Iirc too in the Odyssey his mom didn't just die waiting for him, she saw what happened and threw herself off the cliffs of Ithica in despair thinking she'd just watched her son die, which makes her part in The Underworld that much more depressing 😭
As far as I know, Zeus isn't smashing the sun god. Rather, Helios just threatened to basically turn off the sun if Zeus didn't go punish them. And maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason he didn't do it himself is because Helios actually is the sun, not the god of the sun. Whereas someone like Poseidon is the god of the sea, not actually the sea itself.
Yup yup it should be like that from what I remember. Also yes, Helios isn't the sun god because he's a titan, so he embodies the sun basically. The sun god is Apollo (among loads of other stuff lolol)
"I don't know who you is" That's perimedes he doesn't love anyone and is seriously messed up in the head according to some cut songs. He's also the dude who stabs Ody in the back during Mutiny
@@miketyler7179 yea, they were planned to be boyfriends. I even headcanon that one of the reasons perimedes is the one to stab ody is a way to finally get revenge for the loss of his bf
"Can you guys tell me how many are left?" After this saga, one. That was my first thought. Haha. Specifically Odysseus commanded 12 ships each with a crew of 50 men. 7 of his ship's men died to the cyclops, 550 died when their ships were sank by Poseidon (Laestyrgonians in the original Odyssey.), one died on Circe's island offscreen, so at the start of this story he was down to 42 men, then 6 died to Scylla, dropping that to 36 men. And then, well, yeah.
@@Hardleyhecklingapparently according to other comments I have read the red looked better compositionally, I believe Gwendy talks about it, I could be wrong.
I didnt like Eurylochus initially. From wanting to raid the lotus island before they had even set foot on it, in Full Speed Ahead To showing signs of doubt in Luck Runs Out in his friend/captain/brother-in-law/KING at the very first sign of failure (because Odysseus is right, he took 600 men to war and not one of them died. It wasnt until they faced a literal MONSTER, while they were close to starving no less, that they lost anyone, and even then, only 7 people died) To wanting to just leave their comrades at Circes and run in Puppeteer. He irked me. But i gotta be honest, Mutiny changed that for me entirely. Yes, he opened the windbag, and thay was very much not cool. But the storm would never have been a problem in the first place if Odysseus hadnt given Polyphemus his name and let him live. And yeah, Eurylochus wanted to leave the men that had been cursed, and just take the ones they had left and run, but she was a witch and theyre mortals. He had nonway of knowing Hermes would come out of nowhere and decide to lend a hand and he wasn't openly sacrificing them, he just didn't think it possible to save them. Odysseus just openly sacrificed his men, even though Eurylochus was the only one (at least in lyrics) that actually did anything to earn Odysseus' ire. And i can 100% see why they rebelled against him after that. And as for the whole slaying the cow thing, my take on it isnt Eurylochus decided hunger was too great, its because he'd given up. He doesn't believe they're going to make it home. He's lost literally hundreds of friends and his friend has become a monster in his eyes, willing to sacrifice anyone including them to get hime. He's tired. He's done. And i think he knew damn well the consequences that came with killing the cow and was ready to die. I think thats why he doesn't fight back when Odysseus sacrifices them. Because while he may not WANT to die, hes too tired to keep going they way they have and hes given up. I cant NOT feel bad for him after everything. He too was just a man, and he had his failings like the rest of them.
@@MarteKrug Zeus says, "Pride is a damsel in distress." Whenever Zeus says, "her", he is referring to Odysseus' pride. Zeus was also definitely, in this animatic, manipulating Odysseus to sacrifice his crew by alluding to Penelope in the clouds and the "take the suffering from you" part.
wanted to comment here: okay, so the phrase "stuck between a rock and a hard place" is pretty much from the scylla thing. its not covered in epic, but the safe path is actually a narrow strip of sea between scylla (sea monster #1) and a giant whirlpool called charybdis (sea monster #2). if you sail slightly closer to scylla, she takes 6 men, but if you sail slightly closer to charybdis, you are at extreme risk of losing your entire ship. thats the cost ody was talking about: risk his entire crew or 6 people. the others don't hear the siren tell ody this, bc he's the one reading her lips while the others (also with beeswax in their ears) are handling the other sirens. later in the song scylla, you can see ody is brooding, likely having to make the terrible choice of who to sacrifice to get them through. and then eurylochus confesses and ody decides to make eury unknowingly choose who's going to die, likely as a way to punish him. while eury keeps a torch for himself in the animatic, ody didn't ACTUALLY tell him to keep one, just pick who had the 6 torches. welcome to the fam. *hugs* emotional damage comes with cookies, here.
Ody learned from his mistakes. He messed with something a god cared for and 558 men died. On mutiny he is watching his crew make the same mistakes he did and he knows what's gonna happen ti them because of it
There are 3 sagas left to be released. Wisdom, vengeance and Ithica. Wisdom comes out on the 30th of August 2024 the last 2 release date hasn't been given
The thing is only two or three of the men were responsible for the windbag, the rest were just bystanders. And the mutiny was because Ody was just sacrificing his own men so how were they supposed to trust him after that? What if during the next obstacle, if there is one, he wanted to sacrifice more of them? He’d already proven that he’s willing to do it. (And does end up doing it.) So I still feel bad for them. They didn’t deserve to be obliterated by lightning. It’s actually a great example how there’s not an 100% good guy in most Greek myths. And how Ody’s hubris with the cyclops was the first domino that ended up killing his entire crew.
Ody and the crew in the source material survived from raiding and after such a long war, unable to get home, the only way he can take care of his family and his kingdom is keeping the fame of his name alive. That's why it takes the suitors 20 years to finally run out of patience. Also, he got the favor of Aeolus as a workaround and they were on sight of home when a certain hypocritical someone betrayed him for pure greed. After being the one advocating against every single plan. Let's just raid instead of asking for food; lets not save the piggies from Cercei; let's not ask for help from Aeolus because the gods are dangerous... So dangerous, such a bad idea to mess with them. I'll prove it. Give me the bag, let me open it and see how everyone gets killed. Great idea, right? He challenges Ody in every single instance. Yeah, they didn't fight Scylla, but if they would, there would be even more dead. Poseidon keeps blocking any other way home with storms, they can't fish because fish live in the ocean, they don't have the numbers to keep raiding. Is going home or dying. Not only he rebels in mutiny. He has no plan whatsoever. He strays the ship, he chooses to yet again ignore Ody's advice, he kills Apollo's cattle and then turns to his "Captain" to come up with a plan and save then. When it is too late and they have to face the consequences of his actions, they expect the man they betrayed and literally backstabbed to sacrifice himself for them. Ody lost 14 man to the cyclops. He sacrificed 6 men. It was Eurylochus with his terrible decisions who got everyone else killed... Except for Elpenor.
You should listen to Hadestown!! It’s a fantastic musical that is also based off greek mythology. But pleaseee listen in order it will just not hit properly if you don’t.
I don’t think you understand what Odysseus did… like his men betrayed him for money or greed maybe distrust on Odysseus? But he straight up said you six are the cost of getting back home and I will paid ANYTHING price so all of them are expendable to him and yep they can no longer trust Odysseus 😪 Edit: but also yeah they killed the cow I AM NOT sacrificing myself for them I would have made the exact same decision 😢
To be fair to Eury, they had essentially spirits whispering in their head that the Captain's bag WAS treasure for 9 days. The crew was losing trust, if not Eury, it would have been someone else, after all his entire ship of 50 people, and other ships, were plotting. Eury's character is used to voice the concerns and thoughts of the crew Eury's actions maybe could have been avoided had Odysseus actually confided in Eury. Eury was commanded not just to not openly question him, but simply to NOT question him. That was a huge moment, it was THE moment everything was doomed to fall apart. Eury stuck by Ody longer than he should have
Odysseus was unusually cruel with the execution method of the sirens, all he had to do was behead them and let them die instantly instead of forcing them to suffer. At this point he was doing more than just trying to kill them, he wanted them to suffer. When you think about it, the sirens *need* to kill humans to eat and live, so this entire thing of: "Well they tried to kill us so we're allowed to torture them!" is not really applicable because they weren't killing for fun, they were killing out of necessity.
"IS HE SMASHING THE SUN GOD?!" no lmao, Zeus and Helios are not hooking up. He said pride is she the she in question upfront. Zeus is the god of judgement so that's why he arrived to deal punishment.
Ohhh of you want to see a very good Scylla animation I recommend "Gigi", "Anti tigerfly" and "Virus AP" And watch the trailer of the new saga that is coming 🙂
Zeus literally was just calling Pride a woman he'd tear apart that entire song. The sun god is his son, like the Cyclops he cried to Daddy when Odysseus hurt his friends. Difference in work ethic: Took Poseidon about nine days at least to get around to it, he's a busy guy. Zeus was there in record time because he has nothing better to do than mess around.
Eurilicus was supposed to be one of sacrifices…but when the other guy picked up the torch he dropped then he was the one who died instead….so Eurilicus cause another man to die
I mean.. Ody did also betray his men in the lair of Scylla by sacrificing six men instead of trying to find a work-around and then Ody tried to kill his second in command for being upset that he did so. Im not trying to say that Ody is the worst devil of a man in the series but like you said before it's nice to know both sides. Also, hunger has made people do many terrible things like even eating eachother, plus Eurylochus seemed to be pretty suicidal in the end, fully believing that he was never going to make it home.
There is no "Work around". It's either 6 dead to Scylla or all of them dead to Charybdis or Poseidon. Also he's not killing Eury because he disagreed, he's fighting because Eury is trying to kill him.
@@theskeptic1065To be fair, Ody could’ve just told them that there would be six people to die since he knew, which would’ve allowed the crew to be sacrificed on their own behalf rather than not telling them anything and just letting them die without a single say in the matter. There was a work around just not for them surviving without casualties
It was both Odysseus and Eurylocus who killed the men Odysseus didn’t kill the cyclops which made Poseidon do it which made the wind god make the storm that made them seek their help which gave them the bag which Eurylocus opened and Odysseus should’ve told Eurylocus what the game was with the wind god but he doesn’t which grew mistrust among them which made everything unfold like it did
Tbh i don't think it's Eurylochus's fault for 500+ men dying by Poseidon's hand. That's on Ody for doxxing himself to the Cyclops. If they had made it home, Poseidon would've been waiting for them at home, ready to kill the entire kingdom if necessary. He'd find where Ithaca is, he's a god. What Eurylochus DID do tho is extend their journey and practically made them go to the Underworld. So yeah, still not good lol
Idk about Helios, but Zeus is hella weird if he's smashing Apollo, considering Apollo's one of Zeus' children.. but I mean, Zeus IS smashing his sister, so ig I wouldn't be too surprised-
13:29 That's why I should stop seeing thunder saga reacts kkkkkk I really see the why people hates E, God he infuriated me while I was reading the Odyssey, but always that I see someone blaming him, I just think is a bit unfair (just a bit, cause come one, guy, if you think your Brother is lying about a treasure but he says that is a fucking storm, just wait until y'all are in the fucking island and then go after the fuck bag, you are family, you can just steal this damn bag in a family dinner). Because they would die anyway, Poseidon never would be like "Oh, damnit, he's in home, whatever, let him be",in my opinion, the whole island would go to Hades in the worst way... In the most positive scenario, he would do the same thing that he does in Get in the Water, giving Ody a chance to suicide, and I don't believe that my boy Ody would be able to get a chance in this scenario. Yes, E is fucking idiot, but so is Ody, but more than them, are the gods, this whole thing is up to the gods. I don't know how to explain my thoughts in english. What I can say is that blaming only him after the 558 deaths never will be fair to me (And , believe me, I would love beat the shit out of him). His pessimistic behavior, the crew mistrust, Ody's pride, all shit of the gods, all of that has the exactly same weight to me (the gods shit is a exception, this is way more heavy) And the cow thing... As someone who has been in starvation before and who has tried suicide before, I could never blame him, cause that's what he is in that moment. Everyone died, his friendship go to hell for both mistakes, he has no hope, he has been in a exhaust journey with death for all sides, and he's starving for weeks... He knows he would die, he's not that dumb, but die fast with a full belly is so much better than a slow death by hungry. I don't know how to make my thoughts clear, I'm sorry. I don't want dismiss anyone's point of view of the situation, after all it's art and art is open to interpretation, I just want to say what I feel when I see the blame bomb in this saga
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The monster Scylla attacked the torches because it was the price he paid for the life of everyone else on the ship
17:16 It made me laugh when he said "He wants Eurylochus to die...ME TOO!"🤣
I cackled LMAO 😭😭😭😂
The moment when eury opened the bag their ship was visible from Ithica that's how close they were to home
Iirc too in the Odyssey his mom didn't just die waiting for him, she saw what happened and threw herself off the cliffs of Ithica in despair thinking she'd just watched her son die, which makes her part in The Underworld that much more depressing 😭
I hate this. Every new thing I learn about this story makes it worse
@@JewelShadow Also when they were on the island of the sun God they were a few days from home.
Having the torches is basically you telling the Goddess Scylla "these are the guys we're giving you to not kill us all"
As far as I know, Zeus isn't smashing the sun god. Rather, Helios just threatened to basically turn off the sun if Zeus didn't go punish them. And maybe someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason he didn't do it himself is because Helios actually is the sun, not the god of the sun. Whereas someone like Poseidon is the god of the sea, not actually the sea itself.
Yup yup it should be like that from what I remember. Also yes, Helios isn't the sun god because he's a titan, so he embodies the sun basically. The sun god is Apollo (among loads of other stuff lolol)
in this interpretation the sun god is Apollo zeus’s son they don’t get down like that
Zeus went rather than Helios himself since he is the god of judgement afaik.
@@xavierm681bold to assume that would stop Zeus
"I don't know who you is"
That's perimedes he doesn't love anyone and is seriously messed up in the head according to some cut songs. He's also the dude who stabs Ody in the back during Mutiny
Oh, please! Give me that baby and I’d yeet it off a tower!
Jorge, writing perimedes: "I don't love anybody"
Also Jorge in the discord at one point: perimedes and polites were a thing
@@kittycatzuka WHAT?
@@miketyler7179 yea, they were planned to be boyfriends. I even headcanon that one of the reasons perimedes is the one to stab ody is a way to finally get revenge for the loss of his bf
"Can you guys tell me how many are left?" After this saga, one. That was my first thought. Haha.
Specifically Odysseus commanded 12 ships each with a crew of 50 men. 7 of his ship's men died to the cyclops, 550 died when their ships were sank by Poseidon (Laestyrgonians in the original Odyssey.), one died on Circe's island offscreen, so at the start of this story he was down to 42 men, then 6 died to Scylla, dropping that to 36 men. And then, well, yeah.
the blood of immortals and gods is gold, also called ichor
Then what happened at the end of god games? I’m so confused bro
@@Hardleyhecklingapparently according to other comments I have read the red looked better compositionally, I believe Gwendy talks about it, I could be wrong.
24:42 "is he smashing the sun god?!?!" help me I can't stop laughing
I didnt like Eurylochus initially.
From wanting to raid the lotus island before they had even set foot on it, in Full Speed Ahead
To showing signs of doubt in Luck Runs Out in his friend/captain/brother-in-law/KING at the very first sign of failure (because Odysseus is right, he took 600 men to war and not one of them died. It wasnt until they faced a literal MONSTER, while they were close to starving no less, that they lost anyone, and even then, only 7 people died)
To wanting to just leave their comrades at Circes and run in Puppeteer.
He irked me.
But i gotta be honest, Mutiny changed that for me entirely.
Yes, he opened the windbag, and thay was very much not cool. But the storm would never have been a problem in the first place if Odysseus hadnt given Polyphemus his name and let him live.
And yeah, Eurylochus wanted to leave the men that had been cursed, and just take the ones they had left and run, but she was a witch and theyre mortals. He had nonway of knowing Hermes would come out of nowhere and decide to lend a hand and he wasn't openly sacrificing them, he just didn't think it possible to save them.
Odysseus just openly sacrificed his men, even though Eurylochus was the only one (at least in lyrics) that actually did anything to earn Odysseus' ire. And i can 100% see why they rebelled against him after that.
And as for the whole slaying the cow thing, my take on it isnt Eurylochus decided hunger was too great, its because he'd given up. He doesn't believe they're going to make it home. He's lost literally hundreds of friends and his friend has become a monster in his eyes, willing to sacrifice anyone including them to get hime. He's tired. He's done. And i think he knew damn well the consequences that came with killing the cow and was ready to die. I think thats why he doesn't fight back when Odysseus sacrifices them. Because while he may not WANT to die, hes too tired to keep going they way they have and hes given up.
I cant NOT feel bad for him after everything. He too was just a man, and he had his failings like the rest of them.
@@incognitogirl6201 honestly I was ready to argue but you have lots of fair points man😭
@@ShyGuyPlus Lol for what's it's worth it's not an argument that would have gone very far. He still irks me. That has not changed 😂
He didn't smash Helios. By her he's referring to Ody's pride.
The clouds where Penelope and not the pride of odyssey
@@MarteKrug Zeus says, "Pride is a damsel in distress." Whenever Zeus says, "her", he is referring to Odysseus' pride. Zeus was also definitely, in this animatic, manipulating Odysseus to sacrifice his crew by alluding to Penelope in the clouds and the "take the suffering from you" part.
Next week is the Wisdom Saga, so there's that.
Aside that, there's 2 more albums after Wisdom
wanted to comment here: okay, so the phrase "stuck between a rock and a hard place" is pretty much from the scylla thing. its not covered in epic, but the safe path is actually a narrow strip of sea between scylla (sea monster #1) and a giant whirlpool called charybdis (sea monster #2).
if you sail slightly closer to scylla, she takes 6 men, but if you sail slightly closer to charybdis, you are at extreme risk of losing your entire ship. thats the cost ody was talking about: risk his entire crew or 6 people. the others don't hear the siren tell ody this, bc he's the one reading her lips while the others (also with beeswax in their ears) are handling the other sirens.
later in the song scylla, you can see ody is brooding, likely having to make the terrible choice of who to sacrifice to get them through. and then eurylochus confesses and ody decides to make eury unknowingly choose who's going to die, likely as a way to punish him. while eury keeps a torch for himself in the animatic, ody didn't ACTUALLY tell him to keep one, just pick who had the 6 torches.
welcome to the fam. *hugs* emotional damage comes with cookies, here.
In Thunder Bringer "Her" is Odysseus' pride, and in this animatic the cloud lady is shaped like Penelope - his greatest pride.
Nah he ain't smashing the sun god was like dad they killed my cow can you kill them and Zeus was like of course son
Ody learned from his mistakes. He messed with something a god cared for and 558 men died. On mutiny he is watching his crew make the same mistakes he did and he knows what's gonna happen ti them because of it
There are 3 sagas left to be released. Wisdom, vengeance and Ithica. Wisdom comes out on the 30th of August 2024 the last 2 release date hasn't been given
The thing is only two or three of the men were responsible for the windbag, the rest were just bystanders. And the mutiny was because Ody was just sacrificing his own men so how were they supposed to trust him after that? What if during the next obstacle, if there is one, he wanted to sacrifice more of them? He’d already proven that he’s willing to do it. (And does end up doing it.) So I still feel bad for them. They didn’t deserve to be obliterated by lightning.
It’s actually a great example how there’s not an 100% good guy in most Greek myths. And how Ody’s hubris with the cyclops was the first domino that ended up killing his entire crew.
Scylla was the better of 2 options. Crew is just to dumb to see it
Ody and the crew in the source material survived from raiding and after such a long war, unable to get home, the only way he can take care of his family and his kingdom is keeping the fame of his name alive. That's why it takes the suitors 20 years to finally run out of patience.
Also, he got the favor of Aeolus as a workaround and they were on sight of home when a certain hypocritical someone betrayed him for pure greed. After being the one advocating against every single plan.
Let's just raid instead of asking for food; lets not save the piggies from Cercei; let's not ask for help from Aeolus because the gods are dangerous...
So dangerous, such a bad idea to mess with them. I'll prove it. Give me the bag, let me open it and see how everyone gets killed. Great idea, right?
He challenges Ody in every single instance. Yeah, they didn't fight Scylla, but if they would, there would be even more dead.
Poseidon keeps blocking any other way home with storms, they can't fish because fish live in the ocean, they don't have the numbers to keep raiding. Is going home or dying.
Not only he rebels in mutiny. He has no plan whatsoever. He strays the ship, he chooses to yet again ignore Ody's advice, he kills Apollo's cattle and then turns to his "Captain" to come up with a plan and save then.
When it is too late and they have to face the consequences of his actions, they expect the man they betrayed and literally backstabbed to sacrifice himself for them.
Ody lost 14 man to the cyclops. He sacrificed 6 men. It was Eurylochus with his terrible decisions who got everyone else killed... Except for Elpenor.
You should listen to Hadestown!! It’s a fantastic musical that is also based off greek mythology. But pleaseee listen in order it will just not hit properly if you don’t.
I don’t think you understand what Odysseus did… like his men betrayed him for money or greed maybe distrust on Odysseus? But he straight up said you six are the cost of getting back home and I will paid ANYTHING price so all of them are expendable to him and yep they can no longer trust Odysseus 😪
Edit: but also yeah they killed the cow I AM NOT sacrificing myself for them I would have made the exact same decision 😢
ZEUS IS SOOO FINE IN NEAL’S ANIMATIC IM SCREAMING
Zeus didn't even BOTHER with an introduction lol
wisdom saga actually comes out tomorrow!
lessssssssss gooooooooooooooo
Peremedies coming in and shanking ody in the back was certianly something i didnt expect when i first listeed to the saga
16:20 "Watch your tone" ahh LMAOO 😭
@@mug_man6033 😭😭😭😭😭
you should totally check out duvetbox's animation of different beast, and gigi's animation of Scylla! They're both amazing animators :)
To be fair to Eury, they had essentially spirits whispering in their head that the Captain's bag WAS treasure for 9 days. The crew was losing trust, if not Eury, it would have been someone else, after all his entire ship of 50 people, and other ships, were plotting. Eury's character is used to voice the concerns and thoughts of the crew
Eury's actions maybe could have been avoided had Odysseus actually confided in Eury. Eury was commanded not just to not openly question him, but simply to NOT question him. That was a huge moment, it was THE moment everything was doomed to fall apart. Eury stuck by Ody longer than he should have
Odysseus was unusually cruel with the execution method of the sirens, all he had to do was behead them and let them die instantly instead of forcing them to suffer. At this point he was doing more than just trying to kill them, he wanted them to suffer. When you think about it, the sirens *need* to kill humans to eat and live, so this entire thing of: "Well they tried to kill us so we're allowed to torture them!" is not really applicable because they weren't killing for fun, they were killing out of necessity.
"IS HE SMASHING THE SUN GOD?!" no lmao, Zeus and Helios are not hooking up. He said pride is she the she in question upfront. Zeus is the god of judgement so that's why he arrived to deal punishment.
Nah, he arrived because Helios blackmailed him
17:24 "ME TOO!"💀
you: is he smashing the sungod
firstly the sun god is a dude and secondly its his son
it’s Zeus do you honestly think he cares
@gfranks1994 i was LITERALLY about to point out that that wouldn't stop Zeus 😂
Ohhh of you want to see a very good Scylla animation I recommend "Gigi", "Anti tigerfly" and "Virus AP"
And watch the trailer of the new saga that is coming 🙂
And the Canon animation of Scylla IT'S SO- I don't have words for that one qvq
Love that anamatic for different beast
The clouds where Penelope because she is the Queen and the Song satt "makes her kingdom fall,, 😂and not the sonne God 😅
Zeus literally was just calling Pride a woman he'd tear apart that entire song. The sun god is his son, like the Cyclops he cried to Daddy when Odysseus hurt his friends. Difference in work ethic: Took Poseidon about nine days at least to get around to it, he's a busy guy. Zeus was there in record time because he has nothing better to do than mess around.
Fun fact, the goddess of pride, Hybris, is female.
The sun God is *not* his son, this is Helios. Apollo came later. Helios blackmailed Zeus by threatening to take the sun to the underworld instead
Tbf, Ody has EVERY reason to be afraid of the water
Eurilicus was supposed to be one of sacrifices…but when the other guy picked up the torch he dropped then he was the one who died instead….so Eurilicus cause another man to die
You should do Hadestown animatics might be harder to find because they may be not the full song so look at video length and song length
I hateeee how Neal’s Zeus is so fine omg
Btw to make Thunderbringer worse: The cloud he was manhandling was shaped like Penelope.
Yeah no, Eurylochus is 100% responsible for this one
Also the "euuuugh" when Zeus shows up 😂🤣
Here's the song list for the whole epic musical
m.ruclips.net/user/shorts9dq3HSrbxTg
Helios, god of the sun, threatened to put the sun in the underworld if Zeus didn’t do something about it
I mean.. Ody did also betray his men in the lair of Scylla by sacrificing six men instead of trying to find a work-around and then Ody tried to kill his second in command for being upset that he did so. Im not trying to say that Ody is the worst devil of a man in the series but like you said before it's nice to know both sides. Also, hunger has made people do many terrible things like even eating eachother, plus Eurylochus seemed to be pretty suicidal in the end, fully believing that he was never going to make it home.
There is no "Work around". It's either 6 dead to Scylla or all of them dead to Charybdis or Poseidon. Also he's not killing Eury because he disagreed, he's fighting because Eury is trying to kill him.
@@theskeptic1065To be fair, Ody could’ve just told them that there would be six people to die since he knew, which would’ve allowed the crew to be sacrificed on their own behalf rather than not telling them anything and just letting them die without a single say in the matter. There was a work around just not for them surviving without casualties
@@ConcernedSkeleton-lu9mr Or even raided a village and grabbed six random people to die instead of the crew.
Welcome to the Zeus Saga
Meet Zeus.
The only character in this Saga.
It was both Odysseus and Eurylocus who killed the men Odysseus didn’t kill the cyclops which made Poseidon do it which made the wind god make the storm that made them seek their help which gave them the bag which Eurylocus opened and Odysseus should’ve told Eurylocus what the game was with the wind god but he doesn’t which grew mistrust among them which made everything unfold like it did
Remember how you trusted Eurylochus?
Tbh i don't think it's Eurylochus's fault for 500+ men dying by Poseidon's hand. That's on Ody for doxxing himself to the Cyclops. If they had made it home, Poseidon would've been waiting for them at home, ready to kill the entire kingdom if necessary. He'd find where Ithaca is, he's a god. What Eurylochus DID do tho is extend their journey and practically made them go to the Underworld. So yeah, still not good lol
Idk about Helios, but Zeus is hella weird if he's smashing Apollo, considering Apollo's one of Zeus' children.. but I mean, Zeus IS smashing his sister, so ig I wouldn't be too surprised-
12:15 racist shy predicted it
lollll whaaaaaaaa
He's black though 😭
Zeus is referring the cloud figure to the lightning. Love this video by the way 🤍
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That's why I should stop seeing thunder saga reacts kkkkkk
I really see the why people hates E, God he infuriated me while I was reading the Odyssey, but always that I see someone blaming him, I just think is a bit unfair (just a bit, cause come one, guy, if you think your Brother is lying about a treasure but he says that is a fucking storm, just wait until y'all are in the fucking island and then go after the fuck bag, you are family, you can just steal this damn bag in a family dinner). Because they would die anyway, Poseidon never would be like "Oh, damnit, he's in home, whatever, let him be",in my opinion, the whole island would go to Hades in the worst way... In the most positive scenario, he would do the same thing that he does in Get in the Water, giving Ody a chance to suicide, and I don't believe that my boy Ody would be able to get a chance in this scenario. Yes, E is fucking idiot, but so is Ody, but more than them, are the gods, this whole thing is up to the gods.
I don't know how to explain my thoughts in english. What I can say is that blaming only him after the 558 deaths never will be fair to me (And , believe me, I would love beat the shit out of him). His pessimistic behavior, the crew mistrust, Ody's pride, all shit of the gods, all of that has the exactly same weight to me (the gods shit is a exception, this is way more heavy)
And the cow thing... As someone who has been in starvation before and who has tried suicide before, I could never blame him, cause that's what he is in that moment. Everyone died, his friendship go to hell for both mistakes, he has no hope, he has been in a exhaust journey with death for all sides, and he's starving for weeks... He knows he would die, he's not that dumb, but die fast with a full belly is so much better than a slow death by hungry.
I don't know how to make my thoughts clear, I'm sorry. I don't want dismiss anyone's point of view of the situation, after all it's art and art is open to interpretation, I just want to say what I feel when I see the blame bomb in this saga
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