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Which framing nail gun did I buy?
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- Опубликовано: 3 мар 2022
- I had some terrible nail gun problems. I bought a Silverline framing nailer but it didn’t fire the nails in properly. So I tried a HiKoki gas nailer - that was a disaster. Eventually settled for the HiKoki 1890 battery nailer and it’s awesome! Affiliate links:
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Please don't point a nail gun, especially a mis firing one upwards towards your head/ face area. I love your videos Andy and I'd like you to continue making them 😉
yup and good practice to take the batteries out or disconnect hose or plug when unclogging jam on nailers . or changing blades on other tools. recently while i was changing my disk on my grinder and hit the paddle, accidently scared the shhh out me, i O.O, coulda gave my finga a chop.
People remember the quality long after they have forgotten the price! Glad you got it sorted.
Too right! Cheers bud.
Amen brother!
I brought an old paslode gun for £120, stripped it down, cleaned, oiled, changed the seals, rebuilt and it's been amazing, fully clad three house's in no time. Really happy with it. One of my favourite tools now
Hi. I had the same with small nail guns (tacwise etc) and it was, like you, so frustrating. Ended up over boarding with ring shank nail and it took me days. Eventually I heard great reviews about the Clarke Contractor. Relatively cheap but very few jams.
I’ve been looking at the same first fix nailer you finished up with as a result of Robin’s advice but keep backing out like you. It’s only every now and again I do framing etc.
Thanks for sharing. 😊👍
Great gun! 👍
I had an 18g air nailer for years and then bought a Milwaukee 18g battery nailer about a year ago and wow it has changed how I can work without a hose and compressor the freedom has been fantastic yes it was expensive but it has made how I work much faster. Taking on a house project myself in the near future these videos have been great inspiration thank you
Heard great things about the Milwaukee - good purchase 👍
Brilliant! Thank you. I use a cheap Screwfix airline brad/staple nailer for garden trellis but now I know what to aim for if I need something beefy for heavy duty nails.
No worries Tom! If it wasn't for structural use I'd have kept the Silverline. But needed ringshank for the roof. 👍
I bought one of these 2 weeks ago haven’t tried it yet, I also bought the 16g 2nd fix and have to say I find it brilliant, having moved from using paslode for around 17 years or so
Very informative video. I’ve got the Hitachi 2nd fix gas nailer and I’m very happy with it. Had been looking at the 1st fix gas version that you had a nightmare with, so will definitely strike that off the list. I use a 1st fixer rarely so have hired when needed and they’re always paslode gas nailers, which I’ve never had an issue with. I add the cost of this onto the job, but probably should get my own really…..
Here in the States, I still have my Campbell-Hasfeld 21 degree collated nailer, much like your Silverline Framing nailer. Bought it with a compressor for about $120 over 18 years ago. Used it to build out 2 basements, including driving magnetism nails into the concert basement floors. Several sheds, fences, and 5 interior remodels. I've run about 2 & 1/2 big boxes of 3" nails through it. It's still going strong. Have 16g & 23g Hitachi (Metabo now) air nailers and an 18g Roybi battery powered nailer for portability as well. They all work great for the semi pro use I put them through.
Was a bit gutted the Silverline didn't do the job as I generally prefer air tools. Much less to go wrong! 👍
Only had my Milwaukee Framing nailer for a couple of weeks and have to say very very pleased. My Milwaukee finish nailer I have had for several years and have had no issues at all. Fantastic stuff. I suppose it depends upon which battery system you have bought into. I chose Milwaukee because it had the best battery technology at the time to my mind. Nothing has changed my mind either, now have £1000s nvested in Milwaukee.
Heard very good things about the Milwaukee 👍
Was howling when you were struggling to demonstrate the time delay cutoff! I invested in a similar battery DeWalt 1st & 2nd fix battery nailer set recently and was very pleased- only reason I went for DW and not HiKoki (I was impressed with Keith Brown’s one) was I already have the DW batteries.
I swear the time delay was shorter than that when I was up a roof! 😂😂
I'm a carpenter and I swapped to battery nailers from gas about 2 years ago. Over that period I developed ever worsening tennis elbow because these guns are just so heavy. This week I bit the bullet and spent over 1.5k swapping back to paslode gas nailers because they are so much lighter. Paslode are still the best even if the gas is expensive.
Yeah, if I was going gas again I think Paslode is the pro option. 👍
I think it’s down to personal preference. I swear by my Milwaukee Framing Nailer M18 FUEL. I was a pains to switch from my original Gas Paslode, last year, but have discovered it to be one of the better decision I’ve made. But as I said, it’s personal choice. People should use what feels right. Great channel though, keep up all the hard ‘GOOD’ work. 👍🏻
@@landyfox8976 I agree. I started on Paslode nailers in the 1990s with a first generation black gun. I went to DW (DCN692) in 2016 and more recently I swapped to the Hikoki cordless nailers and I'm happy with my choices, but then I'm not nailing all day and every day or above shoulder level. Sorry, but I don't regard the Paslode as a better choice - the "loaners" I have for guys working for me are actually a mixture of Senco and Rawl guns (more or less the same gun, different colours and badges) which have proved reliable in service but which I find are far easier to strip down and service than the equivalent Paslode or Hikoki guns, not to mention cheaper to buy
Thanks Andy, I was considering buy the air nailer, but think it will be a battery nailer now. 👍
I'm a carpenter and I've had several gas framing nailers over the past 20 odd years, my last one was the hikoki one and I only had this issue every so often in the 4 years I've owned it so yours is most probably a Friday afternoon job. When that gave up the ghost I looked at battery ones but decided against them due to the weight as I do a lot of overhead work so I went for the senco sgt 90i gas nailer, had it for about 6 weeks now and it's been great. In that time I've done studowrk in 3 flats, 1 cut roof and 1 large flat roof.
Time will tell if lasts without too many issues
I went for the Milwaukee. Very pleased with performance. I won't be a regular user but glad to have it. The heavy weight does tend to make me rush some overhead or akward shots and press fire before I run out of strength to keep the gun up there or wherever it was. That would probably put off a roofer or framer who was used to using a lighter gas or air model.
I went with the Milwaukee as well. Love it. Used it to re-deck a roof sheeting, build some walls etc. you are right about weight though.
When I build my workshop last year I bought an €100 airnailer from HBM (a dutch importer of chinese machines, similar quality to Silverline). I didn't have high expectations from it, but it rarely missed a beat. 3000 nails and only a few misfires or double nails and no jams.
Great stuff! The Silverline would be great it it could do ringshank. 😭
Andy,
Ive the Hikoki gas nailer that you tried. Had some of those initial problems same as you when it was new. Frustrating I know! But It needed a couple of drops of Oil and to set the striker and it’s been brilliant, never fails, gets a quick spray Of wd40 every 200/300 nails & do a service every couple of thousand nails. Its been used on general building, doing extensions also lately used to repair/replace fences, with the 50mm nails for fences boards.
I have the Hikoki gas nailer had it for 3 years built log cabins garages first fix fencing and never had a problem with it never missed a beat
Yeah this was clearly faulty. 😭
I had the Hikoki gas nailer which I bought for a summerhouse build.
I had the misfire problem occasionally and the need to warm the gas for some days!
I found that simply lubricating the firing pin and down the pin guide with wd-40 or similar resolved this.
I gathered it was probably bits of paper or the adhesive from the paper just causing it to stick
Probably for the best you sent the silverline back, I've had nowt but trouble from them. One of their router bits exploded on me first time it span up and embedded a carbide blade in the shed wall. Glad it went there and not in my guts. Ever since then have given them a wide berth
I eventually decided to go for the dewalt over the hikoki as all the problems that are emerging with the cylinder in the Hikoki leaking. Make sure you keep it under warranty!!
Wish I could get one, but would be overkill for my needs at present. I'll definitely keep in mind for future though!
Despite being nearly 50 years old I have never owned a nail gun. My wife thinks I'm not mature enough to own one.... Can't think why🤔. Anyway if I had the choice I'd buy the same one Denzel Washington uses in The Equalizer. 😉😉. I'm still loving the series... Please keep em coming
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
No worries bud!
I have the paslode im250a and im350. Can't go wrong and they never miss a beat
Interesting. I framed house many years ago and used pneumatic framing nailers. I noticed your nails were collated close together requiring an offset head. On this side of the pond we are required to use full round head nails. The Codes people claim they have better holding power. So they are collated with a space between them to allow fir the head.
Constantly need to remind myself on the buy once cry once rule. So tempting to go down the cheep route especially as a DIYer.
Defo. Although I think the Silverline would have been fine in softer wood with smooth nails. Just a shame they didn't mention the ringshank thing on Amazon. 😭
The frustration is tangible. They are not light so when they don’t work hmmm angry frustrated feelings. Glad you have finally got one that works
Yup, especially while it's snowing up a ladder. 😂😭
I had the same problem buying cheap (Silverline?) Air framing nailer and it broke in a few weeks! Returned and bought a Bostich Air Framing nailer and have fired 10,000+ 90mm Ring shank nails now.. I bought other Bostich air tools and have no problems with any of them. (Learnt that paying a bit more is woth it for the most used tools.)
Thanks for putting together an interesting video together
No worries Keith!
Got both fist and second fix Paslode guns and are both great but as you say the cold does effect them. As long as you keep keep the gas warm in your pocket and swop over now and again they are great . Also keep them well serviced
I heard there were Paslode ones now that don't mind the cold? Not sure if it's a different gas. 🤔👍
@@GosforthHandyman Might be better gas but mine are old versions and still fine ( nicad batteries ) both angled, the IM350 and the IM65 A
Had a while so had to get new batteries non genuine off ebay ,work fine
Mind you ear defenders needed with the first fix. . Yours is nice and quiet..
I bought a pneumatic framing Dewalt for about £200 on offer and it’s been banging! Recently bought the 64mm coil nailer to do some cladding (also Dewalt) and it is also great. I couldn’t justify battery and had a massive compressor with 40m of hose :)
Just to add, I have put 4000 nails through the framer without a single jam!
Actually looked at the DeWalt air nailer but nowhere had any in stock. I do like air nailers though. 👍😁
Different use for me (building stage scenery) I got the Paslode F325R compact framer 5 years ago for the shop. It's light and fits into tight spaces the cost for that is a small magazine capacity. It works very well for small jobs but I doubt a serious framer would put up with the constant reloading of nails.
I've got the dewalt battery nail gun and fired in 4500 nails only only 3 went pair shaped and that was due to hitting other nails .Absolutely brilliant nail gun.
Heard good things about the DeWalt!
@@GosforthHandyman I was very reluctant to get a first fix nailer when erecting my new workshop but in hindsight I wouldn't be without it .Can you imagine how much strain on my arms it would be to knock 4500 nails in lol .
I think my favourite moment is the Preemptive flash warning to the comments that 'its bit because it's cold'
Keep up the content, enjoying the journey!
Cheers bud! Saved a LOT of comment traffic there. 😂😂
Nail guns can be a nightmare....I started with a Dakota air nailer. It was pretty good, but struggled with 90mm rings....I found the answer was to use 90mm twist shanks, but before I found that out I decided to buy the Dewalt cordless framer ( i had the old 16 gauge gun and loved it). That was a mammoth mistake because it constantly struggles to set even 75mm nails and jams every other nail.
I solved the problem by getting a Paslode 360 and have never looked back.
I would like a battery model, but im too damned mean to buy another one...if I did I would go for the Hikoki or Milwaukee ( well the Milwaukee coz i already have the batteries).
Yup heard good things about the Milwaukee too! 👍
Next week video getting those bits of wood apart 😀 looks good Andy
😂👍
My milwaukee cordless framer has performed flawlessly since i got it about a year and a half ago. I’m already on that platform as well.
From the reviews i’ve seen on metabo/hikoki, i think you just got a lemon.
If you are looking for a cheaper framing gun, lots of people seem to swear by the Senco SGT90 gas gun, apparently it's very rugged and reliable despite being much cheaper than the Paslode. But for a battery gun, everyone seems to like the Hikoki, lots of recommendations and I've never seen a single bad review. Dean Doherty is very positive about both, and he's a man who knows tools inside out!
First video I watch from you, and I love it. "So I completely ignored their advice..." :D
Got an Tjep 34/90 gas nail gun, works perfect … and hello from Danmark
I can just imagine your blood pressure and temperature going through the roof while that kept happening on the job! And I can also just imagine Keith laughing his little a.s off 😂
Had a similar issue with hikoki gas nailer, fired, wouldn't fire etc. Lasted all of half a day when the casting which the depth adjustment bolt screws into broke in 3 pieces. Been sent straight back and have now got the same hikoki battery nailer. Also had a senco gas nailer, which didn't even work from the word go, straight back that one as well. Let's see how this one goes, third time lucky.
Ive had the hitachi 1st and 2nd fix gas nailers for some time now, 2015 and 2016 respectively,
Never had misfiring problems with them, maybe the one you got wasn't lubricated in the factory correctly,
I find gas nailers to be spot on providing you regularly strip and oil them.
I use makita 40v 18g and 23g and theyre really good but for heavy duty nailing i prefer gas due to the lighter weight.
Very useful. Love the comment... 'Take the shot...' Very Top Gun Andy.
I have the same silverline pneumatic nailer and had the same problem with 90mm ring shanks. I assumed it was my asthmatic compressor as I never read the manual. Makes sense now. It's good enough for me - - most nails go in well, and I have to bang in the last few mils on the rest. Toe nailing isn't great with it.
Yeah I was gutted and also thought I was doing something wrong... until I read the instructions. 😭😂
I have experienced problems with equipment from toolstop and so have plenty of others. I am convinced the new saw I bought from them was a return and faulty and they sent it out again. I sent it back.
Not sure, this was defo brand new. They were great with the return though so couldn't fault them. 👍
I have the finishing version of that hikoki gun and it’s been superb for me! I think I’d go battery though for a roughing gun
Think I just hit unlucky with this. If I'd had more time I'd have probably just got it replaced but I'd spat my dummy out by this point.
@@GosforthHandyman I’m not surprised! Nothing worse than spending money on something that doesn’t work!
I have battery hikoki. Its great, I had the dewalt and it didn't have the power, jammed all the time and there was a three second delay while the flywheel got up to speed. Being dewalt it sold for about what I paid for it four years on mind ! ( great thing about dewalt gear )
My only gripe with the hitachi is it won't seem to fire the firmaload nails all the merchants down in teesside sell !
Nice one! Yeah, the 3 sec delay would do my head in. 👍😂
For what it's worth, I bought the Silverline nailer for my shed build last/this year (and still building!). It has been virtually faultless with both 90mm and 60mm ring shank nails. You do have to adjust to get the depth correct, but that's a doddle. It will do me for many fences and other projects to come, and as a DIYer, it ain't worth me getting any battery nailer!
Agreed John, I’ve also used the silverline air nailer.
It’s fantastic feels very powerful when driving nails and only dosnt fully sink the nail if you have the adjustment set wrong.
So that’s a real shame that you had a bad experience with the silverline as we can’t fault it, for the diyer that is!
I looked at the air nailer but not having a air compressor makes the air nailer and a batter nailer cost pretty much the same (125+200for a basic air compressor and nail gun or 300 for a dewalt battery nailer) so it makes the decision pretty hard.
@@thedestroyer3262 Fair enough. I had a SIP Superboxy(?) which I've had for ages for car tyres mainly. It's enough for the air nailer, but no other tools really. It was about 100 quid when I got it, but they're up to 180 now!
Iv had that gas nailer over 10 years it was still hitachi back then and mine has never given me any trouble.
Great review! I think you nailed it! ;)
Hey Andy. Very recently picked up the Dewalt XR framing as well as a 16ga XR gun. Absolutely love them. Same as yaself, never bothered before. Def finding more and more uses for them both lol... 🤪
Yup, I've never stopped using this now that I have it! 😂
@@GosforthHandyman 18mm MR MDF is too much of a fan though bud...🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have been using the 16ga for an interior trim and kitchen replacement. It has worked great for all brad lengths and rarely has issues.
i bought the gasless hikoki second fix and ive found it to be great like
Recently put about 1000 through that silver line jobby (mostly 90mm ringed / ribbed / whatever they are called) with only a few miss fires. Got to get the air pressure right or it throws a proper hissy fit, but for a one off project it's been great.
Fully appreciate you get a lot more quality variance with these cheaper brands so maybe I just got a good one?
Could also be the timber. This was in to double C24. I suspect it would have been OK in C16. 👍
I don’t know about the nailer, but you were depressing me because I had to wait for a bit 😂😘
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Gas nailers tend to be very temperamental in the cold. I’ve got rid of my pas lose for the same reason. Have the hikoki tho and it’s a beast
The Hikoki battery gun is great. 👍
Very nice comparision...
Cheers!
Had my dewalt first fix for 4yrs, it’s a flywheel type without gas so it’s defo heavier than like a pasload but it’s been brilliant not had many misfires tbh and it’s done a ton of work
And also I’ve used the hikoki battery guns made by hitachi and they are great prob better than the dewalt tbh
Great stuff! 👍
@@GosforthHandyman your content is great stuff, keep up the awesome work mate 👍
@@GosforthHandyman honestly I left the trades a year ish ago coz it’s not the same anymore but the vids you put out make me proud that there’s still people out there that still give a sh1t about their quality of workmanship so good on you for keeping it up mate an I mean that 😀👍
I’ve the 1st and 2nd fix dewalt battery guns. 2nd fix never let’s me down but 1st never works very well.
Andy, all academic now, but one point with regards to batteries. I use Makita 18V tools but the framing nailer that I purchased is not as Makita does not make a 90mm nailer. What I did get though was a plastic adaptor that fits to my nailer so I can use the Makita batteries. A quick search online and you should be able to find appropriate adaptors for most of the major brands on an 18V platform.
I need to check those adapters out as I'm defo stuck on Makita for batteries (and now a bit of HiKoki).
I know people who own that gun and it works fine. I’m not going to say there isn’t any issue with that gun but Andy’s inexperience with them really shows. OMG when he poke the screwdriver in to the nose while it’s loaded and has gas and a battery in it 🙈
Andy did seem to be carefully pointing the screwdriver away from himself. It wasn't clear what might be in the firing line though.
At no point did I poke the screwdriver in when it was loaded, but thanks for your expertise. 👍😂
Try using a decent quality gas. Cheap gases don't usually have a good mix and the dosage valve doesn't work properly. Its like having bad petrol in an engine, it just wont combust. If it doesnt combust fully it wont suck the piston back in. Also there are very few machines that will fire a 90mm ring shank. Im a repair agent for all these nail guns so I know the issues that they come across. Love your vids, very informative, just thought I'd put my two bits in.
Cheers - interesting!
I have the earlier Hitachi version, I hardly ever use it and I've had it for years. Last year a neighbour was remodelling his house and I used the gun, it wasn't as bad as yours but I still had problems with it not firing. I never found out the reason, sometimes I thought even though the battery was charged, it wasn't charged enough, but that was just a theory. Yes the batteries are a pain to get out.
Interesting. I suspect it's the same gun with a different logo. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman it’s the same one, Hitachi was rebranded I believe.
I'll only use padlode now the problem now with all these guns is the limited branded nails to go with the gun brand another reason why I use paslode.. my friend is a fencer & he used a air gun but hes recently bought a dewalt coil nailer he was telling me how impressed he is with it
You must have a faulty gun, I have the exact same model, had it for about year, just completed framing a large garden room with it in the same weather, it has not missed a beat.
Uh-oh...n+1 on the tools...do I need a nailing gun? 🤣 Cracking video again.
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Great video, av got dewalt gasless finishing gun there great .
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Had one of those ('Hitachi' branded) for 4 years, seen plenty of site use in all weathers and the only 'real' issue I've had is when someone borrowed and broke the gas feed 'tray' so I had to strip the back end of the gun to replace it - a spare part costing less than a pound.
In my own experience when the gun is making the noise yours was making when it mis-fired, it hasn't fully recocked and needs a moment to sort itself out - wet weather, cold gas, old gas and 'iffy' gas all seem to contribute to that.
I'm usually labour only as a subcontractor so I normally have access to decent quality gas and nails. I haven't found it necessary to fully service it that often but it does get some love and a good general clean when used in very dusty or wet environments.
I paid around £135 for mine in new condition as a 'new purchase return/factory serviced' item from Anglia Tool Centre.
Considered a newer no-gas nailer and I like the Hikoki and Milwaukee guns, but whilst mine works and so far has cost an average of around £34 a year.... I gotta say I am happy with what I have 🙂
Glad yours is fine! Was defo faulty, although the battery tightness wasn't great. Not sure if that was just with it being new and it might ease over time. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman The batteries on mine are still quite tight even after 4 years of regular use and it can be a real challenge to change if your hands are cold.
Had mine working this morning in light rain and around 4 degrees and I'm surprised the gas wasn't a little more temperamental but it got the job done.
Enjoy using your gasless Hikoki and I'm fairly sure I'll get one too at some point 🙂
I was thinking about buying a nailgun, you've just saved me an awful lot of hassle, I can learn from your misfortune. Thanks
The Silverline would have been good if I didn't need ringshank. 😭
Paslode IM350+ & 360xi for me, purely down to the lighter weight and power they produce.
Light and effective
Used Air nail guns in the past up to 100mm making small and large packing cases and thousands of pallets but we had to put a bit of oil in the air intake every day due to water in the compressor. We used to get all the problems that you had but a man used to come round take them away and bring them back working again. Alll nails had to be done by hammer if your nail gun didn't work
Nightmare! 👍
Love the real life story of buying new tools. Totally feel your pain as you often cant test any of this stuff prior to buying.
Live and learn!
No worries! Want people to understand all the ups and downs of a building project and how a simple thing like that can delay an entire project. 👍😁
Am pretty sure you need to give it a few seconds between each nail to recharge. The little brad gun you have can be fired like a machine gun because it needs so little air.
Lethal Weapon style ‘nailed him’
You can fire them pretty rapidly - defo faster than once every few seconds. 👍
I own a Dewalt 18V framing nailer, it’s been flawless, though word of advice it’s a Gen 3, the older models don’t get great reviews, Dewalt nailed the gen 3 though 😁
Good to know! Know a few who swear by the DeWalt. 👍
The following comments apply to 1st fix (framing) nailers:
I fully agree with your comments about the Silverline pneumatic framing nailer, although TBH I've found the same comments apply equally to the cheap models from Clarke, Sealey, et al - poor build quality and reliability issues. I periodically do bulk nailing jobs (things like diaphragm floors) which require a pneumatic nail gun to achieve the required daily nailing rate (10 to 13k nails/day). At this rate of firing gas and cordless nailers simply overheat and seize or stop after 45 to 60 minutes of operation 9they then require a good hour or more to cool down). Good quality pneumatic guns just keep going, but, they aren't cheap: a typical industrial-quality Senco, Hikoki, Paslode or Makita 1st fix pneumatic nail gun will cost you £350 plus (I have several Sencos). So far from being a cheap option, a good 1st fix pneumatic nailer is just as expensive as an equivalent gas nailer, but with periodic cleaning and oiling it will last 20 years,. something I doubt a gas or cordless nailer can ever achieve
I'm surprised that you had a dud Hikoki gas nailer. I've used Hikoki gas nailers in the past and found them to be on a par with Paslode nailers for reliability. I suspect that your "dud" actually has a nail feed issue rather than actually misfiring. It could be caused by a number of issues, but is most likely curable quite easily. Shouldn't happen on a new tool. though
There is a whole slew of issues with gas nailers, in that they do require a bit more "savvy" to use successfully. Gas nailers seem to suffer from a lot more issues than cordless nailers - I've had guns where the igniter has failed (both the "spark plug" and the control board), where the fan has died, and where the gas canister microswitch has failed - all relatively expensive failures - together with the more common problems of guns getting "coked up" with oil or carbon (necessitating an in-field strip down and clean-out), battery contacts have gone black (caused by arcing, a common failure), and where the gas canister is either out of date or has simply lost pressure since the gun was last used. TBH I think this makes them less suitable for sporadic users, especially when you consider that the 2 or 3 canisters of gas you have to buy with a box of nails cost you £15 to £25 extra obver the cost of boxes of nails without the gas. The main advantages that gas nailers still have is that they are smaller and lighter than cordless nailers, cheaper than cordless nailers (unless you are already committed to a battery system and can buy a gun "bare") and that people in the trades are likely to be familiar with them
I don't understand why you are having delay problems with the Hikoki, though. I put mine into bump mode, and start nailing. End of. I know that there is a safety interlock which means that once you press the nose down onto the work you have maybe 2 or 3 seconds to pull the trigger - maybe you're just a bit slow pulling the trigger?
Sounds like a lubrication issue with the hammer mechanism. With all the dry fires and sticking mechanism, I wouldn't be surprised if it's worn out of spec now. Both cause lots of wear. I have a Hitachi/Hikoki NR90AD pneumatic framing nailer and it's been totally reliable, probably because of the lubrication. Also it's fairly light, but still has plenty of penetration power. Too many hassles with gas or battery nailers.
Nope, was well lubricated. First thing I did. 👍
I use a Paslode 360ci it has never let me down pricey but worth it.
Defo the route to go down for pro work. Lovely guns. 👍
I think you will find with your air framer, that the compressor is too small, it won’t keep up with the gun on rapid firing.
Dewalt type 3 gas less 1st fix gun , on site work never had any problems and half the price of Paslode and there not to heavy either plus the dewalt fits between 400 centres
Seen plenty pros with the DeWalts 👍
But cheeky to keep using the Hikoki in your demonstration, after Toolstop said they’d take it back
?! Don't follow. How's it cheeky?
I bought hikoki nailer on its own, then bought Hitachi drill with two batteries and charger worked out about the same, altho 3ah instead of 5ah but the 3 in my nailer is lighter and lasts all day
Yeah, I've found the battery lasts forever. Tempted to get a 3 to make it a bit lighter. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Toolstation doing them cheap under Hitachi at the moment
when it comes to air nailers in the case of the silver line would not fire ring shank just turn up the pressure on the commpresser some nailers have a pressure nob on them
I had a paslode framing nailer and a finishing nailer and was happy with them. Then I didn’t use them for a year or so and when I need them they wouldn’t work properly. I found out that the gas has an expiration date and becomes stale and won’t fire. At the time the only way to get gas was with a pack of nails that I didn’t need. This made it very expensive. Plus how come gas expires It’s in the ground for thousands of years and is explosive as hell. Then along comes paslode add some additives and now you have a year or less to use it or break out the wallet. I was so pissed off about this I went and sold them and got a ryobi air nailer that for the little use it gets works great I may look at a battery one if ever I need something more mobile. But for now the cheap n cheerful ryobi does it for me
One of the most important considerations of buying a power nailer is the availability of nails and their cost.
Big box stores don't stock some nail brands and other sources are special order only.
Our local bigbox has a price guarantee. Noone cheaper or they'll beat it. They snuffed out competition on certain nail sizes and then stopped sticking them after competitors gave up trying to sell them. Now they're special order only.
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Milwaukee makes one that’s awesome as well
I got that one from Anglia I think. Did not get the nails free at the time, from my memory. I also got the air charger if in case one day I get an issue with it.
I now have an excess of nails. 😂👍
Thanks Andy really useful info. I am very much like yourself it is handy to have a first fix gun but I don’t use it often. I had looked at the Hikoki gas…… not any more the battery issue alone says no.
I have access to the family DeWalt first fix. Not the world’s best but cheaper than other first fix especially when I am on the DeWalt battery platform and fine for feather board fencing which it has done a lot of 😁
Cheers Doug! See plenty pros with the DeWalt. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman true Andy. Works in a different way to yours or the Milwaukee. Fast spinning wheel thing. It does the job at the Hikoki gas nailer type of price ish. Cheaper if you get the bare unit
Exactly the same as my experience with the equivalent Hitachi. Alas, being a sweaty, I bought both the first and second fix models on price rather than reputation. I did, to be fair, get a couple of years use out of them before they started to play up, but from then on: nothing but grief! I'd used hired Paslode 16g nailers onsite for years, and they were light and reliable.
I knew I'd picked a loser when another joiner offered me his Hitachi framing nailer for free.
Long story short, I went ahead and bought the Ryobi 16g second fix nailer and have never looked back. It is a beast compared to the Hitachi, but has yet to misfire and does not require expensive gas cartridges.
I have not come across a first fix Ryobi here in the UK, but I think I'll bite the bullet and get the Hikoki, as I already have 8 Hitachi batteries. I never considered it before as I'd used the Dewalt battery only framing nailer a couple of years ago and found it to be gutless, leaving even 75mm ringshanks halfway into the timber. Well, if you've got to bray them home, it kinda defeats the purpose of using a nail gun.
But which DW was it? I suspect it was the original single speed DW (DCN690) which was a bit gutless - the improved (current) model with 2-speeds (DCN692) is considerably better and once run-in (about 1000 to 1500 nails) more than capable of sinking 90mm ring shanks into C24s. I had one for 5 years before going to Hikoki cordless about 2 years ago. When I first arrived on a job about 3 years back I was the only guy with a DW. People had a play with mine, weighed it up and quite a few of the guys did end up buying a DW gun as their Paslodes came due for replacement. One big plus of these cordless guns is that they require a helluva lot less maintenance - just keep them clean and dry and recharge the batteries. In terms of spares usage, the DW guns require new return springs (circa £50) every 3 to 4 years - a DIY task and a much cheaper option than getting your gas gun serviced by Paslode every 12 months
Milwaukee 18v 1st fix 2nd generation supposed to be brilliant also ,great review thanks
Cheers! Yeah, the Milwaukee seems to be a good choice too.
Power tools have made driving nails and screws quicker and easier. Fewer and fewer tasks are done strictly by manual labor. But non-powered hand tools still have their uses, and I think it will be a while before we can put them all in a museum.
Defo Bob! We've become accustomed to working at speed. When I look at all the original work on this house and everything was done by hand. I need to brush up my hammer skills. 👍😂
most nail gun lock out when its less than 8nail remaining. You need to load more nails and hold firmly down as its springs are harder on Hikoki
Hi, can any one advise whats the most reliable second fix gun-Pneumatic, battery or gas and battery do people still rate Paslode second fix guns? thanks for any feed back.
What's the model of your Swan compressor please? Thanks, Richard
FYI: Ring-shank stainless 90mm with the battery Hikoki isn't a qualified option. I jammed mine up and had to send it in for repair. You may not be using SS nails... But I love the gun...
I wouldn't give a second look at anything other than a paslode (if you are using it regularly). My first framer cost me £270 (20 yrs ago) new and i had it about 12 years selling it still working for £170. I tend to buy nearly new now and replace more often. 2nd hand prices are high so your never really going to lose much money. As is nearly always the case with tools buy cheap buy twice.
I have that exact model of Hi-koki gas nailer and I've found it to be brilliant, but I've always used the top quality Paslode nails. I wonder if it doesn't handle cheaper nails very well?
Don't think it's connected with the nails. The firing pin wasn't retracting. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Yeah I was thinking that the pin could have been dragging against the nails, but either way, it didn't sound like a good experience!
The cheap framing nailer I borrowed from a friend does another thing: it double taps.
Hikoki nail guns are the best
I've fired several 100 ficher 90mm ring shank nails with the silverline with no issues. Ok if you hit a knot then you need to finish it off by hand. I've actually had more issues with 50mm dewalt nails which I think is down to the wire collation or that a strip of 50mm bends out to shape and doesn't move freely in the chamber.
Interesting! My Silverline just couldn't handle the 90's. Left every one 10mm shy.
@@GosforthHandyman The gun has a depth adjustment, took me a while to figure it out (well ... I didn't read the instructions). Clockwise to increase the depth. I also found I needed to play with the pressure. Try playing about and let us know how you get on 👍
Yup was on the 'deepest' depth adjustment setting. 👍