I do believe Ryobi has shock absorber because of battery sitting inside handle and battery has no otherway to withstand constant recoil, but AEG and Milwaukee have slider batteries which can slightly move along rails.
Been framing for 43 years and use Makita and Ridgid tools. Makita is the tops but the Ridgid framing nailer is awesome. You have to add air daily to the ridgid which is simple but it will BURY 3-1/4" nails into LVL's which is no joke.
Just a little note on tennis/ golfer elbow. Inside our outside elbow pain. the only thing that fixes it is strengthening those tendons. So lots of moderate exercises for it. the worst thing to do is rest it. it will just flair up again. gotta strengthen the tendons that are weak and therefore painful. plenty of good RUclips content on it. easy exercises too do with long medium weight hammers to! To keep it tool related.
I work with another framer who has Milwaukee and the apprentice bought the hikoki. Both argue about who’s the better battery nail gun. But when ever they have to frame in tight angle like creeper rafters or hip they always ask to borrow my paslode. The other issue I notice with the Milwaukee is that when firing on an angle there is point when the head doesn’t allow you to push head deeper meaning the gun won’t fire can be very annoying especially if your on ladder holding beam at the same time.
Makita have to get one out soon hey. I've heard they have been all but ready to launch in the past, but the timing coincided with the release of another brand, and they pulled out and went back to the drawing board. Pretty reputable source.... But can never take anything as complete gospel.
I am beginning to see her pattern with makita's lunches. They seem to be concentrating on one tool at a time. For example, once I think about the last two tools the released the six and a half inch circular saw and then the Jigsaw. The circular cell got released and then it was in New Zealand and Australia then UK and Europe and then the USA. By the time we get round to having everywhere stocked up they released another one. They are properly prioritising the markets where they help the most sales. And maybe they are releasing the tools they think will sell the best first. But they do you think very consistent.
Makita fully designed a flywheel design framing nailer and then went back to the drawing board and have been designing a gas cylinder style framer over the past few years. They have tried spring systems with all their nailers currently, but I think they are getting the tech down for nailers to know the best tech and what to do so they can redesign all their nailers
Unfortunately it's pretty consistent that people testing Dewalt framing nailers against the competetition find that the Dewalt is underpowered. I don't do framing, but if I ever need a framing nailer, I would probably buy the Metabo/Hitachi/ Hikoki or whatever it's called, even though I have lots of Dewalt batteries.
Milwaukee or metabo hpt/hikoki are definitely good tools but if I actually did mostly framing I would be running max Air high pressure system off a compresor and paslode for cordless these battery powered framing guns are heavy AF to be using all the time
I primarily use Makita battery, power, tools and pneumatic powered nail guns, but when you go out in need to do a punch work or something that’s quick where you don’t wanna run a cord a compressor and a hose. When I do small work or something where I just need to run to the other side of the building in mail up a few things for a person are use the electric nail guns and my personal choice is the Metabo hpt/ Hikoki nailers
@@chrisvaiuso6010 absolutely, there is no reason to run battery guns over air guns (at this point in time), way too heavy and don't shoot nearly as fast
Back when I was framing I would prefer a pneumatic for light weight. We would be climbing through rafters all day in heat, or cold working as effectively as possible. Otherwise framers know how to use a hammer. Battery power is great for small jobs, or at home. You don't have to roll out all the equipment.
I have batteries for all those brands and 1 nailer from each…lol! I have the Ridgid framing, Milwaukee finish, and Ryobi brad. They are all great nailers but your spot on, on the quality! Great video my friend!
I'm not surprised at all that the Ryobi or AEG didn't win in the performance testing. Maybe some of the 'ergonomic' stuff they did, but that's like a lot of things where stuff that turns out to be minor acts like a distraction to sell vs actual performance. The only thing that was not touched on was the price of a skin. Yes to be fair, if you are on an existing battery platform it is cheaper and more convenient to buy a skin for said batteries then having to drag around a different charger and such. Gas nail guns any time soon? For concrete fixings
sucks for Milwaukee owners cuz to refill the air cylinder u gotta send it back to Milwaukee. The ryobi one u can refill ur selves in 1min with your air compressor . Just 1 screw . While the Milwaukee has to disassemble completely....
I got a hikoki as Paslode backup in the van, nice not to have to have any gas and being able to use cheap NZ Nails, but man you pay for it with ergonomics fatigue.
would it be worth investing in more than one battery platform? I need a framing nailer and a palm nailer, and currently milwaukee has both cordless framing nailer and cordless palm nailer, but I already have a rigid cordless driver with two batteries.... crap just saw that the milwaukee cordless palm nailer is the "M12" system and the framing nailer is "M18".... so that would be THREE battery systems SMH
@@harlanborders943We have the Milwaukee at work. Its functioned flawlessly for at least half a year and i see no reason why it wouldnt keep going. Good tool.
Any chance youd be able to compare the 18v vs 36 v metabo/hikoki nailers? i've been running the 18 for years and have been happy, but wonder how the 18 compares, especially on long nailing runs like sheathing or something. Thats the only place the 18 has fallen a little flat for me.
Does your Ryobi fire nails when held upside down? As in when putting together a wall frame on the ground? Mine fires maybe 1-2 nails then red light flashes….
The Milwaukee looked slower than the other two, although it drove the nails in further. Surprised how fast the nails were going in, considering it was single mode, plenty fast enough.
I've got the milwaukee and I can confirm it's not slow on bump fire mode. It's plenty fast enough and I'd say faster than the paslode. I'm also a makita user for most of my main kit.
Thanks for bringing Milwaukee's bumpfire mode being available to our attention and that tool republic are selling them. You're incorrect, and bumpfire mode is not compliant with current standards.
Well other companies are also bringing in bumpfire models now too. Can you please show me a regulation that says you can't use them, other than a university recommendation.
Don’t be fooled by this video, Milwaukee stuff is not a long lasting tool. Sick of them breaking down and having to replace. They do replace them under warranty, but not the point. Having nails go deeper than required is not important. Been in this industry a long time. It’s longevity not short term performance. Don’t waste ya money 👍
If you watch some tool repairers on RUclips, they describe later Milwaukee tools as 'designer tools' DIY tools dressed as pro tools. The parts inside are rubbish. You are lucky they are failing within the warranty. They cost too much to repair outside of warranty.
I'm not a milwaukee hater by any means. They produce powerful tools.however, as a residential electrician, my boss has been through 3 m18 fuel drills in 2 years, and I am still on my first 40v. We do equal amounts of work, same augur bits, same hole saws
I was really impressed with my first 21° Milwaukee nail gun 3 years ago. I I'm mostly a painter and don't use it like a framing person would do. I don't think it's had over 10,000 Nails go through it, and it started misfiring. Then I go to RUclips to the hack and realize it is probably about the same cost to just go buy a new one. Salesman at Home Depot was all about the Milwaukee and I explained my situation and said I wasn't very happy with Milwaukee so I bought a ryobi. I asked him how many nails I should expect to fire through that gun before it failed and all he could talk about was the battery life. I had to explain to him and this was nothing about the battery. And when he understood the question he could not answer it. The Ryobi wasn't any less expensive. But I will definitely take it back in a year and get a new one .
TTI is a Hong Kong based company that has a licensing agreement to produce hand-held tools under the Ridgid brand for Emerson (which owns the brand). In addition to AEG, TTI owns Milwaukee, Ryobi, Homelite, Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Vax (vacuum cleaners).
The answer is clear. For chippies.... a pneumatic gun, air hose and compressor is by far the most long term cost efficient and productive setup. When you shoot boxes of nails daily..... it's the only way to go. These things just aren't durable medium to long term for large volume work.
@rossmacpherson986 the nail guns can bleed off pressure over tine reducing performance. The milwaukee has to be sent in to be recharged. Both the ryobi and ridgid have access and can be recharged with air by the users. No need to be sent in to be repaired.
If I turned up with Ryobi, my workmates would just laugh me off site. In saying that, I bought a dropped and skill saw years ago, and they were both rubbish.
lol I was a commercial builder and id bought a Ryobi battery driver for Giib installs on multi story jobs, i think one lasted me 3 years and was all good for a quarter of the price of the fancy brands at that time - The boys stopped laughing when a few of theirs broke and my piece of shit kept chugging along.
@@nakedapprentice The newer stuff is getting better. Brushless and all that. Better quality, decent power etc.. But the main problem is that in NZ/Aus they don't warranty any commercial use, so you're better off with something else. AEG have trade warranties. Ryobi is for weekend warriors not pros.
I hate my Ryobi framing nailer. It's a pile of 💩. Constantly not firing. The on off button is on the handle right below the trigger. I never know if it's on or off, and it will blink red at random times. Today was my final straw with it. It's bulky, heavy as fck, miss fires CONSTANTLY, and the rafter hanger is always in the way and not adjustable. I am very irritated with my ryobi gun because it's so expensive. I recommend not wasting your money on the Ryobi. It's also loud as hell. The worst construction tool Ryobi has made, in my opinion. The stapler is almost as bad. I'm switching brands... again.
I was appreciating the reviews until you had to throw the F word in there. Please don’t use foul language in your videos. It’s not necessary. Thank you for what I learned prior to that though. I just won’t rate the video.
Interesting to hear you've got tennis elbow. My tennis elbow is a contributing factor to me not get a Milwaukee framer...yet. That and I want to see if Makitas is any good...when it comes out.
I have to use Ryobi because everybody at the company has Milwaukee. They still batteries each other. But with Ryobi no body look at my tools
I do believe Ryobi has shock absorber because of battery sitting inside handle and battery has no otherway to withstand constant recoil, but AEG and Milwaukee have slider batteries which can slightly move along rails.
Been framing for 43 years and use Makita and Ridgid tools. Makita is the tops but the Ridgid framing nailer is awesome. You have to add air daily to the ridgid which is simple but it will BURY 3-1/4" nails into LVL's which is no joke.
Just a little note on tennis/ golfer elbow. Inside our outside elbow pain. the only thing that fixes it is strengthening those tendons. So lots of moderate exercises for it. the worst thing to do is rest it. it will just flair up again. gotta strengthen the tendons that are weak and therefore painful. plenty of good RUclips content on it. easy exercises too do with long medium weight hammers to! To keep it tool related.
I work with another framer who has Milwaukee and the apprentice bought the hikoki. Both argue about who’s the better battery nail gun. But when ever they have to frame in tight angle like creeper rafters or hip they always ask to borrow my paslode. The other issue I notice with the Milwaukee is that when firing on an angle there is point when the head doesn’t allow you to push head deeper meaning the gun won’t fire can be very annoying especially if your on ladder holding beam at the same time.
Makita have to get one out soon hey. I've heard they have been all but ready to launch in the past, but the timing coincided with the release of another brand, and they pulled out and went back to the drawing board. Pretty reputable source.... But can never take anything as complete gospel.
I am beginning to see her pattern with makita's lunches. They seem to be concentrating on one tool at a time. For example, once I think about the last two tools the released the six and a half inch circular saw and then the Jigsaw. The circular cell got released and then it was in New Zealand and Australia then UK and Europe and then the USA. By the time we get round to having everywhere stocked up they released another one. They are properly prioritising the markets where they help the most sales. And maybe they are releasing the tools they think will sell the best first. But they do you think very consistent.
Makita fully designed a flywheel design framing nailer and then went back to the drawing board and have been designing a gas cylinder style framer over the past few years. They have tried spring systems with all their nailers currently, but I think they are getting the tech down for nailers to know the best tech and what to do so they can redesign all their nailers
Unfortunately it's pretty consistent that people testing Dewalt framing nailers against the competetition find that the Dewalt is underpowered. I don't do framing, but if I ever need a framing nailer, I would probably buy the Metabo/Hitachi/ Hikoki or whatever it's called, even though I have lots of Dewalt batteries.
Milwaukee or metabo hpt/hikoki are definitely good tools but if I actually did mostly framing I would be running max Air high pressure system off a compresor and paslode for cordless these battery powered framing guns are heavy AF to be using all the time
I primarily use Makita battery, power, tools and pneumatic powered nail guns, but when you go out in need to do a punch work or something that’s quick where you don’t wanna run a cord a compressor and a hose. When I do small work or something where I just need to run to the other side of the building in mail up a few things for a person are use the electric nail guns and my personal choice is the Metabo hpt/ Hikoki nailers
@@KuzConstrution So for larger framing jobs you still prefer pneumatic nail guns to the battery Metabo?
@@chrisvaiuso6010 absolutely, there is no reason to run battery guns over air guns (at this point in time), way too heavy and don't shoot nearly as fast
Back when I was framing I would prefer a pneumatic for light weight. We would be climbing through rafters all day in heat, or cold working as effectively as possible. Otherwise framers know how to use a hammer.
Battery power is great for small jobs, or at home. You don't have to roll out all the equipment.
I have batteries for all those brands and 1 nailer from each…lol! I have the Ridgid framing, Milwaukee finish, and Ryobi brad. They are all great nailers but your spot on, on the quality! Great video my friend!
I'm not surprised at all that the Ryobi or AEG didn't win in the performance testing. Maybe some of the 'ergonomic' stuff they did, but that's like a lot of things where stuff that turns out to be minor acts like a distraction to sell vs actual performance.
The only thing that was not touched on was the price of a skin. Yes to be fair, if you are on an existing battery platform it is cheaper and more convenient to buy a skin for said batteries then having to drag around a different charger and such.
Gas nail guns any time soon? For concrete fixings
Come on Makita show them how it's done
What about the green one
that simpson strong tie is a code violation LOL
Haven’t watched yet. How did the Makita do?
It's so good it didn't bother turning up
😂😂
Just as good as the other ones but the best thing about the Makita is you don’t have to take it back after 4 months.
They don't make one. Too bad. I have that battery (and love makita).
Milwaukee, Ryobi and AEG are TTI subsidiaries and belong to the Techtronic Industries group of companies based in Hong Kong. So from the same company!
Yeah, most of us know that, and I probably mentioned in the video.
That Ryob(Eh)! Is the sexiest air nailer.
Loved the tune at the end :D
sucks for Milwaukee owners cuz to refill the air cylinder u gotta send it back to Milwaukee. The ryobi one u can refill ur selves in 1min with your air compressor .
Just 1 screw . While the Milwaukee has to disassemble completely....
I got a hikoki as Paslode backup in the van, nice not to have to have any gas and being able to use cheap NZ Nails, but man you pay for it with ergonomics fatigue.
what types of nails? clipped head? offset head? full head?
I have use Milwaukee different tools every day use never had a problem
How come no one talks about a Makita nailgun?🙃😶
Reasons
Because that is not TTI
Makita doesn't offer a cordless Framing nailer, yet.
He mentioned the teal company at 21:00
My point EXACTLY! Why dont they have one yet?
Make sure you are still watching at 23:15 Very important!
would it be worth investing in more than one battery platform? I need a framing nailer and a palm nailer, and currently milwaukee has both cordless framing nailer and cordless palm nailer, but I already have a rigid cordless driver with two batteries.... crap just saw that the milwaukee cordless palm nailer is the "M12" system and the framing nailer is "M18".... so that would be THREE battery systems SMH
Ryobi and Rigid are both designed in South Carolina while Milwaukee is designed in Wisconsin.
Thats where their HQs are and all manufacturing is done in China at one large factory 🙂
Milwaukee has been accused of using slave labor in China.
How do they hold up after a year or so on the job. Especially the Milwaukee
@@harlanborders943We have the Milwaukee at work. Its functioned flawlessly for at least half a year and i see no reason why it wouldnt keep going. Good tool.
The Ridgid and Ryobi are cloned Senco F35xp
I feel so dumb, i bought an orange ryobi. should've spent the extra cash on the milwaukee
Oh really? New gen of Milwaukee framing nailer.. do you have more information? 🙂
Any chance youd be able to compare the 18v vs 36 v metabo/hikoki nailers? i've been running the 18 for years and have been happy, but wonder how the 18 compares, especially on long nailing runs like sheathing or something. Thats the only place the 18 has fallen a little flat for me.
Been framing for over 3 years and first time I see somebody shooting nails thru the joist hanger like that 😂 is that even code approved?
Bogan code.
Does your Ryobi fire nails when held upside down? As in when putting together a wall frame on the ground? Mine fires maybe 1-2 nails then red light flashes….
Yes I have a similar issue.
The Milwaukee looked slower than the other two, although it drove the nails in further. Surprised how fast the nails were going in, considering it was single mode, plenty fast enough.
To be fair, if it's compressing more air or a bigger spring it's gonna take a little longer
milwaukee uses nitrogen, rigid/ryobi use air@@justincomisk
ive got the nailer, it fires as fast as you can shoot it. they advertise it as being 3 nails a second. Can't comment on the other two.
I've got the milwaukee and I can confirm it's not slow on bump fire mode. It's plenty fast enough and I'd say faster than the paslode. I'm also a makita user for most of my main kit.
Anyone got any update on makita bring on out? I've seen the latest patant but thats it
Thanks for bringing Milwaukee's bumpfire mode being available to our attention and that tool republic are selling them. You're incorrect, and bumpfire mode is not compliant with current standards.
Well other companies are also bringing in bumpfire models now too. Can you please show me a regulation that says you can't use them, other than a university recommendation.
Don’t be fooled by this video, Milwaukee stuff is not a long lasting tool. Sick of them breaking down and having to replace. They do replace them under warranty, but not the point. Having nails go deeper than required is not important. Been in this industry a long time. It’s longevity not short term performance. Don’t waste ya money 👍
You are not wrong. If you actually use your stuff everyday. They will all last you just over a year and you'll need a new one no matter the brand
If you watch some tool repairers on RUclips, they describe later Milwaukee tools as 'designer tools' DIY tools dressed as pro tools. The parts inside are rubbish. You are lucky they are failing within the warranty. They cost too much to repair outside of warranty.
I'm not a milwaukee hater by any means. They produce powerful tools.however, as a residential electrician, my boss has been through 3 m18 fuel drills in 2 years, and I am still on my first 40v. We do equal amounts of work, same augur bits, same hole saws
I bought a milwaukee two days ago...
I was really impressed with my first 21° Milwaukee nail gun 3 years ago. I I'm mostly a painter and don't use it like a framing person would do. I don't think it's had over 10,000 Nails go through it, and it started misfiring. Then I go to RUclips to the hack and realize it is probably about the same cost to just go buy a new one. Salesman at Home Depot was all about the Milwaukee and I explained my situation and said I wasn't very happy with Milwaukee so I bought a ryobi. I asked him how many nails I should expect to fire through that gun before it failed and all he could talk about was the battery life. I had to explain to him and this was nothing about the battery. And when he understood the question he could not answer it. The Ryobi wasn't any less expensive. But I will definitely take it back in a year and get a new one .
The problem is that Milwaukee is a great tool but a lot of them are breaking after a couple months.
Ryobi for life!
Value👍
Nah
Once you have all the batteries you're committed.
They seem to have a wider tool selection.
@@qua7771 There is a battery adapter where you can use Milwaukee batteries on a Ryobi.
@@joparks2509 That's good to hear if I ever run into that situation. I have a lot of Ryobi batteries.
TTI is a Hong Kong based company that has a licensing agreement to produce hand-held tools under the Ridgid brand for Emerson (which owns the brand). In addition to AEG, TTI owns Milwaukee, Ryobi, Homelite, Hoover, Dirt Devil, and Vax (vacuum cleaners).
Can you compare the aeg riveter vs the milwaukee m12 riveter from a random popping video
Video soon
I remembered to tap the fuckin like button.
Where's the metal hpt one on this?? Or this just tti products?
The hpt was too much of a lite weight to compare to these beasts
@@simeonprice390 light weight? They are about the same in power maybe Milwaukee is faster but by no means lightweight
Out of curiosity haven’t you ever tried out the Makita Gas framing gun?
From what I’ve heard it’s a lot worse than the paslodes
@@TBird89their batteries are not bad, what are you talking about lol
@@TBird89 bs, they are the most reliable and easiest to repair
@@TBird89 tools
@@TBird89 then don't write nonsense...
How come you didn't have the senco nailer
For one really obvious reason, this is a TTI nailer video as is clearly stated.
The answer is clear. For chippies.... a pneumatic gun, air hose and compressor is by far the most long term cost efficient and productive setup. When you shoot boxes of nails daily..... it's the only way to go. These things just aren't durable medium to long term for large volume work.
Professionals want Milwaukee to deliver the shitty job they often do.
I might trade my Hitachi’s in for Ryob E G just for the common sense lockout.
Ryobi is the best nailer for cordless or Ridgid because maintenance is easy
what maintenance is required? milwaukee advertise zero maintenance for their gun
@rossmacpherson986 the nail guns can bleed off pressure over tine reducing performance. The milwaukee has to be sent in to be recharged. Both the ryobi and ridgid have access and can be recharged with air by the users. No need to be sent in to be repaired.
People hate on Ryobi too much
Every ryobi tool I used broke before the end of the month
If I turned up with Ryobi, my workmates would just laugh me off site.
In saying that, I bought a dropped and skill saw years ago, and they were both rubbish.
@@jackbryan2947 Wow, have to wonder how they are still in business if their tools only last a month...
lol I was a commercial builder and id bought a Ryobi battery driver for Giib installs on multi story jobs, i think one lasted me 3 years and was all good for a quarter of the price of the fancy brands at that time - The boys stopped laughing when a few of theirs broke and my piece of shit kept chugging along.
@@nakedapprentice The newer stuff is getting better. Brushless and all that. Better quality, decent power etc.. But the main problem is that in NZ/Aus they don't warranty any commercial use, so you're better off with something else. AEG have trade warranties. Ryobi is for weekend warriors not pros.
Don't forget to mention that you can almost buy 2 ryobi's fjr the price of 1 milwaukee
Well you can't here. And I mentioned pricing.
I hate my Ryobi framing nailer. It's a pile of 💩. Constantly not firing. The on off button is on the handle right below the trigger. I never know if it's on or off, and it will blink red at random times. Today was my final straw with it. It's bulky, heavy as fck, miss fires CONSTANTLY, and the rafter hanger is always in the way and not adjustable. I am very irritated with my ryobi gun because it's so expensive. I recommend not wasting your money on the Ryobi. It's also loud as hell. The worst construction tool Ryobi has made, in my opinion. The stapler is almost as bad. I'm switching brands... again.
Hart is also made by TTI. It would have been cool to include them as well.
2 problems there. 1, Hart is only available in the US. 2, they don't make a framing nailer.
My apologies. I knew that they made a brad nailer. I thought that they also made a framing nailer. I appreciate the videos!
i like milwaukee.
I was appreciating the reviews until you had to throw the F word in there. Please don’t use foul language in your videos. It’s not necessary. Thank you for what I learned prior to that though. I just won’t rate the video.
Makita is releasing a gun that uses updated nails that require Japanese zen and will be marketed as jailes the j been pronounced as a n in English.
When?
Interesting to hear you've got tennis elbow. My tennis elbow is a contributing factor to me not get a Milwaukee framer...yet. That and I want to see if Makitas is any good...when it comes out.
Good luck to you waiting for the makita!
Ryobi,Ridgid, AEG= Senco