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Orthodox Christianity Is Depressing
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2022
- #shorts #christianity #orthodoxy Just look at their icons ☹️. Enough said.
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I will not reply anymore to Orthodox Christians who can't figure out that a short video is, well, short and thus, I can't explain much in a short. That's why I have put a link in the description to a video in which I explain my criticism of Orthodox Christianity in more details: ruclips.net/video/XaBG9C8s3oM/видео.html Unfortunately, that was not enough for Orthodox Christians, so I'm posting it here as well.
If you have any criticism of me, that's fine, but at least explain your criticism. One of the latest comments here states, "You are not telling the truth" and that's it. I know that Orthodox Christianity is all about putting your brains in the lap of theological mac daddies, but if you are going to try to criticize me, at least try to explain yourself.
Look all I’m saying is just don’t slander a while religion you can think whatever you want I can’t stop you but please don’t slander orthodoxy if what we believe is fake then so what Jesus is Jesus we can’t know what he knows you don’t see me saying that Protestants are full of crap and they are heretics but maybe this man can change your view of orthodoxy look up mar Mari Emanuel he’s is so sweet and I think he can make anyone want. To look at orthodoxy in a different way
If you can’t handle the heat get out of the kitchen. Every knee will bend and all mouths profess Christ is Lord ☦️
What's the point of repeating myself over and over again?
"Look all I’m saying is just don’t slander a while religion you can think whatever you want I can’t stop you but please don’t slander orthodoxy if what we believe is fake then so what Jesus is Jesus we can’t know what he knows you don’t see me saying that Protestants are full of crap and they are heretics..."
Orthodoxy is all about slandering other religions and denominations:
* Muslims: Only Islam is true, every other religion is fake and everybody else is an infidel.
* "Jews": We are the chosen people, everybody else are goyim.
* Catholics/Orthodox Christians: We follow the one true religion and we are the one true church, every other church is fake.
* Jehovah Witnesses: Christ has returned in invisible form. Only the Watch Tower has got everything right as they are divine. All other Christian denominations are false and all other religions are especially false. Only we are going to heaven.
The orthoprax (me, Hindus, Buddhists, etc) are like, figure it out by yourself!
"...but maybe this man can change your view of orthodoxy look up mar Mari Emanuel he’s is so sweet and I think he can make anyone want."
I know about Mari Mari Emmanuel. He is awesome 🥰.
@@OrthopraxChristianity look I understand that you don’t like orthodox Christianity but please if you don’t like it, leave it alone if you hate it so much, you shouldn’t care if people are orthodox or not the orthodox or alone and go back to whatever you want and I also think mar mai is amazing he’s like a saint here to save us all
They are profoundly humble not depressed
Exactly. Good response
People on icons, Son of God also... @@anthonypuccetti8779
@@anthonypuccetti8779the saints in the icons
Dude in the video has a point. Even if you look at what the preists wear its clearly more symbolic of suffering than exaltation. But the paths of severity tend to bare more truth in my experience
No, it really doesnt.. theyre not depressed at all@theredgoblin562
There is nothing depressing about orthodox Christianity. It led me out of darkness and gave me a renewed faith and purpose in life.
That's very nice to hear.
I agree.
Amen and Amen 💞
Beautifully said 👏
You have zero understanding of the icons you label as "depressing"
This screams at the top of it’s lungs “I had a bad experience with the church and I need something to blame”
LOL
Debunking eastern orthodox (youtube)
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary Amen.
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father
John 15:5
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing.
Colossians 1:19-20
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him all the fullness should dwell, 20 and by Him to reconcile all things to Himself, by Him, whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His cross.
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these eastern orthodoxes will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER.
Christian should not cover their head 1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonors his head. ( The head of man is Lord Jesus Christ). So the priests and bishops should not cover their head.
Believers are Royal Priest 1 Peter 2:5,9. Revelation 1:6.
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. The context is not calling pharisees, sadducees and PRIESTS father and teacher.
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Whenever a eastern orthodox argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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Music instruments are allowed for Christians
Revelation 14:2
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps.
Revelation 5:8
8 Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Jeremiah 31:4 (GOD speaking in this verse)
4 Again I will build you, and you shall be rebuilt,
O virgin of Israel!
You shall again be adorned with your tambourines,
And shall go forth in the dances of those who rejoice.
Even in Heaven with their perfect voices they had instruments then why not us
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
Even old Old Testament says Christ intercedes for us Isaiah 53:12
12 Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great,
And He shall divide the spoil with the strong,
Because He poured out His soul unto death,
And He was numbered with the transgressors,
And He bore the sin of many,
And made intercession for the transgressors.
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Humans when with Holy Spirit and apostolic succession still go wrong. And eastern orthodox is not immune to that
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
15) Paul and Barnabas both had a sharp disagreement on John Mark( Acts 15:36-41). And remember that both were Apostles filled with Holy Spirit.
16) Church in Revelation 2:1-6 Lord Jesus Himself said to the church of Ephesus that "I know your works, your labor, your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and have found them liars" but guess what that church still had problems and Lord also pointed that out "Nevertheless I have this against you, that you have left your first love......" So as you can see Churches can do Biblical and unbiblical things at the some time.
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
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Breaking 10 commandments by having statues, carved images, idols, changing the Sabbath to sunday
Because it is true. But at the same time as orthodox churches are becoming more and more corrupt, we *need* to keep our faith strong and pray and fast.
@@iceblu4713how can you say that if there are many churches (like mine) that aren’t corrupt at all?
@@FilmnAura because nowadays, the Church interferes with politics and archebishops of the churches tend to deviate from original orthodox christian advice. For example, archebishop Teodosie from Constanta, Romania, said that people who smoke or women who are on menopause aren't allowed to Confession or to the holy Liturgy. ??? 😂😂Tell me that ain't idiotic. I thought people who fall short are allowed, even obliged, by Christ, to come to church after they fell short or if they have an addiction, so that they will be cured by the Holy Spirit.
They don’t look depressed, they look calm and at peace
Indeed
may be they are in pain becoz we are not successful like Peter
@@truthwillrevealed1588 no god never has vicar Christ on earth to worship,all saint,prophets,patriachs,popes all are messagers not godly beings,only one god exists,anyways you worshipping chief apostle peter and not christ?
@@truthwillrevealed1588 wth you mock your own god,orthodox jesus = catholic one they same bro,and catholic mary icons always crying like their eyes red.
@@truthwillrevealed1588 get outta here papist
Eastern Orthodox icons are not meant to be sentimental pictures or to force an emotional response, brother. They are windows into heaven and an invitation to silence, contemplation and prayer.
Absolute true!
Exactly!
But in heaven they are singing! I'm seeking orthodoxy btw. Just saying@@alexpanagiotis4706
I can state the same for Oriental Orthodoxy, as our icons are similar and have similar uses.
They have neutral expressions by design. They are supposed to reflect the emotions of the viewer.
the most dishonest video on youtube. my orthodox priest is ALWAYS preaching on the Gospel and the entire Bible. The Icons are solemn, peaceful, transcendental, windows into the Divine. May the All Holy Virgin pray for you and us all.
I was not talking about your experiences but my family’s experiences.
Bro really said they don't read or teach from Bible. Little bro does not know that Bible is read on every liturgy with no exceptions. He is only born in "orthodox family" I bet his parents were communists and support dictator Tito. I would ask ownner of this video did your parents had card of communist party as members
You lier! You said that the priest in Orthodox Church don't preach! How your dare to lie and make calomnious general statements and then lie again that it is just about your case? @@OrthopraxChristianity
@@OrthopraxChristianityso don’t generalize all orthodox priests?
@@OrthopraxChristianity Then why speak objectively about it?
Oh my dear Lord please forgive this man for he does not know what he is doing, amen 🙏🏼
So orthodoxy is bad because the icons aren't smiling? What has this world become 🤦♂️
Listen to ruclips.net/video/EU_5sNvI3l4/видео.html or to the rest of my videos. I cannot explain much in a short video (that is less than 1 minute).
@@OrthopraxChristianity still wrong for many reasons these are not to show you the beauty of the picture it is simply a saying that was written in the bible as an icon not the actual picture the looks don't matter...I can keep going all day but I just want to say that the three headed jesus is not an orthodox icon ya donut
Orthodox Christians and icons are not depressing - its logical- icons with jesus and her mother and holy people - their faces must not evoke a animal666 instincts and a sin beautiful face in icons it's a sin because subconsciously if you like face of holy women or men and that's why orthodox religious it's to carry about you.....
Took me 40 years to find orthodoxy... I'll gladly replace him
His crazy, orthodox is very peaceful
As an orthodox Christian, we get taught a lot as children. We keep a bible at our house at all times, same as holy water. The churches are amazing and my experiences are amazing
That sounds nice.
🙏🏻🇷🇴☦️ Bine, Vlade!
Why would an Orthodox Christian name himself VladTheImpaler6969? That name oozes Satanic vibes.
May God bless you I am an Orthodox Christian too Praise the Lord !
@@vasilebalu3633 la ilaha il al-masih☦️🏴
It isn't depressing at all.
In fact, I felt happier than I've ever been after converting to Orthodox Christianity. Greetings from Turkey, Jesus is Lord ☦️
Get yourself an exorcist and get the demon out of you.
That’s a theological ravine
My brothers and sisters in Christ, without scorn please pray for this man.
That sounds wonderful! You will be praying to my Lord for me! Thank you!
@@OrthopraxChristianity We pray for you to open your mind.
@@katerinakaterinaki9143 I have an open mind. Now you. Give orthopraxy a try! 🙌 Start right here: ruclips.net/video/Y2QNGFuiOWE/видео.html
Amin Amin Amin
@@OrthopraxChristianity so your Lord is the God of orthodoxy? based
The fact that you even made this video shows that you are an angry person. I experience orthodox Christianity for the first time six months ago and it blew me away with how beautiful and uplifting it is. Sorry you’ve had a bad experience, but no reason to slender an entire faith because your feelings are hurt
Why do you think that I'm angry? I'm spreading the Good News on this channel. My feelings didn't get hurt. I was born into an Orthodox Christian family. I absolutely don't like Orthodox Christianity. It's depressing. The priests aren't teaching people anything and when I hear them talk about the Bible, they literally got so much wrong, it's mind blowing. So now I'm spreading authentic Christianity on this channel, which is all about joy, love and peace.
@@OrthopraxChristianity so basically, you are the arbiter of what is “authentic Christianity”, because you say so. I’m sorry you didn’t have a good experience, but to label Orthodox Christianity as depressing is to miss a lot, and to judge the historic church based on your subjective experience in a particular place and time. Either you decide what Christianity is or you “stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us” and submit to the church that put the Bible you read together
@@benweidner1 I'm not using the Bible that the Church put together. I accept the Book of Enoch, for example, which the Catholic and Orthodox Churches don't. You don't have to accept me as an arbiter of anything. I'm not orthodox. I'm not going to tell you "this is the true way". That's not what I'm offering here. I'm saying that any form of orthodoxy is false because demanding that people accept unproven claims as facts and condemning them if they don't do so is just wrong. I'm offering an alternative way: I will tell you what I believe to be authentic Christianity and you can decide for yourself if that's true and if what I'm saying has any value for you. Isn't that better than what your church offers you? Check out my non-short videos (especially the one about incarnation, karma and which religion is true) and decide for yourself.
@@OrthopraxChristianity No, because you ARE in effect saying that you are the arbiter of what is authentic Christianity by claiming to be spreading it. Orthodoxy does not claim to condemn anyone and it never claims that God’s grace is constrained by the church. But you must ask yourself, if you lived in the year 200AD and you said the things you are saying now, would you have been recognized as Christian, apart from the Bishops and tradition of the visible church? The answer is no, you would not be. So whatever you are trying to spread may be your unique ideas, but it’s not Christianity - historically, doctrinally, and practically. You might as well become a buddhist if it suits you. The earliest Christian writings, written by men who were taught by the apostles, completely reject your approach. So either you are right and they are wrong or vice versa. I will let you decide if you are more correct than someone who received direct teaching and tradition from the disciples.
@@benweidner1 You are looking at this through orthodox eyes. If I lived in the year 200AD and I said the things that I'm now saying, "would you have been recognized as Christian" you ask. Well, that's a good example of where it goes wrong with orthodox thinking. I don't care about being recognized by other churches/institutions. See, that's important in your denomination. You believe that once Christianity arrived in the Roman Empire and the church was founded, there were all these guys (the Church Fathers) who did the homework for you. You trust them to have done a good job. I don't. I explain that in my non-short videos all the time. When Jesus began His ministry, He was opposed by the Church Fathers of His time, the Pharisees (I know, the Church Fathers weren't as bad as the Pharisees but it's the same idea). He didn't care about being recognized by them.
Who would want an icon to smile? That would look fake! With all of the horrible things going on in the world? Many people grew up Orthodox but but it is praxis that makes you Orthodox.
You want Jesus with Thumbs Up in both hands smiling then, I guess huh?
😂😂😂
I think he wants Jesus smiling cheek to cheek, throwing a peace sign up, lol
"They don't teach theology" He says about the church who formulated the doctrine of the Trinity, essence energy distinction, theosis, has saints like the Cappadocians, Gregory Palamas, St. John of Damascus and so many more. It's why I'm converting to Orthodoxy.
Them formulating doctrine doesn't mean that they are teaching it to anyone. I have been to a number of Orthodox Churches. It's like being in a mausoleum. It looks occult, like you are in a place where they worship Santa Muerte or some other demon. Nobody is preaching inside. People just come. Some stand, some sit. The priest has these "special clothes". He walks around, pretending like he has magical powers. They aren't teaching the Bible to anyone. It looks absolutely anti-Biblical and anti-God. It's better than atheism/Darwinism. I will give you that, but it's still horrible.
@@OrthopraxChristianity what church do you attend now?
@@OrthopraxChristianity what do you mean by "they do not teach the bible"?
@@andys3035 None. I have looked for a long while for a church, but I couldn't find any that actually teaches the Bible.
@@susamogus5693 Sure, I will give you an example. Serbia is an Orthodox Christian country. You can find a church everywhere, but look outside: nobody is waiting for marriage to have sex. Look at the statistics, premarital sex is totally normal in Serbia. So what's the point of having billions of churches around? The Bible doesn't endorse premarital sex and that's what priests and pastors should teach people. Even though the vast majority of people in Serbia go to church (pretty much only to burn a candle and say a prayer), the priests aren't teaching them anything that is in the Bible.
Today I went to an Orthodox Church for my uncle’s church wedding. The people were very nice. It is rude to say that about a whole religion.
That's very nice. I'm obviously not targeting here such a thing.
@@OrthopraxChristianityyou just made an example of of when you make a car brand you have to out other car brands down.
Bro it literally is the orthodox CHURCH church is christian place of worship orthodoxy is literally the oldest form of Christianity
Smiling is a historically very new concept for showing happiness, and is typically associated with insanity. Inner peace is better than whatever emotions are controlling you.
Orthodox church is an amazing gift. God bless the east.
Go into an Orthodox Church on Sunday or on the day of the Glorious Resurrection and I can assure you, there is no depression to be found in the body of Christ.
I have already done that. I have been to an Orthodox Church. I even talk about it in the video. I find it to be a very depressing experience. Totally not the body of Christ for me.
@@OrthopraxChristianity What church did you go to? I have been to many and even the not so popular ones are amazing
@@hammerface1682 The last ones that I have visited were all in Belgrade. Two in Kalemegdan and the Church of Saint Sava. You would probably like all three of these churches, especially the Church of Saint Sava. For me, spirituality is important and a temple should guide people towards spirituality. Look around Belgrade, it's a very immoral city. They are not living in accordance to the Bible.
@@OrthopraxChristianity Did u ever confessed and do you fast acording to ortodox church?
Are you guys orthadox
It's hilarious how you don't understand at all what Orthodoxy even is
Alright then, go ahead an explain what "Orthodoxy" is.
@@OrthopraxChristianity Silence, weeping and prayer are things from God, look at the old testament prophets they like today hermits go to desert for Christ. I do have here in church priest talking homilies and interpeting the bible on sunday liturgy. Anyways i can still call you brother in Christ and may God bless you.
@@xeniatai6140 Well it is about Jesus. What the problem?
@@OrthopraxChristianity
"To be orthodox means to have Christ constantly in your soul, to live in him, think in him, feel in him, act in him. In other word, to be an Orthodox means to be a Christ bearer and a Spirit bearer."
- St. Justin Popovich
@@Nyxkepler So be good, do good?
Im praying for you brother. This is sad
It truly is. hes very lost. i read that he supported hinduism as well. Pray for him.
Icons are painted as normal faces to include however you’re feeling when you’re praying in-front of them. I mean imagine a smiling icon when you’re crying.
You say it's depressing, to me it gives me happiness
I'm happy that it works for you.
@Orthoprax Christianity Its not depressing at all, re-join god’s relams you aren’t support to worship icons they are just to show you how god looked like,if you say orthodox depressing see catholic mary icons they always crying even jesus is scary there,sad for you to leaving our religon for icon being depressing.
@@OrthopraxChristianity and god form us out of his image,if you say he depressing,your also depressing.
same
I feel joy in most of the orthodox churches. Like most people do. ruclips.net/user/shortsT2mEVM9lOU0
You seem to be depressing, not the orthodox
It is not about smiling paintings, it is about faith, it is about opening your heart to the Christ, going to church every weekend and listening priests while they read Holy Scripture and sing, Fasting, Praying, Repenting.. This is something you need to experience. God bless you.
Yesterday I was with my spiritual father I have problems..
And when I go back to my home I was so happy so calm and relieved...
It is a very blessed filling that only Orthodox the real truth can give you.
I hope some day you find the truth.
Love from Greece ❤️
That's nice to hear.
They are not depressing there beautiful and peace
They don’t look too joy filled.
This is rude and not true
The person is right ,the orthodoxy doesn't preach and doesn't have answers for most things and leaves it to mysticism!
Bruh the three headed Jesus is a menophsiyte heretical icon
In our country they are called selase they are father,son,and holy spirit
@@antenehandualem4414But only Jesus has the nature of a man. So we cant depict neither the father nor the Holy Spirit as humans.
I NEVER SAW THAT BEFORE IN MY ORTHODOX LIFE. SO WEIRD. I BET HE MADE IT AND NOW TRIES TO FIND FAULT WITH OUR CHURCH
nope, its an old georgian one and it is banned by cannons@@1985LISS
Yeah you never see those in Orthodoxy, so i can tell hes quite uneducated.
You seem to be in bad faith so everything looks super depressing to you.
If a few icons and one priest is why you left the faith and dislike it, then I'm afraid the problem lies with you.
No, I'm not in bad faith at all. I just dislike Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and Protestantism because they condemn others to hell who don't belong to their specific denomination and subscribes to their beliefs. At the same time, they aren't teaching either anything or anything useful.
@@OrthopraxChristianity that's a logical fallacy. A few guys condemning someone does not mean that the entire religion is false, that's just ridicilous. And there's a lot of useful things, but again, cognitive dissonance and bad faith is strong here.
@@madcyborg1822 I'm Christian myself. So yeah, I agree, there is a lot of useful things in Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and Protestantism.
@@OrthopraxChristianity ☦️ is the truth.
@@OrthopraxChristianity you’re a Protestant
It is not Ortodoxy that is depresing it is YOU!
I pray for your forgiveness, may god bless you! ☦️
Orthodoxy isn’t depressing at all! You picked the most serious looking icons, lol! Orthodoxy is the true body of Christ and finding it has brought me so much joy and goodwill. I’m a much better person than I used to be, because the church helps me worship God better. I’m sorry you feel this way and I’ll pray for you.
It sounds wonderful how it worked for you.
They are not depressing, not serious ....they are transfigured. Not like catholic sentimental naturalistic puctures. Byzantine iconography is a revelation from another world
Brother the problem is with you not with the church.please pray and reconcile with god
Explain.
@@OrthopraxChristianity Brother, I suggest give 5 minutes to Jesus Christ: get on your knees and humbly ask Him to show you the beauty of orthodoxy. Don’t let your faith die because of a bad experience. Please give updates! God bless you!
@@OrthopraxChristianity may biden lose,russia WILL win
Ofcourse there is problem with church also. Nothing built up by mere men is holy nor perfect.
As a Catholic, every denomination, even mine, has flaws. You can’t find one that’s perfect. I respect my Orthodox brothers and sisters ✝️🤝☦️
I respect that.
I have been to so many Orthodox Christian churches as an Orthodox. They are all beautiful. Also, are you trying to say that because they “look depressed” that the religion is bad? They do not look depressed just because they are frowning. They look at peace.
It actually makes my heart warm and reminds me how beautiful Orthodox Christianity is 🙏☦🙏
yeah
na you tripped mud
So do you just assume someone is depressed in a photo because they are not smiling? Some icons do have smiles, but most icons have a neutral face expression that CAN look depressing, if you wish to view as depressing. It really comes down to how your mind is thinking when looking at them.
No, but this is a short video. If you want me to explain it in detail, check out my "What Is Orthodoxy and Orthopraxy?" video: ruclips.net/video/XaBG9C8s3oM/видео.html.
Better than Protestantism
I’m Catholic and I back my Orthodox brothers, sisters and the beautiful art.
“Orthodox Christianity is depressing.”
“Why?”
“Because the figures in the icons aren’t smiling!”
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That's a good start! Now look into their teachings.
@@OrthopraxChristianity What good start?
@@presupping4eva The icons are a good start. Next, check their teachings.
@@OrthopraxChristianity I am familiar with their teachings. I am soon converting to Orthodoxy.
@@presupping4eva Well, alright then. That sounds good. It's better than being an atheist. You might want to check out orthopraxy: ruclips.net/video/6GSXnyDCD8Y/видео.html
You must be born alive. I'm Roman Catholic but Greeks were the first Christians converts in the entire world. We owe EVERYTHING to Greek Orthodox Church and it's beautiful Art 🇬🇷☦️
Nonsense. Christ built one Church upon Peter and it was named the Catholic Church, and Peter had authority over it and was the first Roman pontiff. Jews were the first converts. And there were many gentile converts besides greeks in the time of the apostles. Paul's letter to the Romans was written to the church of Rome. The book of Acts of Apostles mentions Cornelius a centurion of an Italian legion who converted with his family and friends. The Catholic religion was inculturated by all the ethnic groups that converted to it. There was no Orthodox church until after the greek schism. And there is not only one Orthodox church but seventeen separate ones. The Orthodox churches are schismatic and heretical.
@@anthonypuccetti8779Hello my friend I hope all is well. First off I’d like to say that the “seventeen churches” saying are just the synods that are united under Communion with each other. These synods are successors of the Apostles/Bishops who died and controlled the area. These Bishops are indeed equals and under Christ the High Bishop, St. Peter’s synod also knows as the Patriarchate of Rome was in the time the “First Among Equals” though not superior to the other Bishops in the Roman Empire. Like the Orthodox Catholic Church today we see the successors of the Apostles all under the Authority of Christ so therefore they are one. The Orthodox Catholic Church works in the same way it worked in the Apostolic Period. It was when the Roman Patriarchate decided to leave and become schismatic in 1054 over Roman Legitimacy Between the Holy Roman Empire and the Eastern Roman Empire. Because of that the Roman Church decided to leave caused massive change within the Roman Church, now onto heresies. The most notable heresies in the Roman Church is the Filioque which has changed the equality of the Holy Trinity to have two causes instead of the one needed cause for equal Authority and Submission which we see in the Church today, Papal Supremacy is recent heresy that was added in 1870 to further the “Papal Primacy” This leads the Roman Church to suffer from Popes who have had heresy spread like Pope Honorius.
@@anthonypuccetti8779 Peter was the first archbishop of antioch.
@@makbros1069 Antioch was never called the See of Peter, it never had primacy over the Church after Peter left, and it was taken over by heretics and Muslims and doesn't exist anymore.
@@anthonypuccetti8779opinion rejected. You started sentence with "nonsence". Agree or dissagree that's up to you. But if you start sentence with "nonsence" you discredited yourself at the beggining.
Eastern Orthodoxy for me is more exciting and joyful than the Latin Church or any Protestant Church!
They don't look depressed, they look calm. Chill out dude 😂
It’s not depressing… when you get into the ascetic spiritual prayer life SERIOUSLY, you will MOURN but it becomes JOYFUL mourning
Yes, that's just the problem: people talking about "joyful mourning". Christianity is a difficult religion. I will give you that, but once you understand it, there is no reason to feel anything negative anymore.
@@OrthopraxChristianity You are totally lost.
@@GreekOrthodox7 Explain. Claims, accusations, whatever, without facts (or at least a logical explanation to back it) means nothing.
@@OrthopraxChristianity blah blah blah. You run away when people point out your errors
"But the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he knows their day is coming"
Amen
Amen
Amen
Who is this man as an orthodox Christian the icons aren’t supposed to be smiling it is a sign of being at peace and humble this guy is talking out his ass
Those icons are beautiful beyond beauty, and I'm not even Orthodox. I feel so sorry for you that you cannot see it.
When I enter the Orthodox church, I feel abnormal peace. Also their bells and liturgies are medicine for ears. Everything about Orthodox church is just too beautiful and it's pure love.
It's very nice to hear that you are having such a wonderful experience with Orthodoxy.
Oh yes, really satisfies your senses and makes you feel good. Sounds like the hyper charismatic church with all their smoke machines and light effects.
The best churches I’ve ever been to have been the poorest churches. No gold laid pictures or icons. No fancy wafers or wine. No priest with special uniform. No nice music equipment. Terrible sound system. Old broken seats. No heater or AC. They had what they had and were so happy.
I've been Orthodox for over 40 years and I don't find the Holy Icons at all depressing. What does this person want? Big smiles? They are both solemn and peaceful.
Sorry you had a bad experience brother. I’m our Orthodox home, we read scripture, and the writings of the saints daily. And my priest gives a 10-20 minute sermon every time the Divine Liturgy is celebrated.
That's wonderful brother.
Its humility and being at peace with yourself. Total devotion to peace and to ways of our Lord Jesus Christ. It might seem depressing but you’ll realize what it truly means when you explore it spiritually further.
LORD, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me bring love.
Where there is offence, let me bring pardon.
Where there is discord, let me bring union.
Where there is error, let me bring truth.
Where there is doubt, let me bring faith.
Where there is despair, let me bring hope.
Where there is darkness, let me bring Your light.
Where there is sadness, let me bring joy.
O LORD, grant that I may not so much seek to be consoled as to console, to be understood as to understand, to be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that one receives,
it is in self-forgetting that one finds,
it is in forgiving that one is forgiven,
and it is in dying that one awakens to eternal life...
♥️
I want to start out by saying that I can sympathize with what you are saying. I grew up going to an Orthodox Church and attended one my whole life and the church is severely lacking in education. The Orthodox Church’s liturgy, scriptures, and theology are so deep and require some explanation in order to understand and even to benefit from them properly. I also saw that most people in the churches around me knew nothing about their faith. Most treated it as an ethnic-social club.
I was influenced by Protestantism and started attending both an Orthodox and Protestant church (they called themselves “non-denominational” though). After some serious study and prayer I concluded that the purest and most true form of Christianity is Orthodoxy. Needless to stay I never attended another non-Orthodox church again.
The Saints are our teachers and many of their writings have been translated for all to read. You can’t judge Orthodoxy by it’s people or it’s lack of education. You must judge Orthodoxy by what defines it: it’s history, councils, and saints. Study the commentaries of the church fathers and you’ll see that their explanations of scripture is far deeper and truer than any other denomination’s interpretation. Don’t be led away from the true church because some of its attendants don’t take it seriously. It is true gold that takes some effort to uncover and many born into it take it for granted.
Well, I appreciate your honesty and I like that you are an Orthodox Christian who knows at least somethings about Christianity (or Orthodox Christianity).
The authority is God’s word the Bible
@@dawn2508 1 Timothy 3:15 - ...the house of God, which is the church of the living God, ***the pillar and ground of the truth.***
Christ left us a church not a bible. The Church birthed the bible.
Orthodox catechumen from Anglican
The freedom and joy I’ve found from converting I cannot fully express
Glory to God
Good for you brother!
you never have been orthodox
From a protestant, I’ve understood the icons are suppose to look “plain” not unhappy. They are meant to leave the beauty to God and not focus on outward things.
I love being an Orthodox Christian. Holy week especially, my favorite services all year, i do my best to make it too all of then after work during Holy week
It is evident that this man has a very surface level understanding of Christianity and of the Church established by Jesus Christ, preached by His apostles, and preserved by the fathers. Please pray for him that the Lord may enlighten his darkened mind and soul. ☦️❤️☦️
If you are going to bother with writing a message, why not explain what I'm wrong about?
@@OrthopraxChristianityThe icon you used at the end is a heretical icon that Orthodoxy doesnt support.
If you want to criticize a religion, first, learn about it. not all priests want money, most of them do preach. my priest preached the Bible in my Church.
They're supposed to be emotionless. We paint them with this emotional less face because they're called windows into heaven. And since we cannot depict someone holy with the emotion we presume, we make them emotional less
It’s depressing and Jesus was not emotionless
OUR PRIEST HAD TOLD US THAT THE WAY THEY LOOK IS TO SHOW THE BEAUTY OF THEIR GOOD SOULS RATHER THAN THE LOOKS OF THEIR PHYSICAL LOOKS
The Saints in the icons don’t look depressed, they look to be at peace with themselves.
And just because you had a alleged bad Parish when you were growing up doesn’t mean all Orthodox Churches are bad
One thing I think this gets quite right, in general the Orthodox churches have a bad record when it comes to independence from political power and fulfilling the spiritual need of their faithful vs the interests of the states (I'm not saying the Christian denominations in the west are so very superior or have much moral high ground, they learnt the lesson only after many centuries of violence, intolerance and hate: but in the end we learned).
For example after Peter the Great the Russian Orthodox church was turned into little more than a subservient branch of the autocracy. They preached obedience, silence, loyalty to the State as much as they preached the Christian message (which can be interpreted as contrary to that).
And as we can see today in the context of the war of aggression against Ukraine, this abject submission continues today still.
That explains why there was such a proliferation of sects in 19th century Russia: in a way they were the answer from the supply side of the spirituality market to the enormous demands of the Russian people which were not being met by the official religious institutions.
Bad attitude or bad priest either one doesn’t invalidate Orthodoxy, I used to be a Protestant and boyyy am I glad to be rid of Protestantism. I don’t know how your life was but I pray that God leads you to truth.
Peace
I am not orthodox, but catholic. The reason the icons are emotionless and don't look realistic is because they are not meant to depict how they looked but to serve as a window. For us to gaze upon. Christianity is at it's very core, hope.
I'm an Orthodox Christian ☦️ and I will tell you in orthodox "depression ; depressed.." it's a sin so the icons are not depressed cz it's a sin and icons aren't sin
"I preach Christ crucified" - St. Paul. As a Catholic we could use more solemnity. These icons don't represent depression.
Its not about showing something we like , ita about showing truth
I’m from Southern AK. Our place is rich with Russian Orthodoxy, beautiful paintings and beautiful images.
Good ol graven images everywhere, huh?
@@mikebastiat *Icons aren't necessarily graven images. They are windows into heaven, as one priest nicely put it.*
Attending Liturgy gives me more joy than I can even describe.
Pray for this man. Orthodox icons do not represent sadness or depression, they represent peace and no emotion. Another thing is that the life of an orthodox christian is not all about rainbows and flowers, there must also be suffering and hardship, we must go trough. Also I think orthodox icons and architecture are absolutely beautiful and you shouldn't go away from it just because you don't like a little part of the whole religion. Btw I think that the icon of Jesus with 3 heads is heretical.
That is actually silence. Orthodox fathers said that silence, prayer and weeping are ways of God.
When you read the Gospel, I bet you don't even smile.
These images break the 2nd commandment.
Christ said "Take up your cross and follow me"and also "I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one's foes will be members of one's own household". The true christian life is that of longsuffering and struggle, not that of bliss and earthly prosperity. The icons reflect the orthodox phronema and the lives of our saints. This does not mean that joy isn't a part of a christian life, but it's not our north, we don't pursue happiness, we pursue deification (theosis).
That sounds to me like the proper Orthodox Christian explanation. You have quoted a few verses from Matthew 10. Jews were expecting the Messiah to come and rescue them from Roman occupation, but with Jesus they got much of the opposite of what they were expecting. It was not yet time. The disciples were expecting to become princes but Jesus was in fact telling them that they will be persecuted instead. That is also what is happening (or will happen) to us, but we must overcome it.
Sorry that it didnt have the best experience for you. Personally it brought me back into my faith after being Atheistic/Agnostic majority of my life. Its teachings has answered all my doubts and questions and I think is the most beautiful church. I hope one day you can give Orthodox another chance.
I'm glad that it worked for you.
Orthodox icons always look so depressed and it always makes me feel uneasy
I was once in a small church in Belgrade (Kalemegdan to be specific). I saw a version of Mary with baby Jesus and it freaked me out. The third hand was black. It was so weird looking. I was like 🫨.
they are looking sad because we have sinned against the Lord, orthodox is not depressing!
The face is not the main point of the icon. The main point is to present what is happening in the icon itself
I don’t know what orthodox churches you went to, and what do you want from the icons, to smile?
I have been to a number of Orthodox Churches. There is literally almost nothing that I like about them. I don't like the whole denomination. I don't like what they teach. Everything about Orthodox Christianity is so damn depressing. What I want is to show people what actual, authentic Christianity is all about.
@@OrthopraxChristianity you do realize that the Orthodox are the authentic Christian church? We have the same practices since be basically started to exist as a branch of Christianity. It is fine if you feel that Orthodoxy is not for you, there are always the Catholics.
@@OrthopraxChristianity The icons may not smile, but when you go to a Orthodox Church compared to a Catholic, you will realize the power and pride of being an Orthodox. If the churches in Serbia may not fit you, there are others. Here in Moldova, people always smile when going to church. If none of the Orthodox churches fit you, then feel free to try any other branch of Christianity or religion, I am simply an advisor in helping you find happiness in whatever religion you want.
@@BalkanVlach Thank you. I like the way you think.
@@OrthopraxChristianity”authentic Christianity” you arent very authentic in ur Christianity if you use vulgar words and mock brothers of The Faith.
Appreciate your perspective. The orthodox priest I spoke w/ in US was very biblically literate but thanks for the perspective
Here's someone who graduated from McDonald's parking lot.
The icon with the third
hand lies with Saint named John of Damascus. He got his hand cut off by a ruler because of false news. He went infront of an icon of the mother of God and asked for her to heal it. She did and then, he added another arm to the icon and called it 'triherouchitsa' or the one with three hands.
John of Damascus
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_of_Damascus
I heard somebody say they paint with neutral expression. And when you pray the neutral expression is a template for the prayer that changes with your conversation to the one your praying too. So for example before I was orthodox I got the Amazon smiling Jesus. And it was weird to pray to that icon when my son had cancer. So I think they go for neutral so it’s joy when I need joy and grief when I need grief. The Holy Spirit makes glad the sorrowful heart but the cross is also suffering an too deny oneself and accept the huge responsibility of Christianity.
Absolutely agree!
As a Orthodox Christian I can surely say that this is pure lies,the presbyters or pope's are the wisest,yeah sure some can be sinful and awful but that's a low chance,our pope's are amongst the wisest of the people on the planet,and icons aren't sad, they're at peace,and the Church is colorful filled with singing and joy, especially when the festival of the Church holiday starts,it's filled with carnival rides,of course not the Church but the yard,it's not bad like he said
Well, they may be sad because of the evil of the world that killed Jesus.
That makes sense.
If you actually new something about orthodox Christianity you would know that chanting that happens inside the church is speaking the gospel.
All Christians should unite against this wicked world.
No Orthodox and Romeo Catholics... Church cannot connect again .
I couldn’t help but to shake my head at this.. I will pray for you!
They're not necessarily frowning and they don't do it to collect money. It's because they show true love to God.
I heard that the icons are painted that way to show the hard Christian struggle in this world.
That’s a nice explanation.
Is this ... satire?
Sounds like my neoprotestant acquaintances.
Nope. I mean, just look at the icons. It's super depressing. I have always disliked Orthodox Christianity.
@@OrthopraxChristianity the aesthetic needs a certain getting used to. They are not depressing, just serious.
The money hungry preachers are nothing new. Just look at the neoprotestant prosperity preachers, they have no shame! But at least the orthodox have some sound doctrines, even the lousy ones can say a few truths once in a while, and there are some saintly ones, too.
Anyway, thank you for your honesty.
@@OrthopraxChristianity It's not that it's depressing.
You're simply a depressed kid with no direction in life, with excessive and childish addiction to dopamine. That's your problem, ultimately, and you should see a quack about it.
@@OrthopraxChristianity maybe it's because you hate what's true.
@@user-pw1rr2vm8band the icons are true? Borderline idolatrt
In Orthodox Church It is believed that icons should not look phisically appealing,since they are not meant for satisfying an eye but about finding inner peace and faith through icons.
I have been Orthodox for 5 years. Nothing has ever brought me greater joy.
they arent depressed??? they're supposed to have a calm look on their face idk what youre seeing
Laughable.
Facts
I agree.
The most depressing thing about being a Christian is all those God has not ordained you to reach. Much love from a Protestant. You are fighting the good fight.
What concerns me is that these icons are “two way windows into heaven.” Meaning, while you’re looking into an icon, you are actually seeing the person depicted AND SOMEONE IS WATCHING YOU TOO.