Thanks for the stuttering. I am still nervous from time to time when in front of the camera. But I hope this will get better in the future. Regarding your point of view with the design language. I just think that Microsoft is really slow when it comes to adapting to market trends and thin bezels and USB-C ports are just two things where it is clearly noticeable. Keeping the Surface port and adding a second type-c port could be a compromise here. Also I would love to use a i5 fan-less version of the Surface Pro 7 and see how this performs. Mine is just to noisy and the battery runs short. But maybe I am just a power user forcing it too much at the end.
Seriously? The number 1 reason not to buy is because it "looks outdated"? I care more about what a device does. Looking stylish is nice, but it's not a deal breaker.
The message was: Do not buy it because it´s at the end of it´s life cycle and it will get a complete hardware refresh pretty soon. And I think Microsoft will crush it with the new Surface Pro lineup.
I personally don't care about esthetics but thunderbolt 3 is almost at end of life and yet it's shines by its absence here. That's probably the worst part of this laptop for me.
After owning the surface pro 7 for a close to a year, I don't really see the design being an issue. To me, the design is very sleek and I believe that companies often change their designs when they find a flaw. The fact that the design hasn't been changed means that the there are extremely minimal or close to no flaws in the design. However, I agree with you that the battery life and the fan are probably the two biggest issues that microsoft needs to address for the next surface pro model.
Reason No. 1...outdated design! Honestly, what would you say then for the ipad? Or any other laptop out there? Stopped watching the moment you said that.
No, way more. Better thermals, better IO port organization, better screen ratio as it looks a bit too stretched upwards, driver compatiblity improvement, better speakers. thats all i can think of for the average user.
Yes! The battery life is "disappointing" but considering the size of the device and all the capability stored inside it, we might of been expecting more than reasonable. We are getting a lot that definitely feels worth the slight sacrifice of battery life which isn't all that bad all things considered :))
Using pro 7 with i5 8Gb config for 6 months now. 1) the design is alright, bezels make it easier to hold and write in tablet mode. 2) really? 3) i can't comment as I don't use an i7 version
@@Eagle10021 not at all. Been using for almost 7-8 months, still just as stiff as it was when I came, although I must add that I am very careful while using it.
Why not skip the surface connector? Because surface pro is a mobile device and while moving it you may not remember that its plugged in and you may damage the cable or drop the surface. So magnetic is always better althought prop connector limits the options that is why they added type c.
@The Idea of Technology, seems to be quite an honest review based on experience. Not the usual ones full of sugar. I appreciate it. All the best to you and your channel 👍
First problem- old design Fix is dbrand skin Second problem- not much battery life and has fan Fix is plug it in and use i5 chip Third problem- pen doesn't work and is slow and not useable Fix is get a good amount of storage.
I agree that there is defiantly a display driver issue that I have seen on my surface laptop 3 and surface pro 4. Its a screen flicker that occurs when the mouse is at the top of the screen and sometimes just randomly the screen goes completely off.
and just after you passed the warranty period the screen start shaking, image ghosting, overheating and phantom touch on your screen. miscrosoft should do unlimited product recall warranty for the dasign flaw.
this is fact. unless the surface pro 8 is a complete redesign and addresses these problems, i'm done with the surface pro line. microsoft does not deserve our money when they design products to fail like this.
I have owned and use the surface Pro 7 i5 256 8Gb ram for about 3 months now. 1) the bezels are not HUGE, I don't mind them when working and I rest my fingers on them when using it as a tablet so they're useful. 2) I use a type C adapter for extra ports when hooking it upto a monitor. Its a thin and light device I don't know what you expected with ports. 3) battery life is decent, its not amazing. I have been able to get 10 hours of content consumption out of this. It supports type c charging so the surface connect isn't a problem.
I just bought this tablet with my tax money, i5 128GB - reason, it looks beautiful and I kinda need a Microsoft computer (only have apple). The design really drew me in and I like the lightening cable style charger. This guy is a bit nitpicky on certain things. I can understand point three though. I haven’t used Microsoft Teams yet, so only time will tell.
I have the i5 version and was interrested in seeing an different opinion. From WHAT I read and your own review, the i7 seems to be a bad combination for this platform. I can go through the day without any issue with mine. Drivers are fine. I drive 3 screens including the laptop's one, all from 1 usb-c cable. It gets charged, my USB keyboard/mouse and other periferals are connected through the first screen's integrated USB hub while the other screen is connected to this first screen through displayport out (mst). I use teams everyday, all day long and I've never had an issue. I've had a Lenovo yoga x1 with an I7 (which retailed at over 3 times what this surface costs) and to be completely honest, I sent it back since this surface does everything it did better, and then some. The pen is so much better, there's no place for debate here. I sincerely feel like you're either looking for clicks, or maybe you've got something personal against Microsoft? Overall, maybe you've got a lemon, maybe the i7 version is really just terrible. All I can say is the i5 version is a really good value for the price. The only hiccup I had was a usb-c connection/disconnection loop (windows sound looping). I could see the USB-hub had a problem with a device and honestly didn't know what to do. Looking for answers didn't point me to anything obvious except siaabling the port, which was out of question as you might understand! I ended up rebooting (!) and voilà. It happened once more and that time disconnecting / reconnecting the usb-c cable fixed the issue. I since then updated the drivers from Microsoft website (500mb package) and fingers crossed,it didn't happen again. all in all, a great device, especially considering the price.
oh, I need to add that I do agree with the amount of ports though. 2 Usb-c is a bare minimum for me. I get by with just one but it's definitely a big downside to this tablet.
@@mugeninfinite500 Not sure what "slow loading times" is referring to. That being said, the i5 was WELL enough snappy all around in my usage. It was my main machine for 3 months and I would buy/use one again in a heartbeat. If ports aren'T a turn-off, to me, the Surface is an awesome computer and the tactile screen is superior to most if not every other 2 in 1 I tried. I currently have the HP Envy (Ryzen CPU) and although I like it, it's not even close to the surface in terms of ease of use. The envy is a bit more powerful, sure, but the surface's battery lasted longer, and handling the device was a totally different (better) experience.
@@jonathanflores6524 Battery lasted a whole day and then some if used very lightly. If you're drawing non-stop though you'll see that the surface heats-up and the battery will drain quite fast (2 hours, 3 maybe?). But that'S to be expected of ANY device. In my book, the battery life was more than acceptable, especially considering the form factor.
For me the surface proprietary port is still useful for power charging because it is magnetically attached to the device. For such a light device, in a university classroom or with kids playing around, it is a peace of mind. For the rest, I totally agree with you, even I understand why you think the proprietary port is outdated.
I liked your video and I agree with your points about the Surface Pro 7. I ordered the 7+ version and I believe that most of the negative points have been eliminated - except for the design that's still the same! I don't like what the Surface Pro 8 has done about the micro sd slot. IMO that is essential.
No. 1 - Looks Outdated RE - It is designed so that you can use the same keyboard for any other generation back to Gen 4. No. 2 - Not "Pro" RE - I doubt Microsoft made it to render 4K video on a single charge. As for the temperature, just because it can handle 100C does not mean is should constantly, most CPUs throttle performance at 100C as well. The i3 and i5 dont need active cooling since they can run passively and weren't meant for heavy loads.
I completely agree with those 3 points, and what’s more annoying is that those were the 3 problems my surface pro 4 had in its time. I bought the 7 in the only difference is in speed. The rest is as bad or good as it used to be. Microsoft doesn’t show too much care for their devices, especially on the software side. This thing has been buggy af
I'm fairly set on buying one. My only issue is that I see it more as a tablet than a laptop, so too bad I can't use Google Playstore (except apparently I can with an android emulator). The only android comparison to me would be the Samsung Tab 7, but it lacks good drawing software unlike the IPad Pro with Procreate.
As a surface pro 7 owner (more than a year) i can say that the first reason is the software, full of BUGS. The worst: Sometimes happens that the device drain 80% of the battery when in standby in the bag. The lightest: the automatic "Reading mode" doesnt turn off automatically, you have to turn it off manually every single day.
This review was written 3 years ago when the Microsoft Surface Pro 7 Intel Core i7 16GB was still running on Windows 10. I strongly suspect this device will be working a whole lot better with most of the mentioned kinks and bugs resolved via numerous firmware updates between then and now. Most importantly, these devices will almost certainly be running Windows 11 Pro, which is highly stable and tends to work a lot more flawlessly than Windows 10 ever did. This device is now "old" by modern standards and can be picked up at a huge discount as a refurbished device. I'm presently using a Surface Pro 5 Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and apart from an ageing battery, it's been flawless - never had problems with MS Teams - as long as it was plugged in. The Surface Pro 7 is now being advertised as a refurb in the UK for £499 - that's with an Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD - and of course Windows 11 Pro pre-installed. It would be safe to assume that by now, this device would have had all the important firmware updates for the last 3 years installed. Yes, of course the battery will not be perfect at this vintage but it will still work. I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these for the price - I could use the upgraded Intel Core i7 processing capability and the 16GB RAM.
MS Teams works perfectly if you have a 16GB RAM Surface Pro 7. Once in a while you do have to flush cache %appdata%/Microsoft/Teams if > 1 GB data in that folder. Deleting that folders contents fixes up Teams issues.
Yeah, very likely. But I ´ve now tried everything. Fresh windows install, auto driver updates via windows update as well as forced updates via Microsoft Surface Dirver packages as well as intel sideloading. Nothing works and at this point this can´t be right.
I have been using a Surface Pro 7 i7 for about a half year and I am happy with it and I do recommend it for many usages. I had a Surface Pro 4 which was stolen so I tried to live with a normal laptop, but missed the Surface Pro and got the 7 i7. I really like the surface adapter, which is much safer than a USB-C charger as it will disconnect if something happens with the cable. It also works very well with my Kensington SD7000 docking station. I haven't had any issues with the pen probably because I haven't played around with beta software. I would like some more control over the fan so I can put it into fanless low performance mode.
That sounds great. I must be honest that the Apple MagSafe adapter was way better compared to the Microsoft implementation. The Surface Pro 7 is still the best detachable on the market and the performance of the i7 model ist just crazy. The size of the heatsink and the fan ist just bottlenecking this awesome CPU.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology The 15W i7 in the Pro 7 does what it is surposed to. Under load it spin to 40W for a few seconds, then drops to 25 - 30W for a minute or two before dropping to 15W forever. That is a very responsive profile for most usages but of cause not for long heavy loads. Yoy can make it run @25W forever with an external fan. I've done that a few times during video rendering to speed up the rendering process though the Pro 7 is not ment for that.
I’m currently looking Into a new laptop to replace my ASUS K53U. I would like a 2 in 1 as I don’t have a tablet. I looking into the surface pro 7 or a surface go 2. #advice
@@redladybug9180 I have both the Surface Pro 7 i7 and the Surface Go 2 M3 and I like them both for different purposes. I got the Go 2 to travel light and for not being as expensive as the Pro 7 when travelling. The Pro 7 feels big and a little heavy compared with the Go 2. I prefer the Pro 7 full size keyboard as I make more typing errors with the Go 2 keyboard. I prefer the more powerful Pro 7 for heavy tasks but the Go 2 M3 is sufficient for most tasks. The Go 2 is completely silent where the Pro 7 i7 has a little fan noise when doing some work with power supply . The Pro 7 i7 is silent most of the time on battery. So it depends on your needs.
Hello, I have purchased a Surface pro 7 like almost 2 month and replaced the product once due to overheating while charging and also working for more than 2 hours, So my advice to you NOT to buy surface pro 7 and after service is worse. I also found that my second replacement is having the same problem(overheating) and I can not connect my any bluetooth device like earphones or speakers. This problem does not exist on my older surface i.e. before replacement. I have purchased it for study and also for office use. Even the battery is not up to the mark it can't last long for half a day. SO AS MY HONEST AND FAIR REVIEW TO YOU IS NOT TO BUY SURFACE PRO 7.
Just know that I had to sped up to 1.5x to be able to stay focus. One other thing is that I put you on background because you were all talk and no present. Video format is not for someone who talks all the time. Finally, for this title "not buy at this time" to have any merit, please update your experience after a few weeks/months, if anything changes.
I would go for it. Depending what you doing it gets the job done. But using VMs or other resource intense workloads could be a bit too much and you should go for the upcoming Surface laptop 4 with more cores and horsepower.
ich finde es gut das dass Design sich nicht geändert hat. so funktionieren auch alte Tastaturen und hüllen etc. dein Punkt mit dem Lüfter habe ich überhaupt nicht verstanden, auf der einen Seite sagst du es soll mehr Kapazität für "Kühlung" also gehe ich von Lüfter aus im neuen surfce verwendet werden aber dann sagst du selbst dass der Lüfter nervt und man auch auf passiv gekühlte Geräte ausweichen kann. Vielleicht habe ich das auch nicht verstanden aber man bekommt das Gefühl, du weißt nicht was du willst. soll das gerät besser gekühlt werden oder lieber leise sein? um auch was Positives zu sagen den MS Charger mit einem USB C auszutauschen klingt überzeugend und sinnvoll. Auch ist dein Video Professionell und gut gemacht nur deine Argumente sind mangelhaft. so sehe ich das zumindest, vielleicht liest du ja mein Feedback ^^
I won't bash the man for his opinions but I have to say that as far as design it seems like more of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" situation with the tablet. The I/O is definitely surprisingly behind where I would expect it to be in 2020 but realistically I can't see it as a huge deal since the only improvement I would have personally been satisfied with is Thunderbolt. It packs the essentials and I can't imagine a true power user is going after this device with the intention of carrying out power user tasks on it. It's target demographic is going to care more about the convenience, mobility, and productivity potential more so than anything else. And in terms of its physical form and aesthetic I still say it is a very sleek device that just happened to be ahead of its time when it was first launched and is just now blending in with the rest of what the market has to offer. There are plenty of alternatives out there, Windows or Android, that are without a doubt a better value but overall I see nothing terribly wrong with the Surface Pro on paper. Especially so for users who travel for work but still need a powerful and productive work station on the go. Extra note: The power connection format isn't so much outdated as it is proprietary for the purposes of selling less knowledgeable users replacement power cables. If this wasn't the case then they likely wouldn't currently be charging a whopping $90 for a power supply on their own storefront. I do feel that a dedicated USB-C for charging would have been nice but they also likely knew that by having a proprietary connection the user would be forced to choose between using up the only USB-C port available (also prompting the user to consider purchasing the surface dock) or replace a damaged Surface Connect charger. From a business perspective this design is actually pretty smart. Last note, the Surface Pro isn't what I would consider a work from home device. It is just forced to be one right now if it wants to be sold.
What's your point, this is your opinion, which is also not based on anything and maybe not your taste, and that involves your Mac, I suspect that you are a Microsoft hater and are promoting Apple here. I have a Surface Pro 7 i7/16GB and it works perfectly. It does what it's supposed to do and I'm very happy with it. And what do you mean, old design, it's beautiful and I think you know very little about technology. The CPU is not a desktop CPU but a mobile CPU. How can you put a CPU in the Surface that gets 100 degrees Surface does not have active cooling. I think this is typical of a talk from an ex-employee of Microsoft who lashes out. We don't know why you're out of there, that you have an opinion about something okay, but calling on people not to buy the Surface is going a long way. Should we all go over to the MAC with its dictatorial OS, didn't think so my friend. I think most of the responses are clear. You can count yourself lucky that Microsoft doesn't sue you, again opinion is allowed, but calling people out not a product because of a personal opinion is even punishable in my opinion.
I got one to use more as a tablet that I can connect to my music hardware and run music plugins, and as a replacement to my budget 2-in-1 laptop. Sure, I wouldn't lean on this to do actual work, and I don't really care about having the latest and greatest, but just an actual tablet that runs actual desktop apps, even if those apps aren't optimized for it.
Its a tablet/ laptop it has pretty good drivers and processor for it being as small as it is. Also battery life also depends on the load and programs you are using on the tablet/laptop.
Small? Compare the surface pro7 to the ipad lineup or in windows the HP Elite Dragonfly and repeat your sentence. i3 in 2021 is completely ridiculous, and so is 4gb of ram. the thermals are horrible. With a fan, the i7 overheats with around 10 tabs on chrome with discord in the background. i5 thermal throttles due to lack of thermal paste after maybe a year of constant school use and light gaming (aimlabs, aiming.pro, idk minecraft?) and requires an external fan to keep it from being too hot. I run out of battery after a day of school, taking notes with a stylus with only onenote and a few pages open.
I still have the same problems in Teams. The GPU acceleration ist not the problem in my case. And this weird throttling occurs even faster with higher outdoor temperatures.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology if you have adaptive brightness on then it may turn up the brightness outdoor that heats up the screen, may cause throttling. Another thing i found out on my sp3 previously is that the printer spooling sometimes just keeps running by itself taking up cpu resources. Not sure if this is still the case with sp7 or a window problem. I just turned this to manual instead of auto start on on sp7. Doing this might help to keep things cool for the cpu.
As far as I understood from the explanations given in this video it will be painful to use MS Teams on Surface Pro7. Actually that is the most important for me since I am planning to give lectures over MS Teams. Can anyone provide further info about this issue? It is a big problem if it hasn't been solved yet.
To be fair Microsoft worked a lot on making the experience with MSFT Teams on the Surface Pro 7 better. Still, there are sometimes problems when using fancy backgrounds with your cam and having calls with a lot of people in it. But basically, it is usable with the most features and is reasonably fast. But it is not the best experience. As someone here in the comments mentioned, Microsoft usually needs a year to fix most problems in software. Please do not use the Intel drivers.
Instead of focusing on design and software bugs which I think design is fine and bugs need to iron out, perhaps you can do a video on what you should not use it for, like video renderings etc. Can see that you are nervous, practise first a few times and choose the best clips to use.
Ridiculous how the like to dislike ratio is like that. Completely unfair, your points are valid I used a surface pro 7 for a year fopr school, attempting to find a replacement for my ipad for i hated switching between ios for campus and my pc at my dorm. Surface pros are far from replacing any product in the market. The thermals are garbage, it overheats when I try to jot notes during class on onenote or draw on my bed when im bored, not to mention it hits 60 degrees when charging and 80 degrees during light gaming such as aimlabs. the drivers is full of bugs, half the time my camera wouldnt work due to services being disabled and the bezels make it look so old. The silver backplate is a fingerprint magnet and is extremely prone to scratches, the type cover is constantly disconnecting when flipping it up and requires 5 seconds or so for it to reconnect
I completely disagree with a few points. For one, the Microsoft power connection is a must for me. I have multiple workstations with the surface dock. We have multiple users in my household with Surface products. If Msoft goes away from this, it would be terrible. It would be nice for a smaller bezel, but I hope they keep the shape and accessory compatibility the same. Hoping the 8 pretty much uses the same chassis.
Thank you! I am about to buy myself new tool for everyday work, and that bs with mobile processor (not enough power, not enough cooling, temp cap, etc.) is keeping me still in search after good one month of research. Sometimes I find my old M520 processor performing faster than modern devices hands down. It's crazy what happened in this industry in last 5 years...
honestly the i5 version is more than enough for my work needs. I'm a solution architect and most of my work consists of meetings and documentation editing which includes some image editing (the pen is great for sketching!) it's a 9/10 for me. The only thing I miss would be a second usb-c port. Seriously Microsoft, screw the weird proprietary port and put some more usb-c there.
@@Fostravel Honestly I hope they don't remove the Microsoft Port, i have the docking station and i don't want re-buy one different when I'll buy my next Surface. Second usb-c is not the answer because it's not magnetic.
@@mntmichele I can understand your concern regarding your particular setup but if you think about it objectively, it's been caused by the proprietary port to begin with. As for magnetic USB-c port, here is what I use: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B082F63XZW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 If for any reason the link doesn't work, search for this in Amazon: Magnetic USB C Adapter, pogomag PD 100W Fast Charge 20Pin Type C Adapter 10 Gbps Data Transfer 4K Video Output Compatible with MacBook Pro and Before, MacBook Air 2019/2018 and More Usb C Devices Grey
So these reasons are you opinion... in reality I use my windows edge to edge usually... to place windows or just gadgets. If the bezels were thinner i think i would press some icons by mistake. Mine worked a little odd untill january 2021 when the updates made it flawless. One of the most stable devices i've owned. Love it for drawing apps and i can play red dead redemption 2 in my garden (because inside it thermo throttles-outside is colder). sp7 i5 8gb ram.
There are two opportunities. 1. Wait for the Surface Pro 8 because this will get a lot of fixes and should be way better. 2. At the moment I would recommend going for a convertible instead of a detachable like the Surface Pro. This serves basically the same approach an features. The HP Spectre x360 looks like the best solution at the moment and you can choose Intel or AMD.
XPS is a laptop not a 2 in 1 and the bezels are actually useful when using it as a tablet. Without them, it would just be a pain...I still like the surface pro design very much, more than the X. As for the battery, I mean I get almost 4 hours in a 6-year-old Surface Pro 3 using even Photoshop and Illustrator! How do you get 1 to 4 on the 7? That's quite weird...
so about 1,5 years ago i got a surface pro 2017 with the m3 processer (got baited by the low price) for university. Now i swapped to another subject, where my m3 surface doesnt hold up at all anymore cuz i need more computing power. Was looking to buy the pro 7 because i saw a deal for about 700€ for the i5 version and because i can reuse my keyboard and pen. Now i'm tempted to wait for the pro 8,though i need a solution fast . Also the pro 8 is probably gonna be a lot pricier at launch (which is a major factor for me as i'm a student and can hence only work a few hours each week) and chances are im gonna need a new type cover and pen which will add up the price even more. i want to stay with a surface as i need windows 10 as the operating system and have been really happy with my current one except the performance of the m3 cpu. Which one do you / you guys from the comments think i should go for ?
If I were you I would go for the Surface Pro 7 with the i5. Enough performance for the next years, good deals at the moment and the Pro 8 is probably not worth the wait. The m3 models are pretty slow and you will love how snappy the new model feels.
I agree. I am disappointed microsoft brought out the 7 with such minimal enhancements over the 6. Those bezels need to go fo sho. With today's tech there is no reason why it can't be 98% screen with option for users to add bezels or non-touch reactive areas for those who need to use it in hand and back to 98% when using it out of hand. I'm hoping the 8 will fix all the issues or else I'm buying something else again.
@@looneyburgmusic they could simply give us the option to have more or less bezels and to make that area touch sensitive or not, the same way phones create a bezel/border when watching videos.
I'm switching from desktop to something more mobile. So I want a laptop I can carry around easier. I wanna use it for drawing/painting/illustration, graphic design, photo editing, animating, some video editing and maybe learn how use those 3D programs. I'll probably use it like how I used my desktop so some light video gaming as well. Anyone here know if Surface Pro 7 i7 is good enough for that? Or is the Asus ZenBook Duo UX481 14” better for it?
The design isn't even bad at all come on ! They did this so we don't have to buy another keyboard again for every new Surface Pro. And so all accessories from SP4 can be used to 5,6, 7, and even probably 8.
the battery is glued in, designed to fail, will eventually expand and take the screen with it, will become a potential fire hazard, and is impossible to repair. thanks to the deliberately shitty design of the internals, the entire device will have to be trashed in 3 to 4 years. if you want a good reason not to buy it, that's it. pains me to say this. i love the idea of the surface pro series, but this is planned obsolescence at its worst. i have a surface pro 4 and speak from experience.
I have owned a Surface Pro 7 for about 1.5 years now, I have no issue with the design. I rather like that it is similar to my older Surface Pro 3. The battery life is not great. A second USB C port would be good and replace that old power cable. I have had issues with the usbc c port and external monitors, it only works with high speed HDMI cables and very specific adapters. None of the other 5 computers here have that issue.
As a designer, the surface pro 7 is THE worst!! If you use Adobe CC....dont get to excited. If you need Photoshop, Illustratior....its gonna freeze up and can barely keep. if you plan to use After effects you can only do one project with so any changes before it freezes up. Ive never been able to use Premiere Pro. Unity eats up the whole thing. especially if you are like me and like to recreate scenes from Zelda, Minecraft, etc. Avoid, just get a PC (or gaming laptop)
I’m currently looking Into a new laptop to replace my ASUS K53U. I would like a 2 in 1 as I don’t have a tablet. I’m currently choosing between surface pro 7 or surface go 2.
As a desktop user who also has a Surface the biggest downside to the Surface and the reason I still have to keep my desktop is that the Surface can only add 2 external monitors. My 7 yr old Dell PC can run 3 very big ones. With the Surface I'd have to use the small Surface monitor as my 3rd monitor which is a significant downgrade to what I've been using for over 10 years.
As a main device I would go for the Surface Book. The only valid reason for the Surface Pro 7 would be that you are a creator who needs also a tablet with a good stylus. Despite this grab a Surface Boor. It´s an everyday workhorse.
@@ntnlaaron770 Then go for the Surface Pro 7 or if you can wait see what the Surface Pro 8 will bring or maybe even the Surface X could be suitable for you with it´s ARM-based processors. When you want stylus and tablet mode the HP order Lenovo Convertibles are also pretty nice.
It's an amazing device. The downsides are the screen reflection and the non-changeable SSD. Pro+ has changed that already. It's the best thing Microsoft has created ever.
Is there an obviously better product out there? I've been looking for a small-ish laptop/tablet that I could maybe do some light 3d sculpting/modeling with. What I'm seeing now are the new ryzen mobile chips(unfortunately usually paired with crappy screens!).
@@TheIdeaofTechnology I've been looking strongly at the x360(specs look great) but I've heard bad things about the screen. Maybe it doesn't matter if the screen is a little lower performance.
I'm glad this guy doesn't work for Microsoft design. He would make a bigger loss for them than Surface RT. Apple didn't change their laptop design for over 10 years... still selling like hot cakes. They changed for change sake... and failed miserably - worse keyboard. Useless touchbar... loss of Magnetic power connector.
I absolutely agree with the three mentioned features from the MacBooks and how useless they are. But the MacBooks definitely changed over the last 10 years with higher resolution screens and less bezel size, more modern ports (still missing HDMI and SD card reader) and even changing the CPU architecture lately. Microsoft proves to have the more modern design with the Surface Pro X and even trying new stuff with the duo.
I have the version with i5 and the problem with the battery was the first thing that bothered me. The duration is lousy, sometimes only up to 2 hours with simple tasks like Microsoft Office. The Surface despite being a Microsoft product, more than half the time Windows Hello does not work and I have to enter with the pin. It's a shame that after so long they haven't improved it. In the end I stopped using it as a tablet because it is very heavy and the battery life is bad. Now I have an iPad Pro and the tablet function is excellent, I can use the programs I need and also get distracted with YT and it can hold me for 7-8 hours of continuous use.
In just a few months l started having problem with my laptop, it would sometimes switch on and sometimes now, very random. Then I haven't used it for sometime ,now the laptop doesn't switch on at all. I just used it for few months. Its over one year can't even use the warranty. I've tried all my ways to restart the laptop, but it doesn't seem to..
Bula bro, I was looking to buy one and came across yo video. Now im not gonna buy it coz of tgis problem. Any suggestions of other brands tgat i can use with better battery and etc.. ??
Can any one help me my bae is in collage and needs a new computer should I get the pro 7 or the Inspiron 15 7000 2 in 1 any help be greatly appreciated, thank you 🙏
It heavily depends on the need for portability and creativity. The new Inspiron 700 2 in 1 with the latest Intel 11th gen CPU is more versatile and the better all-rounder. The Surface Pro 7 is better for work with the pen in pure tablet mode. It is smaller and pretty great for students. But if you have no problem with a bit more weight and size and do not want to carry a dongle the Inspiron gives you more performance and flexibility for a great price. But that is just my humble opinion.
Yah the lead sounded odd . Don't get because of the looks? True the new 8 will most likely look better, but not a good enough reason to lead with. Has anyone else had trouble connecting monitors. I have the Surface Dock 2 and can not seem to connect 2 HP 24f monitors. Now I was able to with the Plagables triple monitor dock, but the Surface Pro 7 got really hot. Not sure if that is a big deal.
I would never buy another Surface Pro laptop again. My barely 3+-year-old Surface Pro 4 has a bulging battery that is pushing out the front screen. Microsoft will not repair/replace the problem battery which clearly is defective and the only option they offer is for me to pay $450.00 to get it swapped with a refurbished one. Due to the design of the device, I can't even take out the battery and run it on the power cord as this unit can not be powered on with a power cord only. So, if you are ok with only using a Surface Pro laptop until its battery deteriorates, go ahead. Microsoft customer service sucks!!
1. design is very good. don't fix if is not broken, 2. total BS..... you are complaining because is to cold.... 3.. softer is amazing ( pen works perfect)
Been using Surface Pro 7 a little over a year. Battery barely lasts a bit over 2 hours. It lags more than I can bear. I like the form factor. Surface + M1 based MA performance = Ultimate laptop
I normally hate proprietary charging connectors, but the magnetic connector, for me, is a huge benefit. My surface pro 3 and 4 get knocked around a lot, and the micro usb charger on the 3 didn't take long to have serious charging connectivity issues. The breakaway magnetic charger on the 4 has been put to the test over and over and over again, and never, ever fails me. I also like the indicator light on it and how it sits flush with the tablet instead of sticking straight out like it does on the 3. I'd prefer a smaller bezel, yes, but I also don't really care. And apart from the rather thick bezel, the general design language of the pro is absolutely, positively, flawlessly perfect for that I need in a laptop. I have no problems with the battery life I get out of the 4, it feels pretty stable and reliable for the size of the machine. I even kind of like the thick bezel because it give me a place to put my damn hands to adjust or hold the tablet without impeding the screen or forcing my hands into sharp edge. It's why I hate edgeless phones. The only major gripe I have is the price. I honestly hate that there are no good windows OS alternatives. I don't like the hard dock keyboards or flip over modes, I like the weight, dimensions, and utility I get from it. But Microsoft is absolutely charging a full 25% or more too much for what you get, and gouging us absolutely inexcusably on the keyboard. For fuck's sakes, I went to price a 7 today and after my 20% student discount, it still cost $50 MORE from microsoft than amazon wants for it. And they shouldn't fucking sell it with a 4gb RAM option. It was the option I went with for my pro 4 and it has been agony. Honestly, I'll probably get a 7 once the 8 comes out. I hope the 8 does make a fancier, smaller bezel design that makes people think the 7/6/5 are now worthless garbage so I can snap one up, because it doesn't bug me at all.
Ever thought your battery issues are because you don't charge it correctly? I'm not sure it was actually supposed to be permanently charged via USB c?? Like why would they provide the surface charger if that was not supposed to be used to charge it
Yeah, you are right. This could be a valid point. But I think when it´s fully charged and I unplug it from the wall it shouldn't be important how I charged it in the first place. A full battery still is a full battery and the wear level is at 98% so this should be fine. USB-C charging is an alternative and I don't know a reason why you should not use it permanently. Yes, the Surface charger is faster because it´s proprietary and made for the Surface. In my opinion, the surface connector has no real purpose anymore since USB-C is the industry standard. And yes the MagSafe magnetic stuff is pretty cool and unique.
many of my cowrkers have issue with MS Teams. it looks Surface Pro with core i7 is bad combination probably becaus i7 needs more cold air but too narrow to perform with its max spec. very good reveiw with real/honest impression made by actual user. I watched 10 or bit less reviews with promoters without actual experence. however 1 min opening movie is too long it needless 4.5 out of 5.0 comments are new, convincing since it's same as most of my coworkers annoyded by MS teams. very good review
Screen burning due to lack of internal cooling unresponsive and frustrating “tablet mode” that does not respond to touch at all. Perfectly working model. Will never get another of these.
"outdated design"? Like the design of car tires is "outdated"? This idea that devices should have no bezels is idiotic. With no bezel where do you HOLD the damn thing without blocking part of the screen?!
You are absolutely right. I would recommend getting the i5 model. The performance of the i7 is crazy for this thin and light device but I would go for less performance and less noice with more batterylife.
this vid is stupid , i love surface pro 7 and im going to buy it with 16 gb ram and i7 processors , at least thats the one i have my eye on ,.. i also like the design it's much much better than other laptops i couldn't even find a detachable laptop with the same light waight and slim design while having i7 16GB ram !! .... so im going to buy it and since you have 813 dislikes on ur video im going to be number 814 ...
why is such a big problem if it is old, it is , but is reliable, opinions are just that, microsoft is not trying to sell that model as new, it is still very modern , theres a pro 7 + consumer edition even after the pro 8 got anounced
I'm looking at buying surface Pro 7+ was trying to listen to this video, your voice the sound) is booming a bit? so hard to follow will re -listen again. Sounds like you are familiar with the previous Surface pro's cant see a date for pro 8 , so its the 7 + I'm considering still.
Do you have any feedback? What should be better? Leave a comment and I can improve on this in the future.
Improve your speech cadence. You seem knowledgeable, but your cadence is choppy at times.
@Taha Ahmad nop i got 6h max , if the battery can stay around 10 with medium performance i will buy it again
Thanks for your feedback. That really helps. I try to improve my speech cadence. Maybe more skripting in the future.
Thanks for the stuttering. I am still nervous from time to time when in front of the camera. But I hope this will get better in the future. Regarding your point of view with the design language. I just think that Microsoft is really slow when it comes to adapting to market trends and thin bezels and USB-C ports are just two things where it is clearly noticeable. Keeping the Surface port and adding a second type-c port could be a compromise here. Also I would love to use a i5 fan-less version of the Surface Pro 7 and see how this performs. Mine is just to noisy and the battery runs short. But maybe I am just a power user forcing it too much at the end.
Your points are not valid, they don’t make sense
I’m not gonna lie, I still got it after watching this and this thing is amazing
so can you do literally everything you can on a regular laptop on the surface?
Is closer to a laptop than a tablet, it’s a laptop with tablet capabilities
I did the same, I’m a student and this is perfect for study, from my end the stylus works perfectly.
So why are you loving it??
I agree. I bought mine two days ago after watching this and see nothing wrong with it and as it meets my expectations in every way.
Seriously? The number 1 reason not to buy is because it "looks outdated"? I care more about what a device does. Looking stylish is nice, but it's not a deal breaker.
The message was: Do not buy it because it´s at the end of it´s life cycle and it will get a complete hardware refresh pretty soon. And I think Microsoft will crush it with the new Surface Pro lineup.
I personally don't care about esthetics but thunderbolt 3 is almost at end of life and yet it's shines by its absence here. That's probably the worst part of this laptop for me.
The Idea of Technology that’s kinda like breaking someone’s freedoms! Lol
@@TheIdeaofTechnology They did refresh it with Surface Pro X. If you want an Intel tablet though, the Surface Pro 7 might be it.
I hope next year they make a surface x design but with surface 7 hardware
After owning the surface pro 7 for a close to a year, I don't really see the design being an issue. To me, the design is very sleek and I believe that companies often change their designs when they find a flaw. The fact that the design hasn't been changed means that the there are extremely minimal or close to no flaws in the design. However, I agree with you that the battery life and the fan are probably the two biggest issues that microsoft needs to address for the next surface pro model.
Reason No. 1...outdated design!
Honestly, what would you say then for the ipad? Or any other laptop out there? Stopped watching the moment you said that.
How can you bring up iPad when it's the one with futuristic design and slim bezels.
@@xcvxcvcxvxvcq bruh what? Lmao no way you said that
@@xcvxcvcxvxvcq “slim bezels” good one pal
@@xcvxcvcxvxvcq here is the first gen: ruclips.net/video/qxWEpp206lg/видео.html
Yes, massive changes!
@@xcvxcvcxvxvcq you're just trolling us right? Right??!!
The only thing that really needs improvement is the battery and maybe shrink the bezels a little bit.
Whats the battery backup time
7 hours
Watch a few RUclips videos or a graphics program, half that.
No, way more. Better thermals, better IO port organization, better screen ratio as it looks a bit too stretched upwards, driver compatiblity improvement, better speakers. thats all i can think of for the average user.
@@hold1ng276 yeah, and then you have to pay £2000 for the tablet. That's not your average user.
Surface Design language hasn’t changed much because it’s timeless.
Bezels?
Strongly disagree! That's a lot of lost screen real estate when it's possible to have much thinner bezels.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. The design looks amazing.
I agree, I hate when apple does the same thing and people love it
@@kufusoto you're telling me you want to be on RUclips with a 3.5inch screen
@@Niko-op3oz sure why not you're opinion is worthless
@@kufusoto the phone isn't broke
go use it
go back to a 3gs and tell me how it is
@@Niko-op3oz bro stop you're opinion is worthless I use android and I know what's up
I’ve had a Pro 7 for about a year now. Only thing I agree about is the battery life, which has been disappointing. Otherwise, I love the device
Yes! The battery life is "disappointing" but considering the size of the device and all the capability stored inside it, we might of been expecting more than reasonable. We are getting a lot that definitely feels worth the slight sacrifice of battery life which isn't all that bad all things considered :))
This is good to know. Waiting on a pro 7+ that's on back order.
How many hours do u get on average use?
Do you have the i3, i5, or i7
@@Freesoul186 browsing, probably around 4-5 hours. Photoshop or editing, good luck getting 2-3
Translation: "I have needs outside the range of this product, so you shouldn't get one. Plus, it's not as pretty as I'd like."
Using pro 7 with i5 8Gb config for 6 months now.
1) the design is alright, bezels make it easier to hold and write in tablet mode.
2) really?
3) i can't comment as I don't use an i7 version
is the hinge on the pro 7 loose? Pls reply I want to buy it but it need to know about the hinge.
@@Eagle10021 not at all. Been using for almost 7-8 months, still just as stiff as it was when I came, although I must add that I am very careful while using it.
@@AdityaKumar-tj2dj ok
he has a point with the battery. something thats meant to be portable should definetly have a battery life longer than 4 to 5 hours
Why not skip the surface connector?
Because surface pro is a mobile device and while moving it you may not remember that its plugged in and you may damage the cable or drop the surface. So magnetic is always better althought prop connector limits the options that is why they added type c.
I’ve got a Surface Pro 7+ and it has no problems. Even though this video says no, I’d definitely suggest it
@The Idea
of Technology, seems to be quite an honest review based on experience. Not the usual ones full of sugar. I appreciate it. All the best to you and your channel 👍
First problem- old design
Fix is dbrand skin
Second problem- not much battery life and has fan
Fix is plug it in and use i5 chip
Third problem- pen doesn't work and is slow and not useable
Fix is get a good amount of storage.
I agree that there is defiantly a display driver issue that I have seen on my surface laptop 3 and surface pro 4. Its a screen flicker that occurs when the mouse is at the top of the screen and sometimes just randomly the screen goes completely off.
and just after you passed the warranty period the screen start shaking, image ghosting, overheating and phantom touch on your screen. miscrosoft should do unlimited product recall warranty for the dasign flaw.
this is fact. unless the surface pro 8 is a complete redesign and addresses these problems, i'm done with the surface pro line. microsoft does not deserve our money when they design products to fail like this.
I have owned and use the surface Pro 7 i5 256 8Gb ram for about 3 months now.
1) the bezels are not HUGE, I don't mind them when working and I rest my fingers on them when using it as a tablet so they're useful.
2) I use a type C adapter for extra ports when hooking it upto a monitor. Its a thin and light device I don't know what you expected with ports.
3) battery life is decent, its not amazing. I have been able to get 10 hours of content consumption out of this.
It supports type c charging so the surface connect isn't a problem.
I just bought this tablet with my tax money, i5 128GB - reason, it looks beautiful and I kinda need a Microsoft computer (only have apple). The design really drew me in and I like the lightening cable style charger. This guy is a bit nitpicky on certain things. I can understand point three though. I haven’t used Microsoft Teams yet, so only time will tell.
well i think there is nothing wrong with its design
Lightning cable style charger😂😂😂
Have you used it with zoom or any other video conference apps?
@@erikaf374 No, but when I move away I guess I’ll see how it is with video conference calls.
I have the i5 version and was interrested in seeing an different opinion. From WHAT I read and your own review, the i7 seems to be a bad combination for this platform.
I can go through the day without any issue with mine. Drivers are fine. I drive 3 screens including the laptop's one, all from 1 usb-c cable. It gets charged, my USB keyboard/mouse and other periferals are connected through the first screen's integrated USB hub while the other screen is connected to this first screen through displayport out (mst). I use teams everyday, all day long and I've never had an issue.
I've had a Lenovo yoga x1 with an I7 (which retailed at over 3 times what this surface costs) and to be completely honest, I sent it back since this surface does everything it did better, and then some. The pen is so much better, there's no place for debate here.
I sincerely feel like you're either looking for clicks, or maybe you've got something personal against Microsoft? Overall, maybe you've got a lemon, maybe the i7 version is really just terrible.
All I can say is the i5 version is a really good value for the price. The only hiccup I had was a usb-c connection/disconnection loop (windows sound looping). I could see the USB-hub had a problem with a device and honestly didn't know what to do. Looking for answers didn't point me to anything obvious except siaabling the port, which was out of question as you might understand! I ended up rebooting (!) and voilà. It happened once more and that time disconnecting / reconnecting the usb-c cable fixed the issue. I since then updated the drivers from Microsoft website (500mb package) and fingers crossed,it didn't happen again.
all in all, a great device, especially considering the price.
oh, I need to add that I do agree with the amount of ports though. 2 Usb-c is a bare minimum for me. I get by with just one but it's definitely a big downside to this tablet.
Do you get slow loading times with i5 version?
How is the battery life on the i5? I'm on the verge of closing a deal with someone who is selling theirs.
@@mugeninfinite500 Not sure what "slow loading times" is referring to. That being said, the i5 was WELL enough snappy all around in my usage. It was my main machine for 3 months and I would buy/use one again in a heartbeat. If ports aren'T a turn-off, to me, the Surface is an awesome computer and the tactile screen is superior to most if not every other 2 in 1 I tried. I currently have the HP Envy (Ryzen CPU) and although I like it, it's not even close to the surface in terms of ease of use. The envy is a bit more powerful, sure, but the surface's battery lasted longer, and handling the device was a totally different (better) experience.
@@jonathanflores6524 Battery lasted a whole day and then some if used very lightly. If you're drawing non-stop though you'll see that the surface heats-up and the battery will drain quite fast (2 hours, 3 maybe?). But that'S to be expected of ANY device. In my book, the battery life was more than acceptable, especially considering the form factor.
For me the surface proprietary port is still useful for power charging because it is magnetically attached to the device. For such a light device, in a university classroom or with kids playing around, it is a peace of mind.
For the rest, I totally agree with you, even I understand why you think the proprietary port is outdated.
Wouldn't you trade the magnetic port for more usb-c ports? When used as a workstation, usb-c is SO MUCH useful (extra screens, extra drives...)
I liked your video and I agree with your points about the Surface Pro 7. I ordered the 7+ version and I believe that most of the negative points have been eliminated - except for the design that's still the same! I don't like what the Surface Pro 8 has done about the micro sd slot. IMO that is essential.
Why did you compare this device to a macbook pro and dell xps? This is totally BS.
No. 1 - Looks Outdated
RE - It is designed so that you can use the same keyboard for any other generation back to Gen 4.
No. 2 - Not "Pro"
RE - I doubt Microsoft made it to render 4K video on a single charge. As for the temperature, just because it can handle 100C does not mean is should constantly, most CPUs throttle performance at 100C as well. The i3 and i5 dont need active cooling since they can run passively and weren't meant for heavy loads.
I completely agree with those 3 points, and what’s more annoying is that those were the 3 problems my surface pro 4 had in its time. I bought the 7 in the only difference is in speed. The rest is as bad or good as it used to be. Microsoft doesn’t show too much care for their devices, especially on the software side. This thing has been buggy af
I'm fairly set on buying one. My only issue is that I see it more as a tablet than a laptop, so too bad I can't use Google Playstore (except apparently I can with an android emulator). The only android comparison to me would be the Samsung Tab 7, but it lacks good drawing software unlike the IPad Pro with Procreate.
As a surface pro 7 owner (more than a year) i can say that the first reason is the software, full of BUGS.
The worst: Sometimes happens that the device drain 80% of the battery when in standby in the bag.
The lightest: the automatic "Reading mode" doesnt turn off automatically, you have to turn it off manually every single day.
fax. my friends have surfaces and they all hate them.
This review was written 3 years ago when the Microsoft Surface Pro 7 Intel Core i7 16GB was still running on Windows 10. I strongly suspect this device will be working a whole lot better with most of the mentioned kinks and bugs resolved via numerous firmware updates between then and now. Most importantly, these devices will almost certainly be running Windows 11 Pro, which is highly stable and tends to work a lot more flawlessly than Windows 10 ever did.
This device is now "old" by modern standards and can be picked up at a huge discount as a refurbished device.
I'm presently using a Surface Pro 5 Intel Core i5, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD, and apart from an ageing battery, it's been flawless - never had problems with MS Teams - as long as it was plugged in.
The Surface Pro 7 is now being advertised as a refurb in the UK for £499 - that's with an Intel Core i7, 16GB RAM and a 256GB SSD - and of course Windows 11 Pro pre-installed.
It would be safe to assume that by now, this device would have had all the important firmware updates for the last 3 years installed. Yes, of course the battery will not be perfect at this vintage but it will still work.
I'm thinking of upgrading to one of these for the price - I could use the upgraded Intel Core i7 processing capability and the 16GB RAM.
MS Teams works perfectly if you have a 16GB RAM Surface Pro 7. Once in a while you do have to flush cache %appdata%/Microsoft/Teams if > 1 GB data in that folder. Deleting that folders contents fixes up Teams issues.
i dont get why peopledislike this vid. all stuff this guy said is true!
I love your music choice, which has that Stranger Things vibe to it!
It looks all your problems are because you screwed up your drivers..
Yeah, very likely. But I ´ve now tried everything. Fresh windows install, auto driver updates via windows update as well as forced updates via Microsoft Surface Dirver packages as well as intel sideloading. Nothing works and at this point this can´t be right.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology I find that to be very unlikely, as all these solutions and problems are quite easy to fix.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology sounds like you're just incompotent
Why no reason number 4? That is lack of LTE option?
That´s a valid point and often asked feature.
Really hope that it will be an option with the Surface pro 8.
Well, now you can get LTE with the 7+
@@Nacho8oy good move MS
@@Nacho8oy just with the i5 😔 I wish it will have been available with the i7
I have been using a Surface Pro 7 i7 for about a half year and I am happy with it and I do recommend it for many usages. I had a Surface Pro 4 which was stolen so I tried to live with a normal laptop, but missed the Surface Pro and got the 7 i7. I really like the surface adapter, which is much safer than a USB-C charger as it will disconnect if something happens with the cable. It also works very well with my Kensington SD7000 docking station. I haven't had any issues with the pen probably because I haven't played around with beta software. I would like some more control over the fan so I can put it into fanless low performance mode.
That sounds great. I must be honest that the Apple MagSafe adapter was way better compared to the Microsoft implementation. The Surface Pro 7 is still the best detachable on the market and the performance of the i7 model ist just crazy. The size of the heatsink and the fan ist just bottlenecking this awesome CPU.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology The 15W i7 in the Pro 7 does what it is surposed to. Under load it spin to 40W for a few seconds, then drops to 25 - 30W for a minute or two before dropping to 15W forever. That is a very responsive profile for most usages but of cause not for long heavy loads. Yoy can make it run @25W forever with an external fan. I've done that a few times during video rendering to speed up the rendering process though the Pro 7 is not ment for that.
I’m currently looking Into a new laptop to replace my ASUS K53U. I would like a 2 in 1 as I don’t have a tablet. I looking into the surface pro 7 or a surface go 2. #advice
@@redladybug9180 I have both the Surface Pro 7 i7 and the Surface Go 2 M3 and I like them both for different purposes. I got the Go 2 to travel light and for not being as expensive as the Pro 7 when travelling. The Pro 7 feels big and a little heavy compared with the Go 2. I prefer the Pro 7 full size keyboard as I make more typing errors with the Go 2 keyboard. I prefer the more powerful Pro 7 for heavy tasks but the Go 2 M3 is sufficient for most tasks. The Go 2 is completely silent where the Pro 7 i7 has a little fan noise when doing some work with power supply . The Pro 7 i7 is silent most of the time on battery. So it depends on your needs.
Hello, I have purchased a Surface pro 7 like almost 2 month and replaced the product once due to overheating while charging and also working for more than 2 hours, So my advice to you NOT to buy surface pro 7 and after service is worse. I also found that my second replacement is having the same problem(overheating) and I can not connect my any bluetooth device like earphones or speakers. This problem does not exist on my older surface i.e. before replacement. I have purchased it for study and also for office use. Even the battery is not up to the mark it can't last long for half a day.
SO AS MY HONEST AND FAIR REVIEW TO YOU IS NOT TO BUY SURFACE PRO 7.
Just know that I had to sped up to 1.5x to be able to stay focus. One other thing is that I put you on background because you were all talk and no present. Video format is not for someone who talks all the time. Finally, for this title "not buy at this time" to have any merit, please update your experience after a few weeks/months, if anything changes.
Thanks for your honest feedback.
Do you recommend it as a device for a programmer? I was originally going for a convertible laptop, but then the surface line of products intrigued me.
I would go for it. Depending what you doing it gets the job done. But using VMs or other resource intense workloads could be a bit too much and you should go for the upcoming Surface laptop 4 with more cores and horsepower.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology thanks for the advice!! :)
ich finde es gut das dass Design sich nicht geändert hat. so funktionieren auch alte Tastaturen und hüllen etc. dein Punkt mit dem Lüfter habe ich überhaupt nicht verstanden, auf der einen Seite sagst du es soll mehr Kapazität für "Kühlung" also gehe ich von Lüfter aus im neuen surfce verwendet werden aber dann sagst du selbst dass der Lüfter nervt und man auch auf passiv gekühlte Geräte ausweichen kann. Vielleicht habe ich das auch nicht verstanden aber man bekommt das Gefühl, du weißt nicht was du willst. soll das gerät besser gekühlt werden oder lieber leise sein?
um auch was Positives zu sagen den MS Charger mit einem USB C auszutauschen klingt überzeugend und sinnvoll. Auch ist dein Video Professionell und gut gemacht nur deine Argumente sind mangelhaft. so sehe ich das zumindest, vielleicht liest du ja mein Feedback ^^
Thank you for your honest review.
I won't bash the man for his opinions but I have to say that as far as design it seems like more of an "if it ain't broke don't fix it" situation with the tablet. The I/O is definitely surprisingly behind where I would expect it to be in 2020 but realistically I can't see it as a huge deal since the only improvement I would have personally been satisfied with is Thunderbolt. It packs the essentials and I can't imagine a true power user is going after this device with the intention of carrying out power user tasks on it. It's target demographic is going to care more about the convenience, mobility, and productivity potential more so than anything else. And in terms of its physical form and aesthetic I still say it is a very sleek device that just happened to be ahead of its time when it was first launched and is just now blending in with the rest of what the market has to offer.
There are plenty of alternatives out there, Windows or Android, that are without a doubt a better value but overall I see nothing terribly wrong with the Surface Pro on paper. Especially so for users who travel for work but still need a powerful and productive work station on the go.
Extra note: The power connection format isn't so much outdated as it is proprietary for the purposes of selling less knowledgeable users replacement power cables. If this wasn't the case then they likely wouldn't currently be charging a whopping $90 for a power supply on their own storefront. I do feel that a dedicated USB-C for charging would have been nice but they also likely knew that by having a proprietary connection the user would be forced to choose between using up the only USB-C port available (also prompting the user to consider purchasing the surface dock) or replace a damaged Surface Connect charger. From a business perspective this design is actually pretty smart.
Last note, the Surface Pro isn't what I would consider a work from home device. It is just forced to be one right now if it wants to be sold.
What's your point, this is your opinion, which is also not based on anything and maybe not your taste, and that involves your Mac, I suspect that you are a Microsoft hater and are promoting Apple here. I have a Surface Pro 7 i7/16GB and it works perfectly. It does what it's supposed to do and I'm very happy with it. And what do you mean, old design, it's beautiful and I think you know very little about technology. The CPU is not a desktop CPU but a mobile CPU. How can you put a CPU in the Surface that gets 100 degrees Surface does not have active cooling.
I think this is typical of a talk from an ex-employee of Microsoft who lashes out.
We don't know why you're out of there, that you have an opinion about something okay, but calling on people not to buy the Surface is going a long way. Should we all go over to the MAC with its dictatorial OS, didn't think so my friend. I think most of the responses are clear. You can count yourself lucky that Microsoft doesn't sue you, again opinion is allowed, but calling people out not a product because of a personal opinion is even punishable in my opinion.
I got one to use more as a tablet that I can connect to my music hardware and run music plugins, and as a replacement to my budget 2-in-1 laptop. Sure, I wouldn't lean on this to do actual work, and I don't really care about having the latest and greatest, but just an actual tablet that runs actual desktop apps, even if those apps aren't optimized for it.
Excellent advice especially with regard to Teams problems. I'm using the Surface Pro 3 and if the 7 behaves like the 3 then wow that's not good!
Do you have issues with Microsoft teams also?
Which version of the pro 3 are you using
Its a tablet/ laptop it has pretty good drivers and processor for it being as small as it is. Also battery life also depends on the load and programs you are using on the tablet/laptop.
Small? Compare the surface pro7 to the ipad lineup or in windows the HP Elite Dragonfly and repeat your sentence. i3 in 2021 is completely ridiculous, and so is 4gb of ram. the thermals are horrible. With a fan, the i7 overheats with around 10 tabs on chrome with discord in the background. i5 thermal throttles due to lack of thermal paste after maybe a year of constant school use and light gaming (aimlabs, aiming.pro, idk minecraft?) and requires an external fan to keep it from being too hot. I run out of battery after a day of school, taking notes with a stylus with only onenote and a few pages open.
Turn off hardware gpu acceleration in teams... Thats the problem. I have no issue using teams with that off.
I still have the same problems in Teams. The GPU acceleration ist not the problem in my case. And this weird throttling occurs even faster with higher outdoor temperatures.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology if you have adaptive brightness on then it may turn up the brightness outdoor that heats up the screen, may cause throttling. Another thing i found out on my sp3 previously is that the printer spooling sometimes just keeps running by itself taking up cpu resources. Not sure if this is still the case with sp7 or a window problem. I just turned this to manual instead of auto start on on sp7. Doing this might help to keep things cool for the cpu.
As far as I understood from the explanations given in this video it will be painful to use MS Teams on Surface Pro7. Actually that is the most important for me since I am planning to give lectures over MS Teams. Can anyone provide further info about this issue? It is a big problem if it hasn't been solved yet.
To be fair Microsoft worked a lot on making the experience with MSFT Teams on the Surface Pro 7 better. Still, there are sometimes problems when using fancy backgrounds with your cam and having calls with a lot of people in it. But basically, it is usable with the most features and is reasonably fast. But it is not the best experience. As someone here in the comments mentioned, Microsoft usually needs a year to fix most problems in software. Please do not use the Intel drivers.
Thanks. Have a great day and stay safe.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology Thanks for your fast and satisfactory reply. Your efforts are very much appreciated indeed. Keep up the good work.
Instead of focusing on design and software bugs which I think design is fine and bugs need to iron out, perhaps you can do a video on what you should not use it for, like video renderings etc. Can see that you are nervous, practise first a few times and choose the best clips to use.
Thanks for the feedback.
Ridiculous how the like to dislike ratio is like that. Completely unfair, your points are valid
I used a surface pro 7 for a year fopr school, attempting to find a replacement for my ipad for i hated switching between ios for campus and my pc at my dorm. Surface pros are far from replacing any product in the market. The thermals are garbage, it overheats when I try to jot notes during class on onenote or draw on my bed when im bored, not to mention it hits 60 degrees when charging and 80 degrees during light gaming such as aimlabs. the drivers is full of bugs, half the time my camera wouldnt work due to services being disabled and the bezels make it look so old. The silver backplate is a fingerprint magnet and is extremely prone to scratches, the type cover is constantly disconnecting when flipping it up and requires 5 seconds or so for it to reconnect
If it's still a cash cow, it's economically not at the end of the life cycle :)
You are right.
I completely disagree with a few points. For one, the Microsoft power connection is a must for me. I have multiple workstations with the surface dock. We have multiple users in my household with Surface products. If Msoft goes away from this, it would be terrible. It would be nice for a smaller bezel, but I hope they keep the shape and accessory compatibility the same. Hoping the 8 pretty much uses the same chassis.
I can absolutely understand that.
Thank you for your insightful video
Thanks for this info. The 2nd and 3rd is a major problem. I hope they fixed it now?
Thank you! I am about to buy myself new tool for everyday work, and that bs with mobile processor (not enough power, not enough cooling, temp cap, etc.) is keeping me still in search after good one month of research. Sometimes I find my old M520 processor performing faster than modern devices hands down. It's crazy what happened in this industry in last 5 years...
Thanks for your comment.
honestly the i5 version is more than enough for my work needs. I'm a solution architect and most of my work consists of meetings and documentation editing which includes some image editing (the pen is great for sketching!)
it's a 9/10 for me. The only thing I miss would be a second usb-c port. Seriously Microsoft, screw the weird proprietary port and put some more usb-c there.
@@Fostravel Honestly I hope they don't remove the Microsoft Port, i have the docking station and i don't want re-buy one different when I'll buy my next Surface.
Second usb-c is not the answer because it's not magnetic.
@@mntmichele I can understand your concern regarding your particular setup but if you think about it objectively, it's been caused by the proprietary port to begin with. As for magnetic USB-c port, here is what I use: www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B082F63XZW/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
If for any reason the link doesn't work, search for this in Amazon: Magnetic USB C Adapter, pogomag PD 100W Fast Charge 20Pin Type C Adapter 10 Gbps Data Transfer 4K Video Output Compatible with MacBook Pro and Before, MacBook Air 2019/2018 and More Usb C Devices Grey
Thanks for your review, is was going for the SP7 i7 seen all the issues I’ll go with the iPad Pro 12.9 a real bulletproof
I prefer a dated design....................... then the wife won't know I've bought yet another laptop !!
So these reasons are you opinion... in reality I use my windows edge to edge usually... to place windows or just gadgets. If the bezels were thinner i think i would press some icons by mistake. Mine worked a little odd untill january 2021 when the updates made it flawless. One of the most stable devices i've owned. Love it for drawing apps and i can play red dead redemption 2 in my garden (because inside it thermo throttles-outside is colder). sp7 i5 8gb ram.
Then which do you recommend
There are two opportunities. 1. Wait for the Surface Pro 8 because this will get a lot of fixes and should be way better. 2. At the moment I would recommend going for a convertible instead of a detachable like the Surface Pro. This serves basically the same approach an features. The HP Spectre x360 looks like the best solution at the moment and you can choose Intel or AMD.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology k thank you
XPS is a laptop not a 2 in 1 and the bezels are actually useful when using it as a tablet. Without them, it would just be a pain...I still like the surface pro design very much, more than the X. As for the battery, I mean I get almost 4 hours in a 6-year-old Surface Pro 3 using even Photoshop and Illustrator! How do you get 1 to 4 on the 7? That's quite weird...
so about 1,5 years ago i got a surface pro 2017 with the m3 processer (got baited by the low price) for university. Now i swapped to another subject, where my m3 surface doesnt hold up at all anymore cuz i need more computing power. Was looking to buy the pro 7 because i saw a deal for about 700€ for the i5 version and because i can reuse my keyboard and pen. Now i'm tempted to wait for the pro 8,though i need a solution fast . Also the pro 8 is probably gonna be a lot pricier at launch (which is a major factor for me as i'm a student and can hence only work a few hours each week) and chances are im gonna need a new type cover and pen which will add up the price even more. i want to stay with a surface as i need windows 10 as the operating system and have been really happy with my current one except the performance of the m3 cpu. Which one do you / you guys from the comments think i should go for ?
If I were you I would go for the Surface Pro 7 with the i5. Enough performance for the next years, good deals at the moment and the Pro 8 is probably not worth the wait. The m3 models are pretty slow and you will love how snappy the new model feels.
I ordered a Surface pro 7 certified refurbished just recently, got a good deal, the Microsoft tech assured me it will have a new battery.
I agree. I am disappointed microsoft brought out the 7 with such minimal enhancements over the 6. Those bezels need to go fo sho. With today's tech there is no reason why it can't be 98% screen with option for users to add bezels or non-touch reactive areas for those who need to use it in hand and back to 98% when using it out of hand. I'm hoping the 8 will fix all the issues or else I'm buying something else again.
Thanks for your comment. I am also extremely curious about what the new Surface Pro 8 will look like.
The bezels need to stay. They are the perfect size to hold the Surface without blocking the screen
@@looneyburgmusic they could simply give us the option to have more or less bezels and to make that area touch sensitive or not, the same way phones create a bezel/border when watching videos.
@@seapanther53 wasted effort. The bezels are perfect the way they are
@@looneyburgmusic perfect for you but clearly not for everyone else, their sales show that.
I'm switching from desktop to something more mobile. So I want a laptop I can carry around easier. I wanna use it for drawing/painting/illustration, graphic design, photo editing, animating, some video editing and maybe learn how use those 3D programs. I'll probably use it like how I used my desktop so some light video gaming as well. Anyone here know if Surface Pro 7 i7 is good enough for that? Or is the Asus ZenBook Duo UX481 14” better for it?
The design isn't even bad at all come on !
They did this so we don't have to buy another keyboard again for every new Surface Pro.
And so all accessories from SP4 can be used to 5,6, 7, and even probably 8.
I still bought my MS Surface Pro 7. It does what I need it to do. This guy picked poor choices and stumbles throughout the video.
the battery is glued in, designed to fail, will eventually expand and take the screen with it, will become a potential fire hazard, and is impossible to repair. thanks to the deliberately shitty design of the internals, the entire device will have to be trashed in 3 to 4 years. if you want a good reason not to buy it, that's it.
pains me to say this. i love the idea of the surface pro series, but this is planned obsolescence at its worst. i have a surface pro 4 and speak from experience.
I have owned a Surface Pro 7 for about 1.5 years now, I have no issue with the design. I rather like that it is similar to my older Surface Pro 3. The battery life is not great. A second USB C port would be good and replace that old power cable. I have had issues with the usbc c port and external monitors, it only works with high speed HDMI cables and very specific adapters. None of the other 5 computers here have that issue.
As a designer, the surface pro 7 is THE worst!! If you use Adobe CC....dont get to excited. If you need Photoshop, Illustratior....its gonna freeze up and can barely keep. if you plan to use After effects you can only do one project with so any changes before it freezes up. Ive never been able to use Premiere Pro. Unity eats up the whole thing. especially if you are like me and like to recreate scenes from Zelda, Minecraft, etc.
Avoid, just get a PC (or gaming laptop)
I’m currently looking Into a new laptop to replace my ASUS K53U. I would like a 2 in 1 as I don’t have a tablet. I’m currently choosing between surface pro 7 or surface go 2.
Wait until the surface pro 8 comes out and get that
Dont buy surface go u gonna regret ur whole life
As a desktop user who also has a Surface the biggest downside to the Surface and the reason I still have to keep my desktop is that the Surface can only add 2 external monitors. My 7 yr old Dell PC can run 3 very big ones. With the Surface I'd have to use the small Surface monitor as my 3rd monitor which is a significant downgrade to what I've been using for over 10 years.
Question... as a main device/ laptop ... This or the Surface Book 3?
As a main device I would go for the Surface Book. The only valid reason for the Surface Pro 7 would be that you are a creator who needs also a tablet with a good stylus. Despite this grab a Surface Boor. It´s an everyday workhorse.
The Idea of Technology I’d be using a stylus and perhaps utilise the tablet mode..
@@ntnlaaron770 Then go for the Surface Pro 7 or if you can wait see what the Surface Pro 8 will bring or maybe even the Surface X could be suitable for you with it´s ARM-based processors. When you want stylus and tablet mode the HP order Lenovo Convertibles are also pretty nice.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology What do you think is the single deal breaker about the SB3
It's an amazing device. The downsides are the screen reflection and the non-changeable SSD. Pro+ has changed that already. It's the best thing Microsoft has created ever.
The screen reflection is awful
But you can add and extra SD card, right?
Is there an obviously better product out there? I've been looking for a small-ish laptop/tablet that I could maybe do some light 3d sculpting/modeling with. What I'm seeing now are the new ryzen mobile chips(unfortunately usually paired with crappy screens!).
I can personally recommend the Lenovo Yoga line-up or the HP Spectre x360. Both are offering various approaches to the 2 in 1 form factor.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology I've been looking strongly at the x360(specs look great) but I've heard bad things about the screen. Maybe it doesn't matter if the screen is a little lower performance.
The link you provide for the power supply is broken. Can you give details on what power supply you show in video ( to deliver power via USB-C)? Thanks
How about surface pro 7+
My man has a point but if you’re not picky get it 💯
The fan information was useful thinking of getting the i5 version.
Yeah. Fan or no fan is the real question here.
I have the i5. It’s pretty good. You do see the speed difference on an i5 and a i7.
I'm glad this guy doesn't work for Microsoft design. He would make a bigger loss for them than Surface RT. Apple didn't change their laptop design for over 10 years... still selling like hot cakes. They changed for change sake... and failed miserably - worse keyboard. Useless touchbar... loss of Magnetic power connector.
I absolutely agree with the three mentioned features from the MacBooks and how useless they are. But the MacBooks definitely changed over the last 10 years with higher resolution screens and less bezel size, more modern ports (still missing HDMI and SD card reader) and even changing the CPU architecture lately. Microsoft proves to have the more modern design with the Surface Pro X and even trying new stuff with the duo.
Battery, not a problem if you work in an office, the flickering is fixed after paring it and changing settings. The design is outdated.
I have the version with i5 and the problem with the battery was the first thing that bothered me. The duration is lousy, sometimes only up to 2 hours with simple tasks like Microsoft Office.
The Surface despite being a Microsoft product, more than half the time Windows Hello does not work and I have to enter with the pin.
It's a shame that after so long they haven't improved it.
In the end I stopped using it as a tablet because it is very heavy and the battery life is bad. Now I have an iPad Pro and the tablet function is excellent, I can use the programs I need and also get distracted with YT and it can hold me for 7-8 hours of continuous use.
In just a few months l started having problem with my laptop, it would sometimes switch on and sometimes now, very random. Then I haven't used it for sometime ,now the laptop doesn't switch on at all. I just used it for few months. Its over one year can't even use the warranty. I've tried all my ways to restart the laptop, but it doesn't seem to..
Bula bro, I was looking to buy one and came across yo video. Now im not gonna buy it coz of tgis problem. Any suggestions of other brands tgat i can use with better battery and etc.. ??
Can any one help me my bae is in collage and needs a new computer should I get the pro 7 or the Inspiron 15 7000 2 in 1 any help be greatly appreciated, thank you 🙏
It heavily depends on the need for portability and creativity. The new Inspiron 700 2 in 1 with the latest Intel 11th gen CPU is more versatile and the better all-rounder. The Surface Pro 7 is better for work with the pen in pure tablet mode. It is smaller and pretty great for students. But if you have no problem with a bit more weight and size and do not want to carry a dongle the Inspiron gives you more performance and flexibility for a great price. But that is just my humble opinion.
@@TheIdeaofTechnology thank you going with the deal 2 in 1.
My Microsoft surface overheats alot
Yah the lead sounded odd . Don't get because of the looks? True the new 8 will most likely look better, but not a good enough reason to lead with. Has anyone else had trouble connecting monitors. I have the Surface Dock 2 and can not seem to connect 2 HP 24f monitors. Now I was able to with the Plagables triple monitor dock, but the Surface Pro 7 got really hot. Not sure if that is a big deal.
I don't care about desighn, bezels, baterry, but I would really love to have back wacom EMR pen technology, if they want to call this product pro
I actually don't mind the ntrig tech i just don't like the design of the surface pen its not as ergonomic as Wacoms design
I would never buy another Surface Pro laptop again. My barely 3+-year-old Surface Pro 4 has a bulging battery that is pushing out the front screen. Microsoft will not repair/replace the
problem battery which clearly is defective and the only option they offer is for me to pay $450.00 to get it swapped with a refurbished one. Due to the design of the device, I can't even take out the battery and run it on the power cord as this unit can not be powered on with a power cord only. So, if you are ok with only using a Surface Pro laptop until its battery deteriorates, go ahead. Microsoft customer service sucks!!
Pop it and sue
1. design is very good. don't fix if is not broken,
2. total BS..... you are complaining because is to cold....
3.. softer is amazing ( pen works perfect)
The computer is amazing I have the i5 and it runs better than the i7, perfect computer
1 - Outdated look
2 - Its not a Pro (Should have just said "battery life" get a Surface 8),
3 - poor compatibility
Been using Surface Pro 7 a little over a year. Battery barely lasts a bit over 2 hours. It lags more than I can bear. I like the form factor. Surface + M1 based MA performance = Ultimate laptop
What cpu and ram does it have, and what software causes it to slow down?
@@olesammygrant i7 2.11ghz 16gb ram. Basic things really..opening up pdf docs in email attachment. Scrolling up/down on firefox..want to buy mine?
@@pnwlifevlog thanks for the info! But I definitely pass on used electronics that don't work well.
@@olesammygrant I was just kidding. :) I switched from MBA to this. Not sure if it is Windows, Intel chip or MS surface to blame.
I normally hate proprietary charging connectors, but the magnetic connector, for me, is a huge benefit. My surface pro 3 and 4 get knocked around a lot, and the micro usb charger on the 3 didn't take long to have serious charging connectivity issues. The breakaway magnetic charger on the 4 has been put to the test over and over and over again, and never, ever fails me. I also like the indicator light on it and how it sits flush with the tablet instead of sticking straight out like it does on the 3.
I'd prefer a smaller bezel, yes, but I also don't really care. And apart from the rather thick bezel, the general design language of the pro is absolutely, positively, flawlessly perfect for that I need in a laptop. I have no problems with the battery life I get out of the 4, it feels pretty stable and reliable for the size of the machine. I even kind of like the thick bezel because it give me a place to put my damn hands to adjust or hold the tablet without impeding the screen or forcing my hands into sharp edge. It's why I hate edgeless phones.
The only major gripe I have is the price. I honestly hate that there are no good windows OS alternatives. I don't like the hard dock keyboards or flip over modes, I like the weight, dimensions, and utility I get from it. But Microsoft is absolutely charging a full 25% or more too much for what you get, and gouging us absolutely inexcusably on the keyboard. For fuck's sakes, I went to price a 7 today and after my 20% student discount, it still cost $50 MORE from microsoft than amazon wants for it.
And they shouldn't fucking sell it with a 4gb RAM option. It was the option I went with for my pro 4 and it has been agony.
Honestly, I'll probably get a 7 once the 8 comes out. I hope the 8 does make a fancier, smaller bezel design that makes people think the 7/6/5 are now worthless garbage so I can snap one up, because it doesn't bug me at all.
Ever thought your battery issues are because you don't charge it correctly? I'm not sure it was actually supposed to be permanently charged via USB c?? Like why would they provide the surface charger if that was not supposed to be used to charge it
Yeah, you are right. This could be a valid point. But I think when it´s fully charged and I unplug it from the wall it shouldn't be important how I charged it in the first place. A full battery still is a full battery and the wear level is at 98% so this should be fine. USB-C charging is an alternative and I don't know a reason why you should not use it permanently. Yes, the Surface charger is faster because it´s proprietary and made for the Surface. In my opinion, the surface connector has no real purpose anymore since USB-C is the industry standard. And yes the MagSafe magnetic stuff is pretty cool and unique.
What is the battery wear like on a surface?
many of my cowrkers have issue with MS Teams. it looks Surface Pro with core i7 is bad combination probably becaus i7 needs more cold air but too narrow to perform with its max spec. very good reveiw with real/honest impression made by actual user. I watched 10 or bit less reviews with promoters without actual experence. however 1 min opening movie is too long it needless 4.5 out of 5.0 comments are new, convincing since it's same as most of my coworkers annoyded by MS teams. very good review
Thanks for your feedback.
Screen burning due to lack of internal cooling unresponsive and frustrating “tablet mode” that does not respond to touch at all. Perfectly working model. Will never get another of these.
"outdated design"?
Like the design of car tires is "outdated"?
This idea that devices should have no bezels is idiotic. With no bezel where do you HOLD the damn thing without blocking part of the screen?!
i5 is fanless, solves the "Fans ramping up" issue
You are absolutely right. I would recommend getting the i5 model. The performance of the i7 is crazy for this thin and light device but I would go for less performance and less noice with more batterylife.
this vid is stupid , i love surface pro 7 and im going to buy it with 16 gb ram and i7 processors , at least thats the one i have my eye on ,.. i also like the design it's much much better than other laptops i couldn't even find a detachable laptop with the same light waight and slim design while having i7 16GB ram !! .... so im going to buy it and since you have 813 dislikes on ur video im going to be number 814 ...
I got one and I like it
why is such a big problem if it is old, it is , but is reliable, opinions are just that, microsoft is not trying to sell that model as new, it is still very modern , theres a pro 7 + consumer edition even after the pro 8 got anounced
it usually takes microsoft 2 years to iron out all the bugs in the firmware. when did pro 7 come out? Oct 2019. so it won't get good until Oct. 2021.
Sadly good to know.
I'm looking at buying surface Pro 7+ was trying to listen to this video, your voice the sound) is booming a bit? so hard to follow will re -listen again. Sounds like you are familiar with the previous Surface pro's cant see a date for pro 8 , so its the 7 + I'm considering still.