The trigger on the DeWalt is a game changer for me...and I have several M12 tools, the ratchet (with a trigger/paddle) and the rotary tool with the variable speed dial. Much prefer having the trigger. And actually because of the angle on the Milwaukee it can't stand on it's battery, always has to be laying on it's side, minor detail, but with those two issues I will be getting the DeWalt... thanks for the review.
At 5:48 you seem to say that Dewalt can be (in some ways) a better choice if you aren't worried about cutting straight lines, but at 5:15 you said it's easier to cut a straight line with the DeWalt. Please clarify? Which is better at cutting straight lines? Thanks for the video!
Sure, actually I said it's a better choice if you don't want to worry about cutting straight lines meaning it's easier to cut straight with the DeWalt because it's slower with a stiffer head. You can cut just as straight but much faster with the FUEL if you're competent with tools.
@@toolrev Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the same thing as the other guy cause of the wording. Really appreciate the response. If no skill and want straight lines but slow = dewalt. If you're more pro, the milwaukee is faster but you gotta be a pro to be able to attain straight lines.
I bought the m12 the other day. Tried sanding with it today. I think I had it turned up to 6 or 8. Dunno which. The newly charged battery lasted for about 5 minutes, maybe less, so I lessened the speed to its slowest. I would like to see a battery test under load to see how long it lasts compared to others. I do like it though. don't get me wrong I just didn't think about the battery not lasting as long if I had it turned up.
I feel kinda bad now because in one edit of this review I recommend not getting the M12 because these tools use a lot of juice if used for anything serious. Maybe I'll reupload it with that part included. I'd return the m12 for the m18, which is almost exactly the same size.
Well, unless this is your first cordless tool purchase you're going to go with the brand that you're vested in because you've already got batteries and charger. The one design flaw I would peg on the Milwaukee is that you can't set it down vertical on the battery. Why did they angle it like that?
I think they did it on purpose so that you can't put it down vertically. This way the tool has less chances of breaking because of tipping over. Just my guess.
Good because it will take twice as long with the DeWalt so you'll need 2 of them plus paying another guy to get the same amount done as one Milwaukee. You're really coming out ahead eh? 😂😂😂
@@jamesnm21 different strokes for different folks I’m just a weekend warrior DIY fixer upper so the dewalt will work for me for half the price ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@tiekuhn3839 understandable. I'd still get the Milwaukee because it's much smoother to operate. I've used the DeWalt and it vibrates quite a bit more.
@@tiekuhn3839Respect for accepting the reality, a lot of home owners consider themselves somewhat of a professional. I keep telling people to stop buying contractor tools to do basic diy every now and then.
milwaukee clearly more powerful and faster but the problem is the much wider oscillation...if i'm cutting a molding and i can't damage the wood floor perpendicular to it, i can't have this wide of oscillation... i need it as narrow as possible, i don't care if it takes a little longer, that's not the prime concern oh and the "easier to cut a straight line" part matters massively for what i do
@@toolrev got my m18 fuel the other day, absolutely destroyed the dewalt dcs355 and the m18 bmt with it, fastest cutting multi tool i’ve ever seen, stay safe!
The only thing I like about that Dewalt is the blade switch function. Just like my old corded Porter Cable. However, that's the end of Dewalt pros on oscillating tool.
Dremel and Milwaukee in this vid. I like Dremel and Bosch carbides for metal and pretty much any brand of wood blade is decent on clean wood. Milwaukee carbides suck and if Titanium blades have some worth I haven't seen it.
Milwaukee. It's not about speed alone. It's about precision, ease of use, ergonomics and vibration. What I would like to see is a 180 degree light on all these tools at least... Sometimes I move blade on 90 to make cut. So the light stays 90 degrees to the blade. I don't think it would be difficult to do something like that.
Im waiting for milwaukee to make the chuck better I want a multitool but, I used my boss' and the dewalt multi tool and hackzall are designed way better than the milwaukee. I like milwaukee alot but, they're slacking on their saws big time. Their sawzall is still the best but the hackzall, the multitool, circular and mitre saw dewalt takes the cake. If speed is all you're after milwaukee is great. Thats their biggest gimmick "our tool does it faster" okay but do your tools last as long do your batteries perform as well in various temperature ranges? Ect. Theres so much more to tools than just the speed and the colour red!
It will take whatever, universal, Starlock, etc, with no adapter needed, which is one of the things that makes it's blade change system superior to the DeWalt.
Where I am that Dewalt is a $129 tool. Milwaukee is $299 tool only. Although there is a sale for $259 or so for the tool and 5ah battery charger and bag. Looks like with the dewalt you can get a similar deal for like $200-$225. So quite a bit cheaper overall IMO. I own the Milwaukee by the way.
All your speed cuts looked much cleaner with the DeWalt. It took more time but much cleaner cuts. Variable speed trigger looks much handier. I'm surprised you prefer the Milwaukee. None of your cuts with it looked very clean.
I'm getting the bosch 18v gop 34 build quality is first rate , and they have reduced the vibration by 50% on this model , and the blade change is the best on the market , don't like the milwaukee because of the pin you have to use to change the blade
Seems biased. Dewalt battery in your unit, more accuracy from dewalt, faster blade change in dewalt, loose floppy chuck on Milwaukee, 3 different Milwaukee’s “A” speed not working as designed but still better 🤔. It cuts faster for sure
Yeah it's crazy how Milwaukee does so good. DeWalt works and I haven't had any issues with them. I currently own 4 brands of tools. Milwaukee ( work) DeWalt ( work) metabo( spare) and Ryobi( trying out) . There is no rule that says you cant own more than one brand
You have the BEST real life comparison vs many other with all the gimmick of 'tests' but they don't compare comparable devices under real load. Thanks. I am not a loyalist and invest in the right tool for the right job - not the brand. I have invested in batteries of all 3 - Milwuakee, DeWalt and Makita.
How can be such a difference if all tools have nearly the same oscillation rate i.e. 20000 With the same brand new blade? Or is it the blades that come respectively with each tool? Does it let you push more because of more power before it begin to "jam"? In theory same "rpm" with the same new blade should not have that much difference in times
No-load speed is just a nominal measurement, most electric motors of this size have an RPM around 20,000-25,000, that they are all the same around 20,000 just indicates that these multi tools are all direct drive and do not have any kind of bevel gear differential or gearbox to produce more torque and inertia. That doesn't mean the electric motors or the drive method are identical I want to say I find it odd that you chose to comment on a video without watching it 🤨
I have both I prefer the dewalt for drywall cuts, the Milwaukee for everything else, just like their impact drivers dewalt atomic little guy for self taps and drywall screws but Milwaukee for lugs and lags, either for deck screws they both run hot after a few hundred or a couple handfuls of holes with a boar bit depends on sizes
Someone told me that the adapters don't allow full power to the tool. I haven't noticed with my Ryobi impact. The Ryobi adapter let's you use DeWalt or Milwaukee so it's real nice for someone who has DeWalt and Milwaukee batteries
the 11 months later part is so invaluable
thank you so much , you're the true Top G
Thanks for the months later follow up. I think all reviews should be revisited after spending some time using them.
The trigger on the DeWalt is a game changer for me...and I have several M12 tools, the ratchet (with a trigger/paddle) and the rotary tool with the variable speed dial. Much prefer having the trigger. And actually because of the angle on the Milwaukee it can't stand on it's battery, always has to be laying on it's side, minor detail, but with those two issues I will be getting the DeWalt... thanks for the review.
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At 5:48 you seem to say that Dewalt can be (in some ways) a better choice if you aren't worried about cutting straight lines, but at 5:15 you said it's easier to cut a straight line with the DeWalt. Please clarify? Which is better at cutting straight lines? Thanks for the video!
Sure, actually I said it's a better choice if you don't want to worry about cutting straight lines meaning it's easier to cut straight with the DeWalt because it's slower with a stiffer head. You can cut just as straight but much faster with the FUEL if you're competent with tools.
@@toolrev Thanks very much for the clarification. Very interesting! Subscribed to your channel now. Have a great day!
@@toolrev Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the same thing as the other guy cause of the wording. Really appreciate the response.
If no skill and want straight lines but slow = dewalt.
If you're more pro, the milwaukee is faster but you gotta be a pro to be able to attain straight lines.
@@drunkntigr @drunkntigr I'll just restate this as: It's easier to cut straight lines with the DeWalt, regardless of your skill level.
This was exactly the video I wanted. Thanks!!
Apples and oranges! I would hope that any tool that costs over twice as much as another would perform a little better😮
tool only costs very close to the same...
@@vitalsteve1 Not sure where you’re getting your numbers? The Dewalt with a battery and charger is $179, the Milwaukee is $229 for the tool only😂
@@stevez340 you can get the dewalt for 100 bucks right now at Lowe’s with the battery and charger
@@JesusG-rd5mt If it is “brushless”, and comes with a battery and charger, then💥💥💥but if not, then😩
I bought the m12 the other day. Tried sanding with it today. I think I had it turned up to 6 or 8. Dunno which. The newly charged battery lasted for about 5 minutes, maybe less, so I lessened the speed to its slowest.
I would like to see a battery test under load to see how long it lasts compared to others.
I do like it though. don't get me wrong I just didn't think about the battery not lasting as long if I had it turned up.
I feel kinda bad now because in one edit of this review I recommend not getting the M12 because these tools use a lot of juice if used for anything serious. Maybe I'll reupload it with that part included. I'd return the m12 for the m18, which is almost exactly the same size.
What ah batter are you running it with? If you're using a standard 1.5ah battery you probably wouldn't get much use out of it.
@@BoneCK15
Using it often now. Has plenty of power at 2 and lasts much longer. I had it set to high.
Great review, thank you
I don't know why DeWalt hasn't released a new model in so many years.
$99 for the dewalt dcs356 with bag, battery, charger at the big box stores
I like the blade changing on the dewalt. , less changing time, Thanks good video😊
Well, unless this is your first cordless tool purchase you're going to go with the brand that you're vested in because you've already got batteries and charger. The one design flaw I would peg on the Milwaukee is that you can't set it down vertical on the battery. Why did they angle it like that?
I think they did it on purpose so that you can't put it down vertically. This way the tool has less chances of breaking because of tipping over. Just my guess.
Great tests! keep up! Thx
Still like the Dewalt. I like the control..
Says no one ever
What control? That Dewalt vibrates more than my ex-toys. Get M12 or the latest Makita if you want to refine control on the oscillating tool.
Milwaukee is the best in the world
the Milwaukee seems like it takes the cake but I can currently by 2 of the of the Dewalts for the same price as the M18 fuel where I'm at
Good because it will take twice as long with the DeWalt so you'll need 2 of them plus paying another guy to get the same amount done as one Milwaukee. You're really coming out ahead eh? 😂😂😂
@@jamesnm21 different strokes for different folks I’m just a weekend warrior DIY fixer upper so the dewalt will work for me for half the price ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@tiekuhn3839 understandable. I'd still get the Milwaukee because it's much smoother to operate. I've used the DeWalt and it vibrates quite a bit more.
@@tiekuhn3839Respect for accepting the reality, a lot of home owners consider themselves somewhat of a professional. I keep telling people to stop buying contractor tools to do basic diy every now and then.
@@mr-toyotabut contractor tools are fun
milwaukee clearly more powerful and faster but the problem is the much wider oscillation...if i'm cutting a molding and i can't damage the wood floor perpendicular to it, i can't have this wide of oscillation... i need it as narrow as possible, i don't care if it takes a little longer, that's not the prime concern
oh and the "easier to cut a straight line" part matters massively for what i do
I like that the DeWalt will hang by the release lever on a tool bag
I would like to see the Flex go head to head too.
As a pro carpenter and builder I only rely on Milwaukee.Durability and extreme quality achieved with these tools.
the chuck moves on the milwaukee to reduce vibrations👍🏻
@@toolrev got my m18 fuel the other day, absolutely destroyed the dewalt dcs355 and the m18 bmt with it, fastest cutting multi tool i’ve ever seen, stay safe!
Do you know how change the carbon?
The only thing I like about that Dewalt is the blade switch function. Just like my old corded Porter Cable. However, that's the end of Dewalt pros on oscillating tool.
Great review and great tool also. The M18 fuel play no games
what blades did you use?
Dremel and Milwaukee in this vid. I like Dremel and Bosch carbides for metal and pretty much any brand of wood blade is decent on clean wood. Milwaukee carbides suck and if Titanium blades have some worth I haven't seen it.
Thank you.
Czy utnie pręt gwintowany i go wykończy aby nakręcić nakrętkę? To jedyna czynność jakiej nie mam pewności że zrobi po za szlifierką kątową..
Milwaukee. It's not about speed alone. It's about precision, ease of use, ergonomics and vibration. What I would like to see is a 180 degree light on all these tools at least... Sometimes I move blade on 90 to make cut. So the light stays 90 degrees to the blade. I don't think it would be difficult to do something like that.
Im waiting for milwaukee to make the chuck better I want a multitool but, I used my boss' and the dewalt multi tool and hackzall are designed way better than the milwaukee. I like milwaukee alot but, they're slacking on their saws big time. Their sawzall is still the best but the hackzall, the multitool, circular and mitre saw dewalt takes the cake. If speed is all you're after milwaukee is great. Thats their biggest gimmick "our tool does it faster" okay but do your tools last as long do your batteries perform as well in various temperature ranges? Ect. Theres so much more to tools than just the speed and the colour red!
I don’t own a multi tool. After seeing this video I feel I have to get one. Very informative brother. Great job👊
You don't know how much you need it until you own one. I have the m18 Milwaukee fuel, a real problem solver!
@@qusaiqarqaz5941 for sure. Beats trying to force a recip saw in a tight spot
What type of blade milwaukee use?
It will take whatever, universal, Starlock, etc, with no adapter needed, which is one of the things that makes it's blade change system superior to the DeWalt.
I've always been a dewalt guy but Milwaukee clearly made a better oscillator than dewalt.
Thanks for the video.
yeah, it's one of those tools that got me to stop saying "get whatever you platform is because they are all the same."
Where I am that Dewalt is a $129 tool. Milwaukee is $299 tool only. Although there is a sale for $259 or so for the tool and 5ah battery charger and bag. Looks like with the dewalt you can get a similar deal for like $200-$225. So quite a bit cheaper overall IMO. I own the Milwaukee by the way.
Lowes has this for $99 with battery and charger thru 7-31.
Could you do another Battle with the new Makita XMT04ZB 18V LXT?
Here you go Sergio - www.toolrev.com/the-makita-starlockmax-multi-tool-xmt04zb-lacks-power/
It’s all blade dependent regardless of which tool you use
Milwaukee is going to beat DeWalt every time because it oscillates 1 degree more every oscillation. Add that up and you will cut faster.
I'm just not sure if that translates to clean cut without damaging adjacent surface. For instance cutting base on floor.
Yeah agree with Milwaukee faster for sure great tool , but for precise cuts I feel Milwaukee like a Machete and Dewalt like a scalpel
@@xristmnah
All your speed cuts looked much cleaner with the DeWalt. It took more time but much cleaner cuts. Variable speed trigger looks much handier. I'm surprised you prefer the Milwaukee. None of your cuts with it looked very clean.
Copper was not properly fixed and secured on the DeWalt section and was moving a bit forward. Not fair play.
you should get the DeWalt
@@toolrev thank you. I do have their stuff
I'm getting the bosch 18v gop 34 build quality is first rate , and they have reduced the vibration by 50% on this model , and the blade change is the best on the market , don't like the milwaukee because of the pin you have to use to change the blade
Seems biased. Dewalt battery in your unit, more accuracy from dewalt, faster blade change in dewalt, loose floppy chuck on Milwaukee, 3 different Milwaukee’s “A” speed not working as designed but still better 🤔. It cuts faster for sure
How tf does the Milwaukee have way more degree of oscillation and way less vibration? 😵💫
Maybe the floating chuck where the DeWalt is stiff.
@@toolrev oh, ok. The more videos I see, the more I regret not going Milwaukee. Lol
Yeah it's crazy how Milwaukee does so good. DeWalt works and I haven't had any issues with them. I currently own 4 brands of tools. Milwaukee ( work) DeWalt ( work) metabo( spare) and Ryobi( trying out) . There is no rule that says you cant own more than one brand
Milwaukee needs to get like DeWalt change out blades
@@donaldstepp4850yeah but the other ones look bad in my packouts 😬
Try the Dewalt's 12v with a 5Ah battery. It's twice as fast as Dewalt's 20v with a 5Ah battery and a lot smaller and lighter
How can that be? Surely the 18v uses a lot more power
Powerstack puts out good power, the 12v line is just too limited, too little power
Spoken by someone who has never used these tools 😂. It’s impossible for a 12v to put out more power than a 20v as the dang battery
@@josevazquez1042 If you've never used them why are you commenting? I build houses with them on a regular basis
@@josevazquez1042 So 20v tool battery has more power than a 12v car battery?
You have the BEST real life comparison vs many other with all the gimmick of 'tests' but they don't compare comparable devices under real load. Thanks. I am not a loyalist and invest in the right tool for the right job - not the brand. I have invested in batteries of all 3 - Milwuakee, DeWalt and Makita.
Thanks. I always say we're not pretending to do the scientific method here just trying to provide a good idea of what's going on.
How can be such a difference if all tools have nearly the same oscillation rate i.e. 20000
With the same brand new blade? Or is it the blades that come respectively with each tool?
Does it let you push more because of more power before it begin to "jam"?
In theory same "rpm" with the same new blade should not have that much difference in times
Ok i just see the angle on the Milwaukee… i listen only without viewing the screen so i missed out this detail🤣
No-load speed is just a nominal measurement, most electric motors of this size have an RPM around 20,000-25,000, that they are all the same around 20,000 just indicates that these multi tools are all direct drive and do not have any kind of bevel gear differential or gearbox to produce more torque and inertia. That doesn't mean the electric motors or the drive method are identical
I want to say I find it odd that you chose to comment on a video without watching it 🤨
I have both I prefer the dewalt for drywall cuts, the Milwaukee for everything else, just like their impact drivers dewalt atomic little guy for self taps and drywall screws but Milwaukee for lugs and lags, either for deck screws they both run hot after a few hundred or a couple handfuls of holes with a boar bit depends on sizes
I'll still take it the Dewalt
Then you didn’t watch the video or you’re not very bright
👍👍👍
I didnt knew that you could switch batteries between dewalt and milwaukee
you can if you're not afraid of using battery adapters
Someone told me that the adapters don't allow full power to the tool. I haven't noticed with my Ryobi impact. The Ryobi adapter let's you use DeWalt or Milwaukee so it's real nice for someone who has DeWalt and Milwaukee batteries
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Deawalt multi tool sucks I just sold mine