I have the Dewalt and love it. Built a 12x16 shed 100% solo and didn't have any issue with jammed nails despite going thru nearly 1500 nails. Great battery life as well, only went thru about 1 5ah battery for the entire project.
I've had the hikoki one since it seems out. Still going strong. I've worked with teams and when paslodes fail they all end up borrowing my gun. It only failed once in 3 1/2 years. They sent it back fixed been good ever since. Its heavy but powerful and reliable.
The Dewalt, consistantly sinks nails near 100% over a year of regular use, after the run in period. During run in period had a few false fires and two jams, since then no issues. Fast
Production framer here. We switched to milwaukee from paslode air nailers. We have run into problems with them in the summer heat. They stop shooting all together and we are left wishing we still had a compressor to hook up. Also sheeting goes slower. I don't think it's because it shoots much slower but the weight of it slows you down. Wall framing? Very similar speed to air nailer and no hose.
Good input, I was thinking about going all cordless on all my tools But even the best cordless nailers in the market right now can’t keep up with old pneumatic nailers. A combo air/cordless will be okay
My Milwaukee framers were great… for the first 12 months, now I’m returning them every couple months. I picked one up yesterday from repairs and it lasted an hour. I’m currently have 3 framers, 3 15ga and 1x 18ga. 1 of each is in for repair at all times
I'm in ireland, bought a hikoki in February , my rafter hook is 4", it's on the right hand side of the tool and will swing right around to the other side, it does have the bump fire mode but I dont use it, the power button is in a weird position but the tool will stay on for adleast a half hour without touching it so ,and that's rare to not need it for so long
I had the DeWalt 21* Framing Nailer for about a year, and just wasn’t happy with the ‘Fisher-Price’ kinda sounds of its flywheel whirring, and so, I sold it and got into the Metabo HPT (formerly Hitachi and Hikoki(?)) Framing Nailers (and specialty 36V Nailers, too) and love them all! I have every model except for the 16ga, as the 15ga and 18ga Nailers can handle whatever the 16ga was meant for, IMHO! Thanks for posting another great comp video, brother!
I have the hikoki framing nailer. I find it a good nailer with sufficient power with standards North American framing lumber. But one huge pet peeve that probably every nailer should have - an audible warning for an empty clip. Why? Trying to shoot without the recoil is hard on the wrist. A simple sound/beep to let you know your out would avoid unnecessary wrist pain.
Metabo i bought will put over 1k nails per charge on larger battery. The small battery it came with about 400. But for sure is a great buy. We have built several decks with it and did not need to have a standard nailer for our jobs. One metabo 2 batteries i can build about anything!! I was very impressed with it!! And yes it will drive 3in nails in pressure treated lumber.! First charge out the box we drove over 1k nails on a single charge! Only set back for me was that it does not like to shoot on an angle very well. And if your paper nailing if paper is damaged at all mine won't fire.
The hikoki is a great nail gun. Bought one because I was sick and tired of my paslode only ever driving nails 3/4 of the way. The Hikoki nails home 99% of the time (even in LVL where the paslode is a waste of time). I also use the small 3ah battery to save weight and the large rafter hook which can hook over 90mm plates.
Have you serviced the paslode? It loses power over time as it gets dirtier and doesen't seal as well anymore. I haven't used the hikoki but that dewalt was just pain in the ass to deal with compared to paslode im90. I have shot around 10k 90mm nails with paslode and around 4k with dewalt
@@MrAggezzz It’s just the Paslode, unfortunately. They’re horrrrrible on LVL’s, goes 3/4 and then you need to hammer them in manually. The Hikoki blasts them in! The hook as atrocious though. I don’t know who decided that design was the best. It’s far too large and I guess that’s not too bad, bro it’s spring mechanism is trash. It’s like a swivel, and doesn’t lock out.
@@MrAggezzz I have the dewalt at the moment as my ex partner decided to get it as the dickhead behind the counter at the tool centre told him what an amazing gun it was like he used one every day. As soon as I have some more money together im going to send him a film of me launching it of the scaffold. Diyer gun
We put a couple thousand nails a day through a DeWalt. It works great 99% of the time and has great battery life. The only problem I have with it is if you hit a nail or bad knot occasionally a nail will get stuck in the end.
I love my Milwaukee framer. So ridiculously powerful and always consistent. Doing a reno recently using oak framing through the entire house and not once did i have to tap in the heads something we had to do a lot with our old porter cable air. Bump fire it just never runs out of breath. It's very impressive. I use it with a cp 3.0 to minimize the weight without sacrificing the performance. Thing is still a pig tho.
@@MrTHEBRITINWA same here 5'4" manlet. But I would probably trade it for another milwaukee if this one dies out of warranty and there is a newer one that is lighter but offers the same consistent performance.
I know from shooting the Milwaukee I started with charged 5AH battery and started nailing in bump mode. 14 minutes in and I had it stopping from overheating of both battery and tool. Just a fact here I shot 300 nails in that time frame. Gonna be putting my own Dewalt against it tomorrow. I am firing 3 inch nails into hardwood, mainly oak, 2x4 and 3x4s. What needs improved is heat dissipation on the Milwaukee. Shooting blasts of compressed air into the vents seems to cool it.
Thanks heaps. Enjoyed your video. I have the DeWalt combo (both the framing and finishing nailers). I use the finishing nailer all the time doing insurance work. The framing nailer not so much. Being in Australia, I do have bump function on both tools, which I think helps because of how light the framer is. You can cut down on recoil by bump firing. It does make an annoying sound but compared with my work buddy’s Paslode, it is much quieter which is great in insurance work because the client is usually at home while we’re working. Other than that, I think your comparison was pretty fair.
I got the dewalt gen 3 great gun, the spring takes minute to change if breaks good being able to change on-site, better if you have the bump fire on these guns
+1 extra point to milwaukee for having an extended magazine. I've owned both the hikoki and milwaukee. The hikoki was sent back for repairs several times for example shooting two nails at a time. Also -1 point for hikokis terrible customer service. Brought the milwaukee have shot 13000 nails and could count on one hand how many times it's jammed or left a nail proud. Very impressed. Coming from a makita user.
I'm looking into milwaukee can you tell me best of 23. 24 please don't like hoses I'm old almost 70 years old I've learned enough, so rather keep it around 500$ unless a 800$ is better its not for me so much it's for my son it's longevity thing please and thank you
I had the bostitch 20v (basically a first gen dewalt, just bought a new dewalt) and my boss has the Milwaukee. The mil definitely has more power. It can drive a nail deeper. The fan noise is something I got used to and actually prefer. With the mil when you run out of nails or have a jam or something you won’t know until you put the nailer up and pull the trigger a couple times. With my bostitch and dewalt when something Like that happens it won’t make the noise and you know before you even try to do something. (I’m in US and use bump fire so you might not get to experience that)Also know kind of a “hey I’m live and am about to shoot a nail”. Don’t get that warning with the mil. With that being said I prefer mine for framing up walls and just simple stuff. But when it comes to putting nails in harder woods it’s nice having the Milwaukee around. Great review man!
I moved over to cordless nailers early on. I got both the dewalt 21degree and 30 degree nailers as well as the 16ga angles and 18ga. They’re all more or less garbage in my opinion. The 21 degree framer is dog shit, doesn’t drive nails and jams all the time. The 30 is much better but there are still more jams than what’s acceptable, I still use it when I only need a few nails, but hand banging 16 pennies are almost more efficient at this point… all guns got feeding issues. I’ve moved back to air lately, gotten myself more compact high pressure air compressors and I feel like a fool for wasting time and money on all these cordless nailers… they don’t hold up… air tools are cheaper, preform better an will last a lot longer if you oil them every time you use them.
I’m a makita fan boy... but I couldn’t wait so I bought the hikoki. Not in the building trade so it’s for my weeks projects and I love it Also have the 16g brad nailer also
I had Paslode nailers ( framing and finish) for years, so happy to have Hikoki guns that use no gas and just a battery, on top of that they are much quieter to use that the Paslode
I have all of them plus matabo.. matabo is the best by FAR! My 2 dewalts absolutely suck they jam like crazy. Milwaukee doesn’t jam but extremely heavy and quits working when working in the rain also shoots way slower then matabo. My two matabo are about 3 years old used and abused by framing crew both still going strong
Their new release xgt 40v brad cannot even sink on hardwood despite its only 40mm length capaticy. Milwaukee is 54mm and sinks into hardwood fast with no problem
I've used both dewalt and hikoki and I prefer the dewalt simply because of the fact the hikoki turns off so quickly! Nothing more annoying that getting something in place above your head and then having to take it back down to turn the hikoki on!
decision made milwaukee it is, loved my paslode but the nails plus gas for the im360 are to expensive and my local builders merchants dont stock them, thanks for the help choosing between the hikoki and milwaukee
The dewalt recoil in the review was quite exadurated because the dewalt is much lighter. and.... in bump mode does it even less. I am not a PRO, I own it, love it and would buy it again.
I’ve used all 3 and own the Milwaukee because I’m on that platform, the Milwaukee is awesome! Yes it’s heavy but you get used to it quickly. I could happily use the hikoki but the dewalt just doesn’t hold up. I had a paslode for years before moving over and will never go back, no gas, no constant servicing and no bang.
You can by 6Ah third party batteries for Hikoki (at least in the UK), but whether they really are 6Ah, or last as long, might be another matter. As I personally already have a raft of Hikoki tools and batteries, then the decision for me is essentially already made, but I'm interested to see the results of the tests.
Man, I wish you could have done the bump tests, I’ve used all 3, the Milwaukee bump fire is absolute lightning, I shoot flooring with it it’s that quick, glad I settled on it and bought it, has been absolutely bulletproof, our hikoki has already had to go back for servicing with issues,
Since there's no Makita option, I wonder if the Milwaukee would work with a Makita to Milwaukee battery adapter? You don't happen to have one of those laying around for a quick test, do you?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL where abouts did you pick up the adapter for the makita batteries bud? Literally just picked up a Milwaukee framer and already have 10 makita batteries
I have used all major players when it comes to framing guns , and quite honestly i love the hikoki and the milwaukee , but I keep going back to the paslode, I am not a huge guy and just overly prefer how light weight the paslode is compared to its gasless counter parts i just wish that milwaukee and hikoki manage to shed some of the weight off their guns on their gen 2 models, they have the better power but at a sacrifice to weight, which isnt a big deal but paslode always takes the cake when it comes to comfort of use for me
Mines a slightly different model. The tips they made razor sharp sonit grips good. And they include a plastic cover to both protect you and the material your shooting if required. I brushed it woth my arm with the cover off and opened me up pretty good. Like a horribly deep cat scratch. So always store with the plastic cap cover.
I have had two of the dewalts and returned both of them. I typically tend to frame something in then switch to ring shank to sheet and the dewalt will not sink any type if ring shank. I have also had the same thing happen when trying to shoot regular framing nails into different materials. Like shooting osb into a laminated beam. Just not versitile and powerful enough for me.
Considering all the other big brands have a battery nailer out, I’m hoping that Makita will bring one out within the next year or two. They wouldn’t want to miss the market for too long.
Man, I ve been hoping for a while. Im all Makita, but they need a table saw and a series of good trim and framing nailers… I’m actually trying to figure out what second battery platform to add for just those items…. I like the weight of the dewalt nailer, but it looks like Milwaukee might be better rounded
@@gregruopp4437 I have the milwaukee and the metabo and have used the dewalt. The metabo is absolutely the best one by a good disparity in my opinion. it’s a lot lighter and it’s a lot faster (i switched the spring in it to make it more sensitive) The only advantage of the milwaukee is that they offer the extended magazine
I’m with both of y’all I have all Makita tools and I wish Makita would come out with a gun or and I’m stock because I want to get to Milwaukee but then I wish Makita would come out with a gun
@@colekidd2 these are all junk. The dewalt is the worst. Then the metabo. Milwaukee is the best of the 3 but so far i like the Rigid. That may change all depending on how long it lasts. Now people may disagree with me but i do nothing but install metal roofs and i use these to install the 1x4s and i have never had 1 last more then 60 days. Less in the summer months. The Milwaukee will cool off and continue to work. The metabo then goes to the scrap heap. The last 1 I had Metabo would not even repair or replace. Saying they can't get parts anymore. I bought them from Lowes and paid for the extended warranty. Very disappointing. Rigid is pretty new. I will see how it holds up
@@allenbyler8210 I wouldn’t call any of them junk. for any pickup framing they’re way better than rolling out a compressor and in my opinion the weight is an even sacrifice for not having a cord running behind you everywhere especially when it’s just small work.
It is but av been using it everyday for the past 8 months on site everyday and it’s just started to missfire so would say pretty good going blasting 90mm nails all day
I’ve been super impressed with what I’ve seen from the Hikoki brand - don’t know much about them, but seem solid. Is there a way to use a Makita adaptor on any of these, until Makita gets off their arse and releases one? I’m loathed to take on a second battery platform for 1 or 2 tools.
G'day mate, watched this a few weeks back and it helped me make my decision, which was the hikoki go figure! Seemed a bit more accessible price wise to start on a new battery platform than the milwaukee and I didn't want to wait any longer for Makita to get their act together. One thing you may find interesting though is that I managed to pick it up for $600 NZD through the mitre10 trade hub, with 2 batteries and charger. Absolutely bonkers! They've got a knockdown price on the main website down to 850ish and it must've upset something in the trade site which has made it glitch down to an incredibly low price! Just checked and it's still 520.87 plus GST, mental! Either it's a glitch or they want rid of them fast, but either way I jumped on it!
what about deck framing? the video reviews Don't seem to address that. framing material looks beat up using these nailer. words I ld be using 21 degree stainless 3.25. thank you
Great review, does the same milwaukee battery do for all milwaukee nail guns? I believe that the milwaukee can take a longer magazine so you can load two full clips at once, but you have to buy the longer clip making the gun even haveier. Not saying that's a bad thing
I'm super happy with my Hitachi. Ginormous hook and all. I have the 21° style for the full headed nails. Holds less nails. It also has a obscenely large hook. On/off buttons a pain. Comically oversized hook. Battery gauge, poo. And, AND, an overwhelming hook for the purpose of hanging the tool from the top of an entire house. I've never had a problem with this gun, or any of the other three Hitachi cordless nailers I own. Large hook.
Milwaukee makes an extended nail clip allowing 2 full clips. I'm looking to purchase battery operated nail guns for our pallet operations. i use pneumatic coil guns for attaching boards on the pallets but have a need for a battery operated gun to do small quick repairs or loose board reattachments. We use coil nails 1 3/4 x .080 to .090. I could certainly purchase sticks of nails and use a different size for this purpose only. What is the smallest nail this will take? Do they make a battery operated coil gun that will shoot non roofing nails? Something closer to 1 3/4 x .080?
@Tools & Stuff. Best framing nailer comparison I've seen so far. Learned some things I didn't see or mentioned in any of the other tests for the same cordless framing nailers, Thanks. We'll see when Makita makes it to the cordless framing nailer game. Do you know why New Zealand doesn't allow nail guns sold there to have bump fire mode? Is it a safety issue? Make sure that the nails get placed in the studs where they're supposed to go? Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Using the hikoki and having one gun shoot around 2000 nails a week, they do wear out very quick and it does require servicing, weight and delay to fire is also annoying. If it was more cost effective I would choose a paslode without a doubt. But I’m really leaning towards getting myself a Milwaukee gun. The rafter clip and the tool belt clamp seem a lot better than the hikoki, I think I could live with the extra weight. I’ve rounded out the dewalt, mainly because that noise it makes pisses me off haha The only other contributing factor is what saw is best, to see if I can get some value out of the purchase,but that’s another topic
@@tallcook37 for price and reliability, I’m going to stick with hikoki. Once the guns have nolathane bushes to replace the rubber ones (from what my repair/service guy has done) they shoot twice the amount before needing another service, that also depends on the age of the nailer/ how hard a life it’s had. Thanks for the extra assurance though!
HD had two dewalts kits on mark down from $399 to $100 3-10-22. Bought one! Been using a 1996 Porter Cable framer and the last deck I wish I had this guy! Had to drag all the air tools shit around back a condo by hand, everyday no lock up.
We have a dewalt and the hikoki onsite aswell a paslode. The dewalt is definitely the best at getting into tight spots between joists and studs etc although not as powerful as the green one. One annoying thing about the Hikoki is you have to turn it on and switchs off after a short time
Got tired of waiting for Makita to get one on the market, so I got the Milwaukee. 1) as someone said, the Milwaukee has the extended mag. I got it and it's great having the capacity. 2) I got the bare tool, and a battery adapter so my Milwaukee nailer uses my Makita batteries. It's a really great solution and I've had 0 issues.
In the same situation like you were. Been looking at the Hikoki all this time but after this review and reading you set up I'm now thinking Milwaukee. Got plenty Makita batteries to use.👍
@@johnmackay7789 do it! I love Makita, but the Milwaukee nailers are awesome. I also got the gen 2 Milwaukee Brad nailer, and I actually have the Makita one as well.
From my understanding, the dewalt is at least serviceable whereas the gas cylinder guns (Milwaukee, hikoki) are throw away items when that cylinder is depleted. Please correct me if I am wrong though. Also, being able to access the Dewalt in a kit with a 5ah battery & charger for about $400 less than the opposition has to be worth considering in your decision. My god the Milwaukee with the 12ah must have been HEAVY 😂 What a monster of a gun it is though 💪 Great video though mate, I've just found your channel and have been binge watching!
What's the after sales like on these tools? Have 2 DeWalt nailer twin kits (in the UK) and recently found out the 3 year extended warranty doesn't cover nail guns......or batteries.......or chargers! Shit! All other tools I have are Bosch/festool and their after sales is amazing along with, in my mind, the tools.(wish Bosch made a nail gun!)
Sometimes its good to have adjusting depth. When nails are left visible they should be flush and when putting on temporary supports or braces. Its easier to pull out nails which already are few mm up.
I have the dewalt and like in the video it is really terrible. Refuses to put the nail in all the way and constantly jams. Just got the Milwaukee and it is awesome so far.
Cheers from the US. Great vid! I had the Dewalt 21* and 30*. My boss thought my new 21 nailer needed oil before use... needless to say it didn’t make it long after and now that whirring sound triggers my anxiety pretty fierce. Took it back and tried the 30 and they just don’t seem to have enough power to frame efficiently. Milwaukee seems to be the leader again
I gave up waiting for a Makita nailer so got the Hikoki. Decent gun, same issues you had, power button is in a stupid place and the tip isn’t long enough but apart from that I’d definitely recommend it.
@@deanripley2875 yea same, i had to order the hook off the finish nailer and swapped it over. They are still a shit design though. They should've made one like the paslode.
Because the NZ gov thinks it can control every single aspect of your life better than you. i'm surprized they alow hot coffee at drive throughs at all. We constituents are just sub human.
health and safety requirements around powered nailers, its not illegal but prohibited to have bump fire as they are "unsafe" itd be like not weaing a hard hat when working with cranes or whatever overhead, youd get thrown off site if you continued to ignore safety guidelines etc.. we have free healthcare here so we are a little more safety and accident conscious as all injuries are basically free to be treated, also reduced medication and paid recovery time off work.
Me being a service tech for these brands (minus Hikoki) I have learned that when you buy one of these at full MSRP, the company can replace about 5 or 6 of them before they take a loss. And average repair for an electrical Dewaltout of warranty is about 260 bucks and a 6 week wait time . Hence why air tools will always dominate the field.
Fantastic review, as always. However, at the near end of the review, how did you slide those 21-degree full-round head nails into those guns? I did a quick research and couldn't find any 34-degree full round head non-offset nails...
I haven't owned a nail gun in a few years as I mainly use screws for any projects around the house. But I've noticed lately I'm really just tired of drilling pilot holes and hearing noise from the impact. I'm building a bigger shop out back soon, and the thought of doing it all with 4 inch screws just isn't very appealing. I had a Paslode for while but the gas cartridges were expensive and just annoying to deal with. It looks like battery powered nail guns is where it's at now, I was impressed thoroughly with the Milwaukee in your test. Thanks bro.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL They might have superior hold down force but they are a lot more brittle than nails are. In California where I work screws cannot be used on any load bearing framing As the primary fastener. Lag bolts area different story, But it would be extremely expensive to use those for all your framing.
@@travisdoe4663 I built a 6x8 deer stand tied between 2 large oaks 24 years ago that's still standing perfectly. The workshop is holding up just fine also. This isn't high rise apartments we are talking about here.
@@charlesdjones1 I've been building And remodeling custom homes for over 25 years. I was just pointing out according to building codes in almost every state, using screws As structural Fasteners is against code..I couldn't even count how many screws I've tried to taken out that were sheared off.
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I have the Dewalt and love it. Built a 12x16 shed 100% solo and didn't have any issue with jammed nails despite going thru nearly 1500 nails. Great battery life as well, only went thru about 1 5ah battery for the entire project.
1500 nails 😂 that’s nothing. You should be able to shoot 10’s of thousands of nails before a nailer jams.
@@TCSwizz2he said he didn’t have a jam😂😂😂
I shoot 1500 nails a day!
@@bmformworkconcreteconstruc9783 I can ofer the collated paper/plastic nails from China 😀
I've had the hikoki one since it seems out. Still going strong. I've worked with teams and when paslodes fail they all end up borrowing my gun. It only failed once in 3 1/2 years. They sent it back fixed been good ever since. Its heavy but powerful and reliable.
It was fixed for free?
The Dewalt, consistantly sinks nails near 100% over a year of regular use, after the run in period. During run in period had a few false fires and two jams, since then no issues. Fast
Production framer here. We switched to milwaukee from paslode air nailers. We have run into problems with them in the summer heat. They stop shooting all together and we are left wishing we still had a compressor to hook up. Also sheeting goes slower. I don't think it's because it shoots much slower but the weight of it slows you down. Wall framing? Very similar speed to air nailer and no hose.
Good input, I was thinking about going all cordless on all my tools
But even the best cordless nailers in the market right now can’t keep up with old pneumatic nailers.
A combo air/cordless will be okay
did it make that clicking/grinding sound??
My Milwaukee framers were great… for the first 12 months, now I’m returning them every couple months. I picked one up yesterday from repairs and it lasted an hour. I’m currently have 3 framers, 3 15ga and 1x 18ga. 1 of each is in for repair at all times
I'm in ireland, bought a hikoki in February , my rafter hook is 4", it's on the right hand side of the tool and will swing right around to the other side, it does have the bump fire mode but I dont use it, the power button is in a weird position but the tool will stay on for adleast a half hour without touching it so ,and that's rare to not need it for so long
Milwaukee has extended mag available very handy for capacity
Yea thats why im getting milwaukiee
I had the DeWalt 21* Framing Nailer for about a year, and just wasn’t happy with the ‘Fisher-Price’ kinda sounds of its flywheel whirring, and so, I sold it and got into the Metabo HPT (formerly Hitachi and Hikoki(?)) Framing Nailers (and specialty 36V Nailers, too) and love them all! I have every model except for the 16ga, as the 15ga and 18ga Nailers can handle whatever the 16ga was meant for, IMHO! Thanks for posting another great comp video, brother!
m18, milwaukee is awesome, i got the extended mag, 96 nails. what a game changer!
One of the best cordless framing nailer comparisons I've seen. Thanks
Cheers
I have the hikoki framing nailer. I find it a good nailer with sufficient power with standards North American framing lumber. But one huge pet peeve that probably every nailer should have - an audible warning for an empty clip.
Why? Trying to shoot without the recoil is hard on the wrist. A simple sound/beep to let you know your out would avoid unnecessary wrist pain.
I hate it when you are holding some wood for the first shot
O shit no nails start again
i hate putting the heavy thing in an awkward position to finish the job and ... empty!
The Bump Mode on the De Walt is actually very good by the way.
Shut tf up
@@antoniononame3037 you shut tf up
I like the bump mode too
Metabo i bought will put over 1k nails per charge on larger battery. The small battery it came with about 400. But for sure is a great buy. We have built several decks with it and did not need to have a standard nailer for our jobs. One metabo 2 batteries i can build about anything!! I was very impressed with it!! And yes it will drive 3in nails in pressure treated lumber.! First charge out the box we drove over 1k nails on a single charge! Only set back for me was that it does not like to shoot on an angle very well. And if your paper nailing if paper is damaged at all mine won't fire.
The hikoki is a great nail gun. Bought one because I was sick and tired of my paslode only ever driving nails 3/4 of the way. The Hikoki nails home 99% of the time (even in LVL where the paslode is a waste of time). I also use the small 3ah battery to save weight and the large rafter hook which can hook over 90mm plates.
Have you serviced the paslode? It loses power over time as it gets dirtier and doesen't seal as well anymore. I haven't used the hikoki but that dewalt was just pain in the ass to deal with compared to paslode im90. I have shot around 10k 90mm nails with paslode and around 4k with dewalt
@@MrAggezzz It’s just the Paslode, unfortunately. They’re horrrrrible on LVL’s, goes 3/4 and then you need to hammer them in manually. The Hikoki blasts them in! The hook as atrocious though. I don’t know who decided that design was the best. It’s far too large and I guess that’s not too bad, bro it’s spring mechanism is trash. It’s like a swivel, and doesn’t lock out.
@@MrAggezzz I have the dewalt at the moment as my ex partner decided to get it as the dickhead behind the counter at the tool centre told him what an amazing gun it was like he used one every day.
As soon as I have some more money together im going to send him a film of me launching it of the scaffold.
Diyer gun
@@CryptikStudios I love the big hook. Folds out of the way when you don't need it and can als hook it on triple lams
We put a couple thousand nails a day through a DeWalt. It works great 99% of the time and has great battery life. The only problem I have with it is if you hit a nail or bad knot occasionally a nail will get stuck in the end.
I love my dewalt first fix. It’s the type 3 and I think it’s as powerful as a paslode
I love my Milwaukee framer. So ridiculously powerful and always consistent. Doing a reno recently using oak framing through the entire house and not once did i have to tap in the heads something we had to do a lot with our old porter cable air. Bump fire it just never runs out of breath. It's very impressive. I use it with a cp 3.0 to minimize the weight without sacrificing the performance. Thing is still a pig tho.
I am a lightweight and it is a bit heavy at times. Would not trade it for anything.
@@MrTHEBRITINWA same here 5'4" manlet. But I would probably trade it for another milwaukee if this one dies out of warranty and there is a newer one that is lighter but offers the same consistent performance.
@@khoatran9482 I run one with 8’s and an extended rack on the other for 16’s.
Oak framing?
Thank you! Well done! Has helped me a great deal in making my decision.
You're welcome, glad it helped.
I know from shooting the Milwaukee I started with charged 5AH battery and started nailing in bump mode. 14 minutes in and I had it stopping from overheating of both battery and tool. Just a fact here I shot 300 nails in that time frame. Gonna be putting my own Dewalt against it tomorrow. I am firing 3 inch nails into hardwood, mainly oak, 2x4 and 3x4s. What needs improved is heat dissipation on the Milwaukee. Shooting blasts of compressed air into the vents seems to cool it.
300 nails in 14 minutes? I would be using a pneumatic for that. I use my milwaukee for remodeling only,...and 300 nails in 14 minutes isn't required.
I have the Hitachi (bought it just before they changed their name) and love it...
Hitachi made the best nailer for roofing since i can remember, this are battery now so not sure anymore
Quality and technology is just as good
Very impressed , especially the 36V guns
Thanks heaps. Enjoyed your video. I have the DeWalt combo (both the framing and finishing nailers). I use the finishing nailer all the time doing insurance work. The framing nailer not so much. Being in Australia, I do have bump function on both tools, which I think helps because of how light the framer is. You can cut down on recoil by bump firing. It does make an annoying sound but compared with my work buddy’s Paslode, it is much quieter which is great in insurance work because the client is usually at home while we’re working. Other than that, I think your comparison was pretty fair.
I had thought things through and ended up getting the DeWalt
Hopefully Makita can get in the game soon. I mean heck they finally have a grease gun, so there is hope!
Makita have quite a few framing nailers pal, shit tho
I have the Milwaukee and the dewalt. I like them both.
14:20 Hikoki has an optional no-mark tip
26:50 Going to get the Hikoki
I got the dewalt gen 3 great gun, the spring takes minute to change if breaks good being able to change on-site, better if you have the bump fire on these guns
+1 extra point to milwaukee for having an extended magazine. I've owned both the hikoki and milwaukee. The hikoki was sent back for repairs several times for example shooting two nails at a time. Also -1 point for hikokis terrible customer service. Brought the milwaukee have shot 13000 nails and could count on one hand how many times it's jammed or left a nail proud. Very impressed. Coming from a makita user.
Big makita fan myself just can't understand why they can't make a good nailer
Just invested in whole stock of tools for Makita and their pneumatic an924. I would love to an 18v setup
I’m into Makita’s lxt & xgt lines and still use a bosch air nailer. Waiting on the xgt but if it isn’t great, I’ll lean into team red for it.
Bought
I'm looking into milwaukee can you tell me best of 23. 24 please don't like hoses I'm old almost 70 years old I've learned enough, so rather keep it around 500$ unless a 800$ is better its not for me so much it's for my son it's longevity thing please and thank you
I had the bostitch 20v (basically a first gen dewalt, just bought a new dewalt) and my boss has the Milwaukee. The mil definitely has more power. It can drive a nail deeper. The fan noise is something I got used to and actually prefer. With the mil when you run out of nails or have a jam or something you won’t know until you put the nailer up and pull the trigger a couple times. With my bostitch and dewalt when something Like that happens it won’t make the noise and you know before you even try to do something. (I’m in US and use bump fire so you might not get to experience that)Also know kind of a “hey I’m live and am about to shoot a nail”. Don’t get that warning with the mil. With that being said I prefer mine for framing up walls and just simple stuff. But when it comes to putting nails in harder woods it’s nice having the Milwaukee around. Great review man!
I moved over to cordless nailers early on. I got both the dewalt 21degree and 30 degree nailers as well as the 16ga angles and 18ga.
They’re all more or less garbage in my opinion. The 21 degree framer is dog shit, doesn’t drive nails and jams all the time. The 30 is much better but there are still more jams than what’s acceptable, I still use it when I only need a few nails, but hand banging 16 pennies are almost more efficient at this point… all guns got feeding issues.
I’ve moved back to air lately, gotten myself more compact high pressure air compressors and I feel like a fool for wasting time and money on all these cordless nailers… they don’t hold up… air tools are cheaper, preform better an will last a lot longer if you oil them every time you use them.
Hate the noice of dewalt
Who wants to hear that fan running all the time? Definitely something I don't miss from my Paslode.
I’m a makita fan boy... but I couldn’t wait so I bought the hikoki.
Not in the building trade so it’s for my weeks projects and I love it
Also have the 16g brad nailer also
I'm not a framer anymore but I waited so long for Milwaukee, I might just grab one anyway..
I had Paslode nailers ( framing and finish) for years, so happy to have Hikoki guns that use no gas and just a battery, on top of that they are much quieter to use that the Paslode
I have all of them plus matabo.. matabo is the best by FAR! My 2 dewalts absolutely suck they jam like crazy. Milwaukee doesn’t jam but extremely heavy and quits working when working in the rain also shoots way slower then matabo. My two matabo are about 3 years old used and abused by framing crew both still going strong
The Hikoki is Metabo HPT
Dewalt is third gen now and brushless Also ridgid (sister to Milwaukee)
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yep
@@Dirtyharry70585 I will have to try one of the new ones👍 both of the dewalts I have now sit in the van and never get touched.
I can't wait for Makita's framing nailer. Hopefully, soon they'll have compact 21700 cell batteries to go with it!
They have small compact 2ah xgt 40v batteries in europe.
How could one possibly make smaller cell? 2170 literally mean 21mm diameter 70mm length fyi
@@joemooney366 They are a larger cell however they have a higher energy density per cell.
@@joemooney366 He's not talking about making the cells smaller hes talking about making low ah batteries witn the larger cells.
Their new release xgt 40v brad cannot even sink on hardwood despite its only 40mm length capaticy. Milwaukee is 54mm and sinks into hardwood fast with no problem
I've used both dewalt and hikoki and I prefer the dewalt simply because of the fact the hikoki turns off so quickly! Nothing more annoying that getting something in place above your head and then having to take it back down to turn the hikoki on!
mine turns off after about 15 mins, thats ok to me.
Quickly? How long do you take between nails?
decision made milwaukee it is, loved my paslode but the nails plus gas for the im360 are to expensive and my local builders merchants dont stock them, thanks for the help choosing between the hikoki and milwaukee
The dewalt one has soo much recoil like it was going to the moon when you shot it through the 3 layers
The dewalt recoil in the review was quite exadurated because the dewalt is much lighter. and.... in bump mode does it even less. I am not a PRO, I own it, love it and would buy it again.
I’ve used all 3 and own the Milwaukee because I’m on that platform, the Milwaukee is awesome! Yes it’s heavy but you get used to it quickly. I could happily use the hikoki but the dewalt just doesn’t hold up. I had a paslode for years before moving over and will never go back, no gas, no constant servicing and no bang.
What happened to the dewalt ? Gen 3?
You can by 6Ah third party batteries for Hikoki (at least in the UK), but whether they really are 6Ah, or last as long, might be another matter.
As I personally already have a raft of Hikoki tools and batteries, then the decision for me is essentially already made, but I'm interested to see the results of the tests.
Man, I wish you could have done the bump tests, I’ve used all 3, the Milwaukee bump fire is absolute lightning, I shoot flooring with it it’s that quick, glad I settled on it and bought it, has been absolutely bulletproof, our hikoki has already had to go back for servicing with issues,
Since there's no Makita option, I wonder if the Milwaukee would work with a Makita to Milwaukee battery adapter? You don't happen to have one of those laying around for a quick test, do you?
Yes I do. Works fine.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL where abouts did you pick up the adapter for the makita batteries bud? Literally just picked up a Milwaukee framer and already have 10 makita batteries
The adapter can be seen in this vid ruclips.net/video/gqmp0DSqkPs/видео.html and there are links to purchase in the description.
I love your systems but curious as to how the dewalt preforms with I 54v 9am/h battery
I have used all major players when it comes to framing guns , and quite honestly i love the hikoki and the milwaukee , but I keep going back to the paslode, I am not a huge guy and just overly prefer how light weight the paslode is compared to its gasless counter parts
i just wish that milwaukee and hikoki manage to shed some of the weight off their guns on their gen 2 models, they have the better power but at a sacrifice to weight, which isnt a big deal but paslode always takes the cake when it comes to comfort of use for me
I have the extend clip for my milwaukee and it does great, only issue I have is when I use the bump fire mode it shuts down due to over heating.
These aren't made for continuous use. If you want longevity you need an air powered nailer.
Mines a slightly different model. The tips they made razor sharp sonit grips good. And they include a plastic cover to both protect you and the material your shooting if required. I brushed it woth my arm with the cover off and opened me up pretty good. Like a horribly deep cat scratch. So always store with the plastic cap cover.
My work colleague got one recently and noticed that too. It has made quite a big difference on how much easier it is to fire.
I have had two of the dewalts and returned both of them. I typically tend to frame something in then switch to ring shank to sheet and the dewalt will not sink any type if ring shank. I have also had the same thing happen when trying to shoot regular framing nails into different materials. Like shooting osb into a laminated beam. Just not versitile and powerful enough for me.
Just got the makita fn001g
Brilliant bit of kit... Hopefully 1st fix nailer is on the horizon now with the new 40v stuff
Don't hold your breath.
Considering all the other big brands have a battery nailer out, I’m hoping that Makita will bring one out within the next year or two. They wouldn’t want to miss the market for too long.
Man, I ve been hoping for a while. Im all Makita, but they need a table saw and a series of good trim and framing nailers… I’m actually trying to figure out what second battery platform to add for just those items…. I like the weight of the dewalt nailer, but it looks like Milwaukee might be better rounded
@@gregruopp4437 I have the milwaukee and the metabo and have used the dewalt. The metabo is absolutely the best one by a good disparity in my opinion. it’s a lot lighter and it’s a lot faster (i switched the spring in it to make it more sensitive) The only advantage of the milwaukee is that they offer the extended magazine
I’m with both of y’all I have all Makita tools and I wish Makita would come out with a gun or and I’m stock because I want to get to Milwaukee but then I wish Makita would come out with a gun
@@colekidd2 these are all junk. The dewalt is the worst. Then the metabo. Milwaukee is the best of the 3 but so far i like the Rigid. That may change all depending on how long it lasts. Now people may disagree with me but i do nothing but install metal roofs and i use these to install the 1x4s and i have never had 1 last more then 60 days. Less in the summer months. The Milwaukee will cool off and continue to work. The metabo then goes to the scrap heap. The last 1 I had Metabo would not even repair or replace. Saying they can't get parts anymore. I bought them from Lowes and paid for the extended warranty. Very disappointing. Rigid is pretty new. I will see how it holds up
@@allenbyler8210 I wouldn’t call any of them junk. for any pickup framing they’re way better than rolling out a compressor and in my opinion the weight is an even sacrifice for not having a cord running behind you everywhere especially when it’s just small work.
on the dewalt its a fibre reinforced plastic so pretty tough and harder than 'regular' plastic
The dewalt short nail feature is abit useless but it was ment to save battery usage ithink. Very good review, nice to see a kiwi review
The recoil on the DeWalt looks brutal.
It is but av been using it everyday for the past 8 months on site everyday and it’s just started to missfire so would say pretty good going blasting 90mm nails all day
I’ve been super impressed with what I’ve seen from the Hikoki brand - don’t know much about them, but seem solid. Is there a way to use a Makita adaptor on any of these, until Makita gets off their arse and releases one?
I’m loathed to take on a second battery platform for 1 or 2 tools.
You can get Adaptors to fit all 3 to take makita batteries
G'day mate, watched this a few weeks back and it helped me make my decision, which was the hikoki go figure! Seemed a bit more accessible price wise to start on a new battery platform than the milwaukee and I didn't want to wait any longer for Makita to get their act together. One thing you may find interesting though is that I managed to pick it up for $600 NZD through the mitre10 trade hub, with 2 batteries and charger. Absolutely bonkers! They've got a knockdown price on the main website down to 850ish and it must've upset something in the trade site which has made it glitch down to an incredibly low price! Just checked and it's still 520.87 plus GST, mental! Either it's a glitch or they want rid of them fast, but either way I jumped on it!
Sweet deal.
what about deck framing? the video reviews Don't seem to address that. framing material looks beat up using these nailer. words I ld be using 21 degree stainless 3.25. thank you
Great review, does the same milwaukee battery do for all milwaukee nail guns?
I believe that the milwaukee can take a longer magazine so you can load two full clips at once, but you have to buy the longer clip making the gun even haveier. Not saying that's a bad thing
What’s included in the box?
I bought a brad nailer nothing came with it. So I bought a drill that was a combo
Charger and battery. But no hanger clips
I'm super happy with my Hitachi. Ginormous hook and all. I have the 21° style for the full headed nails. Holds less nails. It also has a obscenely large hook. On/off buttons a pain. Comically oversized hook. Battery gauge, poo. And, AND, an overwhelming hook for the purpose of hanging the tool from the top of an entire house. I've never had a problem with this gun, or any of the other three Hitachi cordless nailers I own.
Large hook.
I like my metabo/hikoki nailers two just with they’d incorporate beep? To let you know the clip is out so you don’t keep trying to nail.
Great, but how's the hook?
Milwaukee makes an extended nail clip allowing 2 full clips. I'm looking to purchase battery operated nail guns for our pallet operations. i use pneumatic coil guns for attaching boards on the pallets but have a need for a battery operated gun to do small quick repairs or loose board reattachments. We use coil nails 1 3/4 x .080 to .090. I could certainly purchase sticks of nails and use a different size for this purpose only. What is the smallest nail this will take? Do they make a battery operated coil gun that will shoot non roofing nails? Something closer to 1 3/4 x .080?
Finally someone did proper comparison between them.
@Tools & Stuff. Best framing nailer comparison I've seen so far. Learned some things I didn't see or mentioned in any of the other tests for the same cordless framing nailers, Thanks. We'll see when Makita makes it to the cordless framing nailer game.
Do you know why New Zealand doesn't allow nail guns sold there to have bump fire mode? Is it a safety issue? Make sure that the nails get placed in the studs where they're supposed to go?
Hope you and your family stay safe and well.
Yeah, safety.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL 😂 “Safety.”
Want a bump fire function? You can order one from Australia mate.
Using the hikoki and having one gun shoot around 2000 nails a week, they do wear out very quick and it does require servicing, weight and delay to fire is also annoying.
If it was more cost effective I would choose a paslode without a doubt.
But I’m really leaning towards getting myself a Milwaukee gun. The rafter clip and the tool belt clamp seem a lot better than the hikoki, I think I could live with the extra weight.
I’ve rounded out the dewalt, mainly because that noise it makes pisses me off haha
The only other contributing factor is what saw is best, to see if I can get some value out of the purchase,but that’s another topic
the red, don't last. They rushed to market too soon, I am on my third one, and finally have to give up, move to another color.
@@tallcook37 for price and reliability, I’m going to stick with hikoki. Once the guns have nolathane bushes to replace the rubber ones (from what my repair/service guy has done) they shoot twice the amount before needing another service, that also depends on the age of the nailer/ how hard a life it’s had.
Thanks for the extra assurance though!
i own the hikoki and it hi-ko-kicks ass!
do they have a rebar binder?
No, Makita do ruclips.net/video/DxNTZ6tqUZQ/видео.html
No but they have a great rebate bender cutter
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL yeah got one now
I have a Milwaukee, works really good, but it's so heavy to use!!..Otherwise I love it......Thanks for this fine video and objective review...
Hi. Have you had a chance to try out the Hikoki (Metabo HPT NR3690DC) 36v nailer yet?
HD had two dewalts kits on mark down from $399 to $100 3-10-22. Bought
one! Been using a 1996 Porter Cable framer and the last deck I wish I
had this guy! Had to drag all the air tools shit around back a condo by
hand, everyday no lock up.
Do the milwaukee and hikoki drop the nails out if held vertical before pulling the slide?
When it comes to the tip, you can file it to the satisfying sharpness
theres 2 missing now ryobi has just came out with 1. ive been waiting for it for too long. but they say it will be released first of 2023
Got the metabo. It’s solid but It tends to misfire in colder temperatures.
Do Dewalt nails fit in the Milwalki ?
My clutch parts are abs plastic. Lots of high intensity car parts are.
Got 2 milwakees they bith started shooting nails not deep enough and i dont know why
We have a dewalt and the hikoki onsite aswell a paslode. The dewalt is definitely the best at getting into tight spots between joists and studs etc although not as powerful as the green one.
One annoying thing about the Hikoki is you have to turn it on and switchs off after a short time
Qwestion you think it's ok to use the DeWalt bigger battery
The link for the Hikoki - This item cannot be shipped to your selected delivery location. (New Zealand)
Got tired of waiting for Makita to get one on the market, so I got the Milwaukee.
1) as someone said, the Milwaukee has the extended mag. I got it and it's great having the capacity.
2) I got the bare tool, and a battery adapter so my Milwaukee nailer uses my Makita batteries. It's a really great solution and I've had 0 issues.
In the same situation like you were. Been looking at the Hikoki all this time but after this review and reading you set up I'm now thinking Milwaukee. Got plenty Makita batteries to use.👍
@@johnmackay7789 do it! I love Makita, but the Milwaukee nailers are awesome. I also got the gen 2 Milwaukee Brad nailer, and I actually have the Makita one as well.
@@travis7500 do you find any issues with the battery being attached to an adaptor, does it make the gun cumbersome?
Can you please compare these nailers with the Ryobi 18V Airstrike 15 Gauge Finish Nailer P330 ?
Why would I compare 3 framing nailers to a 15ga?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL sorry - my bad
From my understanding, the dewalt is at least serviceable whereas the gas cylinder guns (Milwaukee, hikoki) are throw away items when that cylinder is depleted. Please correct me if I am wrong though. Also, being able to access the Dewalt in a kit with a 5ah battery & charger for about $400 less than the opposition has to be worth considering in your decision.
My god the Milwaukee with the 12ah must have been HEAVY 😂
What a monster of a gun it is though 💪
Great video though mate, I've just found your channel and have been binge watching!
Dewalt takes about 5 minutes at most to service, its 2 springs and retaining clips, quite easy tbf
The internal cylinder on the metabo can be refilled, at home. The tool is avail on amaz. Hook up to compressor and refill
Will you redo this test with the new 36v hikoki?
Possibly.
What's the after sales like on these tools? Have 2 DeWalt nailer twin kits (in the UK) and recently found out the 3 year extended warranty doesn't cover nail guns......or batteries.......or chargers! Shit!
All other tools I have are Bosch/festool and their after sales is amazing along with, in my mind, the tools.(wish Bosch made a nail gun!)
Sometimes its good to have adjusting depth. When nails are left visible they should be flush and when putting on temporary supports or braces. Its easier to pull out nails which already are few mm up.
I have the dewalt and like in the video it is really terrible. Refuses to put the nail in all the way and constantly jams. Just got the Milwaukee and it is awesome so far.
Really enjoying this series Tools! Makita nailer will go at the top of the Tools I Don't Need But Want list ;)
Glad you like them!
3:16 are you nailing into cement?????
Which one last longer
would you consider the doing a planer test idk what to get either hikoki or makita but it would be good to see them all go head to head
I took a grinder to to nose on my dewalt, works like a dream. I prefer air nailers tho.
Cheers from the US. Great vid! I had the Dewalt 21* and 30*. My boss thought my new 21 nailer needed oil before use... needless to say it didn’t make it long after and now that whirring sound triggers my anxiety pretty fierce. Took it back and tried the 30 and they just don’t seem to have enough power to frame efficiently. Milwaukee seems to be the leader again
I gave up waiting for a Makita nailer so got the Hikoki. Decent gun, same issues you had, power button is in a stupid place and the tip isn’t long enough but apart from that I’d definitely recommend it.
Metoo in 2017 👍 Slowkita
Also the hikoki belt hook is so dumb
@@kizzjd9578 I think they supply different clips in different regions. Mine just has a massive rafter hook. Which I removed as I find them annoying.
@@deanripley2875 yea same, i had to order the hook off the finish nailer and swapped it over. They are still a shit design though. They should've made one like the paslode.
Can you do a 2nd fix gun video?
glad I found this video I was all set for the Dewalt but it looks like the Milwaukee, Why does NZ now allows the bump fire
Because the NZ gov thinks it can control every single aspect of your life better than you. i'm surprized they alow hot coffee at drive throughs at all. We constituents are just sub human.
health and safety requirements around powered nailers, its not illegal but prohibited to have bump fire as they are "unsafe" itd be like not weaing a hard hat when working with cranes or whatever overhead, youd get thrown off site if you continued to ignore safety guidelines etc.. we have free healthcare here so we are a little more safety and accident conscious as all injuries are basically free to be treated, also reduced medication and paid recovery time off work.
I don't know if you can buy a extended nail holder for the milwaukee.
Yes you can.
How come you never considered the Paslode ?.? Thanks?
Because they don't make a battery only nailer.
Me being a service tech for these brands (minus Hikoki) I have learned that when you buy one of these at full MSRP, the company can replace about 5 or 6 of them before they take a loss. And average repair for an electrical Dewaltout of warranty is about 260 bucks and a 6 week wait time . Hence why air tools will always dominate the field.
What about Bosch 18v nailer and staple
Fantastic review, as always. However, at the near end of the review, how did you slide those 21-degree full-round head nails into those guns? I did a quick research and couldn't find any 34-degree full round head non-offset nails...
There are no 21° nails in this video.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIALThanks for the info ,All the best 👍👍👍
I haven't owned a nail gun in a few years as I mainly use screws for any projects around the house. But I've noticed lately I'm really just tired of drilling pilot holes and hearing noise from the impact. I'm building a bigger shop out back soon, and the thought of doing it all with 4 inch screws just isn't very appealing. I had a Paslode for while but the gas cartridges were expensive and just annoying to deal with. It looks like battery powered nail guns is where it's at now, I was impressed thoroughly with the Milwaukee in your test. Thanks bro.
You should not be using screws for framing, they are too brittle and will shear off too easily.
There are plenty of screws sold for framing that are much stronger than nails.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL They might have superior hold down force but they are a lot more brittle than nails are. In California where I work screws cannot be used on any load bearing framing As the primary fastener. Lag bolts area different story, But it would be extremely expensive to use those for all your framing.
@@travisdoe4663 I built a 6x8 deer stand tied between 2 large oaks 24 years ago that's still standing perfectly. The workshop is holding up just fine also. This isn't high rise apartments we are talking about here.
@@charlesdjones1 I've been building And remodeling custom homes for over 25 years. I was just pointing out according to building codes in almost every state, using screws As structural Fasteners is against code..I couldn't even count how many screws I've tried to taken out that were sheared off.
You can get clip extensions for the Milwaukee
Is the Dewault the type 3
Hey mate can you do a video on rotary hammer drills?