Well, actually, they did, but couldn't get past the angel dude with a flaming sword, so it was a functionally meaningless and impractical discovery. :)
Yes, they do this a lot. I remember John Lennox having a reasonable and entertaining talk with Dawkins on the Kalam about first causes, etc. Then out of nowhere in his closing, he was thereforing Jesus is lord and died on the cross for your sins. It’s a tactic, pure and simple.
@@danjohnston9037 Creationists are very practiced in finding factoids that fit their narrative, while ignoring or distorting everything else in the studies they found those those factoids in.
Yeah, it's like "Okay, reasonable misunderstanding of the concept of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam, I've heard it before. Got to correct him, but it's not too ... WTF? Where did that come from?"
@danjohnston9037 The 6000 years are the dates from the Genesis up until now when u add all the dates, etc. Adds to roughly 6000, maybe 7000 yrs, so they are just using the data that recorded in the bible to come to that conclusion
@@cedricgaming5106 Yeah, obviously, but it started out as if he was just misunderstanding the actual research and then suddenly it was blatant "and the Bible says"
And then Dan goes on to say "No, they haven't" without further explanation. There is a worthwhile principle here that made my life better when I figured it out. Each idiot gets one careful response to one idiotic statement. The second idiotic statement gets a short answer like Dan's "no they haven't", and then that idiot gets ignored forever after. Making an idiotic statement is much less work than making the careful response, so if you respond to too many of the idiot's idiotic statements, they win because you run out of time to write rebuttals.
I would love to see an in-depth *scientific* discussion about this. My personal hypothesis is that the myth records the flooding of the Persian Gulf ca. 15000 BP with the fruit of knowledge referring to the development of agriculture. This is mostly conjecture on my part, however there was a human presence there at the time: _New Light on Human Prehistory in the Arabo-Persian Gulf Oasis,_ J. I. Rose, *Current Anthropology,* 2010
Batman is one of the greatest animated show, at least in the English speaking world. Along with Samurai Jack (but they barely spoke in that one. LOL). And Exosquad. Sorry got derailed for a minute. What were we talkign about? Oh that's right.. Adam & Eve MRCAs.
All while conveniently ignoring the idea that if we all descend from two people who lived mated, and produced children 6K years ago, we're all the produce of "forbidden close family relations", shall we say, and we all commit those "forbidden close family relations". They also ignore where all the other genes we carry came from.
It’s more a problem of not understanding, in my opinion. They hear Eve, and think scientists háve found the real eve. They are not familiar with the evolution theory, and jump to wrong conclusions.
@@jannetteberends8730you can write that bit down to just misunderstanding, but the claim that genetics points to our maternal and paternal MRCAs existing only 6000 years ago is a blatant lie and calls into question how much of the rest is genuine misunderstanding and now just lies and intentional half truths
@@NorbertKasko It is the Heritage Foundation's plan if tRump is elected. Scary stuff, but millions of Americans don't care or actually want to live in a Handmaids Tale world.
That's certainly part of it. In this sort of case I'd argue that one needs to be able to critically analyze their social circumstance first. It's difficult to deconstruct a story when you've tied your social identity to believing the story is true.
I used to study History, in search of Truth. But Truth is subjective, elusive, and ephemeral. I found that What Happened is irrelevant, but What We Say Happened, the stories we tell ourselves, helps to define our culture. ATM we argue about what the Founding Fathers intended when they devised a government that saluted freedom and democracy while allowing these rights to be restricted to a minority. (For more fun, explain the terms "free white person" and "citizen" in the Naturalization Act of 1790.)
The world would’ve been a better place if YHWH had remained as a place name and if gender based Duotheism were to become the predominant form of religion.
Yes and no but more importantly he doesn't believe in any miracles by Jesus,walking dead,etc and he's ridiculed those saying those are facts @TheNerdyBrew
@@TheNerdyBrew "Dan believes in the Bible" ...considering that he's made a career out of studying many of them. Yes, the Bible in the context of being a collection of books, is a thing.
Taxonomically, humans just ARE apes (Hominoidae), so in that sense, yes, we also come from apes. Pretty sure the original author meant "current day apes, not including humans", but what they said was technically correct. (Only in this specific instance of course, not the 6000 years and other stuff.)
@@daniellamcgee4251 You could. But we wouldn't say gorillas "come from apes", so we probably shouldn't say humans do either. It creates ambiguity that actively helps people who want to spread misinformation.
As a current biologist who once TA'd intro biology at college, I just want to say kudos for explaining MRCA so well. Mad respect for doing all the necessary readings in the various scientific fields you need to do in order to explain and debunk the huge variety of misinformation floating out there.
“Thousands of years” undersells the problem. Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived somewhere around 155,000 years ago, and Y-chromosome Adam is estimated to have lived around 200,000 to 300,000 years ago. (Those numbers are from about 10 years ago; these f anyone has more recent studies showing an age, obviously I defer to that.)
Yes, I think they had some terminology issues, there. Obviously, humans are animals, mammals, and primates, and we're also categorized as apes, but we're not other living apes, so we're not gorillas or orangutans, for example. Given all the other things the guy was horribly wrong about, I'm actually willing to forgive this one, sort of. The very next step of "once they took apes out of the equation", though, brings it right back up.
TikTok allows spread of those crazy disinformation but it also allows spread of scholars like Dan addressing said information. I think it’s net good. I think it bursts social bubbles, in a similar, if not better way than RUclips does.
To make it more clear, a Y-MCRA is an ancestor that *applies only to the Y chromosome* . We have 23 chromosomes (two set of which, one from each parent). The mt-MRCA is an ancestor that *applies only to the mitochondria* . We have _other MCRA_ in our DNA, who were different people than the Y-MCRA and mt-MCRA.
But because we only have one copy of those two types, the only changes come from mutations, and therefore tracking how far back those two MRCA were is just a matter of maths, while the rest of our chromosomes have two copies and recombine. I actually have no idea if we have any idea who and when those other ones were, or even if it's possible to find out now. Like, right now the commercial DNA test businesses sometimes get your degree of relation wrong when matching you with relatives, and that's for people whose MRCA was like great-great grandparents, not pre-history
Humans lived longer then. Ancestral Adam was created first, waited around jerking his meat for thousands of years, then Even was created from his rib. Checkmate.
For once, as someone who studied Archaeology and Biology (both with a thesis in human evolution) I feel justified to share my own insights. Unfortunately, I don't really have much to add, because Dan explained it really well. Perhaps a small thing: the fact we talk about a Y-chromosomal Adam and a mitochondrial Eve has nothing to do with the importance of those bits of DNA. In fact, they're relatively unimportant small bits. The problem is that all our (other) chromosomes get mixed all the time when we reproduce, so we can't trace them back to a single line. This Adam and Eve are only "more related" to current humans with respect to the Y-chromosome or mitochondria, not in any other way. So it's not exactly like our uniquely shared grandpa/grandma.
Yeah, that's the only bit that I think Dan messed up a bit. It's not that those other lines are completely extinct, it's that the straight paternal or straight maternal line fails. Not by having no kids necessarily, but by not having the right sex of kids. Simplest way to think about it for most Westerners is the traditional surnames - you get them from your father, so if a someone only has daughters, the name doesn't carry on in that line.
I pray to the gods for this level of unearned confidence, to spout sheer nonsense unrestrained by any level of humility or decency. "Scientists have proven that existence began when I time traveled back to the dawn of life, got drunk on Zimas I picked up from 1988, and passed out in the primordial soup."
Thanks for the great laugh, today, I need it! and I agree with MrBlakeD82. You should sample those phrases and maybe somebody could make a song, like the Man in Finance.
My Father's line will go extinct because I never had any children (male or otherwise) . His Brother's line may have, but I'm not sure. His Sister never married or had children. Their brother died before getting married and/or having children.
I remember as a teen(?) my dad angsting a little about how the [surname] line was going to end with him because Mum had the audacity to give *her* surname to my brother who was born after their split. Aside from it's kind of weird to value the continuity of a fairly common name (from an ethnicity very common here) over continuity of emotional ties, or even genes, at this point I don't think my brother *will* be having kids, so even if he had been given Dad's name that line would still be ending very soon
I was hoping you would explain the whole thing in terms of cladistics. Anyway, it is currently believed that gorillas, orangutans, and the three species of chimpanzee (chimps, bonobos, and humans), are a crown group clade we call "the living great apes." It is also believed that the MRCA of our clade was also a great ape. So, humans did evolve from a great ape and of course also remain great apes. Luv your show!
When I see apologists like this, I wonder if they are simply profoundly ignorant of the topic, or if they are knowingly lying. Either way, dishonesty is involved, because remaining entirely ignorant about a topic you are pretending to be knowledgeable in, is a CHOICE. It probably takes 15 minutes on the Internet to educate yourself sufficiently on this topic to not believe that geneticists have concluded that the most recent human common ancestor existed 6,000 years ago. The fact that this apologist has CHOSEN to not educate himself speaks to his intellectual honesty.
Do we know how recently the last person NOT descended for the two most recent common ancestors of all CURRENTLY living people died? Because by the logic of the original video, for long periods of human history, there were people living on Earth who did not descend from Adam and Eve...
I brought up that point in a comment discussion with Andrew Loke - it turns out he doesn't care about the obvious connotations both to his theology and moral framework. It's funny how sometimes theists don't care about things that happened a long time ago, and sometimes they regard them as the most important things ever.
It’s tough to know, really. Firstly, if their line is extinct, we would have to get that information from their bones (well, their teeth, to be pedantic). So we are limited by the accident of their discovery. Secondly, and more importantly, I don’t think anyone has actually done that study; so if you happen to be fishing around for a PhD topic, you might have nailed a really good idea.
It should be noted that ‘Adam’ and ‘Eve’ are not fixed individuals; as branches die out the Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve would shift as they’re just nicknames for the two MRCAs. Similarly, if we found a hitherto undiscovered tribe in the Amazon, they’d shift back to the MRCA that the tribe shares with the rest of us.
@@lordofuzkulak8308 Yes, that's a great point. Actually, the exact identity of which concrete past individuals happen to be the most recent common ancestors in a given moment might change literally every single time someone dies.
"the two most recent common ancestors of all CURRENTLY living people died?" - our most recent common ancestors, for all humans, are not the Y-ancestor and the mt-ancestor. We have ancestors who live on in our 22 autosomes, and they are more recent than the Y-ancestor and the mt-ancestor.
It really shouldn't be on them to have to worry about how the ignorant interpret their work, but I wonder if science communicators should take a moratorium on using religious metaphors to label scientific theories and discoveries--God particle, Mitochondrial Eve, etc. It gives these delusional apologists fuel for their nonsense.
It doesn't really make sense to say that humans "come from apes" since humans are still classified among the great apes (hominids). It's a bit like saying "orangutans come from apes" when orangutans actually just are apes. But we prefer to not see other living creatures as part of our extended family because if we were just another species of animal, it would hurt our pride.
Before social media our boy there would have been shaking a fry basket or rockin the slurpee machine. Now they are influencers. 😆 The internet was a mistake. It was a tool for education and collaboration which turned into every short-bus riding peasant's megaphone. Thanks DARPA!
There is no univocality in the bible, but amazingly there is quite some univocality in apologists, in that almost all of them use exactly the same arguments, quite often down to the same examples.
So one has to make up a story to harmonize the matrilineal and patrilineal MRCAs with the young-Earth-creation myth. That's fine if you're writing a fantasy novel or story. It doesn't cut it if you're trying to base your faith on valid hypotheses. In fact, given the utter lack of evidence for a historical Adam and Eve, and their Fall, the entire edifice of Christian theology begins to fall to pieces. Without the doctrine of Original Sin, there's no need for a Savior to rescue humanity from anything. In short, if you want to follow Jesus, you have to construct a whole new basis for doing so. I submit that if one is so inclined, it's possible to do this. However, there are other moral teachers that can also fill the role of exemplar, so you have choices. And this is not necessarily a bad thing. Thoughts?
I think either • it wins them clout in their community, • their own faith is weak and they need the affirmation from their followers, or • they're grifting
Amazingly well explained. One thing I like to add whenever I explain this subject is that MRCAs are an extremely normal thing. Pretty much every significant genetic mutation that is shared among one species and not present in another, most likely originated from a single ancestor. For example, if there's a particular neurotoxin in a particular viper species' venom, that is not present in species that are most closely related to this one, then there most likely was a single viper, let's call it Toxic Timmy, which was the first to introduce this gene to the population. Another trivial example is viruses - all covid 19 cases are caused by viruses that can be traded to a single cell in a single something, which mutated and started producing the specific coronavirus strain we know and "love" today. The only significant thing about the Mitochondrial Eve and the Y Adam is that the particular genetic code found in all humans, whose most likely origin is a single ancestor, happens to be specifically in genetic material passed down from female and male parents respectively - mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the eggs, i.e. from the mother, while the Y chromosome is obviously passed down from the father. But there are thousands of other peculiar snippets of genetic code in our DNA that could be reasonably deduced to have come from their respective Snippety Stephen... or Stephanie, because those snippets could have come from either male or female. Tldr nothing particularly amazing about this discovery, it's a normal thing in nature, move on.
Adam and Eve Was there really once a man named Adam, a woman named Eve, a talking snake, and a Garden called Eden where they lived? Were the man and woman made simultaneously (Genesis 1:27) or was Eve made out of Adam's rib (Genesis 2:21)? If Eve was made later, did Adam initially have reproductive organs or were they added later too? If Yahweh made the universe from nothing, why did it need one of Adam's ribs in order to make Eve? As the rib contained the same genes as the rest of Adam, why didn't it just become another Adam? Why didn't Yahweh just create Eve the same way it created Adam without using a rib? If people were immortal before The Fall, why did they need to breathe life-sustaining oxygen or consume life-sustaining food and water in order to continue living? Did they have fully evolved digestive and respiratory systems? Did they need reproductive systems to reproduce? Why did Yahweh give carnivorous dinosaurs teeth suitable for tearing through meat if it created them before The Fall at a time when everything only ate plants? If human childbirth became painful because of The Fall, why is animal childbirth painful? If originally organisms reproduced but did not die and if The Fall hadn't happened, would the planet be covered in a thick mass of living insects, plants, animals and people by now? Why can't snakes talk anymore? Without any knowledge of the concept of clothing or nakedness, how did Adam and Eve decide where to put the fig leaves? Who was the mother of Cain's children? How does Yahweh feel about incest (Leviticus 20:17)? Where did the thriving community in the land of Nod come from (Genesis 4:16)? Why was Eve punished for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil if Yahweh gave the commandment to not eat from it (Genesis 2:17) before creating Eve (Genesis 2:22)? Why did angels need a sword to guard the entrance of the garden to keep Adam and Eve out (Genesis 3:24)? Does this garden, the angel guards, and the flaming sword still exist somewhere on Earth? Why hasn't anyone found it yet? Is it tiny? Is this story a good reason for opposing gay marriage? for subordinating women? for being so bothered by genitals and female nipples? for the sanctification and condemnation of the insertion of one body part into another body part? How is a child harmed by the sight of an adult female nipple? What benefit came from Yahweh's creating a tree of knowledge at all? Who received this benefit? Why would Yahweh put it in a place near people instead of somewhere inaccessible? Why was Satan given free reign to wander about Yahweh's perfect creation, tempting Yahweh's perfect creatures, when he had previously been cast into 'the pit' for his insurrection? Was it all a setup? Where was Yahweh when the snake was tempting Eve? Why did Yahweh make the talking snake at all? Why didn't Yahweh keep the talking snake away from Eve? The idea of Eden doesn't originate with the Hebrew Bible, but in earlier Mesopotamia, the home of ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Kassites, and Hebrews. The name Eden is not Hebrew but originates in another Semitic language, Akkadian. Edinu, or edin, meaning plain or uncultivated land 'Ala' means rib bone in Aramaic. 'Tsela' is what Genesis says Yahweh took from Adam to make Eve. It is translated as 'half' or 'side' in each of the other forty places it is used, but never 'rib'. That's because the translator was a misogynist who didn't want to give equal standing to women. 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Humans don't exactly "come from apes," because humans _are_ apes. The taxonomic group that we call apes (Hominoidea) consists of the most recent common ancestor of humans and gibbons, and all the descendants thereof.
Evolution does not negate creation, but it will destroy the inerrancy of the Bible. The Bible underwent several corruptions that introduced human understandings of things at these times. Time to face the truth.
As a slight correction, we do come from apes. Not extant apes, but we do have extinct ape ancestors, and monkey ancestors. You cannot evolve out of a clade, and we are in said clades because we descend from ancestors that were in said clades and, ultimately, were the originators of said clades, although information on the specific species is still developing. It is reliant on evidence that is pretty rare to come by, which is why we still have arguments over all sorts of dinosaur species, namely Spinosaurus. Need to find more needles in the haystacks, but the haystacks are the entire planet. As a really pedantic note, that I love tho, we're also technically fish, because you can't leave a clade and we do have fish in our ancestry. We are a type of tetrapod, a type of lobe-finned fish. Fish is a largely meaningless word when talking about these kinds of things there are fish species (the kinds that still have gills) that are more closely related to us than to other types of fishes, namely bony fish. Superficial similarities aside, they aren't that closely related to cartilaginous fish species, it's just convergent evolution. They are both in the ray-finned fish clade though. Lung fish are also in the lobe-finned fish clade with us, although they are not tetrapods. Whales are also tetrapods, and therefore lobe-finned fish, like all other mammals, and reptilians for that matter.
Just to be clear, since you cannot evolve out of a clade, we don't really "come from apes", we are apes. Just like we are primates and mammals and animals.
Thank you for the explanation of the common "Even" and "Adam" thing. I've been seeing this argument being used by apologists since my teens but i never really looked too deep into it. I just assumed christians were just making sheesh all up. But i guess they were just misinterpretating/misrepresenting data which is the second most thing for them, after making sheesh up
Thor's Hammer is also real. They even used it in some movies with Chris Hemsworth as Thor if I remember correctly. The Bible is just a book. Here we have evidence from Hollywood.
It's close to "Thou shalt not bear false witness", which is often taken to mean *against* thy neighbor, but I've also seen it interpreted as a prohibition against deceiving thy neighbor.
This young man has not studied his Bible well. It is Noah and his wife and not Adam and Eve that one would first end up with if the Bible was a historical narrative. But of course, I agree with Dan on his really good explaination. Thanks for that. Thomas
Well, no technically not. All the Y chromosomes had to come from Noah, since the only males were himself and his three sons. The daughters-in-law would have had their mitochondrial DNA come from someone other than Noah's wife.
The mitochondrial and y-chromosome lines don't just die out because of individuals that have no children; these lines also end whenever a man has no sons or a woman has no daughters.
I was interested to see what whacky answer they had for the garden of eden. Come on, if they are saying something stupid let them finish so we can all get a good laugh.
How did God make an original man who had no background, no experiences, no memory of any relationships, no language.If God just infused it Adam still can't say I remember when.
The young earther must believe that Cain and Abel had incestuous relationships with unnamed sisters (as some early Christians apparently believed). Somehow this gets glossed over in the pathological determination to read into the Biblical stories historicity that the authors probably never dreamed anyone would latch onto, since that was not the point of the stories.
Y-MRCA Adam is dated to 200,000 to 300,000 years ago, with some more recent studies pinning it to around 275000 years ago. Meanwhile, the mt-MRCA is estimated to be around 155,000 years ago, so... no.
I could listen to Dan say "No they haven't" and "No they didn't" to people all day long.
Well, actually, they did, but couldn't get past the angel dude with a flaming sword, so it was a functionally meaningless and impractical discovery. :)
@@Limited_Light lol
@@Limited_Lightwhat?
Plus "laughably wrong "
Eve name literally means the mother of all living
I like how he slipped in " and this was 6,000 years ago " out of nowhere
verbally palming a card into his spiel
Yes, they do this a lot. I remember John Lennox having a reasonable and entertaining talk with Dawkins on the Kalam about first causes, etc. Then out of nowhere in his closing, he was thereforing Jesus is lord and died on the cross for your sins. It’s a tactic, pure and simple.
@@danjohnston9037 Creationists are very practiced in finding factoids that fit their narrative, while ignoring or distorting everything else in the studies they found those those factoids in.
Yeah, it's like "Okay, reasonable misunderstanding of the concept of Mitochondrial Eve and Y-Chromosome Adam, I've heard it before. Got to correct him, but it's not too ... WTF? Where did that come from?"
@danjohnston9037 The 6000 years are the dates from the Genesis up until now when u add all the dates, etc. Adds to roughly 6000, maybe 7000 yrs, so they are just using the data that recorded in the bible to come to that conclusion
@@cedricgaming5106 Yeah, obviously, but it started out as if he was just misunderstanding the actual research and then suddenly it was blatant "and the Bible says"
..."Also, archeologists have discovered the location of the Garden of Eden." ROFL. 🤣
And then Dan goes on to say "No, they haven't" without further explanation.
There is a worthwhile principle here that made my life better when I figured it out. Each idiot gets one careful response to one idiotic statement. The second idiotic statement gets a short answer like Dan's "no they haven't", and then that idiot gets ignored forever after. Making an idiotic statement is much less work than making the careful response, so if you respond to too many of the idiot's idiotic statements, they win because you run out of time to write rebuttals.
It’s in Missouri! 😂
I would love to see an in-depth *scientific* discussion about this.
My personal hypothesis is that the myth records the flooding of the Persian Gulf ca. 15000 BP with the fruit of knowledge referring to the development of agriculture. This is mostly conjecture on my part, however there was a human presence there at the time: _New Light on Human Prehistory in the Arabo-Persian Gulf Oasis,_ J. I. Rose, *Current Anthropology,* 2010
"no they don't" "no they haven't" 😂😂😂😂
That which is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
@@chadkent327 Dan slaughters apologists
Dan isn't having any of it, so much so that he didn't share his fit of Batman Beyond! 😂 One of the best animated shows, by the way.
to be fair, if you start talking about 'Bat Men' in a video about common ancestry, it's just going to confuse most creationists.
I know, right. But to be fair that fit was from The Batman movie not Batman Beyond. 😀
Batman is one of the greatest animated show, at least in the English speaking world. Along with Samurai Jack (but they barely spoke in that one. LOL). And Exosquad. Sorry got derailed for a minute. What were we talkign about? Oh that's right.. Adam & Eve MRCAs.
@@kalitor Ah. The red made me think Batman Beyond.
@@metroidtheorist466 I know. It throws me off too.
"I'm not mad, I'm disappointed" is my favorite flavor Dan.
I also like, "No, I'm good."
I love when theists are so desperate to have science back them up that they will just blatantly lie about it. It's very telling for their worldview.
All while conveniently ignoring the idea that if we all descend from two people who lived mated, and produced children 6K years ago, we're all the produce of "forbidden close family relations", shall we say, and we all commit those "forbidden close family relations". They also ignore where all the other genes we carry came from.
"In the world but not part of the world" means desperately using secular language and frameworks to bolster unprovable faith claims.
It's okay when you're lying for jesus.
It’s more a problem of not understanding, in my opinion. They hear Eve, and think scientists háve found the real eve. They are not familiar with the evolution theory, and jump to wrong conclusions.
@@jannetteberends8730you can write that bit down to just misunderstanding, but the claim that genetics points to our maternal and paternal MRCAs existing only 6000 years ago is a blatant lie and calls into question how much of the rest is genuine misunderstanding and now just lies and intentional half truths
“No they haven’t.” Made my day.
After Project 2025 is implemented, this kid will be a high school science teacher.
@@djfrank68 What is project 2025?!
@@NorbertKasko It is the Heritage Foundation's plan if tRump is elected. Scary stuff, but millions of Americans don't care or actually want to live in a Handmaids Tale world.
@@NorbertKasko I tried to explain, but my comment seems to have been deleted. I suggest you search it.
@@NorbertKasko test
"So you accept evolution"
- "I only accept the parts that serves my narrative"
It's fascinating how we give power to stories, then these stories have power over us. Deconstructing the story is key to change.
That's certainly part of it.
In this sort of case I'd argue that one needs to be able to critically analyze their social circumstance first.
It's difficult to deconstruct a story when you've tied your social identity to believing the story is true.
I used to study History, in search of Truth. But Truth is subjective, elusive, and ephemeral. I found that What Happened is irrelevant, but What We Say Happened, the stories we tell ourselves, helps to define our culture.
ATM we argue about what the Founding Fathers intended when they devised a government that saluted freedom and democracy while allowing these rights to be restricted to a minority.
(For more fun, explain the terms "free white person" and "citizen" in the Naturalization Act of 1790.)
The need to believe everything in the Bible is true, is frightening
The world would’ve been a better place if YHWH had remained as a place name and if gender based Duotheism were to become the predominant form of religion.
Dan believes in the Bible
@@TheNerdyBrew Believing the Bible exists and is interesting is quite different than believing it is historically accurate, univocal, and inerrant.
Yes and no but more importantly he doesn't believe in any miracles by Jesus,walking dead,etc and he's ridiculed those saying those are facts @TheNerdyBrew
@@TheNerdyBrew "Dan believes in the Bible"
...considering that he's made a career out of studying many of them. Yes, the Bible in the context of being a collection of books, is a thing.
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Humans are apes and thus necessarily come from apes, since that's how taxonomy works.
Taxonomically, humans just ARE apes (Hominoidae), so in that sense, yes, we also come from apes. Pretty sure the original author meant "current day apes, not including humans", but what they said was technically correct. (Only in this specific instance of course, not the 6000 years and other stuff.)
Personally, I enjoy being an ape. It would suck to be a canine and have to use my mouth to pick things up.
Depends on how you're conceiving of "coming from". You don't refer to yourself as coming from your house while you're still in it.
@@ZahaqielFair point. Although I could say that I come from my parents, who are also apes.
@@daniellamcgee4251 You could. But we wouldn't say gorillas "come from apes", so we probably shouldn't say humans do either. It creates ambiguity that actively helps people who want to spread misinformation.
As a current biologist who once TA'd intro biology at college, I just want to say kudos for explaining MRCA so well. Mad respect for doing all the necessary readings in the various scientific fields you need to do in order to explain and debunk the huge variety of misinformation floating out there.
I've seen actual biologists explain this with less eloquence.
America’s educational system is either embarrassing or the dogma has taken over his brain.
Both can be true.
Dogma trumps science in the minds of the brainwashed.
@@rainbowkrampus Agreed, and how sad it is.
@@26beegee All these children need is a requirement of humanities in the educational system, and a better program of science.
@@rainbowkrampus came here to say that
It’s always astonishing to me to see how these people can get up so confidently and lie about subjects they have never studied
We need a Dan for every academic discipline
For the first time ever, I’ve discovered a channel worthy of consistent “thumbs up”. Thanks Dan!
Gonna be pretty hard to explain how we managed to be the children of two people who lived thousands of years apart.
“Thousands of years” undersells the problem. Mitochondrial Eve is estimated to have lived somewhere around 155,000 years ago, and Y-chromosome Adam is estimated to have lived around 200,000 to 300,000 years ago. (Those numbers are from about 10 years ago; these f anyone has more recent studies showing an age, obviously I defer to that.)
He's a young Earth creationist. The idea that there was such a period as 200k years ago is inconceivable to him.
meanwhile, the latest universal common ancester lives on the second floor, upstairs of Tom's Diner
Sure there have been lots of people named Adam and Eve but, they weren’t the first homo sapiens. 🤪
Dan, your on line reactions are the best. Thank you for the laughs this morning 😂
He was well McClellaned 😂😂😂
I thought Humans were technically considered Apes. So we dont come from Apes because we are Apes
Yes, I think they had some terminology issues, there. Obviously, humans are animals, mammals, and primates, and we're also categorized as apes, but we're not other living apes, so we're not gorillas or orangutans, for example. Given all the other things the guy was horribly wrong about, I'm actually willing to forgive this one, sort of. The very next step of "once they took apes out of the equation", though, brings it right back up.
We are the 5th ape.
Do you also watch Clint's Reptiles? Or some other biology youtuber?
Biologists formerly made a distinction between humans and the other members of _Hominoidea_ but no longer do. Humans are apes.
Oh! Oh! Were the flaming swords still there?
😅😅😅😂
Swear tik tok has to stop
I am a firm believer that people have always been this nuts.
Having a readily available public view into the nuttiness was not a good idea.
@@dwightdhansen I know right
it's not tiktok, it's people. tiktok is just a platform, like this one
@@Fire-Toolz 😂 ik
TikTok allows spread of those crazy disinformation but it also allows spread of scholars like Dan addressing said information. I think it’s net good. I think it bursts social bubbles, in a similar, if not better way than RUclips does.
Apparently loads of us are related to Ghengis Khan😊
Another MASTERFUL "DAN-SLAP".
Let me guess, Eden was located by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers? Wow, how shocking.
To make it more clear, a Y-MCRA is an ancestor that *applies only to the Y chromosome* . We have 23 chromosomes (two set of which, one from each parent). The mt-MRCA is an ancestor that *applies only to the mitochondria* . We have _other MCRA_ in our DNA, who were different people than the Y-MCRA and mt-MCRA.
I was wondering about this. Thanks.
But because we only have one copy of those two types, the only changes come from mutations, and therefore tracking how far back those two MRCA were is just a matter of maths, while the rest of our chromosomes have two copies and recombine. I actually have no idea if we have any idea who and when those other ones were, or even if it's possible to find out now. Like, right now the commercial DNA test businesses sometimes get your degree of relation wrong when matching you with relatives, and that's for people whose MRCA was like great-great grandparents, not pre-history
Last I heard, the ancestral Adam and Eve were separated by thousands of years, so again, none of that has anything to do with Bible stories.
Humans lived longer then. Ancestral Adam was created first, waited around jerking his meat for thousands of years, then Even was created from his rib.
Checkmate.
So far, the earliest Homo sapiens fossil is over 300,000 years old, found in Morocco. And that individual had parents.
Weird that I learned all this tangentially because I played Parasite Eve on the first PlayStation all those years ago.
Lmao, yep. 😅
Dan's like "Ummm, no." 😂
For once, as someone who studied Archaeology and Biology (both with a thesis in human evolution) I feel justified to share my own insights. Unfortunately, I don't really have much to add, because Dan explained it really well. Perhaps a small thing: the fact we talk about a Y-chromosomal Adam and a mitochondrial Eve has nothing to do with the importance of those bits of DNA. In fact, they're relatively unimportant small bits. The problem is that all our (other) chromosomes get mixed all the time when we reproduce, so we can't trace them back to a single line. This Adam and Eve are only "more related" to current humans with respect to the Y-chromosome or mitochondria, not in any other way. So it's not exactly like our uniquely shared grandpa/grandma.
Yeah, that's the only bit that I think Dan messed up a bit. It's not that those other lines are completely extinct, it's that the straight paternal or straight maternal line fails. Not by having no kids necessarily, but by not having the right sex of kids.
Simplest way to think about it for most Westerners is the traditional surnames - you get them from your father, so if a someone only has daughters, the name doesn't carry on in that line.
@@jeffmacdonald9863 That's more clear than what I said, thanks :).
It's weird to consider that there are people who feel their religion is strengthened by telling outright lies.
"Mitochondrial Noah's Unnamed Wife."
Eh, that doesn't quite have the same ring to it.
Noah's sons didn't have to marry their sisters, so it would be Mitocondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Noah... but that doesn't really check out either.
The question is always, is this video creator merely gullible and repeating lies he heard elsewhere, or is he deliberately lying?
he seems gullible enough to rule out deliberate lying.
@@bengreen171 😂
I gotchu Dan! Ahem:
"And the fit for today's video is, 'Batman Beyond'".
I pray to the gods for this level of unearned confidence, to spout sheer nonsense unrestrained by any level of humility or decency.
"Scientists have proven that existence began when I time traveled back to the dawn of life, got drunk on Zimas I picked up from 1988, and passed out in the primordial soup."
Also, pretty sure neither of the two most recent common ancestors lived in the Middle East.
I laughed so hard now for your short, to the point, factual answers that my dog stood up and found another place where he could sleep in peace.
🤣🤣😆😆😂😂
Boom! 💣Thanks Dan!
Some religious groups believe Eden was here in the USA, specifically Missouri.
Thanks for the great laugh, today, I need it! and I agree with MrBlakeD82. You should sample those phrases and maybe somebody could make a song, like the Man in Finance.
My Father's line will go extinct because I never had any children (male or otherwise) . His Brother's line may have, but I'm not sure. His Sister never married or had children. Their brother died before getting married and/or having children.
I remember as a teen(?) my dad angsting a little about how the [surname] line was going to end with him because Mum had the audacity to give *her* surname to my brother who was born after their split. Aside from it's kind of weird to value the continuity of a fairly common name (from an ethnicity very common here) over continuity of emotional ties, or even genes, at this point I don't think my brother *will* be having kids, so even if he had been given Dad's name that line would still be ending very soon
I get that the concept of MRCA is hard to grasp, but to completely misunderstand it this way is baffling.
Almost intentional, one might say
@@larrywest42 Yes, it can pretty much only be either blatant dishonesty, or a complete lack of any science education.
I was hoping you would explain the whole thing in terms of cladistics. Anyway, it is currently believed that gorillas, orangutans, and the three species of chimpanzee (chimps, bonobos, and humans), are a crown group clade we call "the living great apes." It is also believed that the MRCA of our clade was also a great ape. So, humans did evolve from a great ape and of course also remain great apes. Luv your show!
If we all came from one man and one woman, I would be a banjo strumming gawd!
You are the best! ❤
Love the intelligent information.!
When I see apologists like this, I wonder if they are simply profoundly ignorant of the topic, or if they are knowingly lying. Either way, dishonesty is involved, because remaining entirely ignorant about a topic you are pretending to be knowledgeable in, is a CHOICE. It probably takes 15 minutes on the Internet to educate yourself sufficiently on this topic to not believe that geneticists have concluded that the most recent human common ancestor existed 6,000 years ago. The fact that this apologist has CHOSEN to not educate himself speaks to his intellectual honesty.
Do we know how recently the last person NOT descended for the two most recent common ancestors of all CURRENTLY living people died? Because by the logic of the original video, for long periods of human history, there were people living on Earth who did not descend from Adam and Eve...
I brought up that point in a comment discussion with Andrew Loke - it turns out he doesn't care about the obvious connotations both to his theology and moral framework. It's funny how sometimes theists don't care about things that happened a long time ago, and sometimes they regard them as the most important things ever.
It’s tough to know, really. Firstly, if their line is extinct, we would have to get that information from their bones (well, their teeth, to be pedantic). So we are limited by the accident of their discovery.
Secondly, and more importantly, I don’t think anyone has actually done that study; so if you happen to be fishing around for a PhD topic, you might have nailed a really good idea.
It should be noted that ‘Adam’ and ‘Eve’ are not fixed individuals; as branches die out the Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve would shift as they’re just nicknames for the two MRCAs. Similarly, if we found a hitherto undiscovered tribe in the Amazon, they’d shift back to the MRCA that the tribe shares with the rest of us.
@@lordofuzkulak8308 Yes, that's a great point. Actually, the exact identity of which concrete past individuals happen to be the most recent common ancestors in a given moment might change literally every single time someone dies.
"the two most recent common ancestors of all CURRENTLY living people died?" - our most recent common ancestors, for all humans, are not the Y-ancestor and the mt-ancestor. We have ancestors who live on in our 22 autosomes, and they are more recent than the Y-ancestor and the mt-ancestor.
Really enjoyed geneticist Bryan Sykes' "7 Daughters of Eve." Pretty much backs up what Dan is saying here.
It really shouldn't be on them to have to worry about how the ignorant interpret their work, but I wonder if science communicators should take a moratorium on using religious metaphors to label scientific theories and discoveries--God particle, Mitochondrial Eve, etc. It gives these delusional apologists fuel for their nonsense.
I'll say it again, I'm loving your videos!! Keep 'em straight!!
It doesn't really make sense to say that humans "come from apes" since humans are still classified among the great apes (hominids). It's a bit like saying "orangutans come from apes" when orangutans actually just are apes. But we prefer to not see other living creatures as part of our extended family because if we were just another species of animal, it would hurt our pride.
Before social media our boy there would have been shaking a fry basket or rockin the slurpee machine. Now they are influencers. 😆 The internet was a mistake. It was a tool for education and collaboration which turned into every short-bus riding peasant's megaphone. Thanks DARPA!
I always trust a man with a thick golden chain and baseball cap when it comes to genetics.
Always!!!
There is no univocality in the bible, but amazingly there is quite some univocality in apologists, in that almost all of them use exactly the same arguments, quite often down to the same examples.
So one has to make up a story to harmonize the matrilineal and patrilineal MRCAs with the young-Earth-creation myth. That's fine if you're writing a fantasy novel or story. It doesn't cut it if you're trying to base your faith on valid hypotheses. In fact, given the utter lack of evidence for a historical Adam and Eve, and their Fall, the entire edifice of Christian theology begins to fall to pieces. Without the doctrine of Original Sin, there's no need for a Savior to rescue humanity from anything. In short, if you want to follow Jesus, you have to construct a whole new basis for doing so. I submit that if one is so inclined, it's possible to do this. However, there are other moral teachers that can also fill the role of exemplar, so you have choices. And this is not necessarily a bad thing. Thoughts?
Why do these people lie so much?
I think either
• it wins them clout in their community,
• their own faith is weak and they need the affirmation from their followers, or
• they're grifting
Amazingly well explained.
One thing I like to add whenever I explain this subject is that MRCAs are an extremely normal thing. Pretty much every significant genetic mutation that is shared among one species and not present in another, most likely originated from a single ancestor. For example, if there's a particular neurotoxin in a particular viper species' venom, that is not present in species that are most closely related to this one, then there most likely was a single viper, let's call it Toxic Timmy, which was the first to introduce this gene to the population. Another trivial example is viruses - all covid 19 cases are caused by viruses that can be traded to a single cell in a single something, which mutated and started producing the specific coronavirus strain we know and "love" today.
The only significant thing about the Mitochondrial Eve and the Y Adam is that the particular genetic code found in all humans, whose most likely origin is a single ancestor, happens to be specifically in genetic material passed down from female and male parents respectively - mitochondrial DNA is passed down through the eggs, i.e. from the mother, while the Y chromosome is obviously passed down from the father. But there are thousands of other peculiar snippets of genetic code in our DNA that could be reasonably deduced to have come from their respective Snippety Stephen... or Stephanie, because those snippets could have come from either male or female.
Tldr nothing particularly amazing about this discovery, it's a normal thing in nature, move on.
The king of Tyre had his own Garden of Eden, according to Dan.
Adam and Eve
Was there really once a man named Adam, a woman named Eve, a talking snake, and a Garden called Eden where they lived? Were the man and woman made simultaneously (Genesis 1:27) or was Eve made out of Adam's rib (Genesis 2:21)? If Eve was made later, did Adam initially have reproductive organs or were they added later too?
If Yahweh made the universe from nothing, why did it need one of Adam's ribs in order to make Eve? As the rib contained the same genes as the rest of Adam, why didn't it just become another Adam? Why didn't Yahweh just create Eve the same way it created Adam without using a rib?
If people were immortal before The Fall, why did they need to breathe life-sustaining oxygen or consume life-sustaining food and water in order to continue living? Did they have fully evolved digestive and respiratory systems? Did they need reproductive systems to reproduce? Why did Yahweh give carnivorous dinosaurs teeth suitable for tearing through meat if it created them before The Fall at a time when everything only ate plants? If human childbirth became painful because of The Fall, why is animal childbirth painful?
If originally organisms reproduced but did not die and if The Fall hadn't happened, would the planet be covered in a thick mass of living insects, plants, animals and people by now?
Why can't snakes talk anymore? Without any knowledge of the concept of clothing or nakedness, how did Adam and Eve decide where to put the fig leaves?
Who was the mother of Cain's children? How does Yahweh feel about incest (Leviticus 20:17)? Where did the thriving community in the land of Nod come from (Genesis 4:16)?
Why was Eve punished for eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil if Yahweh gave the commandment to not eat from it (Genesis 2:17) before creating Eve (Genesis 2:22)?
Why did angels need a sword to guard the entrance of the garden to keep Adam and Eve out (Genesis 3:24)? Does this garden, the angel guards, and the flaming sword still exist somewhere on Earth? Why hasn't anyone found it yet? Is it tiny?
Is this story a good reason for opposing gay marriage? for subordinating women? for being so bothered by genitals and female nipples? for the sanctification and condemnation of the insertion of one body part into another body part? How is a child harmed by the sight of an adult female nipple?
What benefit came from Yahweh's creating a tree of knowledge at all? Who received this benefit? Why would Yahweh put it in a place near people instead of somewhere inaccessible? Why was Satan given free reign to wander about Yahweh's perfect creation, tempting Yahweh's perfect creatures, when he had previously been cast into 'the pit' for his insurrection? Was it all a setup? Where was Yahweh when the snake was tempting Eve? Why did Yahweh make the talking snake at all? Why didn't Yahweh keep the talking snake away from Eve?
The idea of Eden doesn't originate with the Hebrew Bible, but in earlier Mesopotamia, the home of ancient Sumerians, Babylonians, Akkadians, Assyrians, Kassites, and Hebrews. The name Eden is not Hebrew but originates in another Semitic language, Akkadian. Edinu, or edin, meaning plain or uncultivated land
'Ala' means rib bone in Aramaic. 'Tsela' is what Genesis says Yahweh took from Adam to make Eve. It is translated as 'half' or 'side' in each of the other forty places it is used, but never 'rib'. That's because the translator was a misogynist who didn't want to give equal standing to women.
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Humans don't exactly "come from apes," because humans _are_ apes. The taxonomic group that we call apes (Hominoidea) consists of the most recent common ancestor of humans and gibbons, and all the descendants thereof.
These apologist loses more people by deliberately deceiving people
But this creator keeps refering to the greatest scientist of all, Dr. Trustmebro!
Evolution does not negate creation, but it will destroy the inerrancy of the Bible. The Bible underwent several corruptions that introduced human understandings of things at these times. Time to face the truth.
Well technically Phylogenicists class humans among the great apes...
OMG, you can’t make this madness up 🙈
We didn’t descend from apes we are apes. It’s like saying when did dogs descend from canines
Is that Alonso?
As a slight correction, we do come from apes. Not extant apes, but we do have extinct ape ancestors, and monkey ancestors. You cannot evolve out of a clade, and we are in said clades because we descend from ancestors that were in said clades and, ultimately, were the originators of said clades, although information on the specific species is still developing. It is reliant on evidence that is pretty rare to come by, which is why we still have arguments over all sorts of dinosaur species, namely Spinosaurus. Need to find more needles in the haystacks, but the haystacks are the entire planet.
As a really pedantic note, that I love tho, we're also technically fish, because you can't leave a clade and we do have fish in our ancestry. We are a type of tetrapod, a type of lobe-finned fish. Fish is a largely meaningless word when talking about these kinds of things there are fish species (the kinds that still have gills) that are more closely related to us than to other types of fishes, namely bony fish. Superficial similarities aside, they aren't that closely related to cartilaginous fish species, it's just convergent evolution. They are both in the ray-finned fish clade though. Lung fish are also in the lobe-finned fish clade with us, although they are not tetrapods. Whales are also tetrapods, and therefore lobe-finned fish, like all other mammals, and reptilians for that matter.
Just to be clear, since you cannot evolve out of a clade, we don't really "come from apes", we are apes.
Just like we are primates and mammals and animals.
And the flaming sword+angels are still there garding the entrance? That would be pretty convincing evidence.
Thank you for the explanation of the common "Even" and "Adam" thing. I've been seeing this argument being used by apologists since my teens but i never really looked too deep into it. I just assumed christians were just making sheesh all up. But i guess they were just misinterpretating/misrepresenting data which is the second most thing for them, after making sheesh up
Before even watching the video I'm gonna go way out on a limb and say...
No
Thor's Hammer is also real. They even used it in some movies with Chris Hemsworth as Thor if I remember correctly. The Bible is just a book. Here we have evidence from Hollywood.
Also, scientists say that cat's in fact have 9 lives.
You always have to place these guys somewhere on the liar-stupidity scale.
It’s also true that humans didn’t come from apes, because we ARE apes…
Okay, but I have to admit I don't think I've been a *great* ape.
Adam? I think he probably meant Genghis Khan...
Just think if one of the 10 commandments was “ don’t pretend to know things you don’t know”.
It's close to "Thou shalt not bear false witness", which is often taken to mean *against* thy neighbor, but I've also seen it interpreted as a prohibition against deceiving thy neighbor.
This young man has not studied his Bible well. It is Noah and his wife and not Adam and Eve that one would first end up with if the Bible was a historical narrative.
But of course, I agree with Dan on his really good explaination. Thanks for that.
Thomas
Well, no technically not. All the Y chromosomes had to come from Noah, since the only males were himself and his three sons. The daughters-in-law would have had their mitochondrial DNA come from someone other than Noah's wife.
@@keith6706 Oh well, you are right. But this makes Dan's explanation more clear. The common male ancestor appeared later than the female one.
Thomas
The mitochondrial and y-chromosome lines don't just die out because of individuals that have no children; these lines also end whenever a man has no sons or a woman has no daughters.
I think it would be great if our MRCA was traced farther back and was a pre homosapiens.
Well done, Dan!
Did not know that.
I was interested to see what whacky answer they had for the garden of eden. Come on, if they are saying something stupid let them finish so we can all get a good laugh.
I love Dan so much.
How did God make an original man who had no background, no experiences, no memory of any relationships, no language.If God just infused it Adam still can't say I remember when.
We are the 5th ape who evolved with the other 4 great apes from a common ancestor.
The short answer: Haha no.
Buddy made a mistake: Y Chromosome Adam would not have been Adam. By definition, if you believe the Bible, it had to have been Noah.
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The young earther must believe that Cain and Abel had incestuous relationships with unnamed sisters (as some early Christians apparently believed).
Somehow this gets glossed over in the pathological determination to read into the Biblical stories historicity that the authors probably never dreamed anyone would latch onto, since that was not the point of the stories.
But seriously: What's wrong with that guy??
Y-MRCA Adam is dated to 200,000 to 300,000 years ago, with some more recent studies pinning it to around 275000 years ago. Meanwhile, the mt-MRCA is estimated to be around 155,000 years ago, so... no.
Woah woah woah we just glossing over Eden like that!?