A quick update on the status of this project: 1) I'm getting ahold of that A320 board tomorrow. Stay tuned. 2) The VGA driver was only needed for Bristol Ridge APUs. Prevents you from losing display out when flashing. There's an edit in the video that should nix those clips soon. 3) I ran a Cinebench single core test and a few games to track frequency over time. Seems the chip refused to boost past 4274MHz. Still gave us a 490 cb single-core score, so not bad, but the lack of PB2/XFR2 and PBO definitely shows. All-in, expect about a 5-10% performance drop when opting for a B350/X370 motherboard. This, of course, ignores any thermal limitations you may run into and also assumes you won't be manually overclocking. Thanks for watching!
AMD be like - Yo... If you board peeps want to allow people to throw a 400 dollar, powerful cpu on your cheap and affordable mobo, go right ahead. We are not stopping you Intel - Here is the same chip, on the same socket, but you need a new mobo, because... power limits.. yeh power limits, let us go with that.
I have an asus z170m-D3 board that uses ddr3, then bios modded to run i5-8400. It works, but no built in gpu support. So they could but just wouldn't because... reasons
@@Carbiniz3r hi sir may i know your motherboard brand/model..? because my current mobo is broken thats support ddr3, i dont know if practical to buy another mobo thats support ddr3 for my i5 6600k or to sell my ddr3 kits and the get ddr4 mobo ?
@@brokengames9020 Well, it isn't. Please open a dictionary and look up necessity. It is something you like. It isn't something required or intel would be outta business.
AMD DID promise that AM4 socket will be compatible up to 2020. and they're forward compatible to newer CPU with the proper BIOS update and backward compatible to older CPUs. as least the partner companies did tried verified that some of their B350 mobo can support Zen 2 CPUs...
Asrock b350 : um wait what the hell is an r9 3900x??? OMFGWTFBBQ it's a 12 core monster! I peed myself, that's why I needed to reboot 5 times before running.
Question. So I know with many boards a power loss during a bios flashing = instant paper weight. What about the dual bios boards? Isn't one of the two strictly a back-up bios? Just curious. And for the record I thought the exact same thing when thunder was mentioned. 😂
@@DopeBuildsGaming Best case scenario, the Dual Bios would save you. But would you want to test it? The "Do not turn off your computer!" warning during any Bios upgrade doesn't instill confidence.
@@MatthewRossNerd Nope, no desire to test it sir. Im pretty sure warranties dont cover stupidity. Lol Besides Ive always made it a policy to heed fair warning. ;)
Remember that most modern motherboards require multiple power cycles after major hardware changes (CPU/RAM). It is completely normal for it to cycle several times after any CPU swap
@@Rov-Nihil check the post code, if it dosnt have one consider getting a bios speaker to give ya a beep code. Which will help nail it down, if it just power cycles continuesly that is, but as others have said sometimes it just power cycles even with minut changes or power outages
Often what it is doing is trying various auto memory timings. CAS and friends are pretty well a fixed thing but the other timings that I can't think of the term for will change up on a hard boot. My Asus Sabertooth Z77 does that every time it is unplugged or I make changes. Just a reboot doesn't do it, but full power off does.
Great minds think alike 😎 I expected that the 3900X would boost beyond 4.1 or so, considering the TDP AMD measures is around the boost freq. I'm gonna check out VRM temps with probes so I'll report back. Glad you also tried this out because it's important for us cheapo people!
This is the main thing I wanted to see in all the reviews I have watched. You are the only one to do it! Thank you! I'll be upgrading my 1600 to a 3600x in my asrock 350 pro.
The Phoenix i dont think so really, since they still have headroom for innovation and x570 is the beginning of pci-e gen4 and more beafy VRM‘s soooo i think they will go for am4+ or am5
Magnus Nilsson But tbh, the average gamer/consumer doesnt need a faster cou than the 3700X or 3600X anyways. Just when you want to squeeze every last fps out of every game and you have a big wallet you go for the higher tiers :)
@@gamenikhd2001 Yes, the sweetspot is moving from 4 cores to 6 cores, but an 8 core would be nice to have in the future, say 2024 maybe, and you might not want to take the small step from a 4 core to a 6 core. A 12 core is for extreme enthusiasts, but if i were one of those I'd wait for the 16 core.
Magnus Nilsson Where have you seen this as when I checked just now they haven’t updated the cpu support page it only shows 2nd gen Ryzen as the latest ones despite them also having the bios for Ryzen 3rd gen on their site.
I have that exact board and was hoping to switch from a 1600 to the 3600, glad you tested this board and saved me from scouring the web to see if it would work. Thanks mate, great video.
Good to see people testing this! It appears that the 3900X consumes roughly the same sort of power as the 2700X, so that could be a good guide to use. The 3700X is likely the safer CPU to use and recommend though :)
*The reboots was because it was trying to train the memory.* It detected a new CPU so it had to train the memory again. Fun fact: my low end $50 MSI B350M PRO VD PLUS has support for Ryzen 3000 lol
Although I don't think there's a BIOS update released for it yet. I have a MSI B350M Gaming Pro and MSI hasn't released a BIOS update for it yet. Hopefully they'll provide the BIOS update for it soon cause it'll be nice to upgrade from a 1600 to a 3900x
@@FinaISpartan They had a Beta version for the Tomahawk B350 but it's now removed. I wish they'd just put some info about things like that (if it works, or not, what happened, etc.)
yep, it's memory training. My B350 board does it every time I go a little too far with ram timings or clocks. It will usually just result in the board power cycling a few times then resorting to factory defaults.
My ASRock B350 mobo does this too, though it didn't happen when I got it which is a little weird. I updated the BIOS and then it stopped for awhile and then it returned again
I think 5 years is the AMD declared AM4 support span, So another 2 more generation of processors. Given the power demand of the CPU's are going down, it should work.
Asrock does the reboot cycle when it notice a change in the motherboard (cpu change) it’s perfectly normal After about 4-5 tries it will reset the bios config and then post, that’s what it did I build over 500 systems so I have a idea on that
An initial boot on a Ryzen CPU can easily take a minute or more. On my first build with a Ryzen, I thought I'd bought a server mainboard by mistake! I'm with you on system builds.. Been building systems since 1983, PC/XT's. Nothing is an easier build then AMD. Intel can be a real pain at times. And Intel stock fans suck.. Not dissing on Intel, but there are so many variables with their chip line, you always second guess which motherboard you need per a single revision.
Great video! Just knowing that there is lack of PB2/XFR2/PBO in the older boards is useful information for people considering to invest in upgrading their 1st gen Ryzen builds, with a $500 processor.
AMD: Makes 12-layer substrate route on each of their new smaller 7nm process circuits so they match the existing AM4 pins. INTEL: Removes a few pins or adds one again so people will have to buy new motherboards. Pretty sure 7nm+ 4th gen ryzen will use the same socket. Because it will be a refresh of the same architecture.
@@thegoblin3629 Yeah AMD totally deserve to get a big chunk of the market. Intel's gaming performance advantage is totally negligible right now. 5-10% means if you play a game that gives you 60fps with a 3900X, and a 9900K will give you 6fps more. which is totally not worth it in real world. It has to be at least 20%+ to actually feel the difference. And again, even if Intel gives 20% more fps, you have to be a person who only do gaming on your PC and nothing else. and also you have to be a person who only play games without streaming, recording and stuff like that. Because any background process will effect Intel CPUs heavily because their lower core count while AMD has way more unused raw power to run many more processes than Intel counterparts.
You brave man. Where i live we lose power too often with thunder and lightning. If i heard that outside my house before trying to flash BIOS i would shut my shit down and never think about doing it again lol
LOL storms all weekend, I refused to update the BIOS hahahhaa. Flashed it today with the latests for my x370 Taichi and now it's Ryzen 2 ready :) Cant wait for stock on the 3900x so I can order it!
As someone who had gotten a 2400g when it released, and a ryzen 2000 ready ASrock 350 pro4 MOBO (the bios was rev 4.70, the one that supported Raven Ridge since Ryzen 2000 wasn't even announced yet), the system would power cycle before actually loading in. If you are seeing your system power cycle, BE PATIENT. The manual even started that it could take up to 5 minutes before you can get into the BIOs.
Went through it today with the BIOS update to my x370 Taichi... cycled like 3 times then I had to go and reset my timings. Exact same thing when I falshed my AB350 Pro4 on Friday... Cycled 2 or 3 times before boot up.
I highly recommend using HWinfo64 instead of HWmonitor in the future. Not only is it all-around more accurate, but it usually has VRM and other temp sensors correctly labeled. Granted, some low end boards don't have VRM sensors configured properly at all, which may have been the case for this board.
Hey Greg, This video really helps me as I recently purchased an AMD system with a 3700x with a x470 motherboard. I take some comfort that when the time comes, I can upgrade to a higher core processor without having to upgrade my motherboard or memory, except for updating my bios. Thank you for sharing your attempts.
Awesome experiment. I think you're the first to do this; risking your motherboard for all the tech community. I love the raw and uncut reactions too, makes the video more feel more natural.
The X570 Taichi has it's chipset cooler placed in a bad position. Do NOT buy that board if you have a longer graphics card! The graphics card will completely cover the chipset fan! Some people believe that this might even cause a damage after a while...because the chipset is not only badly cooled but in addition gets in contact with even more heat (!) from the graphics card under heavy load.
The tdp isn't much higher on the 3900x than a 1700x. 10w. I think it is very lopsided, but the efficiency of the 7nm process helps. You don't need an x570 to run a 3900x. Thanks for going down to a b350. I'd like to see the a320/3900x combo.
I’m really glad you took a look at this. I have a B350 motherboard and have been curious if it would work with the latest ryzen chips. Your experiment and advice definitely gave me some insight as to how my next upgrade will go!
I have this board and this video is amazing, thanks man! Please try to get a 3700X because most of us with b350 boards WILL see this at the most optimal upgrade without having to change a motherboard. Oh, a few benchmarks and max memory clock between 1st and 3rd gen would be nice to know too. :)
Thanks so much for this video. I happen to have an ASRock X370 Fatal1ty board, so it's almost the same as the one you tested. I'm running a 1600x right now, but I've already flashed the BIOS. As soon as I find a good deal on a 3600 I'm pulling that trigger.
Should run virtually the same as X570, so I'm not sure there's a point. OC headroom should be similar and boost frequencies shouldn't differ by more than ~100MHz, if at all. The only thing you lose is PCIe 4. And if you've got a Gen 4 NVMe or a graphics card that saturates Gen 3, chances are you can afford a new X570 motherboard. That's my rationale.
Awesome, I'm glad you let the camera roll on that. Something to note... nearly all mini-itx motherboards are B350 based. I think there is only like one with a higher-end chipset in it. So this is a big deal for anyone who loves mini-itx cubes. I have three or four of these babies myself sitting in my office. 'short' rack-mount cases also tend to be mini-itx. There could wind up being quite a bit of demand for this, despite the seemingly mismatched nature of it. Not all consumers want to overclock. I run so many machines in my office that I actually run them at reduced wattages (and still get 85% of the performance) just so I don't trip the circuit breakers. And to save my ears. I noticed that you were seeing the same IDLE problems with cpu core voltage that other reviewers have noticed... that CPU was running, what, 1.35V at idle? It should have been under 1.0V. Clearly a lot of BIOSes are still very primitive. HW Unboxed even blew up their 3900X unexpectedly. So it might be a good idea for people to NOT try to overclock their Zen 2 systems for the next few months :-). Give the mobo vendors time to get their BIOSes whipped into shape first. -Matt
EXCELLENT!!! These are they types of videos we as consumers want to see. Using new tech on our older boards. IMO a clear win for AMD and their partners keeping up support.
Awesome! I have this exact board now with a 1700 OC to 3.7GHz all core 1.25v. I wasn't sure if the 3900x would work but you've proved it can! Any chance you run a few benchmarks, or stress tests, non-OC of course, just to make sure it is stable? I plan to buy this CPU rather than a 3700x if stable. Cheers :)
the 3700x will be just the ticket for 1st gen upgraders looking for 8 core me I have a 1600x on an MSI carbon pro x370 I think it will pair nicely with a 3700x
I just dropped my 3600X CPU into an Asrock B350 ITX Gaming Fatality/AC and it worked. The journey getting there was a little complex. The original Bios was something like version 3.10, of which I had to upgrade to the first bridge bios (3.60), then another intermediate bios (5.30) and then again to 6.60. Remarkable to know that something I bought in early 2018 can still be relevant today.
Wow, thank you so much. This was exactly what I was looking for! Although I'm currently happy with my set up, if I were to upgrade, its nice to know that I can "technically" use an R9 with my motherboard while I save up for a better one, rather than have to save up for both at once.
Very nice. I wasn't originally considering upgrading from my 1700X, but after this experiment I may have to look into the R9. I'm on a higher end board than the one in the video so I'm crossing my fingers Asus will crank out a BIOS update for it.
Very impressive! Good on Asrock and other vendors for supporting Ryzen 2! Even more impressive that it is boosting, I thought it would sit at Base Clocks and not boost. This is the reason I am moving to AM4 platform for upgrade paths.
I have this board running a 1600. Freaking awesome you were able to get the 12 core running. Would love to see a comparison between the 3600 and 1600 on that bored. Thanks Greg.
I find this facinating. I just upgraded my x370 Taichi BIOS today. Asrock updated the CPU list TODAY :) and now includes support for the 3900x. I also have the Asrock AB350 Pro4 (x2 motherboards). Just like your Fatality, they are now updated to the new BIOS as well. I plan to upgrade my x370 to 3900x this year, and next year, swap out and order in the 4950x. The 3900x will move to my daily driver (AB350 Pro 4). That leave my current 1800x available for the other Pro 4 board :) All current processors will then be hand-me-downs for my mother and sister's computers.
Greg, I got a Question can I use an ASRock B450M Pro 4 -CB Bios is an American Megatrends P1.30 AMD Agesa Combo -AM4 0.0.7.2 dated 3/4/2019 with the new Ryzen 3700X. I currently have a Ryzen 2600 in it, this is a new system?
You are one of the few who is a least trying to show us the new chips in the Gen on boards.. Thank you.. There are a lot of us who have X370 Asus Boards and I have an X370 AsRock Taichi, which is listed compatible with the 3900X, Not that I want to us that chip, But I do want to see if it works properly. But no one is showing any videos with the X370's I really want to buy a 3800X but i'm afraid to because I'm not seeing any Tech tuber's running these chips in first gen Boards for build's, If they work X370 would be the cheapest way to go.. IDK.. Good video tho, I'm not worried about overclocking, I just want the chips to run properly stock in my X370 Taichi..
What most people are probably not considering is this: There is some really good legacy PCI hardware in the audio department (e.g. the M-Audio Delta 1010LT), which you might not want to run in breakout boxes or via other types of adapters. Powerful, modern CPUs that are still compatible with that hardware are a godsend for any workstation in question.
I'm still rocking two EWS 88mt PCI units. 16 channels of 24-bit 96k max goodness, bought in 2004! Too bad they will have to retire next year, as I go 16-core...
ASrock lists the R9 3900X in their supported CPU list for this motherboard. They also mention that BIOS P5.40 must be installed before proceeding with P5.80. So what's the purpose of this video? Why showing surprise when an officially supported CPU manages to boot up?
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A quick update on the status of this project: 1) I'm getting ahold of that A320 board tomorrow. Stay tuned. 2) The VGA driver was only needed for Bristol Ridge APUs. Prevents you from losing display out when flashing. There's an edit in the video that should nix those clips soon. 3) I ran a Cinebench single core test and a few games to track frequency over time. Seems the chip refused to boost past 4274MHz. Still gave us a 490 cb single-core score, so not bad, but the lack of PB2/XFR2 and PBO definitely shows. All-in, expect about a 5-10% performance drop when opting for a B350/X370 motherboard. This, of course, ignores any thermal limitations you may run into and also assumes you won't be manually overclocking. Thanks for watching!
a320, you absolute madman
Some X370 boards support PBO(Crosshair 6 Hero). Did you have one on hand and can test it?
I think this video was very cool!
@@brokengames9020 same socket doesn't mean it has the same feature
@@iPain3G I don't know this and I have a ch6h. I gotta find that setting
AMD be like - Yo... If you board peeps want to allow people to throw a 400 dollar, powerful cpu on your cheap and affordable mobo, go right ahead. We are not stopping you
Intel - Here is the same chip, on the same socket, but you need a new mobo, because... power limits.. yeh power limits, let us go with that.
But the one pin changes everything!
not true, i was able to get a 7700k paired with DDR3 ram, which everyone said "iMpOsSiBle"
I have an asus z170m-D3 board that uses ddr3, then bios modded to run i5-8400. It works, but no built in gpu support. So they could but just wouldn't because... reasons
@@Carbiniz3r hi sir may i know your motherboard brand/model..? because my current mobo is broken thats support ddr3, i dont know if practical to buy another mobo thats support ddr3 for my i5 6600k or to sell my ddr3 kits and the get ddr4 mobo ?
@@roelcamua8370 Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 and you can still get them off ebay for 60-80 bucks nowadays
1:17 Greg: A 12 core, 24 thread 3900X on a $40 motherboard
*Tech Yes City wants to know your location.*
Is this *the* Marco?
@@AbrahamLTobing That is indeed me! hahah
Good to see you in the comments mate, keep up the good work with the Yes Man.
@@HowlingCurve Thank you. I'm still here still watchin, still gettin my ryzen coverage haha.
Tech Yes City will counter this by running the 3950x on an unknown board bought for $20 at a Chinese flea market...
Backwards compatibility is a godsend.
@@brokengames9020
And should last for several generations as well, imo
*Glaring at LGA1151*
@@brokengames9020 Well, it isn't. Please open a dictionary and look up necessity. It is something you like. It isn't something required or intel would be outta business.
Godsent*
AMD DID promise that AM4 socket will be compatible up to 2020. and they're forward compatible to newer CPU with the proper BIOS update and backward compatible to older CPUs.
as least the partner companies did tried verified that some of their B350 mobo can support Zen 2 CPUs...
Is it possible to upgrade bios without a cpu?
If not when will the new motherboard with new bios out?
X570: I'm inevitable.
B350: and I'm B350.
Dude, this is awesome, my pocket says thanks.
A320M: I'am you
Asrock: I don’t think anyone would throw a 3900x into this motherboard
Science Studio: hold my beer
Now. Let's pair a $70 2200G with an MSI x570 Godlike.
wait till someone tried overclocking those monster 12 core on a B350 boards...
Asrock b350 : um wait what the hell is an r9 3900x??? OMFGWTFBBQ it's a 12 core monster! I peed myself, that's why I needed to reboot 5 times before running.
@@Napoleonic_S actually it's a normal thing for a mobo to reboot for a few times after installing a new BIOS with the CPU replacement.
@UCHOrG8rjQoK1QfhOwDLkh-g
Just so you know, this board won't even support APUs. There's no HDMI ports on it whatsoever.
Video: "Oh. That was loud thunder I heard in the background... Now seems like a good time to flash a BIOS."
Me: "Noooooo!"
Question. So I know with many boards a power loss during a bios flashing = instant paper weight. What about the dual bios boards? Isn't one of the two strictly a back-up bios? Just curious. And for the record I thought the exact same thing when thunder was mentioned. 😂
@@DopeBuildsGaming Best case scenario, the Dual Bios would save you. But would you want to test it?
The "Do not turn off your computer!" warning during any Bios upgrade doesn't instill confidence.
@@MatthewRossNerd Nope, no desire to test it sir. Im pretty sure warranties dont cover stupidity. Lol Besides Ive always made it a policy to heed fair warning. ;)
Remember that most modern motherboards require multiple power cycles after major hardware changes (CPU/RAM). It is completely normal for it to cycle several times after any CPU swap
GreyWolf Towers exactly just putting your ram in another slot is already something the pc has to adept to
What if it cycles with absolutely no changes? Rip PC?
@@Rov-Nihil some motherboards will power cycle themselves after being cut from power
@@Rov-Nihil check the post code, if it dosnt have one consider getting a bios speaker to give ya a beep code. Which will help nail it down, if it just power cycles continuesly that is, but as others have said sometimes it just power cycles even with minut changes or power outages
Often what it is doing is trying various auto memory timings. CAS and friends are pretty well a fixed thing but the other timings that I can't think of the term for will change up on a hard boot.
My Asus Sabertooth Z77 does that every time it is unplugged or I make changes. Just a reboot doesn't do it, but full power off does.
Great minds think alike 😎 I expected that the 3900X would boost beyond 4.1 or so, considering the TDP AMD measures is around the boost freq. I'm gonna check out VRM temps with probes so I'll report back. Glad you also tried this out because it's important for us cheapo people!
Lol chepo people
Cheapo
Sweet!
This is the main thing I wanted to see in all the reviews I have watched. You are the only one to do it! Thank you!
I'll be upgrading my 1600 to a 3600x in my asrock 350 pro.
Can you try the Ryzen 9 3950X on this motherboard when it comes out? 😂
I think when that cpu comes out he will test that.that will be fun🤘
Melting red hot VRM heat sinks guaranteed )
@@Alex-wg1mb They are already red lol
@@filiphedman4392 That's why he said "melting *red* hot VRM.." If it was green he would've said "melting *green* hot VRM.."
He probably could because they shipped ryzen 9 3950x alongside the other chips but they havent lifted the embargo for the 3050x
While not the ideal situation, it's still nice that this backwards support is there and actually functions decently.
Comments on loud thunder. Immediately proceeds to flash bios XD
IKR.
Balls of steel on this guy.
YOLO. Take risks.
@@GregSalazar Are you using a UPS?
That is far from fine....
In 5 years ima go throw the new 24c/48t Ryzen 7 7900 into my Asrock B350
@@ooksorry5362 AMD stated that the AM4 socket would be supported untill 2020.
@@ooksorry5362 AM4 is supported through next year so the 4000 series will likely be the last on AM4.
@@xelasoccer
If there's any
I don't think they'll release a new product next year.
The Phoenix i dont think so really, since they still have headroom for innovation and x570 is the beginning of pci-e gen4 and more beafy VRM‘s soooo i think they will go for am4+ or am5
ChippyChill Ryzen 4000 will be the last one.
Still got a B350M-A ASUS Prime mobo sitting in my room not been used. THANK YOU for doing this video!
It's only limit is 8-core maximum, so a 3800X will be fine, but not 3900X, might be updated though.
Magnus Nilsson But tbh, the average gamer/consumer doesnt need a faster cou than the 3700X or 3600X anyways. Just when you want to squeeze every last fps out of every game and you have a big wallet you go for the higher tiers :)
@@gamenikhd2001 Yes, the sweetspot is moving from 4 cores to 6 cores, but an 8 core would be nice to have in the future, say 2024 maybe, and you might not want to take the small step from a 4 core to a 6 core. A 12 core is for extreme enthusiasts, but if i were one of those I'd wait for the 16 core.
Magnus Nilsson Where have you seen this as when I checked just now they haven’t updated the cpu support page it only shows 2nd gen Ryzen as the latest ones despite them also having the bios for Ryzen 3rd gen on their site.
@@Del11k Any news from MSI? I swear I will never buy MSI anymore if they dont give me the ryzen 3000 series bios update on b350.
Thanks for "HOLY CRAP IT POSTS!" with us.
lmao
I loved that you did the "boot panic"-part with us. I had sweaty palms watching it!
I have that exact board and was hoping to switch from a 1600 to the 3600, glad you tested this board and saved me from scouring the web to see if it would work. Thanks mate, great video.
Did it work? Im thinking buying Ryzen 5 3600 to replace my Ryzen 5 1600 on the ROG STRIX B350-F which I have updated bios which support 3rd gen ryzen.
@@bearabletable7527 yes
b350 masterrace confirmed
that's raciss!
@@mdd1963 gay
You are all gay
@@Rainbow__cookie - I'm gay for you.
@@diede3x060 remember, 'gay' is a compliment these days!!!! :) (So thanks....I guess!)
That B350 board now knows how it feels like to rock the Infinity Gauntlet...
Good to see people testing this! It appears that the 3900X consumes roughly the same sort of power as the 2700X, so that could be a good guide to use. The 3700X is likely the safer CPU to use and recommend though :)
3600 more likely. Our shop is starting to see lots of fried VRMs on budget R7 1700/1700X builds with crappy mobos
@@tankapadia I will check on that board and get back with you!
@@owneroperator3256 I have a 2700x and gigabyte b450M motherboard. Think an upgrade to 3700/3900 be possible?
*The reboots was because it was trying to train the memory.* It detected a new CPU so it had to train the memory again.
Fun fact: my low end $50 MSI B350M PRO VD PLUS has support for Ryzen 3000 lol
Although I don't think there's a BIOS update released for it yet. I have a MSI B350M Gaming Pro and MSI hasn't released a BIOS update for it yet. Hopefully they'll provide the BIOS update for it soon cause it'll be nice to upgrade from a 1600 to a 3900x
@@FinaISpartan They had a Beta version for the Tomahawk B350 but it's now removed. I wish they'd just put some info about things like that (if it works, or not, what happened, etc.)
But dont use for 12 cores except you prepare for risk
Final Spartan 3800x is the most I would recommend
@@EvilTurkeySlices Oh hey you're here! Damn, glad you're still around!
the rebooting is normal,the asrock bios tries ram settings until it gets "stable"
yep, it's memory training. My B350 board does it every time I go a little too far with ram timings or clocks. It will usually just result in the board power cycling a few times then resorting to factory defaults.
@@DJ.1001 I experienced this today when upgrading the BIOS. Restarted 3 times... then had to go in and do my manual timings for the 3200 RAM.
@@DJ.1001 She is on Roswell, New Mexico (series) and her name is Jennie Mason
My ASRock B350 mobo does this too, though it didn't happen when I got it which is a little weird. I updated the BIOS and then it stopped for awhile and then it returned again
Loved the unedited post attempts, I know that moment all too well, was really excited to see it post.
Good so a few years down the road I can swap the 1600 for the 3700 for a sizeable performance uplift
that was my idea when going with the 2600 a couple months ago, either wait for zen 4000 series or buy the 3000 series on the cheap in a year.
ahah I have this exact same mobo, replacing my 1700x with a 3600 that's coming tomorrow :)
Or, to a 3900X in ~5 years. So, people, please buy a lot of 3900X now.
I think 5 years is the AMD declared AM4 support span, So another 2 more generation of processors. Given the power demand of the CPU's are going down, it should work.
Spandan Ghosh You can swap it for a 4950X in a few years, lol
Thanks for upgrading firmwares and crossing your fingers with us
Asrock does the reboot cycle when it notice a change in the motherboard (cpu change) it’s perfectly normal
After about 4-5 tries it will reset the bios config and then post, that’s what it did
I build over 500 systems so I have a idea on that
Yep. I'd reset the bios anyways when changing out the CPU.
An initial boot on a Ryzen CPU can easily take a minute or more. On my first build with a Ryzen, I thought I'd bought a server mainboard by mistake! I'm with you on system builds.. Been building systems since 1983, PC/XT's.
Nothing is an easier build then AMD. Intel can be a real pain at times. And Intel stock fans suck.. Not dissing on Intel, but there are so many variables with their chip line, you always second guess which motherboard you need per a single revision.
Great video! Just knowing that there is lack of PB2/XFR2/PBO in the older boards is useful information for people considering to invest in upgrading their 1st gen Ryzen builds, with a $500 processor.
If a 3900X can boot than a 3600 and 3700X should be fine too.
I typically do mix up then and than. Minor though.
LOL
You are genius!
well... 3700X (and 3800X) are 8-core procs so.... same as 1800X I assume
Then lets try 3950x
@RJ global internet means correcting grammar is rude
AMD: Makes 12-layer substrate route on each of their new smaller 7nm process circuits so they match the existing AM4 pins.
INTEL: Removes a few pins or adds one again so people will have to buy new motherboards.
Pretty sure 7nm+ 4th gen ryzen will use the same socket. Because it will be a refresh of the same architecture.
This is why AMD is actually deserving of their fans loyalty. No bending you over for a (currently)marginal edge on gaming performance.
@@thegoblin3629 Yeah AMD totally deserve to get a big chunk of the market. Intel's gaming performance advantage is totally negligible right now. 5-10% means if you play a game that gives you 60fps with a 3900X, and a 9900K will give you 6fps more. which is totally not worth it in real world. It has to be at least 20%+ to actually feel the difference.
And again, even if Intel gives 20% more fps, you have to be a person who only do gaming on your PC and nothing else. and also you have to be a person who only play games without streaming, recording and stuff like that. Because any background process will effect Intel CPUs heavily because their lower core count while AMD has way more unused raw power to run many more processes than Intel counterparts.
You brave man. Where i live we lose power too often with thunder and lightning. If i heard that outside my house before trying to flash BIOS i would shut my shit down and never think about doing it again lol
LOL storms all weekend, I refused to update the BIOS hahahhaa. Flashed it today with the latests for my x370 Taichi and now it's Ryzen 2 ready :) Cant wait for stock on the 3900x so I can order it!
UPS is your best friend right now, try to kill the fear with that.
As someone who had gotten a 2400g when it released, and a ryzen 2000 ready ASrock 350 pro4 MOBO (the bios was rev 4.70, the one that supported Raven Ridge since Ryzen 2000 wasn't even announced yet), the system would power cycle before actually loading in. If you are seeing your system power cycle, BE PATIENT. The manual even started that it could take up to 5 minutes before you can get into the BIOs.
Went through it today with the BIOS update to my x370 Taichi... cycled like 3 times then I had to go and reset my timings. Exact same thing when I falshed my AB350 Pro4 on Friday... Cycled 2 or 3 times before boot up.
I highly recommend using HWinfo64 instead of HWmonitor in the future. Not only is it all-around more accurate, but it usually has VRM and other temp sensors correctly labeled. Granted, some low end boards don't have VRM sensors configured properly at all, which may have been the case for this board.
Yep, HWiNFO is the way to go, it's always had good VRM temp monitoring for my last couple of boards.
Hey Greg,
This video really helps me as I recently purchased an AMD system with a 3700x with a x470 motherboard. I take some comfort that when the time comes, I can upgrade to a higher core processor without having to upgrade my motherboard or memory, except for updating my bios. Thank you for sharing your attempts.
i have this exact same board and 1500x, probably just replace it with 3600x, AMD is legend.
John Tang still have that 1500x? Where you from bro sell it to me 😁
Awesome experiment. I think you're the first to do this; risking your motherboard for all the tech community. I love the raw and uncut reactions too, makes the video more feel more natural.
I think there is a multidimensional Trans-Temporal thermal overload happening in that VRM, lol.
Great video Greg. I think you're the first B350 video.
👍!👍! Interesting idea. Good job on putting up content that is more than just the norm.
I really love your recent "for science" videos. They're really entertaining and a nice touch over regular reviews.
Bios update during a thunderstorm - brave man
It's great that someone did this, as most like me with older b350 boards would want to know this could work, now we do.
*Currently have an Asrock B350 motherboard...*
*DEFINITELY planning to get that x570 Taichi, to pair with the AWESOME 3900X.* 💯
3900X: I don't feel so good
The X570 Taichi has it's chipset cooler placed in a bad position. Do NOT buy that board if you have a longer graphics card! The graphics card will completely cover the chipset fan! Some people believe that this might even cause a damage after a while...because the chipset is not only badly cooled but in addition gets in contact with even more heat (!) from the graphics card under heavy load.
So why do you call it Zen 2? Isn't Zen 2 the 2000 series CPU's? Zen 3 is the 3000 series and Zen 5 is the 5000 series?
zen 2 is the architecture...
The tdp isn't much higher on the 3900x than a 1700x. 10w. I think it is very lopsided, but the efficiency of the 7nm process helps. You don't need an x570 to run a 3900x. Thanks for going down to a b350. I'd like to see the a320/3900x combo.
Exactly
Good job! You're answering the most burning question for 1st gen ryzen adopters thinking of potential upgrade
Asrock does say that you need to update the bios to 5.40 prior to updating any further. Search for the asterisk. It does say it.
I’m really glad you took a look at this. I have a B350 motherboard and have been curious if it would work with the latest ryzen chips. Your experiment and advice definitely gave me some insight as to how my next upgrade will go!
My B450 Pro4 has the BIOS update for Matisse before it was launched.
But my pocket says it was just an illusion.
Abraham L. Tobing what cpu are you running? I have this motherboard and VRMs always running hot
I have X370M Pro4, and thank you Greg! This video is soooo relieving to me.
A 3700x on a B350 Mortar is working just fine for me.
Thanx for taking the time to test zen2 on the b350 board.
Pairs 12 core 3900x with asrock b350 board....because science!!
*board explodes*
@ugaaa5 It's a joke dude.
I have this board and this video is amazing, thanks man!
Please try to get a 3700X because most of us with b350 boards WILL see this at the most optimal upgrade without having to change a motherboard.
Oh, a few benchmarks and max memory clock between 1st and 3rd gen would be nice to know too. :)
After watching this video, AMD has earned my respect
Awesome vid as usual. This is one of the reasons why I subbed to you bro. Keep these type of contents coming!
I really wanted to see the VRM temp on that motherboard
Thanks so much for this video. I happen to have an ASRock X370 Fatal1ty board, so it's almost the same as the one you tested. I'm running a 1600x right now, but I've already flashed the BIOS. As soon as I find a good deal on a 3600 I'm pulling that trigger.
HWinfo64 just got updates for the Zen2 chips. It might show exact statistics for that set up.
I have a B350 board, this was exactly the vid ive been waiting for before my purchase. Ty
Thank you so much for this video, this concern me so much
Thanks for watching!
I can't believe that board actually worked with a 3900X, that's awesome x-D. Thanks for checking this out, Greg!
Wow a video that isn't 360p right at upload lol 😂 very interesting, are you thinking about doing X470/B450 as well?
Should run virtually the same as X570, so I'm not sure there's a point. OC headroom should be similar and boost frequencies shouldn't differ by more than ~100MHz, if at all. The only thing you lose is PCIe 4. And if you've got a Gen 4 NVMe or a graphics card that saturates Gen 3, chances are you can afford a new X570 motherboard. That's my rationale.
Awesome, I'm glad you let the camera roll on that. Something to note... nearly all mini-itx motherboards are B350 based. I think there is only like one with a higher-end chipset in it. So this is a big deal for anyone who loves mini-itx cubes. I have three or four of these babies myself sitting in my office. 'short' rack-mount cases also tend to be mini-itx.
There could wind up being quite a bit of demand for this, despite the seemingly mismatched nature of it. Not all consumers want to overclock. I run so many machines in my office that I actually run them at reduced wattages (and still get 85% of the performance) just so I don't trip the circuit breakers. And to save my ears.
I noticed that you were seeing the same IDLE problems with cpu core voltage that other reviewers have noticed... that CPU was running, what, 1.35V at idle? It should have been under 1.0V. Clearly a lot of BIOSes are still very primitive. HW Unboxed even blew up their 3900X unexpectedly. So it might be a good idea for people to NOT try to overclock their Zen 2 systems for the next few months :-). Give the mobo vendors time to get their BIOSes whipped into shape first.
-Matt
Can you do a similar video on zen2 3600 and 3600x on b350 tomó hawk or similar motherboard? What are the real world downsides if any
real world downsides - it will have limited boost. But Im 100% sure you can OC it yourself with 1.25-1.3 V near top boost clock.
Hey, nice work! You may be the sole reason Newegg starts to combo sell ASRock AB350 Gaming K4 with the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X xD
Try 3600 and 3600x on b350 motherboards as people can use them if they like.
They’ll work fine as long as the manufacturers have a bios revision for it on the particular board you have.
@@tarkett8529 yeah I have a gigabyte ax 370m-gaming 3 micro ATX mobo and gigabyte have provided a upgrade for 3rd gen ryzen.
Dhrumil chavan you’re good to go then 👍
EXCELLENT!!! These are they types of videos we as consumers want to see. Using new tech on our older boards. IMO a clear win for AMD and their partners keeping up support.
All the new fast processors releases im still i5 2500
a legendary cpu
@@xannax2050 no i7 2600k is legendary because it was a lottery cpu.
@@xannax2050 i5 2500 piece of shit sorry
AMATEURS!
I got an AMD X4 860K
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Perfect video I have that exact AsRock board. Currently using an R5 1600 with the 5.80 BIOS.
The AsRock B350 Pro-4 had a bios update for Ryzen 3000 series.
Same for the b450m Pro-4 might buy the 3900x
Awesome! I have this exact board now with a 1700 OC to 3.7GHz all core 1.25v. I wasn't sure if the 3900x would work but you've proved it can! Any chance you run a few benchmarks, or stress tests, non-OC of course, just to make sure it is stable? I plan to buy this CPU rather than a 3700x if stable. Cheers :)
The 3700x OC uses less power than the stock 2600, so No.
the 3700x will be just the ticket for 1st gen upgraders looking for 8 core me I have a 1600x on an MSI carbon pro x370 I think it will pair nicely with a 3700x
@@keptinkaos6384 350 pro carbon here.. only difference from 350 to your 370 is sli right?
I didn't expect it to boost after all the press releases. Nice find.
I just dropped my 3600X CPU into an Asrock B350 ITX Gaming Fatality/AC and it worked. The journey getting there was a little complex. The original Bios was something like version 3.10, of which I had to upgrade to the first bridge bios (3.60), then another intermediate bios (5.30) and then again to 6.60. Remarkable to know that something I bought in early 2018 can still be relevant today.
Nice test Greg, not that I run 3900X on one of these, but good news for those on a budget! Thx for this!
Great video I was really looking forward to this and you delivered, good job Greg 👍👍👍
Wow, thank you so much. This was exactly what I was looking for! Although I'm currently happy with my set up, if I were to upgrade, its nice to know that I can "technically" use an R9 with my motherboard while I save up for a better one, rather than have to save up for both at once.
Very nice. I wasn't originally considering upgrading from my 1700X, but after this experiment I may have to look into the R9. I'm on a higher end board than the one in the video so I'm crossing my fingers Asus will crank out a BIOS update for it.
“Thank you for experimenting with us” great video as always Greg thank you I’m still rocking b-350 MB and ryzen 5 1600x so was all good info to me
this is the gen 3 ryzen review i wanted to see , great work .
Very impressive! Good on Asrock and other vendors for supporting Ryzen 2! Even more impressive that it is boosting, I thought it would sit at Base Clocks and not boost. This is the reason I am moving to AM4 platform for upgrade paths.
Thanks for doing this. 👍 I was looking for someone to try this. Nice result.
I know this is probably a dumb question bro but can you put your 1700 in the new motherboards I'd love to see that
I have this board running a 1600. Freaking awesome you were able to get the 12 core running. Would love to see a comparison between the 3600 and 1600 on that bored. Thanks Greg.
This was a cool idea. Def better than another me-too benchmark review
5:42
*Is about to flash his bios*
Greg: _"That was a pretty loud thunder out there."_
lmao
I find this facinating. I just upgraded my x370 Taichi BIOS today. Asrock updated the CPU list TODAY :) and now includes support for the 3900x. I also have the Asrock AB350 Pro4 (x2 motherboards). Just like your Fatality, they are now updated to the new BIOS as well. I plan to upgrade my x370 to 3900x this year, and next year, swap out and order in the 4950x. The 3900x will move to my daily driver (AB350 Pro 4). That leave my current 1800x available for the other Pro 4 board :) All current processors will then be hand-me-downs for my mother and sister's computers.
Haha laughed when suddenly you heard "thunder" in the background, spot on joke Greg
Baking a 3900x and a B350 ITX board inside a sff pc sounds straight up my alley.
Love the new test bench. Cardboard boxes are underrated IMHO...
Greg, I got a Question can I use an ASRock B450M Pro 4 -CB Bios is an American Megatrends P1.30 AMD Agesa Combo -AM4 0.0.7.2 dated 3/4/2019 with the new Ryzen 3700X. I currently have a Ryzen 2600 in it, this is a new system?
You are one of the few who is a least trying to show us the new chips in the Gen on boards.. Thank you.. There are a lot of us who have X370 Asus Boards and I have an X370 AsRock Taichi, which is listed compatible with the 3900X, Not that I want to us that chip, But I do want to see if it works properly. But no one is showing any videos with the X370's I really want to buy a 3800X but i'm afraid to because I'm not seeing any Tech tuber's running these chips in first gen Boards for build's, If they work X370 would be the cheapest way to go.. IDK.. Good video tho, I'm not worried about overclocking, I just want the chips to run properly stock in my X370 Taichi..
What most people are probably not considering is this: There is some really good legacy PCI hardware in the audio department (e.g. the M-Audio Delta 1010LT), which you might not want to run in breakout boxes or via other types of adapters. Powerful, modern CPUs that are still compatible with that hardware are a godsend for any workstation in question.
I'm still rocking two EWS 88mt PCI units. 16 channels of 24-bit 96k max goodness, bought in 2004! Too bad they will have to retire next year, as I go 16-core...
flashing a bios in a thunderstorm... you sir are a mad man
Awesome!! Yes we learned a lot, just from you experimenting!
ASrock lists the R9 3900X in their supported CPU list for this motherboard. They also mention that BIOS P5.40 must be installed before proceeding with P5.80. So what's the purpose of this video? Why showing surprise when an officially supported CPU manages to boot up?
The video I was waiting for! Please come through with the bios update MSI
Excellent Test. Thanks for the real environment scenario.Cheers
This is brilliant. I have a B350 board so I might grab Zen 2
I ordered a 3700x and tell u when it works good ^^
Felix Ha thanks!