Hi Justin, I love your channel and I'm inspired by your passion for cinematography and filmmaking. I have a question, I'm thinking of doing a docuseries project and wondered on a $2000 budget what lens kit and brand would you recommend for the sony fx30 or fx3? Thanks in advance and I appreciate the hard work you put in to give us great content and knowledge on filmmaking and gear.
@@JustinPhillip This is the exact video I needed to see! I saw the lens two days ago, but didn't see enough proof online that it was good. Thank you Justin, you're the man! 🙌🏾
There's another camera to get if you want a proper cinema camera and love sony sensors. That's the Sigma FP. Unlike the FX3 and FX30 it doesn't manipulate the image at all. You get the pure RAW bayer data straight from the Image sensor. I used to think the 12bit linear RAW is a problem until I learned the FX3 also has 12bit linear readout in video mode to encoded to 10bit log so unless you need autofocus and on camrra noise reduction the FP is a clear winner
dude, you're opening my eyes to things like the relationship between frame rate and shutter speed and exposure analysis. It’s good that I didn’t choose Sony, but ordered a z cam f6
@jakenotfromstatefarm @t3chnicolor I think they're both missing the point or just didn't watch the whole video. He clearly says that it's not about the camera, but about the people behind it.
The absence of Shutter-Angle is the only thing that disappoints me about the A7IV - SONY must update all these cameras that people are using for video, with Shutter-Angle option - It would definitely make them more popular.
I mean sure.......but its 1500 bucks, and i think its just a stepping stone to greater tools. People like me need a dumbed down version of "cinema" as we're still learning the language, culture and techniques, especially coming from photo. This is a great stepping stone, nothing more, nothing less Edit, uh.......you dont know blue collar guys and brands lol. Tool brands, car brands, gun brands, pedal bike brands, you name it, you switch to something your peers arent cool with, it causes lots of flame haha
Coming from a bmppc4k to my FX30, I agree about a lot of these points. I miss false colors sooo much. Yes, I can access false colors on my external Shinobi, but it's not the same, especially if I want to shoot barebones and don't want to use an external monitor. Another good point is the EI function. I've watched so many videos on it and don't really see the point. It seems convoluted. I stick to ISO 800 for outdoor or properly lit indoor scenes and kick it to 2500 or under if the lighting is crappy. That's it. I will say though that I am still happy with my FX30. Most of my work revolves around corporate events (run and gun) and corporate marketing videos (talking head/b-roll), and the FX30 makes those shoots much less stressful for me.
Cine EI is not for run and gun scenarios. It is impossible to use it, not enought time. Cine EI is a way to achive a better image thinking in post color grading. Less noise. I have sean lot of dp's in high budget music videos shootin in Cine EI, 800 base iso, and changing isos to 1600 and then lateral realizing the footage is darker and not knowing what to do. So much misinformation about Cine EI in youtube
Honestly the whole “cinema camera” debate is just a waste. It’s just a title and it means little when you take a step back. Most modern censors can give an excellent picture. All the other functions are just tools. FX3 was just used as the main camera on “The Creator” without shutter angle or SDI
The Lumix S5IIX seems perfect for you. It has shutter angle and many other "cinema" centric features, including waveform monitor, luminance spot meter and vector scope. I have the S5II standard model, as I'm not making narrative pieces. Great camera.
s5iix is great, basically an fx3 for half price. way better than cropped fx30 for poors who dont have lighting/crew. but the damn moire makes it unreliable for pro use imo. everything else about it is indie filmmaking gold. if they add an olpf itll be great
I love the honestly and passion on display here. Being unafraid to talk major smack about a product is what I look for in a youtuber, and shockingly is hard to find in the video-tech-review space, and I say this as a professional cinematographer and FX30 user - We owe nothing to the brands.
I think Sony understands that most content we consume is no longer movies, and most people that shoot are not aiming to be on a big screen. So Sony is redefining cinema, because your wedding, documentary might be cinema to you.
Dude I totally feel for you and am sorry you got stuff stolen. Empathize as I had some people break into my house as I was sleeping and took my Acam, two laptops and a gimbal recently. I dig your perspective and as a former panasonic guy who switched to sony and is baffled by some of the choices while still being amazed by the picture quality, and do believe that Red's patent is a major factor holding the RAW capabilities back, I do feel like marketing/branding language is heading in a direction that will soon deem any camera that shoots video in any horizontal ratio a cinema camera-- An obvious overstatement on my part but wanted to drop a comment in my support of your channel. Keep em coming
Hey i know you put this video out 6 months ago, i would like to hear your thoughts on this camera now, Starting this September, they are doing a firmware update that gives you (1) Shutter Angle.. So now you are going to have Shutter Angle.. Not to mention (2) new 1.5x de-squeeze function for anamorphic lenses, as well as a new integrated high-quality 3D LUT process that should give the camera more accurate color processing. (3) New Monitor and Control feature (including waveform and false color) (4) New preset 709tone support for color matching cameras (5) Expansion of supported lenses (including SEL100400GM and SEL200600G) So now all these new features makes this camera a game changer and deserves to called a "Cinema Line" just like the FX6 which will cost you 3 or 5 times as much, Yes it's a APSC camera but people was going with Blackmagic and was only a micro 4 3rds camera.. So I would like your Opinion now and what you have to say about this camera? Does all this change your mind about this? Not to mention that most cinematographers don't just use the Camera with out addons, they don't just take the a camera out of the box and use just that even with RED and i shot with Red before you do need their monitor, so why not have a Ninja V+ with this Sony FX3 or FX30? I mean most cinematographer's have a rig setup and tons of addons to their system it just helps and and allows them to be more creative, it's not all about what you can do with just the camera body it's about what it is capable of with or with out addons, it's all about what you can get out of that camera. And for the Price hell you can get a lot for a great price, Very good Entry level and just last year Netflix announced that they support the Sony FX3 and allow you to shoot with that for Netfix shows and movies.. So i n my opinion, yes the FX3 and FX30 are both "Cinema Line" Camera's Very good Entry level, now if i had a major Project what would i use the RED CINEMA V-RAPTOR XL 8K VV, Yes it's $50k for this camera but NOT just a entry level camera right? NO, and i have used that Camera, it works great, i mean if your going to shoot a Major Motion Picture film with like Tom Hanks or arnold schwarzenegger , or Brad Pitt or actors like that your going to use a RED CINEMA V-RAPTOR system. But for log budget Entry level Filming the Sony FX3 and FX30 will do the job and will do it well.. And Lets talk about davinci resolve, you don't need davinci resolve to do great editing, Premier pro will do fine, as a matter of fact, Terminator: Dark Fate was edited with Premier Pro, yes look it up, so davinci resolve is not the be all and end all of video post editing, in fact Premier pro is just as good as davinci resolve if not better in some ways.. So that arguement and remark of you can't edit RAW in davinci resolve, so what, use premier Pro, works fine there..
hi! what i said about Resolve was directly in regards to color grading, which Resolve is 100% the INDUSTRY STANDARD for color grading. Maybe you should look THAT up. Beyond all of what you're saying, i think you missed the biggest point, is that i do own the FX30, i owned it when i made the video, and i still own it now, and am using it to film my own documentary. Honestly, i dont care what tools anyone wants to use, becuase the camera is just that, a tool. I do believe i mentioned this in the video as well. and yes, lots of nice updates coming for these cameras. However, one thing i would challenge you on is that the majority of real hollywood films are shot on ARRI, and REDs are more reserved for action packed or heavy CGI films where they can take advantage of the higher resolution and global shutters. Everything else, for the digitla filmic look, is captured on ARRI systems. But again, i could care less. the tool is only as strong as the person using it. I also dont think anyone should be buying any of these cameras that are sold for more than 5 grand, especially when they're just going to be obselete in another coupla years. the Beauty of the industry is everything can be rented, and it should be. dont waste you rmoney on anytyhing except AKS & Lenses. :) Or if you are going to invest into a camera body, i think something like a Leica or an ARRI will give you WAY more return on investment as well as always maintain not only street cred but also will always hold its value. WAYYYYYY more than any Sony or REd camera ever even dreamed of. Companies like Sony & RED operate in the Apple mentality, whereas companies like Leica & ARRI operate as true artists. just my 2 cents on it all. But yes, i agree with you about the updates, lots of nice ones, should make using the FX cameras easier. However, what i will say, is the FX30's AF and the fact it being S35 are the cameras big pitfalls, and i did shoot on the a7Siii for over a year , and trust me, the AF is not as good, for starters the FX30 doesnt even have the same amout of focus points, and that makes sense because of the smaller sensor. But hey, if you're actually shooting real "cinema" than you'll have someone pulling focus for you anyways. Just make sure you have a locking lens adapter that is then bolted to you camera cage, otherwise that image is going to be swimming every time your 1st does a long focus pull. And that will definitely look quite the opposite of "cinematic".
@@JustinPhillip sounds all good to me, i do know that Resolve is the INDUSTRY STANDARD, how ever, i still believe you can do just as good a job using Premier pro, Just like with camera's It's not really the Software, it's the person using it, you get a person who know what he is doing you can get just as good results using Premier pro as you did with Resolve.. Like i said Terminator: Dark Fate was edited with Premier pro, the entire thing color grading and clips and all that, When people hear about how that move was done in post with Premier pro, people was shocked and scratching their heads saying "Really?" I think they did a great job using premier pro.. ruclips.net/video/pDQjaqdshL4/видео.htmlsi=wy5jonpLQQtHgcMz
I’m not too familiar with these smaller cameras but as far as I was aware they marketed the fx3 as “cinema camera” with “cinema line” stamped on the camera body. And yeah you can shoot a movie with it and they did but you can shoot a movie on most modern cameras now. The fx30 seems like the identical camera except not full frame. Isn’t that kinda the only difference?
Loved the video man. Thanks for sharing more of your scope, including the street photo stuff! I just visited Jason Lee's camera shop, which was super cool as well. Excited for 2024
Justin another honest, informative, and awesome video. And I love that you went deep about your struggle, being an orphan, and your evolution. And strong points I agree with in your video. ✊🏽 I’ve respected you from the first video I saw. You are an awesome dude.
There is memory modes in Sony cameras, like MR1, MR2, MR3, and you can save custom shutter speed and frame rates to these memory modes. I have 24fps with 50 shutter set to MR1 mode, 50fps with 100 shutter to MR2 mode, 100fps with 200 shutter set to MR3. So you can just spin the dial to jump between these modes in one second.
Hey man, I feel bad about your gear getting stolen. Thats a huge blow because film gear is expensive and a huge investment. Pray you quickly revover from this setback.
This is the reason I won't part with my Sigma FP. Even though DNG is a pain, the El Zone has been fantastic. I do believe that the new Atomos Ultra has EL Zone build in. So we are getting there. I too have never understood what the big deal was about Sony. I have the Zv-1 and it's okay, once you figure out the high temp mode and the very confusing menu system.
Justin, your passion, energy and knowledge ( and comedic timing) makes the explanation very educational. I don’t have any allegiance to any camera brand (just like phones), since I go for what works for my requirements. I have a canon c100 camera, I recently left Sony a7iii and invested in a zcam and lumix s5 mainly for the topics you are sharing without me realizing it. Keep up the good work.
Legit question (didn't want it to be lost in my other comment) but to me it sounds like you're saying that specific features are what make a true cinema camera -- and lacking those specific features makes something not a true cinema camera. Are features what it really comes down to? Shutter angle, built in ND's (which the Komodo/X don't have), onboard "pro" audio inputs though no one is recording audio to an ARRI, bigger batteries (which some of the cinema camera's batteries don't even last as long as the FX3's), or internal raw (regardless if the RAW is not even used)? Not being snarky ... just asking for clarification. I mean if the FX3 is just a video camera, I think you should touch the much hotter topic ...... you aren't a filmmaker if you aren't making actual short/feature films. Wedding "filmmakers" is the biggest load of nonsense that blurred the "videographer" and "filmmaker" lines for all of us.... wedding films are not films. It's a style of wedding videos that brilliantly commands a much HIGHER premium (props to wedding videographers for re-packaging their videos and making more money, great job, seriously! but that don't make them actual films)
I agree with you. If you dont know about me, I primarily shoot Narrative (www.justinfilm.com) I think my biggest thing when thinking of a “cinema” camera is internal raw. For me and what i do that is like the closest we have to analog film in our digital era. Thats just my opinion of course. Shutter angle just really cuz its what im used to working with for lighting & metering purposes and of course what i talked about in this video. But every good cinema camera does have decent exposure tools far beyond what the sony cameras offer. Which again for people actually doing lighting is important. But i hear ya! 🤙🏼
@@JustinPhillip been giving me lots to think about. Am curious on your take, but if cinema cameras are defined by features if an IPhone App unlocked shutter speed and RAW internal recording, would you consider it a cinema camera as cringy as that is? 😘 or maybe asking another way, what features would an iPhone need to make it a cinema camera? 🤣 thx man
i never thought the FX30 was really a "cinema camera". the recently announced Panasonic G9II seems to have more "cinema features" than the FX30. but i guess the G9II can't be considered a cinema camera in the community cos it's M43 😂
Only negative of the S5x2 is the cropped 60p. Really hurts.... Also you can't do internal prores because it only has sd cards, so that sucks. But as far as dynamic range, and colors go, I agree its fantastic.
@@jessecumberledge4530also, S5iiX doesn’t have any timecode input. That’s a huge bummer!! Let’s face it, the term ‘cinema’ camera is way overused. Like ‘cinematic’ and ‘DP’. Most “DP‘s” out there are just videographers. Who’s shooting for cinema theses days anyway?
Spectacular rant. Definitely don't disagree with your thesis. One correction though--Sony was in the video camera and cinema camera business well before it acquired Konica Minolta. Its digital cinema cameras were used in feature films well before the RED One was released
This is your channel in your opinion is the only one that counts here I love all your videos when it comes to making a decision on buying film making gear specially, low budget year you help me make decisions. I actually got one of the Portkeys monitor and I really love it. Does the Sony FX camera have internal ND filters? I also appreciate how you explain things to us, nonprofessionals you break it down in such a easy way to understand.
Hey Justin, what an incredible "one man show" again ! Thanks for all the honest sharing, info. and humour! Sorry about the lights man... geeeee. They can't take away your stong passion and "underdog" fighting that is so impresive and inspiring ! I've loved your work since the "minolta" history and lens reviews as I was a minolta photographer as a teenager in the 70's 'cause I could'nt afford a NIkon F3 or Canon FM2 at the time. Also as a orphan (adopted) ,please take to heart I LOVE your SOUL and work !!! Best, Mike (from Europe)
Cinema camera is not a real term, it was a marketing gimmick developed by Black Magic to sell cameras, if a camera fits your workflow production + post production flow so codec etc, it's a "cinema camera". Coming from a guy whose actually shot on Arriflex cameras ( real * cinema camera)
Shutter angle / shutter speed, in photography is utilized in much the same way as in the motion capture world… for example shooting a still of a race car… but you need to show the sensation of speed…. So the wheels should be blurred to look like they are spinning. Consider also if you are shooting a baseball game. You want to freeze the moment the bat hits the ball; Giving the illusion as though you froze time. Changing the amount of light hitting the sensor is just another use case. That said, any camera that claims to be a cinema capable camera, should IMO supports shutter angle when in video mode.
Wow! Glad I found this video! I was researching the FX 30, because while I shoot short films with my black magic, pockets cinema camera, 6K pro, I have been asked to do a lot of event, run, and gun projects. And for my most recent, I wanted to add a third camera to an interview set up that could ride back-and-forth on a motorized slider. I thought the stony would be a nice small, light camera to put on there. And I guess that could still work, but if I ever needed to do other things with it, it sounds like the lack of cinema features would annoy me. I am in to say how ignorant I was about Sony buying out another company and stealing their logo. I’m embarrassed to admit that I took seriously the words of some of the RUclips people you’ve mentioned in this video. It really did feel like Sony was top-of-the-line for any camera that didn’t have the traditional “body“ of a cinema camera with the majority of adjustment tools as physical buttons (although my black magic doesn’t have those physical buttons, but the giant display and super easy to use menu Counter that). It has definitely given me second thoughts. Perhaps I will buy the previous 6K camera from black Magic or maybe even the 4K. But size is a major issue. I want something as small as possible that I can throw on a gimbal and can do well in low light. I feel like I have a love/hate relationship with technology. There is really no perfect answer even when you have a lot of money (which I don’t).
I mean honestly Sony is the still the king of auto focus & lowlight & definitely easier to balance on a gimbal. Just comes down to if you need RAW or true exposure tools. Sony is a “video” camera
Excellent thoughts! As a small production service with very old cameras and trying to catch up with technology, this is excellent content to help me. God bless!
I agree. When I first experienced using the camera and finding it not having cinema tools, I questioned why it’s called a cinema camera. Then the low light performance was not impressive.
100% agreed on the shutter angle thing. I kinda miss my BMPCC for that, when switching from 24fps to 60, but also the no nonsense, aimed for film, UI vs. the horrible Sony messy one. To add insult to injury, you cannot change the language on the Japanese version (yeah, I live in Japan). I do use an external monitor, mostly because how small the default one is, so false colors are not really an issue for me. I do love the form factor, the battery life (compared to BMPCC).
You would be so wild to work with, Justin. I was smiling the whole time watching you in this one, great stuff. Like 6 cups of coffee. I'll look over your content some more and likely subscribe, love people who call it exactly like they see it. Thank you.
Great video with excellent points. I bought my FX-30 which is on the way specifically for wedding work. I still have an Ursa G1 but always wary of its sensor nowadays. Getting the footage from both to play nicely will be a challenge.
Dude first time viewer and I disagree with all the stuff about the FX30. It is a monster for the price. But I love how sh*tty passionate you are. You got that dog in you. Keep it real
My thought... Also i own a Sony alpha photo/video cam before. PPL who buy the FX30 come from that photagrapher area. Your right but the customer who buy the cam would be confused and say "this is not convenient, why this bs isn't working" because it do not look and work like the cam they know. Someone who allready is familiar with cinema cameras know why they not buy the FX30 or if they know "ok i have to set my expectation lower". The cam is great but you are absolutely right with your reasons. The changes are mostly only software depend. My bigest disapointment is Catalyst bs. and Adobe premieres Lumetry f... bs. I just donwloaded Davinci because i have no control over the RAW metadata. How ever.. the cam is great but it lags in a few important areas. I could buy a more expensive cam or save the money and try to workaround the downsides, and get the best out of the camera.
As far as I remember, Sony made first digital cinema camera by the request of George Lucas, which was used in Attack of the Clones ( thought it was suppose to be used in Phantom Menace ). Clones was first movie ever filmed with digital camera. So that's a filmmaking legacy. Minolta opened them up to photography market. Regarding other issues mentioned in this video, make me think weather I should go with a6700 instead of fx30? But there's no app for a6700 isn't it, or is it?
@@JustinPhillip Cool. I'd like to ask you 2 questions: 1. Do you think that a lut programmed in a way that recreates EL ZONE is possible? 2. Do you think I'd loose much if Id' go with a6700 instead of fx30? Other then the build and dci 4k 24p, is there really much benefit in fx30 over the other one? Cooler is something to consider too but I want to use the cameras to make films only, so no events etc. Will appreciate your answer. Love your channel!
This is true. The F900 was an important camera in the history of digital cinema. But filmmakers and documentarians had been using Sony cameras and lenses for independent production since the days of Betacam... which was later replaced by DVCAM, then HDCAM, then XDCAM (and so on). Sony wasn't the first to give indie producers high-quality, inexpensive digital cameras that shot 24fps and had changeable lenses, but they were always in close competition with Panasonic, JVC, Canon, and others from the beginning. I'm not a huge fan of Sony (for other reasons)... but they've been part of the filmmaking community for a long time... they didn't just go from making Blu-ray players to making cinema cameras after buying Minolta. 🙂
Thanks for this. In the end, the most compelling part of the FX30 or FX3 is their size. I really want to buy one because it's compact, and I could share some lenses with my A7RIV. But in the end, I keep coming back to the necessity of that $600 top handle and no viewfinder or xlr input, etc. That brings me back to almost anything else. As much I hate the size of the Blackmagic cameras, they're actually cinema cameras. Thanks for bringing Sony down to earth for me.
Ok first time here! As someone who uses an fx30 as there A cam, some points were made. Maybe some of these issues can be addressed in an update. Maybe?!?! But Despite its limitations I really do enjoy using this little cam. Hope you get all your equipment back. Liked and subscribed, looking forward to hearing more from you!!!
@@ElmarJournal I bet that the body was used rigged out and recording externally. In my opinion, a cinema camera should be modular, should have all exposure tools included (false color and even internal ND) and a way to record in RAW internally.
Man, so much to learn. Actually, I'm on research for gear to start a filmmaking company with a few college friends, and this camera is the one I'm thinking of getting as the first camera ever, addition of the sigma art 24-70 2.8. What do you think? Is it worth this camera to start a filmmaking company, or would it be a better choice bmpcc6k pro? Keeping in mind the mid budget😅
I get your points but the lack of shutter angle is the only thing that really holds this back from being a true cinema camera. Zebras and histogram definitely helps get your exposure right, and dslr video shooter made a lut that acts like false color so thats kind of taken care of. Histogram does help you get your exposure right along with the multimeter thst can be adjusted to act as more of a spot meter to parts of your scene. This is coming from a canon fanboy who switched to sony and though the fx30 isnt perfect, it is the best video focused camera thst can produce movie grade images right out of the box. Cause you need a lot more rigging to get any of the bmpcc cameras ready to go. I literally shot a very cinematic recap of an event using just the fx30 woth no extra attachments.
@@aNumberOne ya I didn't realize the 3.0 update brought false color with the monitor and control app. With he update in September adding shutter angle, this really is a cinema camera now
Hey Justin, fan of your channel since your FP days. I've had the camera for about a year and a half and although I like the crisp 4K cDNG files, I find the IQ from my 5D Mark iii with Magic Lantern Raw to be superior in almost every aspect, although no 4K. That said, I've been intrigued by the FX30, so I was wondering if you have any thoughts between the FX30 and the FP? I understand they're incomparable in so many ways, but sLog3 is one of the few codecs I've seen that picks up the micro details that raw video does. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Raw will always win IMO. However with the FX30 you gain Sony’s leading auto focus (with sony glass of course). Plus the convenience of smaller files. Also i find the dynamic range to be better on the FX30 vs the fp. Finally, the biggest deal breaker for me on the fp is the horrific rolling shutter. The FX30 has the Active Stabilization which is quite good but also the cameras shutter had a much faster read out time therefore just produces a better handheld image, even better if you pair with Sony glass that also has Stabilization. For run and gun: Sony all the way. If you’re trying to create something a little more high end and have the time to craft the image with controlled lighting and pulling your own focus: fp. Apples & oranges.
These are definitely all things that we are thinking. I think these cameras are Sonys answer to crash cams, but I’ve never understood not having shutter angle. I will say transcoding pro res raw to CDNG is not that bad. Currently doing that with the fp
hey, i have the canon r50 but i wanna get a film camera to make docs. im new to this but i am wanting to work in this sector after my masters. What camera would you recommend i invest in? Ideally I want one I can grow with, not one i need to replace after 3 years :)
My man your passion for gear is contagious! Thanks for sharing your insight. I’m looking to upgrade and debating between Fx3 and fx 6. What would you go with? Current A cam is Sony A7siii and shooting corporate and non profit documentaries. Thanks!
I'm in a similar boat to you having come from years of Blackmagic and only now going fully over to Sony for my video work - I just bought a used Fs7 and a new Fx30 and they are definitely NOT cinema cameras, whatever the marketing says, but I've bought them for corporate and doc work only. I too have been ranting in my mind over the crazy Sony implementation of Cine EI (amongst other things) and the headache involved in trying to measure exposure accurately without an external monitor. It seems to me Sony just want to find the most elaborate way possible to implement this without actually giving you a solution that really just simply measures the exposure of every part of image you are recording (Log) while allowing you to see the image with a LUT. You didn't mention the bonkers E/I system in Cine EI, which allows you to change the exposure of the LUT but doesn't affect the recorded image, thus tricking you into recording lighter or darker, or (typical Sony) you can choose to burn that EI image in, OR you can (only on the Sony Fx30, not on the Fs7 or Fx6 etc) choose "Flexible ISO". Why not just have a changeable ISO (like in other cameras) and dispense with Cine EI, Flexible ISO, Camera Base, GammaLOG, multiple gamma curve settings, etc?? People say it's the Sony menu systems that are complicated, but it's actually the whole way you set up to record that is ridiculously convoluted. Rant over haha
I was just looking at the review of the highly rated new film, "The Creator" and director Garth Edwards, who is apparently changing the game by creating a feature iMax level film with a $86M budget. The fact that he shot with multiple Sony FX3 Cinema cameras to achieve this film is puzzling based on your review of it. I have the BMCC 6K Pro with all of the goodies. I am very happy with it as I work towards creating a feature short film. But there's clearly a difference between what I can do with the Super35 format BMCC 6K Pro and full-frame cameras like the Sony FX3 and the new BMCC 6K Full-Frame. What say you? Thanks.
This craze about the FX3 being used on The Creator is similar to the 5D in the early 2010s era. No difference. Anytime any small camera is used to make a movie, that’s all gear heads care to talk about. If you ask me, any small camera could have made The Creator. It’s more about the team behind the camera. I’m sure they had there own workarounds dealing with no internal NDs, no internal RAW, and no Shutter Angle. They chose the camera for its size and lowlight performance. Full frame will always serve better for more light gathering. And there’s no question about it, Sony cameras are the clear winner for low light. Is it the best look, tho? Well that depends on the look you’re going for. People aren’t acknowledging the fact that The Creator is a Sci-Fi film. So it doesnt surprise me that they chose a camera that has a sharp video look thats excellent in low light such as the FX3.
@JustinPhillip I'm just getting started in this industry and your video opened my mind to things I never considered. The Sony FX30 was on the top of my list of entry level "cinema cameras" but after watching this video I am not sure if it's the best choice. Would you recommend a bmpcc 4k or 6k g2 over the FX30? I'll probably buy used for now.
It really just boils down to your needs. Blackmagic cameras are excellent entry level cinema cams, however they offer zero features for convenience like auto focus or image stabilization.
Funny, I just wanted to skip through the reasons but had to watch the whole video 😅 I watched a lot of content from you and now subscribed 💪🏻 I like your pace, it's not too fast. And I'm a German so I'm no native speaker 🫣
Now, I want to get the GH5 again as my C-Cam. Haha. Great video, brother! I totally get you. That's why I traded my FX30s and went back to the C200 cause the FX30 didn't function like a cinema camera out of the box, unlike the C200. It has Canon Lite Raw, and I love it. I have a lot to say. You and I already know my line of work, and the FX30 is not for me. My dude! You speak the truth, and you deserve that 1M subs ASAP!
we need more people like you to do accurate content about this kind of stuff. there's too much noise and bullshit on youtube right now and it's not doing people in the industry any service.
Your description of how cinematographers approach shutter is SPOT ON man 👌 Nick Driftwood created a FREE LUT for Lumix S cameras that shows all the stops of the range (even 0.5 stops in the midtones), just like you describe. That's how I expose my S5IIX sensor now. Amazing!
liked the vid, Appreciate your honesty. i have the fx3, 30 and fx6. I need multi cams that look similar. These cams do have shortcomings, but like you said with tools, you figure them out and keep it moving. hopefully Sony does implement shutter angle going fwd since it came with A9III. As a small crew and just one man show, and small budgets, these cams have been great. Keep on keeping on with your realness.
Hi I’m new here and my favourite part of the video is the end. Where you explain who you are, your passion, the origin of Dog times. Awesomeness Keep it up 🙌
Never used one. Looks like a mirrorless camera where video was a sidecar to the original design. I guess it could be a B cam to a real camera like a C80, C70 or C400. Something like that. But it lacks a lot of basic features found in other cinema cameras. We should call it what it is, a hybrid camera. And if its not that, then its cerainly wearing hybrid clothing.
EL zone will not be coming out anytime soon because somehow its "patented design". I just load it into my camera as a LUT. Its technically a hack but extremely simple, free, and required for the time being.
From THOMSON CSF to JVC NIVICO with TASCAM microphone ' Native RGB S/N Video Signal . In the same price of FX 30 you can buy a Panasonic X 2000E 4K UHD 60fps with LEICA Lens 24x 25mm !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the best video I have ever watched on RUclips. I couldn’t move for the whole duration of it. You’re absolutely right about this camera and the comment is coming from a 100% Sony shooter. Love it and Thank you ❤
I'm more concerned about the green screen performance. The Fugifilm X-H2 has a 12-bit full sized HDMI, and it's about the same price as the FX30. That is tempting.
@@JustinPhillip Which would you pick? FX30, FP, or X-H2 for a virtual production? The show is called Infinite Simulations. i started a meme church (this account) and we believe we're in a supercomputer and there are codes in our religions from the Sudo/Simulation God. The show is kind of like the Matrix mixed with Quantum Leap and Star Trek/Wars, where we are trying to figure out how we got in the simulation and what happened to Earth. I'm building the International Space Station Cathedral 1 (ISSAC1) and it's going to kind of be like the Coffeezilla robot bar tender dialogue with a Star Wars style alien music bar, and a bunch of cults with some Agent Smiths who have very interesting battles. The Satanist are trying to kill God and Jesus. There is so much we can do with Unreal Engine and VR live streaming.
I think manufacturers are far to keen to slap the "cinema" sticker on cameras. It's just a marketing thing. The only sony cameras that are true cinema cameras are the Cinealta cams like the F55, the others are simply camcorders with larger sensors. Still good cameras, though
Hi Justin, I love your channel and I'm inspired by your passion for cinematography and filmmaking. I have a question, I'm thinking of doing a docuseries project and wondered on a $2000 budget what lens kit and brand would you recommend for the sony fx30 or fx3? Thanks in advance and I appreciate the hard work you put in to give us great content and knowledge on filmmaking and gear.
My main workhorse lens and the whole reason im in the Sony ecosystem: ruclips.net/video/FLvH-eJ3xcg/видео.htmlsi=96m98uvMKG9IE5p1
@@JustinPhillip This is the exact video I needed to see! I saw the lens two days ago, but didn't see enough proof online that it was good. Thank you Justin, you're the man! 🙌🏾
Fx30 and Fx3 now have shutter Angle, wave form and false color in camera with the new update.
Whaaa???
Which one did you buy?
@@chrisj940 fx30
There's another camera to get if you want a proper cinema camera and love sony sensors. That's the Sigma FP. Unlike the FX3 and FX30 it doesn't manipulate the image at all. You get the pure RAW bayer data straight from the Image sensor.
I used to think the 12bit linear RAW is a problem until I learned the FX3 also has 12bit linear readout in video mode to encoded to 10bit log so unless you need autofocus and on camrra noise reduction the FP is a clear winner
@@JustinPhillip in September of 2024 lol
dude, you're opening my eyes to things like the relationship between frame rate and shutter speed and exposure analysis. It’s good that I didn’t choose Sony, but ordered a z cam f6
The creator was shot on the FX3. Looked pretty amazing to me for not being a cinema camera.
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This is the FX30. Not the FX3. World of difference.
@jakenotfromstatefarm @t3chnicolor I think they're both missing the point or just didn't watch the whole video. He clearly says that it's not about the camera, but about the people behind it.
the sensor WOW WHAT A DIFFRENCCE @@t3chnicolor
Shutter angle is now being added to the fx30
The absence of Shutter-Angle is the only thing that disappoints me about the A7IV - SONY must update all these cameras that people are using for video, with Shutter-Angle option - It would definitely make them more popular.
I mean sure.......but its 1500 bucks, and i think its just a stepping stone to greater tools. People like me need a dumbed down version of "cinema" as we're still learning the language, culture and techniques, especially coming from photo. This is a great stepping stone, nothing more, nothing less
Edit, uh.......you dont know blue collar guys and brands lol. Tool brands, car brands, gun brands, pedal bike brands, you name it, you switch to something your peers arent cool with, it causes lots of flame haha
Coming from a bmppc4k to my FX30, I agree about a lot of these points. I miss false colors sooo much. Yes, I can access false colors on my external Shinobi, but it's not the same, especially if I want to shoot barebones and don't want to use an external monitor. Another good point is the EI function. I've watched so many videos on it and don't really see the point. It seems convoluted. I stick to ISO 800 for outdoor or properly lit indoor scenes and kick it to 2500 or under if the lighting is crappy. That's it. I will say though that I am still happy with my FX30. Most of my work revolves around corporate events (run and gun) and corporate marketing videos (talking head/b-roll), and the FX30 makes those shoots much less stressful for me.
Same! I still enjoy the camera.
Cine EI is not for run and gun scenarios. It is impossible to use it, not enought time. Cine EI is a way to achive a better image thinking in post color grading. Less noise. I have sean lot of dp's in high budget music videos shootin in Cine EI, 800 base iso, and changing isos to 1600 and then lateral realizing the footage is darker and not knowing what to do. So much misinformation about Cine EI in youtube
I may not agree with every single thing you say, but damn it’s refreshing to hear someone actually speak what’s on their mind.
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Never have I subscribed so fast to a channel! You're giving out so much good information in this video! Thank you
Thank you! 🙌🏼
Honestly the whole “cinema camera” debate is just a waste. It’s just a title and it means little when you take a step back.
Most modern censors can give an excellent picture. All the other functions are just tools. FX3 was just used as the main camera on “The Creator” without shutter angle or SDI
Valid as well!
The Lumix S5IIX seems perfect for you. It has shutter angle and many other "cinema" centric features, including waveform monitor, luminance spot meter and vector scope. I have the S5II standard model, as I'm not making narrative pieces. Great camera.
s5iix is great, basically an fx3 for half price. way better than cropped fx30 for poors who dont have lighting/crew.
but the damn moire makes it unreliable for pro use imo. everything else about it is indie filmmaking gold. if they add an olpf itll be great
@@Kevlexicon Kolari can install a Optical Low Pass filter in your s5ii that will not effect the auto focus for $700.
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I love the honestly and passion on display here. Being unafraid to talk major smack about a product is what I look for in a youtuber, and shockingly is hard to find in the video-tech-review space, and I say this as a professional cinematographer and FX30 user - We owe nothing to the brands.
Yupp! And still a good camera!
I think Sony understands that most content we consume is no longer movies, and most people that shoot are not aiming to be on a big screen. So Sony is redefining cinema, because your wedding, documentary might be cinema to you.
Even films now just mostly end up on streaming services or social media.
Dude I totally feel for you and am sorry you got stuff stolen. Empathize as I had some people break into my house as I was sleeping and took my Acam, two laptops and a gimbal recently. I dig your perspective and as a former panasonic guy who switched to sony and is baffled by some of the choices while still being amazed by the picture quality, and do believe that Red's patent is a major factor holding the RAW capabilities back, I do feel like marketing/branding language is heading in a direction that will soon deem any camera that shoots video in any horizontal ratio a cinema camera-- An obvious overstatement on my part but wanted to drop a comment in my support of your channel. Keep em coming
I agree. 👊🏼
Hey i know you put this video out 6 months ago, i would like to hear your thoughts on this camera now, Starting this September, they are doing a firmware update that gives you
(1) Shutter Angle..
So now you are going to have Shutter Angle.. Not to mention
(2) new 1.5x de-squeeze function for anamorphic lenses, as well as a new integrated high-quality 3D LUT process that should give the camera more accurate color processing.
(3) New Monitor and Control feature (including waveform and false color)
(4) New preset 709tone support for color matching cameras
(5) Expansion of supported lenses (including SEL100400GM and SEL200600G)
So now all these new features makes this camera a game changer and deserves to called a "Cinema Line"
just like the FX6 which will cost you 3 or 5 times as much, Yes it's a APSC camera but people was going with Blackmagic and was only a micro 4 3rds camera..
So I would like your Opinion now and what you have to say about this camera?
Does all this change your mind about this?
Not to mention that most cinematographers don't just use the Camera with out addons, they don't just take the a camera out of the box and use just that even with RED and i shot with Red before you do need their monitor, so why not have a Ninja V+ with this Sony FX3 or FX30?
I mean most cinematographer's have a rig setup and tons of addons to their system it just helps and and allows them to be more creative, it's not all about what you can do with just the camera body it's about what it is capable of with or with out addons, it's all about what you can get out of that camera.
And for the Price hell you can get a lot for a great price, Very good Entry level and just last year Netflix announced that they support the Sony FX3 and allow you to shoot with that for Netfix shows and movies..
So i n my opinion, yes the FX3 and FX30 are both "Cinema Line" Camera's Very good Entry level, now if i had a major Project what would i use the RED CINEMA V-RAPTOR XL 8K VV, Yes it's $50k for this camera but NOT just a entry level camera right? NO, and i have used that Camera, it works great, i mean if your going to shoot a Major Motion Picture film with like Tom Hanks or arnold schwarzenegger , or Brad Pitt or actors like that your going to use a RED CINEMA V-RAPTOR system.
But for log budget Entry level Filming the Sony FX3 and FX30 will do the job and will do it well..
And Lets talk about davinci resolve, you don't need davinci resolve to do great editing, Premier pro will do fine, as a matter of fact, Terminator: Dark Fate was edited with Premier Pro, yes look it up, so
davinci resolve is not the be all and end all of video post editing, in fact Premier pro is just as good as davinci resolve if not better in some ways..
So that arguement and remark of you can't edit RAW in davinci resolve, so what, use premier Pro, works fine there..
hi! what i said about Resolve was directly in regards to color grading, which Resolve is 100% the INDUSTRY STANDARD for color grading. Maybe you should look THAT up. Beyond all of what you're saying, i think you missed the biggest point, is that i do own the FX30, i owned it when i made the video, and i still own it now, and am using it to film my own documentary. Honestly, i dont care what tools anyone wants to use, becuase the camera is just that, a tool. I do believe i mentioned this in the video as well. and yes, lots of nice updates coming for these cameras. However, one thing i would challenge you on is that the majority of real hollywood films are shot on ARRI, and REDs are more reserved for action packed or heavy CGI films where they can take advantage of the higher resolution and global shutters. Everything else, for the digitla filmic look, is captured on ARRI systems. But again, i could care less. the tool is only as strong as the person using it. I also dont think anyone should be buying any of these cameras that are sold for more than 5 grand, especially when they're just going to be obselete in another coupla years. the Beauty of the industry is everything can be rented, and it should be. dont waste you rmoney on anytyhing except AKS & Lenses. :) Or if you are going to invest into a camera body, i think something like a Leica or an ARRI will give you WAY more return on investment as well as always maintain not only street cred but also will always hold its value. WAYYYYYY more than any Sony or REd camera ever even dreamed of. Companies like Sony & RED operate in the Apple mentality, whereas companies like Leica & ARRI operate as true artists. just my 2 cents on it all. But yes, i agree with you about the updates, lots of nice ones, should make using the FX cameras easier. However, what i will say, is the FX30's AF and the fact it being S35 are the cameras big pitfalls, and i did shoot on the a7Siii for over a year , and trust me, the AF is not as good, for starters the FX30 doesnt even have the same amout of focus points, and that makes sense because of the smaller sensor. But hey, if you're actually shooting real "cinema" than you'll have someone pulling focus for you anyways. Just make sure you have a locking lens adapter that is then bolted to you camera cage, otherwise that image is going to be swimming every time your 1st does a long focus pull. And that will definitely look quite the opposite of "cinematic".
perhaps this will clear things up: ruclips.net/video/xQRuqueluF4/видео.htmlsi=jo8I7dsJcaWLfCqk
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sounds all good to me,
i do know that Resolve is the INDUSTRY STANDARD, how ever, i still believe you can do just as good a job using Premier pro, Just like with camera's
It's not really the Software, it's the person using it, you get a person who know what he is doing you can get just as good results using Premier pro as you did with Resolve..
Like i said Terminator: Dark Fate was edited with Premier pro, the entire thing color grading and clips and all that, When people hear about how that move was done in post with Premier pro, people was shocked and scratching their heads saying "Really?"
I think they did a great job using premier pro..
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I’m not too familiar with these smaller cameras but as far as I was aware they marketed the fx3 as “cinema camera” with “cinema line” stamped on the camera body. And yeah you can shoot a movie with it and they did but you can shoot a movie on most modern cameras now. The fx30 seems like the identical camera except not full frame. Isn’t that kinda the only difference?
Pretty much. Slower readout speed
@@JustinPhillip how much worse is the rolling shutter in it? Or does the full frame vs super 35 size difference of the sensor kinda make it the same?
Loved the video man. Thanks for sharing more of your scope, including the street photo stuff! I just visited Jason Lee's camera shop, which was super cool as well. Excited for 2024
Justin another honest, informative, and awesome video. And I love that you went deep about your struggle, being an orphan, and your evolution. And strong points I agree with in your video. ✊🏽
I’ve respected you from the first video I saw. You are an awesome dude.
Thank you! 🙌🏼
If Sony added those features the price would be beyond 5K. The FX6 doesn’t even have internal raw
You listed all the reasons I went for the R5C over the FX3. That and being able to use S35 lenses and still get 5.9k resolution.
There is memory modes in Sony cameras, like MR1, MR2, MR3, and you can save custom shutter speed and frame rates to these memory modes. I have 24fps with 50 shutter set to MR1 mode, 50fps with 100 shutter to MR2 mode, 100fps with 200 shutter set to MR3. So you can just spin the dial to jump between these modes in one second.
Good tip! 🙌🏼
@@JustinPhillip Yes, because otherwise it is nightmare to constantly change settings when you jump from normal to slowmo
@@JustinPhillip Yes, because otherwise it is nightmare to constantly change settings when you jump from normal to slowmo
Hey man, I feel bad about your gear getting stolen. Thats a huge blow because film gear is expensive and a huge investment. Pray you quickly revover from this setback.
Thank you
Justin You're one of the realest people to come on this platform man! I wish You all the best.
Thank you! 🙌🏼
This is the reason I won't part with my Sigma FP. Even though DNG is a pain, the El Zone has been fantastic. I do believe that the new Atomos Ultra has EL Zone build in. So we are getting there. I too have never understood what the big deal was about Sony. I have the Zv-1 and it's okay, once you figure out the high temp mode and the very confusing menu system.
I want a sigma fp, I want that cinema DNG internally.
Justin, your passion, energy and knowledge ( and comedic timing) makes the explanation very educational. I don’t have any allegiance to any camera brand (just like phones), since I go for what works for my requirements. I have a canon c100 camera, I recently left Sony a7iii and invested in a zcam and lumix s5 mainly for the topics you are sharing without me realizing it. Keep up the good work.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Legit question (didn't want it to be lost in my other comment) but to me it sounds like you're saying that specific features are what make a true cinema camera -- and lacking those specific features makes something not a true cinema camera.
Are features what it really comes down to?
Shutter angle, built in ND's (which the Komodo/X don't have), onboard "pro" audio inputs though no one is recording audio to an ARRI, bigger batteries (which some of the cinema camera's batteries don't even last as long as the FX3's), or internal raw (regardless if the RAW is not even used)?
Not being snarky ... just asking for clarification. I mean if the FX3 is just a video camera, I think you should touch the much hotter topic ...... you aren't a filmmaker if you aren't making actual short/feature films. Wedding "filmmakers" is the biggest load of nonsense that blurred the "videographer" and "filmmaker" lines for all of us.... wedding films are not films. It's a style of wedding videos that brilliantly commands a much HIGHER premium (props to wedding videographers for re-packaging their videos and making more money, great job, seriously! but that don't make them actual films)
I agree with you. If you dont know about me, I primarily shoot Narrative (www.justinfilm.com) I think my biggest thing when thinking of a “cinema” camera is internal raw. For me and what i do that is like the closest we have to analog film in our digital era. Thats just my opinion of course. Shutter angle just really cuz its what im used to working with for lighting & metering purposes and of course what i talked about in this video. But every good cinema camera does have decent exposure tools far beyond what the sony cameras offer. Which again for people actually doing lighting is important. But i hear ya! 🤙🏼
@@JustinPhillip gotcha thx 😘
@@JustinPhillip been giving me lots to think about. Am curious on your take, but if cinema cameras are defined by features if an IPhone App unlocked shutter speed and RAW internal recording, would you consider it a cinema camera as cringy as that is? 😘 or maybe asking another way, what features would an iPhone need to make it a cinema camera? 🤣 thx man
First Video I've ever watched from you... Never heard of you. .. Your video just popped up in my feed.... SUBBED!
Nice! Thank you 🙏🏼
i never thought the FX30 was really a "cinema camera". the recently announced Panasonic G9II seems to have more "cinema features" than the FX30. but i guess the G9II can't be considered a cinema camera in the community cos it's M43 😂
Only negative of the S5x2 is the cropped 60p. Really hurts.... Also you can't do internal prores because it only has sd cards, so that sucks. But as far as dynamic range, and colors go, I agree its fantastic.
@@jessecumberledge4530i was talking about the G9II not the S5II
And yet the G9Ii has no timecode input and the FX30 does.
@@jessecumberledge4530also, S5iiX doesn’t have any timecode input. That’s a huge bummer!! Let’s face it, the term ‘cinema’ camera is way overused. Like ‘cinematic’ and ‘DP’. Most “DP‘s” out there are just videographers. Who’s shooting for cinema theses days anyway?
Spectacular rant. Definitely don't disagree with your thesis. One correction though--Sony was in the video camera and cinema camera business well before it acquired Konica Minolta. Its digital cinema cameras were used in feature films well before the RED One was released
Thank you for clarifying Phillip! 🙌🏼
This is your channel in your opinion is the only one that counts here I love all your videos when it comes to making a decision on buying film making gear specially, low budget year you help me make decisions. I actually got one of the Portkeys monitor and I really love it. Does the Sony FX camera have internal ND filters? I also appreciate how you explain things to us, nonprofessionals you break it down in such a easy way to understand.
Thanks! no internal NDs on the FX 30 nor FX3
Hey Justin, what an incredible "one man show" again !
Thanks for all the honest sharing, info. and humour!
Sorry about the lights man... geeeee. They can't take away your stong passion and "underdog" fighting that is so impresive and inspiring ! I've loved your work since the "minolta" history and lens reviews as I was a minolta photographer as a teenager in the 70's 'cause I could'nt afford a NIkon F3 or Canon FM2 at the time.
Also as a orphan (adopted) ,please take to heart I LOVE your SOUL and work !!!
Best, Mike
(from Europe)
Thank you Mike! 🙌🏼
What attachment(s) are you using on top of your camera here?
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Cinema camera is not a real term, it was a marketing gimmick developed by Black Magic to sell cameras, if a camera fits your workflow production + post production flow so codec etc, it's a "cinema camera". Coming from a guy whose actually shot on Arriflex cameras ( real * cinema camera)
Shutter angle / shutter speed, in photography is utilized in much the same way as in the motion capture world… for example shooting a still of a race car… but you need to show the sensation of speed…. So the wheels should be blurred to look like they are spinning. Consider also if you are shooting a baseball game. You want to freeze the moment the bat hits the ball; Giving the illusion as though you froze time. Changing the amount of light hitting the sensor is just another use case.
That said, any camera that claims to be a cinema capable camera, should IMO supports shutter angle when in video mode.
Wow! Glad I found this video! I was researching the FX 30, because while I shoot short films with my black magic, pockets cinema camera, 6K pro, I have been asked to do a lot of event, run, and gun projects. And for my most recent, I wanted to add a third camera to an interview set up that could ride back-and-forth on a motorized slider. I thought the stony would be a nice small, light camera to put on there. And I guess that could still work, but if I ever needed to do other things with it, it sounds like the lack of cinema features would annoy me.
I am in to say how ignorant I was about Sony buying out another company and stealing their logo. I’m embarrassed to admit that I took seriously the words of some of the RUclips people you’ve mentioned in this video. It really did feel like Sony was top-of-the-line for any camera that didn’t have the traditional “body“ of a cinema camera with the majority of adjustment tools as physical buttons (although my black magic doesn’t have those physical buttons, but the giant display and super easy to use menu Counter that).
It has definitely given me second thoughts. Perhaps I will buy the previous 6K camera from black Magic or maybe even the 4K. But size is a major issue. I want something as small as possible that I can throw on a gimbal and can do well in low light.
I feel like I have a love/hate relationship with technology. There is really no perfect answer even when you have a lot of money (which I don’t).
I mean honestly Sony is the still the king of auto focus & lowlight & definitely easier to balance on a gimbal. Just comes down to if you need RAW or true exposure tools. Sony is a “video” camera
Excellent thoughts! As a small production service with very old cameras and trying to catch up with technology, this is excellent content to help me. God bless!
Glad you enjoyed it
I agree. When I first experienced using the camera and finding it not having cinema tools, I questioned why it’s called a cinema camera. Then the low light performance was not impressive.
Arri Alexa has same sized sensor, les flexible internal that this economy camera.
I love your work and I super appreciate you! I learn so much from your videos, all the time. Thank you so much! ❤
Keep up the good work... nice to view an impartial view of products.
Ive just picked this up as my first ever camera for RUclips and general content creation, i love it
So what’s the way forward ?
Didnt i already answer that?
Sorry about your equipment loss that really sucks... but thanks for the video. I know we all appreciate it.
Thanks for this refreshing and honest take. Sorry you got robbed. Def got a new subscriber here 🙏🏽
Awesome! Thank you 🙌🏼
100% agreed on the shutter angle thing. I kinda miss my BMPCC for that, when switching from 24fps to 60, but also the no nonsense, aimed for film, UI vs. the horrible Sony messy one. To add insult to injury, you cannot change the language on the Japanese version (yeah, I live in Japan).
I do use an external monitor, mostly because how small the default one is, so false colors are not really an issue for me. I do love the form factor, the battery life (compared to BMPCC).
You would be so wild to work with, Justin. I was smiling the whole time watching you in this one, great stuff. Like 6 cups of coffee. I'll look over your content some more and likely subscribe, love people who call it exactly like they see it.
Thank you.
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Man love your way of explaining it really genuine
Great video with excellent points. I bought my FX-30 which is on the way specifically for wedding work. I still have an Ursa G1 but always wary of its sensor nowadays. Getting the footage from both to play nicely will be a challenge.
Dude first time viewer and I disagree with all the stuff about the FX30. It is a monster for the price. But I love how sh*tty passionate you are. You got that dog in you. Keep it real
My thought... Also i own a Sony alpha photo/video cam before. PPL who buy the FX30 come from that photagrapher area. Your right but the customer who buy the cam would be confused and say "this is not convenient, why this bs isn't working" because it do not look and work like the cam they know. Someone who allready is familiar with cinema cameras know why they not buy the FX30 or if they know "ok i have to set my expectation lower".
The cam is great but you are absolutely right with your reasons. The changes are mostly only software depend.
My bigest disapointment is Catalyst bs. and Adobe premieres Lumetry f... bs. I just donwloaded Davinci because i have no control over the RAW metadata. How ever.. the cam is great but it lags in a few important areas. I could buy a more expensive cam or save the money and try to workaround the downsides, and get the best out of the camera.
As far as I remember, Sony made first digital cinema camera by the request of George Lucas, which was used in Attack of the Clones ( thought it was suppose to be used in Phantom Menace ). Clones was first movie ever filmed with digital camera. So that's a filmmaking legacy. Minolta opened them up to photography market.
Regarding other issues mentioned in this video, make me think weather I should go with a6700 instead of fx30? But there's no app for a6700 isn't it, or is it?
Good point about Star Wars! I redact my statement! I believe the app works for all Sony cameras
@@JustinPhillip Cool. I'd like to ask you 2 questions: 1. Do you think that a lut programmed in a way that recreates EL ZONE is possible? 2. Do you think I'd loose much if Id' go with a6700 instead of fx30? Other then the build and dci 4k 24p, is there really much benefit in fx30 over the other one? Cooler is something to consider too but I want to use the cameras to make films only, so no events etc. Will appreciate your answer. Love your channel!
This is true. The F900 was an important camera in the history of digital cinema. But filmmakers and documentarians had been using Sony cameras and lenses for independent production since the days of Betacam... which was later replaced by DVCAM, then HDCAM, then XDCAM (and so on). Sony wasn't the first to give indie producers high-quality, inexpensive digital cameras that shot 24fps and had changeable lenses, but they were always in close competition with Panasonic, JVC, Canon, and others from the beginning. I'm not a huge fan of Sony (for other reasons)... but they've been part of the filmmaking community for a long time... they didn't just go from making Blu-ray players to making cinema cameras after buying Minolta. 🙂
Thanks for this. In the end, the most compelling part of the FX30 or FX3 is their size. I really want to buy one because it's compact, and I could share some lenses with my A7RIV. But in the end, I keep coming back to the necessity of that $600 top handle and no viewfinder or xlr input, etc. That brings me back to almost anything else. As much I hate the size of the Blackmagic cameras, they're actually cinema cameras. Thanks for bringing Sony down to earth for me.
Lmaoooooo. Watching at 1.5x, subscribed because of you talking fast and spitting truth. Refreshing.
Keep it up brother ~ ✊🏼
Thank you! 🙏🏼🙌🏼🤘🏼
Great info, thanks man!
Ok first time here! As someone who uses an fx30 as there A cam, some points were made. Maybe some of these issues can be addressed in an update. Maybe?!?! But Despite its limitations I really do enjoy using this little cam.
Hope you get all your equipment back.
Liked and subscribed, looking forward to hearing more from you!!!
Thanks!
Great video bro. You said exactly what I’ve been thinking.❤ 👍🏻👍🏻
dope content , like the honesty .. dog times mindset is 🔥
Thank you! 🙏🏼
Sony Cinema Cameras begin at FX6, I said it.
Yes i do think so hehe
Netflix approved, but you know that designation is set by Netflix not by users.
Not if you're doing Tubi movies
Really? The Creator (2023) confirmed by the director that they used Sony FX3
@@ElmarJournal I bet that the body was used rigged out and recording externally. In my opinion, a cinema camera should be modular, should have all exposure tools included (false color and even internal ND) and a way to record in RAW internally.
I like the way you lead from the heart. Keep up the good work!!!
I was deciding between this and the bmpcc4k and this vid made me choose the Black Magic. Thank you.
Man, so much to learn. Actually, I'm on research for gear to start a filmmaking company with a few college friends, and this camera is the one I'm thinking of getting as the first camera ever, addition of the sigma art 24-70 2.8. What do you think? Is it worth this camera to start a filmmaking company, or would it be a better choice bmpcc6k pro? Keeping in mind the mid budget😅
No the sony is fine
@JustinPhillip Thnx! Did you hear that in September, it is going to have a firmware update that allows it to use shutter angle?
This is mainly just Sony making weird decisions
I get your points but the lack of shutter angle is the only thing that really holds this back from being a true cinema camera. Zebras and histogram definitely helps get your exposure right, and dslr video shooter made a lut that acts like false color so thats kind of taken care of. Histogram does help you get your exposure right along with the multimeter thst can be adjusted to act as more of a spot meter to parts of your scene. This is coming from a canon fanboy who switched to sony and though the fx30 isnt perfect, it is the best video focused camera thst can produce movie grade images right out of the box. Cause you need a lot more rigging to get any of the bmpcc cameras ready to go. I literally shot a very cinematic recap of an event using just the fx30 woth no extra attachments.
Fx30 have it all now with the new update , it’s a real cinema camera.
@@aNumberOne ya I didn't realize the 3.0 update brought false color with the monitor and control app. With he update in September adding shutter angle, this really is a cinema camera now
Hey Justin, fan of your channel since your FP days. I've had the camera for about a year and a half and although I like the crisp 4K cDNG files, I find the IQ from my 5D Mark iii with Magic Lantern Raw to be superior in almost every aspect, although no 4K. That said, I've been intrigued by the FX30, so I was wondering if you have any thoughts between the FX30 and the FP? I understand they're incomparable in so many ways, but sLog3 is one of the few codecs I've seen that picks up the micro details that raw video does. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Raw will always win IMO. However with the FX30 you gain Sony’s leading auto focus (with sony glass of course). Plus the convenience of smaller files. Also i find the dynamic range to be better on the FX30 vs the fp. Finally, the biggest deal breaker for me on the fp is the horrific rolling shutter. The FX30 has the Active Stabilization which is quite good but also the cameras shutter had a much faster read out time therefore just produces a better handheld image, even better if you pair with Sony glass that also has Stabilization. For run and gun: Sony all the way. If you’re trying to create something a little more high end and have the time to craft the image with controlled lighting and pulling your own focus: fp. Apples & oranges.
You got this Justin! You do you! Sorry to hear about the gear:( shame:(
Great stuff. Was thinking of getting the F30 because IR filter has fungus on my Pocket 4K. In the process of fixing it.
Whoa!
Wish this video was out before I bought my fx30
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How is the rolling shutter?
On which? FX30 bad, FX3 pretty dang good
@@JustinPhillip thanks!
Great video man. Un fuerte abrazo desde Perú 💪🎥 Sigue adelante!
Thanks! 🙌🏼
These are definitely all things that we are thinking. I think these cameras are Sonys answer to crash cams, but I’ve never understood not having shutter angle. I will say transcoding pro res raw to CDNG is not that bad. Currently doing that with the fp
If you have the time! Thanks Anson!
Skin tones are a wee too magenta. Did you color correct with a color chart?
😂 no no chart sadly. I kinda rushed this video lol
hey, i have the canon r50 but i wanna get a film camera to make docs. im new to this but i am wanting to work in this sector after my masters. What camera would you recommend i invest in? Ideally I want one I can grow with, not one i need to replace after 3 years :)
if i was to do it all over again, and was focusing on documentaries like you, i would get the Canon C70.
My man your passion for gear is contagious! Thanks for sharing your insight.
I’m looking to upgrade and debating between Fx3 and fx 6. What would you go with? Current A cam is Sony A7siii and shooting corporate and non profit documentaries. Thanks!
FX6
@@JustinPhillip Makes sense, thanks Justin
Just found this channel…finally someone that makes sense
Thank you!
I'm in a similar boat to you having come from years of Blackmagic and only now going fully over to Sony for my video work - I just bought a used Fs7 and a new Fx30 and they are definitely NOT cinema cameras, whatever the marketing says, but I've bought them for corporate and doc work only. I too have been ranting in my mind over the crazy Sony implementation of Cine EI (amongst other things) and the headache involved in trying to measure exposure accurately without an external monitor. It seems to me Sony just want to find the most elaborate way possible to implement this without actually giving you a solution that really just simply measures the exposure of every part of image you are recording (Log) while allowing you to see the image with a LUT. You didn't mention the bonkers E/I system in Cine EI, which allows you to change the exposure of the LUT but doesn't affect the recorded image, thus tricking you into recording lighter or darker, or (typical Sony) you can choose to burn that EI image in, OR you can (only on the Sony Fx30, not on the Fs7 or Fx6 etc) choose "Flexible ISO". Why not just have a changeable ISO (like in other cameras) and dispense with Cine EI, Flexible ISO, Camera Base, GammaLOG, multiple gamma curve settings, etc?? People say it's the Sony menu systems that are complicated, but it's actually the whole way you set up to record that is ridiculously convoluted. Rant over haha
Dude I like your cartoons for the DogTimes logo design. Did you do those?
Yes
I was just looking at the review of the highly rated new film, "The Creator" and director Garth Edwards, who is apparently changing the game by creating a feature iMax level film with a $86M budget. The fact that he shot with multiple Sony FX3 Cinema cameras to achieve this film is puzzling based on your review of it. I have the BMCC 6K Pro with all of the goodies. I am very happy with it as I work towards creating a feature short film. But there's clearly a difference between what I can do with the Super35 format BMCC 6K Pro and full-frame cameras like the Sony FX3 and the new BMCC 6K Full-Frame. What say you? Thanks.
This craze about the FX3 being used on The Creator is similar to the 5D in the early 2010s era. No difference. Anytime any small camera is used to make a movie, that’s all gear heads care to talk about. If you ask me, any small camera could have made The Creator. It’s more about the team behind the camera. I’m sure they had there own workarounds dealing with no internal NDs, no internal RAW, and no Shutter Angle. They chose the camera for its size and lowlight performance. Full frame will always serve better for more light gathering. And there’s no question about it, Sony cameras are the clear winner for low light. Is it the best look, tho? Well that depends on the look you’re going for. People aren’t acknowledging the fact that The Creator is a Sci-Fi film. So it doesnt surprise me that they chose a camera that has a sharp video look thats excellent in low light such as the FX3.
@JustinPhillip I'm just getting started in this industry and your video opened my mind to things I never considered. The Sony FX30 was on the top of my list of entry level "cinema cameras" but after watching this video I am not sure if it's the best choice. Would you recommend a bmpcc 4k or 6k g2 over the FX30? I'll probably buy used for now.
It really just boils down to your needs. Blackmagic cameras are excellent entry level cinema cams, however they offer zero features for convenience like auto focus or image stabilization.
@@JustinPhillipThanks, Justin. I'm learning to use manual lenses to not be dependent on AF.
Straight talk no filler 👊🏾
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I enjoyed every minute of this video. Couldn’t agree more with everything you said. Cheers.
Funny, I just wanted to skip through the reasons but had to watch the whole video 😅
I watched a lot of content from you and now subscribed 💪🏻
I like your pace, it's not too fast. And I'm a German so I'm no native speaker 🫣
Awesome! Thanks for the sub 🙌🏼
Love it, you say the way it is no sugar coating 🙏🏻
Now, I want to get the GH5 again as my C-Cam. Haha. Great video, brother! I totally get you. That's why I traded my FX30s and went back to the C200 cause the FX30 didn't function like a cinema camera out of the box, unlike the C200. It has Canon Lite Raw, and I love it. I have a lot to say. You and I already know my line of work, and the FX30 is not for me. My dude! You speak the truth, and you deserve that 1M subs ASAP!
😆 You the man, JohnMark!
we need more people like you to do accurate content about this kind of stuff. there's too much noise and bullshit on youtube right now and it's not doing people in the industry any service.
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Your description of how cinematographers approach shutter is SPOT ON man 👌
Nick Driftwood created a FREE LUT for Lumix S cameras that shows all the stops of the range (even 0.5 stops in the midtones), just like you describe. That's how I expose my S5IIX sensor now. Amazing!
Nice!
liked the vid, Appreciate your honesty. i have the fx3, 30 and fx6. I need multi cams that look similar. These cams do have shortcomings, but like you said with tools, you figure them out and keep it moving. hopefully Sony does implement shutter angle going fwd since it came with A9III. As a small crew and just one man show, and small budgets, these cams have been great. Keep on keeping on with your realness.
I agree.
What nato rail is that?
Just a random one on top of the Wooden Camera top plate: amzn.to/465OOYt
Hi I’m new here and my favourite part of the video is the end. Where you explain who you are, your passion, the origin of Dog times.
Awesomeness
Keep it up 🙌
Subbed 100% You nailed exactly everything I have been thinking myself.
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I guess I missed that bullet. Body alone its. Plus I already own a Zoom H6. Thank you.
Do you have an FX30 Playlist?
Good idea! I’ll start building one. Here’s a good next one to start with: ruclips.net/video/xQRuqueluF4/видео.htmlsi=lvDH4lnv5gMxePac
LOL! Amen, man. Love your style. Curious: what's your take on Canon R5c? Cine or glorified video? 😉 Keep up the great work! 💪
Never used one. Looks like a mirrorless camera where video was a sidecar to the original design. I guess it could be a B cam to a real camera like a C80, C70 or C400. Something like that. But it lacks a lot of basic features found in other cinema cameras. We should call it what it is, a hybrid camera. And if its not that, then its cerainly wearing hybrid clothing.
Broooo thank you for this!! Needed this 😅
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Thank you man, I was going down a spiral of "the tool will give me a way to be better" this video helped be more on point. Thanks
EL zone will not be coming out anytime soon because somehow its "patented design".
I just load it into my camera as a LUT. Its technically a hack but extremely simple, free, and required for the time being.
Where do you get the LUT from?
From THOMSON CSF to JVC NIVICO with TASCAM microphone ' Native RGB S/N Video Signal . In the same price of FX 30 you can buy a Panasonic X 2000E 4K UHD 60fps with LEICA Lens 24x 25mm !!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is the best video I have ever watched on RUclips. I couldn’t move for the whole duration of it. You’re absolutely right about this camera and the comment is coming from a 100% Sony shooter. Love it and Thank you ❤
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I'm more concerned about the green screen performance. The Fugifilm X-H2 has a 12-bit full sized HDMI, and it's about the same price as the FX30. That is tempting.
Whoa! I also love the internal ProRes option
@@JustinPhillip Which would you pick? FX30, FP, or X-H2 for a virtual production? The show is called Infinite Simulations. i started a meme church (this account) and we believe we're in a supercomputer and there are codes in our religions from the Sudo/Simulation God. The show is kind of like the Matrix mixed with Quantum Leap and Star Trek/Wars, where we are trying to figure out how we got in the simulation and what happened to Earth. I'm building the International Space Station Cathedral 1 (ISSAC1) and it's going to kind of be like the Coffeezilla robot bar tender dialogue with a Star Wars style alien music bar, and a bunch of cults with some Agent Smiths who have very interesting battles. The Satanist are trying to kill God and Jesus. There is so much we can do with Unreal Engine and VR live streaming.
Even 2x fast is not fast enough to get to where a point is made. “You talk so much I cannot hear what you are saying” ancient Indian Proverb.
“You should take the cotton out of your ears and put it in your mouth” ancient GOAT proverb
I think manufacturers are far to keen to slap the "cinema" sticker on cameras. It's just a marketing thing. The only sony cameras that are true cinema cameras are the Cinealta cams like the F55, the others are simply camcorders with larger sensors. Still good cameras, though
... and that is why I always listen to your opinion first. Love you, Justin.
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Grazie.
Thank you! 🙏🏼🙌🏼