After WEEKS and MONTHS of trying to piece together every component and trying hard but failing to read charts successfully I had an Eureka moment after listening to the explanation of Demetra George on this podcast and on another one. A lot of authors will tell the meanings of everything but provide little explanation on how to read and a step by step interpretation of everything. Or, when they explain it, they write it in a robotic cryptic manner or, when speaking, they will just give examples of things they already know and makes you wonder if they even know what they are doing. But Demetra is DIFFERENT. The way she explained in this and in another podcast is genius: first, we look at planets, a planet signifies something according to his natural significations and is living the experience of the house it's in because of the houses it rules. Then, it's condition will tell how successful it is at dealing with the experience of the house or how it's natural meanings are and it's dispositor will tell about the outcome of the planet's situation. The final step then is just studying the houses individually to analyze each area of life according to planets placed in them or aspecting them and the house ruler tells the outcome too of the topic. Seeing the houses as experiences and the distinction of what a planet means vs what it is responsible for blew my mind. Now I can interpret a chart with almost no problem! Demetra you're doing public service for astrology. THANK YOU! I'm looking foward to read more of your work.
Always excited for your conversations with Demetra! Just got my copy of Volume II and am now planning a readathon along with Astrology for Your Authentic Self and Volume I to put all the pieces together🤗
I absolutely loved this discussion, one of my favorites! Demetra is a gifted teacher, the way she explained the houses starting from the ASC, moving clockwise was terrific. I just recently heard that the 4th house related to death, she explained so well. Grateful, Thankyou Demetra and Chris🌞💫✨
It is very important that dear Demetra George gifted us and future generations with such a valuable work. A real labor of love and devotion. We are very lucky. It is also striking to see that she has Uranus lunar node conjunction which is now repeating with this solar eclipse.
These strings of fate entwined together such a gift to us all. To set a foundation uncompromised, maintain integrity of texts by ancient authors - critical for the future of astrology. Preserving astrological text may prove to be an equally vital historical resource & contribution to other fields of study. ...I can only imagine challenges involved to bring work to press. A steadfast priority of safeguarding the language, is an admirable feat in & of itself. Congratulations on your book release Demetra 👏 🌬💜
Ugh, two legends bringing tears to my eyes at the end. Seeing you thank each other😭, Thank you BOTH for your tremendous generosity and intellectual stamina that exudes through everything you publish. Indeed--you two are pillars in this community and have been such a fantastic resource. It's always nice to reach for your channel, no matter the mood. Blessings sent your way for your time at NORWAC! Eager to join next year :D
I was very happy when Demetra announced that the Vol. II is available on Amazon... I tried to buy it but for some unknown reason (to me), there are some shipment restrictions to Europe (Croatia) and I cannot buy it. I tried also on Amazon UK but the book is not yet available (in stock)... I hope the situation will improve soon. I really want this book on my shelf! :)
So thankful to you both. Demetra teaches me so much. P.s. my father died when transiting Saturn in the 7th squared my natal Saturn in the 4th (two houses also implicated in setting/death).
YES! Such a lovely early morning surprise! Chris' misspoken Labor Day/Memorial Day reminds me of a thing a friend used to say after a misstep, "Eh, Earth time! The second you know what time it is, they change it on ya." =.)Bless you, bless you, bless you, for all of the intelligent and gleaming gems this podcast has brought into our lives.
Just watching it during the eclipse and seeing Chris showing Demetra's chart. What a treat! The kind of episode one watches again and again. Thanks, Chris! Thanks, Demetra! Can't wait to have my copy. Now, we just need an audiobook version. Haha!
I have ordered Volume 1 based on this talk. I will be ordering Volume 2... soon (when I can save up my pennies). Thank you both for all you give to the Astrological community
Thanks for this. Amazing. What a joy of a conversation with insights on the knowledge. I heard words I had never heard before and cannot even remember or pronounce them here now. The main topic for me is to see how profound and vast astrology can be. I think those new are Greek.
Those two books are at the top of my read list. Just to state as a sign of the times with what Demetra was saying.. one of my favorite shows was HBO’s Watchmen series which was inspired by how the accurate history of the Tulsa Massacre isn’t told, which is a commonly stated thing which is often found within the same argument that we should soften history because it could upset people who also feel history should be told in its brutal honesty and not washed. It creates an incompatible duality just in attitude. One of the most horrific events in American history was triggered by what we call a “Karen” today, there’s modern use to know the story. I think Demetra made good choices with what she’s saying here that you don’t to soften it where it loses it’s meaning while trying to also make it easier to understand more modernly. I like that the 6th was focused because I had so many issues agreeing or seeing the 6th house moon in my natal. Now, I’ll say that placement comes (in part) from a family lineage that viewed children as producing a work labor force to survive like farming. A child born into the family was considered a servant to the parents. Explained more modern, I found little to no connection to it because it’s described as a positive experience. I also enjoyed the 6th emphasis because I searched for examples of a 6th to better understand it and found the Depp trial to be amazingly informative even though he falls into the 6th in the 7th where I’m 6th in 1st. The Depp-Heard trial is an astrology wet dream, especially with Heard’s recent psychological profile. Her chart isn’t timed but you can look for how planets are acting like Mars in Capricorn with a Neptune Capricorn retrograde then libra moon. Depp’s looks accurately timed so his testimony is very interesting. My current dilemma is my biggest astrological hole in learning is degrees and I am finding myself actually wanting to sort that out. Shifting to whole signs my eyes are going to a 1st house Virgo Saturn at 2 degrees like it matters, but I don’t understand degrees enough to actually make a judgment. If it’s what I’m thinking, that Saturn is kinda mean. Saturn is what initially sparked my interest in astrology which died out fairly quickly over time so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a key to figuring something out. So far, this podcast has completely shifted my opinion on Hellenistic where I wasn’t at all fond of it and actually thinking it’s significantly better and more accurate even though I’d argue modern does have its points. Yet, even with modern interpretations of Saturn I don’t get the “1st house Saturn” but more traditional description description I know exactly what it is where I kind of chuckle and state “that placement is off the rails sometimes..” when I looked into the 12th I did find that putting Neptune describing it may have messed it up. But I’m also holding off on judgment because I don’t know degrees well where some placements may have Neptune similarities as opposed to others.
Listened to this one again factoring in a reading list order. I was actually reading Valens a little while listening, decided to go bottom to top. Of course, reading parts of the Valens made me smile in terms of things mentioned in the episode, even in relation to my natal chart. Some things others may get upset about, I’m all “ouch, but it’s actually true.” An example is that traditional/Hellenistic astrology isn’t my interest in more or less studying astrology, I’m more into the psychological/spiritual side which is where I find the most “red flags”, but traditional/Hellenistic as the necessary foundation is unavoidable and it’s unavoidable that it’s likely also necessary to break apart modern and reassemble it more accurately now that the foundation is there. Testing how others would react to that, some of what Valens says about some natal placements pop up as they do in other areas. It’s also kinda virgo to be all “take it apart and put it back together”. I don’t see the problem, the psychological field is a soft science and a mess that needs constant alteration. I do agree that a Jungian lens is good for astrology which has its own implications related to how psychologically and spirituality mixed or are the same. Coming off the libra sign episode, I found it interesting (personally) that it’s difficult for me to bring up Venus/mars/Pluto in conjunction in libra without the obvious influence of moon trine in Aquarius EVEN in terms of how the 9th house taurus profection Venus return surfaced. This pulled an emphasis on 2 musical bands I only had a fleeting interest in or none. Melodrom was one, Laibach was another. It’s hard to ignore the Aquarius side just in that Melodrom is pop, but very obscure with only maybe 100k fans worldwide primarily just because they’re Slovaks. Which brings up Laibach which is Slovakian, the band formed from being ruled by communists forced to work as miners where they made music using mining tools. Of course, a common topic talked about today is how the word slave came from (specifically) the Slovak people. So that Venus return (even having a heavy emphasis of Venus libra themes) brought up a lot in terms of a 6th house Aquarius moon. There’s a lot to unpack there. At this point, the only house system to work is traditional whole signs and I’m seeing limited usefulness in quadrant. I know a lot of people with “intercepted signs” which are noticeable, I’m just where I’m not convinced this isn’t coming from something else or meaningful enough to matter. Quadrants results in my own mental gymnastics, whole signs are often a blunt “yes” which have also needed breaking off modern interpretations. My core interest relates to how I’ve used astrology over a long period of time as a life utility very casually finding it much more difficult to do as popularity has risen where it feels like a dog chasing their own tail. There can be an argument that’s good, but it’s not good for a person who’s coming into astrology with a clean slate with these easy to access tools to find the information found supports skeptics, not astrologers. Traditional has elements that, even though I think they’re awesome, wouldn’t fit well with what I’d be energized to work with. Yet, much of it seems necessary to have an accurate model. I did laugh a little when I watched a recent interview with Laibach where they said the only reason they’re “controversial” is misunderstanding that they’re for peace and harmony, not unity from their experiences of unity equaling totalitarianism. “People talk about things from reading about them, we lived it so we have a different perspective.” “We like to always give a choice, reporters always go with the most sensational images which is very telling about their true points of view. In the end, we are just wearing a uniform worn by Marlon Brando”. (They did a photo shoot in different clothes, the ones used by the media were the ones referring the film Morituri/The Saboteur: Code Name Morituri. They were costumes from that film.) One of my favorite songs is “du bist unser” which has inflammatory subjects about how we live separately now, but our spirits are of one. It sounds horrific if you don’t look up the translation. I had a thought about astrologers bringing up how they hate pop astrology and memes; I could agree and shift it to pop music playing music that would nauseate the audience. More serious, moving to whole signs with a traditional view on the house meaning may be the most profoundly positive approach. One part is my natal moon being in the 5th in quadrants never seemed right, but neither did the 6th in modern. Moon being in a house of “servitude” (has to read into more to fully make sense) does accurately describe it. In a lot of ways, it oddly showed up in stated Venus return. Semi related, I appreciate the work being done and it’s been the best time to start deep diving into astrology for this specific reason: you’ll get pushback especially by those too attached to how they view things. We all do it in some way.
Another book that I really want to get! Can't wait to read it. A lot of great books are being released during this time, is it a Jupiter in Pisces thing 🤔?
Is this book available in kindle format? Also, this talk really hit the spot in terms of 3rd house, I had real trouble with understanding that house till Demetra explained it.
RE: the Epikratator/Oikodespotes/Kyrios/etc. Let's not forget Dorian Greenbaum's Daimon in Hellenistic Astrology (2015). It was fantastic and exhaustive, I thought, but not as broad as Brennan's and George's two books, of course - both of which I have and cherish. Greenbaum's study was tightly focused on the Daimon.
Dear broadcaster. Engage somebody who can speak the same things in British English because we Indians are not quite aquainted with American accent. Hopefully expecting. Sivaraj kumbakonam
I love Demtetra and Chris. As astrologers we should be very thankful for their work
WE LOVE THE LEGEND ICON MYTH AND STAR MS DEMETRA GEORGE. such honor to study this sacred text through her lens, a true icon.
After WEEKS and MONTHS of trying to piece together every component and trying hard but failing to read charts successfully I had an Eureka moment after listening to the explanation of Demetra George on this podcast and on another one. A lot of authors will tell the meanings of everything but provide little explanation on how to read and a step by step interpretation of everything. Or, when they explain it, they write it in a robotic cryptic manner or, when speaking, they will just give examples of things they already know and makes you wonder if they even know what they are doing. But Demetra is DIFFERENT. The way she explained in this and in another podcast is genius: first, we look at planets, a planet signifies something according to his natural significations and is living the experience of the house it's in because of the houses it rules. Then, it's condition will tell how successful it is at dealing with the experience of the house or how it's natural meanings are and it's dispositor will tell about the outcome of the planet's situation. The final step then is just studying the houses individually to analyze each area of life according to planets placed in them or aspecting them and the house ruler tells the outcome too of the topic. Seeing the houses as experiences and the distinction of what a planet means vs what it is responsible for blew my mind. Now I can interpret a chart with almost no problem! Demetra you're doing public service for astrology. THANK YOU! I'm looking foward to read more of your work.
We're so lucky to live in the same time of Demetra George, seriously 🔥and also Chris, lots of gratittude for your exceptional work!
hearing them thank each other for their work was emotional and moving
I loved that as well.
Freaking out over this release, what an honour ❤️
Always excited for your conversations with Demetra! Just got my copy of Volume II and am now planning a readathon along with Astrology for Your Authentic Self and Volume I to put all the pieces together🤗
I just bought your book and Demetra’s vol 1 book. Thank you guys for all that you've given to the astrology community.
Congratulations on your NEW BOOK, DEMETRA....📖
Chris with the post-midnight upload, thank you very much!
Right!!!! I was going to check the weather before cleaning the house! Lol!
I absolutely loved this discussion, one of my favorites! Demetra is a gifted teacher, the way she explained the houses starting from the ASC, moving clockwise was terrific. I just recently heard that the 4th house related to death, she explained so well.
Grateful, Thankyou Demetra and Chris🌞💫✨
I purchased the new book! So grateful. Wonderful education.
Thank you. Most informative as always.
It is very important that dear Demetra George gifted us and future generations with such a valuable work. A real labor of love and devotion. We are very lucky. It is also striking to see that she has Uranus lunar node conjunction which is now repeating with this solar eclipse.
Agreed !
Thank you for all that you do for the Astrological Community
How much I love this conversation. It is solid information from Demetra about the ancient astrology!
I am so glad that she finally managed to release it. I am going to purchase mine asap. I found the first volume really good.
Excellent collaboration and content!!
Great interview -congrats to you Demetra George, a labor of love. I ordered my copy .
These strings of fate entwined together such a gift to us all.
To set a foundation uncompromised, maintain integrity of texts by ancient authors - critical for the future of astrology. Preserving astrological text may prove to be an equally vital historical resource & contribution to other fields of study.
...I can only imagine challenges involved to bring work to press. A steadfast priority of safeguarding the language, is an admirable feat in & of itself.
Congratulations on your book release Demetra 👏
🌬💜
Ugh, two legends bringing tears to my eyes at the end. Seeing you thank each other😭, Thank you BOTH for your tremendous generosity and intellectual stamina that exudes through everything you publish. Indeed--you two are pillars in this community and have been such a fantastic resource. It's always nice to reach for your channel, no matter the mood. Blessings sent your way for your time at NORWAC! Eager to join next year :D
Love, Love, Love!!!! My favorite Astrologers!
Iconic. Thank you for your work and this interview!
Thank you for another great interview!😊
Brilliant news. Shall order my copy. Thanks Chris
Really glad I got to see Demetra at norwac this year. Fascinating talk.
I cannot wait to get a copy of your new book volume 2!
Thank you for your intense work in this field. 🙏 ☯️ ❤
got the first volume. going to get the 2nd hopefully next weekend
Yay...Fantastic...I've ordered mine I can hardly wait.. I'm so excited.
I was very happy when Demetra announced that the Vol. II is available on Amazon... I tried to buy it but for some unknown reason (to me), there are some shipment restrictions to Europe (Croatia) and I cannot buy it. I tried also on Amazon UK but the book is not yet available (in stock)... I hope the situation will improve soon. I really want this book on my shelf! :)
Not available in Germany also
So thankful to you both. Demetra teaches me so much. P.s. my father died when transiting Saturn in the 7th squared my natal Saturn in the 4th (two houses also implicated in setting/death).
YES! Such a lovely early morning surprise! Chris' misspoken Labor Day/Memorial Day reminds me of a thing a friend used to say after a misstep, "Eh, Earth time! The second you know what time it is, they change it on ya." =.)Bless you, bless you, bless you, for all of the intelligent and gleaming gems this podcast has brought into our lives.
Just watching it during the eclipse and seeing Chris showing Demetra's chart. What a treat! The kind of episode one watches again and again. Thanks, Chris! Thanks, Demetra!
Can't wait to have my copy. Now, we just need an audiobook version. Haha!
Yayyyy..... I am anxiously waiting for my copy that I ordered directly from Rubedo Press!
Yes got it off them today 😀
demetra's journey is mythical, she really moves my heart. my venus jupiter piscis conjunction wish is to have this book, what a dream
Liked before watching because Chris always gets a like before watching but this!! What a cherry 🍒 on top of my regular already amazing Sunday.
I have ordered Volume 1 based on this talk. I will be ordering Volume 2... soon (when I can save up my pennies). Thank you both for all you give to the Astrological community
So much knowledge! Thank you both! 💫
Excellent. Thank you both🙏♥️
Congrats for this book. Thank you, both.
Thanks for this. Amazing. What a joy of a conversation with insights on the knowledge. I heard words I had never heard before and cannot even remember or pronounce them here now. The main topic for me is to see how profound and vast astrology can be. I think those new are Greek.
Those two books are at the top of my read list.
Just to state as a sign of the times with what Demetra was saying.. one of my favorite shows was HBO’s Watchmen series which was inspired by how the accurate history of the Tulsa Massacre isn’t told, which is a commonly stated thing which is often found within the same argument that we should soften history because it could upset people who also feel history should be told in its brutal honesty and not washed. It creates an incompatible duality just in attitude. One of the most horrific events in American history was triggered by what we call a “Karen” today, there’s modern use to know the story. I think Demetra made good choices with what she’s saying here that you don’t to soften it where it loses it’s meaning while trying to also make it easier to understand more modernly. I like that the 6th was focused because I had so many issues agreeing or seeing the 6th house moon in my natal. Now, I’ll say that placement comes (in part) from a family lineage that viewed children as producing a work labor force to survive like farming. A child born into the family was considered a servant to the parents. Explained more modern, I found little to no connection to it because it’s described as a positive experience. I also enjoyed the 6th emphasis because I searched for examples of a 6th to better understand it and found the Depp trial to be amazingly informative even though he falls into the 6th in the 7th where I’m 6th in 1st. The Depp-Heard trial is an astrology wet dream, especially with Heard’s recent psychological profile. Her chart isn’t timed but you can look for how planets are acting like Mars in Capricorn with a Neptune Capricorn retrograde then libra moon. Depp’s looks accurately timed so his testimony is very interesting.
My current dilemma is my biggest astrological hole in learning is degrees and I am finding myself actually wanting to sort that out. Shifting to whole signs my eyes are going to a 1st house Virgo Saturn at 2 degrees like it matters, but I don’t understand degrees enough to actually make a judgment. If it’s what I’m thinking, that Saturn is kinda mean. Saturn is what initially sparked my interest in astrology which died out fairly quickly over time so I wouldn’t be surprised if that’s a key to figuring something out.
So far, this podcast has completely shifted my opinion on Hellenistic where I wasn’t at all fond of it and actually thinking it’s significantly better and more accurate even though I’d argue modern does have its points. Yet, even with modern interpretations of Saturn I don’t get the “1st house Saturn” but more traditional description description I know exactly what it is where I kind of chuckle and state “that placement is off the rails sometimes..”
when I looked into the 12th I did find that putting Neptune describing it may have messed it up. But I’m also holding off on judgment because I don’t know degrees well where some placements may have Neptune similarities as opposed to others.
Congratulations!!! It just got real! Time to start doing reading after this one!!!!
Been reading Vol 2 non stop! Can't wait to re-read it once I'm done.
Great Work!
Awesome episode Chris!
got my volume 2 book. great stuff.
Thank you!
I love discovering what people were up to during the Uranus Neptune conjunction 🖤
Listened to this one again factoring in a reading list order. I was actually reading Valens a little while listening, decided to go bottom to top. Of course, reading parts of the Valens made me smile in terms of things mentioned in the episode, even in relation to my natal chart. Some things others may get upset about, I’m all “ouch, but it’s actually true.”
An example is that traditional/Hellenistic astrology isn’t my interest in more or less studying astrology, I’m more into the psychological/spiritual side which is where I find the most “red flags”, but traditional/Hellenistic as the necessary foundation is unavoidable and it’s unavoidable that it’s likely also necessary to break apart modern and reassemble it more accurately now that the foundation is there. Testing how others would react to that, some of what Valens says about some natal placements pop up as they do in other areas. It’s also kinda virgo to be all “take it apart and put it back together”. I don’t see the problem, the psychological field is a soft science and a mess that needs constant alteration. I do agree that a Jungian lens is good for astrology which has its own implications related to how psychologically and spirituality mixed or are the same.
Coming off the libra sign episode, I found it interesting (personally) that it’s difficult for me to bring up Venus/mars/Pluto in conjunction in libra without the obvious influence of moon trine in Aquarius EVEN in terms of how the 9th house taurus profection Venus return surfaced. This pulled an emphasis on 2 musical bands I only had a fleeting interest in or none. Melodrom was one, Laibach was another. It’s hard to ignore the Aquarius side just in that Melodrom is pop, but very obscure with only maybe 100k fans worldwide primarily just because they’re Slovaks. Which brings up Laibach which is Slovakian, the band formed from being ruled by communists forced to work as miners where they made music using mining tools. Of course, a common topic talked about today is how the word slave came from (specifically) the Slovak people. So that Venus return (even having a heavy emphasis of Venus libra themes) brought up a lot in terms of a 6th house Aquarius moon. There’s a lot to unpack there.
At this point, the only house system to work is traditional whole signs and I’m seeing limited usefulness in quadrant. I know a lot of people with “intercepted signs” which are noticeable, I’m just where I’m not convinced this isn’t coming from something else or meaningful enough to matter. Quadrants results in my own mental gymnastics, whole signs are often a blunt “yes” which have also needed breaking off modern interpretations.
My core interest relates to how I’ve used astrology over a long period of time as a life utility very casually finding it much more difficult to do as popularity has risen where it feels like a dog chasing their own tail. There can be an argument that’s good, but it’s not good for a person who’s coming into astrology with a clean slate with these easy to access tools to find the information found supports skeptics, not astrologers. Traditional has elements that, even though I think they’re awesome, wouldn’t fit well with what I’d be energized to work with. Yet, much of it seems necessary to have an accurate model.
I did laugh a little when I watched a recent interview with Laibach where they said the only reason they’re “controversial” is misunderstanding that they’re for peace and harmony, not unity from their experiences of unity equaling totalitarianism. “People talk about things from reading about them, we lived it so we have a different perspective.” “We like to always give a choice, reporters always go with the most sensational images which is very telling about their true points of view. In the end, we are just wearing a uniform worn by Marlon Brando”. (They did a photo shoot in different clothes, the ones used by the media were the ones referring the film Morituri/The Saboteur: Code Name Morituri. They were costumes from that film.) One of my favorite songs is “du bist unser” which has inflammatory subjects about how we live separately now, but our spirits are of one. It sounds horrific if you don’t look up the translation. I had a thought about astrologers bringing up how they hate pop astrology and memes; I could agree and shift it to pop music playing music that would nauseate the audience.
More serious, moving to whole signs with a traditional view on the house meaning may be the most profoundly positive approach. One part is my natal moon being in the 5th in quadrants never seemed right, but neither did the 6th in modern. Moon being in a house of “servitude” (has to read into more to fully make sense) does accurately describe it. In a lot of ways, it oddly showed up in stated Venus return. Semi related, I appreciate the work being done and it’s been the best time to start deep diving into astrology for this specific reason: you’ll get pushback especially by those too attached to how they view things. We all do it in some way.
Great interview thank you. Excited that the book has finally been released (although it's not available to buy in the UK yet:( )
Another book that I really want to get! Can't wait to read it. A lot of great books are being released during this time, is it a Jupiter in Pisces thing 🤔?
Hmm could be, what other great book has been released, that you are implying?
Yes, exciting concept. I quite agree.
Χαίρε Δημητερ!!! (Γειά σου Δήμητρα!!)
Is this book available in kindle format?
Also, this talk really hit the spot in terms of 3rd house, I had real trouble with understanding that house till Demetra explained it.
Ty
How amazing is this book and all the work and study it carries! 💗⭐🙏 I hope I can buy it soon!
At last!!!
Demetra!!
Oooo a late night post! 😁
Gotta catch that Pisces stellium with Sag rising, and Moon applying to conjoin Venus!
@@TheAstrologyPodcast honestly you never disappoint
RE: the Epikratator/Oikodespotes/Kyrios/etc. Let's not forget Dorian Greenbaum's Daimon in Hellenistic Astrology (2015). It was fantastic and exhaustive, I thought, but not as broad as Brennan's and George's two books, of course - both of which I have and cherish. Greenbaum's study was tightly focused on the Daimon.
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It works with the Thai Astrology only.
Volume 2 🤤
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80% of these podcasts result in a book purchase 🤓
Dear broadcaster. Engage somebody who can speak the same things in British English because we Indians are not quite aquainted with American accent. Hopefully expecting. Sivaraj kumbakonam
If the accent is what you have trouble with then why don't you turn on the subtitle/CC on the video settings.