I wonder on the first story if the dad stayed because he was worried that the mom would groom the son too. That he stayed to protect the kids from her grooming them and hurting them
Do I intervene? Yes, I would. My uncle did it for me when I was 9 and at a sleep over at my cousin’s place. He told me I had a half sister and I wasn’t even mad I was super excited. My half sister was two at the time and even though we didn’t see each other much growing up we are now adults with kids and we are super close.
@@sierraalice8072 they divorced a few years after, but not just because of the affair baby. Once a cheater always a cheater. My dad just couldn’t be faithful and cheated on my mom over and over again.
In regards to the last story, the wife of the last husband's kids were denied trust, access to the family, & benefits until she took a paternity test. Without her husband, her life was made harder by her husband's family until she took the test, all behind an untrue accusation. Conversely, the other mother (and children) were trusted and believed with unsubstantiated proof, and gained all benefits that came with that assumption, all without knowing for certain via DNA testing if her children are legitimate, all withouth being accused by OP. As such, by the family's own history, if one set of children must meet the burden of proof to be fully accepted, with no proof of wrongdoing other that a heresay accusation, the accuser should also be forced to submit to that same burden of proof.
The fact that OP's husband James only married Lucy because she got pregnant, and that she is now refusing to get her daughters dna tested os very suspicious to me, but then again, I've listened to so many stories that that is the only outcome I can see happening😅
Yeah, if they're all going to call OP a liar and a slut, she has ever right to defend herself and call out thr hypocrisy. Bear in mind, the ex's kids are teenagers. They know enough to know they're being cruel. They owe OP the same proof and an apology. OP and isn't the cause of their divorce.
Piggybacking off this, I think OP is just doing petty revenge and I am all for it, they were "abusing" her long before she got pregnant, from Lucy, from the kids (Though maybe slightly brainwashed by Lucy), and the MIL, so really, this is just petty revenge, possibly years she had to go through that, to almost end it only to find out she was pregnant so Not the Asshole, if OP adds new requirements then yeah totally the asshole, but just making them do what they basically made her do is fair justice.
I agree!! My husband is the father to our daughter. I’ll take a dna test for anyone who asks. I prefer not to pay for it cause I hear they can be expensive and we are pretty poor since our house burned down and we apparently had shitty insurance coverage.
You don’t think it has anything to do with the girls saying absolutely no to dna? You believe the kids should be FORCED to submit because her baby, that will never know any of this happens unless she tells him, was made by the grandparents to have a dna test? Selfish beyond. I don’t care how awful the. CHILDREN were to her. OP is vile.
The art story is very simple. She used his semen for art without concent. This is unethical not mattet how you look at it. If he took and used her menstrual blood for art without consulting her, especially then publicly showing it, she would be upset too. Forget the family, OPs bf gets to decide what happens next.
Ancestry DNA tests are accurate as far as relationships… Ethnicity part is guesstimates. The ONLY mix ups I have ever seen if when two people test at the same time and they accidentally register with the wrong tube. ( Like spouses or a kid & parent … etc ) Genetic genealogy is very accurate. There are organizations that will help adoptees or people who find an anomaly that puts their paternity into question. Everyone has the right to accurate health information!
54:46 honestly the kids are 16 &14 years olds and are old enough to be like yeah grandma here is my dna. But they are all 3 refusing. Just dna test the kids and squash the beef. Once the Test comes back then they all have the answer and the kids won’t be test anymore. WE LOVE YALL TOO! I love the 4 of you at the end saying it together.!!
I think the main thing in the last story is that if they do have another father somewhere both the kids and the father need to know, not just for the idea of knowing but again back to health, thinking a parent is your parent might prevent you from doing things you should be trying. The real father may have health issues that the kids need to either be tested for or take preventatives for
100%, and oh my God it's a q-tip swab in the mouth.... so terrifying, so invasive!!! /s If they aren't his kids, the real father gets to know AND his ENTIRE FAMILY gets to know! We've seen time and time again where shitty dad's fail, the family steps up when they find out children are involved. Who cares if he doesn't want to pick you up, Nana's going to be there in 15 min.
Artist OP : “this art is about our love and connection, which I will demonstrate by sacrificing my partner’s emotional safety and taking their dna without consent”
If I was a close family/friend of someone I knew in this situation I’d gift them an ancestory test for birthday/Christmas. “I did one and they’re so much fun!” That way I’d do it in a way without actually telling them.
Story 3: I’m very on the fence on mandatory DNA tests. Part of me agrees that DNA tests at birth would stop so many issues with people (specifically) men having to pay child support for children that aren’t theirs because of women that are lying to them has so many positives. But having mandatory government access to DNA is a slippery slope.
I think the babies (that become adults) deserve to know for health reasons. People who want government benefits and child support should be required to do it in order to navigate the system. I think if they test the mother too it would help with mixed-up baby situations. Plus people need to be better educated when it comes to genetics and this practice would be a practical way of doing that. But for those who want to go rogue, the opt-out option should be available too. They can do the testing later if they change their minds.
I don't think the government needs access to the DNA to have mandatory DNA tests. It would be covered under HIPAA laws in the US. The only thing the government would need to know is if they are the dad.
@@junoantaresofficial Don't think the US Government isn't corrupt and wouldn't sell any data they have about you to absolutely anyone who's willing to pay.
I am mildly curious about my DNA but I will never test because I don't want to give my DNA information to a commercial organisation unless issues about ownership and privacy are resolved.
Just FYI…Both my elderly mother and father passed away and neither one had a police officer to come out. My father had had a stroke, but was still alive and had a DNR on file…so no IV’s or life-saving anything. So, he basically passed away from dehydration and starvation. My mother was in a memory care facility and when she got pneumonia and a UTI, her DNR said not life-saving anything…which included antibiotics. So she also basically died from dehydration and starvation. You can keep someone alive for a long time with IV food and water. Neither of my parents wanted to suffer to be alive in bed. But police do not come out and check with every death. They were both on hospice.
Story 5 Def not the AH. I feel like wife 1 was projecting her past infidelity onto OP and that is why she is refusing to do the tests for her daughters and they will lose everything either way.
Story 5: NTA because Lucy could have baby trapped James 2x (I know who done this). Also. Lucy refusing to have the girls tested bringing up a lot bad vibes. Even if they find out the girls aren't James', the grandparents shouldn't take away the trust and still their grandparents because that's what the knew. The girls do deserve to see if their biological father is alive alive though, in case there are any medical or psychological problems inherited.
I was maybe 10 or something this one time going to the Library, mom told me to finish off my soda because i couldn't bring it inside so while we were waiting to cross the street with the library on the other side of the road. I take my empty can to the corner trash bin, and I guess I was blinded by the sunlight, it was a pretty hot day, but anyway, I walked straight into the street light and for the rest of the day I had to wear a baseball hat to cover the enormous bump on my forehead. A unicorn walked into the Library that hot Summer day and nobody knew. 🤣 What I laugh about when Sam starts doing his doctor story. 😂
Re the artwork: the OP is definitely the AH. I'm a bit stunned that she typed that entire post and had to ask if she was the AH. I get that OP said they pushed boundaries in the relationship, but I'm pretty sure they both agree/consent with the boundaries they push. The OP's BF didn't know she was using his semen in the artwork so he didn't consent to it. He has every reason to be angry. Also guys, it isn't illegal to get a paternity test in France. You can get one but you have to have a court order to get one.
I told my ex-father-in-law his father was someone other than who he thought. I uncovered it accidentally while helping the family with a family tree. I asked my ex if he knew and he asked his siblings. No one knew if my f-i-l knew but was keeping it secret or if he didn't know. I was conflicted, but no one wanted to tell him and I was persuaded not to either. Unfortunately my f-i-l was linked to my ancestry account and he called me out of the blue saying "so what's going on with these messages I'm getting from Ancestry?" I panicked and spilled the tea. It turns out the Ancestry messages had nothing to do with the revelation. (oops) Also turned out he didn't know about his mystery father and was sorry he found out. (He was in his 70s and quite a bit younger than his other siblings. His parents had passed away long before. He had an older sibling who was still alive who confirmed that everyone had known but him. Kind of a shitty surprise for him.)
OP isn't responsible for the grandparents decision to withhold the inheritance. The grandparents decided that - NOT the OP. The grandparents could still give them an inheritance even if it's proven that they're not the biological grandkids. It's their choice. OP is not the AH.
In the first story, with the grooming mom, I don't think the dad is an a-hole for not telling the kid because I think the dad was secretly hoping OP was his child. The mom lies so much that my guess is that dad was hoping she lied about OP being his kid. I think OP needs to talk to dad because he is probably hurting as much as OP.
All I'm saying is... no one reports on the good or not-interesting DNA test stories, which is why all of the imploding ones get on shows like this 😅 another great episode! Edit: HEY SIG FIGS!
44:56 as soon as I saw the tears flying when the title got read I had the exact same thought that John had about catching the tears to dna test them lol 😅😅😂😂
just to confirm with the whole "do they have to investigate deaths" Yes, yes they do. As yall said they have to double check that there wasn't any foul play and even then they may still get sent for an autopsy for that 100% guarantee - So please be prepared for this if someone you love passes outside of a hospital, we had to learn this the hard way back in april when our dad died on holiday from a massive heart attack
About intervention within family members, my family kinda did with one of my cousins. Since we were kids, one of our cousins was very different and weird. My brother and I, AS KIDS, knew something was wrong and my mom also noticed. My mom and I mentioned to my uncle and aunt that there was something different about our cousin but they never accepted it. Nowadays, it's even clearer. My cousin is like 22 and still behaves and talks like an 8 year old kid. We think there's a developmental issue that could have been helped if there had been an intervention earlier but I think it is late now. However, not even now that my cousin can't keep a job and had a lot of problem socializing and finishing high school, they acknowledge there's an elephant in the room
It’s a good thing my sister and I have different genetic abnormalities from my dad that makes it 100% obvious that we’re his. My sister has his abnormally small ear canals/hearing impairment, his hair texture, and his large forehead while I have his small hands, his autism, and his small heels that make shoe shopping a nuisance.
@@youknowimright1725 so they couldn’t get my DNA from the saliva that I sent in twice. Which is apparently something that does happen. I think they said 20% or so. I think I was actually less.
Autopsy/death investigations are conducted dependent on age/location & whether or not there was an obvious natural cause of death (illness). Some places conduct them automatically to anyone under 85, or older if there is just cause. Most places forego this process when there is an obvious natural cause, such as cancer, unless they have probable cause to conduct them.
Please. The video is old but.... Paternity tests are not illegal in France. If need, a judge can ask for a test. And you can ask for one if you want to contest or if you want to prove a filiation's link.
When I was 10 years old I over heard my 13 year old cousin mention that our 8 year old cousin was adopted. I went to my mom who told me not to tell so I didn’t
the one who made the art: she quite possibly collected the fluids by pushing it back out using the PC muscle...I say this bc it would make sense how she collected both...I have always done this immediately following intimacy but I've never made art out of it 😂
Last story: Not the A-Hole! Fair is fair! They all know damn good anf well they are ALL wrong for the treatment of OP and its a classic case of, fuck around and find out! Bc why is it ok for EVERYONE to treat OP like that but it's not ok for her to do the exact same thing?! OP is a legend for what she said and did!
Last story OP is not the ahole but the grandparents are! They are the ones who demanded the test from OP, likely listening to the ex-wife. So if they agreed to equal treatment the other children should also be tested. Unfortunately the older siblings are only acting the way their mother has influenced them… smh the ex-wife is very bitter.
I would intervene in bad situations if the person that's needs help is actually trying to make things better. I am quite selective with my altruism because I was one of those people that fell through the cracks and no one was there to help me figure it out until my late husband showed up. Pred mom sounds like my incubator. Mine did worse.
I did a DNA test and it came back with Sub Saharan African DNA. My skin tone is dark, dark clear, transparent, a special shade of white that has me buying concealer at Staples in the office correction dept in the shade of White Out. I have a Biology degree, so I'm like someone sneezed in the lab, manufacturing error, holey glove etc... told my mother and she's "Oh yeah, your sister came back with that too". She's the same shade of transparent I am. Lab error hypothesis gets pitched. My sister is 20 years younger than me, different fathers and we did our tests months apart. So lab error double pitched, not a daddy issue... I laugh every time I look at makeup. Gotta be a lab error 😂 Genetics are FUN
I like how you note that you’re a biology major yet don’t know the very mainstream fact that majority (between %85-%95) of humans genetically originated from Africa. Weather they be Irish, English Asian or Slavic, Will still show some percentage of African
47:30 it depends sometimes they do a investigation but a lot of times they might just not do a very thorough investigation. Currently there are a ton of cases that were considered suicide that make absolutely no sense at all. Rebecca Zahau and Ellen Greenberg are 2 very big cases that I believe are cases of murder that got called suicide because of shitty/no investigation. There are atleast 5 others that I can think of that I don’t personally believe were suicides but I can’t think of the person names and there is a chance that maybe they could have been but I don’t believe they are. In my opinion it’s absolutely impossible for Ellen and Rebecca’s deaths to of been self inflicted. Their deaths make no sense
The OP in the first story needs to alert police. Their mom is literally dangerous and should actually be in actual prison. OP 2 not the AH, I'm glad she blew meemaw's spot up. I hate paternity fraud, it should be a crime. OP 3 is the AH and that's a betrayal and just gross. OP 4 I wouldn't say is an AH, but selfish. Full or half he's still his brother that will never change. OP 5 not the AH and the specific kind of petty I enjoy. If DNA tests are no big deal then they shouldn't mind taking them too.
Story #5 NTAH. It will not harm the kids to have their cheek swabbed. And it may teach Lucy to shut her mouth. Also, why would Lucy refuse the DNA test at all if she’s sure that her ex is the father? OP may my be petty, but I’m here for it!😂
Last story #5, not the AH. I think OP has suffered being called the other woman since the start of her relationship with the dead husband. However she didnt meet him untill after the divorce. Its proven. However the ex wife continued to tell everyone, the in-laws plus the children that op is the reason for the divorce and why you cant be with dad. The kids then hate on op as a result. Then the husband dies and even the in laws re horrible plus demanding a dna test,.. probably if its proved the kid wasnt the dead husbands then the in-laws would probably contest the will. See where we are going? So the ex plus the in-laws were preparing to cut op’s and her sons shares of the will out. They were preparing and the boy being the true son put a giant stop to that. So now the in-laws are retroactively being oh wait our grand baby and it’s a BOY. So now they want to be in the boys life. Op is like f and u, and came up with the fair treatment hurdles to put them off. So they came up with the money apparently, most likely it can be reversed somehow however they did that and thought ok we did the thing. But no OP is demanding every drop of consequences. She demands dna tests on the girls. Sh may suspect the one girl at least isnt the husbands but even if they both are his changes nothing. The in laws treated her and her son like garbage, put massive emotional garbage on op and her husbands entire relationship, unjust accusations so op is setting the boundaries and putting up the toll booth. You gotta pay your fees to pass the border. So the in-laws have to get the dna tests done. Now we is the ex being picky refusing? She’s already divorced. What harm comes to her if it turns out they are not the ex husbands? Oooh yes the trust funds. She could just let the test be done so the in-laws can see the boy, and so her girls can know their brother but i bet theres an issue there. Th ex husband wasnt the only one having affairs. She was the golden girl hand picked by the in laws to be the daughter in law. If the girls dna comes away other than the deceased husband all that gold gets dissolved right there and no more inheritances or trust funds. I get the impression the in-laws are the type to turn their back on a dime to anyone not of their lineage and play massive favourites. The ex wife can deny dna tests all she wants but I bet the in laws demand dna at time of college to get money out or at time of their death to be able to collect. So the ex wife isnt saving face. Pay the toll. You played the witch card, but op owns the house.
Last story: There's a LOT of times (don't know exact % but I estimate 75% based on all the stories I've heard in my 50+ years of life) that when someone irrationally starts accusing someone of an affair &/or passing off another guy's baby as their SO's baby, then the one suddenly accusing is projecting their own sins & just mad that someone else might get away with it too. So OP certainly has reason to believe Lucy (1st wife) is doing that. NTA for turning it on her & demanding equal treatment from the grandparents. After all OP said her husband only married Lucy because she was pregnant. If he was lackluster about their relationship, only dating her because the parents pushed her on him, then he certainly wouldn't have been careless about protection. That really lowers the chances that Lucy's 1st pregnancy was his kid, even if she wasn't on bc. Yes condoms break, but still there's a decently high rate of prevention using only condoms. Lucy could've seen he didn't love her & wanted to break up so she went searching for a few "no questions, no names" 1-night stands & purposely got pregnant in order to baby-trap OP's husband. There are guys out there that have a weird mindset that they won't use condoms at all, deeming it "unmanly", & others will take the chance to not use one with very little convincing because they don't like them. My uncle actually worked with a guy that couldn't have kids, but he & his wife wanted them. So THREE TIMES she went out to bars & picked up guys, swearing she was on the pill (even had the partly used pack in her purse) & said she didn't like guys that wore condoms. Then they'd have sex a couple times & while the guys were in the shower after she'd write down all the identifying info on them she could (phones with cameras weren't quite common yet so no quick snap of their id). Boom 6 weeks later she's contacting them to let them know "her bc failed & when the baby comes they needed a dna test". Then she'd send a few messages about how her husband might divorce her because her pregnancy doesn't line up with when he was home, he had been out of town that week visiting family. Then she'd message that hubby forgave her "1 time mistake" & is accepting being step-dad, but really they can pay the bills but neither of them made that much, so they were still gonna sue this sucker for child support & put half that monthly money in a savings for that kid that would only be for that kid's medical emergencies & college. Yes, they successfully pulled this scam 3 times! The husband bragged to his coworkers how he & his wife pull in all this good money & save only for their retirement cause half of each kid's child support goes in a fund for 2 family vacations a year & the other half to their college funds & they would each have a good amount of college money by the time they reach 18. Why? Because these guys weren't paying something small like $100-200 per month in support. They were each paying over $500. When the wife was picking up these men she made sure to only pick up guys with good secure jobs. One was a lawyer, one was a military guy that was not just doing a minimal sign up but a career soldier that was already working his way up in rank. I forget the 3rd exactly but it was something secure like computer programmer or such where even if his current company had layoffs he'd likely get another job pretty quickly. When my uncle was telling me this coworker's story, he said that this couple when they started this scam already made enough to support themselves & 3 kids, & after kid #3 coworker had gotten a good raise. They didn't need a penny from any of the bio dads, but felt like if the guys were dumb enough to not use condoms that was their problem & so they deserved to have to pay child support. I felt like this couple was so conniving because yeah the guys were dumb to sleep with a woman (married or not) without protection, but also the wife did intentionally lie about bc because she intended to get pregnant.
story #1 If OP's "dad" was emancipated, he was a legal adult. So being there and on the birth certificate wouldn't be illegal. Also, in some states, the legal age of consent is 17. I'm not saying it's not wrong, nor am I saying it's not gross, it's just not illegal. Story #5 I wouldn't be surprised if the first kid WASN'T his so I'm in the NTA corner.
In France, paternity test aren't illegal, whoever told you that is wrong. It just can't be used in a court of law because it's not recognized as a proof. That will probably change someday, but not yet. Also I know that Emily in Paris likes to make it look like France's national sport is infidelity, but it's actually not higher that other europe countries, it's actually lower than UK, for example. And probably lower than USA, but I can't be sure of the numbers I get for you from here. OP NTA on this story.Lucy & daughters definitely are, though. The girls don't sound that young, they sound like they have their opinion on op too, so yeah... A*holes. And grand parents are borderline a*holes too.
Too many compliments for Riley haha. Riley seems like the homie. Little shy ☺️. I’m the same way though, not used to the compliments from the gal pals. So I react the same way.
Last story OP would only be the asshole is she was asking for things that weren’t asked of her. She’s just being fair and also, the grandparents didn’t have too.
Why the FIRST, SECOND, THRID, and so on. I just don't get it. What's the point? Does it make ppl feel special or something? I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't get it.
This might already be said later, not sure paused in the middle, but for the painting one, it is a weird idea and one that crosses that ethical line, BUT...no one thought the painting was inappropriate or obscene BEFORE they found out it was made...only after...showing that they actually dont really have a problem with the painting. For real, i mean as an artist myself, youd have to torture me hard core to get me to confess that kind of info lol. This lady has some screws loose, sure. But had she not told everyone, there would be no problem. And thats not saying she shouldnt have asked her husbands permission before using his...fluids lol. Thats saying she didnt even need to tell everyone else lol.
Story # 5. NOT THE a-hole... OP is just trying to prove a point. The ex mom said OP was a the woman he cheated with, but how does the family know that the ex mom didnt also cheat?
Last story of course not the a-hole, it would be different if situation was weird like she wouldn't be his wife etc, and sudenly come from nowere, but she was normal girlfriebd that he meet after divorse, ex wife made her in to this "bad character" and people didn't even show for theirs wedding bc ex talked shit about her to in laws and their own kids... And OP knows that situation with ex was not clear too, like she sudenly were pregned when they broke up, and if course it could be true, sure, but why now she is scared and dosen't want to do test... Like if tye relations were ok between family then maybe itvwoukd be different but hiw she was treated and ex come to funeral and started to talk shit like that, I would also made people jump all the hoops... And it us fair nobody never asked ex about test etc everyone trusted her and they were broken up, and OP was a wife and nobody trusted her. No way she is a ass here. They don't need to a test, and stay away there is also this option. So yeah... And the daughter is old enought that she knows what it could mean for her, he may lose grandparents and their money support too of course so she also didn't want to do it... Especially if the mother is like that, the fact that the daughter didn't give a chance to father new wife bc her mother talked shit it shows how she was bring up....
With DNA testing, it’s not as accurate as they say. There was an investigation done on a lot of the different DNA kits. Identical twins did the test and none of them said that they were related. They also said that the twins were from different parts of the work and so on. They did these various DNA kits multiple times with many different answers, but the twins were never said to be related. 🤷♀️
Story 5 NTA What's Lucy hiding? The kids idk, tough one but they are teens, maybe they deserve to know? 13 is young though. NTA still for forcing equal treatment. Doesn't sound like a good atmosphere for her baby to grow up in. A lot of animosity.
the art one: OP is a complete garbage person, at the end she tried to justify it instead of owning up to it and she sounds completely like one of these people who does wild out of line sh** that bothers other people. "it's legal so others should suck it up, this is who I am, if they don't like what I do they aren't worth my time." mentality. There was no reason to keep it from her partner, everytime people do stuff like this I never buy the "I want to surprise them" crap. It feels more like they just want to push peoples buttons, see how far they can take it. This was about attention. Btw using her partners fluids for art without permission, there should be a law or laws against this shit and if so the bf should sue the crap out of her. ( or at least if she refuses to take it down. btw the audacity. )
Just wanted to give a little fun fact: there’s a woman who has a business that uses breast milk and swimmers to make jewelry. So with that what you will my boys haha!! 😂
They wanted her to test a baby…a BABY! So not the AH as that was unfair to put the baby through with no just cause of cheating. It was simply because they did not prefer her. So I get her view on this. 52:34
Op is totally pulling an asshole move by demanding Lucy get her kid's DNA tested, AND I AM LIVING FOR IT! She's being petty, and I say good for her! I also don't think she is "The Asshole", nor is it and ESH situation. This is an action of justifiable assholery. She's no saint, but she gets a pass in my book.
I wonder on the first story if the dad stayed because he was worried that the mom would groom the son too. That he stayed to protect the kids from her grooming them and hurting them
I'm shocked nobody was talking about the first story more
Was wondering the same
Omg, this 1st story is so effed up! OPs mother needs to be in jail!
Lucy needs to get the test. Shes been happy to dish it out and to teach her daughters to be equally mean. Op NTA
Do I intervene? Yes, I would. My uncle did it for me when I was 9 and at a sleep over at my cousin’s place. He told me I had a half sister and I wasn’t even mad I was super excited. My half sister was two at the time and even though we didn’t see each other much growing up we are now adults with kids and we are super close.
How’d that go over with your parents?
@@sierraalice8072 they divorced a few years after, but not just because of the affair baby. Once a cheater always a cheater. My dad just couldn’t be faithful and cheated on my mom over and over again.
@@AR-ur7oj my dad had an affair baby too, at the same time my mom was pregnant, so now I have 2 sisters who are literally 12 days apart
In regards to the last story, the wife of the last husband's kids were denied trust, access to the family, & benefits until she took a paternity test. Without her husband, her life was made harder by her husband's family until she took the test, all behind an untrue accusation. Conversely, the other mother (and children) were trusted and believed with unsubstantiated proof, and gained all benefits that came with that assumption, all without knowing for certain via DNA testing if her children are legitimate, all withouth being accused by OP. As such, by the family's own history, if one set of children must meet the burden of proof to be fully accepted, with no proof of wrongdoing other that a heresay accusation, the accuser should also be forced to submit to that same burden of proof.
The fact that OP's husband James only married Lucy because she got pregnant, and that she is now refusing to get her daughters dna tested os very suspicious to me, but then again, I've listened to so many stories that that is the only outcome I can see happening😅
Yup i agree!!!!
Yeah, if they're all going to call OP a liar and a slut, she has ever right to defend herself and call out thr hypocrisy. Bear in mind, the ex's kids are teenagers. They know enough to know they're being cruel. They owe OP the same proof and an apology. OP and isn't the cause of their divorce.
Piggybacking off this, I think OP is just doing petty revenge and I am all for it, they were "abusing" her long before she got pregnant, from Lucy, from the kids (Though maybe slightly brainwashed by Lucy), and the MIL, so really, this is just petty revenge, possibly years she had to go through that, to almost end it only to find out she was pregnant so Not the Asshole, if OP adds new requirements then yeah totally the asshole, but just making them do what they basically made her do is fair justice.
I agree!! My husband is the father to our daughter. I’ll take a dna test for anyone who asks. I prefer not to pay for it cause I hear they can be expensive and we are pretty poor since our house burned down and we apparently had shitty insurance coverage.
You don’t think it has anything to do with the girls saying absolutely no to dna? You believe the kids should be FORCED to submit because her baby, that will never know any of this happens unless she tells him, was made by the grandparents to have a dna test? Selfish beyond. I don’t care how awful the. CHILDREN were to her. OP is vile.
The art story is very simple. She used his semen for art without concent. This is unethical not mattet how you look at it. If he took and used her menstrual blood for art without consulting her, especially then publicly showing it, she would be upset too. Forget the family, OPs bf gets to decide what happens next.
Yall so dramatic, who gives a fk
I agree. As a artist myself. I understand the freedom of expression. But that has its limits. What she did has crossed the line.
Idk, OP seems like the kind of freak who'd be into it if her partner did that.
@@youknowimright1725Well you don't until it's your menstrual blood being broadcast in front of your friend and family lol
Loving the long episodes.
Keep up the good work everybody!
Ancestry DNA tests are accurate as far as relationships… Ethnicity part is guesstimates.
The ONLY mix ups I have ever seen if when two people test at the same time and they accidentally register with the wrong tube. ( Like spouses or a kid & parent … etc )
Genetic genealogy is very accurate. There are organizations that will help adoptees or people who find an anomaly that puts their paternity into question.
Everyone has the right to accurate health information!
Well ancestry said ny younger half sister was my cousin so off by a bit😅
54:46 honestly the kids are 16 &14 years olds and are old enough to be like yeah grandma here is my dna.
But they are all 3 refusing. Just dna test the kids and squash the beef. Once the
Test comes back then they all have the answer and the kids won’t be test anymore.
WE LOVE YALL TOO! I love the 4 of you at the end saying it together.!!
The story about the mom groomed a 12 year old is so shocking- Im glad they didnt downplay the severity of the fact that woman is a Pedophile
These first 4-5 comments are riveting! 😂
I NEED THOSE OVERALL'S!!!!!
Artwork story - I agree with John. If the op asked their partner before then it would have been a different reaction then having it a surprise
I think the main thing in the last story is that if they do have another father somewhere both the kids and the father need to know, not just for the idea of knowing but again back to health, thinking a parent is your parent might prevent you from doing things you should be trying. The real father may have health issues that the kids need to either be tested for or take preventatives for
100%, and oh my God it's a q-tip swab in the mouth.... so terrifying, so invasive!!! /s
If they aren't his kids, the real father gets to know AND his ENTIRE FAMILY gets to know!
We've seen time and time again where shitty dad's fail, the family steps up when they find out children are involved.
Who cares if he doesn't want to pick you up, Nana's going to be there in 15 min.
Artist OP : “this art is about our love and connection, which I will demonstrate by sacrificing my partner’s emotional safety and taking their dna without consent”
Story 5 Justified Ahole needs to be a rating.
If I was a close family/friend of someone I knew in this situation I’d gift them an ancestory test for birthday/Christmas. “I did one and they’re so much fun!” That way I’d do it in a way without actually telling them.
It would still cause drama but “oh Jezz I forgot it’s been so long I haven’t even though so in so isn’t mom/dad” 😂
First story is just mortifying 😭
Story 3: I’m very on the fence on mandatory DNA tests. Part of me agrees that DNA tests at birth would stop so many issues with people (specifically) men having to pay child support for children that aren’t theirs because of women that are lying to them has so many positives. But having mandatory government access to DNA is a slippery slope.
I think the babies (that become adults) deserve to know for health reasons. People who want government benefits and child support should be required to do it in order to navigate the system. I think if they test the mother too it would help with mixed-up baby situations. Plus people need to be better educated when it comes to genetics and this practice would be a practical way of doing that. But for those who want to go rogue, the opt-out option should be available too. They can do the testing later if they change their minds.
They need DNA test.
I don't think the government needs access to the DNA to have mandatory DNA tests. It would be covered under HIPAA laws in the US. The only thing the government would need to know is if they are the dad.
@@junoantaresofficial
Don't think the US Government isn't corrupt and wouldn't sell any data they have about you to absolutely anyone who's willing to pay.
I am mildly curious about my DNA but I will never test because I don't want to give my DNA information to a commercial organisation unless issues about ownership and privacy are resolved.
Just FYI…Both my elderly mother and father passed away and neither one had a police officer to come out. My father had had a stroke, but was still alive and had a DNR on file…so no IV’s or life-saving anything. So, he basically passed away from dehydration and starvation. My mother was in a memory care facility and when she got pneumonia and a UTI, her DNR said not life-saving anything…which included antibiotics. So she also basically died from dehydration and starvation. You can keep someone alive for a long time with IV food and water. Neither of my parents wanted to suffer to be alive in bed. But police do not come out and check with every death. They were both on hospice.
Lol I love all of the jokes and banter from you guys. DONT CHANGE A THING! ❤
I can’t wait for the OKOP! episode that reveals Sophia is Sam’s daughter
Story 5 Def not the AH. I feel like wife 1 was projecting her past infidelity onto OP and that is why she is refusing to do the tests for her daughters and they will lose everything either way.
Are the dna tests ruining the family or are the lies?
Both
Story 5: NTA because Lucy could have baby trapped James 2x (I know who done this). Also. Lucy refusing to have the girls tested bringing up a lot bad vibes. Even if they find out the girls aren't James', the grandparents shouldn't take away the trust and still their grandparents because that's what the knew. The girls do deserve to see if their biological father is alive alive though, in case there are any medical or psychological problems inherited.
Happy Christmas John and Sam!! Made my year more enjoyable, wish you good luck for the future! much love from the UK! 🎄🎁
I was maybe 10 or something this one time going to the Library, mom told me to finish off my soda because i couldn't bring it inside so while we were waiting to cross the street with the library on the other side of the road. I take my empty can to the corner trash bin, and I guess I was blinded by the sunlight, it was a pretty hot day, but anyway, I walked straight into the street light and for the rest of the day I had to wear a baseball hat to cover the enormous bump on my forehead. A unicorn walked into the Library that hot Summer day and nobody knew. 🤣 What I laugh about when Sam starts doing his doctor story. 😂
For the last story, if there was a Justified A-hole rating, this would be easier. I think NTA, but I do feel for the kids.
Re the artwork: the OP is definitely the AH. I'm a bit stunned that she typed that entire post and had to ask if she was the AH.
I get that OP said they pushed boundaries in the relationship, but I'm pretty sure they both agree/consent with the boundaries they push. The OP's BF didn't know she was using his semen in the artwork so he didn't consent to it. He has every reason to be angry.
Also guys, it isn't illegal to get a paternity test in France. You can get one but you have to have a court order to get one.
I told my ex-father-in-law his father was someone other than who he thought. I uncovered it accidentally while helping the family with a family tree. I asked my ex if he knew and he asked his siblings. No one knew if my f-i-l knew but was keeping it secret or if he didn't know. I was conflicted, but no one wanted to tell him and I was persuaded not to either. Unfortunately my f-i-l was linked to my ancestry account and he called me out of the blue saying "so what's going on with these messages I'm getting from Ancestry?" I panicked and spilled the tea. It turns out the Ancestry messages had nothing to do with the revelation. (oops) Also turned out he didn't know about his mystery father and was sorry he found out. (He was in his 70s and quite a bit younger than his other siblings. His parents had passed away long before. He had an older sibling who was still alive who confirmed that everyone had known but him. Kind of a shitty surprise for him.)
OP isn't responsible for the grandparents decision to withhold the inheritance. The grandparents decided that - NOT the OP.
The grandparents could still give them an inheritance even if it's proven that they're not the biological grandkids. It's their choice.
OP is not the AH.
In the first story, with the grooming mom, I don't think the dad is an a-hole for not telling the kid because I think the dad was secretly hoping OP was his child. The mom lies so much that my guess is that dad was hoping she lied about OP being his kid. I think OP needs to talk to dad because he is probably hurting as much as OP.
All I'm saying is... no one reports on the good or not-interesting DNA test stories, which is why all of the imploding ones get on shows like this 😅 another great episode!
Edit: HEY SIG FIGS!
44:56 as soon as I saw the tears flying when the title got read I had the exact same thought that John had about catching the tears to dna test them lol 😅😅😂😂
just to confirm with the whole "do they have to investigate deaths" Yes, yes they do. As yall said they have to double check that there wasn't any foul play and even then they may still get sent for an autopsy for that 100% guarantee - So please be prepared for this if someone you love passes outside of a hospital, we had to learn this the hard way back in april when our dad died on holiday from a massive heart attack
Fun fact, there are some famous paintings that use mummy brown wich is a paint made of actual mummys
About intervention within family members, my family kinda did with one of my cousins. Since we were kids, one of our cousins was very different and weird. My brother and I, AS KIDS, knew something was wrong and my mom also noticed. My mom and I mentioned to my uncle and aunt that there was something different about our cousin but they never accepted it. Nowadays, it's even clearer. My cousin is like 22 and still behaves and talks like an 8 year old kid. We think there's a developmental issue that could have been helped if there had been an intervention earlier but I think it is late now. However, not even now that my cousin can't keep a job and had a lot of problem socializing and finishing high school, they acknowledge there's an elephant in the room
A happy holiday season to all - and NIX the DNA kit as a present under that tree!
It’s a good thing my sister and I have different genetic abnormalities from my dad that makes it 100% obvious that we’re his. My sister has his abnormally small ear canals/hearing impairment, his hair texture, and his large forehead while I have his small hands, his autism, and his small heels that make shoe shopping a nuisance.
I did two separate DNA test and they couldn’t pull my DNA. Which was fun 🤣🤣🤣
That happened to my cousin too! 😂
Wait… are you my cousin?
What that means..? Couldn't pull their DNA...?
@@youknowimright1725 so they couldn’t get my DNA from the saliva that I sent in twice. Which is apparently something that does happen. I think they said 20% or so. I think I was actually less.
@@bethanyhutter5433 probably not. But that is kind of funny. 🤣🤣🤣
Autopsy/death investigations are conducted dependent on age/location & whether or not there was an obvious natural cause of death (illness). Some places conduct them automatically to anyone under 85, or older if there is just cause. Most places forego this process when there is an obvious natural cause, such as cancer, unless they have probable cause to conduct them.
Please. The video is old but.... Paternity tests are not illegal in France. If need, a judge can ask for a test. And you can ask for one if you want to contest or if you want to prove a filiation's link.
Omg that romper lol love it.
All of these are crazy 😱
I’m Happy protein is in this one too!🥹
When I was 10 years old I over heard my 13 year old cousin mention that our 8 year old cousin was adopted. I went to my mom who told me not to tell so I didn’t
Well ya, as it isn't your place to tell.
You're not 10 now ...lol😂
And you just told 😅😅😅😅
Sam looks comfy AF in this one
the one who made the art: she quite possibly collected the fluids by pushing it back out using the PC muscle...I say this bc it would make sense how she collected both...I have always done this immediately following intimacy but I've never made art out of it 😂
Last story: Not the A-Hole! Fair is fair! They all know damn good anf well they are ALL wrong for the treatment of OP and its a classic case of, fuck around and find out! Bc why is it ok for EVERYONE to treat OP like that but it's not ok for her to do the exact same thing?! OP is a legend for what she said and did!
Last story OP is not the ahole but the grandparents are! They are the ones who demanded the test from OP, likely listening to the ex-wife. So if they agreed to equal treatment the other children should also be tested. Unfortunately the older siblings are only acting the way their mother has influenced them… smh the ex-wife is very bitter.
I would intervene in bad situations if the person that's needs help is actually trying to make things better. I am quite selective with my altruism because I was one of those people that fell through the cracks and no one was there to help me figure it out until my late husband showed up.
Pred mom sounds like my incubator. Mine did worse.
I did a DNA test and it came back with Sub Saharan African DNA. My skin tone is dark, dark clear, transparent, a special shade of white that has me buying concealer at Staples in the office correction dept in the shade of White Out. I have a Biology degree, so I'm like someone sneezed in the lab, manufacturing error, holey glove etc... told my mother and she's "Oh yeah, your sister came back with that too". She's the same shade of transparent I am. Lab error hypothesis gets pitched. My sister is 20 years younger than me, different fathers and we did our tests months apart. So lab error double pitched, not a daddy issue... I laugh every time I look at makeup. Gotta be a lab error 😂 Genetics are FUN
I like how you note that you’re a biology major yet don’t know the very mainstream fact that majority (between %85-%95) of humans genetically originated from Africa. Weather they be Irish, English Asian or Slavic, Will still show some percentage of African
I provided hospice care for my mother & her father. The police do not come the coroner does. Don't quote me on this but they might get the heads up.
Shitty family lies seems to be destroying the families 😅😂
What shot are you talking about that does that?
Carrie and Sophia episode pls!
ITS COMING UP SOON!
😆Ahhhhhhhh @@OKOPShow
47:30 it depends sometimes they do a investigation but a lot of times they might just not do a very thorough investigation. Currently there are a ton of cases that were considered suicide that make absolutely no sense at all. Rebecca Zahau and Ellen Greenberg are 2 very big cases that I believe are cases of murder that got called suicide because of shitty/no investigation. There are atleast 5 others that I can think of that I don’t personally believe were suicides but I can’t think of the person names and there is a chance that maybe they could have been but I don’t believe they are. In my opinion it’s absolutely impossible for Ellen and Rebecca’s deaths to of been self inflicted. Their deaths make no sense
The OP in the first story needs to alert police. Their mom is literally dangerous and should actually be in actual prison. OP 2 not the AH, I'm glad she blew meemaw's spot up. I hate paternity fraud, it should be a crime. OP 3 is the AH and that's a betrayal and just gross. OP 4 I wouldn't say is an AH, but selfish. Full or half he's still his brother that will never change. OP 5 not the AH and the specific kind of petty I enjoy. If DNA tests are no big deal then they shouldn't mind taking them too.
Story #5 NTAH. It will not harm the kids to have their cheek swabbed. And it may teach Lucy to shut her mouth. Also, why would Lucy refuse the DNA test at all if she’s sure that her ex is the father? OP may my be petty, but I’m here for it!😂
Last story #5, not the AH. I think OP has suffered being called the other woman since the start of her relationship with the dead husband. However she didnt meet him untill after the divorce. Its proven.
However the ex wife continued to tell everyone, the in-laws plus the children that op is the reason for the divorce and why you cant be with dad.
The kids then hate on op as a result.
Then the husband dies and even the in laws re horrible plus demanding a dna test,.. probably if its proved the kid wasnt the dead husbands then the in-laws would probably contest the will. See where we are going?
So the ex plus the in-laws were preparing to cut op’s and her sons shares of the will out. They were preparing and the boy being the true son put a giant stop to that. So now the in-laws are retroactively being oh wait our grand baby and it’s a BOY.
So now they want to be in the boys life. Op is like f and u, and came up with the fair treatment hurdles to put them off. So they came up with the money apparently, most likely it can be reversed somehow however they did that and thought ok we did the thing. But no OP is demanding every drop of consequences. She demands dna tests on the girls. Sh may suspect the one girl at least isnt the husbands but even if they both are his changes nothing. The in laws treated her and her son like garbage, put massive emotional garbage on op and her husbands entire relationship, unjust accusations so op is setting the boundaries and putting up the toll booth. You gotta pay your fees to pass the border. So the in-laws have to get the dna tests done. Now we is the ex being picky refusing? She’s already divorced. What harm comes to her if it turns out they are not the ex husbands? Oooh yes the trust funds. She could just let the test be done so the in-laws can see the boy, and so her girls can know their brother but i bet theres an issue there. Th ex husband wasnt the only one having affairs. She was the golden girl hand picked by the in laws to be the daughter in law. If the girls dna comes away other than the deceased husband all that gold gets dissolved right there and no more inheritances or trust funds.
I get the impression the in-laws are the type to turn their back on a dime to anyone not of their lineage and play massive favourites. The ex wife can deny dna tests all she wants but I bet the in laws demand dna at time of college to get money out or at time of their death to be able to collect. So the ex wife isnt saving face.
Pay the toll. You played the witch card, but op owns the house.
Last story: There's a LOT of times (don't know exact % but I estimate 75% based on all the stories I've heard in my 50+ years of life) that when someone irrationally starts accusing someone of an affair &/or passing off another guy's baby as their SO's baby, then the one suddenly accusing is projecting their own sins & just mad that someone else might get away with it too. So OP certainly has reason to believe Lucy (1st wife) is doing that. NTA for turning it on her & demanding equal treatment from the grandparents. After all OP said her husband only married Lucy because she was pregnant. If he was lackluster about their relationship, only dating her because the parents pushed her on him, then he certainly wouldn't have been careless about protection. That really lowers the chances that Lucy's 1st pregnancy was his kid, even if she wasn't on bc. Yes condoms break, but still there's a decently high rate of prevention using only condoms. Lucy could've seen he didn't love her & wanted to break up so she went searching for a few "no questions, no names" 1-night stands & purposely got pregnant in order to baby-trap OP's husband.
There are guys out there that have a weird mindset that they won't use condoms at all, deeming it "unmanly", & others will take the chance to not use one with very little convincing because they don't like them. My uncle actually worked with a guy that couldn't have kids, but he & his wife wanted them. So THREE TIMES she went out to bars & picked up guys, swearing she was on the pill (even had the partly used pack in her purse) & said she didn't like guys that wore condoms. Then they'd have sex a couple times & while the guys were in the shower after she'd write down all the identifying info on them she could (phones with cameras weren't quite common yet so no quick snap of their id). Boom 6 weeks later she's contacting them to let them know "her bc failed & when the baby comes they needed a dna test". Then she'd send a few messages about how her husband might divorce her because her pregnancy doesn't line up with when he was home, he had been out of town that week visiting family. Then she'd message that hubby forgave her "1 time mistake" & is accepting being step-dad, but really they can pay the bills but neither of them made that much, so they were still gonna sue this sucker for child support & put half that monthly money in a savings for that kid that would only be for that kid's medical emergencies & college. Yes, they successfully pulled this scam 3 times! The husband bragged to his coworkers how he & his wife pull in all this good money & save only for their retirement cause half of each kid's child support goes in a fund for 2 family vacations a year & the other half to their college funds & they would each have a good amount of college money by the time they reach 18. Why? Because these guys weren't paying something small like $100-200 per month in support. They were each paying over $500. When the wife was picking up these men she made sure to only pick up guys with good secure jobs. One was a lawyer, one was a military guy that was not just doing a minimal sign up but a career soldier that was already working his way up in rank. I forget the 3rd exactly but it was something secure like computer programmer or such where even if his current company had layoffs he'd likely get another job pretty quickly. When my uncle was telling me this coworker's story, he said that this couple when they started this scam already made enough to support themselves & 3 kids, & after kid #3 coworker had gotten a good raise. They didn't need a penny from any of the bio dads, but felt like if the guys were dumb enough to not use condoms that was their problem & so they deserved to have to pay child support. I felt like this couple was so conniving because yeah the guys were dumb to sleep with a woman (married or not) without protection, but also the wife did intentionally lie about bc because she intended to get pregnant.
ICU 👀
story #1 If OP's "dad" was emancipated, he was a legal adult. So being there and on the birth certificate wouldn't be illegal. Also, in some states, the legal age of consent is 17. I'm not saying it's not wrong, nor am I saying it's not gross, it's just not illegal.
Story #5 I wouldn't be surprised if the first kid WASN'T his so I'm in the NTA corner.
In France, paternity test aren't illegal, whoever told you that is wrong. It just can't be used in a court of law because it's not recognized as a proof. That will probably change someday, but not yet.
Also I know that Emily in Paris likes to make it look like France's national sport is infidelity, but it's actually not higher that other europe countries, it's actually lower than UK, for example. And probably lower than USA, but I can't be sure of the numbers I get for you from here.
OP NTA on this story.Lucy & daughters definitely are, though. The girls don't sound that young, they sound like they have their opinion on op too, so yeah... A*holes. And grand parents are borderline a*holes too.
Too many compliments for Riley haha. Riley seems like the homie. Little shy ☺️. I’m the same way though, not used to the compliments from the gal pals. So I react the same way.
NTA. Do the paternity test.
S1 is a true horror storyn OP1 is equally sick and horrible for keeping a relationship with a pedo!
Sam looks good in glasses 🤓❤
This artist did not respect consent. I don’t care if it’s art. Consent matters.
Good Gravy!!!
Last story OP would only be the asshole is she was asking for things that weren’t asked of her. She’s just being fair and also, the grandparents didn’t have too.
OP should sue the grandma who lied for the medical bills. Show her how real it is when you mess around.
So my significant other had his first child when he was 13 (he got her pregnant at 13) so it does happen
According to the story, James cheated with a coworker then divorced Lucy. 3 years later OP came into the picture
Why the FIRST, SECOND, THRID, and so on. I just don't get it. What's the point? Does it make ppl feel special or something? I'm not trying to be mean, I just don't get it.
❤it's OKOP❤
Eh thought it would be interesting
This might already be said later, not sure paused in the middle, but for the painting one, it is a weird idea and one that crosses that ethical line, BUT...no one thought the painting was inappropriate or obscene BEFORE they found out it was made...only after...showing that they actually dont really have a problem with the painting. For real, i mean as an artist myself, youd have to torture me hard core to get me to confess that kind of info lol. This lady has some screws loose, sure. But had she not told everyone, there would be no problem. And thats not saying she shouldnt have asked her husbands permission before using his...fluids lol. Thats saying she didnt even need to tell everyone else lol.
Story # 5. NOT THE a-hole... OP is just trying to prove a point. The ex mom said OP was a the woman he cheated with, but how does the family know that the ex mom didnt also cheat?
Last story of course not the a-hole, it would be different if situation was weird like she wouldn't be his wife etc, and sudenly come from nowere, but she was normal girlfriebd that he meet after divorse, ex wife made her in to this "bad character" and people didn't even show for theirs wedding bc ex talked shit about her to in laws and their own kids... And OP knows that situation with ex was not clear too, like she sudenly were pregned when they broke up, and if course it could be true, sure, but why now she is scared and dosen't want to do test... Like if tye relations were ok between family then maybe itvwoukd be different but hiw she was treated and ex come to funeral and started to talk shit like that, I would also made people jump all the hoops... And it us fair nobody never asked ex about test etc everyone trusted her and they were broken up, and OP was a wife and nobody trusted her. No way she is a ass here. They don't need to a test, and stay away there is also this option. So yeah... And the daughter is old enought that she knows what it could mean for her, he may lose grandparents and their money support too of course so she also didn't want to do it... Especially if the mother is like that, the fact that the daughter didn't give a chance to father new wife bc her mother talked shit it shows how she was bring up....
With DNA testing, it’s not as accurate as they say. There was an investigation done on a lot of the different DNA kits. Identical twins did the test and none of them said that they were related. They also said that the twins were from different parts of the work and so on. They did these various DNA kits multiple times with many different answers, but the twins were never said to be related. 🤷♀️
If dna tests couldn't tell that identical twins were related, how TF are they right most of the time?
@@queen-lilyorjiako268 it's probably apples and oranges. Properly done DNA tests have this accuracy. Self-administered test kits might not ...
There's art and then there's bullshit. Really fine line between disturbing and creative.
Story 5 NTA What's Lucy hiding? The kids idk, tough one but they are teens, maybe they deserve to know? 13 is young though. NTA still for forcing equal treatment. Doesn't sound like a good atmosphere for her baby to grow up in. A lot of animosity.
OMFG this was disgusting... I thought it was 12 years between them not because she was 23 an he was 12!
Disgusting 🤢 🤮
Fun fact the sky is actually not blue it's just the perception that we see.
99.99 for maternal 99.99 for paternal he did both so 99.999999
the art one:
OP is a complete garbage person,
at the end she tried to justify it instead of owning up to it and she sounds completely like one of these people who does wild
out of line sh** that bothers other people. "it's legal so others should suck it up, this is who I am, if they don't like what I do they aren't worth my time." mentality.
There was no reason to keep it from her partner, everytime people do stuff like this I never buy the "I want to surprise them" crap.
It feels more like they just want to push peoples buttons, see how far they can take it. This was about attention.
Btw using her partners fluids for art without permission, there should be a law or laws against this shit and if so the bf should sue the crap out of her. ( or at least if she refuses to take it down. btw the audacity. )
Story 5
NTAH and I bet them ain't his kids!!!!!
No one talking ab the first story is wild . Mom needs to be put in jail . Absolutely disgusting
5- OP is not the AH.
Just wanted to give a little fun fact: there’s a woman who has a business that uses breast milk and swimmers to make jewelry. So with that what you will my boys haha!! 😂
Story 1: I think the dad stayed to protect the kid from the mom.
They wanted her to test a baby…a BABY! So not the AH as that was unfair to put the baby through with no just cause of cheating. It was simply because they did not prefer her. So I get her view on this. 52:34
No sex in the champagne room
Story #5- NTA
My dad made me do a DNA test, turns out I'm 100% that b
Op is totally pulling an asshole move by demanding Lucy get her kid's DNA tested, AND I AM LIVING FOR IT! She's being petty, and I say good for her! I also don't think she is "The Asshole", nor is it and ESH situation. This is an action of justifiable assholery. She's no saint, but she gets a pass in my book.
Why are the DNA tests the problem??? The parents making bad decisions is the problem....
glasses gang
Riley is so cute
Not Carry again😐