The Debrief! Fighter Pilot vs. Developer High Aspect BFM DCS Flight (F-5 vs F/A-18)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Debriefing our flight in DCS using Tacview and extracting lots of good lessons learned.
Mondays with Mover - Episode 56
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Really nice to finally see a developer getting into the daily business of the SIM pilots. Maybe there were some learning points to improve DCS. Always nice to see a professional do this stuff. Thanks, Mover!
what?
Yeah, eh?
And that one dude who ACTUALLY FLEW THE JETS also ascended to flying our fake ones huh ?
Might wanna step down from your high horse there, you might fall and break your ego.
@@TheSkipjack95 triggered.
Thank you for bringing the breifing-debreifing mindset to those video. This is awesome! Please do some more!
So, cliff notes :
-1 circle = radius fight
-2 circle = rate fight
-Be patient in a rate fight
-Watch smash in a radius fight.
Anything else ?
This is amazing!!! Thank you!!!
It puts a lot into perspective, especially since most of us won't ever get this close to being in an actual dogfight, so getting even this glimmer of insight into what the training looks like -- this is a great service to the public that you're doing. Thank you.
Best part about Mondays! Edit: I love how you snap back into your professionalism like it's another day at work. I can't decide however if I love that aspect of this series more than I love how focused and tuned in Wags is. Regardless any DCS content is right up my alley as a pretend pilot. Oh and then the LSPDFR eps are gold!
as a former Night Stalker I love how you use them in the books, NSDQ!!!!!
I'm an analyst, who does a lot of modeling and simulation for the USAF. I went through the fighter pilot debrief process when I was running war games at Air Force Research Lab with a bunch of fighter and bomber people. It was fun to run the scenario, talk it through, try again, etc. etc. Each time we figured out some new things. It was a great experience. Thanks for making that kind of process public. The world could benefit from more of that kind of candid critique.
I have a question, which is maybe a little academic, but it goes with my professional reading. In Fighter Combat: Tactics and Maneuvering by Shaw, he talks about a nose-to-tail and nose-to-nose fight. Do those correspond to your "two circle" and "one circle" fights?
@@slgarrett I'd be interested to know this too. Shaw's book is 30 odd years old now so I wonder what developments have been made in this area since.
@@slgarrett They do.
@@slgarrett Sorry for this fast reply ;).
One circle (radius) is nose-to-nose. If two planes turn around the same circle with the same radius they will crash nose to nose. ;)
Two circle (rate) is nose-to-tail.
Any chance of Mover Vs Growling Sidewinder in DCS?
This!
+100
Wow. Seeing this debrief was mind opening. Really getting into the numbers and the theory behind the numbers. I just learned how much I don't know! : )
Absolute gentleman to allow us to see the reasons why and explain what is actually being constructed during these manouvers. Thankyou
Love it. So helpful. Would love to see more of these. Thanks
Excellent. Shows the kind of BFM debrief that few civilians get their hands on. Thanks!
If I were Wags there I would make exact the same mistakes. Huge takeaways. Big big thank you Mover.
This is bloody awesome! I am entering my first ever BFM tournament this weekend and these videos are really helping me with tactics and skills
It's cool to see the debrief system.. My father actually designed the ACMI / TACTS system for Cubic Corp back in the 1970s.
This dog fight lesson has incredible info. Thanks "mover"for teaching real fight tactics
man if someone can make structured guides out of this, it would be freakin awesome
This was fantastic thanks Mover & Wags. More more more please
Jesus! There's so much in this video. Thanks so much for sharing this!
That was some of the best flying I've seen to date - right up to the part where you got killed.
Really can tell C.W is a sharp cookie ... just how they talk and see both sides of situations... cooool :)
Mover, thanks for this nice video. You were speaking about the game plans for the circle fights. Will you also make a video for defensive and offensive game plans for BFM (or maybe you already did?)?
There is a lot to learn in this video! This is amazing content!
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Wowsers, learned more on this video than all of the sim "time" thus far....
Love it! Thnx for that Gents. Dream come true. Ill be flying in Flags of Honor in the F-14
That was kool. This is really going to be fun and for a good cause. CW you are a Amazing person. The books you have wrote The pilot that you are. I mean wow what a outstanding human being. You have put that saying Be All That You Can Be to another level....
Great instruction and insight, just a fascinating topic brought to life by a great dynamic IP. Love the videos, keep up the great work and thank you for your dedication and service.
Wow, need moar DCS content! These are fantastic with a real life angle/experience.
I'd love to see some kind of DCS sortie/mission with C.W. and couple of dedicated DCS youtubers. Ralfidude, Spudknocker, Hellreign82. I think that could be pretty epic :D
I worked Ground Control Intercept (GCI) with NORAD for years and because we were not co-located with the fighter squadrons, phone debriefs were the norm.
This is awesome! This is pure gold!
The best info on YT!
Very cool to see a great breakdown of things.
I was gonna type a bunch of s#it….but forget it! That was, again badass and SO detailed! I loved it!
Aha! I've learned a fair bit from that, cheers Mover and Wags.
This is amazing! Thank you for sharing your insights and experience 😀
Nice stuff. Thanks Mover.
Thank you again. One suggestion would be to have a follow up video where you quickly explain the jargon. Some of it was understandable within the context, but it turns out the terminology is hard to Google! :) "God's G" for example.
Hansang Bae Gods G is utilizing gravity during the turn, i.e, having greater turn performance in a descent versus in a climb because in a descent you can generally maintain airspeed while loading the jet up with g-loading whereas if you were to try and load the plane up during a climb, you burn off your energy quicker due to going up and against the force of gravity.
@@zhousaifuzhousaifu3055 that makes perfect sense. Thank you
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More of this stuff! Love it!
Good lesson, I'll try to remember in dogfight. IMHO 2D tacview seems too eighty's....and you don't show Kelly McGillis as teacher 🤣....It will be nice a movie from cockpits at the same time by the two pilots. Ciao
Mover, what are your thoughts on Tacview vs. TCTS as a debriefing tool?
Interesting to hear a debrief scenario
i see the G's on the hornet went up to 8.1g while the F5 doesnt seem to get above 6g
Wow ok. Think I better go watch "Art of the Kill" … again.
Are you aware of the tEhP4nth3r channel on Twitch? They did some realistic ACM sets in this video.
476th vFG F/A-18C ACM | VIPER HYPE!
It starts at 1:33:00
I really like the new outro lol. Pretty well made 👌
Now that the new trainer for the Air Force is named and identified to replace the T38, what are your thoughts on the new aircraft? The new aircraft is the T-7A Red Hawk.
Mover, when approaching pre-merge do you try to be aware of your opponent's smash through a radar lock or some other means? Is the objective to merge with a higher energy state or is it better to merge with a relatively equal one? I ask because of what happened in the 2nd set when Wags merged with greater E and you went 1-circle which put him at a disadvantage. Should he have matched your Mach (indicated in the FCR) pre-merge to anticipate a possible reversal to 1-circle, or is it better to always merge with greater E and then redefine the fight vertically if your opponent goes 1-circle with the tighter radius? Thanks.
I can tell how I do it: I usually mirror the opponent's entry speed, but with a "twist": just slightly slower than him (perhaps 20-30 kts slower) :) This way I can make that radius bite (often with a vertical initial move) if I want to, but if that's not feasible, I can somewhat match the bandit's energy state and have all the other options to continue the fight - including preserving the energy state if my opponent gets too greedy and bleeds all their speed! But sometimes against more advanced opponents the mirroring speeds strategy doesn't work (they may be so aggressive it results in too many risky head-on confrontations) - in this case I might bait the opponent into slowing down before merging, only to hit full afterburner a bit before merge, aiming for a significant 100+ kts speed difference, which then will allow a spiral climb that the opponent will not be able to follow. This tactic is very specific to a guns only scenario as these "energy games" are very dangerous if all aspect heatseekers are involved, not even mentioning the high off boresight stuff. And then there are the very few rare ultra capable pilots who will merge with you at ridiculous 600+ kts speeds, ignore the angles fight altogether (initially), blow through with a high climb, making it easy to lose sight, and if you don't, they'll lure you into following them up with inferior energy, convert that energy difference into a nice position for them, slap you around, and finish you off eventually. I have trouble dealing with these types.
@@stuge2589 AND (of course) it depends in what aircraft you're flying. Do I have a trust to weight ratio advantage (at that moment)? Can my aircraft pull this off without entering any disadvantages it may have? Did I/he initiate the turn too early or too late? This debrief looks SO detailed, one would think every G counts. Amazing.
Cool vid. Very educational.
This guy is no slouch
that’s pretty cool.
Even if I didn’t understand a word you said.
Love doing this for a living.
what, watching youtube vids??
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Nope
Why DCS fights doesn’t develop this way ?
Interesting debrief.
Is everything always measured in CAS for debrief in the military? Or is that only because the Hornet isn't registering IAS for some reason? The differences between CAS and IAS, at least on the Tiger, are significant at sometimes. I feel like that fact alone makes speed measurement difficult to really critique.
nice video, nice job!
How does Gonky feel about being the second place prize?
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Speed is life...
Sometimes.
Can you speak on the FAA examination?
Hey, Mover I’m a 13yr old currently trying to get my gliders license and taking ground school for my Pilots license unfortunately I don’t think I will be able to become a fighter pilot but what is your experience with airline flying and would you recommend it? If you do respond to this thank you and have a good day
Tv 5150 because of my heart condition it doesn’t allow a lot of blood to get to my heart fats enough
@@sethcrafton1177 Mover will probably say "make em tell you no"
@@sethcrafton1177 Is your mitral valve not closing right? Or maybe is the timing of the valve closure off? My guess is commercial airline aviation will frown on that, but maybe commercial freight would be less restrictive on pilot's pre-conditions. But I have no first-hand knowledge on potential medical flight restrictions on pilots.
czdaniel1 I don’t know what it’s called but one of my valves in has two things inside of it and not three so the blood flow isn’t very fast and if I were to pull g’s in a jet the blood wouldn’t circulate fast enough and it increases the risk of GLOC
Dont write yourself off before you start. Technology is always advancing, rules changing. Put yourself in a position to become a fighter pilot. When you're 35 and you realize that you couldve made it, but you gave in to doubt as a kid, you have to live with it. Time flies, The window closes fast, make them tell you no. I gave up because I was mildly near sighted. I thought you had to have perfect vision. There are work arounds today, but I am too old now.
How can you see the playtime like this?
How can I join and which things I need to buy,sir?
@2:50 he says "the cob(?) is distorted in some places" - What does that mean?
He said comm, not cob. His comms were distorted at times due to oculus microphone issues.
Do I really have to be 18. I’m younger and an aspiring pilot and I’m pretty good at dogfighting I’m dcs but I’m not 18
Im saddened to say that if my other pc does not work for dcs I wont be able to compete. MSI is expensive and right now I am facing having to buy a car. Gotta be wise.
what is your current pc specs.You don't need a 2000$ PC to run DCS
Play cold waters
Book giveaway?