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Surface Pro 8 Full Review: The Most Outstanding Update in Years
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- Опубликовано: 1 авг 2024
- In this review, we're taking an extensive look at the Surface Pro 8, Surface Slim Pen 2, and the refreshed Surface Pro Signature Keyboards.
This is the longest review that I've ever made to date-even surpassing the length and quality of my now second longest review, which was on the Microsoft Surface Pro X. I'm super late to the party with this review, but I hope someone out there will find it useful regardless.
I'll see you guys soon-in my review of the Surface Pro 9. Stay tuned. 💖
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Chapters
• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:59 CPU
• 9:22 Port Placements
• 14:07 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 1)
• 16:13 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 2)
• 20:40 Surface Slim Pen 2
• 25:39 Taking Notes
• 30:42 Drawing
• 34:19 Display
• 36:21 Cameras
• 38:00 Speakers
• 38:56 Gaming
• 45:26 Thermals
• 48:09 Fans
• 48:46 Storage
• 50:05 Battery Life
• 52:38 Charging Information
• 54:07 Final Assessment
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Highlights
• 3:08, 7:24 - 9:21 CPU Information
• 9:34 Port Selection
• 14:07 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 1)
• 16:13 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 2)
• 27:28 Palm Rejection
• 34:09 Surface Dial Support
• 36:53 Sample Photos from the Rear Camera
• 43:39 Gaming: Frame Rates w/ iGPU
• 44:11 Gaming: Frame Rates w/ eGPU
• 48:46 Drive Speeds
• 45:26 GeekBench 5 Benchmark (i7 / 16 GB RAM / 1 TB SSD)
• 50:30 Graph from the Battery Life Section
• 53:14 My thoughts on the Surface Connect interface
These timestamps are for jumping to specific moments in the video. For timestamps to the start of each major section of this review, please use the timestamps provided under the "Chapters" section.
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So, this review was intended to come out much earlier this year. Like, around February or March. But due to some complications, I had a lot of trouble making that happen. 😅
I've been working on this review since October of 2021-back when the Surface Pro 8 came out, believe it or not-so I didn't want to scrap all the hard work I had put into this video just because I was taking a very long time to finish it. But as a result, there are some parts of the video that are now slightly out of date. It doesn't affect the review in any way-as I still agree with all of the assessments that I've made throughout the video-but I do still think that it's important for you guys to be informed about what's changed between now and then. Here are some quick updates to my review that you should definitely be aware of:
1:22 - [Minor Update] As of November 2022, we're now on the 13th generation of Intel Core CPUs. These 13th-gen Intel CPUs were announced last month, October 2022, so please keep this in mind as the 12th-gen Intel CPUs are no longer current-gen. (Mobile 12th-gen Intel CPUs are still significantly better than the mobile 11th-gen Intel CPUs and the mobile AMD Ryzen 5000 / 6000 Series CPUs in terms of performance though.)
1:54 - [Minor Update] As of November 2022, we're now on the "7000 Series" of AMD Ryzen CPUs. AMD Ryzen 7000 Series CPUs were announced three months ago, August 2022.
1:54 - [Correction / Reminder] Please keep in mind that, around the time the Surface Pro 8 came out, the AMD Ryzen 5000 Series CPUs were AMD's equivocal generation to the 11th-gen Intel CPUs aforementioned, not the AMD Ryzen 6000 Series CPUs. The AMD Ryzen 6000 Series CPUs came out ~5 months after the Surface Pro 8 released.
13:39 - [Major Update] The Surface Pro 9 has been released.
31:42 - [Major Update] The latest version of Windows 11 is now Windows 11 Version 22H2, not OS build 22000. Version 22H2 heavily improves the usability of ARM-based Windows PCs, which means the general consensus about ARM on Windows will now be changing heavily these next few months (and surely even more in the foreseeable future).
36:44 - [Minor Update] macOS Ventura has been released as of November 2022. It was publicly released for all Mac users last month, late-October 2022. As a result, Continuity Camera is now available.
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My apologies for my occasional blurry shots and also for some bad audio during certain parts of the video. I've been gone for a while, so I'm still trying to get back into the swing of things. 😅
As always, if you have any constructive feedback for me, please don't hesitate to let me know in the comments! Your feedback is important to me!
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Special thanks to Kevin Thai and Joe Hoang for letting me film them playing Valorant for certain parts of this review!
Special thanks to Koe Bennett for creating original music for this review! ♪
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Hey everyone! It's been a while! And yes, that title *does* say Surface Pro 8, not Surface Pro 9. It's a long story-and feel free to ask me about it in the comments if you're genuinely curious about what's going on with that-but, for now, this new video is all I've got for you guys. As always, you can expand this pinned comment to find some timestamps that I've typed up for your convenience. Timestamps will be provided in the video description as well.
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Chapters
• 0:00 Introduction
• 0:59 CPU
• 9:22 Port Placements
• 14:07 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 1)
• 16:13 Keyboard and Trackpad (Part 2)
• 20:40 Surface Slim Pen 2
• 25:39 Taking Notes
• 30:42 Drawing
• 34:19 Display
• 36:21 Cameras
• 38:00 Speakers
• 38:56 Gaming
• 45:26 Thermals
• 48:09 Fans
• 48:46 Storage
• 50:05 Battery Life
• 52:38 Charging Information
• 54:07 Final Assessment
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I'm always looking for feedback, so please don't hesitate to let me know what you like or dislike about my review down here in the comments section. Thank you so much in advance! I really appreciate it!
I'm 100% aware that I'm super late to the party with this review, but I hope someone out there will still enjoy it or find it useful regardless. I've been working on this review since October of 2021-back when the Surface Pro 8 came out, believe it or not-so I didn't want to scrap all the hard work I had put into this video just because I was taking a very long time to finish it. But with that said, I do want to mention that there _are_ some things that were stated in this video that are now slightly out of date. Fortunately, it doesn't affect the review in any way, but I do think that it's still important for you guys to be informed about what's changed between now and then. I'll put all this information in the description, so please take a moment to read through that, as this information is pretty important.
We'll talk about the Surface Pro 9 very soon. Hang tight!
Also, sorry for my occasional blurry shots and for some bad audio during certain parts of the video. I've been gone for a while, so I'm still trying to get back into the swing of things. 😅
Bro, you are AMAZING!!!!! This depth is wonderful man. And with the SP9 being lack luster in terms of updates, and the SP8 going to be discounted, your video is legit right on time. Thanks bro 🙏🏾
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support! ✨
And oh, that’s right! The Surface Pro 8 *is* starting to receive some pretty nice price drops now! I guess posting this video super late isn’t such a bad thing after all. 😂
Honestly...
Surface Pro 8 > Surfac Pro 9
Please does the battery actually last that long - 7.5hrs using office, edge and RUclips in edge? I've seen reviews saying 5hours
Best SP8 review of dozens I've watched on youtube, especially for those who will use it for office tasks
Hey man! You're back!! Been binge watching your previous videos. Keep it up!
Hey! Yeah, I’m back! And aw, that’s really sweet of you, thanks for sticking around! Really hoping I won’t disappear like that again. 🫠
Thank you for this comprehensive review. I really appreciate your excellent work. ♥️ I ordered my Surface 8 Pro last week and I'm looking forward to receiving the device very soon.
I've been watching a couple of reviews, yours was the most helpful covering so many aspects. Thanks a lot. ♥️
Really nice review from an actual user, thanks! About to upgrade from a SP4 and it's bit confusing selecting between SP8 and SP9, maybe your future review will clear things out. SP8 got a nice discount but SP9 might run cooler, superior button placement and raised connect port.
Kind of a late comment but this is one of the best reviews on any product I've seen! Keep up the good work! 💪
Thank you for this review! I’ve been agonizing about which surface I should get (or honestly if I should just get a laptop. The jury is still out on that one) and I appreciate how thorough you are, especially since I can tell you spent a good deal of time with it. Also, love to see the correct “pique” in the captions! 😂
Awesome review for the Surface Pro 8!!👍Although wished you had demonstrated Video editing as much you did for gaming.
Probably best review of SP8 I've seen. Thanks 🙏 Is there a chance you would test DaVinci Resolve on it? How smooth is it? You said you can edit moderately large raw video project on it. Does it mean it's also capable of eding dime effect in Fusion and playing back in full 4k without stuttering and drop frames?Did you use DaVinci or different video editor?
Thank you very much indeed!
great review sir. thank you ❤❤
I know that purchasing a device like a computer can be overwhelming and one of the most essential factors to consider is the specs. Your review has provided an in-depth analysis of the technical features of SP8, which will undoubtedly help us to make an informed decision. This made me hit liked and subscribed button. Hope you can make reviews of galaxy phones as well. Thank you.
awesome, good job, a preeeetty great review, it was what I was looking for
Great review 👍😊
Wow your editing has gotten to next level!
Thank you so much! ✨
I’m not _entirely_ happy with my editing for this video, but hopefully the next one will turn out a lot better. We’ll take a look at the Surface Pro 9 really soon! Hang tight!
You're finally back, immediately click on your video right before I sleep!
Thanks for video, can we buy pen tip after it wears off? If you use daily for writing around 6-7 hrs then how long will surface pen tip last? Thank you.
Great review on an excellent device.
Actually this is useful to me. I'm weighing out the purchase of a surface and it's worth seeing if the 8 is suitable over the newer and not on sale 9
If i only need it for youtube watching would this be equally as good as the ipad pro?
Great job! Looking forward to the Surface Pro 9.
Thanks! Almost done with my Surface Pro 9 video. Hang tight! :)
@@EJYu Hi. Are se going to nave a surface pro 9 review? I am looking forward!
Great review, new subscriber here! I just bought a Surface Pro 8.. almost went with the 9 but I really don't do anything heavy and I found the Pro 8 i5/256/8gb on Amazon renewed for $645.. that with a $150 Keyboard/pen2 also renewed I'm under $800 for the package.. vs about $1200 at least for the 9. The only thing I do that could be considered heavy would be some light gaming when I'm away from my desktop but from the other reviews I watched the Graphics performance was similar.
you have been using pro 8 and pro x with slim pen2 and slim pen 1 respectively for a long time , so if you are considering onenote desktop note taking app would you still choose surface pro 8 ? does it mean slim pen 2 is really better than slim pen 1 for note taking considering 120 hz screen versus 60 Hz?
When do you use the pen?
Liked Subscribed. Didn’t knew 12 gen is such a big deal to Amd chips. I thought amd won all the way. Many many tips and details in this review which for surface users are very helpful and realistic. My surface pro 2017 has started to show age. But what a marvelous long lasting product. I am surface customer for life for what they did to make it future proof. Kudos to Panos and his team. And I have iPad too. But surface is full on computer for anything plus it plays classic XP games. Surfs and does everything which PC does. Win win.
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THIS VIDEO IS SO COOL EJ WHAT
Is this tablet suitable for developing and programming ?
Really hoping you review SP9 please
An amazing and in-depth video. I was introduced to the Surface Pro this last week during Thanks Giving week, and I have to say I'm happy with what I'm spending my money on.
As someone who has been wanting to get more into their drawing/3D modeling, this is the device I feel I've been waiting for; something to take on-the-go as well.
Thank you for the great review, and it makes me feel better about the amount of money I have spent on it, but needless to say, I think it's worth it. 😄
I know the surface pro 9 is out and I am considering getting one. However, I see that the price on Amazon is around $970 for the Pro 9 for the 256GB/8GB RAM Core i5 Option. On Amazon Renewed I also saw that I can get the previous generation for around $90 less, with the same amount of storage but 16GB of RAM and the Core i7. Even though it's a generation older, I am thinking this would be a better deal.
Such a great video. I already ordererd one for my workspace
YOU FINALLY UPLOADED!!!! I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS!
you got me at maplestory. XD
Well done.
I'm glad you're back, I thought you were dead. Anyway, great video with alot, ALOT of detail 🗿
Hangi versiyonudur incelediğiniz tablet
I just purchased the Pro 8 because of the huge drop in price and based on your review ... thank you and please keep your quality videos coming!
How much did you pay?
@@travelhustle747 open box at Best Buy was $799 for an Pro 8 16gb, I7
@@lour9348 you got a good deal man. When was it? During black Friday? I want same config. Should I wait for deals?
@@travelhustle747 yes I did get an excellent deal! Yes around black friday ... i'd pick one up on eBay for no more than 850 if you can fine one with these specs. Good luck!
I got my surface pro 8,i5, 8gb ram and 512gb SSD it's so good buy just a bit disappointed in Battery backup,it's brand new , so that i think it needs some more charge Cycles to improve the battery backup isn't it
Have you done a review on the Pro 9 comparing the 11th Gen and 12th gen chips? Just in the process of going from i5 Pro 8 to i7 Pro 9.Had no idea 11th to 12th gen was supposed to be a big jump
Not yet, but I'm hoping to get it done soon. I've been dying to talk about the Surface Pro 9 here on my channel ever since it came out. But indeed, the jump from 11th- to 12th-gen was huge. The i5 SP9 completely outperforms the i7 SP8 and is now pretty well-documented.
Which OneNote version do you use? OneNote for Windows 10 or the regular OneNote app?
I use both!
Thank you for this, I was paying attention and really appreciated but I didn't hear how much RAM you have in your review model? I'm tempted to get one and just playing the 8GB vs 16GB v money choices through my decision making. Perhaps a fast SSD change could make 8GB of RAM not too bad?
In this review, I showed and talked about these Surface Pro 8 configurations:
i5 / 8 GB RAM / 128 GB SSD
i7 / 16 GB RAM / 512 GB SSD
i7 / 16 GB RAM / 1 TB SSD
For basic everyday tasks, any of the RAM configurations will realistically serve you just fine. Although, considering how pricey the Surface Pro 8 is in general, ideally you shouldn’t be getting a one- to three-thousand dollar Surface just to get some basic work done. If you’ll be taking advantage of *everything* the Surface Pro 8 has to offer, then I highly, highly recommend configuring the Surface Pro 8 you want with at least 16 GB of RAM.
However, I should also mention that the Surface Pro 9 is out already. So…
1. If you’re still looking into Microsoft Surface Pros for your next computer right now,
2. You know for sure that you’ll be able to take advantage of everything this product line *and* form factor has to offer, and
3. You have a little bit of extra money to spare
…then you may want to look into the Surface Pro 9 instead of the Surface Pro 8, as the CPU and the RAM in Surface Pro 9 are now a lot more performant than you might think-resulting in even the i5 + 8 GB RAM configurations to be somewhat viable.
Upgrading to a faster SSD on, let’s say, the entry-level configuration could help. But once you start doing some more “power-hungry” tasks, whatever that might mean to you, then the advantages of a faster SSD will only get you so far. I’d suggest that you prioritize your RAM configuration more than whatever you plan to do with the internal SSD in the Surface Pro 8. Unlike the RAM, your storage can be upgraded anytime.
@@EJYu thank you for taking the time for such a comprehensive piece of advice. I had a feeling the answer would lead down that route but it’s great to have this clarity. I’m subscribed up and really appreciate your reviews. All the best
Great review
Surface Pro : Is it good for POWER BI Desktop and other washboarding + coding + visual studio ? What's your thoughts ? TIA from Dubai
The whole pen jitter thing is mostly non existent however I feel it should be pointed out that certain screen protectors can cause jitter.
Hope the stock for this series to go down so next 2 years the price would knock down to Surface pro 7+ (799$ for i5 1TB 16GB)
What is your opinion regarding the surface pro x on window 11? Which is better windows 11 on surface pro x or surface pro 8?
That's actually a very good question. Albeit, a very broad question with the potential for a number of answers too. Both devices have their own advantages and disadvantages that are sometimes not necessarily software-related.
Really quick: recall that the biggest difference between the Surface Pro X and the Surface Pro 8's software experiences has to do with program support-or app support. Programs run best on the Surface Pro X if they're compiled for ARM and ARM64. Fortunately, most x86 and x64 programs will run fine on the Surface Pro X, but they'll be emulated-usually with a clear bottleneck "somewhere" in "some form."
Now with that said, this dilemma regarding program support may or may not matter to you, depending on how you're planning to use either of the products you mentioned. It personally doesn't matter that much to me anymore because I'm flexible enough to make the Surface Pro X work with my workflow. Not to mention, Windows on ARM has gotten astronomically better since 2019 now that x64 applications can be emulated in Windows 11. But if you *ever* have to genuinely ask, "Will [third-party app / program] work on the Surface Pro X?" then you probably shouldn't get the Surface Pro X.
So, to answer your question, when it comes to these two specific devices, I'd probably nudge most people towards the Surface Pro 8 over the Surface Pro X. There are still a lot of reasons to get the Surface Pro X-more notably the refresh from this decade, equipped with the SQ2-but, if those reasons are not immediately obvious and attractive to you even after some light research, then it's a much safer choice to get the Surface Pro 8.
Those are my quick thoughts for you!
Unrelated (and significantly less objective), but: despite using my Surface Pro X regularly, I honestly do prefer Windows 11 on the Surface Pro 8 and 9 because the animations in Windows 11 hugely benefit from the SP8 / SP9's high refresh rate display.
Why did you stop reviewing man? Your content is great.
Surface pro 9 128GB i5 atau surface pro 8 256GB i5.
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Bagusnya pilih yang mana
Unfortunately my surface pro 8 battery life is not that good at all, I do very normal tasks, only last 4-5 hours.
hey, dunno if your still around, vids a little old i guess.
I have a Surface Go first gen and the drawing experience is literally bad. Even my Chromebook has a a smoother drawing experience.
I'm reluctant to buy a Windows 2 in 1 for drawing because of that, but it looked like you were actually able to draw on that thing.
I have a Huion right now and it's smooth as butter, but that's a standalone drawing tablet so no surprises there.
I'm just not sure what to expect from one of these devices.
Would you say it's a decent drawing experience?
I especially like that flat-body pen.
Is it worth considering i7 (11th gen) + 16gb surface pro 8 (1289 euros) or I should go for i5 (12th gen) + 16gb ram surface pro 9 (1500euros)? There is a price gap of almost 250 euros between those two devices. I need flawless browsing, youtube, zoom and microsoft teams performance with occasional programming in visual studio or eclipse or intellij idea. Also, taking note and annotating is a requirement. There is surface pro 8 core i5 (11th gen) + 16gb which is 1100 euros. Which one I should consider? I am planning to use the device flawlessly at least for 3 years.
I own basic i5 128GB version and it handles everything i throw at it. I wont suggest you to go with i7 considering your requirement. what i did was i bought basic version and than upgraded the ssd to 512gb which i bought it from ebay for 60$
@@jospdcunha Currently I have a thinkpad x1 carbon gen 9 with 256 gb ssd, 8gb ram and core i5 1135g7, and the performance is disaster. During a zoom call, I can't do anything. Also watching youtube videos in Edge is a disaster.
@@priombiswas that sounds like a cooling and throttling issue for sure.
Wait... Pro 8? Wasn't the pro 9 just announced? Sorry I am just confused
No worries! I knew this was going to be brought up at some point, haha. Long story short, this review took me a really long time to finish due to a deluge of complications. Most of those complications were also why I was gone for so long, not making any content for two years.
And you're absolutely right, the Surface Pro 9 was both announced and released last month, so, honestly, I'm not even sure if anyone will watch this review. But if anyone does, I hope they'll still enjoy it. 🥺
I've been working on this review for over a year, so I didn't want to scrap all the hard work I had put into this video just because I was taking a very long time to finish it and would be uploading it extremely late. It took me a while to get my game back, but I continued to push myself to get it done and, well, now it's here! I wasn't intending for this review to come out so late, and I was _especially_ trying really hard to get this finished before the next Surface Pro generation came out (which clearly didn't happen LOL), but I was going through some extremely low points in life so I wasn't able to get myself to work on this as much as I thought I could.
I'm working on my Surface Pro 9 video right now though! I hope you'll stick around to see it when it gets posted. Thank you for checking out my new video!
@E.J. Yu I'm watching this review. Just purchased SP8 because of 300 off discount. Got one open box with additional 250 off. Much much better than $1500 for SP9
@@EJYu Thanks for your hard work, I'm thankful for the review. To me, the Pro 8 is much more interesting than the Pro 9 since it is significantly cheaper and still has everything I need, so I would always go for the previous model.
Don't stress yourself too much about posting a video "in time", mental health is much more important :) Greetings from Germany!
The 12th gen chips you were raving about are in the surface pro 9, and perform marginally better than the 11th gen ones in the 8. The 12xxP models seem like a pretty big leap, but the U models that the surface uses are nothing special. And intel didn't "kick amd's ass" with the launch of their 12th gen cpus. 12th gen was intel playing catch up after years of producing horrificly inefficient laptop cpus. Only now, with the brand new core ultra lineup, is intel truly competitive with amd again. Great cpu performance and efficiency with very respectable igpus.
I recently bought a sp8 and was on the fence about it to be honest. Is it the best or worst of both tablet laptop world's. And I've come down on the worst side. Its a bit awkward with the kick stand, battery life isn't great, and for me the pen is a toy that I just haven't used beyond playing with it. So I'm selling mine and going for a laptop. The sp is a nice bit of kit, it's just not for me.
7+ has same CPU, same ddr4 ram. 8 has better screen and screen size. In the used market I would either buy 7 plus or skip to 9. 7 plus i5 is around $350 and 9 is around $700 core i5 12th gen.
wow the keyboard cover price is ridiculous.
Bought one a year ago. Got 3 white spots on the display already and i only used it like 1 hour a day. It also gets heated a lot if you play a game. i wouldn't recommend it. If it is possible, get Surface pro 9 or something else.
Take advantage of your warranty right now and don't let that slide. That hardware defect you mentioned regarding your display shouldn't be happening at all-especially not within one year.
I recently returned my i5 model due to text in getting redish tint while scrolling in dark theme. On top of that performance was not realy smooth. Not worth the money for me
Oh no! I’m sorry to hear about that! I got my hands on a few Surface Pro 8 units, as you can see in the video, and, from my experience, I’m pretty sure that those issues you’ve mentioned *aren’t* normal things that you should be experiencing-especially for a brand-new device. I would’ve suggested to look into a replacement, or even to return the old device and repurchase a new one to make sure you didn’t get a defective unit or something, but no worries. Sometimes, we can’t afford to be wasting time over that stuff. What other laptop or tablet did you end up getting instead, if you don’t mind me asking?
SP9 is missing an audio jack so SP8 is still the best option for SP fans.
I'm a SP fan and I'm glad that the ancient headphone jack is finally gone. The SP9 has doubled in multi-core CPU performance while having similar battery life, has much better button and port placement, supports Gen4 SSDs, and is finally easy to repair, Therefore the SP9 is the best for SP fans.
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Honestly the difference between surface pro 8 to 9 is almost negligible,
I wouldn't say it's almost negligible. At all. I really hope I can get my video out on the Surface Pro 9 really soon because honestly I've been dying to talk about it here on my channel.
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Wow. I have a Surface pro 8 and figure that you could always play games on the Surface devices. How can you run the Xbox division, make PC games and have PC games made on your OS and your own devices can’t support any of these games. Jesus. Scared. If I knew that I probably wouldn’t have bought my Surface. Doesn’t inspire confidence in a product if it can’t even run games their own company makes. How come people didn’t put up a bigger complaint about this before. If people complained more maybe they would have had to address this issue long before. I think this only changed because of the CEO going full backing of the Xbox division.
What a nice review. But just one change. Make it less boring and speak less.
so amazing that you can't even hold it on your lap if it's plugged into a charger because your skin will burn in a minute. So amazing that they made the most uncomfortable pen in the world for artists, and also with only one button, instead of 2 like all tablets.
So amazing that when you buy and turn it on, you can ONLY use it if you have wifi and at the same time ONLY if he FOUND it. And my surface didn't find it (AND THIS IS A COMMON PROBLEM), there is no way to register any other way or delay it.. I already decided that I would have to return it as defective, but fortunately I had a type -c adapter with a lan wire. This is the only way I was able to directly connect the Internet to the device TO JUST START IT.
After a year of infrequent use, horizontal lines appeared on my screen. For a minute, and I still don't know why, but it was. Imagine my face when I saw this on a $2k device.
The author of the video either did not use the device at all, or used it for about an hour maximum, this is the only reason why this crap could be released.
I REALLY WANT a good surface to appear, without all these problems, but I don’t think that this will happen in the next 5 years
I disagree 1000% on making the keyboard wireless. I do not want to have to charge a another device. Absolutely do not want another battery that will fail eventually. I don't want to have to deal with paring. If you want a wireless keyboard, there are TONS of bluetooth surface keyboards out there. It would be a shame if they make theres worse just so you can use it detached.
And I totally get that. I *don't* want to deal with any of those things either. But you seem to have completely forgotten who's making these Surface Pro Signature Keyboards in the first place and are therefore dismissing the entire point of the vision driving the Microsoft Surface family of devices and its newer peripherals. Take the time to genuinely think about this really quick and hear me out.
My vision for having *wireless* Surface Pro keyboards is not that far off from what we already have today, and it's probably what Microsoft would most likely do if they ever do decide to take this route. If a good, new, wireless Surface Pro keyboard were to come out, I'd imagine it would surely accomplish the following:
1. Have a seamless charging solution (that you wouldn't have to think about),
2. Have a good battery that *wouldn't* go bad as quickly as you're suggesting it would,
3. Have a seamless parting solution (that you *also* wouldn't have to think about), and
4. Follow the design principles and careful attention to detail that Microsoft Surface devices and peripherals are actually *supposed* to have (which... most third-party Bluetooth Surface keyboards unfortunately **do not follow whatsoever** right now).
First of all, *you* wouldn't have to go out of your way to charge it. Your *Surface* would automatically charge it for you whenever you'd use it wired-which is the experience I'd imagine *most people* (including you) would still be using the majority of the time anyway. And you wouldn't even have to think about it because your Surface would charge the keyboard in question the same way that charging the Surface Slim Pen and Surface Slim Pen 2 has always* been done: through the power fed into the keyboard via the Surface Keyboard port. This is already a very positively received solution for its seamlessness (and yes, charging the Surface Slim Pen this way *is* seamless *and* practical in use). So, why wouldn't it be for a wireless Surface Pro keyboard from Microsoft as well? With that said, this directly addresses your concern regarding "not [wanting] to have to charge another device" because (1) this approach builds on top of the experience that we already have today and (2) therefore wouldn't prompt the user to have to go out of their way to charge it (by design).
(Asterisk [*]: Unless you *don't* want to charge it that way, of course, but that's an inessential choice and, at that point, you're putting in the effort to make the experience worse than it was intended to be. Continuing on…)
Second, this isn't something that necessarily needs a “big” battery to work well. Surface Slim Pen 1 and 2 both have (arguably) ultra small batteries, but they: (1) work great, and (2) don't degrade nearly as fast as quite literally anything else that can be reasonably compared to it. If history with Microsoft's most recently released rechargeable products has taught us anything, it's that these batteries won't fail as fast as your comment is suggesting it would. Obviously, it's inevitable (since these are lithium ion batteries we're talking about here, so you may have a point there), but the quality control with Surface Slim Pens have been phenomenal-resulting in batteries that don't go bad easily-and that therein prompts me to believe that having a battery in a wireless Surface keyboard would be just fine. Therefore, the fear presented here-of having "another battery that will fail eventually"-is nothing short of futile skepticism.
Third, you wouldn’t have to deal with Bluetooth pairing as we know it whatsoever. You'd be docking the Surface Pro Signature Keyboard to the Surface Pro itself-the same way anyone would right now with Microsoft's existing (wired) Surface Pro keyboards (which people *do* like)-and, boom, it's paired, without you even thinking about it. Now the keyboard can be used wirelessly. Take it off and you’ll find that it still works. (And this *is* technology that exists right now. It's not hard to accomplish.) Remember, this is basically also how the Surface Slim Pen 1 and 2 pairs to the device. Albeit, *through* the charging cradle inside of the keyboard (if you know what technicality I’m talking about), so that's technically not a direct connection to the Surface Pro itself depending on how you see it, but my point still stands. This would directly address your concern about how you "don't want to have to deal with paring" because, with this concept, you literally would *not* have to think about pairing whatsoever since that would be completely done through a passive process unconsciously initiated by you-and, again, it *is* seamless (because existing pairing methods for existing Surface peripherals are already seamless by design).
Fourth, while there may be tons of third-party Surface-compatible Bluetooth keyboards out there, the majority of them aren't good. Even many of the ones designed and produced specifically *for* Microsoft Surface. And I thought we already knew this. They're prime examples of exactly what your comment states you DON'T want. Bad batteries, pairing instructions, and manual charging routines, just to name a few. And I doubt that Microsoft would let *their* version of this wireless Surface Pro keyboard in question get to that point because they already *don't* entertain that with *any* of their current core products and accessories. So, why think they’d succumb to that level *now?* Not to mention, these aforementioned third-party keyboards in general don't even follow the design principles and careful attention to detail that make Microsoft Surface devices and peripherals attractive at all in the first place. So that directly addresses your final remark regarding the "TONS of Bluetooth Surface keyboards out there."
And there. That was it. I directly addressed each and every one of your concerns right here, right in front of you-and it wasn’t hard to think of each one. And all of this would ideally be in the same physical package of the Surface Pro Signature Keyboards that we have today. Nothing should get thicker. Nothing should get uglier. It's literally just the same keyboard, but wireless. I don't see a problem with that. And I really don't understand why you 1,000% disagree with this. This entire vision is what I had in mind when I talked about the desire for wireless Surface Pro keyboards (14:07 - 16:13) in my review. And if this vision ever truly does get executed in the manner that I am envisioning it to be executed (again: seaming charging / pairing that you literally don't have to think about, agood battery, same size as the first-party Surface Pro keyboards that already exist, etc.), then this should be welcomed. Not feared.
Again, at the end of the day, the Surface Pro Signature Keyboard products literally just need to be the same thing as what we have right now, but with a small battery (that doesn’t make the actual keyboard any thicker than it already is) and the ability to seamlessly continue using it while detached-even if that's for a small amount of time (like five hours). Because let's be real: if that product *does* ever become a reality, there's no way that a wireless version of what already exists could be *any* worse from how we all already use the *existing* first-party Surface Pro Signature Keyboards from Microsoft. It'd just be an extension of the same experience, and (hopefully) *no more* than that. Adding a small battery and components for wireless accessibility really shouldn't make the keyboard any thicker than it is right now nor introduce intricacies that would complicate the user experience. Period. And trust me, I've thought of almost every possible argument against this idea. They all fall short somehow. If the team behind Microsoft Surface genuinely stays true to the vision driving these products (which we currently have no reason to believe that they won't-at least for their accessories), then this is an idea that nobody should be against-including you. Besides, it’s not like the intent (at least, from my vision) is to make the keyboard *completely* wireless and untethered 24/7. So, I’m telling you, a wireless Surface Pro Signature Keyboard *would* be great, and I'm very passionate about that stance. And remember: Microsoft has offered a *variety* of options for first-party Surface keyboards for years. If a Surface Pro Signature Keyboard with wireless capabilities were to come out, I'd imagine they'd still offer the original "signature keyboard" experience *without* Bluetooth just as usual. But even if they don't do that, well… again, that's *not* a problem, as the concept / vision that I'm presenting to you would quite literally be an extension of what we have already. There's no way that this hypothetical product could get any worse just so some people can have the opportunity to use the keyboard detached.
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there's only 1 thing you're right about the Surfaces: they are garbages. Totally garbage to compare with other devices at the same price lol. These poorly performance craps surely look unique but don't serve 99% of normal user.