DCS F-5 and F/A-18: Basic Tactical Flying (formation, turns, admin, etc.)
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2019
- I teamed up with GB from Hornet Vids in DCS to show you basic admin flying in DCS including tactical formations, tac turns, and rejoins.
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Mover, there is a "ZOOM" function in DCS. Map it to somewhere joystick, HOTAS or keyboard. You can zoom in and read cation and warning lights, your gauges, screens or scan for aircraft. The "ZOOM" is essential for VR users.
Yup, the VR zoom key binding is difficult to find in DCS though. Options>Controls>Drop down menu at top left>UI layer>toggle VR zoom.
For anyone who doesn't already know. I discovered there is a flashlight as well!!! Comes in hand for startup/shutdown in night fights.
Mover the instruction is outstanding even for sim. time.
Discovered your channel not long ago, I love your videos. I saw Top Gun when I was 6 and wanted to be a fighter pilot ever since. I studies planes and my dad gave me a hand held encyclopedia of planes. I would get autographs from all the pilots at the airshows. I have some from the USS Constellation and the Nimitz. Sadly I never got the chance family obligations kept me out of school for a good while, I wound up Joining the Army and becoming Infantry. Still love planes with all my soul and I love to fly. Thank you for making such good content.
Planes are cool, but it all revolves around the guys on the ground.
Similar situation here. I've always had in interest in aviation but coming from a poor family as well as personal problems I couldn't afford college so I went to the Marine Corps infantry. This channel helps me keep the dream alive to pursue flying after I get out
@@dietcoke759 Semper Fi brother I am 39 and I have a buddy who is a multi engine certified pilot, he has a buddy who is an instructor and he is going to hook me up with some lessons, so I get to fulfill part of the dream and fly, I am pretty excited.
@@sectech30 Nothing wrong with going 11B, hooah? Or for @coke Oohrah? Gotta make sure we keep the Army/Marine language right! :)
@@hansangb that's right :)
Love how you bring fellow pilots into the groove. Rule number one . Thanks
Mover, you're slipping. That's not an F-5, but a MiG-28. Nobody's been this close before.
Absolutely
braeddie well played sir. Well played
:D what I wanted to insist
Dude stop Cougar's getting PTSD lmao
braeddie OH no C.W. Flying a Ruski fighter jet!
Man this is great that you guys are doing this ! Really cool to see real fighter pilots be kind enough to spend some time showing us stuff like this, already donated to folds of honor and will continue to donate thanks Mover and Gonky
Love it when you play DCS, keep the vids coming.
Dude I completely love your dcs videos. I'm happy you've decided to start doing these
Hey mover, I love the vids. Keep up the good work!
I think this is an amazing format for videos going forward. Most of us here are aviation (particularly fighter jet) fanboys and want to hear you talk about the actual flying of the Hornet. Using DCS as a visual reference to describe different things is awesome. I'd like to see some tactical stuff in the future using DCS, such as dogfighting and air strike missions. Cool stuff!
Hey Mover, keep up the good work. Signed up for the FOH tournament almost the day I heard about it. I'm really looking forward to it and it's a great charity that benefits as well. I'm glad you guys(You and ED) are putting this on too. There's not too many chances to blend my favorite hobby with helping out my brothers and sisters in arms and their families (Army vet) so I really hope there's more of these tournaments down the pike because I'm in.
Man. Thats so cool to see. RUclips really is an amazing place to get out into the weeds and see details about things that you would never see on TV.
This is a great series. Thank you and the guys for doing this.
i think its cool you can find the time to do this. Always enjoy these types of videos.
Impressive love that you are using DCS.
This is beyond awesome. It's always fun watching professionals at work. The terminology, the approach, all of it. I wish you could give Reverb a try. Now all we need is you, GB (will have to check out his page), Gonky, and Lex on a 2v2 fight! :) Also, when you said "can't read it..." I figured you must be using Rift or Odyssey. HP's Reverb is miles better in clarity. Anyway, off to FOH to donate! Thanks Mover.
Love these videos
Awesome training flight. Defiantly would like to see more.
I love your videos!
I like how you use the speed breaks freely to keep your air speed under better control. In my sim-ing I've tended to use them mostly in a dogfight to keep from getting too hot or for landing. I need to think outside the box! :-)
Looks like a lot of fun....enjoy!
Thanks a lot, very interesting stuff!
Keep the vids coming. Love watching them.
Greetings from Norway!
"Ollie"
This was interesting and usefull. Its just more fun to fly coordinated with mates then just everybody doing its own thing.
This is a great video, very informative, thanks!
Thanks man! Loved it!
This is awwwssooommeee!!! Go Gonky Go!!! (Gotta support my Navy family)!!!
awesome mate. I hope you keep the DCS thing going. a lot of DCS guys love the fact real pilots are playing, and we love to learn. and we will absorb as much as we can! plus we love hanging out with cool people
Fights on friday sounds better for DCS
what are some monday titles maybe ?? everyone
I would recommend binding VR zoom. Makes reading stuff in the cockpit a lot easier
Looks like someone is having fun with DCS after moving to reserve. Must be fun considering that 30 years ago no one could have had that fun at home we have today. And I still I fly sometimes the legendary HIND from 1996 while waiting the DCS: Mi-24P to come out. But considering that one can today sit on the chair at home, put VR goggles on and get nice immersion to be sitting in the cockpit and fly... That possibility, just mind blowing!
You should demo a -4G pushover to dispel any inaccurate information about its inverted performance.
Great video. I'm flying DCS WORLD with fighter squadron VFA-192 GOLDEN DRAGONS.
Cool info, thanks!
sharing this around to my friends : )
Hey Mover! Noticed your VR footage was a bit stretchy on the screen. Have you checked out OBS Studio with the OpenVR Capture plugin? I get really good VR footage with that software. Also, I think there's a bug with the DCS Yardstick. I didn't catch what TACAN channel (band?) you guys were using, but the Yankee channel never seems to work right. If I do Xray I almost always get a good yardstick (at least between two Hornets).
I had a tough time making that plug in work....someone should do a video on capturing VR footage for Live Streams/Videos
@@WhereNerdyisCool I had to fiddle a bit with the cropping/framing and the framerate, but that was it.
@@WhereNerdyisCool It's really not that hard, all you need to do is take the video screen and enlarge it so the horizontal borders touch the edge of the recording area. Recenter vertically as needed to get "roughly" what people expect for video.
You CAN use supersampling resolutions to double up your monitor resolution and then capture that with OBS/Streamlabs OBS for higher resolutions in the recording/stream. That said, never had any issues with this method on my DCS Live Streams.
can't find a word to describe how exited I am !!
Actually, G-warm up does matter in DCS, believe it or not :D
Great stuff, always interesting to watch how the real guys do it !
Awesome thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
Nice video, thanks for share with us :)
Super, Thanks
the standard fighting unit is the two-ship
you've gotta get used to flying as a two-ship and you will be very lethal
Wow! this what i was waiting for... DCS with real fighter pilot
I haven't seen an F-5 and F-18 side by side since the 90s when Canada still had Freedom Fighters... fighter pilots would normally train on the Freedom Fighters before qualifying on the Hornet.
I like the fact real pilots fly dcs world. amazing!!!
Love the vids!
Just thought I’d let you know G warmup does matter in DCS. It is modeled.
Your AI Pilot g-locks a lot slower after you warmup.
Good to know :)
Donation inbound...I encourage everyone to give something because those who benefit from your donations have given A LOT
When you fly F5 in DCS, does it mimic the real T38 flight characteristics based on your experience?
CW, do you have a video on talking about advice for those going through the training pipeline that want to become the best they can? love the channel
Go watch the interview with Deuce. He has excellent advice.
Those Northrop birds are a handful with their "crudeness". But now you have an idea how a Super Sabre flies.
more dcs please
Could you do an interview on how GB became a fighter pilot? 😃
spud is gonna fricken win and he's gonna somehow make his flight with mover a teaching moment
Hey Mover, dont know if youve tries but setting up some curves on your x and y axis for the stick may help out with the twitchies. Go to axis tune in the controls setup. The F5 is twitchy enough as it is.
What twitches?
@@CWLemoine looks like the sensitivity is too high on the stick.
I don’t think so.
Would be really cool if you had a Tacview file of this flight that you could share for all us who fly DCS but really have little to no idea what we are doing :)
F-5 and F-18: grandad and granson planes :P (and it's curios that the F-5, the older and someway related to the evolution of a design that, later, became the F-18, is actually the smaller one :P )
if i hade DCS or a good pc i would sing up but i will donate $5
Basic DCS is free, but for free you only get access to 2 planes, a TF-51 trainer (P-51 mustang) and a Russian SU-25T Frogfoot
@@matthewsutton5946 also have to have a pc that can handle dcs
I am on a 8 year old I7 2600K with Radeon RX 480 GPU and 16 gigs of RAM, so not a high end pc at all and no ssd and i can run DCS. It cant harm just installing it for free and see if u can run it.
Matthew Sutton for me the P51 was just fine starting out but I wanted a more versatile jet so I mean it’s really not hard to work up $15-$20 to get the module you want
I wonder if your or his instructor spirit comes up every once in a while, like, "What's he doing? I told him to ..."
I think the first place should give you a flight with Donkey as well.
*Gonky
Great Video! As a DCS player but never been in a real fighter I have one quick question. How realistic is the ability to spot planes visually in DCS compared to a real fighter? Thanks in advance.
Stretch bois
Hey Mover! I was wondering how I could play some DCS with you. I'd love to learn!
Tab to kill the chat window
Did not know GB played DCS or did he just do this for the video? What headset are you using Mover? I have a Samsung Odyssey Plus and I can read everything in the cockpit.
Mover, is it difficult for a left handed person to fly fighters since fighters are built for a righthanded pilot.
Hey Mover, I love you vidoe's especially DCS video's. If you have time I would love, and I think alot of other people would love DCS training videos. Not anything "Restricted" just showing us how to "Fly" the aircraft, kinda like this video. One of the many things I struggle with DCS F/A-18 is "Turns", ( I have had a few lessons in a Cessna 150 and was taught to use the rudder while turning to -Step on the Ball- but I've heard that the rudder is not used that often in a Jet) Do Jets "Skid"? Does the "Flight Control System" handle skidding if it does? On Speed AOA is another thing that I suck at. Thanks again, I understand you are a busy man and may not be able to but regardless I'm looking forward to your next video.
The Hornet's FCS makes the rudder pedals basically a manual option or something you only need in extremely high AoA maneuvers. When I started playing DCS, I had an old Saitek X45 and no rudder pedals. Even after switching to the Warthog HOTAS and T-Flight rudders, I find the Hornet to not need much in the way of rudder inputs thanks to the FCS. I basically only use them at high AoA when I want to "falling leaf" onto a target. If you want a more "manual" aircraft to fly, the F-5 and the F-14 are both EXTREMELY stick and rudder oriented. Jets most definitely skid too! :)
On Speed AoA in the Hornet is easy. Trim Nose Up to On Speed AoA... that's all you have to do... keeping level flight is a matter of throttle working until you attain level flight. I tend to trim nose up to 12 (take off trim button, essentially) on the FCS page during the break to land on a carrier. The F-14 on the other hand has no such joy and thus is a lot harder to fly On Speed AoA but she also has DLC to keep you where you want to be on the glide slope... shame they both don't have each other's benefits! :) F-14 is a lot more rewarding to put aboard the boat because it's a lot more work.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Dude I really appreciate it, I just need to practice, when I trim It's always to much or to little. But skidding, your landing on a field but you bank 30 degrees twice for the upwind and downwind. I my mind the aircraft is skidding because in that Cessna 150 I made 4 turns in a landing pattern and in every turn I gave a little left rudder. But an F/A-18 the skidding isn't enough to bother with?
@@maddthomas Sometime if you want to really check out what the FCS is doing in the Hornet, pull up the FCS page and watch the aileron/rudder/elevators are doing for values (which I think are in degrees, but don't quote me on that). The FCS page shows quite distinctly what the aircraft is doing for those surfaces. You'll notice the FCS is actually adding in rudder input. The FCS automatically trims the aircraft to 1G when the controls are "left alone" which is why you can trim to On Speed AoA and it holds that On Speed AoA value regardless of your throttle inputs. It's very interesting (as someone with an engineering background and mindset) to observe the FCS do it's thing as you and I know that aircraft require coordination to make the most efficient turns, and the FCS basically handles that for you. Makes the rudder pedals feel like an after thought.
And FWIW, you CAN use the rudder to coordinate turns, it's just the FCS will correct to what it needs to to get the aircraft properly coordinated. So long as the FCS is intact, it's basically a flying video game.
@@Whiskey11Gaming Thank you for taking the time. I didn't know that the FCS system trims the A/C to 1G. It's my fault for not asking the right question, but that is answer I was looking for. Thanks again.
Are you using obs to record? It’s really stretched. Are you using the OpenVR plugin?
Does Mover ever go head to head with the "top dogs" of DCS?
The folds of honor link in the description doesnt work, great video btw.
foh.org/fightforhonor
@@CWLemoine thank you :)
I have a question, do pilots have handguns with them when they are flying in case you crash and you need to fight enemies?
Yes, when deployed in a combat zone.
Mover, How did the Air Force and the Navy start using different terms for the same thing? Did it just evolve that way or were there other reasons?
Great Vid.. are you running a sound mod for the F-5? Sounded very windy / cool...
No mods. I'm not that savvy lol
Probably had the ventilation on. You can turn it on in the Tomcat but it's pretty noisy if you're on discord etc
@@CWLemoine speaking of wind. A cool thing to turn on is "Wake Turbulence" in the "GamePlay" settings tab.
Hi C.W. Lemoine
, what VR headset do you use?
Oculus Rift S
Good to see some of the formations and turns we use over at the www.440thvfw.com/ employed by real ex pilots. Thanks Mover.
Although I know your not a fan of trackIR would love to see you fly the F-16 in BMS.
Thanks a bunch, I would have never known any of this without ya.... :) Been flying around in giant douche bag mode .... :)
Mr. Lemoine I am downloading and installing dcs, I just bought a joystick looks pretty complex, but what else should I buy to make the experience more genuine?
What do you think of the F5? I think the Swiss still fly them.
CW what are your settings for your X56 stick? I have that too and I can’t refuel for nothing. Please help!!!!
Where'd you get the Mig 28? I thought they got shot down in that documentary from 1986.
@c.w.lemoine do you know if jeff favignano is in the tournament if ok with you could I let him know about it?
I've tried reaching out to him but no response. Be my guest.
Looks like you forgot the stabilization? Very twitchy after takeoff... 😀
What VR Headset are you using ?
Is it easier to control a jet in real life versus in the game, as in the accuracy of the inputs versus the plane's outputs?
Yes.
Hey Mover, are you running curves on your joystick at all for the F5? I hated flying the F5 until I threw some curves at the pitch/roll and tamed the snappyness of it some. Made formation flying with her so much less painful since she is VERY agile in game in roll.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with it as is. Flies like a T38
@@CWLemoine 10-4 on that! Didn't realize the F-5/T-38 was such a twitchy aircraft but I guess it makes sense being such a light aircraft with somewhat large control surfaces. Seems like she's a bit of a handful but I imagine that is just the lack of pilot-airplane interface showing through in video.
Awesome info! Thanks! :)
@@Whiskey11Gaming I'm not sure why people are commenting this. Didn't seem twitchy to me.
@@CWLemoine I think it's because there was A LOT of corrections going on in the cockpit. When I first saw it, I started watching the control stick and there were a lot of small movements of the in game joystick and relatively big movements outside the cockpit. Also, when I bought the F-5E module months ago and started to fly it, I noticed it was very hard to do formation flying with it because it rolls so quickly with tiny movements of the stick and that pitch movements were quite large... FWIW, every aircraft in DCS feels this way without curves because I'm not using an extension on the stick. The F-14B was almost unflyable without curves... waaaay too sensitive control input to in game movement.
It's formation flying.
Hi Mover!
Do you think that if the F-5 had modern avionics, it would be a capable 4th gen fighter?
Would love to hear his take but the F5 has really tiny fuel tanks, would need a retrofitted probe for AA refueling, but still limited in terms of range.
Which plane do u prefer, f 18 or f 16?
Do you mind sharing your computer and control setup?
You forgott to extend nose strut on take off
It's not required for long runways / clean config.
@@CWLemoine thats new for me, tx for the effort
I got another question, that is probably stupid, but here it goes: I heard that the F-16 is a multirole aircraft, so does that mean that a squadron learns both air to air combat and ground attack, or they focus in just one job?
All of the above.
The squadron I crew'd for did photo reconnaissance too occasionally.
Cool. Thanks.
Why is the VR screen view so stretched out and the aspect ratio looks way off too? What's up with that?
Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t the g limiter a last ditch effort to save your self, not to fix your bfm errors for a kill? I see so many other RUclipsrs use it, and I cringe in my seat.
Can you shed some light on this ?
Is my Mig21 going to have to compete with BVR in these 1v1s or is it guns only?
Guns only
This is probably a stupid question but i will ask anyways, Will DCS load on a Presario CQ57? I would like to familiarize myself with cockpits etcetra so down the road when i build a good machine i will be able to atleast have the functionality down. I've tried loading 2.5, then beta then 1.5 and seems to crashes without loading. first it was login failure but i deleted the options file then was able to get past that failure now it just crashes without loading. this is a 1.5 with 8g of mem so i'm not expecting a lot,,, LOL
Do you use vr for dcs?
good vid ------- i turn that (fake) breathing sound off
Are you flying using VR?
Mover; is the F-5 a tiger or tiger 2?
Tiger 2
@@Kilo-sz4ch Thank you!
Do you like it more with VR instead of TrackIR? I find the resolution not enough.
The resolution is fine. The recording is kind of wonky but it's usable. I hate trackIR.
@@CWLemoine I heard you couple of times to say that you can't read the readings - master caution and altitude. I tried once with Google's VR and it wasn't as it is on a monitor. TrackIR is tricky in the beginning then it is OK. It is matter of adjustments when to look behind the shoulder.
That's not a function of VR. That's my laptop barely being able to run VR. I would still prefer VR over Track IR. As a fighter pilot, the muscle memory is there for me. I know where to look and when. Track IR is just too cumbersome and awkward.
@@CWLemoine What VR set do you use? Is the resolution enough to see the enemy from the same distance compared to regular fullHD monitor?
Oculus rift s
Gday mate. What does "yard stick sour", "yard stick sweet" refer to?
Air to Air Tacan
Most likely wingman still has homestation tacan channel set lol.
@@CWLemoine cheers! Appreciate your videos!
Nah, we were both setup correctly.
@@CWLemoine I mean real world. ;-)
How can I find out who plays DCS in the area I live in. I would like to get started in it but have no clue where to start. I would like to try it before I start sinking money into it.
It's free to download and there's a great tutorial for the SU 25t which comes free with it. You'll find plenty of people to play with on multiplayer.
Get on the DCS Hoggit discord group. Plenty of pilots there, or Wingman finder discord :)
It must be confusing having flown for both the Air Force and the Navy, do you ever get confused with the terminology?
All the time
@@CWLemoine I was in the Australian Army and the Canadian Air Force, my brain used to momentarily pause when I went to say something trying to make sure I used the right terminology, so I'd actually start to stutter as I made sure I gave the right instructions, however when some one else gave a command, I instantly knew what they meant.. Really odd the way your brain works.