This is the best video on the Pro 7+ imo. I just upgraded from a Pro 4 that I've had for years to the 7+ because of the increased battery life which is the main thing I'm looking for. One reason I love the Surfaces so much that I never hear much about is how physically durable they are. I've accidentally dropped mine countless times and it has functioned good as new all these years. I hear many folks complain about the physical design, but I don't worry so much because perhaps the durability is due to the current design; why mess with it.
I can attest to that as well! I had it in my purse one day and the purse fell off the bar area in our kitchen! I thought instantly that that had broken the screen but no... To my amazement it's still intact and brand new!
Nice video! I had a Surface Pro 6 and sold it. I've been using the Surface GO, and recently upgraded to the Surface Pro 7(reg, not business model) Current pricing made it irresistible. And I love the Surface pen. I like the Office Suite (I know MS 365!!!) I have the Studio 2, GO, and now another Pro. I couldn't be happier! (All with pens) Your recent videos on the pen were fantastic! Keep up the great content!
Nice. I remember when I got the Surface Pro, All NZ retailers sold only the weakest spec models. Had to order my i7 256gb SSD 16gb RAM option from Microsoft Melbourne who also handles shipments for NZ. Got the accidental protection plan which doesn't expire until October. 2 year manufacturer warranty is better than 1.
I got the Surface Pro 7 Plus i7 16 GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage for Christmas and have to say that it's The MOST intuitive and versatile piece of tech I own!!! I love this thing and take it EVERYWHERE!
I recently got the rena pencil and the Type Cover with fingerprint ID also and want more information than I've found on how to get the most out of using those devices to improve my productivity and ease of using my surface! Can you please help me with this? I've looked everywhere for videos on how best to use them and have found little information! I'm a student currently finishing up my clinicals for my degree and would like to know more about how to get the Best use out of the technology I have! Thanks!
THank you for the review, very informative clear and engaging. I've just bought a refurbished Surface 7+ and am looking forward to using it as a complement then replacement for my trusty Surface Pro 7 which still works very well after 4 years. I liked your point at 6:30 about the Surface Pro 7 i5 (the one I have) poor performacne while on a video call. Usually my Zoom ends up freezing due to overheating whenever I'm on a Zoom for a considerable amount of time or when I try to multitask while on a call, which is very annoying. So I'm looking forward to fewer or no freezes while on Zoom on the 7+!
Love my SP7 but recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 Plus. My Tab S7 Plus gets twice the battery life, weighs less, and is much thinner. Currently, only use my SP7 for data analysis. Hope the SP8 is a major refresh both inside and out...
these are too different devices to be compared... the S7+ is the best media consumption device in the market, but you can't do anything work related, even less than on iPads...A SP7 is a laptop first, definitely not the best media consumption device. The only thing where they are close is pen usage, but the added battery life of the Samsung gives it the upper hand, unless one needs a pro app like photoshop... And for browsing, mail etc. any device will do, including a $300 iPad...
I've had an array of Samsung tablets and I don't understand the comparison with the Surface Pro 7. My SP7 is a full-on computer with desktop-class software and a desktop OS built for work. I get a lot of reading done on my tablets. Almost everything else is on my Surface Pro. YMMV of course.
Your the Go-to for Surface Pro/Pen latest info........thanks for breaking this down. "...a form factor (industrial design) change has to happen eventually..." I've been repeating that montra as my rational for holding onto my SP5 (3 yrs now) & not switching to Dell? If MS doesn't either blow-away all expectations on the next SP or just cancel it & make the SPX "truly adoptable" as a PC replacement, I believe MS is going to see A TON of Surface Pro fans/users jump ship for other 2 in 1 laptop/tablet/hybrids.....sadly.
What other real options are there anyway? For better or for worse, Microsoft basically still has full control over the Windows tablets' market. There aren't too many products that are able to compete with the Surface in terms of quality, stability and reliability. And for some reason, some brands still insist in 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratios, which I believe makes a lot of potential buyers discard them (myself included).
@@notfound_63 Yes, in the end MS created a new PC category, paradigme w/ the SP (certainly by SP4). It's what made me adopt an "MS computer???" back in '16 w/ the SP4 & never looked back. But, ".....change has to happen eventually" has been striking like a church bell for at least the last 2 iterations of the SP.
I really want to buy it, but unavailable easily. I'm trying to make my notebook survive till October and the release of surface Pro 8, hoping it has the characteristics of this 7+ and even more hopefully
I think that the naming suggest that the SP8 might be redesigned... My guess is that, in addition to what you said about corporate clients, one of the reasons for MS to wait on a redesign à la SPX is not to kill the ARM brother before it's good enough... They are trying to buy some time for a faster ARM chip and improved Windows on ARM, otherwise if they made the SP7+ a SP8 with a SPX design, who would ever buy the SPX?
I get it, the 7+ is a tech refresh for the business enterprise and government sector, that can handle the common productivity and teleconferencing business tasks. Even with the same exterior form factor though, those bezels need to shrink down the same way the GO2’s viewable screen was enlarged. It’s also way overdue a removable and replaceable SSD was implemented. The surface pro 7 seems light years behind the iPad Pro, but despite the iPad’s advancements, it can never be a business laptop replacement.
Perception is a funny thing isn't it... "The surface pro 7 seems light years behind the iPad Pro, but despite the iPad’s advancements, it can never be a business laptop replacement." I guess it's because the Surface Pro is a laptop that it feels lightyears ahead for me. All a matter of what you want to do with it.
@@oztabletpc For me, The Surface Pro 4 was the “game changer”. It forced Apple to add a keyboard attachable “Pro” to its iPad lineup and upended the ultralight laptop market. Surface Pro 5 and 6 aside from updated internals and retrofitted SIM card capabilities, they were all essentially the same form factor. The Surface Pro 7 at least has a USB C port to replace the mini HDMI, but aside from the much needed USBC support and the internals it is essentially the same form factor as the Surface Pro 4. All the modern innovations went to Surface Pro X which technically has better features across the board, but it limited by the embryonic software offerings for the Windows ARM OS and severely hamstrung performance for x86 emulation. I do have to admit, the Surface Pro is holding its own despite the near 6 year old form factor. I’m just waiting for my GO 1 to stop working before I consider another Surface purchase.
I had a Surface Pro 4, then a Surface Book 2. I was looking forward to the Pro 8... for me, the screen size of the Pro 7+ is too small. I also want LTE (or 5G) + 32 GB RAM + 1 TB disk. Also, the battery life of the Pro 4 was poor, so I'd accept a slightly thicker/heavier Pro 8 to get good battery life.
surface pros in m y opinion are actually the best two and one hardware available on the market today. Why I had to shell out all the extra money to get the 7+ instead of the 8 is because I was one of the people who paid for the Kensington Docking station, several keyboards,pens and stuff that I would need to replace with the 8. Most of you can go as low as the surface pro 4 and would be ultra happy but being able to easily swap out the ssd was something I needed i my life. If you find the surface pro 7+ and want the rest of the components on the cheap then go wiht the 7+. I only regret paying for the Surface Pro 7 as my Surface Pro 5 lasted way longer. I got stuck on the window logo screen and while removing the screen to get to the ssd I I created some lines in the screen :( everything was soldered on so I wss unable to steal many components due to this but kept the donar board for when I get some flex and fire up my soldering iron.
Great video. It's a shame this never made it to consumers. LTE is so good. I'd be happy if a Surface Pro 8 was this with Surface Go 2 bezels. I don't think they need to go full Surface Pro X. They just need to modernise it small bit. I really like the clipboard on my Surface book it feels modern. A cm or two really makes a difference. I just sold my Surface Go 2 and replaced it with a Surface Pro X. I'm absolutely loving it. I agree with your past videos the app gap is exaggerated. Thanks to edge I now have PWA's for all my streaming services, newspapers and most other things I want. I've even using the Your phone app to get use Signal which is only available on x64. I also own a Surface Book 3, but I'm hoping by the time a Surface Pro X 2 comes out the software is at point where the X can be my only computer. The emulation still needs a lot of work. There's a lot of older apps that just don't run.
@@_Digitalguy because you can't, not with an intel chip. The surface pro x thin. You can't cram an intel chip in such a tight body. Maybe they could use the chipset Samsung used in the intel Galaxy Book S.
I think you probably can get an 11th gen i5 into an SPX. Remember that Samsung was doing something along these lines a few years ago with previous-gen chips (though with mixed results). 11th or 12th gen will be a big step forward in comparison. Maybe they'd still need the old SP7 design for the i7 model with a fan. In any case, great comment. It's great to hear how things are going for you SPX pioneers.
One of the great things about the corporate/business interest in surface pros is that in a few years they sell them off meaning good bargains for buying secondhand versions. Especially with ssds being removable. Less chance of being destroyed completely for security reasons. I'm looking forward to upgrading my surface pro 5 then. Is this the model the aus gov/orgs are upgrading too? Or is it the surface 8?
you alluded to performance issues when on a teams call and multitasking on a surface pro 7 (i5/256gb) . I am also having these issues and it becomes almost unusable with the lag /CPU throttling. Have you discovered any fixes that may help? apart from putting a fan on the device? or do i have to buy a m1 mac? ;(
Yeah, I think that Teams and Electron is the problem. But I'll need to check with colleagues on the latest performance of Pro 7. I had issues trying to run Excel on a Teams call mainly, so I avoided it and ran on the Pro X. Happy to report that the Pro 7+ i5 is excellent on a Teams call, although I know that's cold comfort!
@@oztabletpc very interested in understanding how this SP 7+ i5 16GB RAM (Teams call & multi tasking with say Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint or OneNote) before I order. I’m wondering if it would be better to get the Surface Laptop 3 i5 16GB RAM for better Teams + multitasking performance than SP 7+ i5 in your review? My current SP 5 (2017) i5 8GB RAM really struggles to cope (in above scenario) and is worse with out a mini fan pointed at it. Any advice on above would really help.
I had one of the early X1 detachable. I was never super impressed and I was really let down by their service centre. However, the new model looks really interesting. 3:2 display!! Such a great move. Many people will love thunderbolt too. Do you know what pen tech it uses?
Here is a link to the Microsoft Store. Note under Tech Specs > 'Supported Platforms' that the Pro 7+ is listed. This keyboard works with Surface Pro 3 - 7+. Pro 8, 9 and X models use the new keyboard.
At this stage, there is no information indicating that it will sell at retail. You can still purchase it from a commercial reseller. In the USA, use this web page to find out where: www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/where-to-buy-microsoft-surface
HELP! I’m still motoring along with a Surface Pro 3, which I love a little irrationally...except for MS Teams, which it just cant cope with. I’ve done what I can to reduce the load but it’s still very buggy and using all the memory. There’s a fair amount of Teams in my future and I think I need to upgrade on that basis. I’m a business so can go for the Pro7+ but will I still have problems running Teams on it? There’s lots of people who seem to have the same probs as me with 7s and I’m nervous about shelling out for something that doesn’t meet the need. What have you found with your further Pro7+ testing?
Teams is much better on the 7+ than it was on the 7. I'm also hearing that the i7 model is much better on battery too. I'm using the i5 LTE and I'm happy with it.
@@oztabletpc A note to say thanks for this info and recommendation. I bought the Pro7+ and it’s been brilliant. The difference in terms of running Teams is extraordinary and that makes such a difference to my day to day. I’m so grateful.
Completely depends on what you're doing. You can't beat ARM for battery life, no fan, thin form factor. Intel wins for versatility. I have them both, but if I were choosing I'd lean to the Pro 7+ for most people.
@@oztabletpc their battery life is about the same. I travel for work within the US. I just purchased the pro x last month, I just recently find out pro7+ has 4g lte.
Yes, this form factor, tablet convertibles, is a bit of a dead-end. Consumers have sussed that the tablet and laptop usage are both compromised and not really worth it for the convenience of an all in one. The 360-degree laptop has superseded the detachable and for obvious reasons is a lot better. In the corporate Enterprise world, MS has an advantage with legacy and although the Surface Pro line sells well I think the truth is those backroom decisions to support MS does not necessarily equate to the Surface Pro line being the best choice? The Thinkpad X12 seems like an all-around better device, and hopefully, that will get some corporate love? As an SP7 user, I can say it has been reliable and a very good experience since I bought the Brydge keyboard. Battery life is not as good as it needs to be so I doubt the SP7+ is EVO certified. It is a bit chunky, look at the Thinkpad to see how it should be done (though that also has battery issues). The SP X is likely the way to go as thermally the Surface Pro looks to be at its end. I think WOA SPX were meant to be bursting forth, but MS has sadly failed in its ARM development roadmap, Apple Silicon M1 being twice as fast and with the M1X likely to put them years ahead of MS Silicon they are now chasing shadows.
@@oztabletpc Yes, that is def a downside and in the end it is subjective, but for me, my workload is 75% based on a keyboard, the convertible is the better fit. Cheers!
The point is not being as good as Apple Silicon, but as good as intel... If the combination of hardware and software manages to catch up with Intel at some point, sevel issues will be solved and even new form factors will become possible....For me too the problem with convertibles is that they are too heavy for use as tablets, so you just end up using them as laptops. If, thanks to ARM they manage to make a convertible with good battery life that's as light as a Surface pro without keyboard, then yes, this will be the new king.
@@_Digitalguy I agree, just seems like MS and Qualcomm are not really inspiring me with hope that they are doing anything or could achieve it? Maybe they will surprise me later this year!
@@andyH_England I think Apple Silicon has has been a big "wake-up" moment for these companies. No wonder Qualcomm acquired Nuvia exactly for this reason and MS started developing their own ARM chips (official for their Azur severs...) after Apple Silicon. Qualcomm in particular had underestimated the potential of ARM on laptops but Apple Silicon has been, unintentionally, the biggest push for Windows on ARM. But it will take a couple of years for them to be competitive with Intel, but at this point people have realized that x86 has hit a ceiling and cannot grow anywhere near as fast as ARM, especially in thermally constrained devices so, they won't abandon the project this time, again thanks to Apple....
Did you get it through your work, or have you given your work privileges on your device? It may be that they've blocked Windows Hello facial recognition. Another possibility is that it's not available in your country.
@@oztabletpc Thank you. I'm very curious if the stated 28 W TDP means it will burn at base clock performances. I'm so worried, and I can't find anybody addressing its temperature on the internet :-)
Surface devices in general, are probably the most reliable PCs in general, Dell is alright, but their PCs have problems, like problems you don't expect from a device from Microsoft. If they bought more value with the Surface pro line and give more storage and a better processor than i think the Surface devices with be more attractive for people, although they are good devices.
The dystopia is already in place where Apple took over using NLP hypnosis and emotional anchoring. So not sure that a dystopia could happen inside of a dystopia. Nice profile pic.
I don't care about the surface pro 7 8 10 12 because Microsoft will never be a decent company and make a Microsoft surface pro that is upgradable which means every part on the machine is upgradable I'm not dumb enough to spend $1,000 per year on the supposedly new and improved Microsoft surface pro bullshit and all it has is a camera that has a few more pixels or just an extra camera or a touch screen that is barely noticeably faster than the last one personally the things are completely and utterly useless until you develop better software that will allow me to be more productive with the products that I spend good hard earned money on but they don't they put limitations on everything in order to force you to buy the supposed new upgraded fancier models when in reality they've had the technology for the past 30 years and most likely way more that this surface pro 7 should have been obsolete 30 years ago but these big corporations do like to milk you for every ounce of money they can possibly get out of you and it is beyond pathetic
@@oztabletpc i think he used gboard.🤣. and got confused between newer surfaces and newer iphones. i mean more cameras? which surface has more camera? barely noticeably faster, again--thats the thing with iphones and ipads, and the non-upgradability(what a word!)
This is the best video on the Pro 7+ imo. I just upgraded from a Pro 4 that I've had for years to the 7+ because of the increased battery life which is the main thing I'm looking for. One reason I love the Surfaces so much that I never hear much about is how physically durable they are. I've accidentally dropped mine countless times and it has functioned good as new all these years. I hear many folks complain about the physical design, but I don't worry so much because perhaps the durability is due to the current design; why mess with it.
I can attest to that as well! I had it in my purse one day and the purse fell off the bar area in our kitchen! I thought instantly that that had broken the screen but no... To my amazement it's still intact and brand new!
Nice video! I had a Surface Pro 6 and sold it. I've been using the Surface GO, and recently upgraded to the Surface Pro 7(reg, not business model) Current pricing made it irresistible. And I love the Surface pen. I like the Office Suite (I know MS 365!!!) I have the Studio 2, GO, and now another Pro. I couldn't be happier! (All with pens) Your recent videos on the pen were fantastic!
Keep up the great content!
Same. Had mine since college; the new ones are just a tad bit expensive, hoping to upgrade since mine is giving out soon.
Unreal how much your videos have improved over the year. Fantastic work. Great content
I'm still rockin' my surface pro 4. Hoping for a nice upgrade soon. The new Surface pro 7 prices are so tempting!
BTW, "Now that's, .... a Big Knife!!! Thanks again for all the analysis & info.
Haha... Yeah, thought I'd break out the machete for a bit of a laugh! Channelling iJustine 😂🤣
Overkill
0:07 That's not a knife. THIS is a knife.
Nice. I remember when I got the Surface Pro, All NZ retailers sold only the weakest spec models. Had to order my i7 256gb SSD 16gb RAM option from Microsoft Melbourne who also handles shipments for NZ. Got the accidental protection plan which doesn't expire until October. 2 year manufacturer warranty is better than 1.
I got the Surface Pro 7 Plus i7 16 GB of RAM and 256 GB of storage for Christmas and have to say that it's The MOST intuitive and versatile piece of tech I own!!! I love this thing and take it EVERYWHERE!
I recently got the rena pencil and the Type Cover with fingerprint ID also and want more information than I've found on how to get the most out of using those devices to improve my productivity and ease of using my surface! Can you please help me with this? I've looked everywhere for videos on how best to use them and have found little information! I'm a student currently finishing up my clinicals for my degree and would like to know more about how to get the Best use out of the technology I have! Thanks!
THank you for the review, very informative clear and engaging. I've just bought a refurbished Surface 7+ and am looking forward to using it as a complement then replacement for my trusty Surface Pro 7 which still works very well after 4 years. I liked your point at 6:30 about the Surface Pro 7 i5 (the one I have) poor performacne while on a video call. Usually my Zoom ends up freezing due to overheating whenever I'm on a Zoom for a considerable amount of time or when I try to multitask while on a call, which is very annoying. So I'm looking forward to fewer or no freezes while on Zoom on the 7+!
I really want them to have a removable SSD for the surface book line.
And RAM.
Not gonna happen
RAM, no. SSD, more likely.
@@oztabletpc tbh the surface book 3 has up to 32gb ram which is a really decent amount & probably wouldn't need upgrading.
@@JohnP.6775 agreed.
I can't get past the "instrument" you use to cut off the tapes on the sides to unbox this!
Love my SP7 but recently purchased a Samsung Galaxy Tab S7 Plus. My Tab S7 Plus gets twice the battery life, weighs less, and is much thinner. Currently, only use my SP7 for data analysis. Hope the SP8 is a major refresh both inside and out...
these are too different devices to be compared... the S7+ is the best media consumption device in the market, but you can't do anything work related, even less than on iPads...A SP7 is a laptop first, definitely not the best media consumption device. The only thing where they are close is pen usage, but the added battery life of the Samsung gives it the upper hand, unless one needs a pro app like photoshop... And for browsing, mail etc. any device will do, including a $300 iPad...
I've had an array of Samsung tablets and I don't understand the comparison with the Surface Pro 7. My SP7 is a full-on computer with desktop-class software and a desktop OS built for work. I get a lot of reading done on my tablets. Almost everything else is on my Surface Pro. YMMV of course.
Your the Go-to for Surface Pro/Pen latest info........thanks for breaking this down. "...a form factor (industrial design) change has to happen eventually..." I've been repeating that montra as my rational for holding onto my SP5 (3 yrs now) & not switching to Dell? If MS doesn't either blow-away all expectations on the next SP or just cancel it & make the SPX "truly adoptable" as a PC replacement, I believe MS is going to see A TON of Surface Pro fans/users jump ship for other 2 in 1 laptop/tablet/hybrids.....sadly.
What other real options are there anyway? For better or for worse, Microsoft basically still has full control over the Windows tablets' market. There aren't too many products that are able to compete with the Surface in terms of quality, stability and reliability. And for some reason, some brands still insist in 16:9 or 16:10 aspect ratios, which I believe makes a lot of potential buyers discard them (myself included).
@@notfound_63 Yes, in the end MS created a new PC category, paradigme w/ the SP (certainly by SP4). It's what made me adopt an "MS computer???" back in '16 w/ the SP4 & never looked back. But, ".....change has to happen eventually" has been striking like a church bell for at least the last 2 iterations of the SP.
They could easily keep this design going for business, and use the Pro X line as the next gen line of surface (with a mix of Intel and Qualcomm chips)
I'm still rocking my SURFACE 3 😁
Have you experience flickering? I would have said the same thing about my surface pro 4 but it happened to me as well few hours ago 🙄
@@elarachel not at all.. runs good as new. Maybe you should upgrade to Surface go 2 are you a student?
Same here hahah
@Sara . still going strong
haha me too but since 4 years the surface book 2 even replaced my desktop and work computer.
Nice little pocket knife you used to open the package. Your funny man. Definitely a few chops short of a barbie but funny
I saw that and with his accent all I could think of was "That's not a knife..." lol
@@doughenry7287 ever since he grew a beard and lost weight he thinks he’s a sick head. Trust me I know. He’s my buddy.
I really want to buy it, but unavailable easily. I'm trying to make my notebook survive till October and the release of surface Pro 8, hoping it has the characteristics of this 7+ and even more hopefully
I think that the naming suggest that the SP8 might be redesigned... My guess is that, in addition to what you said about corporate clients, one of the reasons for MS to wait on a redesign à la SPX is not to kill the ARM brother before it's good enough... They are trying to buy some time for a faster ARM chip and improved Windows on ARM, otherwise if they made the SP7+ a SP8 with a SPX design, who would ever buy the SPX?
thank you from india your video made me very clear to buy one .....
Fantastic review and insight thank you.
I get it, the 7+ is a tech refresh for the business enterprise and government sector, that can handle the common productivity and teleconferencing business tasks.
Even with the same exterior form factor though, those bezels need to shrink down the same way the GO2’s viewable screen was enlarged. It’s also way overdue a removable and replaceable SSD was implemented. The surface pro 7 seems light years behind the iPad Pro, but despite the iPad’s advancements, it can never be a business laptop replacement.
Perception is a funny thing isn't it... "The surface pro 7 seems light years behind the iPad Pro, but despite the iPad’s advancements, it can never be a business laptop replacement." I guess it's because the Surface Pro is a laptop that it feels lightyears ahead for me. All a matter of what you want to do with it.
@@oztabletpc For me, The Surface Pro 4 was the “game changer”. It forced Apple to add a keyboard attachable “Pro” to its iPad lineup and upended the ultralight laptop market. Surface Pro 5 and 6 aside from updated internals and retrofitted SIM card capabilities, they were all essentially the same form factor.
The Surface Pro 7 at least has a USB C port to replace the mini HDMI, but aside from the much needed USBC support and the internals it is essentially the same form factor as the Surface Pro 4.
All the modern innovations went to Surface Pro X which technically has better features across the board, but it limited by the embryonic software offerings for the Windows ARM OS and severely hamstrung performance for x86 emulation.
I do have to admit, the Surface Pro is holding its own despite the near 6 year old form factor. I’m just waiting for my GO 1 to stop working before I consider another Surface purchase.
the go 3 size is what fit me...if only they come with removable ssd like this one
I had a Surface Pro 4, then a Surface Book 2. I was looking forward to the Pro 8... for me, the screen size of the Pro 7+ is too small. I also want LTE (or 5G) + 32 GB RAM + 1 TB disk. Also, the battery life of the Pro 4 was poor, so I'd accept a slightly thicker/heavier Pro 8 to get good battery life.
surface pros in m y opinion are actually the best two and one hardware available on the market today. Why I had to shell out all the extra money to get the 7+ instead of the 8 is because I was one of the people who paid for the Kensington Docking station, several keyboards,pens and stuff that I would need to replace with the 8. Most of you can go as low as the surface pro 4 and would be ultra happy but being able to easily swap out the ssd was something I needed i my life. If you find the surface pro 7+ and want the rest of the components on the cheap then go wiht the 7+. I only regret paying for the Surface Pro 7 as my Surface Pro 5 lasted way longer. I got stuck on the window logo screen and while removing the screen to get to the ssd I I created some lines in the screen :( everything was soldered on so I wss unable to steal many components due to this but kept the donar board for when I get some flex and fire up my soldering iron.
Because the Pro 8 will be a new design closer to the Pro X, so older type covers and accessories won't work.
amazing review. cheers mate.
Great video. It's a shame this never made it to consumers. LTE is so good. I'd be happy if a Surface Pro 8 was this with Surface Go 2 bezels. I don't think they need to go full Surface Pro X. They just need to modernise it small bit. I really like the clipboard on my Surface book it feels modern. A cm or two really makes a difference.
I just sold my Surface Go 2 and replaced it with a Surface Pro X. I'm absolutely loving it. I agree with your past videos the app gap is exaggerated. Thanks to edge I now have PWA's for all my streaming services, newspapers and most other things I want. I've even using the Your phone app to get use Signal which is only available on x64. I also own a Surface Book 3, but I'm hoping by the time a Surface Pro X 2 comes out the software is at point where the X can be my only computer. The emulation still needs a lot of work. There's a lot of older apps that just don't run.
why stop half way when you can make it as good as the Pro X?
@@_Digitalguy because you can't, not with an intel chip. The surface pro x thin. You can't cram an intel chip in such a tight body. Maybe they could use the chipset Samsung used in the intel Galaxy Book S.
@@JustinSCampbell I was not referring to thinness but to bezels, for those you can, you just have to give up USB A
I think you probably can get an 11th gen i5 into an SPX. Remember that Samsung was doing something along these lines a few years ago with previous-gen chips (though with mixed results). 11th or 12th gen will be a big step forward in comparison. Maybe they'd still need the old SP7 design for the i7 model with a fan.
In any case, great comment. It's great to hear how things are going for you SPX pioneers.
I just picked up surface pro 7 and really love it so far. The sale price almost makes it a no brainer
@DS I got an i5 model with the keyboard for like $799
looking forward to battery life comparison b/w i5lte and i7? i am curious what consumes more battery? the beefier i7 or the LTE modem.
We just got the i7 models in, but I'm fairly confident that they will consume more power than LTE.
One of the great things about the corporate/business interest in surface pros is that in a few years they sell them off meaning good bargains for buying secondhand versions. Especially with ssds being removable. Less chance of being destroyed completely for security reasons. I'm looking forward to upgrading my surface pro 5 then. Is this the model the aus gov/orgs are upgrading too? Or is it the surface 8?
Yes to both Pro 8 and 7+. You raise a great point.
Thks
you alluded to performance issues when on a teams call and multitasking on a surface pro 7 (i5/256gb) . I am also having these issues and it becomes almost unusable with the lag /CPU throttling. Have you discovered any fixes that may help? apart from putting a fan on the device? or do i have to buy a m1 mac? ;(
Yeah, I think that Teams and Electron is the problem. But I'll need to check with colleagues on the latest performance of Pro 7. I had issues trying to run Excel on a Teams call mainly, so I avoided it and ran on the Pro X. Happy to report that the Pro 7+ i5 is excellent on a Teams call, although I know that's cold comfort!
@@oztabletpc very interested in understanding how this SP 7+ i5 16GB RAM (Teams call & multi tasking with say Excel, Outlook, PowerPoint or OneNote) before I order.
I’m wondering if it would be better to get the Surface Laptop 3 i5 16GB RAM for better Teams + multitasking performance than SP 7+ i5 in your review?
My current SP 5 (2017) i5 8GB RAM really struggles to cope (in above scenario) and is worse with out a mini fan pointed at it.
Any advice on above would really help.
BTW - Love videos, I’ve liked and subbed!
As a student can I get it and if so should I get it?
What a knife!⚔
Nice video. BTW what is your take on Lenovo thinkpad x1 detachable? Looks like a good contender to SP7+ can you review one?
I had one of the early X1 detachable. I was never super impressed and I was really let down by their service centre. However, the new model looks really interesting. 3:2 display!! Such a great move. Many people will love thunderbolt too. Do you know what pen tech it uses?
@@oztabletpc Wacom
AES?
Is it suitable to use pro7 i5 8g 128G to run C and MATLAB?
I have a pro 7+ but I need the type cover. I’m having a hard time finding the model number of the one I need, can you help me out?
Here is a link to the Microsoft Store. Note under Tech Specs > 'Supported Platforms' that the Pro 7+ is listed. This keyboard works with Surface Pro 3 - 7+. Pro 8, 9 and X models use the new keyboard.
Hello when is the surface pro 7 plus gonna be available for retail on Amazon USA or UK OR Walmart
At this stage, there is no information indicating that it will sell at retail. You can still purchase it from a commercial reseller. In the USA, use this web page to find out where: www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/business/where-to-buy-microsoft-surface
Hi..
Your doing great....
Does "surface 7 pro" support Excel develop mode like Excel visual basic form ?
Can you please tell me..
Yes, it is a PC and runs the desktop n of Excel, and that includes Visual Basic for Applications (VBA).
@@oztabletpc thank you so much, answers very helpful to me. Your are Awesome keep going..
@oztabletpc just wondering is it safe to use my book 2 charger (102w) on my new pro 7 plus?
I would.
HELP! I’m still motoring along with a Surface Pro 3, which I love a little irrationally...except for MS Teams, which it just cant cope with. I’ve done what I can to reduce the load but it’s still very buggy and using all the memory. There’s a fair amount of Teams in my future and I think I need to upgrade on that basis. I’m a business so can go for the Pro7+ but will I still have problems running Teams on it? There’s lots of people who seem to have the same probs as me with 7s and I’m nervous about shelling out for something that doesn’t meet the need. What have you found with your further Pro7+ testing?
Teams is much better on the 7+ than it was on the 7. I'm also hearing that the i7 model is much better on battery too. I'm using the i5 LTE and I'm happy with it.
@@oztabletpc Thank you! That’s great news. I really appreciate the response.
@@oztabletpc A note to say thanks for this info and recommendation. I bought the Pro7+ and it’s been brilliant. The difference in terms of running Teams is extraordinary and that makes such a difference to my day to day. I’m so grateful.
Is it better than the surface pro x sq2 16gb
Completely depends on what you're doing. You can't beat ARM for battery life, no fan, thin form factor. Intel wins for versatility. I have them both, but if I were choosing I'd lean to the Pro 7+ for most people.
@@oztabletpc their battery life is about the same. I travel for work within the US. I just purchased the pro x last month, I just recently find out pro7+ has 4g lte.
Well that depends again. If you're doing video calls, the Pro X will outlast the Pro 7+ quite a bit. But on average, they're around the same.
Can the surface pro 7 still mirror while your have a lock down browser
Not sure I understand the question. What do you mean by 'mirror', and 'lock down browser?'
With Windows 11.. an updated hardware for Surface Pro 8, makes a lot of sense...
Yes, this form factor, tablet convertibles, is a bit of a dead-end. Consumers have sussed that the tablet and laptop usage are both compromised and not really worth it for the convenience of an all in one. The 360-degree laptop has superseded the detachable and for obvious reasons is a lot better.
In the corporate Enterprise world, MS has an advantage with legacy and although the Surface Pro line sells well I think the truth is those backroom decisions to support MS does not necessarily equate to the Surface Pro line being the best choice? The Thinkpad X12 seems like an all-around better device, and hopefully, that will get some corporate love?
As an SP7 user, I can say it has been reliable and a very good experience since I bought the Brydge keyboard. Battery life is not as good as it needs to be so I doubt the SP7+ is EVO certified. It is a bit chunky, look at the Thinkpad to see how it should be done (though that also has battery issues). The SP X is likely the way to go as thermally the Surface Pro looks to be at its end. I think WOA SPX were meant to be bursting forth, but MS has sadly failed in its ARM development roadmap, Apple Silicon M1 being twice as fast and with the M1X likely to put them years ahead of MS Silicon they are now chasing shadows.
Personally I still think convertibles are too thick. But way better than a laptop for anyone who needs to think at work.
@@oztabletpc Yes, that is def a downside and in the end it is subjective, but for me, my workload is 75% based on a keyboard, the convertible is the better fit. Cheers!
The point is not being as good as Apple Silicon, but as good as intel... If the combination of hardware and software manages to catch up with Intel at some point, sevel issues will be solved and even new form factors will become possible....For me too the problem with convertibles is that they are too heavy for use as tablets, so you just end up using them as laptops. If, thanks to ARM they manage to make a convertible with good battery life that's as light as a Surface pro without keyboard, then yes, this will be the new king.
@@_Digitalguy I agree, just seems like MS and Qualcomm are not really inspiring me with hope that they are doing anything or could achieve it? Maybe they will surprise me later this year!
@@andyH_England I think Apple Silicon has has been a big "wake-up" moment for these companies. No wonder Qualcomm acquired Nuvia exactly for this reason and MS started developing their own ARM chips (official for their Azur severs...) after Apple Silicon. Qualcomm in particular had underestimated the potential of ARM on laptops but Apple Silicon has been, unintentionally, the biggest push for Windows on ARM. But it will take a couple of years for them to be competitive with Intel, but at this point people have realized that x86 has hit a ceiling and cannot grow anywhere near as fast as ARM, especially in thermally constrained devices so, they won't abandon the project this time, again thanks to Apple....
Does the SP8 has sd slot?
No, it does not.
So is there a air fan in the i7 model? 🤔
Yes, only in the i7.
@@oztabletpc dang then it will be a i5 😃 tyvm for replying
Does the 'Microsoft Hello' work on it?
My 7 Pro still tells me unavailable, try again later.
Yes, it works on all of my Surface including the Pro 7. It sounds like something else is using your camera or you have another issue.
Did you get it through your work, or have you given your work privileges on your device? It may be that they've blocked Windows Hello facial recognition. Another possibility is that it's not available in your country.
Very decent presentation. Most guys become like a yo-yo on RUclips. Keep it up mate.
Next time you should use a bigger knife (must be an australian thing with those knifes 😂 )
That's not a knife! 🤣
You never told how it performed in video calls?
It preforms well.
@@oztabletpc Are you using screen sharing too?
Yes
Will do a proper review soon.
@@oztabletpc Thank you. I'm very curious if the stated 28 W TDP means it will burn at base clock performances. I'm so worried, and I can't find anybody addressing its temperature on the internet :-)
That is NOT a knife, it is a MACHETE...lol #kudos
Surface devices in general, are probably the most reliable PCs in general, Dell is alright, but their PCs have problems, like problems you don't expect from a device from Microsoft.
If they bought more value with the Surface pro line and give more storage and a better processor than i think the Surface devices with be more attractive for people, although they are good devices.
Could u get it but not for buisness
Yes, you can. You just have to find a commercial reseller who will sell it to you..
I have ssd reading and writing speed of 3500m/s 1T
You have upgraded it?If yes which brand and model?Thanks mate
Why is surface pro 7+ not 8? They want to release a new design with the new generation of windows.
Maybe. Hope so!
I gave up on Surface after buying the 6 because it was too much like the 4..... 5 years later nothing changes
You gave up on the line not because it didn't do the job as well as other devices, but because you were bored with the design?
The Arc Mouse is a clever design but awful in real life.
That advert looks like a dystopia where Microsoft have taken over the world
The dystopia is already in place where Apple took over using NLP hypnosis and emotional anchoring. So not sure that a dystopia could happen inside of a dystopia. Nice profile pic.
a machete to open a box. f*.
Macbook M1 too good can’t compare a windows pc 😂 Apple mac typewriters ha ha ha ha
I don't care about the surface pro 7 8 10 12 because Microsoft will never be a decent company and make a Microsoft surface pro that is upgradable which means every part on the machine is upgradable I'm not dumb enough to spend $1,000 per year on the supposedly new and improved Microsoft surface pro bullshit and all it has is a camera that has a few more pixels or just an extra camera or a touch screen that is barely noticeably faster than the last one personally the things are completely and utterly useless until you develop better software that will allow me to be more productive with the products that I spend good hard earned money on but they don't they put limitations on everything in order to force you to buy the supposed new upgraded fancier models when in reality they've had the technology for the past 30 years and most likely way more that this surface pro 7 should have been obsolete 30 years ago but these big corporations do like to milk you for every ounce of money they can possibly get out of you and it is beyond pathetic
Wow. What a sentence. You said it all without a pause! Do you feel better now?
@@oztabletpc i think he used gboard.🤣. and got confused between newer surfaces and newer iphones. i mean more cameras? which surface has more camera? barely noticeably faster, again--thats the thing with iphones and ipads, and the non-upgradability(what a word!)