Should I Sell My Lucid Air Grand Touring And Buy A Porsche Taycan?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2023
- I rented a Porsche Taycan to spend some time with it. As I get ready to get my Lucid Air GT back from my son Kyle, it's time for me to decide if I keep it or sell it and try out a new ride. Join my son Kyle and I as evaluate the Taycan as a possible replacement.
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Dave changes his cars more frequently than I change my socks.
He will totally get one, then 3 months later get something else lol
@@doomsday9973hasn’t even had the Lucid. Kyle took it and Dave hasn’t had it for more than a week
@@jimparr5412 lol that’s right! Crazy! Always wondered how Kyle can swap out these 100k cars like candy too. Dave I get, but it’s not like out of spec has millions of subs
I work hard for a living and make videos for fun. Not sure what my number of subs has to do with your comment here. In any event, appreciate you watching! Have a great day!
@doomsday.......
With such a positive screen name I can tell you that Kyle has built a number of channels and views and sponsors pay not subscribers.
Kyle says he is not focused on subs and just tweets when he puts up a video.
They all work hard and enjoy the content as it's free.
Out of Spec Dave is becoming the Hoovie's Garage of EVs.
😂😂😂😂😂
It's an addiction and we are all here for it 🤩
Dave I think I enjoy listening to you the best out of all the car shows . I am unsure if its because we must be similar in age but you are very relatable.
Thanks! Means a lot sir…
excellent session, thanks for the information, you guys are worth your weight in gold
We have had our '22 RWD for a year and half now 15K miles, been on several road long trips with it, just an amazing car. Love the immediancy with which all driver inputs are delivered. Steering, braking and acceleration are realized with no delay. Car gets so many looks on the road. Kids under the driving age want pictures of this car. We don't have any issues with our '22 that were mentioned in the video. PnC generally works on EA chargers. Get one Dave.
Doesn't matter how good the car is if you're stuck charging on CCS. That is of course if you just want it as a grocery getter
I see a Fisker Ocean Extreme in your future for a couple months
As an owner of a T4S and now a Lucid Air Touring I'd say this the Taycan rocks and is still my favorite car. If the Lucid could get the OS together and get it to a stage where it actually works it would actually be a better car as a daily driver and better comfort but that has not happened... . As of today 7/7/23 re: navigation, smart charge programing, pre heat ,Car Play / audio content control (which sucks) takers for ever to load with too many menus / levels to dig through, start up and assess to cameras, the Lucid has a long long way to go from one coming from a Taycan they could fix 99.9% with OTA updates but I don't see them coming out on a regular bases, So as of today I agree the Taycan is a better car by far! Planning to trade the Lucid for a GTS Taycan
Hi. Has your assessment changed since your last comment. My husband is interested in a used Taycan or lucid. Thx!
Wow! Kyle was on fire with info! The best in the EV world!
Hi Dave. Love how you get excited like a kid at Xmas 🎄🎁
Dave, I am also 6' 5" tall, bigger guy, same as you. Lucid is much easier for enter/exit car than Taycan for me, Lucid interior has much more room/comfort for legs etc. For me the Lucid is a much better daily driver. For road trips, never really had a problem with charging Lucid or Taycan. basically, same experience. I would stick with Lucid for comort factor + everywhere I go people, are enamored with its overall design/presence. Keep the Lucid for now. Maybe, Taycan after it gets it's needed update.
Jesus, Dave, sell em all, buy a 1981 Lada and call it a day. The best videos are you and Kathy just out riding around, would be great in an old thing like that.
I have a 2020 Taycan 4S, driven it for 61k miles. No heater issues, power is plenty. I have the larger battery and rear steering and Performance pack.
Porsche just added battery state to CarPlay for Apple Maps to predict arrival SoC. But I have also been happy with Porsche maps.
Happy Saturday Dave. I hope you have VIP status at the DMV. When you walk in they must yell out DAVE how is it going. Also thank you for your videos.
Great video Dave. Getting the new car itch eh? Makes great content.
Dave.
Keep the Lucid. I was talking with two Tesla reps today, and they agreed it is a great car.
😂
Always enjoy the Out of Spec videos. Question for you. I currently own a 2021 Tacyan RWD and have been considering a switch over to the Model S, given the current state of NACS. Granted, here in California I really haven't had any significant issues with EA but with the S I would have access to countless charging options. Just wanted to get your take on the overall difference between the driving dynamics. Thanks again for your videos!
Will be out in Colorado in a couple of weeks driving my Lucid, a RWD Taycan and Kyle’s Model S Plaid back to back and doing some testing with him. Stay tuned. They are all great cars. Tesla just makes everything easier if you road trip a lot because of the network. And Bailey loves Dog Mode! Good luck to you and thanks for watching!
That $100k Porsche has Bolt EV acceleration, a huge disappointment
Dave, when wife & I test drove the single motor Taycan at Naples Porsche, she told salesperson it “moved like a slug”. She is most familiar with my model S. He said, you need the dual motor version.
Love your videos Dave. I currently have a Model Y Performance but actively looking to upgrade. Currently torn between Model S, Lucid, or Taycan. All of them have strengths and weaknesses for sure. Also, I commented on your other video regarding Turo for when I visit Florida but funny enough we are usually in Florida solely for Disney! My family love it and my daughter has been there 5 times and she’s not even 2 😂 because of that we just got annual passes despite us being in CT. Keep up the videos!
I agree with Kyle on the rear axel steering. My 2020 911 has it and the handling is incredible.
Great conversation- go for the Taycan Dave!
Have you tried the eTron GT? Looking to get back into the Taycan 4S, but the discounts on the eTron GT is strong right now, especially the low mileage ones.
Commendable experiential-dynamics discussion.
Kyle, you're phenomenal multi-disciplinarian.
Congratulations on the new car!
One of your best vids ever! You guys are great together! PS. what did you do to Kyle's mic? He sounded like he did when he was 4-wheeling in your driveway years ago, 😆 lol. Looking forward to your new EV purchase
Dave, love your videos and enjoy your take on the cars you own and review. Keep up the great work and thanks for sharing your passion for cars with us! As a fellow car addict, life is short, enjoy as many cars as you can.
Dave, keep the Lucid Air. Its beautiful, rare, luxurious, & you got a great deal on it when you bought it. This video needs more Bailey and Kathy. Love the content!! 😊
The Lucid is ugly in my opinion.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
My 2 week old Model Y AC compressor failed and had to be replaced. I hear you about having air management failures.
Wow nice to be able to have these choices of expensive cars. Taycans are really nice it would be my choice if I could afford them. But most of us can barely afford a Leaf or Bolt. Enjoy the ride.
Average new car price in the USA in 2022 was $48,000. That’s not Taycan level but significantly more then a Bolt. So no “most of us” are buying cars significantly more expensive then the bolt or leaf
I love how both you review EV's
I look at your other road trip videos and you and Kathy seem to consistently do one thing- you don't road trip the Out of Spec way. You both (and Bailey) seem to enjoy a longer stop where you can relax for a bit and take the dog for a walk. I feel like the Lucid ownership experience makes for a better story and suits you all better as travelers. That's just my two cents!
Keep up the good vids!
You are 100% right on this last trip; we went off grid to the OOS way :)
No way. I own an Air GT like yours. Lucid and Porsche both charge on EA, given the poor reliability you’re out of luck with the Porsche if you hit a bad charger, whereas with the Lucid with way more range you can just go find another charger. Plus the newest Lucid OTA fixes the AC, you get a max AC button. And guess what, it also now auto-preconditions when you choose a charger in the navigation, so the two criticisms of the Lucid in the video have just been solved by Lucid with this latest OTA. The Lucid has more space, is faster, more comfortable, has actual regen, better user interface, vastly superior camera displays, better sound system, and Lucid listens to owners and is continually improving things via OTA. Porsche makes great cars of course, I think the Taycan would be great for around town and back roads, I considered one, but I know a few people who own both a Taycan and a Lucid and they end up driving the Lucid most of the time.
Great context Larry. Thx!
@@dconner9☝🏻what he said 100%. With that said…. Dave, what will the prime purpose(s) for the large sedan choice? I like watching your content. Most of it seems to be with you and your wife. Based on that, get Tesla Model S Long Range, smaller wheels. Your wife will feel right at home with the total experience. Except, smoother, quieter, roomier, more gear storage, longer range than the model Y. And your both get the perfect Tesla charging experience. Comfortable seat, Bailey proof, huge space for goodies front and rear. The best buying experience, best long range road car.
Not picking on the Lucid. If someone wants to have a more expensive Jaguar just because it is unique, ok. Not for me. I will save the cash with the Model S, add a wrap.. or if a Plaid send to Unplugged Performance if I wanted something more rare. Point is… IF your primary goals are to have a great on the road to Florida (and back), with tons of secured space for things (large frunk), the best safety ratings, the best EV service fleet and locations for traveling (IF needed), amazing drive, optional by the month full self drive (yes, for me essential great tool for my long Tesla journeys) that no one else has over the great distances, so easy and stress free while driving manually, the best dynamic route planning (BTW, Kyle better be careful what he says about the “fixed” precondition setting he claims..wrong), by far the most reliable- consistent fast every time charging network, and host of other benefits by staying with Tesla, you both will be happy!
BTW, little T birdie provided stats on Tesla charger base (“pump” for those thinking ICE) reliability.. “five nines or greater”. That means 99.999 up time for the charger “pump”. If someone damages the charging chord, exception. That is still not good enough for Tesla team. Why? That is 22 minutes of down time a year (24/7) when the math is run. Most are stations are above this. However, this a minimum. In the past hard line telecom days, “five nines” was also a minimum. You are old enough to remember the old analog hard line phone network. Expect for extreme tree damaged from storms, people digging up cables, car crashes into poles, the “phone” was always on. Much more than electric power. In this regard, the 21st century Tesla Supercharger team is old school. Strive for absolute reliability at every stage. NO OTHER company has that same view.
Go with Tesla. support the USA team. They earned it. No down sides.
@@johnross6314 Lucid is also USA team, with Rawlinson responsible for the Model S. The points in the video are valid though, I think the biggest one being that the Taycan can do sustained 270kw, whereas the Lucid peaks higher but seems to be have trouble on EA if you’re using anything other than ABB 150kw for me. I’m looking forward to seeing their videos comparing whether the Taycan can get you from point A to B quicker than the Lucid because it works better on DC fast charging. Nobody knows the answer thus far.
@@larrywineland4682 Money that controls all, is Saudi. And China in background. Right now, both seek to get rid of petro dollar. They are adversaries. Lucid is owned by adversaries.
You really should consider buying a new one Dev, I know it’s expensive, but you get to pick the options you like and you can have a Porsche Experience Center delivery in Atlanta or Los Angeles. You would love it.
I had 43 options selected for my Taycan.
I say YES… it fits u ….just being in the turo taycan … and then u and anna can compare😂… I’m already excited for ur future porche(good luck)
I have a 2022 Taycan 4 CT with 28K miles & love it. Now is a great time to purchase a per-owned one. Prices have taken a big down turn.
Hey Dave love your videos! Just so ya know the roads in Florida are actually the "Black" asphalt like everywhere the sun just bleaches then white. Love the Porsche it's a beautiful car inside and out. I want one so bad!!! Keep up the great work.
Favorite comment from the video: “…because of a garbage charging network.” One always knows where Kyle stands on CCS charging…or maybe EA specifically. Touch choice here. Porsche or Lucid. Lucid’s existing software has challenges, it would seem. But, they have demonstrated the ability (and desire) to continue with OTA updates. Porsche/Volkswagen…not so much. One of the points made in the video was Porsche is an established automotive company. I’m not so sure this is a positive. They “think” like that across all of their models, so even if they do have reliable delivery of OTA software, it would be very infrequent. Newer players (Lucid, Rivian, Tesla) push out changes more quickly. But, with all of that said, it’s a moot point with Dave; he doesn’t keep cars long enough to see more than one or two updates.
Dave, if your goal was to have the ultimate EV road tripper, you already had it and traded it in! There’s nothing on the market today that beats the Tesla Model S Long Range for road trips. That Taycan may be technically brilliant but without access to Tesla’s Supercharger network, it’s a non-starter.
The Porsche suits you well mr Lloyd Christmas.hehe
Glad to see non-Tesla content here, thanks! You need a new crazy EV on the channel. Lyric? Hummer? Hey get a VINFAST! Guaranteed content right there! 😅
Dave, I am surprised you can even remember the Lucid, it's been so long!
Absolutely, Taycan is a beautiful car
you didnt mention that the taycan charges slow on 400v charger unless you upgrade the charger
Looks like you don’t want that panoramic sunroof in hot US / Florida summers.
Absolutely I mentioned that in your last video.
Man, I wish I had a great dad like Dave. To be an adult son and being so well tuned to each other seems to be a great experience. Hey Dave, any chance you'd like to adopt a 55year old son? 😊 Thanks for the great content, always a pleasure to see 👍😊
Agreed must be so nice. Can’t relate
Mine died when I was 23 and we didn't have good relations for years before that. Hard for me to imagine what such a dad-son relationship feels like.
I think Dave needs a BMW i7, best of both worlds.
Go for it!
The recent software update for Lucid now preconditions as needed automatically when navigating to a charging station . EA is improving albeit slowly
Which car of the Lucid or Porsche says... welcome home Dave?
Thanks Dave. This is the Taycan video I hoped your last video would be.
Yessss! Get the Taycan!
The heating issue- my Porsche turbo Cross Turismo- went cold in December 22- is now sorted. Porsche Service: they came to my home, picked up the car and brought me an Audi etron same evening to cover the 2 weeks or so it took to repair the Taycan.
Don’t run. Protect your hips and knees. Fast walk and intermittent fast 3x / week
Told you so!! Predicted the Taycan was coming and Lucid would be moved on. Could see this a mile away.
Honest to God Dave, you change cars more than most people change underware! Like did you hit the Powerball or where you born into the money?
Here is my secret. You ready? I work
@@outofspecdave1554I’m trying to remember, have you ever shared with viewers what it is you do for a living?
Yes!
Face it, Dave, you raised a total car geek there! You two are excellent together. How father and son should be.
And big apologies! I realised today I’m subscribed to Kyle’s channel, but not yours even though I’ve been watching you often! Oversight now corrected.
Alright my prediction is Mr Dave will sell both the Lucid and Model 3 for the Taycan. Using the Model Y for road trips for now until the adapter is made available next year. Initially I was thinking that another co owner situation with Kyle would happen but I see both getting there own Taycans.
dang kyle knows a lot about evs
Definitely get the Taycan. Plus, good A/C is WAY more important than heat. If it gets too cold, drive the Tesla.
Yes
You sellin that BUICK already? Carpets must be getting pretty dirty! 🤣
yes do it!
Until Porsche accepts NACS I wouldn’t consider one. Unless you’re looking for a garage queen.
Adapters will be good'nuff
Yeah, I’ve only been able to do 61,000 miles on mine without a Tesla plug.
'Sport'. No road noise
'Sport+'. It seemed like it came through on camera lol
Dave no wonder your wife made you sign that you couldn't see her model Y for 3 years lol because my wife would kill me if I flipped flopped on an EV every 4 months. It'll be interesting what happed when the new highlander model 3 comes out how fast you can flip that car. Do you get a frequent buyer discount beside the loyalty? The apple doesn't fall to far from the tree between you and Kyle because you two just are funny to watch as you can see Kyle's wheels spinning while you're talking.
Not surprised at all. Is Kyle gonna help you buy the Porsche like he did with the Lucid?
Yes.
Keep the Lucid, Dave. Keep the dream alive.
Can’t figure out if they’re such great cars, why are they depreciating so quickly? So many owners rave about them.
I doubt you would settle for the base model so to get it spec the way you would want it you are looking at over $200,000 and that just seems overpriced.
Dave,you look younger in this video it must be the hair 💇😊
Get the Taycan 4S. It is a Porsche that happens to an EV. Built and drives like a Porsche should . We love them so much, we have 2.
I would purchase a Taycan if the range was a little more.
In this video thumbnail, Dave has transformed into Kyle's bleached-blonde college roomie. 😂
Heat pumps are not failing in mass on the model S. Dave shows up mostly as brand agnostic. Kyle, is anti Tesla, pro German (except maybe the 125 mile range when towin non heavy load) Rivian. Kyle puts up with deal killer charger issues, as long as he can stay away from Elon Musk Tesla. To counter the faux German snobbery ( I am German, I can insult my own), I suggest NO to the Porsche. USA Tesla or nothing. :)
Get an EQS sedan - it’s the perfect car for you. Massaging seats, too notch ADAS, impeccable fit and finish, and great for content. You can get a gently used $120k 450 4matic version with all the bells and whistles for under $80k.
Enjoy your videos don’t know why you would want to keep 2 cars- your Tesla 3 and the Lucient
you guys changing cars like I change my underwear in the summer
My car change cadence is strong no doubt. But for the respect of humanity, I would recommend you change your underwear a bit more often than that
@@outofspecdave1554 No issues with you experiencing plethora of vehicles. Like Consumer Reports, you buy your own gear you seriously review. Unlike CR, you and your wife do a much better job at this than CR. :) We all know you make some cash from the channel. However, most of us also know, you are putting your cash, or credit line on the line when you buy. Verses some millennial YT’er sponging off the perks of PR firms from car companies. This is serious fun for you.. Get that… Even so, when you spend your own money, you will have a added valued perspective for the viewers..IMO.
Regenerative breaking and single pedal driving are key for electric cars. Why is Karl or Carl freaked out about breaking in a Taycan?
Get the 4S Performance minimum
The Lucid is nice but in a CEO nice way. The Taycans are fabulous and nice, in a car history and technology wise. Go for a Porsche.
You video lead RUclips to show me these porshe tycans lose about $20,000-$30,000 in 12 months. So used is the best way
I think the horrible state of CCS is making Porsche type buyers dump these decent but sort of pointless EVs in absurdly short periods of ownership
Dave, you want the Porsche, just get it or you'll be miserable.
The comment I kept hearing is..."It's fine.". Not terribly inspiring for a car at that price that is slower and has less range than EVs half the price. It's a great looking car, but is the badge really worth it?
Lucid is clearly the better car but the darn infrastructure for charging is the problem and not their fault
Very interesting video in regards to the downsides of Lucid.
Get the Porsche if you like it. For anybody talking about socks and whatnot, stop the hating and nagging.
I am actually quite concerned about many people with stinky socks and underwear hurting the noses of the masses rather than them nagging me. I say wash often please, rinse and repeat.
Well, gee. A Lucid or a Porsche. 🤷♂️ An issue I’ll thankfully never have to deal with. 😂
Absolutely NOT! Buy a 14th Model 3 already. It’s been a few weeks! 😂
Definitely feel the charging on the lucid for road trips is much different. Can’t wait to see a comparison in an actual real world trip.
I love our Taycan Turbo. And this would have been a great episode for Do Big Guys Fit! Yes we do!
Act in haste repent in leisure. But I sure do like that Taycan.
Definitely sell the Lucid for a Taycan
Great video. YES trade that Lucid for the Taycan. Not that you're an old guy but the Lucid is like an old man's Buick. You need the Taycan. It suits you.
Get the Taycan
You are not driving the Lucid anyway because Kyle is monopolising it. Mind you, the Tacan will not be yours either. So whatever you decide doesn’t really change anything. 😳😂
Porsche vs Lucid: My money would be on the Porsche.