I found no joy in learning the answer, I do take comfort at now being a bit more knowledgeable than I was. Thank you.
Thank you for your comment and support - appreciated. The main point of the video is to determine why some, here North Africans, abandoned their languages in favor of another. As I specify in the video, arabised is to be understood as "a region where Arabic became the dominant language". North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse peoples on the planet for objective historical reasons.
An acquaintance of mine used to say that, despite being Chleuh and thus a native speaker of Tachelhit, he was proud to be an "Arab" because being Arab is defined as "having an excellent command of the Arabic language". This was the main motto of Panarabism. In this video, I have stated the objective historical reasons why the Amazigh tribes usually favored Arabic in the development of their State tradition. It is unfortunate this whole comment section has turned into a feud in favor of one ethnic group against another.
Thank you again for your support.
As an Amazigh (Berber) from Algeria, I find the title of this video deeply offensive. While there have been countless attempts to Arabize us, they have all failed. We are a proud and resilient people, fiercely protecting our identity, culture, history, and language. As the roots of North Africa, we carry our heritage with pride, and no one can erase who we are.
It's true.
Don't you people speak arabic and follow Islam ?
@@RahalRathnayakewe speak English too, what's your point?
What does following islam has to do with the arabs???@RahalRathnayake
@madanicherfaoui I'm curious ,then why you follow Islam if you are not Arabized, which is Arabic religion.
Even the Levant been Arabized too, we had our languages & cultures.
Then this happened!!
Arabized? We have ower own dialog ower own culture ower own food even DNA is different
Yes you were partially arabized, many still maintain their identity but that doesn't change the fact that you were arabized and islamized by force.
@Zelielz1 The conquest of North Africa wasn't the immediate Islamization of it though. The spread of Islam there is way more complex and gradual.
Thanks for that video. I've learned so many things.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
As an algerian amazigh chaouia i can confirm that we were never arabized we still have our culture and we still speak it nd teach it
we need a huge financial support to revive and preserve the amazigh language
also thank for shedding light on the matter
You will fail. The language is going so is the culture. You are now Arabs, just accept it. The Black African are the only true Africans left.
You find they aren't well preserved? I find the opposite (at least in Morocco, the only Maghreb country I know extremely well. The other being Tunisia, but never met any Amazigh language speaker there). From Bin el Ouidane to Sidi Kaouki, Imlil to Tafraoute, Aourir to Tata, you'll mostly hear Tachelhit. I don't even mention the Rif Mountains (different language there but still).
The thing with Amazigh is that it is not only one language. There are many variations within that language family, which means that anyone from Ouirgane in Al Haouz will always resort to darija when visiting the Rif. That's why the linguistic issue in the Maghreb is a real headache.
As for the Modern Standard Tamazight now taught in Moroccan schools, I must say I'm not convinced. This is an artificial language that has nothing in common with what people speak at home. I find it quite odd to be honest.
Thank you for your comment!
P.S.: to preserve languages, passion is a good start :)
@@nofridaynightplans no it isn't well preserved not in Morocco or any north African country tamazight isn't even thought in schools and was only considered an official language till 2011 and the government faced a lot of critiques from pan arabist and islamist constitutions and it still is to this day you can't even name your children amazigh name but rather Arabic name where the hell is freedom and acceptance of cultures???
, arabization really hurt the roots of north Africa and I say that as a Moroccan
@@NjoofeneAnd the poorest ones too.
@@Galbaudix Arrubization is THE enemy, that is what I keep trying to explain to the (abundantly dense to put it politely) North Africans online. There was even a woman named "Amazigh Lionness" who legit said that Islam saved North Africa from paganism, so it was "worth it" to be conquered. Yes the same conquering that involved beheading their Berber queen and displaying her in Syria for all to see. The not so bright woman then disappeared once I reminded her that Indonesia didn't need Arrubization to adopt Islam. Go figure.
I'm amazigh and I'm not an arab but I'm proud of being speaking the same language as our beloved prophet
Ok. You love your colonizer. Funny how your Ancestors fought the arabs only for you to become them. smh
😅😅😅😅 lol
Met your kind in France
You are entirely arabised in way of thinking.
אם אתה גאה בשפה שדיבר הנביא אתם בטח גם גאה בעריפת הראשים שזו אחת הסיבות שהאיסלם הצליח להתפשט בגלל האימה עם החרב המעוקלת ,
התיעוד המפואר של אנשי דת השלום בעריפת הראש של חיי בן אחיטוב ואשתו צפיה נלקחה כשפחה , כמה פאר כמה הוד והדר , אם היו עושים סדרה על כיבושיו של האסלם אף גוף תקשורת לא היה מוכן לשדר את הברוטאליות האכזריות שהאסלם הביא לעולם וסביר להניח שאותו במאי נכנס לכלא עצם שידור של מעשה זוועה שממשיכים עד עצם היום הזה והכל בשם הדת ,
דת השלום ומי שמסרב פשוט אומרים לו שלום ולא להתראות
Not every khaliph was a role model, they even fought against the own kind of the prophet, but our prophet for example had his prisoners eat at his own table, if you actually did your research. You're just a jewish hater. You hate everything exept yourself. Allah accepts everyone to islam. Thats how allah wanted it.
@@המאמין18 how about what you are doing to the palestinians, or the centuries of western colonialism and slavery, if you wanna talk about brutality read your history, if they had made a series about what you are doing to the palestinians the whole world would depise your country and people...oh wait, they already do, since you filmed it yourselves
saying that islam brought only cruel brutality is ridiculous and pathetic, and yes they have made media about islamic conquest, or more accurately reconquest, its called kingdom of heaven, you should watch it since its relevant to you, i dont need to hear the opinion if a group of people that keeps getting kicked out of wherever they go, and are committing the same atrocities that were done to them, you have no right to come and talk badly about islam while your people and religeon consider everyone beneath you, and would rather plunge everyone to war, your allies and enemies just to expand your "state" which wont even exist by the end of the century, enjoy your borrowed time, the west wont support you forever.
There is no DNA test that can tell you your ethnicity, they only tell you where your ancestors have lived for the last 150-200 years, and when you get "North Africa" it means that your Arab ancestors have been in North Africa for more than 200 years it does not mean that you are "Berber", even companies say it, the important thing is to do the Y-DNA Haplogroup test to know your grandfather origin if you come out J1, EM84, EM35, EV65, J2, you are Arab ض🇲🇦🇹🇳🇲🇷🇩🇿🇱🇾ض❤️
😂😂😂😂😂
*DNA test can reach more than 1000 years*
*You are dumb*
@@BenAlArabi araboid copuim
In my youth I never heard my family talking about Berbers and never never about Imazighen or Amazighs. The first time I heard the word "berber" was from a french comrade at school . My parents used to talk about the non arabic speaking people of Algeria by designating them as Qabaïl (Kabyles) , Shawi (inhabitants of the Awres) or M'zabi according to the regions from where they came.
I am not surprised. I've heard this from acquaintances many times.
As a Moroccan Oujdi from a mix arab amazigh descent I find your video very informative and precise.
I want to add that "Arab" is an ethnolinguistic identity, just like being jew is an ethno religious identity. Which means that arabs since the beginning were ethnically diverse and binded by language.
That's why, historicaly we find many categories for arabs, either Geographicaly or socially like qedarites arabs (north semitic Arabs) and qahtani arabs (Afro-Asiatic people) While both groups identify as arabs.
So, yeah in a sense, Moroccans were arabized both culturally and linguistically so it's quite normal for many to identify as arabs and that shouldn't be considered wrong likewise identifying as pure amazigh.
Fun fact, we talk about berber arabization but many don't know about arab amazighation. Many arab tribes in my area (migrated in the late XVIII century) have fully assimilated into amazigh culture and many think they are berber tribes while "ethnically" they are arabs.
So in Morocco we had this weird exchange 😅
This is the best observation I've seen in these comments so far. Very accurate and open-minded. When you said some of the Arabs were actually drawn into the indigenous culture and today think they're Berbers or Moors.. I knew you knew what this videos isn't saying.
firstly I would say that a large part of what you say is false, there were several tribes of Arab origin in North Africa including Sanhaja, in addition even among the "Berbers" we can distinguish several origins, Herodotus counted four large populations in North Africa at his time; The Greeks, the (Black) Ethiopians, the Libyans and the Phoenicians, I remind you that the Romans considered the "Black Gaetulians" as the true indigenous people of the region, furthermore the study of DNA shows us that there has two majority strains "E78" which dates between 9500 and 12000 years and "E81" which dates between 2500 and 3000 years which corresponds exactly with the arrival of the Phoenicians whose language was Semitic, even Saint Augustine said that where he was going preached he needed an interpreter from Latin to the Punic that the populations spoke, which explains the ease with which Arabic spread, therefore the summary that you make which is taken from the Pseudo French Historians who through their work wanted no more divide and conquer
This channel is exsclusively about languages. I don't discuss ethnicities. It's clearly stated on the first image of the video: arabised = Arabic became the main language in the region. The question that interests me is: why have some people abandoned their languages while others have not? It's unfortunate few people actually pay attention to what is being said.
Who knows people's ethnicity anyway? North Africans are bound to be among the most ethnically diverse individuals on the planet...
@@nofridaynightplans That is a good focus, furthermore culture is at least 60-70% Language. If the language vanishes, most of the culture vanishes.
The arab tribe bit id very missleading because it's false
But if I, as a Lebanese, say I'm phonecian and not arab, the internet explodes
if you lived 2 millennia ago im sure nobody would complain
Lebanon is next to Arabia… you have lots of Arab dna. Arabs are the most similar people to Lebaneses
Well the phoenician thing is kind of a myth, Lebanon was always a mix of people, so it's likely a mix of all Levantine and Semitic people, like Maronites, Assyrians, Chaldeans, Jews etc.
Nice video good job
The lebanese were forced to give up their language Aramaic and arabised too
Thing is that in Morocco people from Oujda, although in the Tamazight-speaking North will identify as Arab because their first or sole language is (Darija) Arabic, as do people from capital Rabat and Casablanca (and other places). In essence all citizens of indigenous Moroccan descent are Imazighen. This incorrect Arab identity was pushed onto them without them even noticing. It is partially due to Arab nationalism of the 19th century that equated speaking a form of Arabic to being part of the "Arab world" and "being an Arab." People started to speak Arabic outside of the Arabian Peninsula because of the spread of Islam after 632 AD, not because all those various ancient non-Arab peoples became Arabs in genes. Only people from the Arabian Peninsula are Arabs. The cradle of Arab civilisation is southern Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Still people all over the world will say: "They are Arabs," when they hear the Arabic language. This connection between language and being of a certain genetic descent is not correct. Despite language being an important constituent of identity, language can be forced upon someone and over time people forget their ethnic, historic roots. As identities in many instances are formed for political gain (division or unification of people) we should be aware that the language you speak may not reflect your genetic ancestoral reality. It is interesting to see that the same did not happen in South America, where people were lingually hispanisised but they did not self-identify as Spanish. And there is no feeling of connectedness to the country of Spain other than colonial historic knowledge taught at schools. Spain was Christian, (Saudi, not contemporary) Arabia was Muslim. The reason why non-Arab Arabic-speaking people started identifying as Arab whilst non-Hispanic Spanish-speaking people did not, must be found in the fact that Arabic made its way to become the lingua franca of science; it was not only important for trading but also to exchange scientific thoughts. Therefore connecting oneself to a great apparatus of scientific literature (written by mostly non-Arabs who wrote Arabic because their patrons were Arabic-speaking Muslim caliphs / governors etc.) was connecting oneself to a glorious, proud tradition of cultural production.
Just Study amazigh languages and Use them again ...
Hebrew was extinct for many centuries and it's now spoken by millions of natives .
Viva imazighen .
Why don't you revive etruscan, Aequian or somesort instead of fabricating artifical language and state inside arabs homeland. Are we free experimenting subjects to you ?
natives of what? they are europeans
@@joahua122 incorrect. Not all Jews are European in origin
@@SarahHaddid the difference between those langauge and amazighs is that a huge fraction of north africans in Morocco and Algeria still speak it as a first languages
Palestine is not the home land of the Jewish people -- its the land of Canaanites ( the Roman called it Palestine ) thankfully the discovery of 4500 year old Canaanites graves have been genetically studied it turned out that they are genetically closer to Arabs including Palestinians by contrast most Jews are genetically related to non Semitic population such as Europeans especially Italians and Kurds and Persian and Turks ( a small minority of Mideast Jews are genetically related to Canaanites and Arabs ) most of the world Jews are Ashkenazi Jews they are mostly Europeans who either converted or migrated to Europe from Anatolian and mixed with European women thus the strong links with Italians , the Levant which includes Palestine witnessed through its history migration from Anatolia and Persia into the Levant due to instability in Anatolia , modern examples are the Maronite Christians who migrated to Lebanon and Syria fleeing the Byzantines prosecution in Anatolia or the Druze both immigrated from Anatolia to the Levant , and finally the Kurds in Syria who migrated to Syria fleeing Ataturk regime and fled from Iran to Syria fleeing the Shah regime in addition to economic Kurdish migrants in farms in Syria , in short the vast majority of Jews in Israel are certainly not native to Palestine if they were they would have strong genetic links to the native Canaanites yet they have strong links to non Semitic groups .
I'm from Tunisia , I did DNA test last year and these are my results :
51% North Africa
22% Italian
14% Iberian
8% Ashkenazi Jews
3% Scandinavian
2% Balkan
@AliceBradey Thank you ❤️
So you're European not Arabic or African.
@@CarlJohnson-uk4fenorth African means indigenous African
@@JohnnyJacobGO Who were the first North Africans ?
@@CarlJohnson-uk4fe White people
The woman in the video display is Algerian from the ouled nail community ❤🇩🇿
Very interesting and informative. You succintly (but yet in a very comprehensive way) presented quite a complex issue. I learnt a lot. Thank you.
Thank you - appreciated :)
@@nofridaynightplansleave us alone
They took on the language because they were forced to at the end of a sword or gun, we have fought this for over 1400 years and we still fight this today.
N'importe quoi....ouvrez des livres d'histoire...les nord africains ont adopté l'islam et la langue arabe dans leur intérêt. ..les armées musulmanes ont été plusieurs fois défaites. ..et remplacées paor des nord africains, ,..qui ont fondé plusieurs empire, dont les fatimides (est algerie ) qui s'etendait jusqu'en Palestine
we are amazigh we are a muslim we speak amazig morocca arabic and study arabic so stoooop saying arabization leave us alone
How egyptians, phenicians, cananaites, mesopotamians, yemenites became arab ? How anatlian became Turks ? How west salvic people became eastern german ?
What does arab mean?
#FreeYemen indeed. And tribal Oman was also never Arrub, they spoke more elegant-sounding languages like Mehri.
@@mmgxono mehri is as more spoken in Yemen but most Omanis are Arabs
@@ChromeMan04 "Most Omanis" meaning before the Syrian hillbillies wandered south, Oman indeed was not Arrub. Thanks for pointing out my initial point.
@@mmgxo you have no point you copin zoomali
Amazing work ! Thank you.
Amazigh* work wink wink
I hope amazigh, pheonocians and egyptians bring back their actual identity. Love from Iran
Imazighen all together to put our mother language Tamazight first in our education🎯
Congrats for this very interesting and informative video.
It was the Amazigh dynasties that introduced and promoted the Arabization of North Africans.
The reason they are so open to Arabic is primarily religious.
Genetically speaking, all modern North Africans, whether Arabic-speaking or Amazigh-speaking, are 80 to 90 percent native Amazigh, with the remainder divided between Iberian, Italian, and Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
this is better than that history and geography("tarikh o ljoghrafia") program they taught us when we were young. Thank you miss, you made my night. I'm currently writing a fantasy book inspired by our culture, history and folklore(Moroccan mostly) and... well this is very intriguing and useful. I think you should do more of these!
Thank you very much for this comment, which I find particularly gratifying. I wish you a lot of joy and success (whatever this may be for you) in your endeavour.
Arab Colonialism 🤬
The reason for the dominance of Arabic language is the religion Islam which was revealed in the Arabic language. Also wherever the Arabs would go they would marry among those people and have kids who would then speak Arabic. But even today when people convert they try their best to learn the Arabic language to understand the Quran better as translation doesn’t do any justice for instance many scholars and people in America who convert tries their best to learn the language. Same is the case in Asia
As a mizrahi jew, without Arabs, those nations would be roman cultural colonies forever. They would speak broken latin dialects like Spain, Portugual, France, Romania, and Italy. At least, with Arabs, they still connected to their Afrasian Heritage since Arabic is an Afrasian Language.
Dialects?😂😂 Spanish it’s spoken by 550 millions of people and French by 380 millions
@yasminmacia5045 they are still broken Latin dialects.
A very interesting video and I can see some parallels with my own country, England. We too had ancient Phoenicians, Greeks and Romans arriving here. The Romans stayed for nearly 400 years, but as in the case of the Amazigh left very little genetic or linguistic evidence because the people continued to speak Brythonic. However, in the 5th century AD, Angles and Saxons arrived and they did change the spoken language into what was to become English. So as in the case of the Amazigh, why did they adopt Arabic and why did the Britons adopt a germanic language yet neither changed their language to Roman previously ? It was thought in England that the Anglosaxons had completely taken over and killed all the Brythonic speakers. However, with modern genetic tests showed that the majority of the population didn't change only the language, but why ? I think the answer could be very similar to what you have said about the Amazigh.
Extremely interesting comment, for which I thank you very much. Will definitely look into the matter when time allows!
As a Turkish, I think Islam is a useful tool in the Arabs' colonization activities. The word for God in Turkish is Tanrı (Tengri in Central Asian Turkic dialects), and it is almost no longer used due to Islam's influence. In fact, it has shifted in meaning and is now used for pagan gods. Even though we have not become Arabized, under the influence of Islam we have started to use some Arabic words for religious reasons even though their equivalents are in our language. This is actually a type of Arabization.
because if you believe in Islam you use words that are original revelation. This is not an argument against Islam , it just shows Islam remains pure from dilution and remains in its original state of revelation no matter what part of the Muslim world you go to
Turks were also arabized heavily actually alot of people were
Unless if I misunderstood something, I kind of heard her saying the Amazigh are native to North Africa and on her channel, it’s centred on researching and discussing language changes. Mainly locals being forced by circumstances to abandon their indigenous language and coerced to adopt the conqueror’s language. It’s still happening in this century. Look at French, Russian, Shona, English, Spanish and Portuguese. Just mention a few. Some of those are implemented by force of Arms.
They were arabised and islamised through constant persecution by thy Arab Muslims colonisation in the 6th century. Back in the days before Islam countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Morocco, Algeria, Jordan and other Middle Eastern countries had their own beautiful cultures and religion. But after the arab Muslims conquest to these countries they were forced to be Arabised through colonisation and persecution of the native people of these countries by the Arabs. They were forced to change their culture and their religion to Islam by the sword. Take for example Egypt..
Egyptian were much better under Romans and the Persian Empire (although I despise the Romans). The Egyptian native language and religion reminded the same and consistent since the unification of Egypt 3100 BC. Before the colonisation of Arab Muslims to Egypt in 641AD There were three different groups in Egypt: the Byzantine Greco-Romans who controlled Egypt and were a small minority, the Egyptian Coptic Christians who were the majority and all over Egypt, the Nubians who were in the South past Thebes. All cultures reminded the same until Arab Muslims came and conquered Egypt and forced the native to convert to Islam and force non Muslims to pay jizya they also replaced the ancient Egyptian native language (Coptic language) with Arab language The language of the Coloniser. When the Arabs conquered Egypt in the middle of the seventh century, Coptic was the vernacular language of the bulk of the population, as well as the major literary language. The Coptic language massively declined under the hands of Fatimid Caliph *"Al-Hakim bi-Amr"* Allah, as part of his campaigns of religious persecution. He issued strict orders completely prohibiting the use of Coptic language anywhere, whether in schools, public streets, and even homes, including mothers speaking to their children. Those who did not comply *had their tongue cut off.* Arab Muslims also take Egyptian women as səx slavəs known as "Sebaya or Melk al Yemin." During the early Islamic history of colonisation of Egypt, slavery were mainly focused on three categories: male slaves used for soldiers and bureaucrats, female slaves used for sexual slavery as concubines, and female slaves and eunuchs used for domestic service in harems and private households. At the end of the period, there were a growing agricultural slavery. The people enslaved in Egypt during Islamic times mostly came from Europe and Caucasus (which were referred to as "white"), or from the Sudan and Africa South of the Sahara through the Trans-Saharan slave trade (which were referred to as "black"). When the British colonized Egypt, they literally abolished slavery. British pressure led to the abolishment of slavery trade successively between 1877 and 1884. Slavery itself was not abolished, but it gradually died out after the abolition of the slave trade, since no new slaves could be legally acquired, and excisting slaves where given the right to apply for freedom. Just imagine how modernised and industrialised and culturally tolerant and religious freedom Egypt would be if the Arab Muslims had not colonized and conquered Egypt.. Egypt unfortunately is a backward country because of Islam. Just like every nation, they colonized and introduced Islam to it, Islam is a 6th century cult like demonic religion.
@@مجهولالهوية-ر8س where you from ya khar?
Correct ! All colonisers are the same.
You are ridiculous skr.
@@ChromeMan04stupid poorsian.
Great video. Subscribed to your channel.
Thank you for the support :)
According to available data there are still millions of native Berber speakers in Maghreb, so the process of Arabization is far from complete. The linguistic situation is quite complex there, as French was also introduced as a colonial language in the 19th century and despite the efforts and policies of arabization introduced after the independence 60 years ago, the language is still present and widely spoken. Along with the recent Berber revival it makes the overall linguistic situation in the region very interesting.
Makes me so excited to be recommended a woman creator that touches on my favorite topics woohoo here is to many many more followrs , engagement and ad revenue !! Shukran
Lol, how great would that be indeed. Thank you for the kind words :)
I am an Indian Hindu woman who has been friends with Syrian, Moroccan, Iranian women (all mostly Sunni Muslims) in the Gulf for almost half of my life, I still do after returning to India.
I am from the Dravidian civilization of the South, who speak Dravidian languages. Similar to Arabic in Islam, Sanskrit in Hinduism penetrated Dravidian languages, but not much, like 10-20% of vocab. Our languages are such, that we can write our Dravidian languages without any foreign influence because our rulers promoted Dravidian languages along with Sanskrit. We have literature spanning 3 millenia and managed to retain our languages and culture, because we have had centralised States early on.
Despite being Hindus, we Dravidians have our own gods and we also worship war heroes/heroines. The Aryans Hindus, North of the country have their own languages, descending from Sanskrit and worship their own gods as well. I guess, this is because Hinduism is not a religion, but a group of philosophies which binds us idolaters, thiests, deists, athiests, agnostics together. The oldest atheistic book was written by a Hindu sage called Ashtavakra indeed. Not saying Islam is lesser in any regard, but amazighs were a victim of politics. Some ride through turbulent seas, some barely save themselves from sinking.
This is such an interesting & well explained comment. I'm a Britsh Indian woman, I don't know a lot about Indian history but I noticed vast differences in language between south & north India just from listening to speakers but so fascinating to know about the role of sanskrit. You've inspired me to delve deeper.
“An interesting historical fact: many of the conquerors during the Islamic expansion into North Africa originated from regions within the Caliphate of Damascus, including present-day Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, and Yemen. If we trace back even further in history, it raises the question-weren’t these lands once home to the Phoenicians, an ancient seafaring civilization known for their influence across the Mediterranean?” So basically they gave North Africa for the second time a civilisation but this time the with Islam and its language a centred as the it’s the language of the Holy Quran 🪬
We did not become Arabs, we are Amazighs forever
Very sad, I am Algerian and Islam was forced on us. We had our own language, our own religion and our own ways. Now that I've left Islam and If I ever went back, I would be killed for leaving Islam.
Sad that I will never be able to go home again.
Hey I'm also ex Muslim from Indonesia,
@@soberman1520🙏❤👍
Who has been killed for leaving Islam recently ? I know people from the Eglise protestante d Algérie who are apostate of islam. Their churches are closed, they can be imprisoned but I never hear of anyone having been killed.
@@danielalala-s6i it usually gets covered up when it happens.
I am a Berber Jew, and I am happy never to have been Islamized.
As an Algerian of amazigh descent but who's culturally Arab, I salute you for such a great and thorough analysis the likes of which cannot be found in official history curricula anywhere in North Africa. Thank you.
Thank you for this appreciate comment.
What I have learnt throughout the few years I have spent on this planet is that the one who wishes to know will find answers. Simply because all the questions we ask ourselves, from the most trivial to the deepest ones, have usually already been answered. You just need to research.
Ibn Khaldoun's book "تاريخ البربر والعرب في شمال إفريقيا" is full of extremely interesting historical elements, notably regarding the Awraba tribe.
Thank you for visiting the channel. All the best to you, Mohammed!
U mean arabized There is no such thing as “culturally Arabs”
@@renlan9624 I believe I'm the best placed person to describe myself. No one knows the best words to describe me better than I do, and those words are culturally arab. I grew up speaking Arabic, watching Arabic TV shows made or dubbed in Arab countries. I am very fond of Arab poetry and literature. I wasn't even aware of my amazigh (Kabyle to be specific) heritage until last year when a friend sent me a book about the lineages of families in lesser kabyly (from where I apparently descend). So no, I'm not arabized. My ancestors probably were arabized, but me, I'm Arab (again, culturally, not ethnically).
@renlan9624 being Arab in itself means you speak Arabic, it's an ethnolinnguistic term
How are you culturally arab lol? You're maghrebi which includes some arabian elements but not wholeheartedly arabian.
I’d really like to get some more insight. I’m working on animating African history around the 13th century (mainly the fall of the Ghana empire and rise of Mali mixed with their complex relationship with the Amazigh and Arabs. Great video❤
7:40 awesome drawing… I have to wonder what that life was like. From what I've read Bedouin Christians are near extinction. The sights the sounds the richness must have been something to behold.
We are independent Amazighs with our language and culture, and many of us still preserve it despite all the marginalization that has befallen us. No matter how long the time, the authentic will always remain authentic. Free peoples never die.
Excellent talk, I don't know if you're familiar with Frank Herbert's DUNE but I was told that Fremen is a direct translation of Freeman in one of the Berber languages. How true would you say this is?
That's an interesting question. Unfortunately, I cannot answer. I don't know any of the Amazigh variations :) However, there are many speakers in the comments. Maybe try your luck with one of them?
I noticed some kind of similarities with english, but who knows, like imagine in Arabic " Earth " is "ard" same as english, and earth isn't a borrowed word from Arabic as Giraffe or alcohol or else but it's an old english and germanic word, and same for Arabic "Ard" is an old word.
I believe "Fremen" comes from "Free men", which is the meaning of the term Amazigh, and not from an Amazigh word
Great video on a great topic that is seldom discussed. TY (immediate and enthusiastic subscription, of course).
I beg to disagree with you on Latin only spreading to Indoeuropean areas: many non-Indoeuropeans were also very strongly Latinized (Etruscans, Ligurians, Sardinians, Corsicans, Iberians and Tartessians at the very least), while some remote Indoeuropeans like the Britons retained their language until today (Welsh). In North Africa we know that the Latinization of the former Phoenician cities was quite strong and that at least the elites spoke Latin regularly, for example Septimius Severus (the first not-really Italian Roman Emperor, who had an accent anyhow) or Augustin of Hippo, whose texts show that North African Latin had the same "betacist" tendency (confusing "v" and "b") as Iberian one (Omniglot had a good video on that). Latin linguistic hegemony continued under the Vandals and Byzantines (who had not yet shifted to Greek as official language) but was of course limited to whatever the actual borders of Africa province were.
As for foreign arrivals through history a key marker is Y-DNA J2, which may signal Semitic or even Roman immigration (J2 was spread into West Europe mostly by Roman settlement for sure but in North Africa is more likely to signify Phoenician or Arab inflow, I guess), Turkish settlement would also be associated. Asmahan Bekada, Lara R. Arauna et al. ("Genetic Heterogeneity in Algerian Human Populations", PLoS ONE 2015) found only very low frequencies of this outsider lineage in Algeria, concentrated in Algiers (6% in one sample, 0% in the other) and Oran (5% in one sample, 1% in the other), elsewhere it was absent. An older study from the same main author (Asmahan Bekada et al., "Introducing the Algerian Mitochondrial DNA and Y-Chromosome Profiles into the North African Landscape", PLoS ONE 2013) found (table S6) 5% J2 in Algeria, 3% in Tunisia (surprisingly low IMO), 1% in Morocco and 0% in Libya. All this supports what you said in the video about the small figures of the various invader groups, especially the Arabs.
Best wishes from the Basque Country.
Thank you so much for this very informative comment! I sincerily appreciate it. The study I read indicated that Latin had tended to take root on IE substrates, while it was the opposite for Arabic. But it's interesting to know that non-IE peoples were indeed latinised. I don't know much, not to say anything at all, about the genetics of the people you mentioned, but thank you for sharing the information.
@@nofridaynightplans - I concur that IE peoples, most of them of the same Celto-Italic stock as the Latins, would have been more easily assimilated not just in language but in culture by the Romans but the Etruscans and the Iberians/Tartessians were more civilized and that's also a gateway by which the overall Roman civilization (and language) penetrated, following on the steps of the more modest Phocaean Greek colonies (Marseilles notably, very adept at befriending the Iberians and Ligurians and bumping heads with the Phoenicians and Celts).
The Iberians and ancient Sardinians were Vasconic (i.e. related to Basques and descendants from mainline European Neolithic peoples of Anatolian roots) for sure, the Ligurians probably too but there is debate for lack of evidence, the Tartessians are a mystery but definitely pre-Indoeuropean. The Etruscans were a very different group (Tyrsenians, also documented in Lemnos), probably from the Aegean, also pre-Indoeuropean and were key in the formation of Rome, which they ruled for a long time and gave many cultural elements, including the precursor of this very Latin alphabet we're using.
A phonetic fact that may have ever so slightly helped with Latinization in the case of Vasconic peoples is the shared five vowel system. Most Romances have now diverged from that but Spanish (Castilian) notably retains it very well (save for long vowels not anymore in use) and that's surely because it has strong Basque influence. Some ancient Roman whose name I can't recall said that the Aquitanii (as Basques were known in those days) spoke a very good Latin, while in Rome apparently almost everyone did it wrongly. This may have been because of similar phonetics, I guess.
But the main factor is IMO how strongly were the Romans invested in each province and district. Places like Baetica (Andalusia), where Italian colonization was very strong (about 20% of Andalusian ancestry seems to be Roman/Italian) Latin surely became dominant very quickly, while in remote areas like Mauretania, Britain or NW Spain/SW France, that Latin education was surely limited to the elites at best. In North Africa there must have been a strong distinction between Africa Province, especially the Phoenician cities, and Mauritania and other relatively remote areas, where Roman domination was lax and perceived as distant.
@@LuisAldamiz Very interesting. Would you have recommended sources to share about the pre-IE history of Iberians? Many thanks!
@@nofridaynightplans - I used to have a blog on the wider issues of prehistory, population genetics and general anthropology, which has some articles and references on the matter and others. However nowadays posting any links at YT comments seems to be totally shadow-censored (i.e. your comment seems to go through and then vanishes, sometimes you can even get "spam" warnings). In my experience even naming the blog (which absolutely legit and hosted by Blogger, i.e. Alphabet, the same company that owns YT) results in the same kind of shadow-censored. So I'll give you the details (no links) in separate replies you might be able to read as notification but will almost certainly be deleted anyhow.
@@nofridaynightplans - Search for a blog called "For what they were... we are" and, once there, search for "ancient Iberians" or something like that. There's a chronological index at the bottom right but it's many years long.
Searching for "Sardinians" or "Basque origins" should also produce interesting results. Cheers.
The Berbers are semitic as well! Just like JEWS and ARABS derive from one people... the Berbers originate from the same people. YOU ARE NOT SPECIAL! Deal with it!
We should not discount the earlier Punic (Carthaginian) influence as they too (like the later Arab's) were a Semitic people
Arabs are Cannanites, not Semitic.
Neo-Punic is what survived and it's likely went extinct before the Arab Conquest
@@مجهولالهوية-ر8س not true the cannanites could have been arabs but they were a minority of arab who happened to live in palestine so it's wrong
Arabs should not be mentioned at all because they have the youngest semetic language
@@TeeSpells thousand of year you mean
Thank you for making my continuing education more interesting and rewarding. And free lol
We are not Arabized and will never be , we will remain free until the end of time !
Edit : saying that the Phoniceans founded Carthage is very disrespectful and is misleading and straight false
They: How berbers become Arabs?
Me: Thanks to Muslims.
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Lies, Amazigh are Algerians and native to Algeria, morroco is not amazigh, only few people of the north as it belonged to Algeria, Numedia ( Algeria today) used to own all of north africa, morrocans are a mixture of immigrants from senegal and yemenite jews, and the north used to be its own land, it got colonised in the 70's along side sahara occidental, the cities od morrocan are no more than 800 years old and it was Algerian civilizations who created them: the Mohahid, the Zenatti, the Merinides, the wattassi, the saadinite...they named them and they were the ones who built their historical monuments, the country of morroco didn't exist until 1910 it was hubert Lieuté a french lieutenant who created it and put a random guy as a king over it, everything traditional in morroco including: cuisine, clothing, sewing, broderie, potterie...is Algerian, Algerians are the ones who taught them everything they know today, and they're still learning, Amazigh date way back then 9 bc by thousands of years, shishnak an Algerian amazigh took even the throne in Egypt and became a pharaoh, and they don't come from Phoenician's, its their own kind, in fact they found that their language tifinagh is the oldest written language in the world, it was found carbed on a rock, same for Tunisian they're immigrants from Lebanon
Thank you. Your support is greatly appreciated. I would just like to indicate that this channel explores a wide variety of topics on languages and is not exclusively dedicated to North Africa. I was truly eager to try to understand why some people tend to abandon their languages in favour of another and made this video with this objective in mind.
Thank you for your kind comment. All the best to you.
Islamization accompanied by Arabization have also affected other regions a little further south of the Maghreb such as Sudan and Chad. If you can produce a video as exciting and instructive as this one, it would be TOP
Great idea - thank you.
@@B.TIIGER now we have pitch black Sudanese brothers call themselves Arab🤦🏿♂️🤦🏿♂️
an other nonsense, Arabs migrated to those places taking their language with them. People in that Area speak Arabic because they have Arab ancestors. Why don't you talk about Anglization of America ?
@@wambokodavid7109 Being Arab is about tribal and lineage connection, not about a skin tone similarity. 🤡🤡
@@wambokodavid7109sure...Arabs concqured our brothers
Only Ethiopia survived because Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia were part of Coptic orthodox chirstian before the Arab expansion and Islamization.
It was Arabs who brought Christianity to Egypt, Sudan and Ethiopia. Christians in Eritrea still do pray in Arabic
@ Could be true if Arabs were already in Egypt before the expansion of Islam which I didn't do research on but Christianity reached Egypt Sudan Eriteria-Ethiopia way before 7th century (the start of Islam)
@@btin1791 the arabs were the first Christians as it is written in Acts. The first Christian kingdom in the world was the arab Abgarid kingdom in modern day Syria and Turkey. Arab presence in Egypt has been documented in Egypt, Sudan and Eritrea since the time of Herodotus, long before Christianity
@@PhilipusArabus ።። I am Eritrean Christian and you are misleading people..We don't pray in Arabic..We pray in Geez !!!
@@PhilipusArabus Why would an 'Arab' bring Christianity to other countries? Do you mean the Arabic language? Christians in the Holy Land speak Arabic, too. Please help me understand. Thanks. :)
The difference between North Africa and other Muslims of Africa is others accepted Islam and rejected Arabism, its language and cultures.
But you had others that rejected Islam too.
@@meriambenabdallah9495 and accepted Christianity!! So
@@sesay3168 so meaning not everyone in North Africa accepted it ( Islam) .
@@meriambenabdallah9495 You know those are outliers. In general, many accepted Islam
@@sesay3168 outliers or people telling the truth and if you don't believe me look up st Augustine and while yes you had tribes that accepted it you and tribes that fought against the uymmad caliphate.
I’m an Algerian Berber but I only identify as MUSLIM and nothing else. Alhamdulilah for the gift of Islam. 🇩🇿🇲🇦🇹🇳🇱🇾🇲🇷
Hi sir, Do you identify yourself hetero sexual cis male?
@@JoaoVitor-ib9ip I identify with whatever the Quran tells me to. Islam is the only truth and I’m lucky to be a Muslim. 😊
I'm Algeria Berber and I identify with my Berber identity not the cult of Islam that eradicatey culture ♓
So… you’re an Algerian Berber but you don’t identify with it? 🤔 That’s interesting… so, you identify solely as your religion? So…in essence, your actual heritage means nothing to you? You only care about the religion that was forced upon your descendants many centuries ago? Ok. ✌🏽
Also… religion wasn’t the entire focus of this video, or even the subject of the discussion. You’re an Algerian Berber, you say. That’s your ethnicity and nationality. A totally different subject than your religion, Islam, of which practitioners are called Muslims, and which was forced upon ancient Berbers centuries ago.
"Gift"
Pan Arabism before used to advocate if you spoke Arabic and embraced the identity, then you are Arabic. Sadly this is changing with loss of that way of thinking. Now we are all busy with our own little problems
I'm glad pan-arabism is collapsing.
Really interesting topic with great coverage!
Many don't understand that since Arabic is a semitic language berbers could easily learn it.
The benefits of knowing Arabic in many areas is that many tribes had different dialects that were very almost non-mutually intelligible. So in order to understand each other either one tribe had to learn the dialect of the other tribe they are dealing with or the opposite. Since there were not just 2 but more tribes with different dialects Arabic was very useful in that way that it helped that everyone understood each other. Same also counts for Middle Eastern countries like Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon where Assyrian, Aramaic and other languages where spoken that whose respectively language systems where not unified.
Since at the time of the so called "Arabization" process there were also Arabs among the people in those countries and through the Golden Age of Islam where Islam taught in Arabic and the quran was used as a standard Arabic reference book, people used Arabic as a language to communcate with each other.
Since Arabic was at that time relatively standarzised it offered also in this part of the region benefits.
So although there could be some forced Arabization it was never done systematically.
Arabic just offered in those times benefits what other languages didn't and since it is a semitic language it was adopted by other Semitic language speaking tribes (like Assyrians) as their language of choice.
This process was a gradual process of course.
English offers a similar example. Many people around the world use it today to understand other language speaking persons. In Amsterdam for example you can live without speaking any Dutch just by speaking English. Dutch people can also learn English relatively fast since Dutch and English hare many similarities.
Fascinating and informative video! Subscribed!
Leave us alone ✡️🤥
Liked, commented and subscribed. Excellent work❤
Thank you for posting.
very relevant and interesting informations on this still sensitive topic
In algeria 80%arab and 20%amazigh
كذاب
So youre a saudi
@Sel12t Im algerien
@@Fouilla no if youre an arab youre saudi
@Sel12t شوف ايها امازيغي انا عربية ولدت في الجزائر واجدادي من الجزائر ونحن شعب عربي اذا لم يعجبك امر ارجع بلغاريا بلادكم اصلية
wonderful work! Well done.
❤from kurdistan
Thank you ^.^ A video about Kurdistan is dropping very soon!
Im an amazigh and i have no complexe of getting arabized ... it's literally the quran's language which ought to makes us proud
لغتك و ثقافتك غادي ننقارض بسباب التعريب