Longest VS Most Accurate Irons
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
- txg.ca - Exploring the advantages and drawbacks of looking for maximum distance with the irons. We look at various options to test during a fitting for gaining more distance including shaft length, shaft profile, loft and head design.
Filmed at: Tour Experience Golf
Custom Golf Club Fitting Studio - Toronto, Canada
Featuring: Ian Fraser & Matt Blois
You guys should try to do a comparison based on distance. Pick a target of 170-200 yards and then pick the club from each set that goes this far i.e. 7 iron Miura, 9 iron Mizuno with the same type of shafts but stock lengths. It would be interesting to see the dispersion differences to see if playing a stronger lofted iron is more accurate because of a shorter shaft.
Love the videos, keep it up.
Was great meeting you Matt this weekend along with Ian. My fitting with Ian was simply amazing. I cant say enough good things about what you guys at TXG are doing for golf. Keep up the good work and I am recommending you guys to all my golfing buddies.
Awesome to hear Ryan!
“Guys, I hope this has been somewhat valuable...” try ‘incredibly valuable’ as each one of your videos addresses specific topics and issues we have all faced in our games, and provides fact-based research for answers as opposed to opinions or biased “product placement” adverts. I respect all of your efforts. Thank you.
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Loving the content. With all the manufacturers hype out there it is refreshing to hear info from a technical standpoint.
Another video with a great nugget of info. Matt, like you, I hadn't thought out adding some length to an iron, to eke out a bit more distance. Only thought of it for people like me who need it for their height. Great stuff.
If you've got a high handicapper willing to experiment with you, I'd love to see an irons video on the effects of choking down on the grip re: speed vs. dispersion.
Great stuff guys! I play of scratch and got my Titleist irons 4-5cb and 6-pw mb 2deg strong on the 6-9 and everything else 1deg strong just to get a bit more out of it. And the gaping works really good now. It's awesome because I like to look at a blade but also want a bit more distance!
LOL, I am 64 yrs. old and I just got fitted for the Mizuno JPX 900 forged and I have seen an increase in distance and accuracy. Of course, my old clubs were about 20 yrs. old. Now I am studying Aim Point for my putting and loving it.
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Love Aim point
I put a Ladies Cobra 3W head (17* loft) on an "R" flex, 44" Aldila NV 65g men's shaft. The head is 6g lighter, so the extra 1" in shaft length leaves it at a D2 Swing Weight. It flies about 230y and is a dream to hit. Since I play in a place that doesn't have much wind it is great off the tee or for long approach shots. Sure, it looks dainty, but it usually shuts people up after seeing how accurate and workable it is.
Great video.
There was room for a discussion of what happens in both ends of the set with different lofts.
I.e may strong lofted clubs create weird gaps on the wedge side,
and may they also make the 3-4-5 iron unusable if you only swing like 65-75 mph.
A video on building a set for a slow swingspeed player would be great!
Great points, these distance irons create gaps in your wedge scoring clubs, and most high handicappers cannot hit a strong lofted 4 5 iron.
Would love to see those new Ben hogan black irons tested. If their 4 degree loft gap gives better gapping or not.
Great video again guys. So informative and clear. Keep up the great work.
Good to hear from you this evening Ian about the wedges I won on your 10000 giveaway
Another good video
Thanks again
James
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Another great vid. guys! Looking forward to the next one!
Great topics - keep up the great work .
another good video. would love to see you guys at the RBC Canadian doing a tour van video
Ian and Matt, whats your view on distance irons and the gaps it creates in you wedges? wouldn't adding an extra club for the gap defeat the purpose.
Hi guys I recently purchased some JPX 919 Hot Metals "love them". Matt, you are great for the show I swing at the same speeds except after playing hockey for 30 yrs my transition is more aggressive. Q: I found these irons are easier to play in wind. Decreasing speed decreased spin so the ball seems to fly the same distance as normal into the wind. Matt have tried these in the wind if so your thoughts. Game improvement iron sounds like old man clubs I'm 40 and a 4 handicap prefer cavity back.
Excellent video guys! Super educational and full of usable info that improves our collective golf IQ. Question - based on what was covered, one could eke out a bit more from your gamer by adding length, softer shaft and a couple of degree loft adjustment, correct? Most likely would result in a little less accuracy though, with an increased tendency to turnover, yes or no?
Likely yes to all of that Anthony, your results may vary though.
Now I understand.....The other changed the grip on my wedges. Shafts were TT DG S300 37.5 inches. They had obviously been cut to the right length...... Softer tip action? Is this what Wedge Flex means? Is this an example of Soft stepping?? Thx guys
how/when would you recommend a customer go with a blended combo set? would they have a certain swing speed or delivery of the club? when would you recommend a person replace their 6 iron with a hybrid? thanks for the video again, so much information to consider.
Generally a combo set suits a faster swing speed player looking to flight the short irons a bit lower. But some players just prefer the look of a blade in the short irons, and many modern muscle back designs offer enough forgiveness anyway. If someone can't hit their 6 iron with enough height and/or spin to provide stopping power on a green, a hybrid would be a better choice.
Another great video. Thinking of the compromises between accuracy, and distance can you do a video about building a mixed set for an average driver swing speed of about 100mph. Accuracy between wedges and 8 iron (150 yards and under), distance irons to cover 7-5(150-180), then either driving irons and hybrids(180-210) to cover the gap to the 5 wood (220). For my set it would be nice to get more launch and distance from my 5 and 6 irons but don’t want to give anything up in my scoring clubs.
Interesting idea Mike! We have a note to make a video about set composition, I think we can cover what you've mentioned in that series.
During a fit how do you factor in the desire to get a balance between distance and accuracy while also achieving forgiveness for variation in strike?
Testing a number of heads, observing the player's delivery numbers, adjusting loft/lie during the fit
How does the JPX head in this video compare to the JPX EZ from 2016? They are so pretty! ;)
And did Mizuno make a new hi fli to "match"?
Starting to like my 5 & 4 hi fli's now (took a little longer than I would like to admit)
Great work, very interesting for us old, short hitting hackers!!
great video guys i can understand going a bit longer in the shaft for more distance but what would going a bit softer do to gain more distance?
Encourages a bit more rotation
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I love your vids 👌🏻
Ian do you know what tip diameter on a srixon z u65 I think it may be. 355 taper tip. I have knocked 3 shafts out of it.
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I'll take the consistent distance/dispersion over more(max) distance any day. You need to know what to expect from each iron for every shot, not 10 yds longer one time and 20 yds the next time etc.
You could present those two clubs with the exact same 'accuracy'', which is to say 'degree opened closed to path, angle of attack, path, etc' but if one has less loft (less spin) and more ball speed, which translates to distance, it will be more off line, purely because it has traveled further along that same trajectory/path. It is not less 'accurate' it just went further.
You could, but we're looking at the dispersion as a measurement of accuracy. The lack of spin is also a factor in how much the ball can spin off line.
Daniel Young just adding to Matt’s comment Daniel. The PGA stats on accuracy aren’t in relation to how far you hit the ball, it’s purely a case off how far the ball finished from the target.
It's not really a lack of spin, it's spinning as per the loft. Using dispersion as a measure is fine, but what you tested is that less loft has a larger dispersion than more loft. I think CG placements and one piece forgings probably do create more consistent spin which could certainly translate to better dispersion (accuracy), but because of how it was setup, this was more a test of "Is a 6 iron more accurate than a 5?" I enjoy the content, just thought I'd give my 2 cents.
PGA stats for accuracy (approach shots) are measured as "average distance from hole in feet" and as distance of approach increases so to does the average distance from the hole. That's basically what this test showed. It wasn't really about this club by some piece of design (outside of loft and length) is more accurate then this one. There is probably a difference due to head design, but certainly less of a difference than portrayed. Which if I recall correctly was the case in your other test (same lie, length, loft). Good content, just wasn't really getting the point of this particular comparison.
Daniel Young
Some more 2 cents worth - If you had a 6 iron & 5 iron and you know they hit the same apex height and are within 500rpm and you had a test of 10 shots each .....you would psychologically be happier with the 6 for accuracy - I have put some power bats into play this year and they can certainly improve the long game but touch shots and short game they are lacking - I can definitely vouch for power bats on a windy day because of less spin.....
I finds the longest irons visually don't appeal to the eye when looking down on them
“Longest iron” doesn’t really make sense. It’s all about knowing how far you can hit each club - predictability.
Can make irons longer by continuing to strengthen loft - but you need wedges you can hit exact distances in the 75-125 range.
Considering 4 degrees difference in loft the 450 less revs seems pretty good from JPX.
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Add to that you'd be losing one club less into the green with the JPX and might have the same or higher spin for a given approach shot vs. a more traditional lofted club.
I may have missed it but what number and degree were you using for testing?
6 iron - 26º loft on the Mizuno, 30º loft on the Miura
That's how far I hit my AP2's with 28º loft. Wonder why I'm not carrying my driver 300+ like him =/ lol
Blimey: that Mizuno is even stronger than my M1s (26.5 6i). I remember trying the JPX and I just hated the look and feel, also tried the MP18-MMC and I loved the look and feel.
Miura CB 302??? Let’s see em👍👍👍
Coming soon!!
To have the test more authentic why not a Mizuno blade against a Mizuno cavity??
Not really the purpose of this test, this is just food for thought for those going for an iron fitting to help find a balance between distance and dispersion. Our direct comparison of blades to larger irons can be found in these two videos: ruclips.net/video/dfKbkytvpmM/видео.html & ruclips.net/video/1PbkkH0-EjI/видео.html
Perhaps a video on the performance difference of X100 vs X7? And X7 vs PX 7.0?
I watch these videos dreaming that one day I will go get fitted but first have to bring down my 28 handicap 🤙
I have a similar handicap and went to see Ian & Chris this past week. I’m happy to report that they were able to find a combination of shafts & grips to work better for me on my existing irons. My session results showed an increase in distance & more importantly improvement in accuracy with shafts & grips that are better suited to my swing. THX TXG!
Sam, actually thats not true. I highly recommend getting fit even as a high handicapper. Properly fit clubs can allow you to improve many aspects of your game. Dont wait. I had an awesome experience with Ian and would pretty much garauntee he will help you enough to lower your scores. This is a misconception by many players.
Where are these guys based tho because I’m from Northern Ireland and I feel there isn’t much variety over here 🤔
TXG is in Toronto CA. But im sure Ian can recommend a good fitter in Northern Ireland, being he is from Scotland.
Yeah that would be great thanks very much
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How much stronger loft could Miura go ?
2-3º
Thanks great video as usual .
Didn't you just take a 6 iron head, and turn it into a 5 iron for the most part?
no those irons are strong lofted by design
Stephen Marlow ......less loft, longer shaft, yep sounds like a five iron to me!
yet it flew higher than a weaker lofted, shorter shafted 6 iron....maybe you guys are not understanding the point of the test - giving different players options for their game based on what they're trying to achieve with an iron fit.
TXG Tour Experience Golf no, I get it guys, and I love your channel and you do great work, but the manufacturers are muddying the water. Stronger loft and longer shafts means you are not testing the most accurate against the longest SIX iron. You did this before on a different vid, and Excellent it was to.What this one is,is feeding the ego for when a player tells his four-ball partners he is now hitting his six iron ten yards longer....strangely now he needs another wedge!!!! It is disingenuous of the manufacturers, loft should be a standard, surely??????
As to higher ......fair enough, but without me looking at the launch angle again , not sure whether that is just due to being in the air longer at a lower launch??
Sorry if this seems a bit of a rant. I dont mean it to be . I think your channel is great....man not so fussed about then hype fed to use by the club makers!
It is tricky because the modern design of irons makes them launch higher, hence the need to reduce the static lofts. Last year I moved from 20 yr old Yonex irons (traditional loft) to M1s. Looking at static lofts my M1 7i has the loft of the Yonex 6i but the M1 7i has the shaft length of a traditional 7i, it flew like a 7i, I stop it on a green like a 7i but the reduced loft means the distance I get is actually slightly longer than my Yonex 6i: does that make the M1 7i a 7i or a 6i? For me it meant dropping a 4i from my bag and adding an extra wedge into the bag. S
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